you can keep block up for like 50 seconds straight
#protection
steel mauve
lusty grotto
its the person behind the keyboard
neat harbor
how is it a personal problem when its literally impossible to keep it up indefinitely
lusty grotto
keeping sb up should be something you do well
neat harbor
wtf are you saying
lusty grotto
do you not have Bolster?
steel mauve
and theres a minor gap untilm the next rotation
lusty grotto
wtf?
neat harbor
theres always a gap.
neat harbor
I think youre full of shit tbh
lusty grotto
how are you having problems keepign any sort of blocking up with bolster?
neat harbor
because even with hero up, after 3 blocks? youre out son
and you ahve to use IP to cover yourself
lusty grotto
uhh......
chrome falcon
yeah nimchip you are 100% talking out your ass here LOL
steel mauve
uh fucking last stand
chrome falcon
you can't keep 100% uptime on shield block in m+
neat harbor
"last stand", lul
lusty grotto
we were talking about MYTHIC +
steel mauve
SB X 3 > last stand > SB X 3
neat harbor
using last stand as part of the rotation doesnt solve the issues
lusty grotto
last stand, please read your bolster talent
neat harbor
cause you only have it for one pack
lusty grotto
eranorz
steel mauve
with AM its up a lot lol
lusty grotto
AM reduces its cd
steel mauve
thats our entire kit
lusty grotto
🤷
neat harbor
sure, but doesnt solve the blocking problems
steel mauve
literally throw cd's out
chrome falcon
the entire reason prot is bad in m+ is that our mitigation isn't up for every pack
steel mauve
just to get em back up to use again very quickly
neat harbor
it helps, but doesnt solve it
lusty grotto
Please go back and read the Bolster talent @neat harbor
neat harbor
you dumb fuck I know it reduces the CD of last stand
and blocks
still doesnt solve the problems
lusty grotto
why don't we calm down a bit
neat harbor
and youre full of it if you think you can keep uptime on ShB at 100%
chrome falcon
Probably because you're talking to people like we're 5 year olds
neat harbor
and like the other guy said, talking out of your ass
lusty grotto
you can, in m+
chrome falcon
And you're wrong at the same time
neat harbor
thanks matta
chrome falcon
You absolutely literally 100% cannot
lusty grotto
plus you should have Demo up for a good deal
neat harbor
feels good to see reason triumph over idiocy
chrome falcon
If you could, prot would be good in m+
lusty grotto
how can you not?
chrome falcon
Because you can't
lusty grotto
does trash last 2 hours for you guys?
chrome falcon
Please link me your raider.io page to show me how good you are at having literally 100% uptime on blocking
neat harbor
but anyways, as a BrM (my alt), 100% uptime on mitigation is literally braindead.
like its not even a chore, its the most braindead shit in the world
lusty grotto
shrug?
neat harbor
because the ironskin brew duration, STACKS with itself now
stone crag
no one is argueing that
rugged plinth
Actually never mind
neat harbor
imagine if you could shield block twice and it just added to the duration
rugged plinth
but apparently haste soft cap is somehwere around 30%
neat harbor
thats ironskin brew, except with 100% uptime
rugged plinth
i dont want ot test it too much
steel mauve
there arent any haste caps
chrome falcon
@neat harbor uh... that's how shield block works...
lusty grotto
i guess its hard to press LS when you have a gap on SB.
rugged plinth
I said soft cap
stone crag
there are no soft caps
rugged plinth
?
rugged plinth
There are most definitely soft caps
stone crag
wrong
steel mauve
nope, none
chrome falcon
@lusty grotto dude please just stop you are so insanely incorrect
steel mauve
not for warriors any ways
chrome falcon
if you are actually good at m+ you are constantly pulling new shit
you don't have time to regen SB uptime
lusty grotto
nah you two don't get that you SB only on melee damage, that might be why you apparently have abysmal uptime on blocked damage
neat harbor
Nim you are dumb son, you get meleed and casted on all the time
rugged plinth
I will chime in and say 100% sb uptime is probably wrong
chrome falcon
no because you know you're wrong
because you're fucking garbage
you probably haven't timed a 10
lusty grotto
nobody did say 100% sb actually
lusty grotto
feel free to link it
neat harbor
and before I forget, thats another big problem with shield block, is that its only useful situationally as our core mitigation.
back when IP was actually good, it wasnt an issue
and we could actually enjoy having two types of mitigation
lusty grotto
ctrl+shift+s and then paste works
neat harbor
now that IP is shit, we just get shredded by magic damage all the time
rugged plinth
Please link me your raider.io page to show me how good you are at having literally 100% uptime on blocking
@lusty grotto
someone said that
lusty grotto
............
steel mauve
he actually didnt, you guys did kind of put wordsinto his mouth and then ran with it
chrome falcon
I was the one who said that not him lol
neat harbor
hes talking out his ass hes probably done like a +6
lusty grotto
yea that was Mattacate
steel mauve
ya, you guys said it not him lol
rugged plinth
Ah my b
chrome falcon
But my point stands that until you link your raider.io you have no idea how keys work and are garbage
round vortex
I’m fairly sure this guy did say u can keep it up 100% in M+
neat harbor
He probably did a +7 last week and is here giving us all advice on how our mitigation is fine
chrome falcon
Yeah whatever dude you didn't say literally 100% you got me
steel mauve
nope
rugged plinth
@round vortex i am too but i dont wanna argue
chrome falcon
Your point was still that you should have SB up all the time which is not reality
neat harbor
because youre making false statements
rugged plinth
me either 😦
neat harbor
and being condescending even though you are fucking clueless
rugged plinth
Comparing PvE Epeens
lusty grotto
literally going out of their way to invalidate any points with e-peen
neat harbor
is why
chrome falcon
Because you're talking like you have any idea how to play, when you don't
steel mauve
he only asked how you have trouble keeping some thing up which isnt difficult to keep up, not really his fault you guys misinterpreted it
chrome falcon
Nim, when every conversation you have here turns into a raging shitfest where everyone is trashing you
It might be worth thinking about why that is happening
round vortex
lusty grotto
uh huh
lusty grotto
oh damn
hallow kestrel
Is there a relatively easy to use resource that will generate stat weights for prot? Cursory glances show it's generally just dps stat weights available.
neat harbor
TLDR: if you dont know what youre talking about please dont spread misinformation, its detrimental to balance discussions
lusty grotto
@hallow kestrel no
open bluff
question: if you're going to spend all your rage arguing over the internet, how are you going to be able to cast shield block in the first place
lusty grotto
you are not talking about balance, you are whining @neat harbor we have all heard it before
wooden radish
you can only sim for DPS but i don't know if prot warrior has a working simc module
steel mauve
@hallow kestrel no, we have no way of gaining stat weights, our priority is really simple though
open bluff
we dn't
chrome falcon
@open bluff this is why you always spec anger management
round vortex
Even though I don’t think Eranorz should not be talking to people how he is, the Nimchip guy has his facts wrong. But I think he’s enjoying defending it to someone who is triggered easily.
chrome falcon
side note, why isn't anger management baseline for every spec
everyone loves playing with it on every spec
steel mauve
@chrome falcon i wish they had made it a stat like they were talking about in legion i believe, it was going to be on gear iirc and would be available to every spec
hallow kestrel
Sure, it's simple, but rings and ilvl >:| is it worth taking a ~75 haste hit for the stam upgrade on 20 ilvls worth of a ring?
chrome falcon
yeah
steel mauve
20 ilvls is an upgrade on rings unless socket
the only time you really want to be concerned about ring upgrades is 10 ilvls at max and some argue thats still an upgrade
upbeat folio
What's the necrotic buff name?
hallow kestrel
word. Thanks for the input all.
upbeat folio
*debuff
stone crag
10 seconds
rugged plinth
So can anyone explain why 40 haste at 17.5% is a .53% increase but with max ITF 40 haste is a .61% increase?
hot locust
It's not just about the stamina, you gain more total secondary stats as well unless like ironkuting said and you have a socket on the lower piece.
stone crag
oh, name
upbeat folio
tyty
cosmic pasture
hey guys, any idea why .io isn't showing up on my alt?
steel mauve
i usually think of 10ilvl upgrades on rings as upgrade unless im just going from a real shit itemized ring to bis
chrome falcon
it's so tilting that LS doesn't heal us through necrotic anymore
typical blizzard making a "clarity" change and actually nerfing us a lot for affixes in the process
cosmic pasture
blockade ^^
keen spire
hey guys, sorry - I've been at work all day, so I apologize if this has been asked and answered a thousand times already, but did anything change today with the updates? A rogue friend of mine said he got fucked by the changes today, so I'm wondering if prot had any changes I should know of..
steel mauve
@rugged plinth ITS doesnt scale linearly if im thinking about that wording correctly
ITF
cosmic pasture
a trait got buffed, that's about it
steel mauve
some one can probably explain it beter but it has to do with math i think
keen spire
what was the trait?
cosmic pasture
Rienforced plating
chrome falcon
reinforced plating buffed by 10%
hot locust
ITF scales your total haste up. so if you have 0 haste ITF takes 100 x 1.15 (assuming ITF is stacked to 15%) and if you have 20% haste it takes 120 x 1.15.
chrome falcon
it's still worthless garbage that you shouldn't take
hot locust
in this case it actually gave you 18% haste instead of 15%
steel mauve
basically the more haste you have, the better ITF actually gets
rugged plinth
Worth losing DC and going to RP 15 level upgrade for raids?
terse iron
i thought it was a falt 15%? seems that way on my car sheet
rugged plinth
Though so
hot locust
Definitely not.
steel mauve
nope
lusty grotto
right
steel mauve
i have 16% haste and when i have 5 stacks im at 33% haste
terse iron
where do these numbers come from / go ? i when i stand next to people and turn it on my haste goes up exactly 15%
hot locust
What's your haste at normally?
steel mauve
how much haste do you have?
terse iron
13%
hot locust
It's giving you 16.95% then.
and you should see either 129 or 130% on your sheet with 5 stacks.
stone crag
in what context
keen spire
assuming you lose 2 haste if you take 3 mastery, and vice versa, I'd go with the 2 haste, personally
stone crag
i mean in what pieces of gear, trinkets, rings, what
rugged plinth
just rings
steel mauve
same ilvl go with haste
rugged plinth
Yea i dont think ilvl matters too much ESPECIALLY on rings
steel mauve
ilvl matters a lot
stone crag
definitely does
stone crag
maybe not as much on rings, but it still matters
steel mauve
same ilvl only use the stat priority
rings are the only exception, and thats only a 5-10 personal preference but i still choose 10 ilvls upgrade
rugged plinth
So you would really use for example a 360 crit/vers ring over 350 haste/mastery ring?
is the 1k hp from stam that big of a difference
steel mauve
- the secondaries, we need to think more about total stat budget over just specific secondaries
stone crag
not just about stam either, it's about how much of each stat is gained from the ilevel increase
steel mauve
stam+secondary+ secondary = total
rugged plinth
Is there a way i can link my char and you can see whats in my bags?
steel mauve
our stats are very close together in terms of performance, and this expac so far secondaries arent as impactful as they have been in the past
terse iron
can do /simc and use that string in compare gear in raidbots
stone crag
nope
uneven mason
can't sim defensively
steel mauve
they arent asking to sim
terse iron
but you can see the items he has
steel mauve
hes asking if he can show us his gear
steel mauve
to be fair
asking about sims and stat weights and pawn strings 700,000 times a day takes its toll
we go into auto mode
keen spire
Yo I got this 360 WF axe off a raccoon - Kelada's Elucidation.. and I know we wanna prioritize ilvl and shit, but like.. my 340 weapon isn't that far off and has haste/vers, vs Crit/Mast on the axe... I hate that I already know the answer to this question, but is there any chance that my 340 should stay equipped and I could just sell the damn axe and make a few hundred k?
keen spire
like 20 ilvls.. orrrrr a couple wow tokens... lol
steel mauve
and you know the week you equip it youll get one
keen spire
exactly..
uneven mason
I'd tell my raidleader that I'll equip the axe if they pay for my sub for 2 months
keen spire
I am the raid leader 😦
wheat bronze
Still applies
uneven mason
Won't be hard to make that deal
wheat bronze
Equip and buy 2 months for yourself
keen spire
Hhahahaha
terse iron
"Yo I got this 360 WF axe off a raccoon"
Lol i read that as that mexican guy from antman with the stories
neon tangle
Just be semi-lucky and semi-unlucky like me
misty citrus
Just got a 370 Lingering Sporepods, thoughts on whether or not to use that over a 360 syringe?
neon tangle
Get the crit axe off of fetid
steel mauve
spore is garbage, idk about syringe but its most likely better
keen spire
Yo dudes
you know how we block shit?
but then we've got parry and dodge
but like.. our main shit is blocking
well.. how do druids do anything
keen spire
bur.
keen spire
See ya guys, Imma be bur.
uneven mason
I hope you like licking drywall or watching plants grow...from seed, without blinking
Both hold more entertainment
than Guardian
keen spire
Nah forreal though, I was over in the guardian druid discord for a second and I asked them, for shits and giggles, how they'd rank guardian vs prot, and I got an overwhelming response that was like "Prot is terrible - we're not the greatest, but prot is worse)
uneven mason
Because bear is what you play
keen spire
I thought that was funny.. so... Skyhold.. why are we better than a fuckin bur?
uneven mason
when you can't understand planning ahead
keen spire
xD
uneven mason
Because we're more entertaining than calorie free tofu
midnight citrus
Question about gear: Got 370 shoulders from weekly chest but the azerite traits are shit. I'd lose deafening crash upgrading from my 340 shoulders. My helm is like 370 BIS traits and my chest is 355 BIS traits. I could go with a 340 chest to get deafening crash back but is it worth it? I really depend on deafening crash in higher M+ keys so don't want to lose it but this just doesn't feel like an upgrade despite 30 ilvl
keen spire
except everyone with soy allergies
sick sentinel
@midnight citrus the general consensus here is that DC is worth 25 ilvls
twin hazel
but if you can always switch it in and out as needed if you think you need that DC trait
sick sentinel
so replacing a 340 DC with a 370 Iron Fortress or BfI SHOULD be a net gain in survivability
I do not know about Bloodspout I have never used it
terse iron
bloodsport my fav trait atm
terse iron
have a 60k absorb up for majority of dungeon is great
twin hazel
still shit
keen spire
why is it shit, guys?
I feel like you have strong feelings about this
I'd love to know more
uneven mason
its measurable impact on our survivability is considerably smaller than the other traits
there is a reason why that crappy Revenge one is above it
which requires you to USE REVENGE
sick sentinel
I use revenge a lot to dump rage for AM
after I have SB on CD and almost capped IP
fair brook
So, ya... our guild OT has a funeral to go to, so I was volunteered into being OT. I really play arms 90%.... this prot thing, I glanced at guides a quick bit, rotate some demo, ip, ls, sw, keep block up as much as I can and pray? We’re doing a quick N uldir to get my feet wet. Any Clippy advice?
terse iron
I dont have rage for revenge as keep my IP rolling since stacked bloodsprot because of the gear i have. works well with way i play
twin hazel
ummm youre gonna have a hard time voltz
keen spire
Don't layer SB with Last Stand
sick sentinel
since I got the IP tracker weak aura I found myself using IP more
keen spire
(like don't hit them at the same time)
winter skiff
how do i copy from pasted?
the pasted source code is super long
ddo i have to drag and copy??
royal oasis
Overwhelming power over strength in numbers?
sick sentinel
ctrl-a selects all
keen spire
ctrl+a
steep lily
Rip me, 380 Servant Splitter out of chest, is it even worth using over a 370 weapon with crit/vers?
terse iron
Strength in numbers imo, the hp can be a good buffer
keen spire
you're welcome
royal oasis
Figured, the damage taken dropping stacks doesnt seem all that great
sick sentinel
in necrotic week it is worth IMO because you can put bleed and kite
terse iron
you dont need the hp from SIN on bosses anyway as trash is our biggest issue in terms of survival
steel mauve
@fair brook i suggest also looking at the spell reflect or blockables list in the guide to see what to use spell reflect on, but keep demo shout on cd, if you have dc trait you should always keep extending it with tclap weaving
dont over ride bolster with sshield block
or vice versa
fair brook
I have 2 DC, I’ll keep an eye on that, ty
sick sentinel
you should have only 1 DC
steel mauve
demo shout has half the cd on avatar
sick sentinel
it does not stack
fair brook
Oh
steel mauve
so you can always avatar + demo, then demo, then ava + demo
strong sequoia
Anyone have a list of Azerite trait order for prot that’s up to date? I can’t seem to find one nor a sticky.
steel mauve
icyveins is fairly up to date
sick sentinel
DC> BfI> IF
strong sequoia
Thanks. Isn’t icy veins from launch tho?
strong sequoia
Hmm cool
steel mauve
idk if theyve updated actual numbers with the uldir trait but the rest should be
keen spire
I actually hate Brace for Impact
not gonna lie
I think it's like.. the shittiest fuckin azerite trait
sick sentinel
Brace is my favourite trait for single target
neat harbor
@steel mauve "our stats are very close together in terms of performance, and this expac so far secondaries arent as impactful as they have been in the past" Interesting. I may have given too much value to haste+mastery with my tank set if this is the case. would you still rate for instance, something 10ilvls higher with crit vers over something with haste mastery 10 ilvls lower?
keen spire
I mean I know, numbers-wise, it's great, but I don't like it.
midnight citrus
Out of these 4, which would be the best combo?
steel mauve
yes easily
steel mauve
on armor ilvl ALWAYS wins, even 5 ilvls wins on armor piecesz the only circumstances are sockets, trinkets, rings and possibly weapons @neat harbor rings i would itemize 5 ilvls, and 10 ilvls would be an upgrade for me personally
sick sentinel
do you have DC on any other piece?
steel mauve
shields ilvl are always an upgrade due to the block on it
midnight citrus
No just that chest
twin hazel
Brace Chest + DC Shoulder
midnight citrus
I do on a helm too but a 340 and currently have 370 BIS traits otherwise in helm
sick sentinel
shoulder?>
winter skiff
how do u bring up evilui?
keen spire
/elvui
midnight citrus
no just the 340 shoulders in the pic
keen spire
@winter skiff it's "E L V" not "E V I L"
midnight citrus
it's whether to upgrade them to the 370s then downgrade chest to 340, or just go 355 and 340 and keep all good traits
sick sentinel
got with 2nd and 4rth IMO
winter skiff
weird doesnt come up for me
undone hollow
Gah. Cant decide on which tank class
winter skiff
maybe i didnt download the add? but i added all diff evlui ones
midnight citrus
@undone hollow wrong forum you're looking for the monk or dk discord
quaint kiln
alt+f4 @winter skiff
keen spire
@winter skiff If they don't show up in your addons menu, you won't be able to give commands for it
steel mauve
youll know if you have elvui installed and can type /elvui
undone hollow
@midnight citrus Yeah. But I dont play no pansy ass leather wearer
winter skiff
but i do have it installed
undone hollow
Nor do I play a bad guy
winter skiff
what is the name of hte actually mod?
winter skiff
i got elvui shadow and light, extraactionbars
neat harbor
@steel mauve got it, thanks man
winter skiff
theres so many
keen spire
and download elvui there
midnight citrus
elvui shadow and light still requires elvui base
keen spire
you can't get elvui through curse/twitch
winter skiff
ohh
keen spire
😃
neat harbor
Im still using a 345 shield. havent gotten anything to drop from vectis/ghuun or anywhere else D:
quaint kiln
Elvui is like using the pre-installed OS with a Dell computer. You get it, and 80 other addons you'll never use
it's bloatware
keen spire
^incorrect
undone hollow
Im still using the base UI
sick sentinel
@neat harbor that was me for a log log while
keen spire
I use elvui to replace basically every other addon for UI stuff
sick sentinel
with a 340 shield doing 10s
quaint kiln
If you make your own UI, at least you understand how to use the addons
sick sentinel
just spam more M+ my dude
winter skiff
when i download it what i do now?
keen spire
you have to go to your wow folder, find the "Addons" folder, and copy the files into that folder
neat harbor
@sick sentinel haha yeah Ive actually got a 375 heroic one hander to go with my 345 shield. wish they were reversed
one of the few useful pieces Ive gotten from my M+ chest tbh
frosty wedge
LOL yeah end times is currently fucked.
sick sentinel
I am an EU boy, do we get anything good from timewalking?
neat harbor
just make sure you dont LFG it lol
terse iron
Norm uldir cache
frosty wedge
no no, endtimes is broken
terse iron
how so?
frosty wedge
sylvanas is super overtuned
junior ivy
someone just told me that too
frosty wedge
you basically have to lust to kill a ghoul
junior ivy
about end times
frosty wedge
there's posts up on reddit about it as well
also gear warforging in timewalking is coming in LOWER than normal timewalking gear, lol
uneven mason
So, is the direbrew trinket worth using atll?
frosty wedge
NA guinea pigs, lol
neat harbor
thoughts on Archive of titans vs. Brace for impact?
steel mauve
how buffed is the stats?
stone crag
should be 3 stacks or so, generally you want 1 reorigination array trait for uldir
hushed cobalt
how is the boe boot+shield combo? is there a ceiling on the price for it?
sick sentinel
thing is, do you use Archive outside of Uldir?
stiff gate
are any of the uldir traits actually worth using in m+?
obtuse venture
i dont think so. its the reorigination array that is actually good not the trait itself
best uldir trait is archive though
sick sentinel
I have a 355 archive, should I use that or 355 BFI in M+?
obtuse venture
bfi
spark mortar
Are folks more fond of "Shimmering Haven" or "Elemental Whirl" more?
steel mauve
i strongly dislike haven
spark mortar
Just because of the need to have to be glued somewhere or is it something else?
steel mauve
ya pretty much
steel mauve
cant always stay in one spot, except maybe in raids
its got good stats, i just personally dont like it
twin hazel
yah for certain affixes its bad
sanguine
quaking
necrotic
anything you have to move a lot for
its probly fine for volcanic, not too high movement for it
young iris
Legion legos like Mannoroth Bracers working in TW dungeons, boy do I miss actually self healing again. I dare say its actually.... fun?
sick sentinel
wait, they do?
young iris
YEAH MAN
sick sentinel
LOL
young iris
they get scaled down to 108 like everything else, currently doing 20% of my overall healing
subtle fable
Anyone try time walking yet? Just went in there and got destroyed lol
stone crag
i would actually like to see what i'm doing rather than use sco's UI
junior ivy
i did 4 TWs on my 118 druid healing and it was fine but i heard bad things about end times
young iris
@subtle fable use your legion legendaries
subtle fable
Ahh yeah was in end times
subtle fable
Legos would help, didn't think of that - thanks!
twin hazel
Mr. Pokesduhbear
twin hazel
did you call him daddy
candid cove
Didn't get the chance.
3 seconds after the platform broke I would die through cooldowns
Said sorry warrior problems and left the pug
fair brook
I'm trying to sort out some last moment gearing my first run as prot tonight. Does the block from IF stack? I'm thinking of running 1 DC and 2 IF, since I just learned DC's reduction doesnt stack
steel mauve
ya IF stacks
fair brook
ty
fair brook
Thoughts on 1 Dc, 1 IF, and 1 archive for doing uldir? I can swap the archive for another IF
ivory barn
man idk what to play now 333 ilvl and no one will accept me for anything
steel mauve
if you have been keeping up with boss kills i would probably do archive ovcer IF
ivory barn
my warrior is 342 but i dont want to make it a dps
neat harbor
@candid cove same, my group just wiped to baine as well. timewalking scaling feels broke AF atm.
he exploded your platform then everyone just melts to lava in 3 seconds
tried to heroic leap to another island
"No path available"
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
fair brook
Ahahaha. Saved from tanking tonight. Raid leader is making a feral go guardian because my dps is much higher than his. whew Not that I'd mind trying prot in raid, but I want more than 1 day to prepare since I"m new to it.
twin hazel
Bears are a lot less of a skill need too
he can just sit there and soak with his massive health pool
sick sentinel
yikes
candid cove
@neat harbor yeah, the one time i made it out of the lava he just came up on the platform and laughed at all my cds as he gets a 6kdps dot rolling on top of his melees
ember arrow
lusty grotto
gz lala
upbeat folio
I thought you couldn't get warforged/titanforged shields anymore?
steel mauve
i think they can WF just cant TF
upbeat folio
Did blizzard ever provide any rationale for that btw?
chilly brook
Well
I was gonna link my shield because I was happy to finally get it to drop but then @hot locust deflated my happiness
wimpy 370
steel mauve
i got the 370 of it from the cache, so i was happy
steel mauve
ya the block is massive on shield upgrades
split flint
I got a 345 but I need something for these m8 +... specially that last week with fortified...
brave jetty
My chest this week was literally the only slot where a 375 wouldn't be an upgrade
-_____________-
Also: what'as the angle in being hit from behind where you can't block/parry?
is it the full 180 degrees or is it more generous than that?
ionic flume
could someone tell me what to do against the pack with the irontide mastiff in it in freehold? I'm unable to tank them and too retarded to kite them :D?
lucid kelp
a question on Mythrax. am I safe to taunt AS he's casting shear?
or should I wait for him to finish?
waxen cradle
let finish
steel mauve
cc the adds that can be cc'ed?
waxen cradle
@lucid kelp let him finish the cast
timber nest
is it worth having more than 1 archive trait?
waxen cradle
@lucid kelp When your taking the shear however make sure spell reflect is up it makes a HUGE difference
vagrant cape
fair crystal
Noice 😄
astral crystal
tfw you already had mythic taloc pants with socket and tonight 395 socketless version drops
FeelsBadMan
dark junco
Archive vs BFI ?
junior ivy
is DC worth 15 ilvls over shoudlers with iron fortress instead?
brave jetty
i thought i saw DC was worth like 20-30 ilvls?
fierce juniper
steel mauve
i cant remember who napkin mathed it but it nearly breaks even at about 45 ilvls, and thats kind of quick napkin math, idk how accurate
junior ivy
wow an answer from marok himself lol
well that settles it
right now i got 370 chest with callous reprisal, 355 helm with brace for impact
and 340 shoulders with deafening crash
where can i replace the shoulders with better ones that also have dc?
or like what should i do?
steel mauve
hope you get lucky in m+ cache each week
hailstone construct drops the 355 ilvl shoulder with dc but its a world boss
steel mauve
theres no dc in uldir
steel mauve
your only chance is m+ cache and the world boss dropping a 355
strong hill
" lets make a trait that is really good for prot warriors but don't put it on any gear of the azerite gear" seems legit
near dirge
How does archive compare to brace for impact?
junior spade
Prot warrior is decent for regular mythic and heroic dungeons yes?
hot locust
Prot warrior is decent for anything
junior spade
Alright cool. Making my way back to my warrior from all the other melee classes so just making sure
zinc mauve
without good aoe, the first boss in tol dagor is absolute aids on necrotic
even if i can clear the first group of bugs on my own, theres no way i can clear the second one and then necrotic just kill
junior spade
Gotcha. I dont really do mythic plus since I'm a casual now lol but the basics heroics mythics and lfr prot wars so fine all I care about
torn gulch
from your experience how does gemhide compare to impassive?
i already have one impassive and stacking sounds nice but gemhide is one of the best inner ring traits
devout crypt
Any1 got tips for dealing with rupturing blood on Zul?
have yet to live thru that fight
fair lantern
worthy karma
anyone got any neat hacks for zekvoz mythic?
outer dew
y'all running rumbling earth or stormbolt for m+?
chilly brook
@devout crypt 3 tank it and swap on 2 stacks, also stay in group until about 3-5 seconds left on debuff then run out
Much easier to survive if you’re generating rage and are in range of your heals
devout crypt
@chilly brook my group wasnt using a 3 tank strat, i might introduce that next week. We sort of used BoP as a crutch but i still died :^)
devout crypt
did the math and 1 instance of 1 stack of that dot is 1 ignore pain cast 🤔
chilly brook
Hence why you want to continue to generate rage
At two stacks it basically one taps one IP
chilly brook
But that being said that’s 30ish thousand damage that you don’t take
And that adds up in that phase
chrome harbor
vectus trinket with leech on heroic better then a normal mythrax trinket? not sure how much the leech plays in
stone crag
play a class with working sims ¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
Considering that’s like one of the only things I have to complain about I think I’m happy with playing prot
digital arrow
im sorry if this question has been asked like 10x before but is ilevel still king for trinkets?
i have a jes howler and a rezan eye and both are 345, but i just got a 360 gore crusted butcher's block and it's 247 strength and gives me 15 seconds of extra crit
steel mauve
Ilvl has never been king for trinkets
Howler is still gonna be better than crust block most likely
digital arrow
Thank you, Ironkuting
sick sentinel
Howler + Blockades still bis for DEFENSIVE.
polar cloak
amber siren
digital arrow
king's rest is so tough to pug, always someone who ignores the gold spit for first boss
always
i end up having no room to kite the boss at the very end of a verrrry slow path around the arena
sick sentinel
yep.
sudden tapir
I always have a toss up between killing adds or kiting adds, regardless of what I tell them to do haha
In pugs that is
“Killing the adds is best” “no kiting then is best!” Everyone is an expert
chrome wyvern
Its hilarious how easy that boss is when in a guild run compared to pugs
sudden tapir
Yep.
chrome wyvern
Doom's Fury 370 vs Bloodborne Infirmity 370 vs Blockade?
tight tree
Was doing KR as Arms. So many stuff there that require you to move out of melee, cant dps for shit ;/ Rather tank it on fortified tbh.
Just so very annoying
digital arrow
Lol @sudden tapir been running into a lotta "experts" lately and they love seeing anyone else's perfectly valid strat fail
copper path
Is Mchimba's Ritual Bandages any good for port warriors?
sick sentinel
Y’all talking kings rest. Time walking was a crap show tonight. 😂
copper path
Yeah did a +9 yesterday and got that trinket but don't know if the use is that great
knotty ermine
Went to tol dagor feeling a bit overconfident, apparently, after missing 3chest freehold by 10 seconds
tol dagor 8*
sick sentinel
Did you check yourself
knotty ermine
buzzers giving necrotic stacks
sick sentinel
Before you rekt yourself
knotty ermine
My anus was not prepared
stone crag
bandages is quite bad
sick sentinel
“Hush hush carnivale, this won’t be over quickly”
copper path
Alright thx @stone crag
sick sentinel
Tol Dagor is my new halls of valor. Something just always seems to go bad wrong.
knotty ermine
so fo serious, how the hell do I handle the first boss, clear out space and kite?
sick sentinel
I’d think you have to. Maybe see how Shakib does it this week
So do the little ticks on the second boss in underrot do stacks as well?
outer dew
Stack in the center
To bait the charge anyway
Baiting on the sides makes it much harder for rampage
How strong is the blockades trinket btw?
Been using Mythrax + Fatoms since I've felt fairly safe
tight tree
@ember arrow Yeah i suspect i am shit at DPS-ing 😉 Being melee annoys me to no end. I think, if i ever stop tanking i will be ranged DPS.
empty birch
did 4/8 M on my prot warrior and just did 4/8 M on my brm monk...
the difference is depressing
upbeat folio
Did you take a nap? I would have had to take a nap.
sudden tapir
We already have a brm monk in our comp already; so not sure how they’d feel if I hung up prot warr for a second brm haha
empty birch
our other tank is making his alt a brm monk
they're just too good at the moment for the harder stuff
slim lake
any good ways for a prot warr to drop stacks for boss in necrotics?
tight tree
Kite
sudden tapir
Certainly a lot less to manage on brm. Though the sentiment for me.. I love the leaping, the slamming, the shield blocking and cooldowns coming off and on with prot.
empty birch
thunderclap, leap, kite
sudden tapir
Yeaaaa, kite. I just leap away at around 15
empty birch
honestly i absolutely love my prot warrior and hope they change it
sudden tapir
Which boss are you facing
tight tree
I like managing brews, fluidity and tools of BM. Also i like that i can be more attentive to raid mechanics, positioning etc instead of my own cooldowns.
sudden tapir
Oh on manor.. yeaaa, if you aren’t outrunning him, keep a battle res and strong dps handy haha
empty birch
that's my main draw @tight tree
actually playing the fight instead of determining gcds
tight tree
On BM i can do so much more for my raid. I notice more, positioning wise, can correct some people. On warr i am just clenched all the time and calculating my own globals and watching external CDs bar like a holy grail
sudden tapir
I’ll just pop some NZT on prot warr, all good
upbeat folio
NZT?
tight tree
@empty birch If they fix warriors enough, i will jump straight back to it. Now doing BM for progress. We are not top guild, many people do mistakes, playing easier tanks makes tons of difference for us.
sudden tapir
Ever watch that movie Limitless, where he pops the mind enhancing drug? Sorry, haha poor reference to that 😂
upbeat folio
Playing a protection warrior right now could certainly be aided by some Adderall.
tight tree
(on unrelated note, Arms wrecking shit out of people in arena. Having a blast with it atm.)
main vault
warm axle
How important is a weapon upgrade for prot warrior? i dont think a better weapon affects rage generation at all, right?
tight tree
Well it is importand. Defensively shields are more important, but you just want better stats.
final mist
A weapon upgrade is as "important" as any other piece of gear - it's going to give you Strength, Armor, and secondaries, which will all increase DPS and survival. A better weapon means better DPS too, which means less threat problems (should you have any / Skittish weeks).
chilly brook
A good weapon will be your most important piece of gear for increasing damage and threat
@tight tree imo being able to focus on the stuff going on around you becomes easier the more you play a certain class, I don’t find myself any less aware when I play warrior as opposed to BrM
But that’s just my experience
tight tree
I play warrior since TBC, never been a problem. But now it is. I am not getting younger, and current prot warr micromanagement is bit too much for me to feel comfortable.
Also as i said before, i just ideologically disagree with the idea that you fight vs your own class mechanics. I want o fight with bosses.
Worst thing is, warrior feels GOOD overall (mainly thanks to sound and spell design).
Just fix issues and i will never ever think of playing alts.
chilly brook
Could you explain to me how you’re fighting your own class mechanics? @tight tree
tight tree
I feel that my kit working against me instead of working for me.
Hard to verbalize i guess hmm
chilly brook
I’d assume so? Because it‘ s almost the opposite everything works together so well that if you displace something you notice it
tight tree
I dont like being punished for things out of my control (example: sb is on cd, healers used externals elswhere). I always think how to work around warrior's limitations.
chilly brook
That’s what stuff like Last Stand and Shield Wall are for
tight tree
Exactly. They supposed to be oh shit buttons. Idea that i should use them rotationally, just not to die from boss melee swings, does not sit right with me at all.
candid niche
are we getting a new mastery in 8.1 ?
tight tree
Then real ohshit situation happens, i will have no answer.
chilly brook
Tbf using a defensive cooldown makes more sense before taking big hits than after taking big hits
@candid niche no one knows
tight tree
Yes. And i have to use them just not to die (drop low) from regular autoattacks.
candid niche
not even blizz, kek
tight tree
;D
chilly brook
The point of the warrior toolkit is to never be in that moment to begin with
And if that means using defensives then so be it
I actually quite enjoy it for one but hey that’s just me being opinionated
tight tree
Well in a perfect world yes. That never happens (or i am just not good enough)
I fully agree that i must be just too bad for current prot warr design. I do fine in raids and m+ but i want to be more than just fine.
tight tree
And i always hated and i hate and will always hate the idea of calling externals outside of critical abilities.
chilly brook
By all means play what you’d like I was just curious as to what your reasoning was for that comment
👍🏻
tight tree
@chilly brook 👌 I like your mindset, and I will always have a warrior. Buuut i want it to be better/more fun.
candid niche
if you could make any change to prot what would it be ?
and it can be anything at all
chilly brook
A larger absorb volume for IP
outer dew
^
stone crag
undo the bfa changes to ip
outer dew
i'm fine with how warrior plays outside of IP feeling wimpy
chilly brook
I prefer the BFA IP
Minus the fact that it lasts one auto
Bump that volume up to like 90k and we’re in business
old zephyr
Dragon roar is à silence, ravager à vortex like ability, and every time we Block an attack we print à cat pic in the chat
Plus numbers tuning
candid niche
i think its mess with the bolster talent row. Drop indom and NS and replace them with "All for one" and "One for all" The first one will make shield wall 30% reduction but applys to five targets on use and the second one makes spell reflect a 1 min cd with 30% dmg reduction but is affected by Anger management
tight tree
@candid niche SB 100% uptime. IP off GCD, or, buff its size. More variety in talents. Add utility for m+ (dispells/ranged silence/banners).
candid niche
should give us a reason to pick diff talents in the row depending on the situation
tight tree
@old zephyr CAT PIC ok you win.
Basically i want our mitigation to be less tedious to manage, and i want more utility toys to play with.
outer dew
what exactly do you consider as utility toys
tight tree
Remembering what we had and comparing to what we have now is depressing really.
candid niche
not to bothered by the IP shield atm since it scales with Str and its only the start of the expac but i definitely think it should be off the GCD since its what's supposed to bring our ehp to similar lvls of other tanks but we have to maintain it and it doesn't last too long especially when you have to decide between generating rage and putting yourself in a better situation to handle the inc dmg
stone crag
inb4 banners
tight tree
Banners, dispell on shield slam, silence on heroic throw
Vortex-like ravager would be dope too. Maybe if we have all this, warriors will be okay for m+
candid niche
i don't like how our Active mit is also way gimped in comparison to other tanks who just have to go with the highest primary stat, where as with us its you better roll really well on that one item slot or your blocks are gonna be poop
candid niche
yeah +1 for vortex ravager
candid niche
I think prot is just the thinking mans tank, gotta figure out what is the best thing to use in each situations, as opposed to keep stagger up or face tank is and heal lul
its alright you can ignore half of the arrow, i pick the pointy half 😛
tight tree
I would be fine with thinking man tank, but with all this effort, results are just average.
If they were exceptional, that would be great
But not the case now
Ok, sorry guys, i dont want to bash warriors. It is my favorite class. just venting a bit.
near shard
Okay so... I just got the 1hand that has no stats but does a DoT from my m10 cache...
probably useless ye?
candid niche
gives a bunch of primary stat tho right ?
near shard
30 str 60 stam
junior ivy
263 ilvl
near shard
355 -> 380 ilvl. Atm I got Haste / Vers 355 weapon
junior ivy
yup
candid niche
its probs worth, i mean you might wanna wait for one of the big boys to confirm it, but that passive armor and health you will get from its is prolly worth
how much haste would you be dropping ?
candid niche
i'd use the new wep but again, its worth getting someone who played prot more this expac than me. feel free to ask me any legion questions though 😛
near shard
Frustrating.. Would rather have anything else I think
candid niche
im still crossing my fingers that im gonna get a uber TF shield
obtuse venture
ilvl > stats most of the time. since its like a 25 ilvl upgrade you take the upgrade
merry cave
New weapon is better on almost all cases due to ilvl
near shard
Even if i lose on the secondary stats? I feel like haste is super important
obtuse venture
yep, you get a ton of haste from into the fray anyway
near shard
Alright, thanks
severe pond
@candid niche
make the effect from Rumbling Earth baseline, and change it's effects to drop a big slow on the ground for X seconds after you press shockwave
Make 3 talents involving DS on the same row, one booming voice giving rage+dmg/AoE silence for X seconds for utility/ idk the third but it could be ''more defensive''
candid niche
@severe pond i quite like that idea, giving each talent row a more focused effect on the class, like a row based on changing DS and the ideas are pretty sick too, nothing that seems to stand out as this is the go to talent more, pick depending on the situation or your own personal play style
severe pond
yea, i like the idea from talents to change depending on the situation/encounter/comp
candid niche
and yeah rumbling earth should be base line, if we cant have abilitys to re position shit we should atleast be able to have a shorter CD aoe stun seems fair to me, also fits well with prots current playstyle (atleast my playstyle for prot) which is run through everything then hope you have something to press when it gets really t one of those oh so fun OH SHIT moments
abilities*
analog pewter
Using mannoroths and thundergod legendaries for timewalking, feels so good..
candid niche
cant believe i forgot about mannoroths, that should make its way back into the spec as a talent or passive IMO, only problem as a talent is it will have to be a very well balanced row otherwise it'll probably just become a default pick
i think this is the first time in a while i've been hyped for timewalking 😄
old zephyr
Have manaroth compete with AM.
Give UF competitors défensive value (DR gets thubdergods or similar)
Bolster row get à silence on DS and shared SW
candid niche
i hope people don't mind but I'm collecting these ideas atm, no idea if ill end up trying to do anything with them. but its interesting to see what people think could be changed about my fav spec. and from what i've read so far you guys have some pretty good ideas
zinc mauve
For bandaid fixes just until we get a decent rework, just pulling ignore pain and maybe avatar/demo-shout off of GCD would do wonders
thats what I think at least, but I've only been playing for this expansion; last time I played was Wrath... its been a while to say the least
hexed lion
I don’t see how taking IP off the GCD would be a good idea, imo I think it would break us
candid niche
nah you're right about IP at least, the tool that's supposed to put us into a similar EHP as other tanks that requires us to maintain being on the GCD and having to compete with defensives to stop us dying and offensives to gen rage is silly. hurts its uptime too much. demo shout could come off too, but i don't think avatar should if demo is off the GCD, cause most of the time you'll cast them at the same time so it makes it flow better and gives a a little more uptime on demo shout cause of it.
hexed lion
Well it wouldn’t be a sufficient fix anyway
zinc mauve
Of course it would not be sufficient, hence the mention of a 'bandaid'. The way I see it, we are pretty starved for GCD which is why pulling it off of a GCD would help to a certain extent
since if you are using avatar and you have a revenge proc, you don't really have a rage dump if you don't intend on spending it on shield block
candid niche
break us how ? there is still a cap of 1.3 casts worth of IP and its not like you'll be able to perma spam it and get us to a point where we only ever take 50% of the dmg
hexed lion
If you’re casting IP then you have allready made a decision to use a GCD on a less precious coolsown
zinc mauve
a fair argument
candid niche
it will literally just become a rage dump for shorter cd's after the first cast
zinc mauve
I'm curious if they would rework the talents so there would be another viable build other than the current avatar-thunderclap build for dps
candid niche
but thats what we tend to lack, it also gets rid of that stupid decision of "do you wanna have an absorb and hope the next hit you take isnt gonna be enough to kill you" or do you want to pop a defensive and hope that you get enough healing to allow you to survive til you can get some amount of IP up
iron forum
I think damage wise we're fine now though
zinc mauve
absolutely
iron forum
yeah the thunderclap trait is just way beyond any of the others and it would be cool to bring dragon roar and the revenge one up a bit, but other than that we have som degree of flexibility in our dps talents
zinc mauve
It's just that when I look at my talents and look at the fight, I only really see one, MAYBE two I can change since the rest are borderline essential
iron forum
yeah thats fair
hexed lion
When I’m tanking 10s and my health drops below 30% even with SB up, tbh I’m not looking for an IP GCD because of how weak the spell is, so even if they took it off I still wouldn’t be using it reactively
iron forum
i would love if they buffed never surrender or indomidable
hexed lion
More just a way to quickly rebuild my cool downs with anger management
iron forum
but with the way our rotation works now bolster is prettym uch a necessity
iron forum
yeah
hexed lion
Poggers
zinc mauve
first boss of tol dagor is hell
hexed lion
So much nicer than last week
iron forum
hes not that bad if you have a decent group that knows how to save their aoe cooldowns, i +2'd a 9 tol easily earlier today
hexed lion
Fortified and teeming can piss off
iron forum
i was expecting the first boss to be a lot worse than it was
hexed lion
Tyrannical just punished players who don’t do mechanics
iron forum
with smart dps you rarely take more than a couple hits form the adds before they die
hexed lion
Yea exactly, just play the fight as intended and all is fine
I think prot is very good with tyrannical
And we still have awesome aoe damage, more so this week because in theory we could potentially pull more trash
I really hope we get to keep avatar and thunderclap how it is currently
iron forum
yeah prot is definitely slightly less trash with week than most weeks for m+
this week*
zinc mauve
my group had a s-priest, BM-hunter, and a demon hunter for damage on a +8 and we had significant difficulty with the first boss
tol dagor
hexed lion
ew spriest
candid niche
i love spell reflect on tyrannical weeks, always puts a grin on my face thinking, i wanna see any other tank fully mitigate that high dmg spell and chunk the boss at the same time
zinc mauve
we just lacked the AOE to be able to get all the bugs down consistently
iron forum
dont spriests have terrible burst aoe and only good sustained aoe? although your demon hunter alone should have toasted those adds
zinc mauve
oh yeah he could toast them but the problem was when they spawned spread out
hexed lion
Ya it sounds like you just had a few bad players
zinc mauve
and for some reason half the time the boss would upheaval on me every single time, which i have never seen happen before
i didnt even know it could happen to the tank
hexed lion
Yea
Is there a list somewhere of all spells from dungeons that are spell reflect able?
zinc mauve
check the pins boyo
zinc mauve
yep its in there
candid niche
i know the mind chaps that do the nasty channel after the second boss in motherlode is spell reflectable
and if you can time it well you can reflect multiple casts at teh same time aslong as they hit at the same time
zinc mauve
interesting
i still dont understand why 'shoot' and 'throw rock' or whatever those stupid skills cant be blocked
atleast it doesnt feel like they can be
hearty portal
You cant block ranged attacks
zinc mauve
very sad 😦
candid niche
i mean you cant block a giant demons fists that should crush you but you cant block a small arrow ?
how's that make any sense
zinc mauve
arrows go fast
rustic fractal
Guys. I have 340 shoulders with the thunderclap trait and earned 385 shoulders with shieldslam trait. What should I do ?? (If I equip those 385 I have no thunderclap trait left)
hearty portal
Because its not like what thats what shield has been used for traditionally
zinc mauve
the thunderclap trait is worth 25 itemlevels
so switch to the new shoulders
probably
rustic fractal
Ok nice. Thanks you 😃
rustic fractal
Okok ty
zinc mauve
okay thats interesting, Wasting Strike from Lord Waycrest can be reflected
I was not aware of this
fringe marten
Yup so can the shadow cleave from the guards in the hallways
so can the ? the ability that increases damage you take by 15% from the little miniboss before the final stairway
hearty portal
As in reflect, it just disapears right
fringe marten
I think yeah? you get the reflect sound, and I think it completely stops the damage, but not reflect the damage
But for sure you refelct the 15% damage increase
sick sentinel
Same for G'Huun corruption. No debuff to drop.
fringe marten
Also for boss abilities, you can reflect the Nature DoT that Rixxa Flame casts on you in Motherlode.
candid niche
you have to be fast for that one tho
hearty portal
Does she get it on herself?
candid niche
cause it isnt 100% that it'll cast one you, probs doesnt help i havent done that fight with timers that show when its cast either
yea
same with wasting strike
fringe marten
Yeah no DBM warning, you literally have to wait until after she fires some azerite goo, attacks a couple times...then you wait...and you can hit the reflect as she casts it, it hits 2 targets.
no it's ALWAYS you and 1 other target
prisma night
Oh thats good to know for rixxa
fringe marten
Wasting strike is also ALWAYS you.
candid niche
its not always you
hearty portal
how long is the cast?
candid niche
but wasting is
hearty portal
kk
candid niche
i meant wasting's debuff is relfected onto the boss
hearty portal
plenty of time
candid niche
once you start looking for it you kinda get a spidersense for when its gonna be cast approx.
fringe marten
Trust me if you reflect rixxa's debuff you'll always reflect it, and if you're a dwarf you can self cure the second one...then reflect the third as well.
So you can eliminate the first 3 times she casts it.
(as a dwarf)
prisma night
Dwarfs op
candid niche
if its cast on you*
rustic fractal
I once tried to shield reflect the debuff on Ghuun but when I do i dont get it, then it swaps to another target as I deflected on somebody else
Idk if this is a bug or not
fringe marten
Khendron, it's literally 100% so far for me. Every single time I've fought her and timed it right, I get a reflect.
stone crag
definitely doesn't redirect
rustic fractal
But there is some in Uldir and plenty overall since bfa
stone crag
it still targets 3 players in P2
only 1 in P3
but if you reflect it in P2, it's 2 targets
fringe marten
Wamari that's not true; it hits 3 targets, you just eliminate one of them (you)
candid niche
then you're lucky, im jsut saying its not 100% chance to target you
rustic fractal
Ahh ok. Mb so
prisma night
The visual looks like it redirects to another player after you reflect it. Was wondering that myself
fringe marten
The reflect on the guards is nice though, that ability last week could hit kinda' hard.
Also you can reflect (true reflect) the ? Sand Blast? from the lizard casters in Tol Dagor.
candid niche
p3 ? there isnt a phase 3 on rixxa
prisma night
Thats ghuun
trim fjord
Hey guys, sorry if this has been answered earlier, but are any traits outside of uldir worth taking? Other than the prot traits i mean.
fringe marten
you can reflect chain lightning from the shaman boss in the 3 boss fight in King's Rest.
rustic fractal
And there was the other bug I had, on zekvoz. Does anybofy had the same thing, when he is doing void tentacle lash and you hide behind a "invisible wall" which makes you out of LOS, Zekvoz stops attacking until he casts a spell
fringe marten
You can also reflect Chain lightning from the witch doctor add in the final fight in ...Temple of sethraliss.
rustic fractal
Ok I will try to do it again in LFR or NM and if so, I will report that bug x)
scarlet fossil
Is Prot getting a buff soon?
fringe marten
Not that it matters, but any basilisk in the VolDun area, while you're world questing..you can reflect their uninterruptable petrifying stare and stone form them for a couple seconds.
prisma night
I think the prot buffs are gonna be 8.1 mostly. Maybe some numbers changes prior but i kinda doubt it
stone crag
🤣
fringe marten
Quick tip for anyone banging a 10 ataldazar this week, the pack on the left (the aztec trolls fighting the undead?) the npc undead or whatever they are? Die As you walk up, 1 is infested...if you very quickly pull that pack down the stairs and have your dps rush up to those spawn of ghunn you can prevent 2 infested mobs. Same with the totem to the right (first totem zombie) pull zombie down, dps kill totem for free.
Atal coughed up a 375 shield, 37 runs deep.
Disc of indomitable will indeed.
hexed lion
Is shield slam trait still better than Reinforced plating
zealous crest
370 mythrax sword haste+mast vs 380 tol dagor sword vers+mastery
fringe marten
oh yeah
zealous crest
?
fringe marten
I'd use the 380, that's str, hp..and raw damage on abilities
prisma night
380
fringe marten
At this point, the haste on a weapon or shield is like in the 1.5% or so range
I'm like 42% haste in M+ like 44% or more in raids.
I'd lose 1/1.5% haste to gain 10 ilevels on my weapon no problem.
hexed lion
Do you reckon a 370 azerite chest with not bis traits is an upgrade over a 355 with Shield slam trait
?
stone crag
the only trait worth dropping ilevel for is DC
fringe marten
And brace for impact doesn't carry nearly the weight that Deafening crash does.
prisma night
Eh id drop like 5 ilvl maybe for a bfi over shit traits
fringe marten
I'm tied at the umbilical to a 340 shoulder, and it makes me cry.
fringe marten
you aren't meant to.
upbeat folio
Yeah, seriously. I haven't seen a single mythic+ azerite drop.
fringe marten
Raids, World Bosses, Hitting the lottery on weekly caches. Mythic 0's and Warfronts for base ilevel stuff.
zinc mauve
i thought only mythic 0 drops azerites, except from the chest
fringe marten
Zahrahk, it does not drop in M+