there is a right way to face?
#protection
old night
digital arrow
siege mode and u hurl out weapon throw
glossy bramble
i want it to be like mount and blade
wet compass
If there are any devs in here give us a mastery that let's us use more shields for every 5% we get
chrome harbor
ever turn your back to a nasty pack/boss?
glossy bramble
equip 2 shields and one stays on your back and makes you invincible from behind
wet compass
so you start out with two shields then you can get more shields you become a massive armored goliath that stacks haste and mastery
old night
š
chilly brook
Lol
split flint
Dude if they give us two shields thatād be busted
glossy bramble
shields as oversized knee/elbow pads
split flint
Just rework the kit a bit
wet compass
So eventually we have warriors with 20 plus shields in their bags
dark junco
Iād take a LoS ability like in LoL with the sword dude
glossy bramble
skiing on shield shoes
split flint
Ezpz
neon tangle
shields as skiis
old night
8.1 change "Mastery: Will of the shield - Mastery now increases the size of your shields"
chilly brook
Shields as helmets
glossy bramble
shield on your back and front, shield hat
wet compass
and it's just this figure covered in randomly sticking out shields
chrome harbor
to be fair theres a lotta small ass shields in the game
glossy bramble
shield pauldrons
neon tangle
"What's the mastery breakpoint to get my 4th shield?"
dark junco
^
glossy bramble
hold up I think we just invented armor
old night
Thats a question you need to ask thyme or sal
chilly brook
āBags? I donāt need bags just put it in my backpack made of shieldsā
dark junco
What is it?
brave jetty
Wait, what's the deal with the 8.1 change for us that was datamined?
SB no longer crit blocks?
wet compass
the shields go on top of armor silly shred
brave jetty
I assume this has been dealt with in here already?
split flint
āAfter 25% mastery shield slide is unlocked, you gain 100% movespeed and are immune to daze effectsā
dark junco
Anyone wanna ping Thyme on the shitpost?
brave jetty
I see in the pins it's just tooltip changes but it doesn't read like that to me
that's actual functionality
chilly brook
I mean lemme just tell you something about data mining
old night
Heroic Leap is now shield slide. Get some Tony Hawk shit up in here
chrome harbor
you can also shieldboard down downward inclines
glossy bramble
heroic leap does a sick olley
chrome harbor
im glad our head went to the same place lol
wet compass
dear god yes
wide juniper
I'd love to kickflip my shield into a mob to stun it
glossy bramble
fuck yeah
old night
the more spins you do the more damage you mitigate
chilly brook
Remember beta when we went through like 4 different iterations of IP and then a completely different version of bolster?
split flint
Skater warrior confirmed
chilly brook
Yea treat data mining like that
old night
vids in 2019 show a 1080 during a boss FUCK THAT MITIGATION BRO
grim prism
@brave jetty the mastery change was removal of mastery. Crit block is our mastery. It is the same change.
wet compass
he was a sk8ter boy she said see you later boy someone modify that to work with shields
or I might after work I'm lazy though
split flint
Lol
solid mist
hold up... ok... so we can do tony-hawk-esque combos. maintain good combos and your mitigation is higher. tha'ts how you maintain IP is by maintaining sick combos
š¤
grim prism
Lowkey think we should ban people for asking about PTR changes for patches that dont even have release dates
wet compass
the rest of the lyrics need to be wow modified
solid mist
now follow me here
grim prism
Just to thin the herds here
old night
i can only get so hard reading that concept
brave jetty
lol...
solid mist
goblin crowds in every raid encounter
high combo they shower you with gold and praise
wet compass
maybe something about how brewmasters are for losers and paladins are one shield plebs
solid mist
increasing a "crowd hype" meter
glossy bramble
hell yeah
chrome harbor
thats racist against goblins
old night
a tank spec you can actually play with a controller
neon tangle
@solid mist Unless it's like tony hawks underground where I can maintain infinite manual combos
solid mist
goblins stack paper, that's not racist
neon tangle
I will be angry
chilly brook
Goblin products are made to blast....
boreal depot
controller? I blow into a tube to play
digital arrow
seriously thinking about changing to dark iron dwarf for that racial... hmm
split flint
Letās just hope for the best
glossy bramble
the richest players in the game are ex tony hawk pro skater players who hit sick ass kickflip ollie reversals into 2160 spins every fight and get showered in money
old night
@digital arrow its worth it
dark junco
Agreed @old night
solid mist
future patch notes "fixed issue with warrior manual reversal when exiting nose grinds"
chrome harbor
'lets just hope for the best' now thats the real goblin motto
dark junco
xD
old night
I have zero regrets on switching from dwarf to dark iron
it was just a miserable grind
boreal depot
no ragrets
split flint
Remember blizzā April fools
dark junco
Can you remove the dot on Zul?
split flint
For guitar hero Bards
chilly brook
Not even one letter
neon tangle
This channel really went off the rails
old night
going to lunch. I hope in 30 mins when we get back we'll still be discussing dual shields
neon tangle
GET IT
chilly brook
Better than the usual daily topic
chrome harbor
it keeps us sane
dark junco
Can you remove the dot on Zul with DID ability?
solid mist
"hey google, show me a sick image of someone doing a kickflip while holding 2 shields"
wide juniper
It's 100% better than complaining about BCG/IP/m+/raids
wet compass
THPS3 or get out
dark junco
Kk thansk for saving me from a racech
neon tangle
The reddit thread on bears and warrior on /r/wow is great right now
chrome harbor
reddit has a good thread?
wet compass
Well we can discuss dual shields or we can cry about the state of prot
solid mist
everyone out there trying for transmogs, warriors all trying to unlock that sick darth maul skin
frosty wedge
I think that was sarcasm
chilly brook
Reddit actually talks about prot?
wet compass
THPS3 with Darth Maul son
digital arrow
yeah @old night maybe i'll just try and get used to playin dwarf with their silly accents and combat shouts. i play gnome so im already used to ridiculous combat shouts lmao
dark junco
Its like the 3rd this week
neon tangle
If you didn't know prot can't even do M0
chrome harbor
and hes dying in M0 trash
frosty wedge
oh god.
"Charge, Gcd, Avatar, Gcd, Thunderclap, Gcd, Shieldblock, no Rage for IP... When Shieldblock is off, we have nothing to avoid damage."
chrome harbor
pretty sure I went in at 310, sure my healer was shitting himself but was still fun
chilly brook
This says it all
wet compass
prot just doesn't feel good to play
digital arrow
lol i had left a comment asking why he didnt pop demo shout sooner since its really good
that opener is weaksauce
wet compass
I play my brew and it just feels so much smoother
chrome harbor
yea it does feel like running through mud atm, but thats my biggest complaint
dark junco
Well tbh other tanks donāt even have to be good, to be good
chilly brook
Not all classes are for you
wet compass
plus why the hell doesn't shield slam reduce the cd on shield block?
That's one of the coolest things about brew
neon tangle
so, actual real question, how much face-tanking can you do above +5?
dark junco
Its the same old same old: prot warriors are incredibly punishing
neon tangle
I'm not sure if I'm kiting enough
dark junco
Use everything: you can facetank with a holy healer
wet compass
When you keg smash you actually increase survivability by increasing ironbrew charges and number of times you can purify
dark junco
Use no cd: kite
wet compass
You actually have direct control over your survivability via your ability picking for prot your pimary am is cd limited š¦
frosty wedge
you mean like, heavy repercussions
wet compass
like I love prot I've been playing it for cripes 14 years now
dark junco
When I have no more SB and LS, I usually hero away and kites on 7-9+
frosty wedge
HR baseline would be awesome
wet compass
that's nothing like keg tbh
wet compass
that blizz didn't make the legion legendary bracers baseline tells me nobody plays prot on their dev team
frosty wedge
HR? HR reduces the CD on SB by 1 second per use
chilly brook
@wet compass I feel like I have extreme control over my survivability as a prot warrior
And any rage spent reduces my CD timers period
Minus SB but meh
wet compass
Keg smash is 4 seconds per hit more if you use blackout
wet compass
plus you have 4 charges
well yeah no duh but it's theoretically more
you really should always use the high stagger one
dark junco
Iāll take 2 charges of LS for 200$
wet compass
just like you shouldn't really use hr over am
chilly brook
If youāre not going to use it then why would you bring it up š¤
You mean high tolerance?
chilly brook
Really only use high tolerance if youāre expecting to be taking huge amounts of damage
chrome harbor
im willing to bet they lazily just buff our hp and armor again
wet compass
I usually only remember talent names when I'm changing back and forth
wet compass
340 tanking plus 7s is heavy damage š
glossy bramble
having HR baseline would feel amazing
chrome harbor
tbh, id rather them make AM baseline, as it should be
wet compass
Either or can be baseline
chrome harbor
open up options for the tree
distant socket
Hey gang, need an opinion. Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity or Darkmoon deck?
Crits fairly garbage for us aint it so thinking of keeping darkmoon
prisma crane
DMD for surv
wet compass
Light Brewing is good when getting used to the spec
it just removes a button
personally I use BoB but for a new player Light isn't bad
chilly brook
Iād imagine guard is dope on Zek
crisp pecan
theere are still some prot warriors arfound or everyone rolled dk already?
dark junco
Yo wait
dark junco
(Joke at the number of m+15s done by prot)
But yeah many peeps still play
Eager to see what they replace critblock with
wide juniper
My warrior is basically moving to arms now
crisp pecan
Good
wide juniper
PepeHands
dark junco
They just nerfed arms on ptr
crisp pecan
check this out guys
dark junco
From 54% to 36% for Deepwoons and somethig else too got nerfed
chrome harbor
isnt their ST only midpack?
wide juniper
Yes
dark junco
Yeah but execute OP on bosses
silk mortar
crisp pecan
yes, this guy was a enh
sick sentinel
shaman with 800 score xd
chrome harbor
that sonovabitch
dark junco
Yeah shit like that happen all the time
wide juniper
Firm, but fair.
sick sentinel
but yeah it happens to me since legion
chrome harbor
i feel like prot wars in legion got a bad wrap from ppl that couldnt time their blocks
sick sentinel
xd
dark junco
#dadjoke
crisp pecan
i mean like, shaman laughing about broken spec, grim joke
chrome harbor
its how he copes with it
crisp pecan
well, in 8.1 we will show them
everyone will pray for prot tank
i believe
i bet ION will deliver
grim prism
Yeah he's never let anyone down before
prisma crane
/s
chrome harbor
dude cant even deliver his words without a million 'ums'
wet compass
the only thing Ion delivers on is green and grey parses
and mobile freemium level gameplay
grim prism
@chrome harbor no wonder he doesnt work as a lawyer anymore
crisp pecan
@grim prism LOLD
chrome harbor
savage
crisp pecan
well there are some burning topics like glitches during auction hall dance studio and so on
but we will get attention i am sure
maybe soe new selfie filters
some*
grim prism
If there is one thing in this entire game that I'm okay with bandwagoning on
It's Ion hate
wet compass
Nah we will be usurped by the 200th we know you like flying but we are dipshits who wish we were playing eq so it's going to stay away until half the game unsubs again
chrome harbor
its okay guys, when classic comes out we'll be the #1 tanks again
grim prism
I never, ever thought I would say this, but I miss Holinka
stark sage
you think you do, but you dont
glossy bramble
bring back jeffie
stark sage
GC is also a big yikes
stark sage
i dont hate ion, i think he just has a shitty job
stark sage
hes just a toilet man, everyone has to shit somewhere
wet compass
he is good at raids
and numbers
but god awful at basic systems
basically promoted above his skill level
I miss pardo š¦
chrome harbor
its like when an offensive/defensive coordinator is made head coach and shits the bed, some ppl are good at what they do and just what they do
stark sage
well he doesnt really have much imput into the specifics of the game
wet compass
Exactly sear
He is the lead game designer he is the only who pushed shit like gcd changes
the world quest reliance
removal of flight
the macro systems
grim prism
Game Director is really a meaningless figurehead of a role
wet compass
It's not
grim prism
Ofc
chilly brook
Bring back metsen
wet compass
bring back Pardo
grim prism
@wet compass i was memeing on Kel
wet compass
pay him whatever it takes but bring back mr. mop
digital arrow
anyone know who's in charge of warrior tuning at blizzard? or do classes not have a designated guy in charge
chilly brook
Game Director is hardly meaningless
grim prism
@digital arrow Sco
stark sage
its not meaningless, but he doesnt control that much of the game
wet compass
If Sco was in charge of warrior tuning we would be good so he could play warrior again
chilly brook
Just like any properly managed company
frosty wedge
lol
chilly brook
Everything has their lane
wet compass
Sco would give us our double shields
grim prism
He might not control gritty details of anything but it is 100% unequivocally his job to make sure all the parts play well together
chrome harbor
whats sco playing anyway, not his war?
digital arrow
is sco not working at blizz anymore or somethin?
chilly brook
Sco would give us self healing š
grim prism
There is nobldy else to pass the buck to from there
chilly brook
His monk @chrome harbor
dark lagoon
a free character boost to 110 thats what they would give us. to reroll
chrome harbor
ah that makes sense
chilly brook
I mean Iām considering playing brew as an alt at this point because every other tank besides prot has disappointed and my last 2 options are monk and DK
wet compass
imagine doing mythic fetid as a prot warrior that isn't a tier overgeared lol
grim prism
Literally all Ion does is play interference between the community and the devs
chilly brook
And monk was my main for 4 years
wet compass
So you have literally played every tank but the top two raid tanks lols
chilly brook
@wet compass already done
grim prism
It is his job to come up with doublespeak to make it sound like they are listening without actually having to listen
chilly brook
Mythic fetid has been cleared by a prot warrior and guardian Druid
wet compass
okay and how much easier would it have been for their guilds if they were brew?
zinc mauve
Can blocks from shield block crit?
wet compass
definitely not just
grim prism
He sure af isnt taking accountability for any developmental decisions the game has taken
@zinc mauve yes
boreal depot
for now.
zinc mauve
Thanks
chilly brook
And probably not much easier
If you watched any of methods pulls on fetid tank damage wasnāt the main issue
prisma crane
mostly because they were on monks, but yea, Fetid is a dps check
he certainly hits hard, but it's predictable
wet compass
monks are insane for damage smoothing
chilly brook
Monks that never purified š
prisma crane
yea, i'm sure Method tanks have no idea what they're playing
prisma crane
bright side is, they still live, which was probably more your point
chilly brook
Yea
wet compass
because even without purifying they take less damage also they were running the high stagger thing
chilly brook
Aka ātank damage isnāt going to be your problem on fetid unless your tanks are afkā
Aka ātank damage isnāt going to be your problem on fetid unless your tanks are afkā
No
They take more damage
š¤
wet compass
less damage spikes
monk healing is extremely consistent and smooth
unless they are a mongoloid and let ironskin drop
but then they just die
wet compass
yes
distant socket
great thanks
grim prism
LOL oh
final mist
Forums, class discords, etc.
wet compass
there's a recruitment discord
final mist
Can browse wowprogress to find a guild more tailored to your search as well
grim prism
Some guilds advertize on wowprog too
modern brook
ty all
digital arrow
oh hell yeah im gonna go looking for a guild too thanks
prisma crane
making yourself available on Wowprogress goes a long way
particularly if you have logs that bolster your worth
ancient reef
Why are dks so good right now
prisma crane
their toolkit
wet compass
gl getting picked up as a warrior tank prior to 8.1 though
chilly brook
TBH I might be looking for a new guild
frosty wedge
umm, grip, mass grip, huge self healing, two interrupts...
prisma crane
ability to control mobs
ancient reef
How so i havent played mine since like wotlk
digital arrow
let's make our own guild, where we will be accepted. it will be our... outer haven
chilly brook
@wet compass if the guild actually knows how to read logs itās not all that hard
digital arrow
i hope someone got that reference lol
ancient reef
I need a horde alt
grim prism
Was that metal gear solid?
prisma crane
@chilly brook let's be real, finding a guild as a tank is hard enough as it is, much less for warriors in our current state
wet compass
Here's the thing if I'm a good guild recruiting from logs I can get you or I can get the brew with the same level of logs
digital arrow
š yes
prisma crane
don't act like finding a good guild is simple
regardless of if they can or cannot read logs
plain vapor
tanks can be hard to find sometimes
chilly brook
Finding a good guild is hard
wet compass
also I personally don't care about numbers in terms of logs I care about cast counts
prisma crane
and most established guilds already have tanks
if you just want any guild, it's easy as a tank
chilly brook
But if youāre going to be doing that itās not much more of a stretch to fit in as a prot warrior
frosty wedge
I honestly haven't had a decent guild since wotlk, lol
wet compass
Gear is malleable
ancient reef
Tanks are hard to find un lfg
prisma crane
but to find one that's pushing along well, that's rough, because in order to push along well you have to have tanks
so you have to hope for the guy who just quit the game, raiding, w/e
plain vapor
i joined a great established guild in mid antorus. gonna be here for the rest of my wow career i bet š
modern brook
My parses are p good, generally 75+
but my progression is dog shit
but my guild will die with 8.1
prisma crane
but, having logs that make you look good at what you're doing can help
modern brook
if the taunt changes go through
chilly brook
My parses are all orange basically with the exception of one
final mist
There are no Taunt changes./
wet compass
by ilvl or overall griff?
outer dew
One of my favorite guilds broke up in ToS qq
chilly brook
Both
chilly brook
The what?
modern brook
I have to delay attacks a lot or i pull off my co-tank :/
wet compass
mod of league of legends just only other place I've seen griff
wet compass
huh weird
chilly brook
The answer is no Iām not
wet compass
sadface
chilly brook
Like I said with the exception of one and the singular parse I have on gāhuun which is arms instead of prot
wet compass
*0 = 96 thinking
also all the tanks are swapping bro obviously why you are so high š
chilly brook
Hmmm?
ancient reef
What addon is that
modern brook
oof
@chilly brook can i get a link to your parses? i'd like to see what im doing wrong for the 20%
chilly brook
Kaleggula-Tichondrius
neon tangle
I OT taloc and mother
modern brook
ty
chilly brook
Yea I donāt get to parse on mother anymore
My guild is like āyou do too much damage you need to be the first one through to help kill the addsā
chilly brook
Not really
prisma crane
mother will be taken off of all star rankings, give it time
wet compass
dogc also that's only for arms
chrome harbor
you get to supervise them
wet compass
nobody wants fury the only fun dps spec
plain vapor
do mythic mother where you send over 3/4ths of the whole raid in 10 seconds
get a big fat parse then
prisma crane
you'll also parse the best if you get to the last room as fast as you can
and aoe down the fuckton of adds
but you have to be able to survive those crosses
but guilds will do it
plain vapor
yeah i cant see mythic mother giving all star points for very long
chilly brook
At this point I just go Arms on mother and taloc
daring marlin
Iām like all 99 parses myself
wewwwww
I need to stop being a lazyass and level more tanks
I usually have āem all at cap
no dh this time since I swapped to alliance
frosty wedge
I currently ahve my warr, then monk, druid, dk
daring marlin
and night elves are absolutely garbage
chilly brook
Alliance got way better faction armor
wet compass
warrior monk, dk at 119.5 and dh at 115
void sandal
Hi folks. How can I make 5-9 mythics less painful? Is the anger management build really the only way to go for tanking mythics? Can I ever reasonably tank more than one pull at this stage?
wet compass
won't do druid until I find out kt can be non fat
daring marlin
@chilly brook DONāT LIKE SPIKES WITH YOUR SPIKES!?
chilly brook
Anger management is the only viable talent period
wet compass
paladin might happen but not in ahurry
chilly brook
@daring marlin unfortunately doesnāt look good on anything other than an orc tbh
wet compass
pretty much either hr or am needs to be base
chilly brook
I agree
It should be
It should be base for warrior period
Including both DPS specs
daring marlin
hell yeah boi
chilly brook
I mean
chrome harbor
AM is actually a pretty cool mechanic for warriors, the angrier you get the more you do
sand egret
it should be built into the Rage resource in general, imho. But that's a larger point
chilly brook
All three DPS specs amirite?
daring marlin
huehue
mental solar
hey guys if i spell reflect near the end of omega vector i know i avoid getting the lingering affliction but does it go on the boss or just fizzle?
old night
THEY SHOULD JUST GIVE US DUAL SHIELDS
chrome harbor
dear god we've entered a loop
sand egret
what a great time to come back in, like I never left
wet compass
now
wet compass
because the other one is better in raids at least for fury salt
chrome harbor
you want them to make 2 new talents for prot when they had to shoehorn in old ones because they ran outta time?
sand egret
@daring marlin we playing the "Talents that shoulda been baseline" Game?
cuz can we talk about Indomitable
sand egret
like what kinda Vanilla-esque talent is that shit
chilly brook
Inb4 blizz pulls a blood DK and they move unstoppable force and booming voice onto the same tree
wet compass
indom should never have been a thing
sand egret
wooooo 10% hp!
wet compass
it should be base
sand egret
feel.my.power.
chrome harbor
BfA does seem to be keen on taking base abilities and making them talents because 'options are fun'
wet compass
god they fucked fire mage so hard by doing that
chrome harbor
dont
frosty wedge
except they only gave us like... one viable option
frosty wedge
the DK talent that reduces incoming damage under 35% by 35% is pretty incredible
sand egret
always was
frosty wedge
that'd be a nice replacement for indom
solid mist
I mean... in a world if icy-veins / class discords / forums the min/max optimized build will always be founda dn then used
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
chrome harbor
i always felt like warriors should be harder to kill the lower they get, class fantasy wise. and all these other tanks keep gettin our shit
chrome harbor
like most ppl i only played D3 for a week, dont remember that
sand egret
Will?
frosty wedge
yeah, I always felt the same - or like, taking less damage based on rage spent, etc
something like that
chrome harbor
veteran of the third war or something?
sand egret
Will of the Necropolis
chrome harbor
ah
sand egret
it's the reason I was able to Blood Tank 3Drake Sarth when everyone was going Unholy
chrome harbor
idk legendries worked as bandages for a lot of classes in legion, i feel like haphazerdly turning some into talents and some just going away completely should have been handled with more care
sand egret
it's an insanely good value talent when you're getting chunked constantly...which is now the Warrior's thing haha
daring marlin
SURE ABOUT THAT BUD?
sand egret
yep
daring marlin
Itās not a DR
sand egret
that was one of its vversions
daring marlin
That was the OG.
sand egret
the runetap one was one iteration, yeah
wet compass
the blood dk shoulders being turned into a talent is so strong at least it seems to be
chrome harbor
either way i dont see anything going base, they seem to be against that atm
sand egret
o_o
ember arrow
daring marlin
This was the actual og one
arctic pulsar
sco is leveling prot
sand egret
to be fair it's changed a lot lol
arctic pulsar
has he got some 8.1 secret info
chrome harbor
is he indeed
arctic pulsar
prot is gonna be FoTM 8.1
sand egret
Sco is leveling Prot because it's his fav tank spec and Prot is getting buffs
he's just hedging the bet so when they come live he's already got his alt leveled
chrome harbor
lazy % buffs
sand egret
dual weilding shields
daring marlin
^
sand egret
we've already determined this.
arctic pulsar
IP off GCD and a buff
chrome harbor
they're gonna buff defensive stance on both hp and armor, ignore ignore pain and call it a day me thinks
limber rivet
are the datamined changes for 8.1 so far seriously showing as the only change to protection a nerf to shield block? is this real life?
daring marlin
stop
native coyote
but, but ...I like the idea of dual-bulwarks
ancient reef
wonder how fun prot would be if we had an arms stance that drops threat and increases damage by 20%
sand egret
@arctic pulsar Realistically though, we'll probably see IP get a bigger threshold and a higher % damage reduction (still on the GCD), Shield Block may get a slight CDR. The real question is will we see anything larger or will it be number tweaks.
chrome harbor
I coulda sworn lores post said number tunning with changes at a later date
arctic pulsar
@sand egret yeah i agree with that tbh
wet compass
dual wielding shields are coming guys
level your prots
and if it doesn't happen rage at blizz
until it does
sand egret
However, I'd put money on us getting at least one talent changed.
chrome harbor
which one?
sand egret
To be honest? Bolster
chrome harbor
š¦
ancient reef
what was prots AM preignore pain
chrome harbor
shield barrier
sand egret
Spell Reflect does still give 20% DR! š
frosty wedge
for ONE spell
wet compass
guys just spam the crap out of the blizz twitter for dual shiels
oblique wolf
only one spell if its something that actually gets reflected
sand egret
the DR and the spell
frosty wedge
oh so it's just worded poorly
sand egret
yep
limber rivet
giant double door Dark Souls Prot spec when?
ancient reef
would IP be better if it was a 100% absorb off gcd
sand egret
so...a shield?
sand egret
a 100% absorb is literally a shield
mellow bridge
š¤
wet compass
in all seriousness how much of a difference in survival would it make to add another shield worth of armor to us thinking
sand egret
I feel like it would be a lot
signal plover
If it had separate shield block charges...a lot
sand egret
esp as gear scales upwards
wet compass
I feel like it could make us semi viable
oh extra charges
I was just thinking about the armor
signal plover
I mean it's a meme concept but w/e
Don't worry guys...I'm actively spending time leveling a monk and blizz loves doing things that result in me having wasted my time so
Get rdy
signal plover
Nope
prisma crane
we could get an ability that plants the shields down and makes us immune to grips/knockbacks
wet compass
pretty please
ancient reef
captain upgraded to the double shield gear
prisma crane
those are just buffed bracers
wet compass
that's a really low quality image
junior ivy
if a boost a 110, would it have legion FPS?
wet compass
like the blur is baddddd
signal plover
My is DK still logged out in M aggramars room from prog kill
signal plover
I don't think frames per second depend on level
sand egret
what if....we could GIVE our 2nd shield to another player?
prisma crane
flight paths, and im not sure
sand egret
š¤
grim prism
@junior ivy yes
junior ivy
ty
wet compass
so be a disc priest?
sand egret
naw, like literally they equip it and get shield block
signal plover
K back to work...gotta plan my monk leveling route
signal plover
Kek...three shield when I barely got 1 of em at 375
sand egret
Give Shield: Give all party or raid members a shield, blocking 20% of melee attacks.
raid utility baybeee
wet compass
23% 2 maybe 3 of these scenarios to go
sand egret
imma be the Oprah of shields
chrome harbor
nah i liked someones idea from before where you do a shield infront of you and los/block everything behind you, call it Bulwark
solid mist
That exists for paladins in FFXIV
wet compass
that's called ff14
grim prism
@sand egret theyd just get mad at you for losing aggro
sand egret
uh they do that already
chrome harbor
it would be for a few seconds and could protect the group for AoE n stuff
solid mist
also... if it's one thing the WoW general population is good at is coordinating and listening when people tell them to stand in certain places
grim prism
inb4 aggro memes
limber rivet
i just want a shield slam animation that looks a little more....meaty?
chrome harbor
i dont really play with the general population, and theres nothing wrong with adding in a bit of ceiling
grim prism
@solid mist literally every raid-lead and/or healer in the game would like to have a word with you over that sweeping generalization
sand egret
TAKING OUR JORBS
chrome harbor
man i dont care what those glitter-throwing bubble boys do
chrome harbor
im starting to think prot warrior's biggest holdback is everyone else taking our cool ideas
grim prism
That would give prot war too much utility in M+ @sand egret
Doesnt matter which class they give it to
modern brook
@grim prism its shitty grip
sand egret
and?
sand egret
In a world withh mass grips
wet compass
Blizzard purposefully neuters prot because if we were remotely viable we would play our vanilla chars over these newfangled weird thins
things*
frosty wedge
true
wet compass
literally would be 50% plus warrior pop in the top 50
chrome harbor
i mean, i feel like warriors should get some utility in M+
modern brook
we got aoe stuns š¦
wet compass
just because so many vanilla tanks were warriors
grim prism
aoe stun*
sand egret
oh you mean that DR everyone's got
modern brook
š¢
sand egret
wooo love me a stun that doesn't last longer than the GCD
wet compass
Or I could play a monk have an aoe stun I don't need to aim
modern brook
hey man you can be negative
sand egret
yeah...gimme that LoS wall. Fuck RoP
grim prism
8.1: RoP now excludes prot wars in addition to enemy characters
rugged plinth
How many victory rush's do you guys average in a M+
sand egret
I'm nasty at timing my shield slams to last hit
modern brook
Depends on the dungeon and how low my dps iq is
sand egret
far too many hours on LoL
grim prism
@rugged plinth a single-digit nonzero amount
wet compass
LoS wall drops behind you and can't be heroic leaped over
modern brook
if its a weak pull I generally murder everything with avatar clap
daring patrol
im usually able to get off one per pack
wet compass
actually it directly drops between you and the largest cluster of healers
grim prism
Unless it's the last boss of underrot where i spam heroic throw at spores for free heals
wild atlas
Honestly, why not make demo shout be a buff to the team to decrease damage taken by 20% for the duration? We lack team utility and that would be nice
sand egret
nooooo
wet compass
and yes it will effect their los
sand egret
that's fine, but I want something unique
chrome harbor
did someone say..... banners?
wild atlas
Meanwhile, paladins over here with LoH, BoP, Freedom, tiny weens
wet compass
I miss banners š¦
sand egret
the issue we have in WoW atm in terms of tanks, is that with each new tank class, tank identity gets diluted
modern brook
you have "ignore pain:
daring patrol
i'd be happy with shield block going back to 12 seconds. that's all I want
modern brook
the literal "block it with your chest" of abilities
chrome harbor
"Did someone say banners?"
....several people are typing
wet compass
I want 100% uptime on shield block period
sand egret
I think they want Shield Block to be a legit cooldown
wet compass
they are fucking morons
vocal nimbus
there is active mitigation and then there are cooldowns
winter skiff
With 12 sec u can get to 100% uptime
sand egret
I get it, it's just we have nothing to serve as our AM as IP is trash
vocal nimbus
both are different
vocal nimbus
shield block is considered active mitigation
make it a cooldown and prot warr would have no AM
sand egret
It is a cooldown
vocal nimbus
well, it has a cooldown yes
modern brook
didnt AM die with BFA? or are we just using words to refer to consistent damage reduction?
vocal nimbus
but it isnt considered a deffensive cooldown
sand egret
well the concept of AM doesn't quite exist as it did last expac
vocal nimbus
i keep using AM just to keep it simple
sand egret
we don't have anything coded specifically
grim prism
Spellbook doesnt call anything active mitigation amymore
Technically all our defensives are active mitigation 
sand egret
but I get what you're saying in terms of "It's the ability that gives us our consistent damage reduction"
modern brook
unless you're retarded and actually have to think about how to maintain bone stacks
uneven mason
Holyshit
vocal nimbus
AM doesnt exist not because the spells change but rather because there arent and it doesnt look like there will be AM checks
sand egret
however, I think that's what IP is supposed to be
left bloom
they seem to to make all systems cater to casuals, yet nothing is explained in this game
uneven mason
Warrior Utility
chrome harbor
i thnk their intended class fantasy is to have warriors just be the 'armor' tank
left bloom
same with uldir azerite pieces "enables reorigination array"
sand egret
and I think they want Shield Block to serve as the "Extra" mitigation
left bloom
95% probably doesnt even know what that is
modern brook
IP supports block, i thought
uneven mason
"Tower Shield - By planting their shield Warriors temporarily create a barrier to sight for themselves and a 10 yard cone behind them"
sand egret
that doesn't mean it's exclusive to it
uneven mason
Mobile line of sight
sand egret
it just scales with DR
uneven mason
thats what warriors need for M+
grim prism
Wat
chrome harbor
tbh banners being brought back that buff the group would be killer for M+ utility
uneven mason
Caster mobs - no problem, get behind me
sand egret
it would def give us a niche @uneven mason
chrome harbor
make us commanders
modern brook
How is that not slow grip?
sand egret
because you can't grip spells
neon tangle
It would also give us something similar-ish to the effects of grip
astral crystal
sand egret
the biggest one would be casters can dip in and out of it on your team to fizzle really strong nukes.
uneven mason
also, it would have the same effect as grip in some situations, where you can interrupt a cast before it goes off by breaking line of effect
wet compass
that would literally break raid encounters
sand egret
it would have to be coded uniquely
uneven mason
nah, you'd just make it so it doesn't work vs some raid abilities
Like if you didn't know
sand egret
it would need its own independent flags for LoS checks per spell ID
delicate prism
It's easy guys, just code it this way.
uneven mason
99% Of boss/raid abilities are coded to "ignore line of sight, ignore line of effect, range 50,000"
delicate prism
Let's have a spell ID share properties of the terrain mesh.
sand egret
so basically liek Spell Reflect now @uneven mason
uneven mason
yeah but it '
sand egret
*doesn't work on 99% of things you wish it did
uneven mason
would work for your group
well, I mean spell reflect works great in raids
just not to reflect casts anymore
I mean shit
we negate a mechanic just about on Ghuun
one of the most annoying mechanics
warrior taking the 4th cast on Ghuun means both tanks cna clear stacks
because of SR
sand egret
the real question is: does that one niche case make up for the fact that 90% of the other shit can't be?
grim prism
My favorite recurrent argument i see in this discord is "why dont the devs just x, it would be easy" as if fixing literally anything in a bug-ridden shitstorm that's older than most of its players is easy
shut summit
Pretty good on vectis wit omega vector too
grim prism
(Yes i am aware plisken was memeing)
wet compass
14% two more of these
uneven mason
coding a new spell Balsaq would be easier than fixing old IDs
sand egret
they also did that refactor as well
wet compass
or just give us a 3rd charge on shield block
sand egret
hence why we have Aura buffs, etc.
uneven mason
Xath that wouldn't fix anything?
grim prism
@uneven mason but you'd have to flag every other existing ability in the game regardless
wet compass
It would help a lot actually
a third charge would be enough for 100% uptime while tanking for 90% of content
uneven mason
We're already pretty high
I Mean I have 100% effective uptime on block more or less
outside of a few encounters without swaps
grim prism
Itd be enough for 100% uptime on 100% of content, which is ridiculous loll
stone hull
Got Motherlode trinket 365, currently using bloackades and rezan's, is it worth replacing any of these 2 trinkets?
wet compass
the button trinket?
stone hull
yep
uneven mason
because their AM doesn't reduce damage it affects by upwards of 95%
grim prism
Aside from share charges with purify?
wild atlas
I actually hate the 30% increased shield slam damage while shield block is up. It pushes me into bad shield block habits for the sake of logs
grim prism
Wait who are we even memeing on anymore
Theres too much recursive shitposting going on
modern brook
IDK the only bad part of our offensive rotation imo is revenge being a shit button to press
i need it for the bleeds and thats about it
sand egret
yeah I can agree to that
digital arrow
lol balsaq i am just as lost
uneven mason
@wet compass Ironskin brew??
sand egret
Revenge definitely doesn't feel like the name would imply
more like "Minor Grievance"
modern brook
Its weaker then thunderclap most of the time
wet compass
Ironskin smooths monks damage intake an insane amount
digital arrow
lmao @sand egret
ruby sapphire
Yikes
uneven mason
Ok..
modern brook
and without the talent whos name i forgot but i think is vengence, its like 100% pointless to press it outside of maintiang wounds
grim prism
Its the revenge the wow devs are taking on you for picking an unfinished spec @sand egret
uneven mason
That is why monks are currently the meta tank
because they have a lot of forgiveness involving very little effort
What ISB doesn't do - is actually mitigate damage
sand egret
@modern brook I press it because I hate seeing a button light up and not be pressed
WTB Revenge reducing Shield Block by 1 second per target hit
uneven mason
But what does ISB have to do with my mentioning that other tanks mitigation tools do not have the same potential as Block?
Again - block uptime isn't really a core issue warrior face right now, if you're facing massive gaps in your block you're probably doing something wrong.
grim prism
People keep unironically suggesting things that would be fundamentally broken and not realizing it contributes nothing
uneven mason
WTB Revenge off the GCD
modern brook
Or just removing the proc mechanic from it and replacing it with something cool
cause why have a proc if im going to let it time out 6/10 times
grim prism
Like, just picking this because its immediately recent and an easy pick, if rev reduced block CD by one second per mob hit, then you'd be capped on charges with 100% uptime in M+
Thats absurd
Just make it passive at that point
uneven mason
sand egret
BUt it isn't passive
uneven mason
By george Balsaq I think you have it
modern brook
so i'd be playing monk?
sand egret
you're hitting the button
uneven mason
Make 100% block passive - Shield Block now causes all blocks for 4 seconds to be critical blocks
grim prism
So it only works as long as the player doesnt literally remove rev from their bar
modern brook
Good monk*
grim prism
Got it
wet compass
nice hyperbole I literally didn't say that
lapis pasture
I like it
modern brook
no one said you did?
grim prism
@ruby sapphire if they werent so sparse I'd suggest scrolling up through some of the suggestions lately
sick sentinel
Make the azerite trait for revenge baseline?
chrome harbor
I think most of it is just people spitballing ideas, which probably isnt far from how actual class design is done these days
sick sentinel
It would be good then
grim prism
"What we need is SB to be free, IP to be off-global and cost half as much, and free IPs on shield slam casts" -a real person here, unironically
wet compass
are you implying the devs even think about prot?
modern brook
I think a slight tuneup on IP is all we need froma survivbility stand point
chrome harbor
spitballing doesnt imply thinking
wet compass
the spitballing here is probably more talking than blue does about us in a mnth
grim prism
Thats four expacs worth of communication
fringe marten
Even though it will suck and hurt us; I'd like them to either: allow you to reforge azerite traits to gear...or alter Deafening crash so we're not literally married to an azerite trait that doesn't exist on raid gear.
chrome harbor
and tentacles
reef fulcrum
I honestly think a 3rd charge of SB would be overkill
sick sentinel
I am still supporting the idea of dual weilding shields
chrome harbor
hate tanking those things
wet compass
Defeaning crash needs to be baseline a single trait shouldn't do that much
fringe marten
Praying you get an azerite armor in your cache that has DC on it..is not how I want my itemization to be.
grim prism
@fringe marten lowkey still worried the "buffs" they are planning are to offset a DC nerf
modern brook
If we're being real, Deafining crash needs to be reworked so it doesnt do that much
modern brook
making it baseline solves nothing
wet compass
so for anyone currently on a warrior how much dr do you lose if you take off your shield?
fringe marten
Balsaq. Belie dis~ Our DPS will take a hit, or DC will be altered in function or value. We're not coming out of this JUST 'tougher' better tanks.
fringe marten
The last 5 expansions ? Blizzard just hates warriors..if we ever get to being near or at a top tier tank, they poo all over that.
sand egret
oh I bet our TClap spamming days won't be as sweet haha
sick sentinel
I would trade some dps for more survivability tools
limber perch
im 99% certain that avatar talent is getting nerfed
sand egret
def
modern brook
100%
chrome harbor
aw
modern brook
get your parses in now
wild bolt
The problem is Unstoppable Force though, not Avatar.
fringe marten
I'm actually totally ok with our damage being retuned, IF and ONLY IF..our threat gen isn't messed with (IE Tclap gets "genrates high threat" flag)
wet compass
I miss the weave devestator style it just felt fun to play
grim prism
Theyd nerf DC before they nerf UF
sand egret
hopefully, it just becomes less desireable because we have more defensive options.......
wet compass
parses are based on patches
wild bolt
Oh no doubt
grim prism
Wow devs want simple as fucking possible
wild bolt
But that's what creates the massive aoe imbalance.
modern brook
tclaping for 16k per clap is what i live for
chrome harbor
they only mentioned giving survivability tuning in the next few weeks. I wouldnt expect any big changes until 8.1
modern brook
you're like the one dad whos still applauding after everyone's sat down
"THATS MY METER EVERYONE"
grim prism
Is the aoe imbalance that massive? I see BDKs pulling numbers that arent AS goofy, but theyre way too goofy for a spec with twice the utility and an order of magnitude more survivability as us
chrome harbor
blood DKs are outside the realm of us meer mortals apparently
modern brook
the only thing goofy about it imo is the frequency with which we can do it cause of am
wet compass
blood dks are gods
fringe marten
I play a tank, not a dps... DPS just happens to be the one thing people think is cool about prot warrior. And our single target threat or damage doesn't do well against paladins.. So I'm ok with an aoe damage tuning if our aoe threat isn't compromised.
wild bolt
Yeah maybe massive was too strong a word. The BDK I run with does comparable numbers on trash. The only other tank I can speak for is Guardian, but comparatively, it's a pretty wide gulf there.
keen spire
hey guys I have a question for yall
wet compass
kneel pleb and worship
wild bolt
But to be fair, that could just as easily be an Undertuned Guardiant problem.
grim prism
Ironically guardian is the only other spec in as bad of shape as we are lmao
wet compass
one of the most simple things they could for warrior in general is just make am baseline it just makes sense thematically
althought arms would need to be nerfed for sure
grim prism
So maybe they are a bad compariosn
chrome harbor
yea i havent seen a single bear druid so far in BfA, though i mentioned that before and someone said 'because they're boring' as if thats new to the spec
wild bolt
Yeah, @grim prism , I really know how to pick em. š
chrome harbor
yes
keen spire
I'm seeing on the leaderboards for warcraftlogs that prot is 2nd to last (just above guardian) in dps for Uldir... but I always outdps fuckin EVERY tank I come across, not to mention half the other dps (which yeah, they're bad, but you get the point).. are these rankings just jacked up? Are people just playing prot poorly? idk
frosty wedge
I have a gaurdian sitting at like 350 ilvl
keen spire
Totally off-topic, but I have been wondering all day