shut summit
look at bottom too from your bossmods, it shows only 2 people getting debuffs when you use SR
#protection
vagrant cape
"thank you mr patient tank
you were really good
specially since ur a prot warriro lmfao"
-a shitty pug rogue
fringe marten
Without reading the entire days worth of backlog here; have any solidified changes been locked in on beta for us yet?
cosmic magnet
Someone have the awnser of why did they change mastery ? She wasn't overpowered no ?
fringe marten
William don't worry about the changes to mastery until the patch actually hits, what tooltips show in beta fluxuates greatly to live. And if they bone us...what will we do? what warriors always do...keep finding a way to be useful.
I was wondering if anything had actually been finalized but I'm guessing the answer is no.
steel mauve
literally hasnt even been officially announce
fringe marten
Oh I thought these changes were hitting tuesday?
steel mauve
just datamined, and no there havent been any word of changes so far
daring marlin
I hope they do axe our current mastery,.
reef fulcrum
Did they change mastery in the PTR?
daring marlin
give us something not shit pls
steel mauve
"DATAMINED"
fringe marten
What our mastery does is amazing; we just need more mastery ๐
daring marlin
@steel mauve poor guy
steel mauve
means no it hasnt been changed, and no patch notes havent even been released for it i dont believe
steel mauve
our mastery is extremely inconsistent, which is really bad in the current tank structure of bfa
fringe marten
Guilford as legion progressed and we got up to having the ability to have around 50% (with really good itemization) mastery...the RNG factor largely falls away, and you critically block ...a lot ๐
steel mauve
ya, that was legion
daring marlin
That helps right now a whole lot. ๐
steel mauve
this is bfa, a different tanking structure
fringe marten
Right; hence my statement...what mastery does is very powerful, we just need MORE mastery. (or a retool of the ability)
steel mauve
the way tanks as a whole operate are different and the structure of tanking swayed, right now inconsistency is pretty bad
stacking more mastery right now would kind of be gimping your self at both the cost of haste and ilvl to do so more than likely
fringe marten
Inconsistency is simply a different word for what it has always meant "spikey" and yes, spikey tanking is scary tanking...and it makes it poor for situations where you're trying to build a tightly tuned strategy (mythic raiding).
Iron; absolutely...because there simply isn't enough mastery to go around...hence why we could only have good haste and 45~50% mastery at the end of legion.
steel mauve
spiky doesnt exactly relate to inconsistency, there have been times where you knew the tank would spike, our mastery mostly revolves around rng, which is a nightmare honestly
daring marlin
^^^^^
round vortex
Where we are at right now is that Blizzard have given us the recognition that we are not in a good place (not to be confused with in a bad place).
They have said that in the next few weeks there will be bandaids put on us to "not solve all protection warrior problems but to see us through to the next tuning pass"
Meaning there will be two instances of us getting buffed / changed.
All the data mining stuff will likely be the 8.1 changes and I'd just ignore them for now as its no where near complete.
I would expect a numbers change in the interim however - could be armor, stam, IP value or something that just helps by changing a number (or a few numbers hopefully). We won't see anything mechanically different in the initial change.
signal plover
@shut summit interesting animation for sure then, logs confirm it only goes on two ppl when I SR one (3 go out every other time in P2). Thanks.
sick sentinel
๐
lucid kelp
steelskin pot vs Str pot for survbiving? or is it situational?
fair root
Dont we always Str pot as str gives you armor and stam and damage
lucid kelp
and ignore pain
but just wasn't sure if the 900 armor from steelskin could out pace it
raven kernel
Really depends on what kinda damage you're taking
round vortex
The normal and sensible assumption is that a purely defensive potion would be better to use defensively than a raw STR potion. But I don't think that's the case lol.
If you were getting fully melee'd in that time then it would likely pull in front. STR is ALWAYS useful and Steelskin is sometimes useful so i guess we just run strength.
raven kernel
If the dmg is so high that ip gets eaten up quickly even with shield block up (which is why youd consider potting) then I'd pot armor if it's all physical
For mythic mother prog I used armor pots until we got used to things
On the first crossover group
sick sentinel
My current gearing plan right now is to just get ilvl and then haste and ignore the other secondary
I am just trying to get the big secondary to be haste on the highest piece oh gear
All I want is SB to have a 12 sec CD
Is this a wrong mentality?
steel mauve
shouldnt ignore the other secondaires at all, they arent bad just because they are lower in the order
vagrant cape
but other than that, your strat will work
steel mauve
and you should really only follow the stat priority on same ilvl gear any ways
vagrant cape
^^^
@sick sentinel your gearing plan makes it seem like if you have two 370 pieces with no haste you'll just throw one on at random since they don't have haste
steel mauve
just dont think crit is bad for us
vagrant cape
no secondary is bad
sick sentinel
Its not bad, its rng
vagrant cape
that's why ilvl is most important
steel mauve
it gained value after losing BC, but just the other stats are better
vagrant cape
crit is mathematically the most powerful defensive secondary stat
sick sentinel
I said I do not care because they are more or less the same power level
vagrant cape
but it's rng which is why it's at the bottom
steel mauve
all our secondaries are actually very close together in terms of strength
sick sentinel
I love parrying shit like bleeds or hard hits
lucid kelp
all I know is..Mythic Zek'voz is kicking myguilds ass
sick sentinel
Like the crush from the tree boss is manor
vagrant cape
There was talk earlier about mentioning new ideas for prot warrior abilities/mechanics.
I'd really like something along the line of a hook and chain gladiatorial ability that stunned an enemy while you slowly channeled to drag them to you (I was thinking similar to Thresh's hook from LoL if y'all are familiar).
ember arrow
Thresh
cerulean tusk
General chat is down under ^^' Keep it themed to arms atleast somewhat, ye?
vagrant cape
I started playing that game when ezreal first came out and the twisted treeline was in beta. good times. But this is digressing too much for the prot channel
cerulean tusk
Prot even*
steel mauve
ya i styarted in the actual beta, got the corki skin and all lol
vagrant cape
nope, this is the arms channel now
steel mauve
back before it got all mains tream and shit ๐
ember arrow
If a mod got a problem theyll mention it
cerulean tusk
What have I done... Welp, I tried. HF leaguers ๐
vagrant cape
I kinda want a trample ability. Activate it and you get a buff for like 8 seconds that makes you deal a burst of damage and slow enemies around you whenever you move 10 yards
that's more of a bear ability, though
abstract vector
Would love if prot warriors for the ability to modify thunderclap so that it drags mobs in each time you use it
ember arrow
Magic
vagrant cape
that'd be too nuts
sick sentinel
That should be cool lol
abstract vector
Or a chance to lol
vagrant cape
I want new ideas
steel mauve
^
vagrant cape
I WANT NEW STUFF. GET ME ORIGINAL IDEAS. GET ME PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN.
cerulean tusk
Could get our AoE taunt back perhaps, with a forced movment action towards us?
steel mauve
we need to stop trying to copy what other tanks have, and just have some thing original
i do miss the fuck out of aoe taunt
vagrant cape
I'd be down for the ability to toss enemies
cerulean tusk
Not very prot warrior though, more Fury.
abstract vector
Fury would be the one tossed
sick sentinel
Tiny from dota
vagrant cape
I want the ability to be Wonder Woman when she was going across No-Man's Land.
sacred roost
is the object right now to stack 3 Deafening Crash, for tanking? and does that gives 6 seconds extra Demo?
steel mauve
no
sick sentinel
No
vagrant cape
That was an awesome scene and she was totally a prot warrior in that moment
sick sentinel
That would be nuts dude
sacred roost
so dc, and what in the other slots?
vagrant cape
I want a stance that lowers my movement by like 80%, removes my ability to attack, but grants me a shitton of damage reduction for myself and all allies behind me
abstract vector
Give us a two hander and shield. Have a phalanx ability that does a conal defense debuff on mobs
sick sentinel
If you are in uldir like archive of the titans once for the buff
vagrant cape
maybe a stance would be too op, but a CD like that would be sweet
sick sentinel
DUAL WIELD SHIELDS
abstract vector
Or toss a shield to a friendly player lol
vagrant cape
oooh
cerulean tusk
Dual Wield shields, for when 1 slam aint enough.
abstract vector
YOU GET A SHIELD. YOU GET A SHIELD. EVERYONE GETS A SHIELD
sick sentinel
Imagine shield slam with 2 shields
sacred roost
azerite veins for middle? and gemhide for last then I guess.
abstract vector
Or a proximity shield effect on cd
vagrant cape
I'm thinking of a board game called Gloomhaven. There's a class called the Brute that embodies prot warrior fantasy better than anything I've experienced from WoW so far.
abstract vector
For all members around you
sick sentinel
What if when you intervened somebody that is getting attacked, you taunted that thing
vagrant cape
ooh, I like that. Like a trick of the trade or a misdirect that a tank has
I'd like a shield bash that knocked an enemy the fuck back
if I can't slow anything, at least let me get it out of my face
abstract vector
or use that shield from HoV that surrounds a 10 yard area around you that looks like the bulwark shield
vagrant cape
that's pretty dope, but that feels more paladin to me
abstract vector
Paladins have that
no one uses it
or had
can't remember
the Aegis of Light
vagrant cape
they still have it
abstract vector
too long of a CD for too little reduction
vagrant cape
honestly prot warriors seem like the tank that's most likely to use pushes and we don't have any. It's unfortunate
abstract vector
i still believe that Prot Warriors need to have 2 hander and shield by default. We are the weapon masters with titanic grip. Have a ability that drops you into a shield up and you stab forward while moving forward and pushing mobs back
kind of like the highmountain bull rush, but not as rushed
vagrant cape
It would make gearing off-specs way easier, too
abstract vector
im thinking of 300 spartans
daring marlin
It is quite awkward to have 1H in our pool.
Considering only prot uses it.
Then again, Frost DKs.
sick sentinel
Right now I have a 365, a 350 gettiku from KR and a 355 one hand
vagrant cape
but it would lower our chance of getting a shield from atal'dazar D:
abstract vector
another cool idea is that our heroic leap also leaps with our party members around us
aka the prot warrior bsicaly carrying everybody with him
vagrant cape
that will never happen
abstract vector
lol
daring marlin
tell it to priests lol
vagrant cape
from a game design standpoint, just no. prot warriors could insta-wipe an entire lfr on MOTHER
daring marlin
on ragnaros
outer dew
Sounds like I could pick up and drag someone to Africa on accidents
sick sentinel
Throwing people would be fun though
woeful reef
Or a charge that pulls all mobs between you and the target you charged with you. A pseudo charge/pull.
abstract vector
like the barbarian move from Diablo
vagrant cape
when are you ever charging through mobs to the spot you want to tank them all at?
abstract vector
it was what i was invisioning with the thunderclap pull in
outer dew
And the problem with 2h + Sheild would be that warriors would have much more stats in general
daring marlin
Grabbing abd tossing mobs would be beyond hilarious.
outer dew
No?
sick sentinel
No wait
daring marlin
Not necessarily.
sick sentinel
The leap from diablo 3 that pulls everything on you where you land
outer dew
The same ilvl 2h is approx same as 1h and shield
When it comes to stats
The combination would inflate warrior stats and damage would have to be nerfed if the taunt fiasco goes toward
lofty salmon
anyone have tips for holding aggro? With higher geared players its almost impossible to get some mobs off people if they hit them first....
cinder nova
You mean Leap (Call of Arreat)?
sick sentinel
Yeah swole
steel mauve
there should never be aggro problems honestly
abstract vector
Call of Arreat
Shockwaves burst forth from the ground increasing the radius of effect to 16 yards and pulling affected enemies towards you.
outer dew
Do you avatar prepull?
steel mauve
we have the highest dps and threat so there should be no problems
outer dew
Avatar prepull will help with aggro on trash
sick sentinel
@lofty salmon avatar-charge,TC and you never use aggro
lofty salmon
I do not...hmm that might help
cinder nova
Honestly I'd prefer Ground Stomp (Wrenching Smash)
sick sentinel
Also revenge once and get deep wounds on everything
outer dew
I mean
woeful reef
eh, that'll teach em
steel mauve
then thats an incompetent dps problem
lofty salmon
taunt doesnt even make up for their dps sometimes
abstract vector
lol ground stomp is thunderclap
outer dew
They'll learn from dying
sick sentinel
Let them die
cinder nova
Not really
vagrant cape
The problem I see with a lot of prot warriors (and people who play WoW in general) is that they hold their CDs for way too long. Use em when you got em.
Especially avatar/demo
outer dew
I mean. I avatar and demo and CD
steel mauve
AM basiocally encourages just blowing cd's
sick sentinel
What if shockwave brought everything in front of you
cinder nova
That's what we're talking about.
Make shockwave behave like the wrenching stomp rune
outer dew
I gotta figure out how to pace shield wall into my pulls
cerulean tusk
No, you intervene to your dps - take the damage, then pull of the agro. Save the day. Standing over his mauled body, his shield - your pecks glittering in the sunlight as your cloak shrouds your dead foes in shadow.
outer dew
What is this rp
vagrant cape
I'm a gnome so that imagery is fantastic
sick sentinel
LOL
cerulean tusk
I protek.
outer dew
I'm a female panda
I do not like this imagery
Is my stomach shaved?
So that I can see these abs?
ember arrow
I hope not
cerulean tusk
You are half horse.
outer dew
I sometimes forget devastate exist
abstract vector
shockwave breaks the ground, causing mobs to fly into the air and toward you
outer dew
Ngl
steel mauve
devestate isnt really that devestating ๐
outer dew
Don't we have "shock wave"
lucid kelp
make devastator baseline
outer dew
It's just a stun
undone sun
Ignore pain doesn't really ignore that much pain
cinder nova
^
outer dew
:^)
daring marlin
right?
cinder nova
outer dew
I mean
daring marlin
yeesh
lucid kelp
I wish we had supress pain >> like that one guy from Island expeditions
outer dew
Shield block doesn't really block. How can I stop damage from Taloc when a rock boi rapes me
sick sentinel
Revenge is not exactly getting back at them
abstract vector
remove Ravager, give us Earthquake
lucid kelp
i'd rather have the rune that pushes ignore pain to all of your party members >>
abstract vector
^
lucid kelp
then we'd have some utility
abstract vector
would make us more viable in m+
warrior shouting at his party members to man up
oh wiat, thats commanding shout
lol
ember arrow
Bard
sick sentinel
Mass spell reflect for PvE
ember arrow
Not if u played d&d
outer dew
That sounds like a str boi
ember arrow
U can make it however u want
abstract vector
but yea, blizzard can take some cues from the barbarian from d3 for prot warriors
ember arrow
Bliz logo looks just like the duablo dev logo
sick sentinel
And probably the crusader (I'm looking at your 2h and shield )
lucid kelp
mass spell reflect would be so good in pve
abstract vector
crusader is paladin
lucid kelp
crusader is top tier >>
abstract vector
also wish paladins had the falling sword ability
but thats too much like infernal leap
daring marlin
Condemn.
Imagine condemn+vacuum on paladin.
looooool
a more consistent, smaller radius gorefiend's
abstract vector
just give thunderclap a passive percentage chance to pull a mob in one yard
avatar increases that chance
sick sentinel
Yeah becuase more rng is what we want
sick sentinel
Give us spell reflect that does more than 20%
Or revert the change to TC to slow like 50% again
Oh wait that were legion artifact traits
abstract vector
crys
Inspiring Presence
The duration of your shouts is doubled. After using a shout you and all allies within 100 yards regenerate 3% of maximum Life per second for 120 seconds.
Your shouts are:
Battle Rage
Threatening Shout
War Cry
barbarian talent
modify it for prot warrior
instead of just a passive heal
fervent veldt
What if we get 4 arms and wield 4 shields
sick sentinel
Dr octopus from spiderman
sick sentinel
That's called shield wall I think
fervent veldt
shield wall shield wall
abstract vector
Bulwark - 30 second cooldown - Warrior spikes the ground with his shield, allowing his allies to use the shield to defend themselves for 5 seconds. 20% dmg reduction
lucid kelp
i mean
abstract vector
like a temporary shield barrier
lucid kelp
Fury gets 2 2handers....why can't prot dual wield shields?
fervent veldt
LOL
abstract vector
just matters on what is the fantasy of prot warrior that blizzard is trying to achieve
cloud bone
I'd love to wield 2 shields and that be our thing
cloud bone
ehhh I'd prefer the double shield
then I could protect my back or any other area besides my front
fervent veldt
rienhart shield in wow
abstract vector
sick sentinel
YES
cloud bone
๐ฏ
undone sun
BiS
cerulean tusk
Dont steal Fury's idea of Towershields, do your own thing! Go back to silly small shields.
And you forgot the footblades.
cloud bone
what do you mean footblades just hold your sword with rage fulled anger
but with a sword
cerulean tusk
That doesnt seem very warrior tho.
cerulean tusk
Just use Wrath headpice?
static lance
Prot warriors, the movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdfgf0bP9v4
waxen cradle
LOL nothing quite like queueing for a M+ as a Warrior tank and getting declined instantly it makes me laugh every time
cerulean tusk
In a hearty happy laugh? ๐
waxen cradle
It really is
sick sentinel
What is your .io score?
abstract vector
LOL what i was imagining with the group heroic leap
easy way to avoid trolling have the warrior target an area, and stand stil while channeling, whoever clicks on the warrior gets launched to the target, and once the channel is done the warrior launches himself
like in the movies when people stand under a shield and let someone jump off the shield while they push
cerulean tusk
Max Portal trolling, activate!
abstract vector
when the shield holder *
sick sentinel
No just target a guy and throw the closest guy to you on that target
slow cedar
So Mastery: Crit Block is being removed, shield block can't crit block anymore and will instead buff shield slam by 30%...
wtf
abstract vector
where are you guys seeing this
abstract vector
@sick sentinel https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/HeftyHopefulAmazontreeboa
steel mauve
oh hey a "DATAMINED" change on the ptr thats completely capable of changing
slow cedar
yeah because datamining is usually wrong
undone sun
well
slow cedar
oh wait
undone sun
it's PTR, we don't know exactly what blizzard has planned so it's best to wait until we get further information to start worrying
steel mauve
its subject to change, and im ok with getting rid of crit block if it can be some thing else that would be more consistent honestly
sick sentinel
I just want to see the new az traits
steel mauve
ya, because they are just gonna remove our mastery with out trying to improve or change it
undone sun
there's 3 options
A) simplifying the tooltips for everyone to understand
B) Complete rework to mastery to buff the spec
C)Data mining error
astral crystal
do you really think they'll let a class go without mastery?
isn't it more reasonable to assume it was removed to be reworked, much like IP?
undone sun
all are entirely possible, B) is identical to how IP got changed
fair lantern
I wish i knew what, if any, changes we are getting, i debate reroll every day
astral crystal
i mean at this point you should already have a backup tank
undone sun
^
sick sentinel
The only other tank I would play is dk tbh
waxen cradle
My second tank is a DK... it has been tough to not shelf my warrior and just say screw it and go DK
abstract vector
all the tanks
sick sentinel
I hate monks, guardians are just scuffed warriors and they are ridiculously bad and demon hunters are stupid
This has nothing to do with power, just the feel of the spec for me personally
round vortex
Did anyone here even read their post?
static lance
Honestly, I levelled and geared up a paladin (for healing, but I end up tanking most of the time) and it really doesn't feel any tougher than warrior. sure, I can heal myself and let the healer DPS a bit more, but warriors do more damage by themselves, so it kinda evens out.
round vortex
They literally said they are buffing us.
waxen cradle
Going Druid would not feel that great to me because they feel barely in a better condition than warriors
round vortex
If you can't comprehend what a PTR is you shouldn't read it's notes.
sick sentinel
Oh yeah paladins can also tank
steel mauve
bear is boring af
sick sentinel
I'm not leveling a paladin
static lance
I only play one cos I like Avenger's Shield.
sick sentinel
My views on classes are prerty stupid
waxen cradle
Oh I personally fully understand what a PTR is.. however it would be nice if anyone could log on it and test things, but as for now they still do not want us to
undone sun
just have to wait, ptr is usually up but they seem to be holding it off for more internal testing
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vagrant cape
damn. according to raider.io there are only 4 prot warriors in the top 200 for m+. and the first one is rank 67
undone sun
giving them the benefit of the doubt
steel mauve
just because its not up doesnt mean its not getting tested, ptr is just -public- test realm
and to be honest, ptr is about 98% of players just wanting to play different classes and not actually test things out
undone sun
pretty much
sick sentinel
Well Byron what we been saying is that warrior right now is viable and able able do most content no problem not pushing for the top
There are classes that are better than us in terms of surviving or utility
Ofc they will take somebody else for a top tier leaderboards run
raven kernel
Pushing the high keys is also largely about player skill and the entire group
Few of those groups are pugs
sick sentinel
A good tank has multiple tanks ready most of the time
raven kernel
Top players will pick what is most efficient and effective
sick sentinel
^^
raven kernel
With 6 specs and only 1 tank slot in 5 mans, the choice is usually narrowed down to 2 specs
fair lantern
I enjoy the play, minus the all the dead time.... lol
lucid kelp
my guilds Disc healer keeps telling me to go Brewmaster
cerulean tusk
Ignore him, listen to the resto druid instead.
lucid kelp
our resto druid doesnt speak...XD
cerulean tusk
Exactly. Now play what you want and tell that disco to stfu.
round vortex
I will be honest - if by the time 8.1 rolls around and we are still in the bin - I'll bring my monk out. And that breaks my heart lol
Played prot warrior since 2009
static lance
my two healer friends - disc priest and resto shaman - say they have a pretty easy healing me, except sometimes I take a large spike of damage out of nowhere. but by now I pretty much know which pulls will cause those large spikes and use CDs appropriately.
round vortex
I didn't say I'll abandon my warrior. I'd jsut sub the monk in where appropriate for my raid.
solid mist
is monk... fun?
round vortex
Playing 2 toons is shit though ๐ฆ
Monk is pretty fun. It's not prot warrior fun tho
round vortex
I actually rolled it before BFA and its at 110.
I used it for healing because I enjoy healing dungeons MUCH more than i enjoy tanking them.
cerulean tusk
Go Guardian Druid ๐
round vortex
But it has ALOT of fun stuff it can do.
cloud bone
ugh no I hate bear tank it's so boring
round vortex
I really really like the flavour of the protection warrior
That's why i picked it to start with.
static lance
actually the one thing i wish warriors had was a long CC
tiny sphinx
sword n board, blade and trade, kinda wish we could polearm+shield is up tho
cloud bone
yes that's the one thing I like in dungeons as a monk over warrior is paralysis
round vortex
But while Jdotb was streaming he made a valid point. He said:
"I am no longer bound to just one class, I am a healer. If you play one class you will always find ways to hate it - but if you play what's powerful you will always have fun. As long as you can maintain the toons"
static lance
i feel so much more in control when i can choose to CC the mob I want, not mark something and see one of the DPS CC something else.
tiny sphinx
expanding your repertoire does wonders for your sanity
static lance
@round vortex that's a legitimate viewpoint, but playstyle also factors a lot into the classes that I play. Holy priest can consistently be the strongest healer, but I'll never play one because I find them very dull.
summer sequoia
I wish warrior had a way to 'interrupt' hunter type mobs
tiny sphinx
wish we blocked arrows/ranged physical attacks like we used to
summer sequoia
Lot of them in BFA, do can just death grip
Pulls would be a lot smoother with it
I'm leveling a dk as no one wants prot in high level mythic, and blood is just so boring ๐ฃ
round vortex
@static lance Yeah I am taking the middle ground. Going to maintain 2 classes and keep them both current. I'll only sub out my prot warrior if it's just fucked beyond repair.
static lance
same. 2 classes is all about all I can manage now, with work and other shit. I'm not a streamer who makes my living being a pro WoW-raider.
broken kite
Farewell critical block ๐ #clearlyfinalchange
cerulean tusk
To be replaced with: Critcal Block Mastery - Your shieldblock got a 30% chance to reduce damage taken by an additional 0.1%*0.01 mastery.
candid cove
Reduced by armor
brave jetty
Easiest 3 M+ this week?
Need to get a +9 or something out the way
Motherlode wasn't bad on like +8, Temple blew all the dicks, Underrot was okay aside from a few spots
There's one pull in Motherlode I wouldn't wish on anyone though
quasi fulcrum
Trash just before Azerokk for my group last night was a bit painful
brave jetty
how's waycrest manor this week?
static pilot
Not too bad
tight tree
Monk is also fun because it is unaffected by GCD. And we started mythic prog, and i feel 200% better and safer on my 352 monk than on my 360 warrior. Healers loved it more as well.
Hoping warrior buffs will be good, otherwise no point bringing warrior to raid.
Freehold was pretty easy even before teeming nerf, now should be cakewalk
static pilot
I'd say the easiest m+ this week are Motherlode, Waycrest and... Hm. Not sure about the last one. Underrot isn't awful after the matron nerf but the timer is tight
cloud bone
shrine isn't too bad if you have a good group but still takes awhile
static pilot
I just turn into a volleyball in Teeming Freehold. The enforcers are the dumbest trash mob I have ever seen
static pilot
That unavoidable throw does my head in
tight tree
so you dont fly far
static pilot
How does that work?
static pilot
Are you sure? On the final pack by the boss I've had them throw me down the ridge, there was nobody below
tight tree
Hmm, i was pretty sure
static pilot
They basically kited for me by throwing me up and down the ridge every time they got in range, then spent 5 sec running to catch up
It was pretty relaxing but obv the melee weren't too happy
tight tree
Tooltip
Threat part was nerfed
Either there was someone down at the moment of cast, or you got knocked down by another ability
But they also do this
static pilot
Ah, could be i was just slow to sidestep
tight tree
It is a cone so possible you did not dodge
static pilot
Yup, that pack gets pretty frantic. Okay, thanks for the tip :)
tight tree
They are annoying but pretty doable. If we did not bodypull some packs by mistake, would make the timer no probs (before teeming nerf)
static pilot
I'm just glad they nerfed the platform pack in underrot
That was a turd sandwich if ever I saw one
tight tree
;D always skipped that, refuse to do UR without rogue
(see i bitch about warriors declined for m+ but i want rogue in my UR, hypocrisy full stop ๐
static pilot
It's the way of the world these days, some dungeons are just much much easier with the right class feature
Like Underrot and classes that can remove disease, or temple and purges
ember arrow
Almost as if different classes bring different strengths kappa
tight tree
That was intentional i think. Fingers crossed for warrior buffs.
dull pilot
was told we were geting a buff i dont see no buff in that list in mmo
undone sun
because nothing has happened on ptr yet
digital arrow
lol @ turd sandwich
pallid axle
๐ฆ got pounded in +8 waycrest on my 359 Warrior.. logged onto my 339 DH, same group .. +7 waycrest = +2... blizzard pls
iron forum
Ive never really used the ptr before, do they usually push updates on reset day? like when should we reasonably expect to see real changes start showing up there
undone sun
pretty sporadic iirc
iron forum
so its just whenever they feel like pushing an update?
upbeat folio
They would say "whenever they're ready to."
worldly ibex
wait did they nerf teeming ?
AND DID THEY EFFING CHANGE OUR MASTERY IN PTR ?
worldly ibex
not to talk about fckin turning taunt into shit
didn't even hear about that Thyme. was actually trying to not even enter m+ dungeons this week
digital arrow
is it just me or does anyone else feel like playing their class less and less during the days before a supposed balance change
tight tree
TBH if you getting pounded at +8 with 360 ilevel, either you or your group doing something wrong
warrior is not perfect but its not that bad
@digital arrow I just play my brewmaster to make life easier for my mates
tight tree
You can't judge the law. I AM THE LAW.
digital arrow
LOL
bragg i meant that my brain feels like "why bother playin if ur gonna have to relearn some stuff come next patch"
which i know is wrong lol
tight tree
@hazy nacelle It is ok if you have nothing else. Its proc is bad and only single target. Get weapon with real stats if you can.
hazy nacelle
cool, i got a 5 item level less with real stats.
tight tree
@digital arrow Well i love how it FEELS (except GCD), but not how it WORKS. So i keep warr relevant gear-wise in case they unfuck it later.
@hazy nacelle Then i'd use <5 ilevels tbh over splitter
Splitter is nice transmog tho
Well maybe splitter will be better on strictly ST bosses DPS-wise, but without sim impossible to say
@digital arrow Also i dont think you will have to relearn anything, they will probably just tune up numbers. They said in blue that we should not expect to solve all our problems with patch, just some survivability buffs.
upbeat folio
I am a little anxious about the possibility of a mastery tune up.
fair crystal
so with fewer Mobs in M+ teeming do we still need to Kill more for % or ?
upbeat folio
Good question. I'm about to do an atal. The route I use is 100% perfect on teeming, so I'll let you know how it goes.
tiny sphinx
started going left lately- quality of life significantly improved
upbeat folio
I like going toward volkaal right during this teeming fortified garbage.
cinder nova
does M+ feel shittier this xpack than last
upbeat folio
But during tyrannical I prefer priestess.
hexed obsidian
Anyone else feel ToM can sometimes screw up some fights with adds?
I've had trouble and just wish I had Uldir traits + LoW tbh
tight tree
Says guy with fury icon ;D
tight tree
@upbeat folio I dont know what is deal with mastery on PTR. Block should be more consistent about damage types for sure, but if they remove crit block, they better give us something good.
@iron forum yeah i myself prefer fast classes. Still Legion Fury > BfA Fury feels wise. Prot was machinegun keyboard, now it is slow and heavy. Only fluid and fast tanks are BM and Vengeance.
amber siren
I'm happy with any mitigation that isn't rng
tight tree
I am unhappy with any RNG ;/
iron forum
I only liked legion fury better because of 100% crit on BC and it being off gcd, plus CoF letting us constantly use It tbh
it would be cool if they redid our mastery into something more interesting though
tight tree
Every single boss kill everyone complaining about personal loot. I get a 2-hander i rather give to mainspec DPS, but i cant. That is so bullshit on so many levels.
I loved Legion fury because i could stack CDs into big Odyn's Fury and delete everything around. it was glorious.
iron forum
personal loot change is such garbage. past all the logistical problems, I feel like a core part of the satisfaction of the mmo is being able to actually loot the boss you spent hours trying to kill and see whatever shinies he dropped, not just have stuff magically appear in your inventory
iron forum
definitely, I just got back into raiding after readjusting my work schedule and killed my first boss in mythic and it just wasn't the same without everyone crowded around looting the boss and shit getting linked in chat. I just feel like that change really hit an emotionally satisfying aspect of raiding really hard
tight tree
Yeah, i was telling about that since personal loot was an option. Now it is shitfest "who can trade what and trade it"
upbeat folio
My 100% route on atal still worked the same.
I think my route still had the exact same amount of mobs, though.
tight tree
You doing routes with Method dungeon tools?
west pelican
Zul Heroic guys. Do you usually kill all the adds that you have left after transition to P2 or do you cc one/both of the hexers?
west pelican
Ye ok, thanks ๐
upbeat folio
Hang on "investing" instead of addressing the implicit question
Is it something that's helpful? I've never used it.
ember arrow
well, it shows all the adds, and you can modify affixes, to preview hp/dmg
everything
pathing
theres a way to get routes too, which im trying to find out
you can choose the affix combo/key level
mobs/bosses will change accordingly
the best part for me, is that i can plan routes/see the mobs's hp etc beforehand. so i dont need to try thigns mid run
upbeat folio
Thanks. That's very helpful.
ember arrow
๐
hearty portal
What is our new mastery!? I wanna know
Or are they making crit block the basic block
ember arrow
we dont know
hearty portal
I'm calling it, its going to be ignore pain
We will be dk's 2.0
But without self healing, and instead we build the shield with either damage or rage spent
past ledge
90% love 10% luck
hearty portal
Wasent ignore pain still a use ability? I didnt play legion
hearty portal
Okay
ember arrow
shield is bigger than my hp bar
hearty portal
Yeah
undone sun
yup
hearty portal
I really hope they give warriors a fun mastery, I just want to be rid of ignore pain ๐
But it will surely stay
undone sun
New mastery, every time you block an attack you heal for 200% of the damage
jovial reef
inb4 heroic strike
past ledge
My healer friend says he have fun healing me as prot warrior, i dont know if i should be sad or happy...
jovial reef
"wow your hp spikes all the time so i don't fall sleep like i do when healing good tank classes"
past ledge
I srsly dont knw what to say to him
hearty portal
@thyme then the next raid will only be magic damage
undone sun
seems incredibly likely
ember arrow
magic dmg autoattacks
tight tree
Probably be ignore pain related indeed. Would not feel good, IP still feel like shit to use with GCD.
Or they remove it then add back just like IP in beta lol
hearty portal
Yeah its our main mitigations for things that we cant handle like dots/magic. And its shit
So i hope they work it into the kit some other way
Preferebly not a button you press
Warrior would feel so much cleaner
tight tree
Well it is a pattern. Every tank have 2 mitigation buttons. Dont see it changing.
hearty portal
Its a pretty stupid pattern
tight tree
Well i dont want it to be passive, i want it to be interesting and fun to use.
Case in point, Death Strike or Purifying Brew
hearty portal
I rather press something else then ignore pain. It just feels so lack luster and weak
tight tree
Vengeance is even more interesting, they can spend souls on Spirit Bomb, or Barrier. More choice.
Ip is just weak and unfun.
We started mythic prog and IP is eaten so fast.
hearty portal
Yeah i know
ember arrow
i thought bragga is defender of prot
tight tree
Well i love prot but it has problems obviously ๐
daring marlin
ctc cap?
hearty portal
I can't defend the current prot. When it even feels pale to vanilla prot
sick sentinel
when pet is better tnak then you: kings rest, my 340 prot warrior dies, and shammy's elemental tanks rest of the fight, feelsbadman :/
cant wait for revamp
old zephyr
Elem don't take stacks of dodgeable things
tight tree
Well i tank whole packs with black ox statue on my monk ๐
Usually enough to take down most critical mobs
ionic ridge
@tight tree block enchants?
old zephyr
I Will have Will boomy iny group o'e Day for treant
tight tree
Used to be class-specific enchants in old zulgurub. Warriors used them to reach black cap.
block*
stoic hound
Hey guys, sorry if this isnt the place for it but does anyone know if the Battlefield Precision trait is any good? If it works for allies too it seems real strong
obtuse venture
not for prot i dont think
slate vine
Any tips against KR's zerkers ?
If I kite my melees are getting trashed, if I don't I'm getting trashed
quiet kettle
if ur dps are smart too, they'll stand behind zerk as it chases u
stone tiger
no kidding?
quiet kettle
client will auto ctd
stone tiger
huh.
stone tiger
I'm just flipping through news and seeing what's getting out atm. But after Blizz has actually acknowledge Prot's in a bad place it's a bit of a windfall to see a functionality nerf.
quiet kettle
sum1 fucked up in the intilization coding
topaz cove
Any ideas whats going on with our Mastery in the PTR?
jade tartan
Something's not right
topaz cove
Why would they remove it though
Odd isnt it?
Nerf taunt and remove Prot mastery
We were obvs OP
jade tartan
If there was a nerf to our damage, I'd say "ok.. fair enough"
quiet kettle
taunt is a tooltip update
jade tartan
But even gimping our Survivability even more?
quiet kettle
taunt nerf happened with bfa
fair crystal
^^
quiet kettle
i can personally guarantee that i failed to stick an add on me one time and when i taunted it from the ranged, after 3s it ran right back
taunt no longer generates extra threat
topaz cove
macro heroic throw to taunt
quiet kettle
90% of the ptr 'changes' are just tooltip updates
topaz cove
works quite well
quiet kettle
ive had that since like cata knoak
silk portal
But is taunt of the gcd ๐ค
topaz cove
yeah
silk portal
It was a joke
quiet kettle
y, so it broke the macro now
silk portal
Wait, Taunt is on GCD? What
topaz cove
two seperate macros lol
silk portal
Intercept has a lower GCD tho
uneven mason
Ah, groovy
topaz cove
Intercept+Taunt and Heroic Throw+Taunt
quiet kettle
heroic throw used to be off the gcd at one point which made for charge+HT macros outside of tanking rather fun
silk portal
Imma macro Taunt / Warbreaker as arms to trigger my tank
topaz cove
rofl
quiet kettle
nah dbts
silk portal
You're not my tank?
ember arrow
good, because taunting for the luls is shitty thing to do
silk portal
Taunting for the luls is luls
quiet kettle
in arms/fury i've actually had to taunt bosses b4
uneven mason
Until you cost your group the timer on the key because that isn't luls, its "I'm a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
sick sentinel
Honestly if you don't taunt back you're just intentionally making everyone's run of whatever it is slower for no reason.
In this scenario, sure it's for trolling so maybe don't do it but if your dps taunts accidentally and you don't taunt back you're literally just making it a bad experience for everyone
quiet kettle
tank went down and no pets to tank while bres is going off
uneven mason
logic
quiet kettle
or do what my guild did at one point
ember arrow
our dps taunted zekvoz by accident
sick sentinel
Yes, but then you said "If my dps taunts I don't taunt back" implying you do that for every scenario
Which is bad
silk portal
LevkoToday at 12:17 PM
i wont taunt back
if my dps taunts
ember arrow
yes, context
topaz cove
Levko do you have "nice strawman though" set to a keybind lol
ember arrow
it was arespnse to his post
uneven mason
@sick sentinel Yes, if the DPS taunts ( as in, uses their TAUNT ability) We don't pullt it back off of them, because obviously they have a logical reason for wanting their shit pushed in.
topaz cove
I know lol, just always see you say it
ember arrow
i said the word "strawman" 5 times total in skyhold
including this one
so i dont see why i would have it set to a keybind
silk portal
This is why I only do PvE content with tanks I know in person
Because they know when it's in jest and when it's not
topaz cove
Hopefully they include an understanding of sarcasm in 8.1 for you Levko
quiet kettle
my guild generated a new meme 5 minutes into raid launch
ember arrow
hopefully they make warriors viable before that
silk portal
It's either A: To mess with the Healer, B: To mess with the Tank or C: Mess with both
sick sentinel
I've been in scenarios where the DPS taunting and popping a defensive is helpful if the tank is taking massive damage, though. Having a pally taunt and bubble for 5 seconds is nice if the healer needs to catch up
quiet kettle
one of our dps wars dropped 6s into the taloc fight
uneven mason
This is why I only group with DPS that I know...because none of them are stupid enough to taunt mobs off of me.
quiet kettle
so he make fun of him enjoying the floor
ember arrow
if u take massive dmg, you start kiting
only place to taunt, is on necrotic bosses taht dont drop stacks
silk portal
So all you do is kiting?
ember arrow
u can kite most mobs
topaz cove
You can die trying
quiet kettle
kits + LoS
silk portal
It's as 50 Said, "Git gud or die trying"
topaz cove
rofl
ember arrow
DD can only taunt one mob at atime, which wont really alleviate pressure
silk portal
Say that to tripple LoW Avatar Arms
ember arrow
LOW?
silk portal
Lord of War
ember arrow
taunting isnt same as overaggroing
silk portal
In this case it serves the same purpose
hasty quest
Guys any of you can explain the change for mastery in 8.1? No buff for us
sick sentinel
PTR is PTR and not finished
vocal nimbus
Three possible scenarios
A) datamining is just wrong
B) the tooltip is being simplified
C) mastery rework
no official info on which one is true ๐คท
topaz cove
Mastery: Thick Skinned
Gain the "Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" buff, which hides the declined from group notification from your chat window.
hearty portal
Need
Mastery: No pain No gain
The more shit you fuck up the less shit you'll take. The more damage you deal the more damage you can take, Stronger modifiers on single target damage abilities then on aoe ones.
topaz cove
Ooff that would be great
hearty portal
Feels very warrior in my opinion
odd ridge
I thought that was stupid for a second, but yeah it fits the warrior fantasy for me
hearty portal
Their utility would be endless destruction
hearty portal
?
quiet kettle
what would be interesting is reworking that slightly BG
cedar flax
Hi everyone!
I am hoping someone can weigh in because I am a little lost. I am a member of a new raiding guild and we are having some trouble in Uldir. While going through logs, one of the things I have noticed is my EHRPS feels super high but I'm struggling to understand what I'm doing wrong. Please don't be shy--I can take it. Thanks in advance for your help!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KNG3xyW9MHpB7CXr/#fight=last&type=damage-taken&options=130
quiet kettle
Mastery: No Pain, No Gain
Damage dealt to enemies increases the amount of damage that IP can absorb by up 50% (caps at 25k dmg dealt)
quiet kettle
no no, feelcrafting xP
cinder nova
boo
ember arrow
yes lets keep meming after someoen asks questions
quiet kettle
but were doing theorycraft on what the new mastery could be
cinder nova
Isn't EHRPS an imprecise metric?
quiet kettle
it is becuz its constantly shifting boss by boss
the issue with wars is that we just dont have 100% mit uptime
so were gonna get smacked for full dmg fairly often
especially melees
junior igloo
@cedar flax
You use your rage offensively on Revenge (43 casts) rather than defensively on Ignore Pain (9 casts).
You don't use cooldown enough: Shield Wall 1x, Last Stand 1x, Avatar 3x
On a 6+ minute fight, you should have 2-3 Shield Walls, maybe 5 Last Stands, 5+ Avatars (makes you generate more rage for IP).
You also don't use Spell Reflect enough, you should use it during every combo on the Void Lash:
tight tree
I only use rage on revenge when my offtank is holding the boss and i have nothing else to spend rage on
quiet kettle
ya there's a common misconception of holding CDs for really important things but we dont really have stuff like that on zek'voz
quiet kettle
shatter is phys
tight tree
lash is magic shatter physical (and blockable)
ember arrow
@jade tartan shatter is blockable
jade tartan
Aye, thought so :p
tight tree
Demo+IP 1st lash, block shatter, reflect 2nd lash
jade tartan
uh, you taking 2 lashes? oO
tight tree
You can do it every combo
quiet kettle
a prot war can potentially prevent every shatter debuff and solo tank zek
jade tartan
We never did that
ember arrow
on dk i solo the combo
jade tartan
We tank swap after the Shatter and before 2nd lash
tight tree
That works too, we just solo them, it is not that bad
My cotank is DK he immune 1 lash
I just take very low damage from combo
lower than his regular melee
cedar flax
Balancing threat gen vs mitigation has been a thing I have been struggling with since prepatch. Perhaps I swung too far the other way.
So for IP usage then, if you guys are not using rage for threat gen, have you guys had any issues with rage starving or not holding threat?
quiet kettle
when ur current tank, u shouldnt be pressing revenge outside of free procs tbh
when ur the offtank atm, go ahead and cast
tight tree
Not really, you establish lot of threat with avatar, and use excessive rage for ignore pain, if you taking at least semi-serious damage
quiet kettle
^
tight tree
If you in no danger to die at all, feel free to spam revenge ofc
quiet kettle
honestly i have more rage issues when im not the active tank
ember arrow
in raids, if u sneeze at aboss, u get threat
cedar flax
Good stuff! Thanks guys! We are going back in tonight so I'll give it a shot. One last question--do you guys worry about munching IP or do you just cast when you can and to hell with it?
tight tree
Try to pool some for big hits if you can, IE Zek combo, otherwise, just cast it when you have rage for it. Make sure you keep 30 rage for shield block if you going to need it soon.
Do not overcap IP as well, there is weak aura in pins that shows you if you going to overcap in next cast.
serene jackal
Anyone know if leech affects Ignore Pain or is it just direct dmg
gleaming seal
@timid jay
serene jackal
example with 20% leech would it effectively allow ignore pain 60% mitigation 50% mit 10% heal.
timid jay
@gleaming seal
gleaming seal
hello
timid jay
hello
gleaming seal
how are you
timid jay
you too friend
cedar flax
Awesome! I'll grab the WA and give it a go. Thanks again everyone!
tight tree
@cedar flax Good luck ๐
severe pond
LS is up for every combo too
quiet kettle
@jade tartan legion alpha
brittle timber
It was shield barrier in WoD...IP was basically just a rename
steel mauve
@serene jackal im pretty sure leach is just direct dmg and healing iirc
quiet kettle
its healing from dmg dealt
vocal nimbus
and healing from healing done
steel mauve
Healing from direct dmg and healing, he was asking if it effected ignore pain
quiet kettle
ah, in that case no
steel mauve
Absorbs arent effected by leach
And i wouldnt dump every rage we had on revenge if you werent in danger, i would keep an excess for just in case momets, spamming revenge isnt a great idea, even if you arent tanking at the current moment and the other tank is, chances are you will be soonish
Unless like mother with adds, then you may as well dps them
jade tartan
Yea.. Was thinking about shield barrier and couldn't remember it was a different name
obtuse venture
I'm looking through the PTR notes and noticed they removed critical blocks from shield block. am i reading it wrong? i thought we needed buffs
ionic ridge
Probably they'll get rid of crit blocking and rework our mastery (speculation)
quiet kettle
im honestly expecting a mastery around IP
dull pilot
there deleteing warrior
obtuse venture
im so scared they wont give us parity with the likes of DKs and DHs in M+. i honeslty might unsub if 8.1 is a flop
tight tree
Yep, if you dont like it, dont torture yourself indeed.
ember arrow
it maybe an unsatisfactory answer
inner trail
Make prot tanks UP, everyone rerolls into bdk, more money from level boosts. Blizzard playing 4d chess here
ember arrow
why would i reroll bdk
ornate sky
level boosts are less than 0.5% of revenue reeee
ember arrow
i can play monks if i want afk mode raiding
tight tree
Tinfoil
ember arrow
tinfoil hat, more like tinfoil house
ornate sky
no sane company punishes players to make them spend money on 0.5% of their revenue at risk of 95%+ of it
i wish the 'this is to get people to buy boosts' meme would die
tight tree
They just not seeing many issues players face.
On paper warriors was looking roughly fine i guess
Obv they cut corners and push stuff out before it is really ready, just like any production pipeline does
junior igloo
@obtuse venture
I assumed they just thought it was redundant (because why couldn't a block be a critical block?) so they changed the tooltip to be less bloated
But maybe there is some rework in the works, hard to say
vital wren
Just reading 8.1 PTR prot warr changes. Taunt nerf, Removed Mastery: Critical Block. Quote "REMOVED Mastery: Critical Block Increases your chance to block by 4.0% and your chance to critically block (blocking twice the amount) by 12.0%.
Also increases your attack power by 8.0%." Oh well, we're screwed
I really hope it's some sort of a joke
Or blizz just earner an unsub
*Earned
amber siren
the ptr can't even played atm, it's all just tooltip datamining
don't be so melodramatic
vagrant cape
It's literally the third day of the ptr. They're not going to straight up remove mastery without replacing it. The same thing happened during 8.0 ptr with ignore pain and a couple talents. Chill your dill and wait for them to be replaced.
obtuse venture
i really wish they would just say something like here's the plan for prot, these are the ideas we're throwing around in the office
vital wren
Seems that they will most likely nerf the AP imho, still sucks
vagrant cape
AP?
ornate sky
attack power
vital wren
Attack Power from mastery
amber siren
the mastery has been removed full stop, it's not a nerf to AP
vagrant cape
Ah
amber siren
don't make it a big deal over nothing
vital wren
We'll see when 8.1 launches
inner trail
I would say a dps nerf is justified as long as they buff prot defensively
At least on aoe
crisp hearth
If you look at single target
vagrant cape
Holy moly. They're removing it temporarily so they can replace it with something else. It could even come back exactly the same. It's waaaay too early for doomsaying.
crisp hearth
We don't
crisp hearth
Afaik touching prot dps is tricky to balance
inner trail
not really, just bring down thunder clap's damage a bit
astral crystal
also i understand why people are skeptical, it's not like blizzard has demonstrated much in the way of finesse and competence when balancing prot
it's either really fucking good or really fucking underwhelming
vagrant cape
I think talents and deafening crash are where we need the most help. This spec has almost no talent diversity and we're locked into one specific trait even if it's a 30 ilvl downgrade.
obtuse venture
DH has similar aoe dps as prot anyway right? so its not like they care about a tank doing dps
astral crystal
careful what you wish for imo, no talent diversity will translate to AM being nerfed
inner trail
I disagree, it needs a defensive buff to bring it in line with the other specs
vagrant cape
Or it could mean others get buffed
vital wren
My hopes are that they wont nerf deafening crash
crisp hearth
Only thing I've been struggle with is the dot from zul
vital wren
With no relative changes in other fields
astral crystal
ok so threat was nerfed to 200%
crisp hearth
Haha
astral crystal
taunt threat*
vagrant cape
That's honestly fine
crisp hearth
That doesn't matter actually
astral crystal
it's not a huge deal, just hadn't seen this, new notes up this morning on mmochamp
vagrant cape
As long as one tank doesn't horrendously out gear another I don't see that ever being an issue
vital wren
Ideas: Boost IP absorb portion, bring back challenging roar, bring some buffed (talented) spell reflect talent for more magical dmg reduction overtime
astral crystal
i wonder why sblock always shows as 1 charge on the ptr
vital wren
Me2 @astral crystal lol
inner trail
it can become an issue if ST dps balance becomes bad for tanks
like it was in NH where warriors would pull aggro off other tanks
crisp hearth
Wasn't because of dps
brazen void
I wonder how a "passive" IP would work, turning on automatically over a certain rage threshold
crisp hearth
But because of healing from heroic presence was pulling aggro
vital wren
A free, weaker IP?
brazen void
I don't know
crisp hearth
You're asking for ip off gcd
brazen void
in a way. the decision would be made differently as well
crisp hearth
If it become free and automatic that would almost be the same as putting it off gcd
vital wren
How about a backup talented IP (45sec cd internal), that would absorb 300% the max cap if you would get a killing blow ( would work like a priests wings )
For "OH SHIT" bosses
brazen void
ardent defender love :p
crisp hearth
I'm actually sure they won't touch warrior mechanically
vital wren
I think blizzard has so many ideas, but it all comes down to a point of balancing the shits and giggles that other tanks have to have
brazen void
Which may work, from a "is this tank desirable in your comp" pov
ornate sky
IP could get a damage component so it doesn't feel quite as bad to press
and tune thunderclap down... bringing our ST up and Aoe down
vital wren
"Painful Revenge" - buff that gives u 10% increased dmg done
ornate sky
and tune the defensive part of IP better
vital wren
while u have IP up
ornate sky
then you do more aoe again
vital wren
And that is a bad thing?
ornate sky
in my opinion warriors do too much aoe damage yes
ornate sky
which is what i said by making IP do ST dmg