lul
#protection
floral rock
ember arrow
ok bye
true hazel
Warrior for like. Im just maining arms right now. Our time will come back
hallow sun
idk i hope so. for now tho he will just rest in SW
sick sentinel
Lmao
vivid sage
do you want me to do the eugoogly
open bluff
is said angle at least acute
digital arrow
ahhh feels good when healer says i barely took damage on +7 tol dagor
upbeat folio
@digital arrow good group will do that.
But good tanking is part of that.
But nothing can save you from
THROW ROCK
digital arrow
those rocks hurt lol
cloud bone
god no not the rocks
warm spear
yo, wich weapon enchant should i use for prot?, quick nav?
junior ivy
yup
ashen trellis
I've also thrown the towel in on my warrior. Playing my DK until Blizzard releases actual class changes. Its night and day playing BM, DK, and pally. Those 3 tanks are absolutely face roll to tank on, BM specifically. 100% active mitigation uptime bull shit.
Im also floored that they are buffing one of our Azerite traits lol. Why are they even looking at prot warrior azerite traits? Im guessing they have a select few that are focusing on nothing but traits right now imo
mellow bridge
They announcet that they are tuning the traits of every class afaik so they prolly have a team just for that
red sequoia
has the sky fallen yet?
formal surge
You think i can convince blizz to bring back Gladi if i'd suck each of their dicks?
digital arrow
bring back heroic strike blizz! id rather use that than devastate
junior ivy
i like dheroic strike
heroic
and i liked when devestate was called sunder armor and had 3 charges
i mean stacked 3 times or whaterver
formal surge
When devastate was actually good and you didnt have to skill it away :v
junior ivy
wasnt it just 3
fair crystal
When im much Old i will tell my children's children about the Rocks of Tol D
daring marlin
Sunder was 5 originally
digital arrow
hold on im putting on the third sunder armor, dont attack yet
fair crystal
didnt it always stack to 5 you just had to wait for the 3rd ?
digital arrow
those rocks be the bane of our existence! shakes gnome fist
junior ivy
youre a gnome too pocky?
outer dew
shakes panda fist
digital arrow
yeah tiny tanks ftw
dawn dome
good to hear I'm not the only one slightly frustrated right now
outer dew
I mean, I'm sure every class and spec is frustrated
dawn dome
especially this week with the crazy m+ combo of "hey, let's make it MOAR mobs and make them hurt even more!" π
outer dew
Class design went down the drain after legion
floral rock
Lol
daring marlin
silk mortar
Is there any week that isnt cancerous
daring marlin
lol
fair crystal
cant wait to see my group Bolster Rat trapers in FH
gentle rain
Oh god
silk mortar
Man those will be fun
proud harbor
Howβs Prot looking for keys in 8.1?
proud harbor
Yeah I saw the Mastery removed but thatβs all I could find
sick sentinel
I know this has been asked many times here
but
Taunts no longer increase the threat against the target for a short window of time
WHAT IS THIS
mellow bridge
π€·
magic drift
Fuck knows whats going on there.
undone sun
sick sentinel
oh ok thanks
robust urchin
Blizzard said they just don't know how to fix prot so they will be removing it next patch and replace it with gladiator spec a one hand and shield based dps spec
mellow bridge
ayy I did it
rank 2 prot warrior on my server
according to raider score
too bad rank 1 has 400 points more than me
mellow bridge
1,1k points to 750 :/
sick sentinel
So doesn't mean much.
mellow bridge
Looking at my scores, I really need to do a new WM and Temple
my only WM has been a +4 lol
magic drift
Evidence of WIP
waxen cradle
I would imagine it is the aforementioned fix they were talking about that will help some of our grievances but not all until they can decide a more permanent set of changes for us. Honestly I do not know anymore then anyone else, but as already stated above by others it could quite possibly be a mastery rework. No one really knows as its a early datamined set of changes. So it is best to not concern yourself for now and wait and see
grim prism
Broooooooo
Its PTR, it is literally for testing
They arent removing mastery
@ everyone
sick sentinel
Seriously lol
waxen cradle
If people could read I for one never suggested anything of the sort personally. All anyone has right now is speculation so I would suggest people take any changes that pop up with a mountain of salt and wait and see. Honestly most people will act like the sky is falling if any change is made that they do not prefer so I can hardly say I am surprised people see a first pass of datamined info and expect the worst. If you have played WoW for more than one month this should not surprise anyone as its just datamined crap.
fair crystal
^^ so much truth problem is we want changes so much if they said our mastery is giving use dual shields i would want to believe it π
weary notch
if they're going to change our mastery, my bet is they change it to something that narrows the gap between damage taken while SB/IP is up and when it's down, ala what they did with pallies from legion to bfa
fair crystal
yeah thats my look on it to Brun
mellow bridge
the difference in dmg taken with or without SB up is insane
fair crystal
Indom or something that buffs IP
waxen cradle
That being said my first, and last suggestion will be wait and see because you simply do not and will not know until you do. However if people want to put on there tinfoil hats and scream they are trying to read our minds I will certainly grab some popcorn and watch the show.
sick sentinel
I would be down to dual wield shields
undone sun
π
sick sentinel
I loved the dual shields in dark souls 2
lavish oracle
So I know ilvl doesn't matter too much for trinkets so I apologize if this sounds dumb, but is this worth equipping over a blockades deck?
fringe marten
well geez you could socket a str or haste gem on it, and have just a ton of mainstat...tough to ignore that.
lavish oracle
Yeah, the socket definitely helps
fringe marten
And as much as people want to hate on that...it's still a pretty potent proc.
lavish oracle
Any idea what the PPM is on it?
fringe marten
The thing about the darkmoon deck is that it guarantees a fairly strong, average amount of max HP
lavish oracle
(obviously it'll be higher in M+ than in raid)
left forge
Gladiator isnt coming back. D:
waxen cradle
Yeah if you don't want it you could scrap it too because I mean its worth at least one expulsom, but seriously pure main stat and a haste gem and compare it to your other trink as you listed possibly replacing the Darkmoon trink so what is your other trink or trinks ?
fringe marten
Low azathoth, I have a 365 I tried out...it was very squarely in the "mehhhh? " range of effectiveness. Much prefer my 365 Butcherblock + 365 rezan eye. I only use darkmoon deck in raids.
The proc on the gore crusted block provides something like 6% parry...which is to say I went from like 18 to 24% or something like that? so you're talking about a respective like 30% frequency increase in your parries. (depends on your crit/parry rating you already have of course)
sick sentinel
π¬
lavish oracle
I don't really wanna scrap it because it raises my PUG ilvl by two π
waxen cradle
But really look at what trinkets you have and decide where it could be most useful to you as the primary stat does have value by itself and you could always throw a haste or strength gem in it
fringe marten
no absolutely do not scrap th at trinket
waxen cradle
I was never serious about scrapping it man
lavish oracle
Haha, makes sense
fringe marten
honestly with the socket...toss haste or str kraken eye in it, and try it out for a few dungeons. see what you think
fringe marten
ok. Step 1. Make sure you are using the 'standard' prot warrior build
lavish oracle
You should have spell reflect up for every essence shear at least
fringe marten
Step 2. Just use block and SR for every sheer
jovial forge
***I haven't been using spell reflect all the time on the cast but just relying on my shield block + ignore pain
fringe marten
If you're getting 1 shot something is horribly wrong.
jovial forge
I didn't realise that i could use spell reflect for that cast
fringe marten
yeah it's magic damage...also once you beat him
Unless they change it, on Ghunn you can use spell reflect to 'cancel' explosive spores
so every other spore cast...you can reflect it..and it does nothing to you
lavish oracle
Oooh, foreal?
jovial forge
ah ill try that
wise root
wow
jovial forge
didn't know that
fringe marten
Yeah, DBM 'says' it's on you..then nothing happens.
jovial forge
I feel dumb now for not using spell reflect on Mythrax π
waxen cradle
I believe the spell or cast Mythrax uses going into P2 or well add phase can be reflected also
fringe marten
The way we were doing Heroic ghunn is I was literally taking every Spore....I would taunt when he came out..hold him until he cast it..dink it with SR, OT taunts off...then I taunt back...next Explosive I leap out last second..charge back...retaunt...reflect the next...repeat that forever.
lavish oracle
Does it still place the goop or does it get rid of that too?
waxen cradle
Not sure but I believe it can be as I thought I reflected the damage once so I turned game sounds back on and pop it on transitioned and heard the spell reflect audio go off however that could be a audio bug
fringe marten
I'm 100% sure they'll fix it...they did on ? whatever that green fel demon was in legion..where we zero'd out the entire mythic mechanic.
Any time warriors have a cool trick for anything, or we are suddenly a top tier tank, or are the 'best' choice for ...pretty much anything...they're going to smack it down. They have for the last like ? 8 years?
wise root
so sounds like prot is a viable tank in heroic? seems like general mindset is they're super weak
though, from a healing perspective, i've seen a lot of poorly played prot warriors
fringe marten
Not at all..we're fine all the way through heroic and in most of mythic. It's only rough on Mythic Fetid. We can do it..but it ain't pretty.
lavish oracle
I think prot requires a way higher skill level to get the same results as other tanks
fringe marten
And for heroic fetid..just be the "main tank' We do me MT on fetid, and bear OT on fetid..and we never have to switch from pull to death.
wise root
seems like a lot of people still think shield block is a CD
lavish oracle
Fetid honestly felt great as prot
fringe marten
Prot is without question one of, if not the highest skillcap tank... Monks have a pretty high skillcap too.
lavish oracle
As a main tank, anyways
wise root
i'll see if my guild will let me tank it next week haha
jovial forge
Yeh fetid was surprisingly really good as prot managed to get a sweet parse π
waxen cradle
People think SB is a CD ?
wise root
from what i've seen as a healer, yes
waxen cradle
Do they think the earth is flat too ?
fringe marten
We have a lot of cooldowns, and have to do a lot of work to maintain and bring up our mitigation..and push rage out to push down the timers on our cd's...we are manipulating a lot of various cooldowns and abilities constantly. Requires a ton of work to be effective and viable. Other tanks (not all..but some) simply don't have to work near as hard for the same survivability, or possibly even better....hence why blizzard is willing to give warriors a balance pass coming soon.
lavish oracle
If they gave us higher uptime on shield block, I think we'd be way better in raids
gaunt coyote
increase IP's duration so I dont have to refresh it constantly on trash
fossil sparrow
buff IP to what it was before the legion nerf
waxen cradle
I just hope this "balance" pass does not make us super boring as at least for me what has always drawn me to the prot Warrior is having to work to excell at it and when you do it feels great
wise root
agreed
lavish oracle
Kekkers, even I have to admit we were OP then π
fringe marten
If they change just....2? or 3 things...I think we'd shoot up to par with everyone else. Shave 3~+ seconds off the cooldown of shield block. Take IP off gcd and give a bit more scaling so we actually cast a larger IP shield (it's so tiny atm) and return spell reflect back to legion status (reflect all spells for it's duration, have 30~40% mitigation)
lavish oracle
Honestly, even just moving Impending Victory to another row would help, I would kill for some on demand self-healing
fringe marten
You're buffing up a weak part of our defensive rotation...why wouldn't you instead focus on buffing the one 'good' part of our rotation? Go for brace or iron fort.
fossil sparrow
gcd changes fucked warrior (and by extension prot) more than other classes
waxen cradle
I play pretty much all other tanks also and there are few others that give me that feeling of needing to put work in to excel and I would prefer to not have warriors go to boring
fringe marten
And if they want to put icing on that cake...take avatar/shout/etc off GCD. ..or at the VERY VERY least, our ONE raid cooldown, please take it off GCD. WHY is rallying cry on gcd? how stupid
waxen cradle
I could see Avatar staying on GCD as its a rage/TC/dps modifier but I would like DS off GCD for sure
fringe marten
Having our Raid/group utility be on GCD; meaning it interrupts our own survivability rotation...is ? stupid
gaunt coyote
Im only expecting number tuning
lavish oracle
We have evidence that it's beyond number tuning already
fringe marten
Ult that's all I'm expecting as well. Which means for short durations we'll be even MORE durable. but it will actually fix balance in no way..nor make the class smoother to play.
waxen cradle
Using avatar prepull does not bug me too much but also DS, and IP and our Raid utility yes that annoys me badly
lavish oracle
IE the critical block and SB changes that were datamined
weary notch
what SB changes were datamined?
frosty wedge
3 charges
lavish oracle
They added the shield slam crit to it baseline @weary notch
Instead of needing to talent Heavy reprecussions
fringe marten
Ok that would be sick? 3 charges would alleviate the need to lower the CD.
weary notch
fuck 3 charges
lavish oracle
which probably means they're probably reworking heavy reprecussions
fringe marten
I'd still prefer a faster CD...BUT 3 charges is at least in the right direction.
lavish oracle
They're not giving it 3 charges, lol
astral crystal
there's no way it's 3 charges
fringe marten
IE it means we still have to spend more rage
astral crystal
what about HR? they're just leaving it dead in the water
waxen cradle
3 Charges ? I have not seen that anywhere, but the baseline crit addition is nice if that makes it to live
fringe marten
Why not? That's just baking in the legendary leggings.
Which means they were ok with us having 3 SB charges and 2 SR charges in legion.
and that was when SR was a lot more potent.
waxen cradle
But still as already stated that does not help HR, it all but makes it another dead talent
gaunt coyote
itd be nice if devastate wasnt just meh fuller
fringe marten
^
lavish oracle
They're probably reworking HR @waxen cradle
brazen void
It's very, very meh
gaunt coyote
only get to use it once one a blue moon cuase gcd locks
undone sun
π
lavish oracle
If they're adding the crit baseline to SB
brazen void
even single target it's so rare to even get to use it
fringe marten
you're only hitting devastate because literally every other possible thing is on cooldown. ...even your 'free' revenge.
gaunt coyote
inb4 we have to juggle a debuff off of devastate
prot warrior is now plate spinning warrior
fringe marten
But speculating is pointless. You'll just get your hopes up for nothing.
weary notch
they didn't change anything with SB. Not per the wowhead notes. They just removed Crit Block
waxen cradle
Would be nice if they had added the 3% magic damage reduction to shield slam from the punish talent but one they will not and two another dead talent... if were talking things added baseline to spells
lavish oracle
They added 30% crit to shield slam while SB is active @weary notch
hollow kite
on zul 3 stacks in the minimum on the last phase right?
weary notch
no they didn't
weary notch
you're reading the tooltip wrong
fringe marten
..Again; wait for actual changes. My only real hope is that they don't try and 'rebalance' the class, and simply only make things better. Because if they try and rebalance by altering how crit block works, they're likely to end up back where they started as far as the overall potency of protection warrior.
No 3 stacks is the maximum.
Zul's DoT is angry AF
lavish oracle
I'm convinced that no one at Blizzard actually plays prot
undone sun
Or the game for that matter
lavish oracle
Fair
weary notch
about the simplest thing they could do, aside from just adding like a 5% DR to all dmg taken to vanguard, would be to rework mastery so that it provides a scaling reduction to all damage taken
undone sun
Ion plays a shaman so that doesn't count Kappa
uneven mason
Like I've said, mathematically (how devs look at the class) there is zero wrong with prot
fringe marten
lord if they add 5% raw DR to warrior....I can hear the bitching from everyone else already.
weary notch
assuming perfect play
uneven mason
We have the potential to mitigate more damage and have very strong survivability
assuming perfect/near perfect play
which is what the issue is
waxen cradle
They may all set around and pull at there beards and laugh manically when they design Warrior changes... for example Muahahahaha!!!
uneven mason
nearly all players cannot main tain that level of gameplay focus for 100% of the time or even 90% of the time I would say
weary notch
they've done that for years. See: feral
uneven mason
the average player probably slips over 30% of the time
Right
Prot is BFAs feral
if you compare it to Cataclysm feral
fringe marten
I'm just not going to get my hopes up, or assume anything. We aren't 'bad' atm we just aren't as strong as other classes in other situations (all the situations that matter) So if we come out of the changes a stronger tank..cool.
weary notch
feral, for it's complexity, should be top DPS in every situation
uneven mason
EXCEPT Exodus
Feral had the benefit of IF YOU PLAYED at 100%
you did Biggest dick super DPS
if you play Prot at 100%, you're as agood as any other tank
but really don't have a whole lot more
fringe marten
No, you aren't as good as any other tank is the problem.
undone sun
i wouldn't say every situation anymore, latest Q&A clearly stated they they weren't meant to have strengths in AoE
fringe marten
Monks straight up mitigate more, and have 100% uptime on mitigation.
weary notch
they do mitigate less, but it's nearly impossible to screw up monks AM
uneven mason
right
its the forgiveness
Monks can be played like a flipperhanded chip and survive mechanics
fringe marten
Yes numerically, when you talk armor+shield block. But when you factor in how ACTUAL damage mitigation for monk works, combined with purifying brew...they mitigate damage in a major, and smooth way.
uneven mason
warriors to reach that same point have to play like they're Michael Jordan
Actually THEY DONT
THey stil ltake MORE DAMAGE
lavish oracle
I think the smoothing is monk's big strong point
uneven mason
^^^
lavish oracle
not so much the actual mitigation
uneven mason
Monks take a solid 20% more damage than warriors hands down
how they deal with that is what makes them the meta
fringe marten
They delete a large chunk of the damage, and smooth it out so it becomes manageble...which is why I said "in every situation that matters"
waxen cradle
I can't support monks mitigate more, but there kit works in such a way that feel as though they do as its hard to mess up there rotation and if you do is far less punishing then say if a prot Warriors messes up. As if we mess up we die
fringe marten
OK..so, for the actual purposes..of actually mitigating damage that will actually kill you, so you can ACTUALLY kill mythic raid bosses...they mitigate damage BETTER.
uneven mason
Dadugan - a warrior being played optimally will just not take that damage.
fringe marten
The fact that, for 6 seconds at a time we reduce more damage..is meaningless.
weary notch
we used to be the smoothing tanks. Back when we could reach unhittable (not that I'm suggesting that - it's a bad idea, see: monk)
uneven mason
Unhittable ahh...TBC to Cataclysm
then they were like BUT BOB, THEY"RE CRITCIALLY BLOCKING EVERYTHING, and thus, the two roll system was born
fringe marten
This is the type of discussion that leads to warrior being where it is now, a handful of devs..or worse...1 guy, looking at damage reduction numbers on paper and saying "man warriors reduce damage SO much..they are fine"
fresh trail
i just dont want to have to play like michael jordan
uneven mason
its the high skillceiling required to maintain that in all situations that is the issue
fringe marten
Instead of "wait..you mean...how you manage the KEY mechanics of a raid boss are what determine how good you are? INSANITY!"
weary notch
I'm just concerned they're going to pull another 7.1.5, and completely alter the whole playstyle. If they do that, I'll quit BfA faster than I quit legion
waxen cradle
You guys remember when the blue post said... that we just don't understand how much damage a warrior can mitigate through our kit and blocking ?
uneven mason
Most major tank busters, I can take, as long as I think ahead, and take it far better than a monk or VDH or BDK
sour wigeon
for ex: zek voz
fresh trail
or even if ip healed a bit to make up for making a mistake
uneven mason
there are a few mechanics that come into play where its going to murder the shit out of me though
IP healing wouldn't matter
if you're not ahead of the damage you're already boned
fresh trail
true
uneven mason
and that is why warriors are more punishing
fresh trail
its basically the disc priest of tanks
uneven mason
like, Vect, Zul, anything with excessive DoTs
we just get ripped apart
if they made it % damage
fresh trail
but at least a disc priest can spam shadow mend if they are in deep shit
uneven mason
it would be more even across the board
since what saves other tanks on Zul is large HP pools
waxen cradle
I think that is how they see us in a scheme of pure math, but how that plays out more specifically for actual play is if we do not play near perfectly or flat out perfectly we do not meet the level of... we just don't understand how much damage we can mitigate
uneven mason
since warriors fall behind on his bleed because we're not in melee range to build rage for IPs which is our only source of mitigation vs that.
weary notch
warrior right now has more decision making than all the other tanks, which is what I enjoy about it. I just want to be punished a little less when I make the wrong decision.
uneven mason
They could just flat out give us a % Of our armor vs magic and DoTs
like they did for monks with stagger
vocal nimbus
Not building rage because you wait in the outer are is a big mistake tho
uneven mason
like I think 30% of our armor vs Magic
sour wigeon
i wish they gave us the SR from legion
undone sun
Legion private server
fringe marten
..and then there's the other endgame content. M+....we tank great, but have few 'tricks' . But we only tank great for a short period, as the key gets higher...and the HP pools on mobs make the packs live longer....other methods of play become more critical...IE self survival. I was watching JB and shakib do a 14 King's rest last night....Shakib wasn't barely actually tanking. he'd get aggro..kite around, turn around when he could self heal; take 1 or 2 huge hits..run away...repeat
Because honestly, no one can tank a 14 King's rest this week
You will get pasted..no matter what
uneven mason
Dadugan after tanking trash on fort teeming, I'm convinced that if we were given a tool to use vs magic that was more reliable than "Hope you got rage to spam IP"
weary notch
I don't think we need a whole lot more in M+ aside from a way to interrupt ranged mobs (gag order on heroic throw, 15 sec CD would be fine)
waxen cradle
True you cannot stay in range with Zul's bleed but you can build up and pool rage for it before you leap out to drop the big red circle of death
fringe marten
I've been doing 8, 9, 10's all week..they're not bad but KR specifically is much more brutal than most zones.
astral crystal
you're not supposed to face tank trash on fort weeks anyway
uneven mason
If like I said, we had a % of our armor vs magic/DoTs we'd be way better.
astral crystal
jump in with CDs, get aggro, peace out while your frost mage kites the packs
lavish oracle
But then I miss out on all my sweet sweet avatar DPS
uneven mason
Yeah
weary notch
or just be pally/monk/dk and not need a frost mage
fringe marten
Yes but I refuse to use some lame dragon roar spec, I didn't roll a tank to kite. Having affixes that breaks your class or force a completely different playstyle is not 'challenge' you're just altering what classes become 'good'
weary notch
no, they kite WAY better
uneven mason
BDK and Paladins have D&D and Conc which are all 50%
we have to use DR for a unreliable 50% snare
weary notch
every 45 sec
uneven mason
and giving up UF isn't an option
lavish oracle
Yeah, they really should buff the slow, it's almost unnoticeable now
weary notch
opposed to every 4-6 seconds
undone sun
blood's is 90%
sour wigeon
blood's also decays tho
weary notch
I thought blood was 90 decreasing
fringe marten
Yeah, you can't have Tyrannical or Fort ALWAYS be on keys every week..and then have key tools like SLows, and stuns...be vastly different between tanks.
waxen cradle
Honestly I do not see what made them change TC from a 50% slow to a 20% I would assume the interaction with UF but still I means that only during Avatars duration so who cares
uneven mason
Its laughable how little damage we take
fringe marten
I know it's why I hate fort weeks...I prefer tyran
weary notch
sadly, they haven't shown any intention yet of tank parity (or close to parity) in M+
uneven mason
throw 1 caster in and we're getting our faces melted off
fringe marten
But if the intended method for dealing with tough trash packs is "run away" then we need a snare as effective as other tanks. Intervening or jumping around isn't even CLOSE to as good as having the pack be way slower than you and perma kiting it.
astral crystal
you guys do underrot on fort/teeming yet? you can tell the dungeon team just kind of copy pasted absently when you hit the trash for the second boss
mild zinc
Underrot is joke this week...
fringe marten
KR this week is brutal. Much worse than anywhere else.
weary notch
I'm hesitant to do any teeming/fort M+. I wouldn't set foot in motherlode this week if you paid me
astral crystal
lol, underrot is pretty nasty
fringe marten
Motherlode isn't that bad
lavish oracle
Siege of Boralus is pretty easy this week
fringe marten
Depends on your route, and if you have dwarven racial.
lavish oracle
so is ToS
mild zinc
Motherlode isn't that bad imo. Kr and underrot are way worse
fringe marten
I'm Dark iron dwarf so I don't mind underrot at all.
waxen cradle
Underrot is nasty if you have to pug it and a dumbass dps goes HURR DURR I'll pull the ticks
blissful imp
Atal dazar and siege are your easiest keys to push this week
fringe marten
AD is always my bae
undone sun
atal is always going to be easy
fringe marten
not to mention..for the actual loot.
finally got a 365 eye of rezan
now if I can get a NON scrub shield....I'll be happy, for 3 seconds
astral crystal
the ticks arent even an issue anymore
their burst was significantly lowered and they're easy to kite
lavish oracle
Underrot seemed okay, but I only ran it on +6 this week. I didn't complete it on time but only because my PUG was god awful, haha.
waxen cradle
what is your shield @fringe marten
valid marsh
Prot warrior actually strong with the buffs?
fresh trail
buffs?
weary notch
no one knows
fringe marten
355 from atal, I farmed ataldazar 17 times first week to get it.
astral crystal
when i mentioned absently designing a room i meant when you walk into the awkward, aleatory pastiche of mobs pasted together in the second boss' room
lavish oracle
There haven't been any buffs yet
undone sun
please tell me what buffs because i haven't heard of any
waxen cradle
AH yeah that is right I forgot about that good call at @astral crystal
weary notch
355 shield isn't bad at all
valid marsh
there are some on the ptr
fringe marten
355 is trash
undone sun
link?
junior ivy
waht does it mean to gather herbs more effectively
fringe marten
you get more
inland mesa
Sold a few AD 10 carries last night :)
waxen cradle
I only have a 360 from Motherlode so do not feel too bad
fringe marten
I would complain about my 340 shoulder but....we're stuck with that unless we hit the lottery with the weekly box
waxen cradle
The chest at the end of Atal will not give up a 370 or higher so rawr
lavish oracle
It bugs me that there's no Deafening Crash gear in the raid
fringe marten
I run with shaman healer a lot, 2 of them....BOTH of them have gotten the shield from runs I was in at higher than mine, and could not trade it. The last..2 nights ago, was a 375. and he had a 370...from the same zone.
I wanted to be mad but..that's tank life.
Woulda' been 20 ilevels on my shield. If BFAs lovely loot rules were not in effect.
waxen cradle
I am not surprised there is no Deaf Crash trait from Uldir they wanted to kind of try out the raid traits I think and they took up a spot for really good traits like DC
granted the primary stat trait is not horrible it just takes time to build up
fringe marten
I honestly think DCs value wasn't even thought of fully by the devs. I don't think they realized with various traits how important that is to us.
undone sun
it's pretty much just a replacement of Thundergod's Vigor, which was also incredibly strong
lavish oracle
I kind of wish there were other traits with that sort of design in mind
I miss how impactful legendaries were
waxen cradle
^ Yep agreed I just love its interaction and it feels better than the Thundergods Vigor leggo
fringe marten
Yeah everyone remmeber leveling? remember when Demo shout was just like...permanently up LOL
it was literally available every like? fourth global during leveling...was so ridiculous
crimson sentinel
It is with the pvp talent aswell
waxen cradle
for leveling kills self
wise root
I've been playing prot since 09, with a few breaks
don't get me started on nostalgia lol
fringe marten
Remember before the last couple months of Legion...before they cut tanks Overworld PVP damage down by FIFTY percent. When you could do those pvp world quests and you were legit a god to anyone who challenged you.
lavish oracle
Yeeeah, world pvp as prot was amazing
waxen cradle
Same here man been playing since... you know what I am just not gonna think about how long I have played this game or prot because I will feel like I have no life... when I have several alts so I have many lives
wise root
145 days played on warrior haha
fringe marten
Like some dumb ass warlock would dot you and you would devour him in like 10 seconds.
wise root
remember when shield slam purged?
fringe marten
yarp
wise root
yup
fringe marten
But the straight panic on people when you'd land like a 1.3mil shield slam crit...or even more later on.
waxen cradle
Can I Haz bck PlOx
waxen cradle
I loved 1 tanking during SoO and multiple ridiculous SS crits in a row also
wise root
yesss
waxen cradle
Would be top dps and people would be like WTF
fringe marten
Now all we get is the occassional "WTF IS THAT THUNDERCLAP DAMAGE? why did you just do 35k dps????"
waxen cradle
Yep ^
fringe marten
That pack before the priestess boss in AtalDazar...mmmmm...
native comet
is it only me...or prot warrior nerfed to ground?
umbral patio
Question, how essential is it that you get a good shield?
steel mauve
its not
waxen cradle
Yeah I like that one also... can make dps feel bad about themselves
wise root
shields are pretty important right now
fringe marten
We have to play at a tight throughput to attempt to compete with other tanks currently, and in many situations we simply don't compete and they are just the better tank.
umbral patio
THis is what i thought, SB etc --- All my gear is 340++ except my shield at 315 π¦
waxen cradle
If you can get a 370 or 375 or oh god a 380 or so... I question which child you gave to the WoW gods for the sacrifice
fringe marten
To the degree that blizzard has given in to slightly buffing prot warrior in the very near future.
You guys know the dps nerf is coming right...? With the prot buff...c'mon...you know it's coming...and you know it's going to make skittish weeks suck super hard.
undone sun
what buff
languid sigil
Hey sorry to interrupt your conversation here, but is Laser Matrix worth it right now?
native comet
i have around 25% Haste and 12% Versa cant even tank a normal mytic...everything hits like trucks....playing with Recommended build from icy weins...still cant tank normals mytics dungeons?....in Legion we solo tanked +13 alone?
vivid sage
you are almost certainly making several mistakes if you are having a trouble with m0
languid sigil
Laser Matrix on a 355 piece rather than Brace for Impact on a 340 piece
vivid sage
what's your ilvl
native comet
344
vivid sage
yeah you should have no problem at that ilvl
steel mauve
sounds like player ability, not the class, normal mythics are easy af
native comet
i have an disc priest on 360+ still dieing as we are lvl 25 or something
late fox
Yeah you're doing something wrong. I haven't tanked since like wotlk and am able to tank +10's. It's rough sometimes but doable.
steel mauve
i was doing m0's at like 310 ilvl, 344 is more than enough, thats definitely on you man
ember arrow
Im doing m0 on 280 pally to gear up as we speak
steel mauve
unless you're basically not equipping a shield or using a like 110 ilvl shield
late fox
At M0 you should have no problem tanking it and more than likely will be top dps if you're running with dps that actually need 0's
native comet
right now...we are like 5 ppl that looking into my char and prot warrior....ppl in my guild want to kick me since i signed up as MT/OT for the guild
lavish oracle
I don't know what to tell you, at 344, you shouldn't be having any issues with M0
native comet
ignore pain u can use like every 30 mins?
late fox
I would recommend going over some of the guides pinned here and then spam run heroics just to get a better feel/ understanding of the spec
native comet
guys i was tank in Legion
steel mauve
that comment right there sounds like hes just trolling at this point
late fox
This isn't legion
native comet
with same char...but now is like Wet paper tank
late fox
Yeah must be
steel mauve
"ignore pain every 30 minutes" obvious troll at this point
native comet
naah
its feels like....
its never shows up...we need the millons block back to us
quiet kettle
ur complaining that coming from legion's always active mitigation, we are far more proactive now
i can handle +10 fairly well at 352 so
lavish oracle
Yeah, haven't been having issues with anything up to +10 in terms of damage taken
quiet kettle
unless its fuckin shadow of zul in KR
quiet kettle
SR's magic mitigation portion should really last longer tbh
3s of 20% is pretty shit
native comet
well no warrior tanking for me aleast...just got kicked from the guild....Sorry if i took some of your time...Thx for trying to help
undone sun
π€
quiet kettle
if ur having trouble with m0 at 344, ur doing sumthing wrong
native comet
Let me know when prot warrior are playble again...will probly unsub for now
quiet kettle
u cant spam our mitigation like in legion
lavish oracle
Still, though, any guild that would kick you that fast kinda sucks
quiet kettle
that too
worthy karma
That cant be real
lavish oracle
That's our impression too Barlar, haha
quiet kettle
being kicked in sub 10 minutes? i've seen it happen
my guild has kicked quite a few idiot recruits
worthy karma
Anybody that's running M 0 who is also supposed to be Guild main tank is not in a good enough Guild that they're going to kick someone for being bad they'll just make them casual
lavish oracle
I can't imagine any normal/heroic progression group doing that
undone sun
definitely not a guild you want to be in
quiet kettle
eh there's still reasons to run m0 barlar
steel mauve
m+'s dont drop azerite gear for starters
quiet kettle
one of our 360+ arms wars is still doing m0 underrot for the shoulders
native comet
Night guys...Sad day for me today...not able to raid or anything with my lovely warrior...i will follow here to see when prot warriors getting good again Take care everyone Good luck in the BFA shitdog Exp
vivid sage
i think like 10 people have conveyed to you that your failings to do m0 is a player input issue
quiet kettle
he just cant accept that prot when from faceroll my buttons cause my mit is always up, to planning when we need to use mits
outer dew
I mean
I get struggling at like 310
But even then, m0 weren't streneous to the point I'd complain
quiet kettle
the only time m0 is remotely tough for prot is high magic dmg situations like shadow of zul or multiple fights in shrine
vivid sage
he could just play monk or bdk at the same level he is now and do significantly better
quiet kettle
ehhh, if he cant comprehend when to use his mits, im not sure there's any hope for him
outer dew
I think it's easy to do average in everything if you have a baseline idea of how to play the idea
Do I wish I had a bit more rage generation, maybe. Initial pulls are occasionally dicey if you got burst heavy dps
But it's not the end of the world
native comet
allright what about...my friend 360 disc priest...what about if he (me prot warrior) dies betwiin the shield blocks?
outer dew
Why did he die?
elfin apex
native comet
mobs are hitting for i healing him around 12-25k depens
outer dew
If you faced a mechanic at him it's your fault.
native comet
its like he needs to use shield wall on every mob?
outer dew
Depends on how long the pack is with AM
And why not use his mitigation?
Ya pop it when your healer needs time to either catch you back up or the rest of the group
Your incentized to pop shield wall with AM
vivid sage
with AM your CDs come down very quickly
native comet
a pull loooks like this....i put a shield on him...he charge in...shield block he is trying to get up as soon as he can...thunder clap after....3 shiet he does is shield slam...what is wrong?
outer dew
Are you expecting him to survive with just a PWS?
Esp the BFA iteration of PWS
That thing tickles
native comet
under he do all this...ignore pain is never up? what
outer dew
Then it's his fault for choosing damage over mitigation
vivid sage
IP is supplemental
native comet
all he have is like shield block...never ignore pain?
undone sun
actually never, or just very infrequently
steel mauve
confusingly why did the roles switch?
lavish oracle
I dunno, I kinda feel like you get enough rage in M+ to use both IP and SB
vivid sage
you do
lavish oracle
SB is obviously priority in most fights
outer dew
I mean, I sometimes choose SB -> Revenge in order to make sure I secure aggro
vivid sage
yep
steel mauve
if you're the disc priest in this scenario you should probably go to the priest discord and ask them why you're letting the tank die
outer dew
I mean, the priest sounds like he believes a PWS will keep the tank alive
native comet
I will do an ticket about this warrior class...glad i never play it...so broken...i will Try to see if never surrender talent and Indomtable are better for us
outer dew
Keyword. A PWS
lavish oracle
Aight, clearly a troll, lol
undone sun
wat
native comet
Troll? how troll? im not trolling?
steel mauve
hes been trolling for awhile
the first signs were his comments about not being able to use IP for 30 minutes and wanting a million block again
native comet
Bolster dosnt do anything?....maybe do we need 5 healers in a 21 man grp....2 of those on him?
chilly brook
Whoβs trolling wut??
undone sun
bolster is by far the best talent in that row
vivid sage
he's now a disc priest
undone sun
it doesn't do anything if you don't use your abilities properly
native comet
iam his friends how disc heals him
outer dew
by pressing more than 2 buttons
chilly brook
Who does what now?
outer dew
lmao
vivid sage
look at the end of the day
chilly brook
Iβm confused
outer dew
The guy is trying to figure out how to heal a prot warrior when all he does is throw a PWS
vivid sage
the people in here regularly do significantly harder content than you're talking about with ease
native comet
what about me?....im just trying to see if there is any improvement? since he is always dieing?
vivid sage
so ultimately you'ree wrong
outer dew
Throw more than just PWS
vivid sage
stop talking about how you need to make a ticket about warriors
outer dew
PWS ain't keeping anyone alive atm
outer dew
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
steel mauve
he apparently got kicked from his guild for being a bad prot war even though now hes saying hes a disc priest
lavish oracle
I think the logic thread is that it's now his disc priest friend using his account, but I'm not buying it
chilly brook
Going from a proactive class that you werenβt good at to another proactive class π€
lavish oracle
either that or they're like...both just very bad at the game
steel mauve
well apparently hes the warriors friend, and hes been a disc priest this whole time, even though he specifically stated he was kicked from his guild for being a prot war and no more tanking for him π€
chilly brook
Lol
steel mauve
some thing doesnt add up
outer dew
i mean
chilly brook
Personally I find it difficult to understand what heβs trying to say
outer dew
the guy went, I PWS -> he uses mitigation -> he die
native comet
Griff thank u for understand the bad english
chilly brook
Iβm not always an ass π
sharp flame
Been following the chat for the last 10mins; my 2cent: If he's really following icy veins guide, should open something like this: charge-avatar-demo-SB-SS...by now there's plenty of rage to alternate TC-revenge and have enough to dump rage ino IP...can't just charge and expect to use SB or spam IP
chilly brook
Just sometimes
steel mauve
avatar > charge
outer dew
i mean
steel mauve
imo
outer dew
you can even avatar before charge
chilly brook
I Avatar before I charge
native comet
what about if we switch these talents....Into the fray to Punish and from Bolster to either Never surrender or indomitable??
outer dew
if you're afraid of the pull and burning a GCD
undone sun
no
chilly brook
Never swap off bolster
steel mauve
avatar is a waste of a gcd after a charge for a pull, suitable to change on bosses, ive done it both ways, but aoe trash i always avatar before pull
lavish oracle
Yeah, I avatar before charge too
undone sun
read a guide
sharp flame
Yrh, I personally avatar b4
native comet
avatar charge. allrigt
undone sun
Bolster is the default choice, Never surrender and indom are complete trash
chilly brook
You can try punish but itf on average is better
lavish oracle
ITF is like 1000x times better for dungeon content, imo
sturdy inlet
Isnt Indom like 10% extra hp ;p aka nothing ;p
sturdy inlet
Gotta love those warrior talents π
native comet
HP goes from 171k to 153 without Indomitable.
undone sun
ok
chilly brook
Thatβs fine
steel mauve
not gonna solve any thing when our mitigation is beast
undone sun
HP isn't the determining factor for tanks
chilly brook
Raw HP doesnβt mean anything if he isnβt mitigating
sturdy inlet
Idd Effective hp is a lot higher on a warrior
chilly brook
We could have a tank with 50k hp if their mitigation worked in their favor
dark junco
^
sturdy inlet
Because you have more damage reduction compared to other tanks
lapis pasture
Raw Hp being added would still be lit af though π«
native comet
so never surrender then
chilly brook
Itβd be nice for stuff like Zul
undone sun
no
sturdy inlet
Bolster
undone sun
holy shit
dark junco
No
sturdy inlet
Is the best
chilly brook
Bolster period
dark junco
Bolster
sturdy inlet
To fill the gaps
native comet
we have beein with that since day one on BFA...still cant tank standard mytics
dark junco
You use last stand (with bolster tLented) to fill the gaps between shield block
undone sun
sounds like a player issue then
dark junco
Then youβre doing something wrong
undone sun
obviously they aren't using their abilities correctly
chilly brook
Then someone is doing something wrong
dark junco
^
lapis pasture
This guy is trolling the absolute fuck out of all of you lmao
vivid sage
you can still understand the context of what he's saying
dark junco
^
native comet
thank you kral tumps up for you and griff u guys understand
steel mauve
"always take this other talent, never switch off of it and NEVER take talent X"
dark junco
Not excluding that. But to help weβd need logs @native comet
steel mauve
"so take talent X then"
dark junco
Is trying to change things cause its not working for him with bolster
lapis pasture
Everyone keeps saying bolster is the best and why its the best and he responds with "so never surrender"
dark junco
But the issue isnβt bolster
lapis pasture
Tell me that isn't troll af
chilly brook
I mean this is lightweight flexing buuuuttttttr
Watch the clip pay attention to the weakauras
dark junco
^
native comet
Yes logs will come to atleast griff and kral u are very help full check your PMs tomorrow i will send logs
chilly brook
K
undone sun
π€
dark junco
K
steel mauve
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
chilly brook
See the last stand timer at the top? Thatβs full 100% block for the full duration
Also notice how Iβm not using SB during?
dark junco
And since we can still critblock atm (dont panicmode yet) its pretty good
analog pendant
Are there really 2 Zul' in King's Rest this week?
vivid sage
no
lapis pasture
Are you trying to give people nightmares?
dark junco
Dude what?
analog pendant
thought so. Thank god π
vivid sage
that said "i was really surprised to see 2 zul's at the end of KR"
that was super upvoted in some threeeead
lusty grotto
sigh reddit
chilly brook
KR teeming there were like 2 extra mobs in the whole dungeon lol
undone sun
nothing good comes out of /r/wow
lusty grotto
nothing good comes out of hive minds
chilly brook
Like legit
analog pendant
That WoD Loadscreen thing makes it worth it
lusty grotto
echo chambers are terrible :p
rustic cypress
Hey now, there's some solid memes there every now and then
lavish oracle
nothing good comes out of reddit
FTFY
lusty grotto
honest to god i only go on reddit to see what i missed in the entire day
shrewd knoll
Heads up that bolstering sometimes will not block melee as intended
vivid sage
@chilly brook i liked it whene they fixeed the tuning
chilly brook
Uhhmmm
Bolster blocks all hits for me π€
@vivid sage agreed
Too bad they never retuned the place we will never speak of
vivid sage
temple?
lavish oracle
I think they mean Seat π
chilly brook
^
vivid sage
(i know)
solid mist
reading that backscroll.... in addition to ya'll need a "post some logs" emoji
sick sentinel
dry reef
just curious what trinkets everyone is running?
vagrant cape
350 vers PvP trinket and 345 rezan
dry reef
is Blockades a viable trinket compared to a 345 Rezan
round vortex
blockades arguably BIS right now except epic TF
lavish oracle
Also Blockades and Jes Howler normally, but I'm giving Lingering Sporepods a try because I had a 395 socketed version drop earlier
fair crystal
Running 355s of Jes Howler and Rezans myself
lone folio
should I use punish on Mythrax or G`huun?
Since I get only 1-2 stacks of into the fray
steel mauve
to be honest blockades and howler are probably better than that spore, unless you would literally want it for the str
2-3 itf still beats out punish
sick sentinel
never ever a reason to use punish ever, long as haste has no DR. ITF is king.
blockades and howler remain best for survivability.
steel mauve
punish can win out, but the situation ahs to be very strict, and its suually with 1 itf almost the entire fight
lone folio
understood
sick sentinel
howler esp TFing, give you the passive DR needed for magic damage (all damage too, and buffs IP, and buffs your groups damage).
lavish oracle
I dunno, the spores come out to roughly 600 hps in single target fights which isn't terrible
and I mostly plan on using it for M+ so the PPM would probably be a lot higher
steel mauve
the effect on spores is universally garbage, no matter the content, the only saving grace is the high ilvl on it and the str mains tat
lavish oracle
Garbage how?
steel mauve
both heal and dmg is bad on it
literally the only thing that would even contest it is the TF you got for it, blockades i still think is better defensively even though its at 255 ilvl, spore would be better offensiively solely because of the str on it
and i even think the vers on jes howler would be better defensively
sick sentinel
it is garbage. wtf cares about miniscule heals lol
jes howlers way and above better. rezan's eye too.
lavish oracle
So explain to me how they both effect EHP?
Because Blockades is a faaaar worse heal and a flat stamina buff
A blockades 8 translates to 6k health but I'm not sure how that translates to EHP
sick sentinel
If you're so desperate for heals, you'll get more out of azerite armor pieces with azerite veins, impassive visage, etc. But not at the loss of DC, and IF/BFI/Archive of the titans, w/e available. Protecetion Warrior kit is designed around preventing the damage before it hits, and you're better off magnifying that kits strengths as a result. Hence,
spark mortar
Zul mini boss in King's Rest sucks on Fortified +8 for Prot Warrior. π¦
sick sentinel
Spore trinket is miniscule at the end of the day. Even TF and in mythic+.
vers on jes howler just better defensively and offensively vs spore (obviously better offensive trinkets out there) in prot warr's case.
spark mortar
How are folks surviving that shit?
lavish oracle
That doesn't really answer my question, but alright
steel mauve
basically pretty much all the healing/absorb trinkets are fairly undertuned, even after the tuning passes blizz did recently, but more so, we as warriors should use trinkets to help mitigate damage and increase our EHP, the healing on spore doesnt really do that, where as blockades even if the stam is small still adds hp to our hp pool, which does more than a very small minor heal, and as stated, howler gives vers, which reduces dmg, which does a fuck ton more for us and our toolkit than a very small healing trinket does
granted if survival isnt an issue, we can also opt for dps trinkets, quicker boss dies less dmg we take as well
sick sentinel
reduces damage, boosts yours, also buffs your IP absorb cap.
dusty solstice
great answers btw π€
proud harbor
do bubbles make us gain less rage?
lavish oracle
Okay, the absorb cap does strike me as significant. I was just trying to figure out how an average stamina boost of ~250 was mathematically better than ~45k healing over a minute, a larger ignore pain pool does make sense
steel mauve
technically too if that tf spore does 600hps, then its far above blockades hps either
pallid axle
anyone saw the ptr 8.1 changes for prot? they r awesome
lavish oracle
Is there new news about them or still just the WoWhead datamines?
steel mauve
no news
undone sun
All I've seen is the remove to mastery
dusty solstice
what is awesome on the ptr ?
pallid axle
nothing it is a shitshow obviously
dusty solstice
oh you were being sarcastic lol
steel mauve
ptr is ptr, notes arent even released, nothing has been made official, nothing to see here
sick sentinel
yeah.
tiny sphinx
I can't wait to see how blizzard arrives at the wrong conclusions to changes
pallid axle
I'm just waiting for it to get official "Protwarrior Specc was Removed/ Changed into Gladiator. Warriors are not supposed to tank anymore"
lavish oracle
No use being outraged or excited yet, we literally know nothing aside from "they might be changing mastery"
dusty solstice
i might bein the minority here
but give me highmaul gladiator and thats cool with me
pallid axle
true that gladiator stance was fun.
dusty solstice
(0% chance of that btw)
tiny sphinx
gib revenge stun proc back on separate dr from shockwave of course, oh and make shockwave do actual damage like it used to
pallid axle
Legion Warrior with same rage generation same 40% Life IP Cap and IP on GC and yeah IP nerfed to like 50% pls
digital arrow
do u guys remember concussion blow
always bought me a couple of precious seconds when i'd lose aggro
sick sentinel
so does storm bolt. and shorter cd.
and yeah I was a fan of highmaul gladiator too @dusty solstice
sharp flame
@proud harbor you mean priest PWS? Coz we don't gain rage from taking damage anymore. So it doesn't matter if they put it on b4 pull or after
proud harbor
oh didnmt kno that. thank you
fringe marten
We don't gain rage based on the size of the hits any more, but we DO gain rage when getting struck, per strike.
Which is why when you do a M+ pull you can keep Tclapping and revenging with infinite rage
The Tclap alone doesn't gain enough rage to keep revenging without the free parry procs.
Am I the only person that wants to play one of the new snake people..?
woeful reef
For those interested DK tank with Jdotb on twitch going for a successful +17 atal right now
nova rover
Hey guys, Mother heroic, going into the second room first how do you handle the wind tunnel?
undone sun
run against it? you have leap and charges
broken kite
just hope your dps have brains and dont stand infront of boss
nova rover
When you switch room to the bloods
first tank through
seems like we get pushed right when we need to stun bloods
static pilot
sounds like a timing issue?
DBM will alert you when the wind tunnel is coming, try to time your entry so that it doesnt overlap
nova rover
You guys think starting at 30% to transition over is good? Just struggled, watched some videos and there is a discrepency on if 2 or 3 going through first
broken kite
3
round vortex
There is a much much more efficient strat for mother if you want it? Requires disc priest and resto shaman tho.
We just bloodlust and belt the shit out of here until 95 energy. Put a bubble plus SLT, rally and all classes use their defensive/immunity and go through at once. Immediately pop HS on other side and other healing CDβs (tranq revival etc...). Nuke adds and then sheβll be at like 25-35%. Just finish her in that chamber.
Just need to make sure the bubble and SLT go across the interface between the rooms.
No group set up or micro management either so helps a shit ton. You might lose a small handful on the way through but itβs overall a lot quicker haha
nova rover
o.o
static pilot
that sounds simultaneously incredibly fun and a recipe for a disaster
sick sentinel
could probably include rallying cries with it too.
frosty elm
Is there a way to macro devastate and heroic throw together so it shows heroic throw when in range, and devastate in range?
steel mauve
we wait till the first winds to move to the second room on mother heroic
after the winds*
then its free for the first 2 adds
round vortex
I did say rally in the post @sick sentinel lol
round vortex
No stress bro haha
And I can recommend x10 for everyone if you donβt do the all in strat - lust at the beginning and donβt start transitioning your groups till about 50-60 energy.
You have WAY more time than you realise.
Donβt keep lust for the last room. Thatβs hands down far worse than using it at the start.
static lance
While tanking a +7 last night, I made a bad pull and was dropping to low health and spamming IP to give my healer some breathing room. At that point, in the back of my mind, I was thinking: If I was on my paladin, I could cast HotP and heal myself for about 30% HP because of the scaling (heal more based on missing health). IP has no such scaling, which I suppose is balanced out by its lack of CD, but its Rage cost acts as a CD of sorts.
Only today did I remember that sad talent called Never Surrender and holy shit that talent needs to be baseline.
solid mist
between shimmering haven and earthlink. what ya'll prefer?
frosty elm
Is that a no?
static lance
Earthlink
solid mist
the warrior motto
frosty elm
#showtooltip
/cast Devastate
/cast Heroic Throw
and viceversa just casts the first one, and cast sequence is no good because it has to be able to cast the next spell to be able to advance
green isle
broken kite
10 kings rest is fun this week
lavish oracle
Actually fun or sarcastically fun?
candid cove
im sure a fortified zul is fun. along with the tight spaces and extra mobs
frosty elm
Damn
jovial dagger
@frosty elm look into gnomesequencer, might be possible
chilly brook
KR isnβt half bad this week tbh since itβs fort teeming
Iβd rather deal with KR than AD
Thereβs only like 2 extra mobs in KR
twin vector
Anyone having luck in PvP. I feel pretty weak. Mobility and stuns have been decent, though.
unborn karma
how do parses work with protection/tank specs in wow?
havent really checked tanking parses until recently
unborn karma
taken or given?
amber siren
More damage you do
undone sun
it's just the normal dps parses
unborn karma
seems dumb
amber siren
if you're killing the boss and doing higher dps that's good
vocal nimbus
to check wether a tank plays good or not you look at other things
like mitigated damage, cds used and etc
unborn karma
i would of thought they checked uptime etc.
vocal nimbus
theres no way a bot can check those things with accuracy
unborn karma
i parsed 66% in my ilevel, (360) when I have a dam 260 sword and shield... how shit are prot warriors lol
vocal nimbus
π€·
unborn karma
hence, why are prot warriors so shit
vocal nimbus
people try to play full turtle when progressing too
amber siren
ok
vocal nimbus
low percentile doesnt mean shit player
unborn karma
i know that
vocal nimbus
if you go full defensive you will rank around 70-80 if you play reasonably well
unborn karma
cool, im a shit prot warrior
vocal nimbus
if you are in progress and dont die thats good enough π€·
unborn karma
i suppose, for some dumb reason find it harder to manage IP and SB than i do brews on my monk
its a fun gameplay
and its exciting, but i suck at it
and some stuff needs changing
vocal nimbus
theres no dumb reason
you have 100% uptime with ibs without doing anything
takes more thinking to make a proper use of shield block
unborn karma
yeah, is there any weakaura or addon that will help me with this for encounters? specifally for warriors? Saying something like... this can actually be blocked with shield reflect... incoming dmg in 'x' time or do you just have to know the fights?
vocal nimbus
theres a list of blockable/reflectable spells pinned
unborn karma
im not going to remember those in the encounter
vocal nimbus
look at that and use dbm/bigwigs to watch the timers
quiet kettle
basically prot war went from a mix of proactive/reactive to full proactive
unborn karma
which is better? I've always used dbm, but what is bigwigs like?
vocal nimbus
bigwigs is less intrusive
vocal nimbus
dbm has been dropped recently tho
quiet kettle
no it hasnt
vocal nimbus
doesnt its author has some serious health issues?
unborn karma
yh
undone sun
he's stepping back, yeah
quiet kettle
and he got couple thousand in donations last week from patreon subs
vocal nimbus
oh well
quiet kettle
only really downtime for him is the surgery
vocal nimbus
then ye, personal preference
unborn karma
ok sweet
and how are prot warriors atm? In general, anyone pushing mythic?
raids, not m+
quiet kettle
there's very very few in mythic raids / m10+
warr isnt in a terrible spot, but its not great either
quiet kettle
ip just doesnt block enough, costs too much vs revenge. SB costs too much as well, too much downtime as well
its mostly that our rage costs just dont provide the stability they should be at their cost
unborn karma
so lower them or up our rage generation?
quiet kettle
there's also quite a few useless talents for us
or should be made baseline, like never surrender
quiet kettle
can add Best Served Cold and Indomitable there too
unborn karma
how were we compared to in legion?
quiet kettle
ive done a couple 10s and tbh, i feel pretty squishy
end of legion we were still really strong
we also had nearly 100% uptime on mitigation
bfa warr is closer to 60-70% uptime
unborn karma
and why was this change done? or was it a all tanks thing?
quiet kettle
which isnt good compared to things like monk,dh,dk who can start at full mit and keep it going
no1 knows why blizz decided to nerf prot so much as we werent even the top tanks in antorus
undone sun
all tanks were severely nerfed going into bfa but some got hit harder
quiet kettle
right now, the 2 that need help the most are guardians and prot wars
guardians are still good raid tanks, but they do not do well in m+
unborn karma
werent beears top tier?
quiet kettle
bears are more or less equal in a raid scenario, but in m+ their basically with us at bottom
quiet kettle
nah were not bottom in raid
unborn karma
bottom half though
sick sentinel
Oh, we discussing how Prot Warrior suck and how they dont suck again?
sick sentinel
Or is it the same conversation from 24 hours ago?
quiet kettle
i actually dont find prot hard to play, just there at times u can feel squishy
like mfing shadow of zul in KR
fuck that mob
hexed lion
Theyve said we're getting looked at, lets just hope for the best
hexed lion
i just hope they dont overbuff us
quiet kettle
im honestly a bit concerned for 8.1 atm, since our mastery is apparently getting changed
unborn karma
overbuff us, then nerf us to the right place.. just dont over nerf us lol
sick sentinel
Auura, dont mind 8.1 notes atm
hexed lion
our mastery needs a change imo
sick sentinel
Since I saw the new Taunt I will only look at them 1 week before the new patch hits
quiet kettle
i can concur with what thyme has pinned in that the taunt thing is just a tooltip update
sick sentinel
Its so ridiculous that it wont make it, hence why I'll only look at the notes right before 8.1 comes out
quiet kettle
i've taunted things this week, attacked them, and watch them switch targets after 3s
also teeming is completely fucked atm
hexed lion
Saw something on reddit about an overnight stealth nerf of teeming?