The goal is to get all 6 up to speed eventually, but my DK is stuck at 80 for Herald of the Titans reasons, so who knows how long it will take.
#protection
wild bolt
sick sentinel
My GM says "Disc priests are better tanks than guardian druids"
frosty wedge
guardian*
they ARE boring
but they also get trucked
and have no utility beyond a single roar
and I guess roots
wild bolt
@frosty wedge Super boring, which is why I went back to my Warrior.
chrome harbor
i think thats the real issue, they're no longer the path of least resistance in terms of power
grim prism
@keen spire raid bosses are mostly single-target, where we are not nearly as crazy throughputwise
fringe marten
Sinister the problem with that is you rarely see other well geared raid tanks, cotanking with you in pugs or whatever. So you rarely get to see what these other 'good' tanks are doing.
keen spire
well nah, I'm not in pugs bro
frosty wedge
yeah I trained through an 8 on my monk last night so easily
keen spire
I lead my own raids n shit
grim prism
But also most people who play prot are bad at it
fringe marten
ok even worse..your cross section of tank comparisons is even smaller.
keen spire
I'm just confused as to why it's listed only right above guardian in terms of dps, but I'm outdpsing fuckin everyone lol
wild bolt
@grim prism That's a common theme I've seen - what is it that they do wrong?
wet compass
guardians have higher representation in m+ and mythic than prots π¦ like double in both
frosty wedge
because you're playing with other poor tanks?
wet compass
6% til my dk is 120 then onto dh
modern brook
because anecdotal evidence is skewed and biased when brough to the larger sample size of a statistical database
fringe marten
^^
grim prism
Dont use cooldowns rotationally, overlap SB with LS, and spam spenders thoughtlessly @wild bolt
wet compass
wonder what people will say when they see the 120 achieve in lord lol
chrome harbor
now that you mention it I havent seen many other prot warriors, its all DKs, DHs and the odd pally
keen spire
Hmm...
fringe marten
'what I've seen is' because you don't see strong players, they often don't play outside of their guild or M+ team.
grim prism
Literally just those three things make the difference between shit-tier and pretty great
modern brook
spam spenders thoughtlessly
grim prism
@keen spire did you see my input
modern brook
is the killer imo
wet compass
aren't there like 2 prot warriors total that have beat a 15?
keen spire
I did @grim prism
modern brook
I know when im going to die because i hit revenge when i shouldnt
chrome harbor
or i derp on a SB charge....
solid mist
completely anecdotal, buta . few times I've gone arms b/c a mythic+ already had a tank. A few times it's been a prot.... they seem to not really use demo shout and shield block a lot... and I was like... gobsmacked. and checking talents some of them just aren't using AM and Bolster and it's like 'WTF ARE YOU DOING'
wild bolt
@grim prism Sure, no SB during LS is obvious (or should be, anyway) - what other cd's shouldn't overlap? Do you overlap anything with SW for instance? (Besides IP, obv.)
grim prism
@wet compass there are like five tanks total that have done above a 15
uneven mason
@solid mist That is why prot has a bad rep tbh, I mean, we're not optimal by any stretch but there are a lot of just bad warriors out there.
chrome harbor
is that a brown sliver i see? were on the map boys!
keen spire
poor fuckin guardians
uneven mason
Lot of that has to do with folks who push keys that high (+15 right now is like 25+ at the end of Legion)
Are using what is optimal
grim prism
@wild bolt honestly i try not to overlap ANYTHING aside from treating demo shout as an uptime buff
uneven mason
IE _ whatever is easier for the returns
grim prism
Chances are you dont need it
uneven mason
BDK obviously has the best utility in grip
prisma crane
i mean, i did a 26 in legion, didnt mean that doing it on a DK wouldn't have been easier
fringe marten
Kingawesome most players period, do not play well. Prot warrior is often especially bad because it takes a substantial amount of manipulation to work well, and you need to use a pretty rigid talent setup atm. So for the casual people that aren't looking at guides, aren't checking the discord, and just pick what 'looks' good and 'try it out' they're getting ruined and think warrior sucks, and make other people think prot warrior sucks.
grim prism
If something hits hard enough that it requires you to use two CDs concurrently, youre going to lose your ass on the backend when you dont have ANY cooldowns up
Overmitigating is what leads to gaps
chrome harbor
also prot is pretty easy to spot when you mess up with it, because youre usually getting brezed
wild bolt
@wild bolt Yeah ok, that makes sense. I know I catch myself spending a SB when I shouldn't sometimes (during a cast,
grim prism
Yeah, a bad monk gets healed, a bad prot gets a repair bill
wild bolt
etc
lusty grotto
Jeez looks like I missed a shitstorm
wild bolt
....I just @jovial sun myself. Woops.
uneven mason
same thing as every day Nim
grim prism
@lusty grotto just the usual
frosty wedge
jesus, this DK did a freehold +16 in 28 mins
lusty grotto
Haha
grim prism
Hi Ed
modern brook
hey ed
fringe marten
Even if you don't do that balsaq you're going to run out of shield block fairly shortly, and have a ~10+ second gap. If you're filling that gap with long powerful cooldowns then you're still trucking down a road that leads to having a window of vulnerability
modern brook
If your fight is lasting longer than 2 shield blocks +LS + shieldblock
lusty grotto
LS is a long cool down?
modern brook
you may have fucked up
fringe marten
not 'long' but lengthy enough
grim prism
I mean, SB > SB > LS > SB > SB is 100% uptime with only ~6 sec downtime before the next SB
frosty wedge
how do you have a 10 second gap in sb? with my current haste it's a 13 sec recharge with 2 charges and it lasts 6 seconds
grim prism
You can fill that with SW if needed
modern brook
i tihnk the only realistic scenario where you cant have 100% effective uptime
grim prism
Or just dont take damage... people act like kiting doesnt exist in M+
modern brook
is like mother or taloc
steel mauve
i mean its pretty much common pl;ace to use last stand as an active mit with bolster now
modern brook
where you're single tanking a long fight
grim prism
Raids is another story but
sick sentinel
At that point, you can use heroic leap
modern brook
exactly my point
in m+ your pull should be dead before you run out of defensives, if its not you pulled too much
in raid 9/10 youll swap before you run out
fringe marten
Right...and you're doing M+ with no pugs who do mediocre dps? you don't pull a pack that lasts longer than it should because someone doesn't interrupt the right ability? You cannot funnel down the path of "everything must go right, and your group must be excellent..then you look decent like other tanks" And I'm not talking about raiding Balsaq, atm the only thing ugly about Uldir is OT'ing fetid devourer.
keen spire
tbh dudes... I think that the biggest issue I see with tanks getting blown up is that they're literally not facing the right direction. I see tanks let themselves get surrounded all the damn time.. it's absurd
modern brook
I guess m+ bosses might be a bitch on real key progression
grim prism
And if the shit is still alive when defensives run out, either make the decision to stop facetanking or get what you deserver
People act like self-heals are why BDK are crushing the leaderboard right now
Its not
Its utility
Prot was built to kite; use it
fringe marten
It's kiting utility and grips/etc and Friggin' CONTROL UNDEAD
sick sentinel
I love OT fetid
fringe marten
You know how insanely OP control undead is in Kings rest?
modern brook
90% snare
cloud bone
Shrines DEEP SMASH is a perfect example
modern brook
ITs enough to make me level my DK dadugan
fringe marten
Yeah we just went through shrine 9, deep smash hurts but wasn't deadly.
grim prism
@fringe marten had ~20 stacks of bleed on Vol'Kal in AD from two MC'd barftrolls last night
sick sentinel
If our TC still had the 50% slow...
fringe marten
You play a DK balsaq?
sand egret
if TC had a 50% slow, I'd never get hit by a mob π
(but yeah, that'd be nuts for kiting)
fringe marten
Who was doing the MC'ing then?
grim prism
The two DK's in my group lol
keen spire
I mean.. is the 20% not enough?
chilly brook
A little of both
fringe marten
Yeah it'd be nuts for kiting right? Super op..good thing No tanks can snare 50% or more, or b e able to fly and glide around easily to kite...and neutralize the need for legitmitately tanking dung..oh wait...they can?
sand egret
20% doesn't create distance, @keen spire
modern brook
Whats your twitch
sand egret
since mobs move 20% faster than you baseline
modern brook
I wanna follow that shit so i can see someone play prot
grim prism
I miss the slow on TC, but we have enough mobility to make up the difference
keen spire
idk I feel like a cursory shockwave with TC gives you enough of a headstart
cloud bone
yeah but I'm lazy and don't wanna use my movement skills to kite lol
I just wanna TC and run
wet compass
not running 4 dk king's rest ew
keen spire
or just TC then HL
prisma crane
except that leaping away real fast, without a real slow down, just means that your DPS have to run to keep up, and ends up being slow all the way around
fringe marten
We only have mobility in small bursts, on a decent CD. We can't aggro kite packs and be invincible like..oh? paladin, DH, DK...
Captain america tanking irritates me...a lot.
chilly brook
It's linked to my profile @modern brook
modern brook
ty
sand egret
but when your healer is nicely positioned to Intercept to to kite.... π
keen spire
^
wild atlas
Is it linked on your MySpace Griff?
lusty grotto
Lol
sand egret
his Geocities profile
ember crest
C'mon guys bring the player not the class! /s
lusty grotto
Buffering
fringe marten
I'm not saying we don't have tools we can use, I'm saying they are so much less convenient to actually 'DOING' a dungeon than other tanks. If M+ is going to be such a huge part of the end game, there needs to be considerations there to even that playing field.
modern brook
IDK does there though?
ember arrow
wet compass
Pft not having a facebook stream in 2018
fringe marten
Levko...that's what I meant by captain america tanking.
prisma crane
M+ 100% needs better balancing
fringe marten
On necro weeks paladins can just shield throw and run around...it does enough damage and threat that they can be a ranged tank literally.
prisma crane
and not just for tanks
wet compass
the real captain america would dual wield shields sounds more like captain communism
old night
DID SOMEONE SAY DUAL SHIELDS
wet compass
god damn right
fringe marten
Did someone say Darksouls Troll meta?
wet compass
spam the blizz twitter spam it
old night
they're too busy stroking DKs and Brewmasters to be bothered
wet compass
1% omg so close
fringe marten
All warrior transmog should change to nothing but sewn together round shields
..then we should get a Samus Aran ball roll move, that has 100% shield block..while we fear bomb the whole zone
lusty grotto
But my immersion
chilly brook
@modern brook I'd also suggest checking out Marok or Sense stream
grim prism
No @fringe marten clearly we just need four charges on SB
Where have you been all day
fringe marten
And all warrior abilities should automatically do heroic throw, at all targets within 100 yards.
like..taunt ....guy in dalaran gets hit with heroic throw~
sand egret
dual shields would be insane for our DPS. Our Damage Per Shield would go through the fuggin' roof
fringe marten
Four charges won't allow me to keep up shield block 100%. I might accidentally use them out of combat with remaining rage AFTER a pull.
fringe marten
....great white buffalo
rip warbringer
my intervene macro I changed before every M+ key
grim prism
I just want to be able to ninjapull entire ikstances with a single click again
sand egret
doesn't that already happen in Waycrest?
fringe marten
Timegated vanilla servers, Make warriors THE ONLY TANK AGAIN
frosty wedge
oh god that 60 grind
grim prism
@sand egreti meant intentionally
modern brook
Wow moves to dark phantasy and implements a stamina based combat system
Souls of Darkcraft
sand egret
hitbox based attacks
old night
fuck quests entirely
fringe marten
No, WoW moves to hyper fantasy and we all get SPIKEY HAIR and insanely giant 2 handers.
old night
lets just grind mobs
sand egret
naw, I want tanking to be a fighting game
fringe marten
Speaking of hitbox based attacks, I legit really liked Wildstar. sad to see it go under.
sand egret
put the skill back in tanking
I worked a bit on Wildstar, so that's nice to hear π
modern brook
this channel would b e ashit show of ppl asking "HOW DO I DO FLASH KICK MOTION?"
sand egret
haha yesss
grim prism
Guys
modern brook
Check the pins would reference a single post that just says "hold back AND down"
grim prism
We complain about hitboxes enough and they arent even supposed to be relevant
Can we pls not
sand egret
@wet compass not as a designer no, but I worked with them
fringe marten
Wildstar had the greatest housing system ever. It was pretty, it was fun. It catered to too difficult a curve for the raid flagging, and I think a lot of people just left when they hit that wall. (The reality of gaming is you HAVE to cater to the casual crowd, they are the majority)
grim prism
Idk why blizzard refuses to make ground markers match hitboxes IN ANY OF ITS GAMES but w/e
wet compass
ah I was in enigma since basically right after they killed sd the raid design was superb
and the combat was awesome
sand egret
π
wet compass
at one point in time I owned every first parse for tanking wars outside of gloom clawn since I always did interrupt bitch duty on that
fringe marten
The leveling was fun, the problem was doing the raid flagging ...your whole group had to be strong. You couldn't have 1 crappy pug guy..he'd ruin the whole thing. And a couple hours of those dungeons was literally exhausting.
wet compass
so no aoe cleave
chilly brook
I just never got into Wildstar really
modern brook
thats cause it died in beta. (note IDK when wildstar died)
grim prism
Shit I barely got into wow π
jovial reef
i quit after level 2
daring marlin
poopstar
modern brook
All I know is that i want to be big and green and yell stuff about honor and victory
Wow is the best outlet for this fetish so i play it
jovial reef
wE WiLl nEvEr bE sLaVeS
modern brook
also seriously
some nerd virigin in the early 90's said "LOK TAR OGAR!" to his friends during their dnd campaign
and it was the coolest thing ever for all eternity
grim prism
inb4 some Old Guard DnDer shit on him for not speaking canonical Orcish and thats what inspired him to make his own game
His name?
Chris Fucking Metzen
Man, this is better than actual wow lore
chrome harbor
to be fair, his stage presence is sorely missed at blizzcon
he had more personality then the rest of the team combined
grim prism
Oh Ion is FULL of personality
chrome harbor
ehhhhhhhh
grim prism
Just not the right kind
jovial reef
you think you want metzen but you don't
chrome harbor
that wasnt me responding, but rather quoting ion.
"ehhhhhhhhhh" - Ion 2018
grim prism
Ion is the center of the venn diagram of skim milk, wonder bread, and smegma
modern brook
All the horde executives left
thats why we have this piss poor excuse for a war that the alliance lost 3 times already were it not for deus ex machina
and why everyone looks like they have the charisma equivalent of trembling while opening a jar of pickles
void sandal
Ion's full personality has been time-gated behind several patch releases and blizzcons so that we can more fully appreciate how its story unfolds
chrome harbor
with random levels of excitement that can warforge
jovial reef
tbh you need 200 iq to appreciate ion's grand schemes
daring marlin
GC was the man
sick sentinel
π
chrome harbor
I did enjoy his 'git gud' comments in all fairness
stark comparison to these days where we're all treated like idiots
nova viper
How do I become a protection warrior god
chrome harbor
I blame the MMORPG market lacking, then my own stockholm syndrome
grim prism
@nova viper build a time machine
But also
Use cooldowns rotationally, dont overlap SB with LS, and dont spam spenders
chrome harbor
and make sure your tmog matches
grim prism
Thats a given
chrome harbor
you'll be playing with the same community that thought a .1% dmg increase from horde racials ment that you had to be horde to play.
thats not fair
livid forge
Do we have the exact numbers as to what percentage of damage we block from shield block?
grim prism
@livid forge yes, it is determined by your block rating and will be visible on your character shewt
modern brook
nothing gets you into +9's besides bad teamates
chrome harbor
join a guild/community
grim prism
Lol oof
modern brook
I dont even look for anything above +5
Just pray for a titan god forge
its more likely to happen
worthy karma
Still no news on prot changes yet eh?
grim prism
@worthy karma itll be a while.
worthy karma
Figured:p just curious if anything more had been said
livid forge
@grim prism ty
grim prism
Lore said "buffs are coming" and our mastery is deleted on PTR
worthy karma
Something more than the sellout lore said
grim prism
Thats all we know
sick sentinel
Hope nothing changes.
void sandal
Sellout?
sick sentinel
I enjoy the 'git gud' requirements of prot.
worthy karma
^^
wide juniper
Except git gud doesn't put you level with gitting gud with another tanking class
worthy karma
@void sandal Lore used to be a great pundit the state of wow, now he's just a PR mouthpiece spewing the same shit he used to complain about
grim prism
You guys cant even imagine the vitriol id be coming up with if i disliked the spec
chrome harbor
Oh warrior discord is a lot more tame then some of the others
Idk how much vitriol you would need to reach their levels
grim prism
Its tame because Ive been tempbammed more times than youve posted here @chrome harbor
grim prism
Officers here like to maintain a semblance of decorum
I once saw Torty call someone a fucking retard because he disagreed with the premise of a question he asked
Just sayin
final mist
Eh, I call you lot idiots, but it's more a term of endearment than actual hostility
prisma crane
π
wet compass
Literally the only reason that the horde has any chance at all in this war is because of horde biased devs lol
void sandal
Maybe for fury. Isn't prot supposed to be like a tactical genius class fantasy?
wet compass
The Alliance's top 5 dwarf the hordes top 5 in power
grim prism
What prot are you playing?
chrome harbor
Arms at least is basically a tactical weapon master
grim prism
We arent even high IQ in real life
chrome harbor
Speaking of tactics, didnβt the boy king try to suicide charge the alliance into oblivion like 3 separate times at lordearon only to be saved at the last minute each time
sick sentinel
π¬
chrome harbor
Anduin fury war confirmed
grim prism
Shouldve let him follow dad off the boat in Legion tbh
void sandal
That's how you learn as a raid leader. You get everyone killed and then ask what went wrong
grim prism
Real RLs know that their DPS dont know the answer to that
void sandal
If anyone died it's because they stood in the green fire aka they need to git gud
chrome harbor
In my experience if you donβt specifically tell dps to breath theyβll suffocate
neon tangle
Hey I actually had a healer wipe us the other day
I had my zul blood stacks
got life gripped back in to the raid
grim prism
My last RL usually just linked the live logs after every wipe and said ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Granted that guild is crumbling to shit now and everyone loathes him
But they are world top 200 for prog so good for him I guess?
Wow this was a fun trip dowm memory lane
cinder pasture
Soooo, how good/bad is this ?
final mist
Bad.
grim prism
Great for damage
wide juniper
no bueno
grim prism
Bad overall
steel mauve
Sounds like a toxic environmon, i usually just linked screenshots of very important information in our logs channel and how to fix the important parts and explained what they were, back when i was top 200 raid leading
wet compass
huh that's like the god tier two hand but for prot probably not great
Also Anduin can't help what the horde biased devs make him do
sick sentinel
Its bad.
cinder pasture
Thanks, kind of figured..too bad, since its so high ilvl π
sick sentinel
pvp maybe lol
wet compass
I think even genn in full beast rage mode would have yelled at the gnomes to bring some gasmasks
grim prism
I mean at 370 its probably better than what you had equipped
wet compass
We have seen how to beat the blight just mass produce gas masks and laugh at sylv
grim prism
But in a vacuum its pretty shit
waxen cradle
Dum Dum want Gum Gum you have Gum Gum
prisma crane
@waxen cradle you trollhunter you
wet compass
lol I only got two whispers out of 20 people saying wtf about me hitting 120 in lord π¦
waxen cradle
lol @prisma crane
fringe marten
Have you guys stopped to think about how unfortunate it is... That Onyx never had another hit outside of 'Slam' ?
chilly brook
No but I do think about how unfortunate it is that shield slam doesn't purge
wet compass
why do you like to think about that it's saddening π¦
fringe marten
I know right?
They were poised to bridge the gap between the exploding early hip hop scene, and the rock crowd.
Had they lasted longer you might have started to see some crazy shows like the Onyx/Pantera Tour.
grim prism
I just found out last weekend that the guy from the Hawaii Five-O reboot was in a rap group with Alchemist in '93
The guy that's related to James Caan, not the other one
fringe marten
So like..2 more degrees of seperation and you get to kevin bacon right?
grim prism
What rap group was he in?
fringe marten
FootLoose crew?
grim prism
FooLooKroo*
grim prism
its not bad
i mean, it's terrible
but it's good at being bad
it's like an American telenovela
obtuse venture
spriest discord made a big post about spec issues on reddit. i think maybe we should do something similar.
sick sentinel
heh
old night
Prot Warriors for Dual Shields: The Megathread
subtle egret
Ya man. Glad Stance or Dual Shields. Give us one or the other!
void sandal
I don't think we have as many fundamental issues as shadow. Our kit is fine, they just need to dial the numbers to sensible values
neon tangle
I don't think there's enough real consensus about what the issues w/ prot are
Everyone has their own theory
"Need leggo bracers"
"need more IP"
"IP off the GCD"
chrome harbor
broadly speaking it sounds like overall people want a smoother rotation with things that scale properly
though I dont think just that will fix representation as long as we lack utility and have a risk/reward playstyle
which isnt an issue imo
subtle egret
Hell Id settle for not being locked into Booming Voices
neon tangle
If you want my actual bet we will simply see more baseline DR and less on SB
so smooth it out a bit, and punish less optimal play less
(My pet theory is that crit block makes high SB uptime hard to balance as well)
subtle egret
Im having such a derp moment trying to figure out what DR is.
chrome harbor
damage reduction
void sandal
Doodoo rocks. How many lumps are in a warrior's pants after a failed mythic
ember crest
DR usually refers to diminishing returns, weird to see it used for dmg reduc
steel mauve
Dmg reduction, diminishing returns
chrome harbor
its a tank discord specific thing you get used to
ember crest
i would think mitigation would be the better word there
steel mauve
Mitigation is usually coined as a term for an ability, a mitigation ability or an ability that gives passive mitigation
subtle egret
Ya that was what messed me up. Never really dived deep into the tanking side, always more of a pvper so it defaults to diminishing returns.
prisma crane
both are used here, context matters lol, DR on stuns is relevant for us
obtuse venture
i think they need to really buff our mitigation against unblockable damage. there just seems to be so much of it everywhere now that a tank who cannot deal with it properly just fails at tanking completely
i also feel like self sustain and generally being self sufficient is almost a mandatory characteristic for tanks in 10+ keys. I'd be alright with warrior tanks not pulling 9k HPS as long as our raw mitigation can make up for that.
prisma crane
some tanks are used to taking more dmg than others while making up for it via heals, this makes stuff like blockable hits somewhere we can shine, but real tank busters so far are magic and bleeds, and bleeds hit the same no matter what, we have IP for it (lol...) whereas for them it's essentially regular hits in the dmg territory so it still hurts, but not as painful
in legion we made up for it with IP, but we also could spam it with very high rage gains
and, fortified imo is the new tyrannical
so missed interrupts and stuff.... dead
obtuse venture
true krotos
ember crest
have they said if we were supposed to fill some specific niche? i mean we do more damage than every other tank right? is that supposed to be our thing?
vocal nimbus
Forti is the new tyrannical at these levels
obtuse venture
i think DH have similar aoe dmg and single target we're not ahead of other tanks
vocal nimbus
Wait for real tyr nightmare π
obtuse venture
also i think our aoe dmg only comes from a specific CD/talent combo namely avatar + bolster. without that i dont think our aoe is amazing
ember crest
depends on the group you are running with to be sure, but i was mostly curious if blizz has stated where we are 'supposed' to fit in specifically, if anything, other than just tanking
obtuse venture
unstoppable force rather
ember crest
my guess would just be high skill cap tank with solid active mitigation when played perfectly
obtuse venture
if we're a high skill cap tank then playing it perfectly should yield the highest effectiveness out of all tanking classes or else there's no point in being a high skill cap class
ember crest
i get comments from people all the time that my healing is easier than our DH, and others, but that's only when i'm spot on with my timings and placement, i still hate that when dragging mobs they will sometimes reposition behind you, i remember the patch when they changed that waaaay back, its super annoying
vocal nimbus
You can kinda avoid that last part
Mobs do that because the AI cant find a route to your position
ember crest
sorry i know its kind of random to mention that, but was curious if that annoyed anyone else
vocal nimbus
It is something blizzard thought to avoid exploits and cheesing
A pretty radical measure to be honest
Just jumping some stairs to a lower place makes you teleport back
ember crest
stutter stepping a few times usually fixes it, theres just that 1/1000 times its on a +10 M pack that all get one white hit on your back
the salt is great
void sandal
Repositioning mobs just doesn't feel great right now. Trying to to place rezan is more painful than it should be. Trying to lure ironhull out of his rune while staying in it yourself is nearly impossible
ember crest
yea the ground runes are particularly annoying
having them turn on their y-axis while being stationary is the issue
void sandal
It almost feels like the mobs have a grid snapping behaviour, where if you move them past the threshold their movement snaps to the next spot on the grid, which might be behind you
iron forum
yeah, that boss fight in particular feels so bad trying to reposition in the runes, im glad its not just me because it SEEMS like that should be trivial to do
ember crest
you would think the ai would be doing something as simple as , if X player is in melee range, do not move, etc
vocal nimbus
I got tired of it and now i face tank or kite
ember crest
just turn etc
tall needle
hello all
frosty wedge
heya @tall needle
tall needle
hows it going?
I want to apologize ahead of time if I ask something dumb. I'm brand new to prot warrior as of this week.. just leveled mine to 120, hit 120 yesterday and got up to 330ilvl last night.
iron forum
better to ask a question that seems dumb and know how to play your class better for it than to end up tanking facedown on the ground because you didn't, if more people admitted when they didn't know a mechanic and asked about it the game would be a much better place
tall needle
so maybe i've been talking to the wrong people etc but what exactly is the stat priority for prot warrior? Is icy veins safe to follow in that regard?
iron forum
haste is best, than mastery or vers with crit being the poop
tanking doesn't really have set stat weights like dps does though
chilly brook
Yes icy veins is fine
split flint
Stats are very close
chilly brook
Same guy who owns the server wrote it
tall needle
for example, I have 2 shields, 1 is mastery crit and the other is haste crit.. same ilvl.. I'm assuming I go with haste crit?
chilly brook
That being said
split flint
Honestly just stack higher ilvl if not go by the priority if same ilvl
chilly brook
Ilvl>everything
iron forum
for shields is always higher ilvl, block is super important
split flint
Blockades and versitility trinket are BiS survivability trinkets.
iron forum
oh, same ilvl
chilly brook
Yes haste crit in that situation
signal plover
@shut summit gratz on fetid
fair root
Is the ilevel > everything still true for rings where theres no main stat?
chilly brook
Generally yes
Unless youβre looking at a 5ilvl upgrade from best to worst
At the end of the day with prot even if you just blindly follow ilvl over all with rings the loss of your best secondary on them isnβt whatβs going to get you killed
shut summit
Thx
vocal nimbus
Its safe to drop up to 10 ilvl on rings to get better secondaries
tall needle
crit vers or crit mast on belt?
vocal nimbus
If both are the same ilvl i'd try to balance mastery and vers
real thunder
Any blizz announcement on their prot updates yet? Like what they are going to do.
real thunder
k, thx
solid mist
Hey guys so is it worth dual wielding shields with only 13% haste?
frosty wedge
lol
sacred roost
If you've unlocked king's rest on 1 character, it's open for all your characters, right?
obtuse venture
yep
stoic kite
steelskin or str battle potion anyone know?
daring marlin
BURSTING BLOOD
junior ivy
im tanking mythic taloc in 25 mins
what should i know
actually im the person who soaks the bloods
not tanking the boss itself
simple kiln
As a prot warrior I typically taunt to place cudgle since we can leap and imtercept
So that's a handy prot thing if your other tank is a Pala or Dk or bear
junior ivy
other tank is monk
simple kiln
Oh then be bored and know you will never get debuff so you can always help the tank soak! :]
steel mauve
nothing else is really added though, just soak when you get the debuff with players who dont have the debuff
steel mauve
its a debuff that does a fuck load of dmg split between everyone in the aoe
junior ivy
therws a cudgel thing?
steel mauve
you should probably look at the tank notes in the pins then...
pallid axle
how to mitigate zul blood debuff in phase 2?
waxen cradle
Monk is technically just as good as us at the cudgle retrieve so either can do it.... just be careful to not get launched off the elevator when it starts moving
junior ivy
so like wait
when do i taunt boss
do we both stand in cone
or just him
im still confused
waxen cradle
if you do just heroic leap and hope they do not wipe... which tanks on the elevator do not have to soak bloods any dps with a decent cd can do them
steel mauve
either right before cudgel goes off or when the other tank gets the debuff
what the fuck
there is no cone
junior ivy
someone said cone
pallid axle
it is a cone^^
junior ivy
ok so like. wait. can i stack with othger tank and taunt at 1 stack or should i stand to the side of boss
pallid axle
heroic just solotank it
junior ivy
no no tis mythic
steel mauve
when does the cone happen on taloc?
pallid axle
if the other tank has the cudgel charge just stay as far away as possible cause its fallof dmg π
pallid axle
then he got the heart debuff
waxen cradle
More or less the new mechanic for M is a mechanic that puts Enlarged heart on the main tank, and when it happens people have to stack with him to soak the damage. A debuff also goes out on the rest of the raid called Hardened Arteries whoever has that cannot stack with the Enlarged Heart debuff or you will cause a wipe
pallid axle
yes/no if no tank got the heart debuff its fine to stack
junior ivy
so i taunt when he gets debuff?
steel mauve
tank always gets the heart debuff and 2 players always get the arteries debuff at the exact same time
pallid axle
shared
junior ivy
and what do i do whe ni get cudgelk
waxen cradle
nope after the Enlarged heart explosion goes off on the main tank
pallid axle
cat the cudgel is normal/heroic baseline ability u should know what to do if u tank mythic xD
junior ivy
i never tanked him on normal or heroic, i always soa kbloods
im alwys the useless tank
so i didnt bother learning his mechanics
pallid axle
just face him onto a hugfe pile of blood then after he charges to ur postion gtf out of there π
steel mauve
your guild still should have made you taunt off for the cudgel...
pallid axle
i use it to get in
junior ivy
huh, ive nevere taunted for cudgel, boss just rusn follows other tank
and runs to follow him back
pallid axle
pop spell reflect when he charges u^^
junior ivy
ok i will try my besttt
steel mauve
and yes, both the enlarged heart and arteries happen at the same time
pallid axle
anyways somehere who can help me with zuls blood dmg in the second phase ^^??
steel mauve
arteries players move out of the raid, enlarged heart tank stacks on all the players who are not debuffed
jagged bay
use externals and maybe 3 tank the fight airback
solid mist
oh shit you guys hear to replace the threat nerf we are getting dual shields?
broken kite
Why not just buff low damage tanks
daring marlin
pretty hype for them double shields boys
final mist
Regarding the PTR changes: There are a few important things to remember here. One is that these are PTR changes, and may or may not be final. They're a work-in-progress and this is the first iteration.
Often, these are tooltip updates or behind-the-scenes changes, as with the Taunt change or the Shield Block change (SB gets an extra charge during leveling, no it was not nerfed, yes we still have 2 charges). Again, these are often a work-in-progress, as we will likely see multiple different changes to multiple different abilities.
Any doomsdaying, overbearing memes, or trolling will be dealt with swiftly.
subtle egret
How swiftly is swiftly? Cause Id like to at least see those overbearing memes before they are removed.
earnest zinc
I just hope they get it right with us this time
raven kernel
Gonna laugh my ass off if we somehow become the best tank
subtle egret
Lmao
raven kernel
And we get flooded with bandwagoners
earnest zinc
We deserve it after the hell we went through
subtle egret
If they make it a more passive playstyle we could very likely become the best pug tank
while progression raiders would still go to the DK/DH
subtle egret
Ah not a raider, thought I saw some posts about how DH was one of the 2 busted tanks for all content
amber siren
has fetid even been killed with anything other than brm yet?
raven kernel
Warrior now passively block 20% of physical attacks, all they time. Shield block reworked to increase block value
Something like that might push us over brews
Kappa
subtle egret
Additionally blocks will add a thorns like damage.
Pull trash pack then go grab my hot pocket.
final mist
Every tank class has killed Fetid.
earnest zinc
On mythic?
final mist
Yes.
earnest zinc
Maybe as MT but good luck on thrash
I guess prot warrior could do it
The other 4 not so sure
final mist
The question wasn't Thrash, it was, "Has every tank killed Fetid?", to which the answer is, "Yes, at least one of every class has done Fetid, the fight."
earnest zinc
Seems thrash is Monk >> Warrior > everyone else
void sandal
question: why does simming talents in AMR lead me away from the One True Build?
raven kernel
Good luck with mythic thrash as dh
final mist
Because AMR is a piece of shit that no one should ever touch with a 100 foot pole, let alone tanks.
void sandal
ok so what do people use now
steel mauve
we dont
void sandal
raidbots
amber siren
You can't sim prot warrior dps anyway
void sandal
oh
final mist
Tanks don't use anything to sim defensively.
earnest zinc
Warrior is the strongest non-broken tank for thrash. Monk is BROKEN for it
final mist
Raidbots is used for DPS, but we don't have working DPS sims.
steel mauve
99% of the time we should just use our brains
earnest zinc
Stagger allows you to ignore the thrash burst mechanic entirely
steel mauve
also regarding the taunt "change" it still is going to generate extra threat from your abilities, they are just making it to where all tool tips are consistent, and just not going to state it
earnest zinc
Blocking allows you to take significantly less damage than the other tanks, but you will still need to be topped off
Then as a third I guess Druids
void sandal
so regarding trying to optimize gear for dps, if not amr than what tool?
amber siren
you can't for prot warriors atm
amber siren
that's not what he asked
raven kernel
Stagger requires tons of healing for thrash
It's just safer
Won't have your ot suddenly die
void sandal
@steel mauve that's not a productive answer for balancing a series of equations.
steel mauve
well youve been told multiple times we cant, and keep asking
raven kernel
Minmaxing prot dps uhhh
Just do your avatar window properly and you'll be 95% of max possible dps anyway
steel mauve
we cant, there are no working sims, no pawn string, nothing has been done to create any coding, its on the to do list, but its behind a lof of other things
final mist
Use your highest ilevel gear and a good DPS trinket
Which is Rezan's
There's your simming
earnest zinc
Avatar will be "fun" to use if they nerf the taunt threat
void sandal
I've been told that AMR isn't something that should be used when I asked a question about the prot spec. I'm asking what tools should be used for general-purpose gear projection outside of and including the prot spec if applicable
steel mauve
literally ilvl over every thing outside of trinkets, easy
final mist
We do not have any tools currently capable of simming us in a satisfactory fashion.
raven kernel
For arms fury, use raidbots
final mist
For survival or DPS.
earnest zinc
My pally co-tank already has no chance of getting aggro at the start if I pre-pot and avatar on the pull
void sandal
thank you
earnest zinc
Then again he is 10 ilvls lower
steel mauve
i always pull aggro
no matter what, ill play like im slow and hold back about half a second every gcd and still take it
astral crystal
rofl these patch notes for tomrrow
(Protection) Reinforced Plating: Strength increased by 10%.
th-thanks blizzard
iron forum
they said there will be more extensive buffs coming to prot in the coming weeks
iron forum
yeah I was hoping for a lot more when I heard "first round of azurite changes" too than a handful of 10% changes
astral crystal
i just dont see the point of increasing it by 10%
outer dew
do the ole classic +50% str blizzard
junior ivy
so i did taloc mythic
tanked it
and that was
so bad.
i am so bad.
it was just bad
raven kernel
What
junior ivy
it took us 4 pulls i think
during the lst pull., where he died
i died 3 times.
i was dead entire last phase
junior ivy
first to bleeding heart or whatever its called
then to walking throuhg so much blood on elevator phase trying to soak adds
raven kernel
Dying to heart is your raids fault
junior ivy
then to trying to put the cudgel in the blood
the blood killed me as i tried to get out
obtuse venture
wait they said there will be extensive buffs coming to prot in the coming weeks? when?
junior ivy
so like
as prot warrior
how do i survive the blood on the floor
on mythic taloc
cause omg it hurts me
steel mauve
wait til literally the last second or try to use an external for it, it doesnt happen often
wheat bronze
Don't stand in it?
wheat bronze
Nah
junior ivy
casue ranged is on other end of platform
steel mauve
not realy
raven kernel
Just stay out
raven kernel
Charge in get bounced
steel mauve
should have enough slows and stuns to have ranged kill it
astral crystal
pop SR+ IP
wheat bronze
You can wait until they are closer
junior ivy
what about when im putting cudglet in blood
raven kernel
You have charge and leap
raven kernel
Don't wade thru blood unless you have nothing
stone crag
the blood knocks you back
raven kernel
The blood bumps u out
wheat bronze
Sounds like your ranged are poorly positioned
steel mauve
intervene a friendly to get out, dont walk....
stone crag
most of the time it should be far enough out or you can intercept back out
wheat bronze
If you are doing cudgel
Run to the spot and leap out to avoid the damage from cudgel
junior ivy
im scared oi wont get to it in time if i run to it
wheat bronze
Theres plenty of time
wheat bronze
Tank in the center of the room
No
Well, yes
But there's travel time
You can leap as he is charging
junior ivy
but therews like 2-3 sdeconds when i make it into blood but his cast isnt finished
and im waiting for him to start charging
raven kernel
It's really easy @@
junior ivy
we havent even killed last 2 bosses on heroic yet
so im really surprised we even killed him
wheat bronze
Both taloc and mother are gimmes on mythic
We were 2/8m before we were 8/8h
Mainly because ghuun is aids with 30 and mostly melee
wheat bronze
Not enough people to spawn orbs for tanks
We 3 tank it and have the 3rd tank stand in bad to spawn orbs even with 30
Did you 2 or 3 tank zul?
junior ivy
2 tanked zul
wheat bronze
The bleed is much easier to handle with 3 tanks
junior ivy
we only kileld zul cause like 6 people from our guilds main raid team (we are B raid) felt bad and came to jhelp us
help
wheat bronze
Do you have paladins?
wheat bronze
I take a 6 stack of the bleed and just bop it off
But without paladins, it really is easier to just 3 tank cause the debuff scales with raid size and huuurts
wheat bronze
Well, were tanks dying or why was it hard?
junior ivy
we couldnt even get to p2 before trhe other raiders came to help lol
too overwhelmed by adds
sweet orchid
Means you have really low dps
sweet orchid
Uh... No?
wheat bronze
Yes
sweet orchid
Zul is an AoE fight until P2
wheat bronze
Priority add that gets blown up
junior ivy
the raid leader of the good raid team told us its single target
rotund wadi
I'm just leveling up. Love the idea of plate armor and tanking. But getting worried about what happens end game. I doubt I ever have time enough to do much more than Mythic 5 or normal raid. Am I ok? Or is prot war that bad?
junior ivy
he stressed that
wheat bronze
Then back on zul
junior ivy
prot warrior can do +5s and normal raids fine
wheat bronze
It is NOT aoe
junior ivy
plenty of us do +10s regularly and heroic/mythic raiding
sweet orchid
Yeah, everyone AoEs adds on Zul so he gets damage too, then single target Zul when adds go down. Rinse repeat til P2
wheat bronze
The crawgs don't matter
sweet orchid
Theydo when they blow up
wheat bronze
They will eventually die
tired garden
anyone have a def stance shield macro?
stone crag
π€
raven kernel
Wow classic isn't out yet
prisma night
im actually pissed "throw rock" in tol dagor isnt blockable
it was 3rd on my dmg taken...
only behind quaking and attack of course
manic sentinel
anyone heard anything on prot changes since the blue post?
uneven mason
Won't be any more information until at least tomorrow
iron forum
lmao yeah fuck those guys in tol, if someone would have told me that some of the most dangerous trash in the game would literally just throw pebbles at me over and over id have laughed at them
not most dangerous overall, but most dangerous unavoidable dmg
slate vine
Those cunts are the boosted version of those greek trashs from Neltharion's lair that kept throwing frisbees at your face
This ain't the olympic yet, stop giving us such mobs
shut aspen
Teeming affix is rough π¦
broken kite
Throw coin prepatch ptsd
obtuse venture
A lot of mobs in motherlode also have unblockable unavoidable damage. i think the last and 2nd to last boss also have unbloackble auto attacks i think
signal plover
Ya
knotty ermine
Boy I sure am loving "Battle for Bankspace for All This Azerite Gear You Need To Hold Onto Because We gonna Be Changing Stuff" so far
daring patrol
tuesday cache has become "pray for an azerite piece" day
daring marlin
yep
iron forum
same, didn't get an azerite piece either of the first two weeks and they said there is "bad luck protection" on it
daring marlin
lol
good fucking meme my dude
I'm hoping for double azerite
M+ cache and pvp cache D"
D:
iron forum
the fact that im a 1800 scrub in pvp and i have better azerite pieces from that than from any pve content is pretty sad
knotty ermine
I got the exact same ring, same ilevel even, in this past weeks PVP cache that was in there the week before
Immediately sharding an item from one of the two chests feelsamazingman
daring marlin
I got a trinket this week
a poop trinket at that
the vers/str on proc one zzz
wish it was the on-use one lol
crystal night
How do you guys feel about all the Reddit posts saying prot warriors are in need of buffs?
manic sentinel
feelsgood
fickle kiln
I still feel like IP costs too much rage
sick sentinel
anyone here at 50k unbuffed IP cap yet?
fickle kiln
Mines at like 30k 32k
daring marlin
40k for me
digital arrow
LOL horse dust
fickle kiln
No bid deal dk can outheal healers
tiny sphinx
the horse is dead, buried, and reduced to its base hydrocarbons at this point
sacred roost
Still nothing on the prot buff's, huh?
candid cove
jello
topaz ember
All you need to do to fix warriors is make VR cost rage and be alble to cast it when ever
round vortex
sacred roost
I need to find a haste/verra sword.
topaz ember
just make it cost like 40 rage
sacred roost
that would make prot like a blood dk in pvp π
prot paladin.prot warriors duels would never end
manic sentinel
lol idk even at 40 rage theyd have to reduce the healing
daring marlin
dueling people as a prot warrior at the end of legion was a good ass meme
with bracers and 2pc antorus?
lel
manic sentinel
20% max health heal we'd be unkillable
sacred roost
and that's why it won't even happen
sacred roost
I'd like to see them make the duration on DC stack, so if you had 3 items with it, you could keep dc up 100% of the time.
topaz ember
ip at 50% is fine it just the current absorb sheild is so bad it gets taken away with 1 mele hit
sacred roost
err, demo up, not dc.
manic sentinel
yeah but htey want diversity in azerite traits
manic sentinel
better than 1 lol
topaz ember
what if we could drink the blood of our enemies and heal or be able to delay dmg and get rid of the dmg with some sort of brew
sacred roost
dc has to be there, so that's not a choice, the Bfi or If, nothing else really works
manic sentinel
idk ill take iron fortress as a seondary to dc if the ilvl is high enough
i dont think its a deal breaker like dc is
sacred roost
think it depends what your doing, I think 4 secondds of extra demo on like, a 4-6 man pack will outdo IF by a ton, mechanically.
manic sentinel
no im ean the shield slam trait
sacred roost
Bfi?
manic sentinel
yeah
ive still got my shit 340 shoulders for dc
but dropped bfi on my chest for 370 with iron fortress
sacred roost
IF and Bfi are close I think.
but recommneded is DC with 2 Bfi, I think
with azerite viens secondary? although, not much with that on it.
manic sentinel
yeah i just dont think bfi is worth 25 ilvl like dc tho
sacred roost
I'm honestly not sure what the ilvl amount for each trait is, icy kinda hints that ilvl trumps all
but I would think that wouldn't apply on azerite pc's
stone crag
ilevel is likely to be better than all but DC
shut summit
yep
tight tree
Icyveins guide is written by Marok
He is owner of this discord
IV really stepped up, they hired actual good authors for guides in BfA so you can trust them now
gleaming viper
yeah i heard they are working with most of the class discord owners more now
im a warlock and spoiled with lockonestopshop
tight tree
Speaking of which, WoW really should have HUGE tooltip when new players start the game, "GO TO IV AND READ GUIDE FOR YOUR CLASS"
because game does shit all to explain how classes actually plays
fickle kiln
Just swap around the tier 1 talents. We cant impending victory over 15% haste buff
obtuse venture
watch them nerf the 15% haste to the ground "to make it not mandatory"
tight tree
My biggest fear, is that. They nerf our good talents to not be "mandatory", and all talents will be equally shite.
Hope they are smart and buff Ravager instead. Will solve all our problems. /s
ionic fern
They will put another mandatory talent on the same row with Bolster so you need to pick between 2 good talents and call it a day.
π
obtuse venture
bolster unstoppable force and into the fray all put on one row for "balance"
tight tree
Ravager - sit on your shield and spin around, hitting everyone in 15 yards for 1 damage. Mobs are laughing and cannot attack. Last 10 seconds.
If they fuck up our talents like this, there are classes with actual interesting talent choices out there.
I'll just respec arms on warrior and play arena exclusively lul
rich robin
Iβm so glad dtrength has been increased!
azure perch
crisp pecan
ionic fern
?
sweet orchid
Anyone else remember the day patch 3.0 hit? How broken op prot was before it was hotfox nerfed?
Shield slams one shotting people
Good times
pearl saddle
we arnt supported on raidbots. sad boys
dull granite
does sword and board (pvp talent) increase devastator crit chance?
tight tree
I dont even care about damage sims. Hard to survive as it is π
pearl saddle
is it? lol use your buttons
amber siren
just don't die π
midnight raft
@sweet orchid I remember that. There was a Warlock who kept challenging me to duels. On patch day, we had another one. Instead of him fearchaining me, I revenge-stunned his ass into horrible doom. He never challenged me again.
I miss Revenge Stun π¦
sweet orchid
That shit was the best
Prot was a monster in pvp
Armed to the teeth giving strength for that one day was so hilariously overpowered
midnight raft
I respecced Arms from Prot a week ago. Time to go back and simply accept that my Troll is like Captain Darkspear. He needs his shield :). It was just fun actually doing PuG Mythics and not hearing "sorry, we want a DH / DK tank"
tight tree
@pearl saddle Typically i would care about damage after i can survive stuff no probs. Currently warriors cannot afford to sacrifice mitigation for damage in hard content.
If you care about parsing on DPS but die on bosses, you are shit tank and a burden to your guild.
And warrior is simple, you just avatar and do great damage with highest ilvl gear you have. Not much to optimize at this point.
lapis pasture
hasty sapphire
I play my warrior fully offensive and Killed 3 mythic Bosses so far. If you actually use or skills right and call for externals its Not that Bad. Even vectis with his Magic debuffs is pretty managerable. I dont really get all The βwe cant surviveβ mentality in this Channel since BfA
stone crag
the obvious answer is, it's not always about the class it's about the player playing the class
copper path
I got recked on Mother adds yesterday π¦
shrewd bronze
Prot warr is totally viable if you don't miss a single global and do your resource management right (not talking about rage, talking about literally all resources available)
You're not supposed to run out of a defensive for crucial moments
@copper path Mythic?
copper path
yes on Mythic
obtuse venture
so basically if you play prot warrior perfectly you are about as good as the average monk tank
sick sentinel
with higher dps π
midnight raft
Not to mention healers prefer when DKs heal themselves to such a degree that they outheal the healer.
compact mirage
I'm not that sure about all the DK hps talk. DK has high hps because he is a health sponge in first place.
tight tree
Well i am not that good to play PERFECT all the time. I agree that if you cover every gap in mitigation with CD/external, and your raid plays perfectly, you will take less damage and be easy to heal. In practice, this kind of play is unsustainable (in our raid at least π€£ )
upbeat folio
A little tuning could be helpful, so we're not complete GCD monsters.
tight tree
I am getting wrecked mostly because our raid taking lot of unnessesary damage, putting strain on healers
I would say i can play warrior well in 90% of time. Not perfect but well.
But if i have 3 externals in raid and healers use them on DPS as ohshit buttons, i hardly can call for them. Happens pretty often.
Yeah @upbeat folio i find it ridiculous that i am supposed to calculate every GCD beforehand. That is simply not fun.
upbeat folio
I aspire to be good at it, but I had to stop logging onto my monk altogether lest I start getting emotional about the skill vs output disparity.
tight tree
Rather i have general pattern of fight in my head, i know when stuff coming and hold my stuff if needed. But to do it on locked GCD-basis is bit too much.
upbeat folio
Yeah, the moment something goes wrong, your careful calculations get messy and you fall back on rhythm which is just no bueno.
tight tree
We started mythic prog, after raid we (me and my RL/tank officer) decided that i will play monk for progression. Easier on healers, and it is so OP, would be stupid not to use.
Simple as that.
I would not do it, but monk just plays better atm, even if it does not have this OOMPH feeling of warrior.
upbeat folio
My big issue is that it's... boring
Which sucks, because I can't seem to play my warrior at the 100% necessary.
Can you basically ruin the monk rotation and so long as you hit keg smash and blackout on cooldown, you'll get most of your DPS and durability yield.
serene shuttle
Anyone else having like shitty luck with shields dropping? I've been doing m0s and m+'s of the dungeons that drop shields basically since BFA launched and I still have a 325 shield -_-
obtuse venture
just rng. not much to say
elfin apex
buy a 350 from AH then you will get one straight away from the first M+
tight tree
@upbeat folio Have to keep ISB up 100%. You can still die if you not purifying in right moments (and healers are occupied elsewhere). But feels 200% more safe. But overall flow just so smooth, you dont feel GCD at all, Some say monk is boring, but i personally don't think so.
Warrior is 1st place fun wise, because it feels so HEAVY, with OOMPH to it. That is amazing. Monk is just smootth flow-y feeling.
@serene shuttle I just have 350 AH shield. Since Uldir start i rolling coins on weap boss+shield boss. Zero luck so far ;/
raven kernel
Guild took in a bdk trial, guess I'm going back to mainspec dps π
unreal scaffold
Atleast arms is decent
zealous crest
guys, is it worth having 2x brace for impact?
obtuse venture
Yes
the block and ss dmg stacks
BiS traits are suppose to be 2x brace 1x deafening crash
prisma night
Archive is better than brace at 500 haste iirc
ionic ridge
First I'll have to figure out how to drop crit...
Blizz give us back reforging already :-
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vital wren
One day passes out, prot warr has pending nerfs, wp blizz.. Whoever told me yesterday I'm doomsaying should get a moldy bread
prisma night
What are you talking about...
tight tree
Well you ARE doomsaying. They promised to buff us.
amber siren
Am I missing something, I don't even see any nerfs posted at all?
stone crag
i guess people see mastery removal as a nerf Β―_(γ)_/Β―
amber siren
ionic ridge
@vital wren What nerfs are you talking about ?
Poeple need to understand that fucking PTR is basicly a draft book
They test and change stuff every minute
so
prisma night
Is basically not even worth looking at for this stage of testing
ionic ridge
Yep
It's just to have an idea of how they're thinking
Like, changing our mastery is a good idea
sick sentinel
it either make us useless or totaly op.
ionic ridge
@sick sentinel based on ... ?
sick sentinel
When they offen change things. They either make it very strong or to weak....And the they use few weeks to make it scale prober....
junior igloo
No need to worry guys, it's just PTR.
Everything will be fine, it's only Beta.
This is only prepatch guys, BfA is not even live yet.
sick sentinel
nothing bad ment...
ionic ridge
@sick sentinel What possible kind of data have you gotten that all the planet didn't get to be able to say that " it either make us useless or totaly op. "
sick sentinel
and im sure it gonna be more a buff than a nerf tho witht he mastery
sick sentinel
they do agree
ionic ridge
It could turn out horribly wrong