i missed my kick on the seaspeaker casting watery dome, so i kept getting hit with their water spells or w/e they're called. once my spell reflect was used up, i tried to kite but reacted too late lol
#protection
sick sentinel
What dungeon? 🤔
frosty wedge
I have a 370 helm with DC on it, lol
sick sentinel
Ah
daring marlin
another pair of shoulders from somewhere idk
wild bolt
Chest from Siege? Or shoulders...
daring marlin
shoulders probably
manic sentinel
@frosty wedge lucky bastard
daring marlin
no dungeon gear has a chest with DC
frosty wedge
daring marlin
only WQs
digital arrow
i've yet to see someone mass dispell watery dome, it's usually always downhill from there if i happen to miss my interrupt
grim zenith
just look at the bottom of the icy veins azerite traits guide and it has a tool that you can put in the trait you want and see the list of items with it
daring marlin
I hope hailstone is the WB this week.
or pvp conq cap is shoulders
that'd be sweet
manic sentinel
How does the conq cap work for pvp chest? Do you have to grind out higher rating for better chest gear?
grim prism
Thats just for end-of-instance drops
rotund heart
Possible someone could give me a hand at looking at a Heroic Zek'voz(wipe) log with me - trying to figure out what I can do better. Trying to compare with Sense's logs but fight durations are drastically different etc.
daring marlin
and weekly
manic sentinel
What iLvl is the pvp chest?
grim prism
And weekly*
vagrant cape
if you put in a key before reset and complete it, does it count for your highest m+ of the current week?
vagrant cape
i mean like
signal plover
@rotund heart do u have last stand up for every combo?
daring marlin
I sure hope I get an azerite piece this week.
THAT'D BE SWEET
Last two weeks have been shit!
vagrant cape
2 minutes left before reset > put keystone in > complete dungeon half an hour later > does it become your highest key this week?
manic sentinel
Oh I’m not sure on that
valid gorge
i got the fucking poison fang trinket from my chest this week
daring marlin
I think so @vagrant cape
manic sentinel
I keep getting rings FML
daring marlin
Since you complete it after
rotund heart
@signal plover Not every combo no, looks like every other one.
vagrant cape
so if next week has shitty affixes, you could save a +10 from the week prior and do it as the reset occurs?
thin mortar
@rotund heart just rotate your coolys for it and GG. so Last Stand + demo (if available), then wall the entire next combo
thin mortar
also don't forget spell reflect for the void attacks
manic sentinel
What did you get
daring marlin
BFI one zzz
lucid kelp
for Spell Reflect >> magic damage = anything thats not physical right?
manic sentinel
If it ain’t physical it’s gonna be magic
You can’t reflect everything but you can reduce the damage
lucid kelp
ye
I've been usin g it just wasn't sure if it actually worked
hard to tell sometimes
jade tartan
Guys remember me please, bosses apply necrotic?
wild bolt
They do
manic sentinel
I’m not 100% myself but I use it every time. I’m 99% sure it’s magic of some kind
signal plover
@rotund heart it's possible to have LS up for every combo if you're spending enough rage. So chances are you're probably holding DS while not actively tanking and missing out on that rage dump. If you play with generating and dumping as much rage as possible and u still can't get LS up every time, then alternate SW and other cooldowns/externals to get through the initial hit of the combo. Or save a SB charge for Shatter. IP and SR are enough for the final void lash.
manic sentinel
Wowhead will tell you
manic sentinel
I’m on that 340 shoulders 4 life kick
wild bolt
@lucid kelp Check this out , man. This is easily one of the most valuable resources I've found on this site. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#
All the blockable/reflectable abilities
for dungeons and Uldir
Awesome tool.
chilly brook
If you want to maximize Demo Shout uptime don’t hold onto it unless you still have the debuff rolling on the target, then use it when the debuff falls off and you’ll get crazy results
Trust me
daring marlin
This should be basic knowledge lol
chilly brook
manic sentinel
I think it’s more efficient to hold when avatar is coming off cd soon
manic sentinel
Damn
wild bolt
Congrats!
manic sentinel
Grats
chilly brook
You’ll typically get DS before you Avatar for a second time
Don’t hold it for Avatar
chilly brook
Avatar will be up during duration
fickle kiln
😃
manic sentinel
Wouldn’t you have less uptime if avatar is coming off Cd shortly?
manic sentinel
As opposed to using the two together I mean
chilly brook
Avatar 9/10 will be off CD during its duration and it won’t fall off during
brazen sequoia
So a disc priest just trashed me in King's Rest 10 for taking "too much damage" and "having too low HP", keep in mind I have 175k unbuffed, without "Indominable" and told me that I should just delete my account, like wtf? We didn't wipe once, yea I died like 2 times but that was it and we even got it as a +2 >.>
chilly brook
You get the same mileage while getting DS faster and most likely at least one more time during the fight
Because of the AM rage dumping
manic sentinel
Oh I gotcha
That’ll help, I’ve been holding it for avatar if it’s off CD in 5 or 6 seconds
chilly brook
Yea not worth just use and pop a rage dump
pulsar lily
Anyone else do an 11 key and got a 9 key in the chest instead of a 10?
chilly brook
After the rage dump avatar would be up at that point
manic sentinel
Not I, only made it to 10 :/
digital arrow
"damn you for making me heal a tank. i wanna afk play" -disc priest probably
chilly brook
Nah, I did a 10 underrot and would have had an 11 if the whole group didn’t die on the last boss
I proceeded to solo it from 66%
Best part is I recorded it
chilly brook
No let’s correct that
manic sentinel
Out of all the shit that could fuck you on these modifiers that sucks to wipe on the boss
chilly brook
I didn’t fail my group did
grim prism
Avatar is exacrly twice the CD of demo and provides no defensive benefit intrinsically (unless you count breaking snares), thus it should always be lined up with demo
I dont care what the guide says
weary python
Just got 385 Sea Brawler's Helm out of my chest.
wild bolt
Yes, discovering that the Spores could proc Victory Rush was a great day in Prot history
chilly brook
50 seconds over
manic sentinel
Damn that’s rough
wild bolt
Ooof, close.
manic sentinel
This week should be easier though yeah? First time playin necrotic but everyone tells me it’s a breeze wth no fort
wild bolt
@grim prism Doesn't AM mess with the timing on both though?
digital arrow
i am glad teeming is over
wild bolt
@digital arrow Amen, brother.
digital arrow
lol
chilly brook
Hence why you pop DC on CD
wild bolt
Yeah ok, that tracks.
digital arrow
how do u guys deal with necrotic? or do u just do business as usual
chilly brook
Avatar will be up during the duration
wild bolt
HL at about 20 stacks and kite until it resets.
daring marlin
I charge in, do mongo damage and leap out.
chilly brook
And you’ll still get the same mileage
digital arrow
lol
grim prism
Looks like its been answered but yes
It affects both equally
Thus it will always be exactly double unless you botch it
oblique wolf
worth considering dragon shout for kiting?
wild bolt
Nah. UF too stronk.
rotund heart
Thanks @signal plover
wild bolt
Especially with frost mages growing on every other tree
chilly brook
^
weary python
thoughts on second middle ring trait?
wild bolt
Can't swing a dead Feral w/out hitting a frost mage
prisma night
earthlink and haven are in the B tier on icyveins guide
weary python
I'm thinking earthlink to be honest
prisma night
globules are C tier
id probably go earthlink as well just cuz haven is a fixed zone
grim prism
Anything but globules @weary python
gaunt coyote
1 deafening crash is good enough for survivability right?
gaunt coyote
thats nice compared to trying to stack 2+ reorigination
wild bolt
More than 1 DC only increases the dmg, not the DS extension
So yes, anything >1 is suboptimal.
gaunt coyote
unlike my rogue which needs 3 deadshot to be optimal in dungeons
wild bolt
Yup.
old night
how shit is lingering sporepods
wild bolt
I'm not a fan but my DK co-tank loves it
I guess it'd be ok if it wasn't competing w / a 355 Rezan's and Blockades.
Does Veil look any better after the absorbs buff?
wild bolt
Agi?
weary python
So in raid, STR elixir is better than stamina elixir? I might have to tank our raid tonight
manic sentinel
Yeah strength
wild bolt
I go w/ STR. Have to respec to dps when using a Cauldron to not get Stam.
chilly brook
@old night I got a 365 one with a socket yesterday and I don't mind it
grim prism
Hang on
chilly brook
But hey my chest was less than stellar as to be expected
grim prism
@manic sentinel you were in prot lootspec and got a polearm?
chilly brook
380 ring with socket but crit mainstat
no haste
But hey can't really pass up 25ilvl
steel mauve
He was probably in dps spec accidentally and fucked himself
chilly brook
I mean crit isn't actually all that bad
strong hill
If you had the choice of high crit or high haste. Which would you want ? @chilly brook
strong hill
Exactly. Now I say that I’ll get something shitty and it will be a bis trinket
chilly brook
Well, that's what I said. "I'll just get something suboptimal like usual" and it was true
manic sentinel
Yeah
sand egret
mechanical question: the shield from the bandage trinket, how does that interact with Ignore Pain?
Do you take 50% reduction from IP then the rest that would hit your hp hits the bandage shield? If so, I'd imagine the trinket would actually have a lot higher eHP value.
frosty knot
Is there a way to use sim azarite gear/traits for prot?
wide juniper
no
wild bolt
AFAIK, Sims are only reliable for Prot's dps
not Survivability
Seems like something like EH should be simmable , but to my knowledge no one has done it successfully.
frosty knot
Alright, thank you guys
Also, I got a shoulder piece that's 20 ilvl higher than my current one, but equiping it means losing deafening crash
Do I use it?
frosty knot
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, just wasn't sure
steel mauve
Sims are NOT reliable for prot dps
oblique wolf
Also consider if you can drop less item levels on another piece to get deafening crash back
mellow bridge
20ilvl in return for losing DC is NOT worth if it's your only DC
frosty knot
Yeah, it's my only DC
The only other non-shoulder peice I can get is sea-blawers head
strong hill
I think someone said 25 ilvl is worth dropping to get dc
mellow bridge
If your current Azerite piece has Deafening Crash Icon Deafening Crash on it, you only want to replace it with another piece that has Deafening Crash on it. The exception to this being if you have a piece that is a 25+ item level increase.
is in the guide but if you do m+ it's probably even higher than that
strong hill
^.
near zenith
Ignore Pain should be a passive that stacks with damage dealt, with Devastate generating extra shielding or something.
lost mauve
There is a greater than 50% chance my guild is going to need me to tank Uldir normal mode this weekend. At this point it’s basically a farming run for new members and alts, but I have never tanked it before. Are there any tank oriented Uldir guides you all would recommend, and warrior tank in particular if possible?
chilly brook
lost mauve
Oh nice
tired berry
icy veins has a basic rundown of boss by boss too i think
solid mist
I ike the fatboss videos just as a primer if you are new to the fight also
oblique wolf
is there a good version of that but for M+/dungeons.
or is wowhead generally sufficient?
solid mist
I loved the thorough tank, but he doesn't have any BFA stuff 😦
lost mauve
I know all the fights from a melee DPS perspective and have a general idea of what the tanks are doing, I think, but I really want to be on top of my shit so I don’t let my guild down
strong hill
@oblique wolf actually I think fat boss has m+ dungeon guide videos
solid mist
question for Zul. anyone here doing lust at beginning to push to phase2 faster?
lost mauve
Yea that’s what we do
lost mauve
We lust on pull
chilly brook
get to the point
grim prism
They banned that paladin that was cheesing mother LOL
solid mist
best thing I've found for M+'s is grab a dungeon collection on wago.io, using those you very quickly learn what are the important things to interrupt/stun ;D
fringe marten
Balsaq...why? That's absolutely ridiculous.
oblique wolf
@solid mist any good recommendations for that?
grim prism
@frosty knot @wild bolt prot is not simmable for DPS or for tanking atm
strong hill
@lost mauve if you have seen the fights as a dps , tanking will not be that hard. Ask the other tank how many stacks to taunt on * insert boss name * and you are golden
chilly brook
He's been doing solo vids for like a long time and they just not decide that it's bannable?
fringe marten
He was simply using 2 talents, all they have to do is alter the talents.
chilly brook
That's their fault not his
digital arrow
whoa what?? wago is for weak aura sharing right? @solid mist
chilly brook
yes
grim prism
Because he reported it as a bug and then repeatedlt used it to get kills. Kills that are literally one GCD in duration lol
digital arrow
i didnt know there were dungeon specific wago, nice
fringe marten
OH that's a different thing entirely
chilly brook
Oh then this is a different guy then
grim prism
I mean sure, fuck blizz, but the TOS clearly says dont knowingly abuse exploits
dusk locust
the dungeon and raid WAs on wago are super useful
grim prism
Nope its the exact same guy
chilly brook
oh lul
grim prism
He just started trying it more and more
junior ivy
will waycrest be a hard key this week?
oblique wolf
how about resources for M+ routing?
solid mist
@digital arrow yeah man, it's really nice like icons for "HEY SIDESTEP" "<IMPORTANT SPELL> being cast"
oblique wolf
@chilly brook awesome thanks, i'll take a look at that
solid mist
since sometimes I'm focusing on my rotation and positioning, I'm not always 100% on what each mob is doing. can help me not tunnel vision
digital arrow
on second thought, addons have begun to overlap each other on my screen during combat, i'm still learning how to manage them and move them around. one of the cons of using addons is the adjustments u have to make are things u only notice at the worse times, right in the middle of a fight 😦
chilly brook
it's outlined pull by pull usually
lost mauve
@strong hill thanks, I assumed that was the case but it’s just a big responsibility so I don’t want to let my guild/friends down
strong hill
@junior ivy I can see certain parts being a pain.
solid mist
@oblique wolf no specifics, just go to the dungeon category, grab the highest rated one and try em out ;D
chilly brook
meh I don't see the point in WA for the raid, that's what DBM is for if it's properly configured
junior ivy
but ill put it at +11
junior ivy
i onlky did an 11 last week
strong hill
@lost mauve 100% understand. Realistically you will be fine
junior ivy
its cause the first week i got a 20 for no reason
and its been lowering by 1 every week
despite only doing 10s and 11s
thin mortar
yeah, that's a thing
junior ivy
i guess the last legion key i did was +21
strong hill
That’s still a thing ?
digital arrow
u can randomly get very high keys? from where? weekly cache?
junior ivy
it happens if you didnt open your last legion chest
it bases it on your last legion key
digital arrow
ohhhhhh
junior ivy
so my last legion key was +21 nd i got a +20 bfa key first week
chilly brook
bro never again am I doing Motherlode on teeming fortified
solid mist
@lost mauve re: zul. and you have dps just focus zul and passively cleave? or still focus adds? you find lust on pull works well? Just seems like such a shit show in pugs might start trying to just lust on pull to get to P2 faster
thin mortar
leftover from legion and it isn't resetting properly... unless you pass it, it will go down 1 lvl each week
strong hill
@digital arrow ya. A guy in my guild did a 3 2 weeks ago, this past week he got a 12 underot
thin mortar
drop it to an 11, run it and you'll get a 16 next week
junior ivy
will waycrest 11 be super hard though
strong hill
@chilly brook that bad was it ?
thin mortar
that's what I got in my weekly, don't intend on running it with necrotic... pretty pissed to see that affix back so soon
strong hill
Yup.
solid mist
lol
junior ivy
i didnt even look
solid mist
put your kiting boots on
daring marlin
necrotic is ezpz lol
daring marlin
especially with a frost mage
strong hill
@junior ivy that’s why I said certain parts will be rough
digital arrow
i dont like waycrest anymore, too much magic damage especially if someone misses an interrupt
digital arrow
lame-crest
chilly brook
@strong hill yes, bring lots of CC because most of the damage in there isn't blockable
daring marlin
The only thing that pisses me off about Warrior right now is azerite and DC.
junior ivy
i might try to pug a +11 right now. i like to g et my 11 overwith early
daring marlin
holy fucking shit blizzard
junior ivy
hey hey wait
lost mauve
@solid mist yes we bring all of the adds in to cleave them down. Have a DK grip the hexers in close
thin mortar
yes
daring marlin
yes
junior ivy
where
chilly brook
yes
daring marlin
It's in zuldazar
thin mortar
depends on if you're raiding imo
daring marlin
I don't think so
thin mortar
then no
junior ivy
i msotly do m+s
chilly brook
@daring marlin DC doesn't piss me off, the fact that I can't farm azerite gear pisses me off
strong hill
@chilly brook I tried to explain to a Hunter in the guild that motherloade with temming and fortified would probably be a bad combo. He argued it would be fine. 5 hours later he says never again lol
junior ivy
where DO you guys spend your bonus rolls
i never know where to use them
heres my gear
thin mortar
currently I'm rolling mother and mythrax
junior ivy
i think i need some azerite
digital arrow
gnome is cute
digital arrow
i'm gonna be sorry to switch from gnome to dark iron dwarf soon
junior ivy
@digital arrow YES. GNOMES ARE VERY CUTE
thin mortar
I ran kings rest last week on 11... it was not an easy run
strong hill
I did a 10 temple yesterday , wasn’t that bad except the galvanz boss.
junior ivy
whats it do pocky
chilly brook
I'd rather do a 10 KR than anything else last week
sand egret
everything*
digital arrow
oh
chilly brook
only 2 extra adds
strong hill
Your braver than me.
junior ivy
i love when i show up at a WB and hes already at 15% health
and i just gotta heroic throw
and wait
digital arrow
what i really care about is the goddamn bleeds being the bane of my warrior existence. i rarely get bleeds taken off by pug healers
err poisons
sand egret
yeah well it does bleeds too haha
junior ivy
i know there is an addon that tells me what gear i could get form bonus rolls
from
does anyone know which addon it is
chrome falcon
the really stupid thing about poisons is like that
half the healers can't do anything about them
so it's like...
junior ivy
nm its bonusrollpreview i found it
chilly brook
Well if you wanna optimize it, bring a DK for KR
ember arrow
@junior ivy the same gear as usual?
junior ivy
huh
sand egret
eh, isn't that the same as curse/disease?
cosmic cargo
*beastmaster
sand egret
it's just the troll-theme'd shit tends to be very poison heavy
cosmic cargo
it does way more DPS than the berserker
sand egret
in addition to pirate-themes
steel mauve
You cn just click on the thing when the bonus roll comes up and it shows you what you can get from it
chilly brook
I'd rather not deal with the berserker
steel mauve
Its integrated into wow itself
chilly brook
for a long time
steel mauve
The chest deal on the left side of the bonus roll thing
prisma crane
@junior ivy you had an addon for that didnt you 😉
digital arrow
are bonus rolls a thing u gotta buy from that guy next to the transmog guy? excuse my completely noob question
prisma crane
yea
chilly brook
yes
junior ivy
i did haha
prisma crane
well now you can delete it, though i know the addon allows you to just hover over it, i dont see the point
the menu is quick to open lol
chilly brook
for KR I think my ideal group would be a frost DK, hunter, frost mage and resto druid
junior ivy
i wanna kill soemthing else now juist to see the menu
casue i seriously never noticed it
chilly brook
I just brings up the loot table for that boss from the adventure guide
stiff star
is the guide updated in terms of what is top azerite choice even with reinforced plating buff?
chilly brook
I'd assume yes
stiff star
ok just making sure cries because i have so much reinforced plating gear
chilly brook
Reinforced plating still runs into the problem of you need to block
sick sentinel
Reinforced Plating lul
solid mist
I'm not theorycrafting genius by my guess is that reinforced plating buff is going to affect the ratings not at all
chilly brook
I'll take block rating please
grim prism
Sure af wont beat out block traits
rugged plinth
Still debating laser matrix vs bloodsport
chilly brook
how much haste is it up to now?
gaunt coyote
how does warrior feel about necrotic?
strong forum
prisma night
does anyone know how to get tehr's raid cds WA to show stormbolt?
steel mauve
I think it was stated at 500 haste is when the trait takes over
chilly brook
It's not solid numbers @steel mauve Marok even admitted that it's not possible to know exactly when but he said that around 500 should be the safe point
old zephyr
200 STR is à la lot of armor as well
hot locust
90 armor is a lot?
chilly brook
It’s not much
hot locust
I've been running archive since 150 stat, but my other trait is callous.
Pretty sure its worth having early if you dont have BFI/IF on that piece.
ember crest
finally get a 385 azerite piece in weekly chest, replaces my only slot with DC in it, CRUEL LOOT GODS
hot locust
Dont drop the DC =/
winter skiff
Rings are worth replacing for higher ilvls correct even tho its not the stats i wanted
mellow bridge
depends on the stats and ilvl diff
mellow bridge
and the other one?
winter skiff
Haste mastery
mellow bridge
what's the ilvl diff of the rings
winter skiff
355 to 380
mellow bridge
yeah 25 ilvl should be worth
steel mauve
25ilvl is easily worth
winter skiff
Yeah dungeons should be alot easier this week compared to last weej
steel mauve
And ya, we dont have solid numbers, its honestly probably worth taking the uldir trait at this point or very close to it
fickle kiln
thoughts on Dread glad trinket, on use vers
daring marlin
I'm sad laser was nerfed.
It was so fucking good.
Like a better thunderous blast
abstract kestrel
385 shoulders with deafening crash 😩 👌
clear sapphire
I just got my 3rd 385 chest peice :(
ember crest
is freehold really the only place to get a non shoulder DC azerite item?
ember crest
time to spam freehold
chilly brook
On rings never sandbag more than 10ilvl @winter skiff
winter skiff
Thanks
fickle kiln
why cant we get bloodmallet trinkeets
digital arrow
anyone get anything good from world boss?
fickle kiln
just bonus rolled the chest piece from world boss
ember crest
whats the traits?
mellow bridge
Reset waiting room FeelsBadMan
ember crest
ty
fickle kiln
pretty good for prot and fury
knotty ermine
370 shoulders from pvp but trading BFI for Bloodsport, feelseh
junior ivy
😦
fickle kiln
yeah I need shoulders now
got 340 with iron fortress
might have to farm soem M0s :/
knotty ermine
Cat you go Horde yet to join your friends?
junior ivy
nah still alliance
lucid kelp
time walking feels so Good....Ignore Pain doesn't dissapear after 1 second
strong hill
@lucid kelp how are the dps in time walking ? Dumb as posts or semi competent ?
lucid kelp
mostly dumb...but it's scaled to where that doesn't matter too much
strong hill
Lol excellent. I need to farm up more badges for my last mount.
frosty wedge
I got.... nothing on 4 chars from weekly or WB, lol
every slot I got from weekly was an item I already had 370+ in
and i got gold+AP on 4 chars from the WB, lol
lucid kelp
im just waiting for mop timewalking so I can go get rep for a waterstrider without doing any work
frosty wedge
sos mart
chilly brook
Yea I’d like to get my waterstrider and my cloud serpent rep
daring marlin
nerfing AM would be the lamest shit ever
signal plover
Let's get a source 1st Bois before we go off the deep end again
daring marlin
I'm just commenting that I think that would be an absurd change. lol
grim prism
No lets immediately assume that this sourceless PTR datamine is going live as-is
mellow bridge
yeah waiting for source lmao
signal plover
Rabble rabble rabble rabble
ember crest
pitchforks?
grim prism
Are those a polearm?
jovial dagger
Dunno saw it on /wowg/
odd ridge
Oh God the sky is falling
grim prism
Well that MUST be accurate then
jovial dagger
Lol
grim prism
Chan boards have never misled anybody
final mist
Yeah, deleting that.
jovial dagger
Prolly fake but would be nice
final mist
If it's not a verified source, then don't post it here.
grim prism
Those were nerfs. Probably just baitposting tbh
daring marlin
Probably lol
grim prism
Some men just like to watch the world (of warcraft) burn
mellow bridge
I mean nerfing AM is fine if we get enough buffs somewhere else to make up for it as currently we're completely locked into that playstyle
if a nerf to it and buffs to the other 2 talents + general buffs makes us able to pick other stuff; I'm happy
but those changes really didnt sound like enough lmao
daring marlin
Not me. I like having our CDs more often.
grim prism
What changes? 😉
daring marlin
Which is why I think the only way forward would be having AM baseline. :^)
signal plover
closes door on prot discord for a bit
frosty wedge
LOL
signal plover
Sal on a mission today...bless em
digital arrow
hell yeah sal whoopin ass and takin names
i'm about to tank with this weeks attributes, should i be worried about raging
daring marlin
nope
digital arrow
atal dazar's got those big dudes with the totem
daring marlin
It's a big nothing
vocal nimbus
Kite at 30%
digital arrow
a big nothingburger
daring marlin
since you're having to kite anyway cuz necrotic
vocal nimbus
Or CC at 30%
dusk locust
does the bleed those big guys put on you tick harder immediately when they rage, or only new applications after they rage?
signal plover
Wow bud
signal plover
Lol just edit it silly
wild bolt
@signal plover Thanks for the tip 😄
signal plover
;)
wild bolt
Not important.
daring marlin
He made an oopsie.
signal plover
I screencapped it for lols
daring marlin
That's about it.
frosty wedge
lol
digital arrow
oooh damnit i missed it
mellow bridge
Does anyone know the answer to Kauda's question?
"does the bleed those big guys put on you tick harder immediately when they rage, or only new applications after they rage?"
dusk locust
i guess i could ask that about any dot applied by a mob
grim prism
Demo debuff applies immediately without snapshotting
mellow bridge
Even if it doesn't matter too much, it's still interesting
dusk locust
i think i'm not handling that bleed well in particular, let alone on raging, so i was interested
grim prism
I would assume raging is the same way
signal plover
Immediately makes the most sense
daring marlin
Not the same considering demo doesn't do damage
vocal nimbus
Bleeds cant be handled at all
daring marlin
it's just a damage modifier
mellow bridge
Would be especially significant for the Berserkers in KR
signal plover
But I think UD need logs to be aure
vocal nimbus
😂
grim prism
So is raging @daring marlin 
daring marlin
The dot isn't?
grim prism
Thats necrotic
vocal nimbus
Big zombie vomiting assholes that rip you apart
grim prism
Right, if you demo the big assholes when youre already bleeding then it applies immediately
vocal nimbus
Those assholes
digital arrow
lol rip you apart, yeah sounds about right
grim prism
So i dont see why raging wouldnt interact similarly
sand egret
it probably uses dynamic scaling like 90% of dots do
daring marlin
The question was if you have a dot from them already, if they enrage while it's already on and don't apply it again does the damage bump up?
grim prism
Yes
vocal nimbus
Id say it doesnt matter
daring marlin
I'll find out now.
vocal nimbus
They cast it frequently
sand egret
for science!
grim prism
Let the class know what you find pls
wild bolt
Do you guys clear the whole room before UR 2nd boss or can you get away with clearing half if you tuck the boss into the side hard enough that his Tantrum won't aggro the rest? Lets assume a 7+ key.
dusk locust
i clear the whole room
there's a lot you can skip at the end of the dungeon so you may as well imo
wild bolt
Yeah ok. I'm just trying to figure out how to speed that one up at all . The timer on that key is horribly short.
(imo)
frosty wedge
yeah I always clear that whole room then skip a lot at the end
dusk locust
i go up to one lasher, one spitting grub guy, one spidery guy, and any amount of anything else
wild bolt
Yeah the pace is dictated by the fixaters and the plants w/ the mondo stun. I try to not have more than 2 fixaters and 1 plant to interrupt at a time ,but it feels like it takes an eternity.
dusk locust
probably most dangerous is the fixate guy
everything else you can technically handle in bulk
if you're on top of it
wild bolt
Yeah ok
Just curious how other people handle it. I'll try chaining more together there.
Should run quite a bit faster w/out fort/teeming this week anyway.
dusk locust
you can probably be pretty aggressive if you have good attention to interrupts and dodging the grub cone
apart from the fixater
each time i go i see how far i can push it to learn
wild bolt
For science!
wet compass
so what's everyone up to?
strong hill
@wild bolt I clear the whole room because I don’t trust anyone. Fat boss posted s video and they only did half the room.
wet compass
how can you do inventory time while on discord thinking
frosty wedge
my friends and I all play misfit classes, feelsbad
no pcket hunter/lock, etc and our rogue is the least stelthy person in our group
stealthy*
he constantly backs into or runs into extra things
sick sentinel
got pocket guildie druids and hunters.
uneven mason
@wet compass Because I finished my stock elimination sheets and I'm not going out of my way to help anyone else since they gave me all the old paper products to "eliminate" (a lot of heavy boxes)
so They can all run around for another 2 hours
while I let my back rest
wet compass
lol
uneven mason
I mean, granted i'm the only person on staff who can move those boxes.
but i'm too old for that shit
wet compass
(Fury) Reckless Flurry: damage reduced by 25%. lol why are they nerfing a mid tier spec
what's next prot nerfs
uneven mason
Prot nerf was buffing our worst outter ring by 10%
sand egret
@daring marlin is that in re: to whether the damage bumps up if they enrage while you have the dot on you?
uneven mason
which still leaves it I'm pretty sure, considerably, as our worst outter ring trait
wet compass
tehcnically it wasn't a nerf but it's still shit
uneven mason
like "hey those items you've been using for offspec because that trait is complete shit, well its still shit, but 10% less shit
wide juniper
Can we just meme some more today?
wide juniper
Well shit.
knotty ermine
I have a feeling that the RF nerf had more to do with all damage being buffed by 6%, and RF's scaling as a trait was probably going to cause some scaling issues in the near-ish future. Blizz being proactive sounds strange, but I suppose it is within the realm of possibility
daring marlin
tbh
daring marlin
RF would be funny on prot or arms
uneven mason
Its still possibly our best one is it not?
daring marlin
unless I'm thinking of something else?
frosty wedge
yep
as would taking less damage the lower our health was or less damage absed on rage generated/used
daring marlin
preaching to the choir my dude
frosty wedge
All of tehse are good ideas that play well with class lore
grim prism
@wet compass because azerite traits scale wonkily with ilvl and cause way more damage than intended
Which is likely the cause of the PVP season being delayed
Some redditor found that az traits literally do higher damage in direct proportion to lower ilvl
Hence shit like lord of war or reckless flurry catching nerfs
Not that i'm defending it
frosty wedge
yeah so if you put on 3 high ilvl azerite pieces and no other armor you were doing bonkers dmg
grim prism
Basically
wet compass
almost like it's a halfbaked shitty system
wet compass
I know right
frosty wedge
I actually really liked the artifact weapon system
daring marlin
azerite was a mistake
wet compass
almost like every single system in bfa feels like it should have been what legion systems evolved from
frosty wedge
that augmented existing things
wet compass
not the other way around
grim prism
Resubbing to BFA was a mistake LUL
wet compass
that's what gold is for
grim prism
They took all the lessons they learned from artifacts and legendaries
Threw all that shit out the window
wet compass
and made it even worse
grim prism
And built az from the worst parts of both
wet compass
at least you could get legendaries by running M+
instead of one fucking chance a week
frosty wedge
not having azeite drop in m+ is so fuckign dumb
grim prism
Dont even get me started
oblique wolf
i lucked out and got a 370 shoulder from warfronts
frosty wedge
or even if they made the weekly chest have 1 az and 1x any other piece
I'd be happy
ember crest
1 trait making or breaking the class is annoying
grim prism
I only did a 9 last week, and I aint even mad because of how much i dislike Loot 2.0
uneven mason
so I can swap in a 370 whenever I can get rid of that 340 DC
frosty wedge
see I just want to do 5 man content, which they're trying to say is a viable thing to do.... but they lock azerite pieces behind raids
grim prism
@ember crest stahp or theyre just going to nerf DC
uneven mason
But its not locked behind raids
uneven mason
its just literally the worst RNG system we've seen in the history of the game
frosty wedge
you CAN get azerite from chests weekly
grim prism
@frosty wedge after spending months teasing changes that seemed to have no purpose but disincentivizing raids
uneven mason
You have a higher chance pf getting Mimron's head offa yogg on your first try than the fucking correct azerite piece from your weekly chest
grim prism
And then telling us on the day the tier opened that everything we had been reading on Wowhead, IV, and MMOC was wrong and why would we think that was the case??
ember crest
should just let us reroll standard traits
frosty wedge
yeah exactly @grim prism I just want to log in, run some keys with friends and not get horirbly outpaced by shitty guilds facerolling normal uldir
grim prism
:salt:
ember crest
leave the unique traits to specific drops
uneven mason
wat
wet compass
The DH in limit is using two 340 pieces because of how out of whack azerite traits are
frosty wedge
oh I know, azerite is what I'm talking about
sand egret
but the point is you won't get the azerite gear at that level, right?
grim prism
I understand the concept behind not wanting people to outgear mythic in week one
But people should be allowed to keep pace now that both are open imo
frosty wedge
I'm strictly speaking about azerite pieces - I'm mostly salty b/c I got 0 usable pieces out of 4 weekly chests on my chars this week
and 0 azerite pieces on any of them
grim prism
I wouldnt feel bad about it only being heroic if i could farm azerite
frosty wedge
exactly
I'd be totally ok with max azerite from the dungeons being 370
with 385 from the chest
but the factthat the weekly doesn't always drop an azerite piece, and you can't get azerite pieces from m+
is justs tupid
grim prism
If only
frosty wedge
I guess i could PvP for azerite pieces? but who the hell wants to do that
wet compass
it's just really fucking dumb that 340s can be better than 370s
like fuck that's worse than it ever was with secondary stats
that's lliterally 2.5 tiers of loot
inner trail
the requirement for extra items is too damn high, like you get nothing extra between +10 and +15
merry cave
That's literally one piece of gear
inner trail
it should start at +11 instead
wild bolt
Great thoughts from Preach in his video today on Azerite trait adjustments.
bitter sleet
Is the archive of the titans viable in mythic plus?
bitter sleet
i have a 340 with brace for impact but i have a 370(that i have for arms) and it has swirling sands...does it make sense using the higher ilvl?
old night
any chance someone could look at my logs from last night's heroic zul and see what I can do to increase my healing? I parsed super low
inner trail
Probably worth it for the increased stats
bitter sleet
What about if the 340 was deafening crash??
signal plover
@old night try #449510248579858432 first. This is more general tips and "world is ending" type discussions
old night
Oh my b
inner trail
if it was deafening crash I would use deafening crash
frosty wedge
😄
old night
DID SOMEONE SAY DUAL SHIELDS
grim prism
375 haste/mast bracers
cant be too mad i guess, i did need ilvl in that slot
and that's best possible scenario lol
final mist
Yes it is, Carlito.
bitter sleet
However its on use feature...when is the proper time to use?
wet compass
what's the feeling on bee almanac for prot btw?
daring marlin
always
grim prism
@bitter sleet your best use of that is going to be as a damage reduciton cooldown
should be like 15% vers or so in fivemans at that ilvl
gleaming viper
Is prot really in that bad a spot? I boosted a warrior and have been enjoying tanking shrug
grim prism
only at the highest levels of the game
people ahve been successfully doing +10s and mythic prog this whole time
we do need buffs imo, but its not as dire as the community makes it sound
old night
in it's current form it's got a high skill ceiling. A lot of people that pick it up casually call it trash because they aren't as easy to pick up as other tanks. Nonetheless I'm currently tanking alongside a DK and just starting Mythic with no issues
but as balsaq said buffs are definitely welcoming
final mist
Almanac is pretty good too @wet compass.
gleaming viper
As some one who has never played tank before prot just needs a very small displacement ability and victory rush castable more often and the spec is Gucci
old night
TBH I think more than anything one of the reasons I have chosen to stay prot over swapping to a diff class isn't just because I enjoy the class in all aspects but also this Discord and this specific channel are the least toxic out of all of the other tank discords
lots and lots of good people here always down to help
grim prism
even if some of us are pretty jaded lately
but if youre enjoying it then by all means continue to play it and we will answer questions as neede
sand egret
May both your shields be blessed, fellow Warrior.
old night
@sand egret gets me ❤
grim prism
hey speaking of "both your shields"
anyone else think it's bullshit you can't swap gear in M+ but you still take durability damage?
daring marlin
@gleaming viper Prot is fun as hell right now with Avaclaps.
sand egret
I personally hate gear swapping in general, so nope
gleaming viper
No, just don't wipe. Get gud :p
daring marlin
git gud*
old night
side story about durability. so our GM was looking to snag auto-hammers and ended up snagging over 300. some dude forgot to add a zero or two per stack and we got a a lot of stacks for 3g a piece
gleaming viper
Nice, I never find snipes. I'm the guy that posts a stack of 5 enchants for the price of 1 =.=
old night
yeah he's kinda ultra lucky with snipes and price fuckups
gleaming viper
I always message the winner when I mess up but they usually just tell me to get fukt
wet compass
I would like a second shield
old night
same thing happened in the prepatch with drums. we have a ton of those because of the same exact reason
gleaming viper
Ask for his tsm snipe settings lol
gleaming viper
If I had a second account I'd just leave it at the ah running snipe search while playing
old night
he deserves it tho. his luck in legion was fuckin yikes city
glossy bramble
@gleaming viper we're probably the weakest tank but certainly not unviable
as others have said warriors are doing +10s and high level raiding just fine
mellow bridge
We should be better than druids at least, right
reef crescent
If im trying to go for heroic Uldir PUGs do i use my guardian druid or Prot warrior both about 354 ilvl just dont know which is better
glossy bramble
more other tanks being so strong than us being worthless
mellow bridge
but yeah I can tank anything up to a +10 with no time and could do higher prolly as well but can't clear it in time
Warriors are fine if you practice em; other tanks are just better
grim prism
druids are worse than prot in every way except sheer EHP right now, as far as i'm aware
old night
like it says in the pins. unless you're doing world first top 50 world shit it doesn't matter in the slightest
patent tundra
Hey guys - I have a 360 dread gladiators medallion (str & on use vers) with a socket, 370 howler, and a blockades deck. Which 2 should I be using?
grim prism
IF YOU HAVE TO ASK BROTHER, YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT
gleaming viper
Yeah I feel like it's just some tank specs are so over tuned not prot being broken. Just so many doomsayer's out there trashing the spec
mellow bridge
And remember guys
old night
prot is solid, its just gonna take patience and learning a lot of "if your rage is this and there is this this and this, then cast this"
mellow bridge
We might be bad compared to others, but at least we have big dick dps in m+
:^)
Pulling 40k dps as the tank is pretty fun
glossy bramble
@patent tundra howler for sure, imo deck but someone else can probably say for sure
old night
ask @chilly brook about his zul DPS yesterday
gleaming viper
Also is there NO Sims for prot or tank specs? Raidbots said I can't sim as prot
wet compass
it was zul trash not zul himselves
grim prism
@gleaming viper correct
wet compass
himsefl*
glossy bramble
sims just measure dps so theres not really a meaningful way to sim tanks
mellow bridge
Yes you cant sim as a tank
grim prism
you can absolutely sim tanks
mellow bridge
Okay
grim prism
you just can't sim prot because the moduie in simc doesnt work
mellow bridge
*You cant sim something useful as a tank
glossy bramble
you cant really sim how good-at-tanking you are
frosty wedge
apparently timewalking is still in beta
old night
what I was getting at was what @glossy bramble said
stiff basin
Protection
Reinforced Plating dtrength increased by 10%.
warforged gear dropping lower ilvl than regular gear - bosses super overtuned and one shotting people
stiff basin
we got some dtrength boys!
old night
simming a tank is less "yielding of info" as a dps sim is
glossy bramble
yeah
patent tundra
@glossy bramble thanks man
glossy bramble
in theory you can sim your dps but that's not really useful info
grim prism
i mean there's a difference between "there isn't a single holistic metric that encompasses tankability" and "sims just measure DPS so you cant sim tanks"
glossy bramble
@sturdy fog im pretty sure howler is a bis if you can get it at good ilvl
who the fuck is that? thats not what i meant to tag
@patent tundra
grim prism
lets not perpetuate the antivaxxer stuff just becasue all of us are too lazy to code lol
gleaming viper
I got a 340 howler with a prismatic 😊
glossy bramble
im using a 370 disc of systematic regression to tank because i cant get any got dang tank trinkets >>
grim prism
@glossy bramble it'
old night
i run a 370 disc and a dmd because I can't get anything else to drop
grim prism
s better than actual tank trinks, so.... 😬
patent tundra
Yeah I figured the howler was good - just not sure when to ditch blockades
old night
i want a dmd and syringe
glossy bramble
oh lul is disc actually good to be using?
ive been feeling like im forced into using this dps trink for the strength
ionic sky
wich one
frosty wedge
oh apparently legendaries are active in timewalking as well
old night
it was better than the 335 I had before because I figured the strength alone was worth it
I got a 370 seedpod this morning so I'll probably run seedpod and dmd
gleaming viper
So are stat weights still ok from raidbots to input to pawn for prot?
wild atlas
Adulation Enforcer
final mist
ANd don't touch Pawn at all.
old night
^^
frosty wedge
ilvl > haste > mas=vers > crit but don't bother simming
wet compass
wait which timewalking is it?
frosty wedge
there are no weights
wet compass
is it it mop?
frosty wedge
cata
wet compass
booooooooooo
old night
when in doubt check our icyveins page. @fierce juniper wrote it and it's solid
gleaming viper
Thanks @frosty wedge
frosty wedge
np
old night
I always have it open in some form
wet compass
I need to spend 7000+ badgers on mop rep tokens
glossy bramble
would yall say 15 ilvl on a ring outweighs any stat balance?
wild bolt
@glossy bramble Also matters which stats they are. If you're going from 150+ haste to 0 haste....I think that's a problem. If you're keeping haste but Mast is changing into Vers, that seems fine.
glossy bramble
i got too many fucking rings
wild bolt
Word.
old night
sorry, 184.
final mist
Secondaries are close and will outweigh any Haste at 10 ilevels, let alone 15.
Only thing that affects that is a socket.
glossy bramble
ight thats what i was thinking
wild bolt
Well there ya go
chilly brook
Did someone ping me??
ionic sky
Can anyone help me with the weapon a few messages back with a screenshot?
vocal nimbus
355 @ionic sky
knotty ermine
I want talents to choose between current 1h/shield, dual shields, and equipping a 2h with my shield
Blizz plz
chilly brook
I just wanna join groups without instantly being judged
Everyone’s a paladin these days
knotty ermine
implies you get inv'd in the first place
ember arrow
then go withfriends/guildies
ionic sky
@vocal nimbus thanks!
knotty ermine
Ahh ok "be less poor" then 😛
vocal nimbus
🤔
ember arrow
@ionic sky i'd take the 355 one, provided you socket it with haste
chilly brook
When you don’t wanna group with guildies because you actually want to chest the key
wet compass
I want that 380 haste ring
especially if you can find one with a socket
like holy crap
ionic sky
@ember arrow that is also what i was thinking, it would get me from 1 5% to 17% Haste
wet compass
https://www.wowhead.com/item=163934/gnarled-mood-ring is literally disgusting
iron grove
Guys me and my GF we are looking for a raid group to play (she is a DPS) where's the best place to find it ?
signal plover
🤔
frosty wedge
😮 you're on proudmoore? That was my vanilla server!!!
old night
yep!
I played vanilla on archimonde, moved to mug'thol, then proudmoore
I love proudmoore
frosty wedge
yeah I only moved to follow friends
I was the MT for Nazgul on proudmoore back in vanilla
gleaming viper
@iron grove check your realms blizz forums. My realm thrall full of recruiting posts
old night
I raided on a rogue from vanilla to cata
then took a break and came back on legion prepatch as a prot tank
haven't looked back
frosty wedge
I've been playing this warrior since MC, lol