Whats the point of an ICD-gated spender that doesnt even spend half the time
#protection
grim prism
astral crystal
if revenge was our only spender (along with sblock) that would suck
grim prism
@stark sage i think thats the joke atticus was making
stark sage
yeah
astral crystal
ye
solid mist
It's hard to smooth out prot war on the margins currently. thye'd need some more fundamental changes. make it simpler to mitigate over long periods of time. Then look at how to add/tweak things to really let skillful players shine
grim prism
Atticus lowkey trolls harder than me, he just does it less obtrusively
stark sage
we could armchair dev prot all day, but i wonder if thinking about changing rage for prot from the ground up. here is a hot take : Shield slam is a dump and revenge is a builder. make SS extend block or something
astral crystal
that's scary
chilly brook
And be worth the global
chrome harbor
rather they just take it off the gcd
grim prism
We have been armchairing prot all expac, why change now lmao
chilly brook
I mean I’m not going to debate you but let’s assume we take it off the gcd it’s still gone in half a second
old dawn
i would much rather it just be stronger
prisma crane
the only thing (imo) that off GCD IP will help is AM
old dawn
and still be on GCD
grim prism
Revenge now advances anger management relative to base rage cost 🇵 🇱 🇸
chilly brook
That’d be nice
prisma crane
wont change its effectiveness much, though would allow for more dps and more rage gain, albeit minuscule
chilly brook
And I agree @old dawn
grim prism
Its pretty dumb that it isnt that way already tbh
chilly brook
It’s not like the absorb % needs to be buffed it’s just the absorb amount
old dawn
i don't hate IP being on the GCD
grim prism
Considering vengeance weave last expac used base rage
old dawn
I hate it not doing much
grim prism
Same, IP off global would be fine if it wasnt tuned like shit in the first place
grim prism
I feel worse about avatar on-GCD than IP tbh
chrome harbor
granted the number tunning would have to be done. beta woulda been a good time for that but w.e
chilly brook
Same @grim prism
old dawn
I like using a GCD to G E T B I G
reef fulcrum
I'm afraid big changes will come and not all of then will be good received by us
solid mist
hitting ip currently -> hey a buff icon appeared on my buff bar for ip! -> wait where'd it go?
steel mauve
This is the beta 😛
old dawn
E X P A N D W A R R I O R
chilly brook
For me the real killer ability being on the GCD is Demoralizing Shout
grim prism
🇧 🇮 🇬 🇩 🇴 🇮 🇳 🇰 🇸
old dawn
FOR KHAZ MODAN!
chilly brook
TBH I’d consider a faction swap to be dark iron
grim prism
Now demo on-GCD I can even understand, because it gives more rage per cast than anything in our spellbook PLUS a massive buff for both damage given and taken
Avatar on-global is just a dead global. Lol
chrome harbor
i dont think its the fact that its either demo or avatar on the gcd that bothers me, but that they're both on it together
grim prism
Same
chilly brook
I’ve adapted so it’s not a huge deal
grim prism
I dont care which really, but both is too much lol
prisma crane
immune system - passive, chance on hit with poison or curse to take no damage / avoid application,
solid mist
well also that they are basically considerend required part of your rotation, as in. cast them as soon as they are up. The length of their cooldowns make me think they were intented to be something you might save for a particular scenario
prisma crane
that'd actually be a nice ability
grim prism
Blizz didnt expect bootyclap meta with deafenijg crash
prisma crane
pallies can clear their own debuffs, why not bake something in so we can too
chrome harbor
ignore disease
chrome harbor
yea you passivly ignore it
grim prism
Shield Slam - cast on self to remove one harmful debuff. Deals 30k damage to the warrior
chilly brook
Ignore Reddit 🙃
prisma crane
or yea, IP clears deseases or poisons, that'd actually make it worth hitting
grim prism
Also has a handy animation of you facepalming yourself with the bulwark of azzinoth
solid mist
@grim prism flagellant spec, just beat our selves up until the mobs feel sorry for us and just sit there and let the party hit them
grim prism
Thats baseline in 8.0 @solid mist
solid mist
😏
prisma crane
ignore pain clearing harmful debuffs (ones that heals can also clear) would be nice and not game breaking
chrome harbor
didnt we have something like that in mop? my memory is fuzy about that time
chrome harbor
ah yes, holding up the shield in a different way to absorb instead of block
prisma crane
WoD had pussy vengeance since tanks were topping meters in MoP
MoP we could top damage and heals while tanking
could do it for a while in Legion too
chrome harbor
legion prot was fun
prisma crane
but not by as much as MoP on the DPS side of things
Legion prot in ABT and MoP during SoO was the best time i've had tanking so far
grim prism
Vengeance scaling was so broken that I literally didnt even know i was supposed to be using shield block
chilly brook
I mean millions of hp shields from monks in WoD was awesome lol
prisma crane
had a SS at one point, lost now 😦 had 10m attack power when nazgrim enraged and i didnt die for like 15 sec
grim prism
My GM pulled my logs and was like "dude... what the fuck are you doing" lmao
I'm pressing barrier at 500% vengeance and not dying, thats what i'm doing
We downed the boss didnt we?
prisma crane
vengeance was pre-mitigation dmg boost, so not using SB wasnt helping though
grim prism
Shhhhhhhh
prisma crane
but yea barrier was still solid
grim prism
I didnt say it was right, i said it worked. Lol
And thats how I learned what AM checks are!
midnight raft
Anybody else who just said F it and respecced to actually get to see some content? Prot since TBC and to qoute a guy in /4:
"Prot Warriors today are like Shaman Tanks in Vanilla. 1 in 20 pulls it off and the one who does is crazy".
prisma crane
that's why people didnt like vengeance
solid mist
give prot wars rockbiter weapon
chrome harbor
rockbiter gave threat it hink
plain vapor
captain goes down with the ship
grim prism
@midnight raft welcome to the colorful world of prot war's community perception
plain vapor
im seein content just fine on my prot war
uneven mason
Not sure what content folks cant' see as prot?
nova viper
Seeing a whole lotta the floor
chrome harbor
i think its mostly ppl who pug a lot that are upset, something about player perception
fringe crow
Is the note for shield block on mmo champ for real, we won't be able to critical block during shield block in 8.1? Or did I miss read something or is my knowledge incomplete?
uneven mason
Only if you're absolutely a dogshit tier player
nova viper
memes
uneven mason
in which case, you'er going to die no matter what tank you play
grim prism
@fringe crow undocumented PTR changes dont matter
solid mist
I mean... I pug low level keys and norm uldir just fine
uneven mason
Grixx correct, tehy're deleting out mastery, its now going to buff the damage on Thunderclap
solid mist
but I dunno if people consider that "real content" or not
grim prism
Lol
uneven mason
since meme pewpew warrior
nova viper
I just dinged 120 on mine yesterday, did my mage first. The GCD stuff makes it kinda clunky feeling but it's still sorta fun 🤔
jovial reef
@fringe crow they removed the text from shield block since they want to remake our mastery
grim prism
^
jovial reef
can't crit block during shield block if crit blocking isn't a thing anymore etc
uneven mason
TFW people can't figure out how to warrior, so they cry so much that they're removing LITERALLY THE ONLY THING THAT FUCKING WORKS ON THE SPEC
grim prism
"IP now feels x% shittier to press, based on mastery"
uneven mason
^^
that is my worry
that we're going to become the "asborb tank"
and fucking get trucked by mechanics that we previously giggled at
jovial reef
i mean prot warrior is bad but i don't think even blizzard will find a way to make us worse after the mastery change
grim prism
I mean we already were last expac
jovial reef
though i've been wrong before
uneven mason
Like, everything that wasn't a DoT
"Warriors can survive dots, but sadly since the removal of critical block we're 42.5% shittier on Ghuun"
jovial reef
lol
chilly brook
@midnight raft I guess I’m one of those 1 in 20 who are just crazy
grim prism
Looks like HR is back on the menu 
chilly brook
Did some Mythic + with my irl buddy and his guild and blew their minds 🤷♂️
uneven mason
Mastery - angry yelling - each point of mastery causes every 10 rage spent extends the duration of Demoralizing shout and every 20 rage spent extends the duration of shield wall by 1 second.
chilly brook
If we had an absorb that wasn’t paper
uneven mason
PERMASHIELDWALL
I mean
I could live with a mastery where we just extend our CDs all the time
chilly brook
You and me both brother
grim prism
Increases your chance of getting accepted to a M+ key by n% based on mastery
uneven mason
but yeah, losing critical block
topaz badger
Is shieldblock going down to 1 charge?
chilly brook
Mastery = my 100% uptime on Demo 😜
uneven mason
is just going to make us ACTUALLY dogshit tier tanks
no Xiro
Shieldblock always has 1 charge
junior igloo
Crit block is full RNG, it's basically similar to parry in that sense, and it only has a chance to trigger when you already blocked (and therefore hopefully mitigated the damage to "safe" levels).
It's hard to imagine something being weaker
topaz badger
Ohh ok :-P
uneven mason
except it works vs
vocal nimbus
i envy your patience, meiffert
chilly brook
But when I see a crit Block on fetid it’s so satisfying
uneven mason
Its better than parry
solid mist
yup. crit block sounds cool and fun. but like.. do you guys notice when it happens? are you everlike 'phew thank god it crit blocked' . during the fight I don't even know when/if I'm crit blocking
chilly brook
Yes I do
uneven mason
because I sitll have full hp
topaz badger
Rofl fetid, I have to keep yelling on TS not to hug the tank, don't understand how it can be so hard
uneven mason
we have 100% critcial block chance +++
junior igloo
@uneven mason
So you worry that new mastery will be ignored by boss mechanics?
topaz badger
On discord* old habits
uneven mason
or just make us feel like garbage to play (I enjoy how prot plays right now)
chilly brook
Did they actually say anything about prot mastery? Or is this still all because the tooltip disappeared?
uneven mason
I'd like to be a bit tougher, but at the same time I'm really enjoying the level of focus needed to play well.
its the tooltip
they've let us know that prot stuff is otw.
so folks are all like ERMAHGAWD
chilly brook
I’d be very surprised if they actually pulled crit Block
prisma crane
crit block was only as big of a deal during legion as it was because of NF
chilly brook
I’d think they have a lot of more to rework from the ground up that’s a higher priority than our mastery
uneven mason
I mean, they could make our mastery just flat out increase our block %
rather than critical block
which would be best
chilly brook
I’d be chill with that
chilly brook
I’d still miss crit block though
uneven mason
like a 3rd multiplier
finite cairn
I’m just hoping we hear something in the next few days, I wanna see what they actually have in mind
uneven mason
we'll probably see a change or 2 in the next few weeks
hotfixes
any buff that shows in the patch notes
will improve community perception
chilly brook
Inb4 hp buff
uneven mason
even if its a bullshit change
that is also what I'm worried about
raw HP buff - addresses fucking nothing.
chilly brook
I mean it’d be welcome for Zul
grim prism
Prot definitely could use a hotfix, but blizz is historically not too quick on the uptake
finite cairn
I’d be fine with crit block going for something else that helps with unblockable damage
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
uneven mason
So if you die in 2.2ticks or 2.6 ticks how many ticks does it take to kill you still Griff??
3 ticks
correct
frosty wedge
blocking is now 35% effective against magic damage - a la stagger? lol
finite cairn
Just getting shrekt by bleeds feels bad
chilly brook
If they hotfix IP to last longer that’d be more than enough to help us out
uneven mason
T8 set bonus
grim prism
More EHP would be nice to have but does literally nothing to address spikiness- you'd take a smaller % of your HP but the raw number would be unchanged
chilly brook
That’s what I’m saying
uneven mason
Right thats n't duration
that volume
We need a bigger per cast IP
not a longer lasting IP
uneven mason
No, say what you mean
chilly brook
Ugh
ionic ridge
IP should scale with mastery not ap imo
chilly brook
Seriously though
uneven mason
What you want - larger IP - what you'll get 18 second duration if you phrase it like "Longer lasting"
fringe crow
So we are getting some attention. We don't exactly what kind of attention we'll get, but they acknowledge there is a problem. Gotta start somewhere.
chilly brook
If IP was a larger absorb amount it’d be perfect
uneven mason
IP Literally scales with AP - AP is increased by effectively str/WDPS/mastery and then its also buffed by vers
frosty wedge
yeah, like... much larger
chilly brook
They designed it as a smoothing mechanic that can’t smooth because it doesn’t last more than one or two hits
ionic ridge
Smooths*
uneven mason
what if they made it massive but only lasted 6 seconds and had an absorb cap of 25%
with no stacking
chilly brook
I still maintain it just shouldn’t have an absorb amount
uneven mason
like 5x the volume
ionic ridge
"SMOOTHS" it's as smooth as jumping from a cliff
chilly brook
It should just DR damage
grim prism
Then itd be an even shittier uptime buff than it is now lol
uneven mason
You mean it should just be a flat 50%
chilly brook
Yes
junior ivy
i didnt know the 3 sisters boss in waycrest could be messed up THIS badly
my group killed one of the ones youre not supposed to target
uneven mason
Well Balsaq in raids (I know your not raiding much) IP literally vanishes while tanking bosses
junior ivy
now the other two both have 99% reduced damage taken buff
uneven mason
in a single hit
grim prism
You already cast it way the fuck too often with little tangible effect
chilly brook
That’s the point
grim prism
You would cast it just as often
uneven mason
right
btu it would actually have a better smoothing curve
because of the opportunity cost
if it lasted 3 hits rather than 1
chilly brook
If you pressed it once and for the next twelve seconds it was a 50% DR with no bubble to burst that had some sort of a drain on your rage per hit taken it’d be far better
chilly brook
The duration is irrelevant
For conceptual speaking anyways
Although they did have a build on beta where it was exactly that 12 second buff with 12 second CD that was flat 50% DR with rage drain per hit
And for some reason scrapped it
ionic ridge
Basicly warrior manashield?
solid mist
did they ever say why?
chilly brook
Nope
chilly brook
Depends on how much rage per hit
We already generate a decent amount of rage and it’d also mean you wouldn’t keep 100% uptime on it and be broken
But it would mean we would have a smoothing tool that did something
chrome harbor
I think the issue was it worked a little too well as a mini defensive CD
solid mist
heaven forbid
chilly brook
Hell I’d be happy with a toggle that drained rage and you could turn it off or on
Similar to Breath
But minus the huge CD that breath has
chrome harbor
thematically that'd fit but i kind of like the spammy nature of the prot war
fringe crow
So is there any chance of a fix that doesn't involve giving us a form of self healing?
uneven mason
yeah
fleet ridge
definitely possible Grixx
chilly brook
It’s not like we don’t have another rage dump that rarely gets used outside a free use
Also they should just get rid of the cd on Revenge
ionic ridge
Wait, you can use it outside of free use?
frosty wedge
lol
chilly brook
Same applies to Shield Slam
ionic ridge
chrome harbor
get that outta here
chilly brook
Panda>goblin
frosty wedge
Stop trying to make Ravager happen
chilly brook
😉
ionic ridge
Ravager baseline
chrome harbor
pandas are still a thing?
ionic ridge
To fill the gap
chilly brook
Absolutely
uneven mason
Mastery - every point of rage spent during shield block reduces all damage for 5 seconds by % per rage spent this effect can overlap
chilly brook
Panda prot warrior swag right here
@uneven mason if our mastery changes I highly doubt it’d be something to further raise the skill floor of prot
chrome harbor
isnt our mitigation with block fine? id think they need to focus on dmg that we can't block where the EHP arguement kind of falls flat
frosty wedge
dear god
chilly brook
Troll mogs are great
fleet ridge
Why don't they just bring back shield barrier, for magic damage
chrome harbor
are you trying to get transmog removed?
frosty wedge
LOL
fleet ridge
I mean, that's basically ignore pain
but shield barrier i remember being pretty ok
that was a long time ago
chilly brook
There’s some enjoyment in making a truly bad transmog and wearing it
And executing people in arenas as a panda
That’s fun too
chrome harbor
in a weird way thats understandable
chilly brook
@fleet ridge why make another version of basically the same thing?
Why not just fix it
It’s like when they made gladiator stance it was too good so they nerfed it and then no one played it and scrapped it because they made their own problem and never fixed it
frosty wedge
glad stance ❤
chrome harbor
what if they gave us the lego bracers and called it second wind (no one is using that talent anyway). our rage consumption and generation is considerably less, and they could balance the numbers so that it wouldn't be op but would give a bit o hp. or are we super against healing in any form outside VR?
chilly brook
I’d love for them to bring glad stance back
Meh why not just give us MoP second wind
chrome harbor
wasnt that the one that made us unkillable in pvp?
frosty wedge
"we're not going to fix prot, but ow you can do damage in all your favourite gear" - blizz, probably.
nova viper
I loved the lego bracers
oblique wolf
how about dual wield shields
chilly brook
I mean wouldn’t that make sense for a tank? To be stupid hard to kill?
lament thorn
Community: prot warrior needs massive changes! It's easier healing a shadow priest that ripped threat than a prot warrior!
solid mist
if we talk about dual wield shields enough, there is a chance it could happen
my god it would be great
lament thorn
Blizzard: we hear you, and were trying to work on it, we just dont know how to go about it.
chrome harbor
and instead of bladestorm we'd get shieldstorm that blocks/reflects everything!
lament thorn
proceeds to nerf shield block and taunts on all tanks
oblique wolf
hey if fury can hold two two-handers we can hold two sheilds
lament thorn
Blizzard is a small indie company. They have no idea what the fuck they are doing anymore.
chrome harbor
I think the issue is all the longtime devs fucked off to other IPs leaving the new guys to keep the ship afloat. They have some good ideas, but i get the feeling nothing is really thought through or tested
final mist
Shield Block still has two charges; the second one is hidden behind a leveling passive. Taunts all still have their threat modifers in the data, the tooltips are just being simplified, for whatever godforsaken reason.
chilly brook
Blizz: “In order to buff prot we’ve decided to give them titans grip to allow them to use a 2h weapon with their shield, enjoy”
past ledge
Hey guys, should i go with DC trait regardless of IL ? i have a 340 with that trait and another 370 with other traits
lament thorn
At that point you'd be more rage starved
frosty wedge
you currently NEED 1x DC
solid mist
if people like old school style roguelikes. TOME is a really good one. and there is a class in it that dual wields shields, and my god it's great
nova viper
Should have leveled my Dk 🤷
chilly brook
I’m not really rage starved except on Zul where I basically have to pool rage for the bleed
chrome harbor
i know the 2h thing is a meme but it would be cool to wield a spear with a shield... though again our dmg and threat is fine
chilly brook
But yea I’d love a spear
lament thorn
Inb4 warriors have to use daggers to keep rage gen goin lul
lament thorn
We d3 now bois
chrome harbor
d2*
solid mist
hoplite themed stuff would be cool
frosty wedge
everyone tries to put together a spartan xmog immediately
griff has us all beat
lol
chilly brook
Insert Pandamus Rektimus
jovial reef
we already have spears sadly
chrome harbor
Pandamus Decamus Rekticimus*
frosty wedge
sounds too close to rectum griff
chilly brook
Polearms=/=Spears
frosty wedge
what language is =/= a thing in?
jovial reef
there are litteral spears that are classed as polearms of varying lengths but yes a whole weapon category with hundreds of them would be neat
English
lament thorn
Like I want to play my warrior cuz they were hella fun in legion, but my current cotank hates how it is rn and when we were lookin at damage taken, I take a hell of a lot more damage as a Dk and he pointed out I have so much more surv than him
😭 😭
solid mist
<> != =/=
chrome harbor
math is universal language as well, so all of them
frosty wedge
ah, I'm just used to programming, so i was expecting !=
past ledge
is there a way to get 355 Azerite gear other than raids?
lament thorn
Pray to rng on tuesdays
chrome harbor
pvp
solid mist
the M+ weekly chest right?
chilly brook
Sorry I’m not a programmer lol
frosty wedge
lol np
chilly brook
I’m just a video production nerd
lament thorn
frosty wedge
ah nice - I'm a photographer, lol
chilly brook
Aka I’m an over-glorified student handling expensive cameras
old night
@chilly brook ayyyyy
video peeps
well im video/graphic design but im a corporate shill
you freelance or corporate?
chilly brook
That moment when you’re getting the run down on how to assemble a camera and then they’re like “oh by the way that’s a $250,000 camera”
old night
RED?
old night
ah, I graduated in '14
I work in corporate video, I freelance video/photos for a hardcore band tho as their tour photog
But yeah, thats why my name is Filmstrips
chilly brook
Nah a Sony of some sort
old night
weird
chilly brook
Base camera unit is like 115k
chilly brook
Yea supposedly the same ones used for bowl games
split flint
Mastery change is interesting.
rain dune
chrome harbor
wait its been datamined?
split flint
It’d be a good benefit if mastery helped extend DS and it’s effectiveness.
chilly brook
Massive 2 foot or so lense that you drop on the front of it
old night
I had a buddy roll over to my house once for a shoot. Hands me a Helium 8k and is like don't drop this. Butthole pucker ensued
split flint
If they’re planning on removing Crit block.
chilly brook
Yea most of the time I’m just working with an fs5
But we have a few REDs in the lab
old night
What do you shoot on? I'm still invested in Canon DSLR. They're workhorses for a reason
chilly brook
The FS5 normally
lament thorn
Cant expect much out of an indie company though @split flint
old night
REDs are so damn nice. Grading the footage on them is like grading butter
Don't ever go Sony Mirrorless
chilly brook
Wouldn’t know I haven’t had the opportunity to touch a RED yet
Don’t even know if I want to with that price tag lol
split flint
@lament thorn lmao. I mean that solution would be easy and help us not get spiked like a freaking volleyball. But alas indie companies taking forever
lament thorn
They're gonna fuck everything over tryin to rebalance one class and then fuck the rest insanely. Then their excuse is we dont really know how to change it without reworking it. Again.
old night
I've shot primarily on RED and on Canon C series
lament thorn
Ikr
split flint
Lol
chilly brook
Canon is pretty nice tbh especially for their prices
chrome harbor
maybe theyre making it a thing where prot gets reworked ever X.1 patch
split flint
Ha!
lament thorn
I remember when dks were spiky to all hell in legion, warriors were king of damage MIT with God tier IP
Then it got nerfed
split flint
Rip
daring marlin
early EN IP was retarded
lament thorn
It would outheal every healer
split flint
Been tanking some 7+ mythic s and Jesus I’m getting smacked with fortified. Specially big elites in Freehold and such
daring marlin
Everyone is lol
split flint
I just want to survive man.
chrome harbor
try underrot
lament thorn
i mean
grim prism
EN IP was retarded but prot was boring to play in direct proportion
daring marlin
Fort/teeming this expac is lolz
carmine ibex
fort/teeming is such a brutal combo
lament thorn
in a 7 i get smashed on a dk
split flint
I’ve done underdog
grim prism
dev dev dev dev SS dev dev dev dev dev dev
lament thorn
BUT BONESTORM LUL
split flint
Underrot
old night
My next video camera that I actually own (which is that canon dslr I mentioned) is the new BMPCC that shoots 4k in ProRes or Raw
split flint
Teeming got nerfed in first pack. Phew*
blissful imp
Tomorrow is Raging, Necrotic, Tyrannical. Should be much better to push keys
lament thorn
teeming got a roundabout nerf everywhere
split flint
Should*
grim prism
Glad they had all that time to playtest eh?
wet compass
I like the titan grip idea but instead of dual wielding 2 handers let's dual wield shields
split flint
Necrotic tyrannical is pretty brutal.
sand egret
2x shadow of zul
daring marlin
fuck the archer bitch on fort
sand egret
yup.
serene shuttle
Did anyone see the prot warrior changes on the PTR patch notes?
chrome harbor
heroic leap and pray
wet compass
coolest thing to do in pathfinder is shield dual wield
lament thorn
nec tyran aint as bad as you think
grim prism
@serene shuttle pls no
serene shuttle
?
grim prism
MMOC is not patch notes
sand egret
^ it's a datamine
odd ridge
lmao
serene shuttle
"datamined notes"
serene shuttle
Still, I'm assuming people have seen it
sand egret
as a dev myself who deals with those notes on a daily basis, don't take datamined PTR stuff too lightly haha
chrome harbor
i want that mog
lament thorn
has a 4% chance to proc
serene shuttle
Shield Block Raise your shield, blocking all melee attacks against you for 6 sec. These blocks can be critical blocks. Increases Shield Slam damage by 30% while active. Requires Shields. 1 charge. Warrior - Protection Spec. Warrior - Protection Spec. 30 Rage. Instant. 18 sec recharge. 1 charge.
chrome harbor
just a warrior with pillows duct taped all over
serene shuttle
It's saying SB has 1 charge
grim prism
Scroll up to see this exact convo no less than half a dozen times today
daring marlin
old night
I wonder if we'll get buffed enough to become flavor of the month
lament thorn
doubtful
chilly brook
@serene shuttle it’s always had one charge
hot locust
I love that this conversation happens 50 times a day every time shield block shows up in datamining.
grim prism
SB already has one charge baseline, you get a second while leveling
daring marlin
Sure hope not
fringe crow
New Mastery just in they are calling it "Bite Pillow"??
chilly brook
You get the second while leveling
sand egret
Tbh, that change seems to be just a text string change
split flint
Hey am I able to post images here?
grim prism
lament thorn
stagger too stronk my dude
sand egret
the removal of the critical block text is frankly redundant anyway
chilly brook
Can we stop flipping out over data mining?
grim prism
Youre ABLE to @split flint
chrome harbor
I dont see warriors becoming FotM, we're not faceroll enough so bad tanks roll us and our utility isnt there for M+
serene shuttle
I gues I was so used to always having the 2nd charge I forgot it did have 1 baseline...
split flint
Behold the titans grip prot warrior
serene shuttle
lol
old night
"okay start DPS guys"
chrome harbor
and then heroic stri gets hit over the head
vast sedge
Why are they nerfing shield block wtf !!
grim prism
LOL
sand egret
oof
chilly brook
I know we like to meme blizz but I seriously doubt they’d acknowledge prot needs some help and then proceed to nerf our mitigation when they said they’re looking at defensive buffs
grim prism
@split flint gud shitpost
serene shuttle
excuses himself
fringe crow
Being back shield spikes and weapon chains....wait..
split flint
lol @grim prism
lament thorn
jesus christ
chilly brook
@fringe crow yeeeessssssssssss
chrome harbor
I mean they could try to overall buff us, and nerf in some areas to make way for it completely overestimating their changes with a net nerf
chilly brook
Please
old night
so if you have two shields would you have 4 shield blocks? 🤔
sand egret
naw, I wanna take a page out of the Druid book. I want to turn INTO a shield
daring marlin
rofl
old night
i wanna become that bug in shrine when you take the shortcut
how your shield just floats
chrome harbor
and then the offtank can pick you up
sand egret
why can't we get that big ass shield all them NPCs get
fleet ridge
illidan shield still best shield
becuase its enermous
and had gigantic spikes come on
sand egret
if we can't get a GET BEHIND ME moment as a warrior tank, class fantasy has failed imho
old night
I have yet to get it to drop in almost a year
split flint
New prot warrior shield form
fleet ridge
yes @sand egret
sand egret
aka
fleet ridge
we should also be 3x as large as any other person
fleet ridge
class antasy
sand egret
reroute Fixate effects
chrome harbor
an ability like the mechs in motherload where you have to get behind them would be cool for some group utility
sand egret
boom, unique Warrior utility
split flint
@sand egret check out that pic.
fleet ridge
ICEWALL
chilly brook
Well intercept is technically still useful
old night
when in doubt, they'll release another class with a tank spec that will push us further down the list
split flint
To an extent.
grim prism
Based on the discussions ive had here over the past year or two I'm convinced most of you are part-wall to begin with tbh
split flint
You can intercept into some nasty stuff
sand egret
if you have to say "technically useful"...I think that proves my point haha
split flint
Lmao!
split flint
Into fire
chilly brook
Lol
old night
I use intercept on our warlock on Mother
chilly brook
Well safeguard is useful
Just not useful all the time
And you actually have to use your brain
old night
I feel like I used it more in Legion
chilly brook
Hence why “technically”
sand egret
it is, I just want it to be more useful
old night
also anyone else notice the weird ass pathing for intercept in Uldir?
sand egret
like not be limited to 1 attack
old night
I sometimes zig zag left and right and around shit sometimes
split flint
@grim prism why is your name so familiar?
chilly brook
Yea sometimes
split flint
Charging is weird in these dungeons and raids too
lament thorn
honestly remove IP from GCD, maybe buff rage gen a bit, and make armor a bit more exponential on warrior, and it could work on fixing it somewhat
chilly brook
It’s really obvious in KR it always bugs out on the third boss
old night
yep
sand egret
I don't mind IP on the GCD, tbh
old night
thats where ive noticed it the most
sand egret
I mind that IP just stinks
grim prism
Not sure, it was my rogue's name until I got flagged while farming bloody coins on a small server in MoP
fringe crow
What if they gave us a banner we could throw down to reduce group damage take or even increase damage done?? Lolololol
fleet ridge
if IP didn't suck, it being on the GCD would be ok
grim prism
@fringe crow stop lol
sand egret
the GCD isn't a problem if it didn't blow
lament thorn
i mean we back in wod bois
old night
IP just feels like an afterthought
lament thorn
BANNERSDROP SKULL BANNER!
old night
like "well fuck what do we do to fix this problem? eh ignore pain"
split flint
Why use IP when you can shield block and actually mitigate dmg
neon tangle
Hey intercept is useful
split flint
Gj blizz
chrome harbor
you mean how they tried all of beta to come up with something else then said 'fuck it' when they ran outta time and just put it back in?
neon tangle
when I'm running away from fort teeming trash packs
old night
exactly lol
lament thorn
make prot warrior dps!
lament thorn
BRING BACK GLAD STANCE 😄
chrome harbor
prot warrior dps is already pretty nasty
grim prism
More like sad stance
chrome harbor
at least in M+
split flint
^
sand egret
lol
neon tangle
ALSO, why are there so many un-cc-able mobs in MOTHERLODE
daring marlin
Sadiator
lament thorn
was such a fucking meme, but it outdpsed alot of classes first week of wod raids
daring marlin
Badiator
chilly brook
I’d love for glad stance to come back
neon tangle
like the floating guys
sand egret
DW shields so far has been the best idea
old night
ToS and Antorus DPS/Healing was pretty bananas
sand egret
let's get on that train
fleet ridge
DW shields would be amazing
old night
if you had the right gear
daring marlin
no
neon tangle
@sand egret Oh cool so I can not get shield drops for 2 slots now
chilly brook
I love the idea of a damage dealer who has a shield
split flint
Telling you guys
lament thorn
what the fuck would you do with 2 sields? smash em into the target?
daring marlin
We have a hard enough time getting one decent shield!
chrome harbor
I mean, it would fit into making each class different
sand egret
well @neon tangle it can join my ring slots!
fringe crow
Our mastery could be a sort of commanding presence... 🤔
old night
just drop your main hand weapon, and hit shit over the head with your shield like a chair shot in WWE
call it Chair Stance
daring marlin
split flint
It is possible
lament thorn
warriors in a nutshell rn
lament thorn
bruh
sand egret
omg
chilly brook
Dual shields is like the worst idea in the world from irl standpoint
oblique bay
i need
split flint
This isn’t irl tho
sand egret
and replace Ravager with a 2-strike Shield Slam
chilly brook
Still makes no sense
sand egret
it's twice as good as blocking with one shield
chilly brook
Can’t hold threat if you can’t reach your target 🤔
sand egret
simple math
split flint
Lightweight shield
old night
nah heres how it works bois
lament thorn
rename it shield combo, does the same thing last boss in KR does except with overpowering blows from a shield
chilly brook
Lol now we’re eating their class fantasy
old night
you hold your hands out with the shield like a bird right
fleet ridge
no no no
old night
then you spin around like an ice skater
fleet ridge
throwing a shield is no specific class fantasy
old night
e z
fleet ridge
that's like saying, rogues use swords and warriors use swords, wtf no
chilly brook
Lol
split flint
Rage!
sand egret
ANGRY THROW
lament thorn
just bladestorm with 2 shields LUL
old night
exactly
split flint
Thunderclap would make sense
lament thorn
i remember watching warriors use bladestorm on nazgrin and theys say it was for the parry
split flint
Smack two shields together
old night
also dont worry
because if they fuck it up
they'll just use ignore pain to cover up the fuck ups
thorn yarrow
ok but real talk tho can I just be Link with the Big Goron Sword an Massive Reflect Shield from A Link to the Past plz
chilly brook
Bruh like real talk
sand egret
speaking of which, can we get Angry Ignore Pain which turns a % of our incoming damage to a DoT and Angry Strike which also heals us for damage taken in the past 5 seconds. Oh, and Avatar is renamed to Angry Form where we get increased armor and hp
chilly brook
I’m actually considering rerolling alliance to play darkiron
daring marlin
Angry form
split flint
Honestly the idea of two shield warriors is funny as hell, running around smacking both shields dealing AoE damage.
daring marlin
You’re adorable
old night
so you become "Acacia Strain Tank Edition?" @sand egret
old night
So griff
I grind out 7th legion for weeks
get dark iron, race change from norm dwarf
day after ANNOUNCING DWARF HERITAGE ARMOR
i cri
split flint
Prot warriors might as well fight with their fists
old night
100%
wild atlas
Did data mining reveal they’re removing the threat bonus from taunt? Not a huge deal imo, but odd.
daring marlin
emo dorf
lament thorn
I mean, prot pal and monk taunts worked like that for the longest
old night
I usually get emo dorf or nathan explosion
old night
I enjoy Modern Baseball and Knocked Loose so both of those comparisons work for me
chilly brook
Not indicative of any actual change
old night
@wild atlas data mining revealed dual shields btw
sand egret
can confirm
chilly brook
Don’t forget shadow hunters
sand egret
awesome increased by 20%
wild atlas
Lolololol
old night
Ignore Pain is actually being reworked to "Ignore Main Hand Weapon"
junior igloo
lament thorn
😂
chilly brook
It hurts my eyes
thorn yarrow
shtap!
lament thorn
old night
For real tho. If I could mog two big ass illidan shields as a dark iron
I'd be so happy
thorn yarrow
Jokes on you they would remove spell reflect because of duel shields
old night
mainly because our devastate animation is a backhanded spin
sand egret
they would
daring marlin
nah
old night
who needs to hit us with a spell when we can block it with a wall of shields
sand egret
Shield STORRRRM
wild atlas
No but he reason I actually asked about taunt “changes” for testing is because I wish we had the same effect as provoke for monks. I always wanted our talent baked into taunt to make the taunted add run faster
old night
Rallying Shield
old night
Shield Clap
daring marlin
!!!!!!!!
sand egret
Shieldwave
thorn yarrow
forget boulder toss lemme just get leap quake
chrome harbor
Ignore Shield
thorn yarrow
with a pull in
old night
Heroic Throw is just the paladin throw with one of our shields
sand egret
or Avatar turning me into a super sayain
thorn yarrow
sand egret
he gets it ^
old night
Yep
thorn yarrow
it should be called "This isn't even my final form"
sand egret
Impending Shield. Badass.
chilly brook
Just rename thunderclap to bootyclap
thorn yarrow
then u just turn into a wall
digital arrow
shield slams for days
thorn yarrow
SOLD
old night
I need this
chilly brook
Lol
old night
imagine some dude breaking in while you're playing prot. WRONG FUCKIN HOUSE TO ROB
digital arrow
gotta always be prepared for home invaders
sand egret
to be honest, the DH Veng hidden artifact appearance and the mage tower ones look like dual weilding shields
chrome harbor
Cool you can defend your house from level 1 quilboars
daring marlin
here we go boys
wet compass
so for the dual wielding shields we would just hit thunderclap and then when they got pissed off they would impale themselves on our shields
wet compass
mog would matter again your damage will be based on number of spikes you have
wet compass
better mog to wrath helm for that sexy bleed when you get attacked
and bulwarks
oh or skullflame shield
chilly brook
@sand egret that’s because their artifact was supposed to be a shield hybrid weapon almost
Which is why most of them had some sort of a buckler over the grip
wet compass
my dk is 119.5 I'm riding the lord scenario to the end screw questing 😃
I wish we had the dh mage tower appearence
it's awesome
but I want two shields not just one
chrome harbor
I kind of want to wait till invasions for alts, I leveled my warrior and mage, can’t seem to push myself to level anything else atm
old night
what is this DK you speak of. You are in the halls of shields
wet compass
one shield is for plebs and paladins
dual wielding shields is the way of the true tank
old night
im gonna buy two of those tables and only equip the table tops
wild atlas
I hope they bring back Neltharions Fury. That was my favorite warrior ability in the game. Channels are fun.
wet compass
I wouldn't mind having it right now
chrome harbor
Didn’t captain America fight with two shields in INfinity wars?
Well ‘shields’ by technicality
wild atlas
I mean if we had Nelths, Bolster and Shield Block....
chilly brook
More like push daggers with a giant guard lol
wild atlas
But no I just thought the stand still and raise your shield was a little meh
sick sentinel
it was shit until it was insanely good nelths i mean
old night
sneak peak of the new dual shield rotation in 8.1
junior ivy
wow last boss in temple is suuch a long fight
old night
wet compass
junior ivy
was in temple +8 started last boss with 3 mins to spare, we figure we are definitely one chesting
wet compass
It all makes sense
junior ivy
we finish 7 misn past timer
wet compass
we just put slashy spikes on one shield and attack with it
old night
taking a page out of Orc design I like it. When it doubt just add spikes
junior ivy
it felt liek it was tkaing the adds forever to die..
solid mist
well our best attack is thunderclap. so yeah dual shields just slowly wlak forward while slamming the ground with dominant foot.
junior ivy
like ages
sick sentinel
and maybe bad dps aswell
wet compass
hell yeah king
solid mist
get some techno viking shit up in these raids
chilly brook
Lol 😂
solid mist
"oh you think drunk monks are cool... check this out"
chilly brook
I’m gonna make a thunderclap montage and put the techno Viking music behind it
wet compass
They just stab with their shields we can totally do that
solid mist
new mastery: shield-kata
old night
nah thats a new allied race
wet compass
Also I found the way they are going to make marks tolerable again
digital arrow
not enough shields boys, need more shields
wet compass
digital arrow
shields on legs too
chilly brook
Still can’t believe I hit 120k+ DPS in prot 🙃
digital arrow
on which fight griff?
odd ridge
They're just gonna give us siege tank mode where we block everything but cant go anywhere
digital arrow
badass
chilly brook
Trash lol
digital arrow
scyre that would be awesome
chilly brook
How would I possibly do 120k on an actual fight lol
snow hinge
I can
digital arrow
lol
daring marlin
urmumgae
wet compass
Zul maybe
chilly brook
Zul nah
chilly brook
You need a ton of adds to do it
wet compass
and only you attacked the adds
sick sentinel
Sub can do 40k on zul luv
wet compass
everyone else single targets zul
chilly brook
Like a lot of adds
digital arrow
"dont kill adds, lemme raise my dps" -war
chilly brook
snow hinge
I am a god prot warrior. The only one who can beat me is a dark iron boy named filmstrips
chilly brook
There’s the clip
chilly brook
Pardon the aids laugh
wet compass
still lost to the inferior 2 hand user
old night
I mean, it's aight
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
old night
needs more shields tbh
clear sapphire
I saw a clip of a pally solo vactis aftward in a few sexonds
wet compass
we need dual shields so we can teach them their rightful place
wild atlas
Not as good as his Vectus one shot
wet compass
under our boots
chrome harbor
we could call it.... plate armor
wet compass
and a giant helm of wrath blade sticking out the top
chilly brook
Look guys I’m trying here, I can only meme thunderclap so hard
wet compass
plate armor doesn't have enough spikes
triple bulwark of azzinoth
that's more like it
chrome harbor
you need to get in touch with your inner orc
crystal wadi
Why wear armor when we could just wear different sized shields all over our bodies?
chrome harbor
spikes on errrthing
old night
mudhuts and spikes
chrome harbor
whoa we upgraded to steel and spikes in cata
wet compass
mudhuts and poo*
old night
oh shit, you guys are in the iron age now
chrome harbor
progress
wet compass
puny orcs let themselves be ordered about by an undead hag
old night
as an ally, I really am envious of highmountain and slightly of mag'har
but i'll keep my dark iron over everything
chrome harbor
mag'har awesomeness is grounded by their shitty racials
old night
i haven't even seen them, are they hot trash
chilly brook
As a horde panda I’m envious of dark iron dwarves and thicc bois
old night
Fireblood is legit OP. I love it
chrome harbor
we get a random secondary
split flint
Fire blood is busted
glossy bramble
yeah maghar seems like they might have some of the worst racials in the game
chilly brook
Who doesn’t want to be a fat warrior is huge armor?
wet compass
kt suck
old night
I purged 3 stacks with fireblood and was god
wet compass
let me be normal sized human kt damn it
split flint
Worgen warriors look so dope but I want those dwarf facials :/
chilly brook
Maghar racials sim higher than normal orc racials
wet compass
or a high elf I'm not that picky but no large marge
digital arrow
i really want fire blood but i cannot stand playing as a dwarf im sorry
glossy bramble
love that 10% pet hp buff when they only have 1 pet class for it to be useless on
digital arrow
damnit
split flint
Racials
wet compass
same pocky
chilly brook
Panda racials are the best though
digital arrow
yeah dude, i'd rather play gnome and laugh at my character every now and then lol
boreal depot
Hey guys, probably late to the party... just saw the 8.1 PTR changes... what's the chances of these changes being shipped? Are we dead?
old night
If they redo the worgen models to look like Genn in the cinematic to be upright and actual werewolf looking they will look great
rn they just look like rabies dogs
split flint
Lol
frosty wedge
I've levelled 4 tanks so far. lol
wet compass
I'd rather play a human female and have the second biggest weapon size in game
to only male taurens
chilly brook
I wonder if they’re trying to say something about female humans? 🤔
neon tangle
@boreal depot Blizz said warrs have incoming buffs, unlikely that we will be dead
They certainly won't just randomly remove our mastery
old night
@boreal depot its looking like we'll be dual wielding shields man
split flint
Dual wield shields lmao
boreal depot
shield BOIZ
split flint
And a new item slot
digital arrow
dont forget the shields on their legs too
boreal depot
all the shields
split flint
Knee pads
neon tangle
@chrome harbor Warriors no longer need to face the enemy
chilly brook
Give Horde vrykul plz
old night
its basically a turtle spec. If shit happens we pop ignore pain and curl up into a block of shields
digital arrow
someone mentioned siege mode from starcraft
chrome harbor
psh, facing the right way is such a dated concept