Teeming has been hotfixed
#protection
sick sentinel
quiet kettle
mobs added by teeming ignore things like Tricks of the Trade
sick sentinel
they reduced some mobs and fixed them
remember guys, this is a work in progress, we are mid-way through Beta
mellow bridge
when was it hotfixed
fathom marten
Lol
hexed lion
the /r post was 7h ago
quiet kettle
eh so there's less teeming mobs, doesnt fix the tricks issue
they'll still completely ignore it most of the time
welcome to skittish v1.5
tidal holly
does someone knows what is our new mastery on PTR?
undone sun
no
tidal holly
as everything that is connected to prot warrior xD
sick sentinel
uhm guys we finally reached 5/8 in HC with the guild and today I will be tanking HC Zul for the first time, any tips? (double prot warr comp btw)
robust urchin
Pray
quiet kettle
honestly zul isnt bad for wars, just make sure ur mits are up for crushers and rupturing blood
sick sentinel
I'm basically on crusher duty for phase 1
quiet kettle
which means the other one should keep SB+IP up during crawgs
and on p2 u basically cant reflect/block the DoT so just ur non-rotational mits at the ready
leap out and intervene back in to drop the pools
tight tree
yes
quiet kettle
its generally better to walk to the edge, right as it drops, leap back in and intervene to zul
u'll take maybe 1 tick of pool dmg
and none if u time it right, but if u have pallies make use of bop to drop pools on top of each other
if a dps gets feared into that, they're basically dead, but u'll free up a lot of the room otherwise
quiet kettle
ur dbm/bigwigs will tell u when to swap
ember arrow
whats different on mythic mother compared to hc
sick sentinel
like dbm says for example on vectis to swap at 2 but I have seen somebody say that they swap at 2
terse iron
@sick sentinel just leap out and charge a pet or range player to get back
lilac forum
is prot as bad as ppl say? Im tired of blood dk and would love to go prot warrior which is most fun tank in game, or atleast was for me in legion
quiet kettle
levko, lots
terse iron
i dont think its that bad. Has got alot better with gear and traits
quiet kettle
but were still fairly squishy in m+
lilac forum
so prot is good for raiding but mediocre for m+?
terse iron
fine for both just more reliant on a healer. not gonna solo shit when your party stands in fire
quiet kettle
in raid we have the buffer of healers for when our mits are down and can recharge them during the swap
in m+ however, u will quite often have mit downtime
especially on IP/SB
sick sentinel
downtimes are like destroying you
quiet kettle
and magic dmg rips u a new one all the time
sick sentinel
when you have your stuff up you are really good
when you do not have your stuff up, you're paper
terse iron
if you have enough haste you can have IP up most of the time and rotate your cds on cd with spending rage
quiet kettle
u'll still get wrecked against high magic dmg
terse iron
any tank will tho
sick sentinel
Spell reflect is my favourite button to press in the game
terse iron
use spel relfect for 20% dmg reduction
quiet kettle
like last week during tyrannical, i still called for lust during shadow of zul in KR
sick sentinel
reflecting something for 50k damage feels so good
sick sentinel
like reflecting the dot from lord waycrest in manor
and he takes the dot in the face
terse iron
my blood friend gets rekt in KR on the zerkers and zul as well
sick sentinel
the class I love the most having in my groups are warlocks
Healthstones help a TON
quiet kettle
bring health pots
signal rune
im a VDH ilvl 360 and i get rekt too my dudes
terse iron
which healers you guys prefering atm?
quiet kettle
they heal more
lilac forum
but is he fun with gcd?
sick sentinel
takes more thought\
terse iron
im using devastaor because i dont have time to spam devastate. with into the fray at over 30% haste just no time so if go that route then yea GCD is np
rapid trench
Yea no healthstones heal more than pots
sick sentinel
I had been using devastator for the GCD change
sharp raptor
I tried devastator but the rage + damage from booming voice is too good, even with never using devastate
sick sentinel
but I am realising that booming voice is like the best talent in that row
terse iron
did some tests and im getting 2-3x mor resets on slam with it and suits my play style a bit better
booming voice is really good wont lie
quiet kettle
ive found that disc just has some troubles in spot healing in m+, holy priest just isnt good for m+ period, and holy pallies run out of mana a bit too quickly
robust urchin
Holy paladins are very goodnin m
sharp raptor
guys I'm a brew main with a warrior alt and a warrior co-tank, and so, when you warriors aren't able to have shield block up, and demo shout is down, do you use last stand/bolster or shield wall to fill in the gaps?
is the idea with prot warrior to have a CD up at all times?
quiet kettle
i never said they were bad nano, their actually great, but they do have mana problems
terse iron
im liberal with last stand since resets so fast
quiet kettle
ya bolster + AM reduces both LS and SW cds by a metric fuckton
sharp raptor
yeah figured
my warrior co-tank swapped to indomitable recently and I'm going to have to nag him to swap back
terse iron
yea nah not worth it. rather run strength in numbers trait
robust urchin
I dunno man the hpally i run with mamages his mana well
Only having trouble if dps mass pulls like a bunch of mouthbreathers
But then again the group i run m+ uses a blood dk and i go arms
sharp raptor
had that today in a siege, ppl moving out for quaking and body pulling 2 extra packs
terse iron
prot in M+ is pretty reliant on a good grp, can really feel the shit when have bad people
had times when healer asks why im not taking dmg and time when they freak out xD
copper lance
Are we going to get a new mastery or what ?
robust urchin
I just gave up on my +5 because the healer just couldn't keep me up
Yeah new prot mastery will be Glory Days "foundly remember the times where you were the only viable tank, reeuces all dmg taken by 55%"
copper lance
is that true,? sounds like something we need , tho
quiet kettle
i think it'll end up revolving around IP
pally pretty much took our niche of 'block all the things with a shield'
so whats left? bubble shields aka IP
signal rune
IP off CD would solve a lot of warr problems i think?
quiet kettle
it would solve some of them
terse iron
impending victory should be base line imo
quiet kettle
IV is honestly useless tho
terse iron
the reset shouldnt based of last hits in a grp situation either
quiet kettle
it has to be tho, otherwise it's broken af
terse iron
not really. other tanks have plenty healing
hell pala has a low cd heal and gets 11k+ armor in combat with 3 charges of defensive
quiet kettle
also a baseline IV wouldnt fit the warr niche
terse iron
they could make it more consistant and nerf the healing a bit if make it base line
would smooth us out a bit
quiet kettle
they alrdy made VR as base, i dont see IV joining it anytime soon
terse iron
prob not
quiet kettle
right now prot has 2 main issues, rage gen outside of demo shout + avatar, and the rage cost of SB/IP
taking the gcd off IP would help sumwhat but ur still left with the rage issues
for the amount it gives atm, IP would be better at like 30 rage and SB at 20
and maybe actually let revenge reduce SB cooldown time by like 0.5s
with those i'd feel we'd be pretty solid
terse iron
yea revenge needs more impact
quiet kettle
revenge is simply for when ur losing aggro
thats it atm
or when ur the offtank in raid and need to pump out dps
sick sentinel
i use revenge alot in m+ tbh
you dont always need IP or rage for block just use it for revenge
terse iron
do the different tanks have different versa gains per stat?
terse iron
im trying to recall past warrior set ups and for the life of me i cant
vagrant cape
I want the revenge proc removed so I can reliably reduce my cooldowns with anger management when I'm rage capped during avatar+demo.
amber siren
I just miss stance dancing tbh
quiet kettle
or atleast cause the proc to function as if we spent the rage normally
or at like 50% value or w.e
sick sentinel
IP off the GCD=More devastates=more SS resets= more rage ๐ฎ
past ledge
hey guys, Can the items in WQ titan forge to 395?
sick sentinel
theoritically yeah
amber siren
except for azerite and weapons, yeah
quiet kettle
but good luck ever getting that rng
lone folio
don`t remember, it was last week
but he freaked out on discord and g chat
rightly so
tidal holly
where can we expect information about new mastery ??
vagrant cape
-
Probly mmochampion or reddit, where all new information is.
-
What the fuck are you talking about? I've heard nothing of "new mastery"
astral crystal
probably during the week
mastery was removed on 8.1
for us that is
much like the removal of IP, it most likely means it's being reworked
vagrant cape
Oooooh. Nifty
I haven't gone on the ptr yet. I'm now excited.
Have the changes been data mined yet? If so, where can I find them? Mmochampion doesn't have them yet
tender berry
quiet kettle
this is still the barebone and also ptr is broken af atm
no1 can even open the ptr client
hearty portal
Was Jes howler a good tank trinket?
vagrant cape
Thank you!
quiet kettle
there's a trinket list thing in pins
tidal holly
@vagrant cape yes, i am talkin about this ptr new patch
if you "hear nothing" doesnt mean its not exist
i just wonder whyu they wanna nerf taunt ^^
if tank got problem with aggro, after taunt changes this problem will escalate
vagrant cape
I don't think they're changing anything but the tool tip. Some taunt abilities included the phrasing "... and increase threat generation for three seconds" while others didn't. I believe they're making the wording simpler but keeping the functionality the same.
They're just making tool tips shorter and homogenizing them.
That's my theory
vagrant cape
5 ilvls is the general consensus
fossil sparrow
huh, there's no haste/vers shield from dungeons ,lovely
near shard
If i get some normal uldir chest (355) but it has horrible traits, should i stick to the 340 with decent traits?
open bluff
re: ptr taunt changes
The secondary aura (the bonus threat gen for 3s) is still present on taunts. Likely just Blizzard standardizing taunt tooltips
near shard
Just m+ tbh, i'll have a look
vagrant cape
Generally speaking, never lose Deafening crash if you have one deafening crash piece. Aside from that, go for ilvl. It's not worth losing a 355 reinforced plating for a 340 brace for impact, for instance. It IS worth it, however, to drop a 370 brace for impact for a 340 deafening crash if you don't have any other deafening crash piece.
And after you already have one deafening crash, it becomes the lowest priority trait. It's a one-trait wonder.
neat harbor
So prot defense buffs coming confirmed. I am excite
giddy, in fact
ONCE MOOORREEE THE WARRIORRRSS SHALL RUL ETHE GALAXY
neat harbor
๐ก ๐ก ๐ก ๐ก ๐น
but...
we shall have our revenge.
literally, revenge will still be a spell
open bluff
Revenge of the Shields
neat harbor
๐
fossil sparrow
I take it the mastery trinket with onuse strength from underrot is bad?
amber siren
yeah it's not great
fossil sparrow
a shame I got that and not the shield, want to get rid of this shitty 330
storm isle
what about tol dagor?
fossil sparrow
have a 5key for atal but idk if I can tank that yet
only swapped to tanking again yesterday
terse iron
the toldagor trink is good
storm isle
yeah i love it
fossil sparrow
my trinks arent horrible, just eh for tanking
storm isle
got DC and Jess howler
fossil sparrow
syringe from vectis, and zandalar trinket from wq (a budget rezan)
sick sentinel
I dont get why they dont just give a big buff?
fossil sparrow
great for arms..not so for prot
vagrant cape
@sick sentinel because the tanks specs are actually very close in power right now despite what people think about warriors. We'd become way too overpowered even with our lack of utility. A major buff would also piss people off as they'd feel compelled to swap to warriors and then bear druids would get all their torches and pitchforks out and burn down Blizzard HQ (and trust me there are a lot more druid players than warrior players).
fossil sparrow
"very close"
vagrant cape
They're closer than they were in Legion, I'll tell you that.
fossil sparrow
and dks
there's a rift between the good and the bad
there's nothing close about it
open bluff
Also re: emblem of zandalar, it has a higher proc rate than rezan's so if you get it at a competitive ilvl I wouldn't say "budget"
vagrant cape
Brewmaster have the most predictable damage intake but they actually mitigate very little. Healers have to put more into brewmasters than warriors, but it's so smooth that they never have to worry about spikes like with warriors when they're caught with no CDs.
lime lichen
I think the only thing that needs to change with warrior is taking IP off the gcd
fossil sparrow
oh thought it was a budget rezan
vagrant cape
That would make us absurdly broken
fossil sparrow
got it ages ago 355 titanforged so
open bluff
EoZ is 1.5 rppm, Rezan's is 1
fossil sparrow
oh sweet
open bluff
But EoZ is only from WQs so good luck getting a reasonable ilvl
vagrant cape
Prot warriors already do the most damage. Letting us use more damaging abilities instead of using a global for IP is nuts
next lagoon
Hello, im a bit confused, ( i have 2 trait callous reprisal / last gift ) majority of guides tell me to get callous reprisal, but some tell to take last gift ) , should i go blindly to callous?
lime lichen
then nerf the damage,
vagrant cape
Not to mention how much more rage and mitigation we'd get
vagrant cape
A tank's bare minimum job is to not die and hold threat. After that, their job is whatever their kit allows them to do
open bluff
Isn't prot DPS only highest in AoE?
fossil sparrow
a tanks primary objective is to stay aliev
the fact warriors in general are 1st/2nd and 4th on total deaths in uldir
vagrant cape
I'm not sure if they also have highest ST, but they definitely have highest aoe.
fossil sparrow
is a major concern
open bluff
I know it's hard to compare without sims but prot warrs on WCL aren't as up there as you would think
fossil sparrow
prot/arms are 1st/2nd
fury is 4th
for the most deaths
warriors in general die way too often
vagrant cape
In raids, prot needs to use far more globals on IP so the damage isn't as high
In m+, revenge all day baby
fossil sparrow
using globals on an already weak ability
lime lichen
but thats the thing, it feels shit to be limited by gcd rather than rage
lime lichen
the choice should be 1) do damage with rage or 2) take less damage by rage
fossil sparrow
IP doesn't scale as is
lime lichen
with my DK, it doesn't feel like I have to make a choice at all
vagrant cape
I wish we had an ability off the GCD that did absolutely nothing except drain 10 rage
lime lichen
my damage IS my mitigation
fossil sparrow
ez fix
vagrant cape
So we could spam that to avoid overcapping and to fuel anger management
fossil sparrow
make devestator generate rage
brazen void
Would that go far enough without breaking something else? Devastator competes with booming voice, which is a paired /\damage dealt | /damage taken cooldown.
It goes back to ignore pain, I guess. That was, after all, the single thing they just couldn't figure out across the whole ptr
past ledge
Hey guys, Nectoric is up next week and i dont knw how to deal with it in high keys. any advice?
vagrant cape
run with a frost mage
or gear up your blood dk
also I'd run bounding stride so you can kite more easily
dragon roar? Kappa
mellow bridge
just get some classes with good cc and kite
frost mage is really good, Druid is really nice with treants and typhoon
inner trail
woah a whole 10% buff to a trait that noone will ever use, awesome
digital arrow
i love tryin to kite a pack in a hallway, and i reach a dead end and try to charge back to my teammates and i die mid-charge
inner trail
blizzard really turning the azerite balance around huh
digital arrow
gives me overwatch flashbacks when i die as rein mid-charge and he ragdolls all over the place lmao
chrome falcon
it's really depressing that blizz decided to buff the worst trait to still be the worst trait
like i don't even understand the point of those buffs
10% buffs to absolute trash that no-one wants that adds literally nothing to any class' gameplay
i wish we had cool traits other than DC. i had a wild idea that Brace for Impact could only give a very small numerical buff, but it stacked forever (dropping slowly out of combat)
storm isle
the problem is that they have so many traits that do about the same thing
chrome falcon
so on a long raid fight, or if you keep chainpulling in a dungeon, the longer you go, SS gets to way huge damage numbers
yeah all the traits pretty much boil down to "you do a little bit more and take a little bit less damage"
apart from DC which is just wildly powerful
storm isle
why do they have so many different azerite traits for all the specs though
and then bitch about people siming to find out what's best
chrome falcon
it's just insane to me that they had all the cool artifact/legendary/tier set effects
and they boiled them down to "IP is 10% bigger and gives you 0.5% leech"
and similar
it's the kind of design you saw in pre-MoP talents (ie total garbage)
storm isle
it just feels like they think the their players are morons
chrome falcon
i just hope the 8.1 balance changes fix azerite, if they take any longer than that then i'm pretty sure the expansion is going to collapse
oh well, guess we'll see
storm isle
it's probably all to do with they released the game way to fast
silver stirrup
g
anyone seasoned pros here i can chat with? im new to prot warrior in BFA and have some noob quetions to ask. if thats alright and thank you! im loving the class so far
chrome falcon
ask away
sick sentinel
just ask questions here but check the pins first questions might already be answered
chrome falcon
^
silver stirrup
roger ill do that now
worthy fable
why are they nerfing taunt?
terse iron
warriors dont even need taunt. we have thunder clap and avatar ๐
sick sentinel
Which doesn't mean anything.
worthy fable
It kills other tanks though
and makes it harder to keep their aggro, it's like blizzard doesn't want tanks
chrome falcon
The outrage/doommongering about this taunt change is so wild to me
fossil sparrow
blizzard doesn't want tanks
chrome falcon
It's a change to a tooltip on PTR
sick sentinel
God, why does prot warr have all the braindead players.
fossil sparrow
takes a look at the group finder
chrome falcon
Can we just fucking chill
fossil sparrow
well no shit
silver stirrup
ok so im thinking of taking ravager instead of anger for AOE fights. is that a good idea? and maybe switching bounding stride for crack thunder?
steel mauve
Fuck no
terse iron
whahaha guy just asked me to tank KR 10 but he is changing mains so wants to start it on his mage with DH in grp and then kick the mage and complete key with 2 dps...
steel mauve
Ravager should never be a thought
mellow bridge
You always need AM
silver stirrup
ok, noted. in just having trouble with aoe fights in dungeons
mellow bridge
switching bounding stride for thunder is fine tho for dungeons
silver stirrup
mainly with trash
steel mauve
Ravagers dmg is awful first off, and AM is more consistent mitigation over parry
mellow bridge
should take depending on dungeons, level and affixes
steel mauve
Are you avataring before you pull?
terse iron
avatar comes off CD really fast with AM and thunderclap spam so you can IP and block mor
steel mauve
Avatar > charge > tclap > demo > tclap
mellow bridge
^
steel mauve
Perfect opener for trash
solid mist
when tanking G'huun do yo utry to ping pong the add so that tank isn't tanking the boss and the horror? or just tank both since it's frequent swapping in that fight?
silver stirrup
noted. what about macros. i didnt see a pin for macros at all and cant really find info on them either. what are some good macros to have or a must need?
mellow bridge
I dont have any macro
You could use a focus kick macro I guess for m+ maybe
but other than that, I dont see the need
terse iron
havnt had a need for tank macros . maybe a mouse over taunt and charge
digital arrow
the mouse-over kick macro
steel mauve
Usually macros encourage lazy play which isnt a good thing, i dont use any my self and just micro manage every thing
silver stirrup
okay cool. i guess it was just a rough first dungeon for me then last night cause i was horrible in the motherload
digital arrow
well thats true im pretty lazy
steel mauve
Well i guess there are mouse overs and focus but i dont use them either, i watch the name plates for casts and click em to interrupt
What ilvl is your shield?
And are you using last stand in your active mit rotation after your 3rd shield block
tardy jolt
mouseover intercept is very useful in raids
mellow bridge
I like mouseover for using charge on your group yeah
mellow bridge
yea same
quartz blade
Is Vanquished Tendril of Ghun any good at all for Prot?
steel mauve
High ilvl is a decent dps trinket but thats pretty much it, the str is a very small defensive bonus
quartz blade
There's no Str on it?
steel mauve
Thought it was str and the tentacles dpsing add
quartz blade
Vers
steel mauve
Ah my bad then, theres definitely better options then
terse iron
this weeks world boss trink is the same pretty much but has a str proc
or was it last week
fuck
nvm
digital arrow
anyone usin any good leap macros? i've died some embarrassing ways because i was too slow at aiming the leap lol
sometimes i just want to leap anywhere and far away
a gtfo button
i probably just have to get better at it and plan ahead lol
edgy solstice
You can macro it to leap at mouse location without having to click
terse iron
jsut get faster at cursor placement ๐ on that topic tho... zekvos room pisses me off
digital arrow
thank you
solid mist
Assuming I'm semi-competant. 347 aight for taking H Uldir? Or just keep grinding normal and m+?
steel mauve
Same zekvoz is ass to leap in, the little corners on the ceiling and ground fuck with me
Ya you can do heroic uldir
As long as the groups competent ๐
chrome falcon
@solid mist you should be ok but if you're in like a 30 man raid, fetid and zul will destroy you
solid mist
Fetid I sh9uod try to MT right? ๐
chrome falcon
No, you want to OT fetid
Depending on your co-tank
It's really easy to have something up for every nuke on Fetid
steel mauve
Fetid wont destroy you in a higher raid size...
solid mist
And for Ghuun, you swap the horror back and forth? Or just not bother and tank both the add and Ghuun?
steel mauve
We dont bother on ghuun
chrome falcon
You basically need (At full hp) one of the following for HC fetid:
SB+IP
SB+Demo
SW
LS
SB+Small external (ironbark, sac)
Big external (guardian, pain supp)
You should swap on ghuun but it's not necessary
An add that has eaten like 40 stacks will hurt you a lot but other than that it's ok
steel mauve
Dont use any cds above 50% on heroic fetid
Shield block and your normal rotation of demo shout and ips are enough
I didnt even try to save demo for a thrash and just kept its uptime up
chrome falcon
I think you're underestimating how much damage HC fetid does to someone in 347
solid mist
Did pug normal Ghuun last night. Had to reset taunt with leap a few times to do it just b/c the devuff timing and then other tank wouldn't have another taunt up so i just tanked both most of the time
steel mauve
I did it with less ilvl
terse iron
dont be off tank on fetid HC tbh . shit trucks you
steel mauve
They nerfed his thrash dmg in raid sizex it hits for nearly nothing until at 50% when you need a cd for every one
solid mist
Trucks everyone right?
terse iron
more on OT
chrome falcon
Oh I didn't know they nerfed his damage based on raid size
Should be fine then lol
steel mauve
They did like the first week
It doesnt scalr any more so basically a 12 person raid thrash hits as much as a 30 man raid
Shield block is literally enough for any thrash above 50%
opaque cloak
on fetid HC we didn't even had to taunt swap
steel mauve
We dont either, the boss dies quick enough
opaque cloak
I could offtank the hits with shield block and last stand
question for Vektoz mythic
steel mauve
But use a cd for every thrash after 50% and then cycle externals for every one when you run out of cds and he should die
opaque cloak
yy exactly
does Vektoz shatter cound as melee attack? Is it mitigated with shield block?
steel mauve
Yes
opaque cloak
awesome
steel mauve
Always either shield block or bolster shatter
Spell reflect the other part of the combo
opaque cloak
Even with SB and DS this shatter hurts like hell
ohhh
Damn
never though about reflecting that
steel mauve
You can only spell reflect one of em, we switch off after shatter so i spell reflect the one im getting hit by
steel mauve
I think you can have spell reflect up for every one iirc
vocal obsidian
Is it correct we dont crit block anymore because they removed our mastery?
steel mauve
No
opaque cloak
awesome that's great info
steel mauve
Literally datamined info thats not even confirmed or official
steel mauve
They wouldnt just remove a classes mastery with out doing any thing to replace it
dark junco
No but it could be pointing out that they did in fact remove everything that gave critblock
Only thing left is the mention of critblock on azerite traits
But, since its the firstwave of changes, we donโt know yet ehat theyโre doing
steel mauve
Hes asking if its gone right now, on live
At least thats how i understood the question
They wouldnt on live remove our mastery with out doing any thing to replace it at all
dark junco
Fair enough
opaque cloak
on my character's stat page there is still Mastery and a reference to crit block
junior ivy
how cna i get champion equipment
dark junco
@opaque cloak on PTR
opaque cloak
ohh cool
dark junco
Look at the changes from 26602 to 26803
steel mauve
Its been datamined
dark junco
(If I remember the builds number right)
opaque cloak
do you have a link for that?
dark junco
Its everywhere on wowhead
steel mauve
Im sure that our mastery is gonna get reworked with this datanine
dark junco
Same
steel mauve
But i wouldnt freak out just yet about it
steel mauve
Pvp?
floral rock
Crafting
junior ivy
like i dunon what to search f or in AH
steel mauve
Oh you mean follower equipment
junior ivy
yeah
dark junco
I mean I can understand them wanting to walk away from unreliable mitigation to make it easier to balance, but it means there wont be a 88% mitigation like in legion lol
dark junco
Probably under finger, like the weapon enchants
steel mauve
Idk what they would be under
steel mauve
Could google it and search for exact items
dark junco
Wowhead or google id guess
junior ivy
alright ty
steel mauve
And ya i can see them getting away from unreliable mitigation as well
Like a chance to block literally double the dng
Dmg*
junior ivy
none are on ah
dark junco
Makes hard to balance and to adress
Imma guess weโll get nelth back, mastery will be blanket % reduction
So weโll have ยซย critblockย ยป with Nelth, but its gonna be gone from mastery
steel mauve
Let me move during nelths ๐
sick sentinel
2-3 changes to current warrior will be enough yet they will make some fancy shit sad ๐ฆ
floral rock
They take 15 expulsom to make so its not surprising no ones spending it on that shot
hearty portal
New mastery could be really cool tho
steel mauve
Ya the rest are 10% chance, i think the herb one takes like 2-3 months to start actually breaking even
dark junco
I could craft myself one, but since rewards from followers are bad, i donโt even bother
junior ivy
i gotta start makin gold
dark junco
Donโt
steel mauve
Or make your own flasks
dark junco
Level up a alt
sick sentinel
i got 10k gold xd its enough making flasks and prepots
dark junco
With herbalism and mining
Like druid
And send yourself the mats on your main to make โem
junior ivy
i have a herbvalist alt but ive yet to find a single anchor weed
an i have like 80 herbs now
misty rain
Yea there's not really any good way to make money
steel mauve
Well 80s not a lot, i got 1.7k winters kiss one day farming for anchor weed and got enough for like 2 months worth of flasks
junior ivy
yeh my friends am alchemist so i can just send him my herbs
but i gotta find anchorweeds ๐ฆ
steel mauve
Voldun and drustvar are the best bets
daring marlin
Holy fuck that was hilarious
I was doing a +7 underrot and I'm pretty sure they nerfed that shit
we failed the key because hunters love pulling extra shit I guess
but I deleted the key during the run and the end chest gave me a new +7 underrot key
? ? ?
junior ivy
whats with people deleting keys?
daring marlin
Why not? I'd rather that than getting a +6
copper pewter
I think that was the question, what does deleting the key do
red sequoia
they delete the key so they wont have their key downgraded
daring marlin
For some ungodly reason it gave me another key of the same level.
For example:
I downgraded an underrot key earlier in the week to a +4
I ended up deleting it
I run a +8 tol dagor
and it gave me a +8 key at the end
Keys are fucking whacky now.
daring marlin
Probably something they'll fix.
Then again, people are still getting +11s and shit.
from their weekly chest from the initial week lol
mellow bridge
huh
it's supposed to give you a key one level below the one you run
e.g delete key, run a 8 get a 7 key
and yeah they nerfed teeming over night
terse iron
teeming seems random. i ran AD back to back and had different packs teemed
mellow bridge
Yes it's partially random
Some packs are always bigger, some can be bigger and sometimes there are even completely new extra packs
daring marlin
idk
I did like 5 underrot runs earlier in the week and both sides of the bridge had two matrons or w/e the fuck they're called
terse iron
yea thats what i had. the left side had a n extra pack between the pack above stairs and the 2nd pack. was odd
pack that has never been there before
daring marlin
but this last one the left side was clear
mellow bridge
yea that's cuz of teeming
in Atal Dazar if you go to the priestess
there can be an extra pack inbetween the 2nd and 3rd pack too
terse iron
^
mellow bridge
have to be really careful with the pull there or you end up having like 10 mobs with 3 of the big guys at the same time
terse iron
kinda cool that there is some rng to it
daring marlin
That's actually hilarious.
terse iron
same run my grp died to the fire on the stairs while i was tanking the pack at the gate. they couldnt kill me because all physical. Healer was amazed i didnt die haha
mellow bridge
I actually really dislike the rng
Makes planning routes awkward
like I went AD twice back to back
daring marlin
I hate underrot because
mellow bridge
one time the route I had planned worked out perfectly with the trash
daring marlin
people lose their fucking mind
when the fixate add is on them
and pull extra shit
mellow bridge
the next time we had to pull an extra pack (and waste quite some time walking) cuz of the RNG
blissful imp
Saw some confusion about keys up there. If you delete your key then the next mythic you do will give you a key that is one under the highest completed key youve done that week
So if you have a 4 key, but have done a 9(or currently doing a 9) and you delete your key
Then completing a Mythic will give you an 8 key
Delete keys for dungeons you don't like and random a better dungeon
kind urchin
If you go right in Atal'Dazar there's extra stealthies to deal with on teeming.
sick sentinel
Man I miss the days of early legion when we were gods with Ignore Pain
how the mighty have fallen
tiny rapids
people lose their fucking mind
Ain't them all? @daring marlin
brave oar
thoughts about the 8.1 patch notes? saw it said mastery: critical block, was removed
steel mauve
Its data mined, not official so can change by even tomorrow
kind urchin
Would hope for some form of more consistent dr as a mastery.
daring marlin
I find regular blocks to be just fine so yeah, crit block being changed to something else would be neat.
steel mauve
I think thats what they should go for, in bfa we want consistency as tanks
daring marlin
Even if when it does proc on some big tank buster it feels good.
junior ivy
anyone know how i get to zandalar on an alt?
kind urchin
I might be an outlier here, but I would even take a reduced amount blocked while shield block is active if we could achieve 100% uptime.
terse iron
Queueing for M+ like Declined, Declined, Declined, Declined, Declined
terse iron
waiting for friends to get online so can actually do our keys
id need to go dps to get into pugs
im 362
vivid sage
PUGS ARENT FUN ANYWAYS
daring marlin
true that
digital arrow
queue up for a group and put in the notes "im not a bad war i promise" ๐
winter skiff
do u guys use macros?
junior ivy
i use a heroic leap mouseover macro
mellow bridge
I use clique so I can charge to my group via the plates
winter skiff
i wanna set one up where i intercept and heroic leap right after
not sure how to set it up
terse iron
cast sequence prob
analog pendant
Should be better geared tank main- or offtank fetid?
sick sentinel
what
severe pond
just use your mitigation before the thrash and let the heals top you hp
kind urchin
I think he was asking if the better geared tank should main tank or be the thrash tank.
lucid kelp
can 1 shield block stretch over 2 Thrash's if timed right?
steel mauve
Imo its less gear based and more class based
So knave
No*
They are 6-8 seconds apart minimum
lucid kelp
Ok. I'd had a few that Felt like they were a couple miliseconds off...and wasn't sure if I was getting the shield block, or just getting lucky
steel mauve
And can be and often are delayed by abilities, since it is on his melee swing timer its the lowest priority ability the boss has so every thing else can delay it even longer
And prot wars can do both very well MT and OT fetid
Ive heard classes like monks its better off letting them take thrashes because they deal with singular big hits far better than they do constant dmg like his melee swings
And before any one asks, heavy repercussions isnt worth trying to extend shield block uptime to get 2 thrashes ๐
They are so far apart that we can have it up every one any ways, and you would most likely need 2 shield slams within a shield block to cover it on some occasions, and thats a minimum delay
analog pendant
yea, thats what I ment. Worked out fine with me as MT
steel mauve
I usually mt our fetid and my monk co tank takes thrashes and it works out well
lucid kelp
I've been Tanking thrashes with a DK main tanking
a spastic DK that moves around randomly
steel mauve
Ya thats not good...
Theres no point to move other than to reposition after knockback
half carbon
steel mauve
Get the healers to focus the fuck out of you
If youve got 2 bresses you could purposefully die as well out side dropping the aoe
slim lake
Is overall 10k dmg taken a lot as protection in a +8 motherlode?
terse iron
ugh like 275 or some shit. most pug runs fail with bad dps, either low dmg or just stuffing up . Annoying has to be in top 500 to get score increase.
if we need to have such a system should be a base score for finishing, bonus score for +1 +2 +3 imo
but it says i havnt completed 3 dungeons on M+ which i have so no clue when this thing updates
sick sentinel
there is bonus
mellow bridge
Well your other runs prolly weren't in the top 500 of that dungeon then
and yeah there's a bonus
the faster you clear a dungeon, the more points you get
terse iron
but you get no score and doesnt record it unless its top 500 at all?
mellow bridge
top 500 run for that dungeon in that week for your server
means it's easier to get smth logged if you do it early in the week
not their fault tho, it's the blizz API that only shows top 500
terse iron
but it tracks what you have done and how many upgrades key got on the site?
surely that would be a better system for scoring
mellow bridge
Sorry I dont understand what youre trying to say
terse iron
ok
so atm you only get score if in top 500 because of API?
on the site it lists every key you did regardless. Why cant they use those as a scoring system giving you a base score for the lvl completed and bonus for how many + you get seeing as they can see what keys you are doing.
Or am i being a lil bitcha bout it lol
all just seems silly to me
its like solo que in moba xD
sacred roost
they announce anything on what our "buffs" are going to be?
I'd ratherr see a complete rework, but I don't see that comming.
steel mauve
Top 500 for a server
If you dont make top 500 for your server but you have a friend in your group on a low pop server and your group makes top 500 on that server than it counts for your score too
Best work around is make good friends on low pop servers and run keys on them
eager hedge
Prot warrior life on Fetid Mythic isnt fun ๐
inland mesa
oh, why's that? are you thrash or main
I don't think any tank life is fun on mythic fetid
eager hedge
Monks having a blast
Our druid just went monk, so im going to tank the boss now. Had no real issues on thrash, tho healers would rather have a monk so they didnt have to throw externals constantly
Setup is scuffed, im the only warrior for shout ^^ Otherwise i wouldve gone monk instantly lol
inland mesa
monks seemed to be getting chunked really hard, is the timing different in mythic? I haven't had to call for an external in heroic for a while now, but it does hit lighter
steel mauve
Um thats the whole reason externals are there... to be used...
inland mesa
guess I'll find out next week, hope to kill vectis tonight ๐
steel mauve
Sounds like some questionable healers to be complaining about using a damage reduction cd to lessen damage that needs to be healed, or to provide the tank a non death
sacred roost
Or they just want a tank that doesn't require it to make it easier overall?
I mean, honestly, the fact that one tank requires them and another doesn't, is bad as it is.
ember arrow
it depends
some tanks need externals where others dont
you cant stand here arguingthat healers not wanting to use their abilities for whatever reason is a good thing
sacred roost
it's not, I just don't like not really having a nitch i guess.
in the best guilds they use a combination of the easiest tanks with the best healerrs for the best rresults, generally.
which is why we see method using 2 monk tanks.
undone sun
well yeah, because they're in the world race so they take any advantage they can get
that's not really the same situation as the average raider
final mist
BRM can use the externals too.
sacred roost
no, but playing anything other then the top tank is a detriment to your guild, generally, and may make things take longer.
I just want the playing field for tanks to be much more level.
final mist
Ah, so everyone should just roll BRM and stop complaining about it, then?
sacred roost
but, that might also make them feel fairly the same to play.
final mist
If you're not in a world first guild, your class choice generally won't make too much of an impact.
sacred roost
Sal, that's definitly not true
inland mesa
We're almost 4/8, and I haven't once felt like warrior is what held us back from killing a boss currently. Fetid may change it cuz he's a pita, sure.
vocal nimbus
Thats true
final mist
And we've beat this convo to death, with multiple dead horses, so I'm gonna go ahead and put a stop to it right now.
sick sentinel
^
vocal nimbus
Time to ๐ถ
steel mauve
So we were running into issues last night on the tree guy in way crest manor where the fire was getting spawned in the walls, trees and even outside of the gate on the edge of the map
ember arrow
@sacred roost i was talking about mythic tanking
tanking is by far the easiest position in raids
sacred roost
it's more repetitive, for sure, but I wouldn't say it's easier or harder, it's still the same series of actions, just maybe in a different order.
I mean, I don't think I've ever spent 4 months dieing to the same boss on mythic like I did on say, Muru.
ember arrow
its definitely easiest
steel mauve
I think thats kind of subjective, to a lot of dps im sure dpsing is easier than tanking
daring marlin
Healing is probably the most โdifficultโ.
steel mauve
I personally find tanking easier than dpsing, and fuck healing, but im sure others are conpletely different, its just a case by case basis
sacred roost
I think alot of it rreally depends on the fight.
some bosses tanking is easier, some dpsing is easier.
steel mauve
Ya i couldnt bother healing, im awful at it and its too nerve wracking for me
sacred roost
it's wack a mole for druids, least it use to be ๐
outer dew
Dps/Healing is easier mechanically imo
Tanking/Healing
I think dps is the hardest to maximize
Since you're forever chasing numbers and optimizing your rotation
daring marlin
For sure. DPS has the highest skill ceiling.
errant wing
easier to get high tank parse than dps ๐
ember arrow
usually guilds dont care for tank dps
as long s they dont die
and play decnetly
dps have way more to compete
kind urchin
Biggest problem I see is group members not comprehending spread and stack. Or soak and don't soak.
sacred roost
right now, I'm leveling and playing fury, and I enjoy it so far, I leveled as tank from 1-90, and I felt like I was made of paper.
sacred roost
as a prot tank, not really ๐
sacred roost
in dungeons, you leveled as prot by doing dungeons up through mop/cata 1 shotting mobs?
since release.
undone sun
why're you leveling through dungeons, that's the real question
ember arrow
i talk about open woprld
steel mauve
Thats slow af doing dungeons, even as prot
sick sentinel
I felt paper with lvling up as blood dk in dungeons
ember arrow
we're in bfa
talking about how u felt in dungeons in cata
is kida irrelevant
furva
kind urchin
Never felt like paper leveling any tank. They all seem pretty solid.
sacred roost
It had never been that bad in prior expansions, in comparison
sick sentinel
I am talking after the scaling btw
kind urchin
I take your scaling and raise you vanilla and bc leveling. Scaling isn't bad.
sacred roost
bc wasn't bad leveling.
at least from what I remember, at least, not in comparison to vanilla, that took forever.
it was very linear though
kind urchin
I meant more on the lines of how hard things hit. Had to go slower. This even with scaling is far easier than the earlier days.
sacred roost
It's been a long time, but I don't remember really having a hard time with bc, leveling wise.
brazen void
BC leveling was slower than it is today. more deadly too. But not too much.
You couldn't really tackle more than 2-3 enemies without a build suited for kiting or leech
or a tank
sacred roost
I probably leveled as tank, so that might be why.
edgy solstice
A breath of fresh air compared to vanilla
ember arrow
i love scaling atm
sacred roost
well, to be fair, you did go through 3x as many levels in vanilla. ๐
ember arrow
i hated the oneshottign everything
brazen void
A mage not playing well his blink/frost nova setup just died if it took on more than one enemy at a time.
Elites spoke doom
brazen void
heh, I quit blood elves right as they gained it. Demon hunters too
I also joined warriors after they lost it
sacred roost
blood elves getting heritage armor.
sick sentinel
3 hours of wiping on Zul... not that fun turns out
sick sentinel
everything in p2 goes well, until it is time for the 4rth tank swap
ember arrow
Mythic?
sick sentinel
HC
sick sentinel
we have 2 bops...
sick sentinel
and the 3rd we CR
weak zephyr
prot is fucking hilarious in pvp
sick sentinel
is it good?
vagrant cape
...it's hilarious.
weak zephyr
You can't die if you play it right, but if you don't then it's comedic gold for the other person watch you die within 2 seconds.
topaz sparrow
Our Prot warrior tank is getting oneshot on Zek'vos mythic
What can he do to not die
rugged plinth
Needs to time his shield blocks better
shouldn't be an issue
shatter is blockable
rugged plinth
^^
ember arrow
U take full combo?
eager hedge
Yeah?
ember arrow
I dont
jagged bay
on heroic u have last stand up for every comb not sure how it is on mythic
rugged plinth
that too
ruby stratus
It the same on Mythic
eager hedge
But its really easy to do Zek as prot warr
topaz sparrow
Comboed I think
ruby stratus
Last stand + IP before and after Shatter and SR the last lash
topaz sparrow
I can link logs in a bit
ruby stratus
You could even Demo it, if you don't need it for the warriors
broken kite
Truth
The hardest part of zek is making sure your cotank taunts promptly
๐ ๐
digital arrow
u guys think these class changes might be made on tuesday?
junior ivy
IS WARRIOR BEIN CHANGED?
undone sun
on PTR there's changes going out
but all we know is mastery is getting changed so far
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sick sentinel
Lol
ember arrow
@undone sun lets hope they make prot fun again
undone sun
steel mauve
the class changes wont be made on tuesday, most likely its still a ways away
broken kite
"protection warrior is now a DPS spec, enjoy" - blizzard
ember arrow
i jsut want it to flow better
rain bridge
Hey bois. I posted a prot log in #449510248579858432 , I figure it's most used by dps bois, so might not hurt talking about it in here once. If anybody has some time it would be greatly appreciated ๐ I might not respond right away but I'll read any feedback ๐
ember arrow
like in legion. and ye i know this isnt legion
cloud bone
Gladiator stance is back
rain bridge
I meant more as in there are a lot more warriors playing dps than tank in raiding atm :v
ember arrow
not surprised
half jewel
New azerite piece from warfront 370 ilvl, got liberator's might and bloodsport. Which one is better?
brazen void
well, the ratio won't be 1:2 just because it's one of three specs
brazen void
And then you want to see how other tank classes fare in this same comparison
cloud bone
yeah my team has like 4-5 warriors and I'm one of them as tank
brazen void
and THEN that only gives you how the tanks are compared to each other's dps specs
uneven mason
Arms is in a good place right now and a lot of Prot warriors got asked to go DPS for Uldir
I mean, at least we're not druids?
ember arrow
Our arms doing 19k overall feelsgood
brazen void
which does let you know if a role is far better than the other for a given class, but doesn't tell you if it's good.
ember arrow
Dont u mean more popular
brazen void
Yeah I'm using that interchangeably with good/bad here
broken kite
@ember arrow I meant after the combo :)
broken kite
I always hope he is slow so I can dramatically yell "TAUNT!!"
Gotta keep it interesting
ember arrow
What class
broken kite
Paladin
ember arrow
Ah shield buddies
broken kite
Yeee boi
uneven mason
Wish my paladin buddy was good at when to taunt...was doing an alt normal (it should be easy right? fish some TF, get the F&F members some gear) kept taunting Ghuun off me just before his explosive cast clearing stacks "Dude you were gonna explode in the middle of the raid"
I still don't think he gathered
that spell reflect, stops the debuff
small plume
one question: Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity from Vectis is better than rezan?
steel mauve
Theres no requirement just kill it and tou either get loot or you dont
vagrant arrow
any1 have a info?
steel mauve
The one in warfront
ember arrow
pug?
tiny rapids
No, guild
tiny rapids
We lost some people from Legion to BFA and then recruit and taking the not so good
We had like 26 people, but 8 of them couldnt do basics
Then more recruit, polishing the promising players and all.
We're casual guild who enjoys challenge so we are not as concerned to race Mythic, but rather do before patch.
ember arrow
well if you clear mythic before patch you are a cutting edge guild ๐
tiny rapids
Semantics.
broken kite
Nice :)
ember arrow
i didnt mean it liek that
all of legion in m+ at the end it was often like "hey prot warr is pty good"
broken kite
I know xD
round vortex
So from the data mining it looks theyโre changing our mastery. Iโm predicting that they change mastery to give us bigger ignore pains.
vocal nimbus
Dont rely on datamining
There are 3 possible scenarios
Blizzard may be simplifying tooltips. They already said in a q&a that they dont want to show much info in tooltips
The datamining can be incomplete our just wrong
undone sun
A) simplifying the tooltips for everyone to understand
B) Complete rework to mastery to buff the spec
C)Data mining error
amber siren
undone sun
vocal nimbus
Was it a copypasta ๐ค
sick sentinel
๐ฌ
undone sun
no
vocal nimbus
Fastest NA keyboard
signal plover
FYI SR doesn't stop the explosive corruption debuff...it reflects it to another raid member. should still reflect it but i don't remember an interaction like that in an encounter before.
oops i didn't scroll down
o well w/e
undone sun
that shouldn't be the case
hot locust
Almost positive that is not the case.
signal plover
steady dock
Yeah, I have that on Vidio
signal plover
watch at 2:13
steady dock
Video * . Happened to me a few hrs ago - SR sends it flying to another raid member
signal plover
it bounces off me to the boomy
unborn karma
am i being dumb, or where do i sim for prot warrior?
cinder nova
You can't
floral rock
unless you want to check your DPS for some reason
cinder nova
There's no string written for prot war
steel mauve
doesnt work for dps either
unborn karma
argh man, so i have to actually read my gear ha
steel mauve
not like our stat priority is difficult, literally the easiest in the game
unborn karma
haste - vers?
undone sun
logs would be easier to determine @signal plover
steel mauve
ilvl > haste > vers = master
undone sun
but i'm also certain sense went through it
cinder nova
@unborn karma 
floral rock
is DC worth like 30 ilvls still?
undone sun
nothing has changed to make it otherwise
steel mauve
i think it was theorycrafted about 45, but that was napkin math
does ghuun cast explosive corruption on 3 players during p2?
steel mauve
im assuming when he casts explosive corruption 3 players get the debuff, the tank always being one of them
on my logs, when he cast it on me, only 2 dps got it, and the third man out being me had spell reflect up
unborn karma
@cinder nova oh sorry ๐
steel mauve
and weve got a 30 man roster so itll always be the max amount of players getting a mechanic
at least strats says he casts it on 3 members, so logs say spell reflect doesnt reflect it onto a party member
open bluff
for the taunt thing, the latest update from peak:
Wowhead still reports taunts as having the secondary effect of bonus threat generation. This is by no means a guarantee that scenario A in my previous post is what's actually happening and not scenario C, but it does seem more likely to be a matter of tooltip standardization/simplification.
may be worth @undone sun mentioning it in his pin here
undone sun
@steel mauve in p3 it's only 1 player
dense flame
i would love for banners return
maybe an aoe grip banner? aoe silence banner?
like freaking dh
toolkit
would be legit calss fantasy
nerf our dmg output a bit
would equalize
steel mauve
im just saying that logs say spell reflect isnt reflecting it onto a random raider, if 3 players max including the tank always get it in p2
ember arrow
meiffert mentione dthis
peopel are focuse on taking things others have
isntead of coming up with original ideas. Although masgrip banner would look fun
steel mauve
i wouldnt mind getting a banner that literally did nothing
amber siren
๐
dense flame
lmao
steel mauve
dont knock the power of an on demand intervene target at your disposal where ever you want
steel mauve
technically its just sitting there, you're doing some thing
broken kite
Warbringer with no DR pls
ember arrow
F
broken kite
F
What are the expectations for pre-81 buffs? I'm expecting a small change to our passive Stam/armour tbh
Interested to get folks thoughts
broken kite
What do you think will happen
ember arrow
i hope IP will get stronger
i hope that, if mastery gets changed, it interacts with all damage more
i hope that DC wont be a mandatory trait anymore
i hope that we will be able to block ranged autoattacks
FFS
motherloade
what about you?
shut summit