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chilly brook
frosty wedge
some breaks here and there, but always my main
chilly brook
🙃
old night
damn @chilly brook that cuts deep I thought we were buds
old night
yep, bound by our love of dual shields
chilly brook
But friends outside of public
sick sentinel
is anyone else getting their shit slapped by the timewalking dungeons or is it just me
frosty wedge
it's everyone
old night
someone in my guild said they were
knotty ermine
End Time specifically was fun
frosty wedge
there's a bunch of posts about it
knotty ermine
(see: NOT fun)
frosty wedge
they're all overtuned
sick sentinel
lost city had me a bit worried, but throne of tides was a complete joke
old night
@frosty wedge yes
frosty wedge
also the gear that warforges in timewalking currently warforges LOWER ilvl than the normal drops
knotty ermine
"Sure would be a shame if the DPS can't kill a ghoul before they get to Sylvanas"
daring marlin
lol
sick sentinel
thanks beta for azeroth
sick sentinel
all cata ones
daring marlin
??
sick sentinel
i may be misunderstanding
daring marlin
TW is always garbage cuz it has a limited pool of dungeons.
brave jetty
i see this meme about dual shields in here
and i recall that my very first D&D character many years ago was a shield dual wielder
he was excellent
Well, a shield and a buckler
knotty ermine
Yeah but its never all dungeons from that expansion right? Just like 3-4 from each?
frosty wedge
naw it's all of em
brave jetty
Cata had some fun, tough dungeons
frosty wedge
wet compass
it's better than dailies I should trademark that
daring marlin
Halls of Origination isn't in the TW pool
neither is well of eternity
or deadmines
old night
I told my co tank in raid the other day that my favorite BC dungeon was every Auchindoun dungeon and I felt like he wanted a different cotank from that point onward
wet compass
Justified
wide juniper
WotLK had great dungeons. Don't @ me
daring marlin
And neither of the troll dungeons
daring marlin
TLDR TW is a fucking waste of time
old night
no for real. no meme
daring marlin
and none of the good dungeons are in the pool
wet compass
..............................
wide juniper
@old night How does it feel to be wrong?
wet compass
.................................................
wide juniper
Because you're wrong af
old night
🤷
brave jetty
Do we have any busted-ass timewalking trinkets this go around?
Or have they generally been fixed
old night
@wide juniper so good
wide juniper
🤢
chilly brook
Wrath dungeons were A1
And the token system they introduced was A1
Well not really introduced
knotty ermine
The icecrown dungeons are some of the only dungeons I honestly never tired of running
chilly brook
Cuz it was in BC
signal plover
I don't see what A1 Steak sauce has to do with any of this
knotty ermine
Just gonna pretend Trial of the Champion didn't exist though
chilly brook
But I mean there’s something awesome about always being able to work towards progression
Trial was my favorite Wrath dungeon
Come at me
vocal nimbus
violet hold 💤
frosty wedge
I'd be so down for justice points to be a thing again
chilly brook
Same
knotty ermine
I bored of that place, both dungeon and raid very quickly. Probably more to do with that being when the difficultly/group size grind was at its absolute peak
signal plover
It also felt like a huge blue ball before ICC
knotty ermine
Living in ToC each week, across 2 chars
felt so, so, so bad
the tournament I liked
the raid I even liked, the first 100 or so clears
signal plover
Not to mention it was sandwiched between Ulduar and ICC which are probably the best raids in wow
Certainly two of my faves at least
knotty ermine
dungeon I wasn't a big fan of because I thought the plate set looked like shit and pugs always sucked at jousting
broken kite
aYYY.
sand egret
boo this man
knotty ermine
The prot pally I played in BC cares not about your SH woes
digital arrow
where u get that??
knotty ermine
my warrior main was sad, but whatev
daring marlin
That was one of my proudest moments IN WOW.
man moding SH as a prot warrior
stupid teenager rofl
sand egret
running that dungeon was stressful as fuck
one inch in the wrong direction and you get the whole dang place
strong hill
Violet hold was one of the first dungeons I tanked in wrath , “ back in business “ still a great voice line
sand egret
but heroic shadow labs was probably the worst of that expac. so.much.trash.
knotty ermine
DIS PEAR
SO DELICIOUS
best voice line eva
used it for WAs for 2 expansions afterward
glossy bramble
oh lol @old night im still on archimonde
grim prism
@broken kite dirty
strong hill
Shadow labyrinth , still one of my favourite dungeons. That’s where I started practicing tanking at the tail end of bc
knotty ermine
SL was one of my favorite dungeons tbh. I disliked the bird dungeon far more, just because the mob density in there meant you were screwed if/when a hunters pet got feared into 2-3 other packs
chilly brook
Real talk WoD had good dungeons
knotty ermine
For sure
WoD had great raids as well imo
Just literally nothing to do outside of those two things
glossy bramble
yeah they were good there was just......nothing to do
chilly brook
Blackrock was awesome
jovial reef
fuck everbloom
sand egret
I actually really enjoy the Cata ones myself
glossy bramble
i looved cata dungeons
chilly brook
HFC was great but I got tired of green lol
glossy bramble
i spent tons of time just tanking random heroics
sand egret
from a design perspective it was a major shift
jovial reef
prenerf grim batol first boss FeelsGoodMan
sand egret
coupled with mana nerfs to healers coming off of WotLK, group play mattered a lot
strong hill
I hated black rock. Only because every time I got it someone would be asking to do leeroy. Or they would always stand out in the middle of the on coming patrols and pull half a room
knotty ermine
I had more issues with groups doing Croman than blackrock
frosty wedge
nice
knotty ermine
noice
strong hill
@junior ivy gj my dude.
junior ivy
ty ty
mellow bridge
Anyone remember what the site was called with some M+ tips like the correct position for the Tol Dagor Endboss? Trying to explain it to a friend over chat (not in the run) but cant find it zzz
sand egret
what are the affixes this week? i'm at work atm
sand egret
in that order?
frosty wedge
no, tyrranical on all, raging on 4+ necrotic 7+
sand egret
oh thanks
strong hill
@junior ivy I assume your group actually knew how to dodge gaitlin gun
frosty wedge
nice
strong hill
I was about to say must be a guild group.
dusk locust
do you guys tank the last boss of motherlode near the stairs so dps doesn't have to dodge swirlies, or find it not worth the trouble?
daring patrol
tank it in the middle, give BS callouts for the positions of the other flyers, leap out an laugh as they get hit
strong hill
^ ya pretty much. Few times I have been there I hold him where he starts.
frosty wedge
same
sick sentinel
is there a pawn string for the prot warrior stats?
frosty wedge
np
digital arrow
where do u guys like to tank rezan in atal dazar? i've heard 3 different strategies with pugs and i always suggest the right wall, along the water. u just kite him back and forth during pursuit
i keep hearing about stairs strat though
candid cove
Grab him by the stairs in the corner anduse theother side of the stairs to los
sand egret
I prefer the stairs, (from the enterance, head to the right)
digital arrow
alright
frosty wedge
yeah I also use stairs
sand egret
I pull him into the corner. We only really have to worry about every other fear but I found the stairs was the shortest distance for the rest of the party to LoS
glossy bramble
is there any site that like has records of old guild names or anything by server?
sand egret
and acess to the water is huge
signal plover
I like the side wall more than stairs.
glossy bramble
desperately trying to remember the name of my old wrath guild but im the only one who still plays
mellow bridge
I usually use the sidewalls as well
takes like 3 steps to LoS and then you can kite in the water for the pursuit without spawning small raptors
strong hill
I’ve done stairs and I’ve kept him against one of the side wells
^
@glossy bramble have you tried looking up your character on wow progress ? I believe it shows where and when your character was 😊
glossy bramble
ill try it
it only shows my guilds back to like less than a year ago it looks like
is there a way to go farther back that im not seeing
glossy bramble
@strong hill
signal plover
@grim prism
earnest sable
frosty wedge
:/
elder isle
pussy healers REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
errant dagger
Any date yet when the class change will be ptr
uneven mason
I mean, I don't think I've had a healer complain about healing me, gotten quite a few compliments.
"When its ready" ^tm
elder isle
saw the possible removal of our current mastery , wonder with what theyll come
sand egret
oof, yeah that was more a text change
outer dew
Don't see the problem with healing warriors on my shaman
sand egret
yeah I wouldn't read into any of the changes seen in the last datamining
prisma crane
that SS says soo much
of course it's not always true, but the perception is a bitch
mellow bridge
yup
sand egret
yup
mellow bridge
just got denied several +9/+10 runs by people literally below me in raiderscore by 200-300 points cuz I'm a warrior
🤷
They'd rather have a 500 bdk than an 800 prot warrior
their problem I guess
elder isle
bdk , gang shit
uneven mason
I love how the blue post which is supposed to reassure us
uneven mason
literally made the 20% of the community who hadn't shoved their head up the pandemic level of REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE decide to lick some anus too.
signal plover
Ppl were tagging ppl I just wanted to party
grim prism
ayeee
onyx sun
yall talking bout eatin' dat ass?
chrome falcon
How the fuck did sense's guild do fetid with a guardian druid and a prot warrior
That is one hell of a brave tanking composition
glossy bramble
for anyone on the edge of their seats, i found my old guild! you can see a (partial in my case) guild history for a character on warcraftrealms
signal plover
#gitgud
digital arrow
they're probably pretty good at their classes
sand egret
see, it's good to feel represented ya know?
crystal bridge
Can anyone help me with my azerite on my prot warrior, I feel like it's all bad
signal plover
Sense and Sol are beautiful ppl
sand egret
poor prot just getting brew-washed for tank roles.
crystal bridge
crystal bridge
They are upgrades
Don't judge the mog lol
I didn't want to spend the gold remogging, just spent 30k on flasks this past week
solid granite
prot in lfr is really bloody sad..
crystal bridge
I have 340 defeaning crash
junior ivy
i did bad at siege of boralus 9
frosty wedge
aim for DC and either brace for impact or iron fortress
mellow bridge
@solid granite I know that feel lmao
Just did a TD where I had the second highest total dmg done
frosty wedge
@crystal bridge equpi that bad boy - it's wort more than 15 ilvls
mellow bridge
First was a retri with like 2 million more than me and then the boomkin and BM both had ~3 million less than me
crystal bridge
Icy Veins said to go with Azerite Globules and so did AskMrrobot (?) I felt that was wrong
mellow bridge
without cannon dmg
frosty wedge
azerite veins
solid granite
and this is at mother.. like dps galore .. normally at least
frosty wedge
not azerite globules
prisma crane
dont use AMR @crystal bridge
weary python
weary python
🙏
frosty wedge
@crystal bridge You want one piece with deafening crash no matter what - and then you want either Brace for impact, or iron fortress. For
iron forum
anyone else still not gotten a single piece of azerite gear form the cache? they said there would be bad luck protection on it, but not getting one for three weeks traight feels like some shit bad luck protection
frosty wedge
@weary python I got that helm at 370 last week :p
weary python
@bobby 4/5 azerite here.
crystal bridge
How do I link items from Armory?
weary python
Wait. 3/4.ny bad. Only 1 week on my DK and he got one.
crystal bridge
I refreshed with my two 340 Deafening crash pieces
weary python
Chest, ring, chest, helm.
frosty wedge
Honestly, the weekly should always drop 1 azerite and 1 rando piece - if you can't farm m+ for it, you should get a piece a week - chances are you get one with shit traits anyway
@crystal bridge only one deafening crash piece is necessary
sand egret
yeah, if they're going to continue with how its sourced, it'd be nice to have a consistent backup pool to try and fish from
frosty wedge
the duration increase doesn't stack
crystal bridge
Thank you., trying to decide which one to keep
weary python
Nono. Artifical scarcity with constantly buffed/nerfed traits is obviously what the community wants.
crystal bridge
I put on the 370 shoulders with Iron Fortress back on
frosty wedge
Yeah, 370 shoulders back on, and you should really take strength in numbers on that DC piece, not heed my call
the chest
crystal bridge
frosty wedge
also for the shoulders the second trait you're definitely better off with overwhelming power than winds of war
haste > all
chrome falcon
@frosty wedge guaranteed azerite from the chest would be stupid
the current system is also stupid
crystal bridge
Done and done
junior ivy
whats a good m+ score right now?
chrome falcon
but if there was guaranteed azerite from the chest every week i would already have 3/3 385 azerite pieces
in the third week of endgame content
that would be ABSURD, not even mythic raiders have that shit
clear sapphire
@chrome falcon I have 3 385 peices.... All chests. It's stupid.
frosty wedge
they could have gated it - max 370 azerite from the chest for a given amount of time
prisma crane
yea, you're assuming all different pieces lol
uneven mason
They intentionally wanted the better azerite from the weekly box
it gives folks who were not normally motivated to do M+
to do it
like I even got my wife to run a few dungeons
and she fucking hates M+
frosty wedge
lol
uneven mason
but she wants her Azerite gear.
chrome falcon
I would be fine with normally 1, sometimes 2 pieces from the chest
maybe every level above 10 you do increases your chance for a second piece or something
uneven mason
nah
junior ivy
whats considere3d a good m+ score right now ??
uneven mason
For a prot warrior?
chrome falcon
But guaranteed azerite every week would be just a stupid amount of gear
junior ivy
for anyone
frosty wedge
lol
prisma crane
10s in all would be around a 1000 @junior ivy
junior ivy
😦
prisma crane
but, you need a good group comp
frosty wedge
saw a blood DK that +2'd a 16 lastw eek
chrome falcon
but the week before it was a joke to time a 10
junior ivy
uneven mason
So hitting the timer in +10 literally just means don't wipe and have good DPS
if you move at a solid pace
and never die
you'll time it
but if your DPS is shit
that being said
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
Literally all my good runs are from the week before teeming
junior ivy
omg.
chrome falcon
Because it was such an easy week
chrome falcon
fort/teeming is beyond fucking stupid
uneven mason
has so much health
prisma crane
you have to have the right comp though
junior ivy
my score of 600 is that why im not getting accepted?
chrome falcon
It probably isn't helping
prisma crane
your name is brown, that's why
chrome falcon
But it's mostly being a prot warrior
junior ivy
😦
uneven mason
and that blue post about "Warriors needing love" made the rest of the community go OH MY GOD, WARRIORS MUST BE BAD?!
uneven mason
Like every healer who had no issues last week
junior ivy
are we getting loved soon though?
chrome falcon
They release a post about prot warrior being bad
prisma crane
that's the theory
uneven mason
He was like
chrome falcon
What the fuck was the point of the bluepost?
prisma crane
^
junior ivy
btw in the siege of boralus 9 i just did
we went a crazy way
we all got on water striders
chrome falcon
Don't make a fucking post if you're just going to continue ignoring the class
uneven mason
"Do you ahve a nother tank, I want this to go easy"
daring marlin
going under is ezpz
opaque dust
this week is fuck prot warriors week lol
junior ivy
yeh we dont handle necrotic well
junior ivy
i am not fine lol
chrome falcon
It's really annoying that they nerfed last stand's ability to cheese necrotic
uneven mason
get better DPS lol
junior ivy
problem is once i get to the point of needing to leap, the adds are immune to stun
chrome falcon
Tell your dps to stop wasting their stuns like dumbfucks
uneven mason
yeah I ❤ it when I see the DH and shaman both blow their stuns on top of eachother
chrome falcon
Also if you have bounding stride you don't need the stun
uneven mason
and its like well, there goes that fucking idea, leaping now
chrome falcon
Just leap out or charge to your healer
Yeah or just leap earlier when they waste their stuns
uneven mason
or hit intimidating shout
primal crypt
Just spell reject it
ancient sedge
Just been kicked out of a M0 Freehold before we even got in because healer was complaining I was a warrior tank #feelsbad
junior ivy
can my druid lvl 118 do timewalking?
chrome falcon
Man if spell reflect had 0 limit on spells reflected
And worked on necrotic
Prot warrior might actually be ok for it
It's so fucking mindblowing to me that 2 classes literally have buttons that say "remove necrotic"
sand egret
@junior ivy yes
junior ivy
ty
chrome falcon
Like what is the point of the affix if certain classes can just have a button that beats it
uncut fractal
story of my life
junior ivy
WARRIORS HAVE NOTHING SPECIAL
chrome falcon
That's not true
junior ivy
we need to be able to summon people or bres or mass silence or uh
chrome falcon
It's just our special thing
junior ivy
something else
chrome falcon
Is bad
uneven mason
Our special thing isn't as helpful as anything else
opaque dust
prot warriors are for people who can tank trash and their own sadness at the same time
primal crypt
We can block
junior ivy
i want a special thing as in a reason for someone to say "we should get a warrior tank"
primal crypt
We have avatar
prisma crane
that's just doomsday shit
fleet ridge
then they would bring a warrior am i rite
also, let thunderclap summon party members
junior ivy
lmao
prisma crane
ideally they dont want any FOTM, but that's an impossible task
uneven mason
@prisma crane Its not really, they've yet to give us a unique utility that has more impact than the other tanks
prisma crane
if you think it's intentional than idk what to tell you
prisma crane
dps warriors
primal crypt
Lul
fleet ridge
lol
uncut fractal
dk has CR & death grip
ancient sedge
We should have Summon Void Walker, then atleast are pet would tank better than us
uncut fractal
And has more hp than warr
uneven mason
Its rather intentional, same way its intentional that time after time they've been told hey - Gorefiends and Deathgrip are making BDK disproportionately useful to the point of being required for encunters
and yet it remains
prisma crane
the HP arguement is a weak one
chrome falcon
Look I'm all in for whining about prot warrior
fleet ridge
a warrior should have the most HP by far
chrome falcon
But lets whine about the right things please
uneven mason
HP is absolutely pointless in the grand scheme of tanking
fleet ridge
literally a warrior is just that; A WARRIOR
prisma crane
no it shouldnt
uneven mason
No, I don't want more HP, I want more mitigation (vs magic)
junior ivy
im just annoyed that i cant fully enjoy the game cause of the class i chose over 10 years ago
fleet ridge
yes @uneven mason agreed
primal crypt
Reroll
fleet ridge
^
chrome falcon
Reroll until they fix us or something then lol
fleet ridge
i have pretty much just stick to dpsing now
uneven mason
I really think my idea for a 30s CD on a "shield wall" that the party can stand behind would be an amazing utility for them to give us and fit the flavor of the class
chrome falcon
We are not so bad that you literally cannot play us
fleet ridge
i love tanking, but i just don't get invited to mythic groups
uneven mason
I mean
uneven mason
I'm tanking as prot
chrome falcon
And it's not the class's fault that everyone hates us
uncut fractal
When will they fix protection warrior? In the next weeks or the next big update which is going to be before Christmas?
uneven mason
and not having issues unless I try and pug
chrome falcon
It's m+ streamers and blizz's fault
fleet ridge
@uncut fractal 2025
uneven mason
which I didn't have any issues until this week
chrome falcon
Or just streamers in general
uneven mason
after the blue post about us needing love
chrome falcon
Fearmongered prot SO hard
uneven mason
LITERALLY had no issues getting grops until that post
chrome falcon
^
uncut fractal
I wanna see a streamer
That will play opposite of meta
To prove all wrong
Where is it
primal crypt
<<
solid mist
h'es on here
uncut fractal
A popular one
solid mist
sense?
fleet ridge
I think sense streams yeah
uneven mason
Sense streams
prisma crane
if someone has 1000 hp and gets hit for 100 every time, that's 10 hits to dead
if someone has 800 hp and gets hit for 75 every time, that's 11 hits to dead
if someone has 1500 hp, gets hit for 200 each time, but heals 50 after each hit that's 10 hits til dead
all are tanks with various HPs and ways to handle dmg intake
solid mist
I love wathcing his M+ runs
prisma crane
having more HP isnt always the answer
fleet ridge
you are right Krotos; but "class fantasy" man
broken kite
If only all damage was blockable
uneven mason
@prisma crane the issue comes in when the 800hp person is taking 200, because it bypasses all of their mitigations
prisma crane
but that's not our fantasy
chrome falcon
Warriors having high hp isn't fantasy at all
prisma crane
our fantasy is to take less dmg, not have more hp to get hit
uneven mason
That is literally the only problem I have in Uldir at the moment
Zul
his fucking DoT
chrome falcon
Dks who are LITERALLY THE WALKING DEAD and Druids who are LITERALLY FUCKING GIANT BEARS
Should have high HP
uneven mason
ticks for the same no matter what tank its on
fleet ridge
I want to re-introduce dual wielding shields
chrome falcon
Warriors are just dudes, our skill in combat should reduce our damage taken
uneven mason
IMO Zul's bleed should be % healt hdamage
weary python
I dunno. I'm approaching 370 as protection and I feel near Immortal even in +10 when shield block is rolling.
junior ivy
do level 118s get weekly quest?
uneven mason
gotta be 120
junior ivy
oh ok
uncut fractal
Dude I dont care about damage, I just wanna survive
uneven mason
What Zotics said
uncut fractal
I dont care about 20k DPS w/ Avatar
prisma crane
if IP actually scaled well, that bleed would be a lot easier for us than others
chrome falcon
@weary python to be fair 370 is way outgearing most +10s
chrome falcon
The problem with Zul debuff is that shield block is garbage
prisma crane
another big issue with that dot is that we have to move out of rage gen range to drop it
uneven mason
I'm only 362 and as long as its not a DoT I'm pretty much at the "laugh it off" stage in +10s
weary python
Well I had to suffer through lower ilevel runs.
chrome falcon
I'm hopeful that the PTR rework on our mastery indicates that SB will be changed to a flat armour buff
uncut fractal
I know the answer, Avatar should be reworked and give reduced damage / increased hp
weary python
It's not like the game said here, have 370ilevel
chrome falcon
Because SB right now is straight up trash
prisma crane
so we get our one IP, maybe a second if you save DS and that's it until you're back in
uncut fractal
And have uptime on it
uneven mason
@chrome falcon That was how Block was originally working
and it was absolute shit
A B S O L U T E S H I T
prisma crane
@chrome falcon how about last two in Motherlode, all magic dmg, cannot be blocked
weary python
Why is SB straight trash?
prisma crane
it's not
uneven mason
Block how its works now is amazing Matt
chrome falcon
@prisma crane spell reflect that shit boi
chrome falcon
SR is fine
prisma crane
@chrome falcon the AAs as well
chrome falcon
You can spell reflect the AAs from the last boss in motherlode
chrome falcon
And he attacks very infrequently
fleet ridge
like i tanked kings rest? the other day; and got competely fucked by the mobs near the end; I was like what can I do
uneven mason
SR needs to work vs all DoTs
chrome falcon
@uncut fractal You hit shield wall, stuns, interrupts, or go into LoS
prisma crane
my bigger issue is with 3rd boss than last one
uneven mason
@fleet ridge You mean the zul shadowbabys?
chrome falcon
I can do the flamecasters in tol dagor and take literally 0 damage if I care enough to make the effort
fleet ridge
I think so
sand egret
tbfair those guys fuck everyone
strong forum
i keep getting tilted that people are declining you for being warrior, i doesnt happen to me, just tilts me that you get it
uneven mason
Yeah he's fucking horrifying on Fortified
uncut fractal
It happened to me @strong forum
uneven mason
you basically have to lust and pray
strong forum
yea i saw rhasta
uneven mason
he's 10x harder than the boss on Fort weeks
chrome falcon
Just LoS spam them around corner lol are you guys serious
junior ivy
poeoplke, declined me a lot but i dunno if itrs cause imw arrior o casue im low score (600) or both
uncut fractal
I'm really titlted atm. Feels like I'm benched
chrome falcon
Your dps will hate you but you won't die
uncut fractal
Because I chose to play Warrior
junior ivy
uneven mason
@junior ivy sadly its because you're a warrior
junior ivy
WAIT IM 652 NOW
uneven mason
but
strong forum
thank god i got a guild early on and pushed big dick ilvl and score fast
junior ivy
is 652 mediocre at least
chrome falcon
no 652 is pretty bad
strong forum
i wouldnt want to live pug life right now
uneven mason
I mean, I'm main tanking for a guild right now, the guildies all go for me to tank their key runs
chrome falcon
@strong forum same, it's so nice having good keys done before the teeming/fort week
primal crypt
352?
strong forum
652 is like 6-7s
junior ivy
i like doing keys with my guild but i also feel bad offering to tank their keys casue i know theyd be better off with a different tank so tis like catch 22
strong forum
well matta, i did an 11 this week
chrome falcon
@junior ivy dude fuck that just play properly and you can do any key up to 12 if your group isn't total shit
uneven mason
catfriend that isn't the case at all
If you're a good prot you'll do better than another fucking tank
strong forum
im just not pugging ever in this expac
uncut fractal
https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Latrias Should I level up every dungeon to get higher score or what should be my goal to get into +10s w/ pugs
strong forum
too manny shitters
chrome falcon
you complain that everyone says prot is bad, but you seem to believe it yourself
old night
@junior ivy well don't play like shit. All tanks are perfectly fine in M+. In fact warrior AOE is insane right now
junior ivy
lol i always imagine theyre thinking "ugh she offered to come now we gotta take her but she sucks"
old night
nah fuck that
junior ivy
but i guess they woiuldnt ask in g chat if they werent willing to take anyone who offered
fleet ridge
@strong forum; lets run some dungons together then 😃
old night
if your guild thinks that find a new guild
strong forum
eeeh i have my group
sand egret
if you think that way, it'll eventually become true.
chrome falcon
having confidence in your own class and knowing what YOU SPECIFICALLY can do is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT
sand egret
but that's the same way with life, tbh
strong forum
or rather guild
primal crypt
have some self confidence.
fleet ridge
@strong forum hater!
strong forum
welp
junior ivy
im 366 ilvl 😦 but score so lowww
uncut fractal
same
fleet ridge
nah i understand homie
uncut fractal
i'm 500 score at 367
weary python
This chat is going crazy. You'd think someone came in here with anecdotal evidence saying loot tables in expeditions were all wrong.
fleet ridge
i just need to find some guildies to run with
sharp lotus
i dont even give a shit if prot is bad anymore, i dont give a shit if im shit. Ima go in there, try my best and throw that key down the toilet like an OG
strong forum
waycrest is really easy
junior ivy
or maybe just +10
old night
it'll be a lot worse if we somehow manage to get buffed to the point where everyone calling prot shit roll prot
sand egret
yeah I don't even have a guild, I just power through the Pugs tbhj
fleet ridge
going home, tty guys later
sharp lotus
i was addressing both sides though @strong forum
strong forum
yea
sharp lotus
@old night we will fill their heads with lies. to ensure we stay op
solid mist
you know what you do. you start an M+ and in the group finder description you put "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses (spriests and shamans welcome)" and you fucking ball outta control
strong forum
people are going to complain even more about prot being shit now that sco is going to play it
chrome falcon
The thing that tilts me the hardest is that they had Focused Rage prot in EN which they apparently didn't actually want to try to fix after the nerfs
strong forum
and he will play it wrong
chrome falcon
And that whole design is just in the trash
strong forum
and thats what im scared of
chrome falcon
If they brought back FR prot right now I would cream my pants
grim prism
That whole design was just trash, you mean
old night
but yeah @junior ivy dont let people tell you you cant tank keys and don't feel bad for volunteering. I'm lucky that my guild isn't like that. I cotank with a blood DK who knows we're not in the best of spots as he was blood in early legion
weary python
Sco is back to playing prot?
grim prism
Why do people mkss dev spam so much
strong forum
dont be
old night
dont be
strong forum
just be confident
junior ivy
theyve never done anything to make me think they dont want me in their keys
strong forum
and know your dungeons
junior ivy
i just feel bad cause i know there are better tanks in the guild
grim prism
Are we just romanticizing it because FR was the last time we had a DPS spemder
sand egret
well you can't get better if ya don't practice
old night
nah fuck that
strong forum
well i think im the best tank in my guild, so no problem there
chrome falcon
@grim prism Because all the important decisions were made off the GCD and we had big dick SS crits, it was a ton of fun
strong forum
and i think im atleast top 20 world
old night
when bear was huge dick in legion I used to walk circles around bear druids. It's all in the tank
old night
some classes just have a better kit
strong forum
confidence is key
chrome falcon
^
sand egret
plus, if you're real nervous.....you can totally tank for my alt and carry me through low keys 😆
strong forum
and fun ofc
old night
but if you use what you have to your advantage and know what to do when you'll be fine
chrome falcon
Sense is one of the best prot warriors in the world, hence Sense killed fetid devourer mythic before anyone else
this is just the reality of the game
grim prism
@junior ivy you are a very successful tank who does better than the average player, on a spec that most people struggle to take out of heroic
You got this dawg
old night
also sense is INSANELY chill
grim prism
Relax
sand egret
agreed
sharp lotus
i would not put the tanks that talk in here for the most part up with Sense
sand egret
you can have my 2nd shield
old night
I pm'd him when he was on mythic KJ about a mythic Goroth question and he talked with me one on one for like 20 mins about what I could do
sand egret
as a support shield ❤
strong hill
Gets 380 crit/ haste pants in chest. Has 385 haste/mastery pants on.
chrome falcon
I don't think thyme even plays prot anymore
prisma crane
i'm def not the best lol
strong forum
well x say what you want but on rio im currently top 50 world 😄 on prot
sharp lotus
i meant the people who complain
strong forum
ah
prisma crane
i know my shit, i just almost dont even care about BFA anymore
grim prism
Also butthurt i didnt get a shoutout when ive been here helping since Legion, Cat
chrome falcon
^
old night
also @junior ivy if you hop in here and ask a question about mythic+ one of us will be able to answer. I said it earlier but this spec/discord is one of the friendliest, if not THE friendliest class discord
grim prism
Its not my fault you rolles gnome, dont gold it ahainst me for memeing
prisma crane
im just taking it chill until stuff works out, i find the game (personally) less frustrating that way
sharp lotus
i never heard @final mist complain about more than one fight and even then he said it was only rough (krosus) good players never say a fight is impossible
thats why i said im just going in and trying my best regardless of where i stand
junior ivy
i ask most of my resto druid questions in here becuase the druid discord isnt friendly and helpful 😦
old night
our resto druid said the same thing
old night
she also got a ton of creepy PM's in there since her discord pic is actually her
grim prism
Was it?
chrome falcon
Pretty sure it was
Though Sco also suggested Heavy Repercussions in Antorus
So who fuckin knows
grim prism
He ran the block.build on krosus too
echo sparrow
I feel kinda fortunate to have a close group of friends that I run 10man+ with. We've been doing alright even if it's normal.
final mist
And no reason for Warriors to do it when we could go DPS and have our cotank do it.
broken kite
Probably just memeing
old night
@junior ivy feel free to add me to the list if youd like another helping hand. I run a lot of Mythic+ and can help with pathing/stuff
sand egret
ya'll said sense streams right? anyone care to hit me with a link?
sick tree
So I got a 375 Michimba ritual blanket from my chest
Is this not worth it at all and a wate of chest
storm isle
Snse ontwitch @sand egret
solid mist
@sand egret when he's streaming, it's listed on his name on the right
grim prism
@sick tree dont equip it, its got smallpox
sand egret
gotcha
solid mist
watching M+ it's marking mobs, interupts and stuns, people coordinating, and everyone is talking very mellow and chill... it's great
sick tree
I have a 360 jes howler and darkmoon trinket rn
grim prism
Those are good
storm isle
Could go watch his vods realy learn a thing or two
sand egret
I'd like to watch how other Prot's approach shit, tbh I've been doing it kinda on the fly
grim prism
Sense also did the mage tower at like 890 when most prots couldnt do it at 920 iirc
broken kite
Step 1) have a group that's awake and knows how to play their class
sick tree
So I take it the 375 ritual blankets not worth replacing either of these? Cause the activation seems very lackluster..
broken kite
Step 2) actually have step 1
chrome falcon
mchimba's is an expulsom
grim prism
@sick tree nope. Howler is actually BIS, its a ton of vers on command
chrome falcon
Howler is like an extra cooldown
i use it to fill SB gaps sometimes
it's not great but it's something
sick tree
Damn that's a shame. Waste of a +9 chest , a really shit trinket :v
uncut fractal
I remember seeing Sco's "Best & Worst BFA Tanks" Video
And I was like " Nah It'll be fine"
sick sentinel
♥ Sense
I too remember when Sco sabotaged us without actually trying the class and specc.
uncut fractal
True
I wish when meta was all monks in raids
Sco would get WF on Prot Warr
That would be most BM ever
chrome falcon
What do we think the odds are that BrM is best tank the whole expansion like legion guardian druid
uncut fractal
not in raids :>
open bluff
raiding in 2k18
grim prism
For real tho 60/40
uncut fractal
Oh great
tiny stirrup
if anyone here wants to add me its joraxle#1779
shut summit
grim prism
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Playing meta is boring
chrome falcon
i dunno playing meta was pretty fun in emerald nightmare
when meta was us
i feel like "playing meta is boring" is what people say when their class isn't meta
that's what i do at least
uncut fractal
I loved prot in ToS
chrome falcon
focused rage, NH->ToS, and antorus
uncut fractal
Dude IP were a thing back then
chrome falcon
IP was the only thing i didn't enjoy about prot actually
chrome falcon
EN prot warrior except make thunderclap and revenge worthwhile
would have been perfect
oh well we're here now
i've had my daily fix of whining about my class for today
extra salty because of the blue post into no buffs play from blizzard
lost mauve
I have been reading uldir tanking guides and honestly the tanking mechanics seem easier to follow than the DPS mechanics
my opinion might change once my guild actually throws me in there tho
chrome falcon
yeah except as a tank you have to be aware of the dps mechanics too
and the healing ones
lost mauve
true but I usually DPS
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guys dont be discouraged
you'll always find a spot as prot in timewalking dungeons
its fine
lost mauve
are they difficult btw? I don't remember any of the cata 5 mans
solemn current
theres some mechanical bosses that will wipe the group if you screw it up but naw theyre not too bad.
solemn current
what happened to end time?
sick sentinel
if you get sylvanas in end time you can just leave
the zombies on sylvanas dont scale
if you pop BL and all cooldowns you can maybe get them to 50%
steel mauve
hot damn 370 shield out of cache
errant wing
gz
sand egret
bout to head home to check my cache. May the Great Shielded One bless me on this day.
old night
@sand egret hope you get two shields in your cache bb
primal crypt
can you get a shield in the chest?
chrome falcon
380 rezan's eye or i quit game
primal crypt
debating on whether or not I should open the chest as arms or prot lol
chrome falcon
If you don't need a shield or 1h weapon, open it as arms
old night
^^
chrome falcon
Removes the risk of getting a trash tank trinket
i always open end of dungeon chests as arms
primal crypt
Just need something to pair with this
chrome falcon
so i don't get mchimbas or some hot trash like it
primal crypt
Just need a better 1 hander
old night
damn thats nice
primal crypt
Rest in rip
muted ruin
I gotta admit. I'm pretty nervous tanking raids. Never really done it before. I don't mind dungeon content but I'm pretty keen on giving raids a go. Is thier any advice you can give to a new protection warrior or just focus on reading up and practice to become a better tank is the way to do it?
prisma crane
just learn the swaps and whatever strat your guild is running with uses
uncut fractal
What do you struggle with specifically?
prisma crane
boss positioning is most of what we have to worry about
uncut fractal
Raids seem much easier than high m+
primal crypt
@muted ruin http://sunniersartofwar.com/quick-and-dirty-tanking-guides/uldir/ helps a little
@muted ruin Here's a list of blockable/reflectable things for warriors https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#
Dungeons and raid
muted ruin
I think it's more about being anixous about fucking up as a tank. But I also can't let that stop me from trying it out either. I pay money for the game so.
primal crypt
@muted ruin https://tanknotes.tk/ This shows pictures like a picture book
undone hollow
This might seem a stupid question, but whats the most laidback tank spec?
sick sentinel
nice shield
chrome falcon
monk
sick sentinel
lucky sob
primal crypt
@sick sentinel ❤
chrome falcon
most of monk's mitigation comes from an INCREDIBLY FAIR AND BALANCED passive
sick sentinel
gonna be on this 355 oswains for awhile I feel.
sick sentinel
363 ilvl, 375 weapon.
primal crypt
and get a 370
undone hollow
what about us glorious warriors
sick sentinel
pugs dun like prot warrs and my guild/server is shit DPS, only wanting to do their highest for the week.
pretty gay situation.
primal crypt
I make my own groups
got an 11 siege
couldnt kill the last boss
that was pretty buns
dropped it to a 10, did it no problem
we were in there for almost 2 hours for the 11 before I said I was done 😦
uncut fractal
how you make own groups as prot
without people leaving at fuck ups
i tried 3 times to lead, 2 times someone left
primal crypt
mmm...
uncut fractal
do i sign up a contract
primal crypt
50/50
They dont speak english very often, but they kick
Kick and stun
so good enough for me
also I usually only inv double rogue/hunter
that's where I discriminate LUL
uncut fractal
Oh wow great
primal crypt
Not sure how valid these numbers are...but damn...
ALTHOUGH ... the metrics don't always represent correctly
it's still interesting to see
muted ruin
Fucking hell.
undone hollow
christ on a bike
blazing pelican
there is an issue, but the primary cause of those numbers are player perception
plain ice
hey, we have twice as much representation as guardian druids in m+
vagrant cape
can someone please give me advice for how to kill the first boss of tol dagor on necrotic? we had a druid and a frost mage
I think the probelm was the adds weren't dying
so my stacks didn't go away
primal crypt
voila
shut summit
Use avatar on adds / blow them up / stun them
vagrant cape
yeah but like
shut summit
Run away from boss when doing his upheaval
vagrant cape
how can I kill them reliably? I'll try saving avatar
shut summit
Yea group effort,,avatar just helps
Other people getting hit there isn't end of the world either
primal crypt
??
sick sentinel
baine is beating my ass
old night
unless they fixed it
neon tangle
On the TD first boss do you end up gathering up all the adds, or do you just let the dps clean up the ones that aren’t on top of you?
pine timber
hey guys ive searched eerywhere... the sewer entrance that is SW of the scarlett tower is blocked by a big rock. how else to i access rogue quarters for herlooms
neon tangle
Since they buff the boss
@pine timber the heirloom vendor is in org now
On the platform above the front gate
signal plover
oof 385 azurite piece but i lose DC with no replacement
45 ilvls is prolly worth eh
vocal nimbus
Id take the 45 ilvl
flint tulip
definitly
chrome falcon
@signal plover the responsible answer is to take the 45 ilvls, but my heart says that extending demo shout is the only part of our class that ever changes our priority beyond "make shield slam light up"
signal plover
what's even worse is the 2nd and 3rd traits are complete garbo
chrome falcon
idk dude like if 2nd/3rd traits suck, and it's a helmet, and you have a lot of haste
DC might be better
neat harbor
still gearing for prot.... I will have my revenge.
steel mauve
its about equal i think, so it doesnt matter what you take i believe
chrome falcon
on a chestpiece the stat difference is so enormous that you just take the 385
but it's definitely close
signal plover
going from DC > earthlink > Resounding prot. to Callous rep. >>> blood siphon and bury the hatchet/longstrider lol
steel mauve
helm and chest have the same stat budget btw
chrome falcon
i wish callous reprisal was baseline so we ever had a reason to press revenge
also is that true @steel mauve
that's really weird
steel mauve
helm/chest/legs are the same
chrome falcon
how... how long has it been that way
please don't say it has always been like that because if it has you're breaking my entire world view
neat harbor
I wish prot was viable so I could get into M+ with 365 ilvl
steel mauve
we are
neat harbor
I have a brew tank @ 355 ilvl
signal plover
not in the community's eyes we're not
neat harbor
its literally twice as good
steel mauve
literally doesnt mmean we arent viable
neat harbor
well, not literally
signal plover
im not diagreeing
neat harbor
brew with lower ilvl feels like 30-35% better
signal plover
but
signal plover
the perception is important when pugging
neat harbor
the perception is kind of justified atm tho
steel mauve
i mean to eranorz, just because a low ilvl tank is "better" doesnt mean we arent viable
perception isnt completely incorrect, but is highly exaggerated
neat harbor
you take significantly less spike damage and have tools to heal yourself
as well as being able to kite better
steel mauve
we're not in a great spot, but we are viable
neat harbor
blizz just fucked up the one most important part of prot warr, being able to tank
lusty grotto
tanking is not the problem
neat harbor
not being able to keep shield block up for starters, is fucking idiotic.
neat harbor
in legion you could keep uptime on shield block