if i picked up bear i would fall asleep
#protection
raven kernel
sick sentinel
LOL
raven kernel
kudaku
sick sentinel
Want us to be meta?
static pilot
Look at the list here
raven kernel
leaderboards and prog comps
only define the "TOP" / "BEST"
are any of us saying that warr is the best?
sick sentinel
Look at them. And then discard all the classes and specs that arent there
static pilot
Do toy honestly think the main problem with Prot warrior is that people don't know how to play it?
sick sentinel
gg, you get 10 specs total
sick sentinel
If you are aiming for MDI, then discard Prot Warrior, yes
static pilot
Half the mods in Skyhold don't main Prot atm
sick sentinel
If not, who cares?
icy trench
how
sick sentinel
Rogue needs buffs
sturdy inlet
You are correct Rei ;p
static pilot
Strawman again Rei
misty owl
wich weapon enchant is best for prot atm?
raven kernel
#1 and #2 prog in the world
sick sentinel
Its the same argument, Kudaku
static pilot
Quick nav
raven kernel
didnt use rogues on ghuun kudaku
sturdy inlet
Quick Navigation
raven kernel
u like to see prog comps right/
misty owl
ty
raven kernel
im using your logic here
static pilot
It's not - one argument looks at one fight in isolation
sick sentinel
And the only viable tank atm is Brew, btw
sturdy inlet
I am progging myself all the time]
raven kernel
oh yeah
static pilot
The other takes in the wider picture
sturdy inlet
why use a disability called prot warrior
tribal valley
XD
sick sentinel
Here you go again saying prot warriors are useless. I don't feel useless in my guild's raids and we're not experiencing any issues running a warrior tank.
sturdy inlet
atleast they are viable in M+
static pilot
Not much point in continuing this conversation, enjoy the circle guys :)
sturdy inlet
idd
sick sentinel
I think 5 Brew team for MDI is the only viable comp
tribal valley
protwar is not useless, far from it,ù its good but not enough compared to other classes i think
sick sentinel
So back to my earlier statement that if your guild is feeling an issue with a warrior tank its either because you're in a top 20 guild, or you're using your warrior wrong, and you need to spend less time complaining and more time researching and learning. Thats not an insult just a fact.
raven kernel
people like me defending protwar have never claimed it to be the best or without problems
but it sureeeeee as hell isnt as bad as people make it out to be
sick sentinel
We all would like to see prot warrior better, but its factually wrong and pointless to say that we're useless. that wont' get us more buffs or fix our issudes.
static pilot
Tallstar, for what it's worth if you had phrased it like that the first time u wouldn't have an issue
tribal valley
@sick sentinel you're probably right, where can one read about how to improve? is there an updated site that talks prot wars?
raven kernel
sadly not really
static pilot
But it bugs me how easily people gang up on newbies in this disc when they enter and are frustrated
tribal valley
ç_ç
static pilot
That's true, most of them have rerolled
static pilot
Sense is still going strong you can check out his streams
sick sentinel
@static pilot Allow me to copy paste what I initially said that you guys aparantly lost it over: 12:12 PM] Tallstar: If you think you have to reroll from warrior tank to another tank class for Mythic then you're either in a top 20 raiding guild or you're playing your warrior wrong :)
[12:13 PM] Tallstar: We don't have a Niche, and we're only 95% of what other tanks are, but we ain't that underpowered we can't tank in mythic
tribal valley
they're not easy either tho
raven kernel
@static pilot because those people usually come in here fully convinced prot is shit and they only want to be sympathized with
near shard
I actually adore prot warrior, looking at other tanks it looks like garbadge but I just enjoy it too much to reroll, sure I get mad sometimes and say "screw this im rerolling" but i just cant
static pilot
Tallstar, the comment that got my back up was this one:
so you want to be able to tank anything at any skill level as any tank?
near shard
I am however pretty new to tanking as warrior, and want to learn how to do reall well in +'s
static pilot
It escalated quickly from there
sturdy inlet
I prefer prot warrior gameplay wise yes (with devestator please ;p)
static pilot
So I stepped in and asked people to relax a little bit and keep it friendly
tribal valley
i came here because i dont feel very good at tanking atm and want to understand how to get better (if, im doing something wrong)
static pilot
Which made everyone defensive
sick sentinel
That was not my comment though Kudaku.
near shard
Exactly the same @tribal valley
sturdy inlet
Use your mobility 😃
raven kernel
i've been civil but not polite
static pilot
Then it's very possible that I misattributed a quite to you
sturdy inlet
See when you need to kite
tribal valley
@sturdy inlet u mean kiting stuff around?
raven kernel
i haven't called anyone a fucking noob /retard but i sure as hell aint gonna care about their ego
sick sentinel
Big tip valorth. Go explore Unstopable force + Bolster + Booming Voice + Anger Manamgent. Even on single target. It gives you just adequate rage that you're never standing without any defensives.
tribal valley
i dont have rage issues actually
static pilot
What I saw was the usual negativity and poorly veiled insults aimed at a frustrated player, which typically leads to A arguments and/or B a player that much more comitted to not playing warrior
sick sentinel
Which in my opinion makes you almost as smooth as the brewmaster, and the end result a tank with less overall healing needed.
tribal valley
i feel good about the rage quantity
raven kernel
@static pilot i didn't veil anything, when i said people weren't good enough i meant for them to know it
😃
tribal valley
its just that im tanking along a bdk and a protpala and im taking a shitload more dmg then them
static pilot
Still not taking to you Rei
sturdy inlet
They do take more damage Valoroth
raven kernel
pretty sure i've been the most "aggressive" of anyone here today
sturdy inlet
Thats why they can selfheal
raven kernel
so if u arent talking to me idk who
sturdy inlet
I am pushing over 40k+ hps in m10+
raven kernel
tallstar has been far nicer than i have
static pilot
For the record Tallstar, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth and I'm sorry if I misrepresented you
This chat moves pretty fast and I'm participating by phone, which occasionally leads to some rather entertaining typos ^^
sick sentinel
Thats some gentlemanship right there. @static pilot.
static pilot
The way I see it politeness costs little but can earn you a great deal :)
sturdy inlet
But everyone would like some prot love here i guess 😃 Have a nice day people!
You are true in that @static pilot
static pilot
The wow community can be toxic but each and every one of us chooses to engage in it or not
sick sentinel
Valoroth, if you're taking more dmg than a BDK you need to work on reducing windows without mitigation. its those windows that make you skyrocket in dmg taken. Your shieldblock is stronger than any of their mitigation. Just ain't up as often.
static pilot
Personally I find the game a lot more enjoyable if I do not ^^
tribal valley
how do i understand how to use it more efficiently? should i pop it under boss' spells?
sturdy inlet
@tribal valley And Haste helps a lot with it 😃
sick sentinel
a good rule is: There has to be allways one of the following things up when you're not having SB active: Last stand, Shield Wall, or Demoshout with Avatar and TC spam into Ignore Pain.
sturdy inlet
Dont overlap Last Stand with your shield blocks!
tribal valley
Demoshout/Avatar is for dmg increase tho, right?
static pilot
With the right talent setup it does both mitigation (reducing damage taken), rage gen and damage increase
sick sentinel
if you can't have shieldblock, up atleast have 20 % with demo shout.
tribal valley
i see, well, i use it on CD tho, should i only use it under some particular circumstances?
sturdy inlet
You should get one piece of azerite gear that extends demoshout
on Thunderclaps it is
sick sentinel
See thats the hard part about rot warrior Valoroth, we want Demo shout used as much as option, but we also don't want to stand without any mitigation active EVER. so if you see Demo shout about to be ready, and you have 5 seconds left on shield block, then dont pop Demoshout, wait till SB runs out, then que the Demo shout.
and let SB charges regain for the 12-14 seconds you're keepign Demo shout up on the boss.
static pilot
^ this is where a lot of Prot warriors fuck up
sick sentinel
If you're reading this and asking, how does Demo shout last 12-14 seconds when it says 8 seconds, then its because you need to read up about Unstoppable force + Deafening Crash Azurite Trait.
static pilot
They pop multiple CDs at the same time, feel great, then 15 sec down the line they have nothing available and get chunked
static pilot
Me too ^^
sturdy inlet
It works that way for every tank btw 😃 Always chain defensives
Dont pop them all at the same time
sick sentinel
I pop them all at the same time, that way I never die
sick sentinel
I think Rai put earlier that a really good opener will always look like Avatar+Demoshout & SB->SB->SB-Last Stand (let SB recharge during last stand) when Last stand runs out. Que SB's again untill out of charges, then que Avatar with demoshout only (add in a healer external: IRON BARK is GREAT cause its a small cd) after that its SB time again and you'll either have last stand ready to start all over, or have to use Shieldwall. (depends abit on your rage management during the Avatar +demo shouts)
go big or go home, with me... If in 8 seconds boss isnt dead, its on the DPSers
static pilot
Your girlfriend must be thrilled Sagif ^^
sick sentinel
And before you know it Valorth, you've sat there in your own little world and que'd mitigation for 4 minutes and never run out of something to press, and your healers will be asking "why is the warrior taking less dmg than the monk" :)
👀
You know what they say, better fast and furious, than slow and miserable
static pilot
When it comes to sex I like to aim for something a bit higher than either of those
But fair enough, you do you fam 
sick sentinel
Now what I just wrote is easy in text, but sure as hell harder on fights. :) cause there you don't get to just stand still and plan 15 seconds ahead. :)
tribal valley
@sick sentinel i see i see, feels good to know that its possible to improve! i will probably forget half the things you said tho XD anywhere i can read about the stuff you said? website or something?
sick sentinel
Wow crazy, use your mtigation abilities and you take less damage?
Awesome im gonna try that instead of crying on the forums
Thanks guys
static pilot
Real warriors do both ;)
tribal valley
i've been using them Kagan, in the wrong way but i'm using them
sick sentinel
Well if you go to the "guides-ressources-f" here you'll see some links Valoroth. They atleast give you ideas of how to get started on considering these things. but else it just takes practice and practice :)
tribal valley
right then 😃 ty alot
sick sentinel
and Valorth this here is one of the reasons why protection warriors have a higher skillfloor than for instance monks or DKs. you simply can't make the same errors or wrong choices on a Monk as on a Warrior. But luckily, the class gets alot more competitive when you start using these tools correctly. its just sad it takes more to get to point where you can compete with a monk than creating the character.
near shard
On "bigger" trash pulls, how often do you guys IP?
sick sentinel
Monks don't need to think or plan as much, and this is why, if you're going top world, playing the monk is just better cause it leaves more room for other considerations and to adjust to mechanics pushing you out of this "hitting a dummy style"
@near shard, on big trash pulls your rotations is TC, Revenge, TC, Shieldslam, TC, IP, TC, SS if it reset, else revenge if it procced so its a free revence, else Devastatior, TC, with this TC the combo starts over.
When Demo shout runs out, LAst stand gets qued, or else you start running from the mobs.
static pilot
@sick sentinel nice job, I learned a few things now too :)
near shard
Hm I see, not a lot of IP in that rotation then
static pilot
Feel free to replace revenge with IP if the pool gets stripped off too fast
sick sentinel
a good wayn to check if you're doing your rotation on a trash pull correcttly is ask yourself these things: 1. Did i do more dmg than any of the dps'ers (except dks and DH's). 2. Did I have shieldblock or Laststand active at all times, 3. Did i hit 100 rage and do a shield/tc?
the only Revent that is important is the first one after the first TC
that is to put deepwounds on all targets so you don't lose aggro.
after that, you only ever spend rage on a revenge to refresh Deepwounds but the packs shouldn't live this long.
if you keep that rule in mind, then it sorta gives it self when you use IP, its basicaly whenever both TC and SS is on CD and you're not having a full IP up already.
static pilot
Note that you'll likely want to cast avatar just before charging in - you don't want to delay your main rotation or else mobs will run off immediately
onyx vessel
Yup or dps WILL rip
sick sentinel
This is right. Avatar is cast before you charge, Demo shout is cast while you group the mobs up. and now your rotation starts.
static pilot
Ie cast avatar outside of combat. It feels bad to waste uptime but it's better than the alternative
near shard
I see, seems like I was putting to much effort in keeping IP up then..
onyx vessel
Tclap 1st to get threat demo tclap ss tclap
sick sentinel
if the pack is big, you can't keep IP up all the time.
onyx vessel
Then ip
static pilot
Won't that SS cap you? 20 rage from charge, 20 from avatar, 40 from DS, 10 from tclap
sick sentinel
na causse you're throwing 60 rage into SB while doing it.
static pilot
Ah ofc
That's my cue to call it a night
I know I'm not thinking straight when I forget SB
Good night guys, enjoy your weekend :)
onyx vessel
Ip is rage dump
sick sentinel
haha As long as you don't do it when you actualy pull :P
then your healer gets sad.
and will tell you that you're "harder to heal than a shadowriest" as I see someone writing on MMO-champion
static pilot
No such problem with my bone shield ^^
It pretty much takes care of itself and you wouldn't believe the uptime %
sick sentinel
This is true,. This is one of the reasons why I think its fair to say that at this current moment, DK is easier to to a good standard than Warrior.
to play to*
static pilot
I think even if Prot and dk were equal, reactive tanking is easier to play than proactive tanking
sick sentinel
which is why you'll see pug groups rather wanting a dk or a monk. (just less statistical chance they get a bad tank)
static pilot
Idd
The fact that I mostly don't care about what kind of damage I'm taking and that I can bounce back up from a misstep doesn't hurt either
Granted you can't play dk that casually at a progression level but it works at easier content
open bluff
On "bigger" trash pulls, how often do you guys IP?```
seriously? nobody's going to say they go before the dungeon starts so they don't have to worry about it on big trash pulls? @open bluff They go what before the dungeon starts?
near shard
Yeah I'm not entirely sure what he means
sick sentinel
Anyways Im off the discord to get something done on my mighty warrior. Hope you got your questions answered Kenneth
near shard
I did tyvm have fun
open bluff
sorry, not entirely awake yet; was going for a pee joke
undone sun
🤦
sick sentinel
haha aight. okay :P ye now it makes a bit more sense.
ember arrow
noble solar
vocal nimbus
Bad
undone sun
the effect is pretty low
damage splits and healing proc is unreliable and doesn't actually heal that much
blissful imp
so I slept on that and Wowhead still has 8.1 removing Crit Block. That's just a data mining error, right? riiiiight?
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
raven kernel
it probably caught prot changes mid-iteration
mastery is "removed" on ptr as well with no repalcement
so seems like the devs are thinking of changing our mastery
which will remove crit blocks
blissful imp
memba when they removed Ignore Pain and promised to replace it with something better?
and then they just gave us ignore pain back but made it hella worse?
I memba
raven kernel
so IF they are removing crit blocks, thereby increasing our average dmg taken, they will theoratically have more leeway to balance us elsewhere and make us have more mitigation baseline
bringing up the floor
undone sun
Removed IP, Gave it back and then replaced it again with the current iteration
👌
which is worst than the first revision
open bluff
to be fair, with block rating on shields increasing block strength, it's theoretically possible to eventually have ~100% mitigation from crit blocks if blizz fucks up K values as bad as they've fucked a lot of other things this expac
amber siren
that sounds awful unless it's some obscene scaling amount
blissful imp
The logical thing to assume, if the removal of crit block is true, is that they want to make our damage intake more consistent and could still make us take overall less damage
raven kernel
eh that wont happen cos K value is easily hotfixable
raven kernel
thats what i was getting at jim
open bluff
true, but alter the K value because of one tank and you risk throwing others out of whack
i doubt they planned ahead enough to have a separate K value for each type of mitigation
blissful imp
Well I like Crit Blocking. I can see the argument for Devs not liking it, but I fucking like it
raven kernel
we should be mainly concerned about the Design Intent
blissful imp
imagine them removing Critical Strike from the game or a spec because they want to make their damage more consistent
open bluff
all depends on how K values are implemented, if it's a per-tank basis that's nbd and easily fixed, if it's a per-boss/instance basis, that causes all sorts of potential nightmares
well, the thing is we don't know what the design intent is yet
and according to blizzard, they don't either
open bluff
they just know prot's getting some love
blissful imp
Blizzard has had no idea what to do with Prot for well over a year
blissful imp
and Lore's posts last night made it abundantly clear they still have no fucking clue what they want to do
raven kernel
and all we can do is wait and pray tbh
raven kernel
BY THE LIGHT
blissful imp
lol
undone sun
\o/
open bluff
i don't pray, i charge in and shield slam
raven kernel
i mean
open bluff
...and then die because i forgot to ignore pain and used revenge instead
raven kernel
#protection is a paladin spec too
kappa
well u know what they say about vengeance
its a downward spiral of destruction
open bluff
that's more of a cliff than a spiral
raven kernel
something something dh something warlock
open bluff
i'm just hoping blizzard doesn't go and fuck prot up, because if my healers were any better i'd be maining my warrior right now instead of my dk
amber siren
eh i mean, it's possible to make it worse but i don't think it's likely
broken kite
yeah i wouldn't be surprised lol
ember arrow
the general negativity and passive aggressiveness of this channel is entertaining
amber siren
levko fight me you fucking nerd
undone sun
1v1 me in irl
sudden tapir
You gotta remember, we're just min maxing neckbeards
prisma night
1 sec, gotta wait for cds
ember arrow
i will borrow that tyvm
amber siren
exploiting 👀
sudden tapir
That's gold lol
blissful imp
Yo, so they made it so that Alchemists have to drink their "own" flasks to get the 2 hour buff, right?
undone sun
no
blissful imp
what about couldrons? I haven't used a cauldron yet, will I get a 2 hour flask from another alchemists cauldron?
no?
you gotta be a certain skill level or something for 2 hour buff?
undone sun
unless that's been changed within the past couple days, any flask you drink is 2 hours
blissful imp
there been some confusion in my group
some of my friends weren't getting the 2 hour flask until they made their own flask
undone sun
yeah you need the alchemy perk
blissful imp
well we all have alchemy
lol
but some were not getting 2 hours on their flask the first week of raiding
undone sun
right, it's not just innate from alchemy
you need to earn the perk called mixology or something
blissful imp
hmm
amber siren
i think it's 90? you get it
undone sun
i know legion had a questline to get it easily
sec i'll log on to see which perk exactly it is
blissful imp
I'm not seeing that achieve
delicate breach
blissful imp
I don't remember getting anything special for 2 hour flasks, I was just told that there was a qualifier for it and that making your own flasks was it (maybe its around that time)
delicate breach
We agree Prot Warriors need love 😆
undone sun
This was an old perk called "Mixology" that would double the duration on Elixirs/Flasks if you knew them. You simply have to have the pattern learned (in Legion's case, at least Rank 1 will do [PS: I just wasted a Flask I only have Rank 1 for just to confirm that!]) and you will receive the double duration.
undone sun
👍
candid cove
Yeah, gotta have the recipe. Can't just pick up rank one alch and get extended timers.
fresh dragon
OT question: do they have intention on fixing Anchor Weed?
some1 read anything about it?
amber siren
@fresh dragon https://www.wowhead.com/news=287353/patch-8-1-ptr-27826-professions-sinister-combatant-reagents-cost-change-enchante
dull seal
what is a good place to look for prot traits ?
fresh dragon
icy veins guide
amber siren
rich robin
Pins my friend
fresh dragon
guys just fantasizing about our "missing utility" which utility do u think we should have? i my opinion a mass stun of WHATEVER in combat attacking us for 6 secons (ye 6 seconds) and Speel reflection that is a REAL spell refletion and REFLECT ALL DIRECT ABILITIES used toward us... not a (Sometimes) Spell Reflection that reflect something yes and something no
Even BOSS ability
prisma night
that could be very easily broken
hot locust
I'mma hit that with a 🤔
fresh dragon
we are the ICONIC tank of this game
prisma night
so we need to trivialize a key ability from a boss?
astral crystal
almost like we're paladins 🤔
oak girder
Intercept stun in legion was a really nice thing, especially since it wasn't suffering from diminishing returns, I'd personally love to see it make a comeback
fresh dragon
of a "wanna have" ability that makes us different
hot locust
makes us different and makes us totally imba are two very different things.
hot locust
Not inherently, no.
fresh dragon
sanguine afflix? 😄
prisma night
thatd be interesting
uneven mason
Lets focus on stuff that increases our survivability rather than a gimmic off of our shield slam...
fresh dragon
yes
vocal nimbus
Tbf massgrip reduced range made it a very meh tool
fresh dragon
thats what i was thinking about. a stun on ALL enemy attacking us (so we dont stun something that we dont have aggro) for 5-6 sec allow us to recharge for example a SB
amber siren
I think as a species we can focus on more than one issue at once, survivability and utility being some of the more talked points
uneven mason
Like, how about taunt forces the mob to come to us (not stopping to cast or anything) for the duration of the fixate
fresh dragon
and some rage for IP
uneven mason
Rybie - dispel on shield slalm would address a very very very small issue (there are many classes that can dispell)
Being able to silence casters at range
like, gag order
cold owl
Ikar, I had that thought a few days ago. Would fit imo.
uneven mason
would be a much bigger issue
prisma night
fair
uneven mason
But after doing a +10 Motherlode lastnight, I'm pretty convinced that our only issue is literally non armormitigateable damage when we're not able to roll IP like its made of candy
fresh dragon
silence range caster can be done by quite all ranged and healers
amber siren
Wait so saying I would like x doesn't meant I'm not concerned about y? like boyyyy
amber siren
like I'm not an influence I can wish for things lmfao
uneven mason
I'm saying noise matters
creating a lot of white noise that the developers would have to sort through about what issues we face is what we faced in beta
fresh dragon
@hot locust so.. which could be ur "wanna have" warrior ability?
amber siren
I'm sure Ion is reading the prot discord and taking my one off suggestion very seriously
uneven mason
Lala wanna have armor work vs magic
hot locust
I dont think prot needs anything "new"
cold owl
Ion is everywhere, bro
uneven mason
Rybie you'd be shocked
Fury got a lot of changes I saw proposed in the fury discord
hot locust
Just a cd change on block and some rage tuning.
uneven mason
like word for fucking word
hot locust
CS?
astral crystal
did i just read
hot locust
????
uneven mason
Commanding is a raid server bro
tranquil jetty
fresh dragon
ye... a MASS TAUNT could be usefull
hot locust
We have one of the best with CS
uneven mason
unless thye massivly nerf DC
fresh dragon
we had that
amber siren
ion if you're spying on my messages, give me blizzcon mount plz
fresh dragon
CS?
fresh dragon
CS : Counter Strike? 😄
uneven mason
Commanding Shout
hot locust
More never hurts
uneven mason
@astral crystal having more than 1 CS is a big boon to healers
fresh dragon
its just "ill try to make u survive"
uneven mason
you can give people a ton of padding before a damage wave
esp if you have the tertiary trait stacked up
astral crystal
take two dps warriors :^)
fresh dragon
if CS could be 100% more healt
uneven mason
that is a HUGE Amount of health
hot locust
If you think CS isnt a big benefit youre delusional.
uneven mason
We take 2 DPS warriors and I tank as prot
we have a rotation
that we use for damage spikes
fresh dragon
mmmmm
uneven mason
it makes a difference
fresh dragon
Spirit Link is way better than CS
astral crystal
im more concerned with positioning demanding fights
uneven mason
Takkero - use CS with Spirit Link
silk mortar
You want a dps to have a better healing cd than a healer ;P?
uneven mason
since SL is mutliplicative in effect with health pool and DR effects
My only issue thus far with tanking Uldir as prot
is adds on Zul
fresh dragon
Ikarikaze i know but thats not a "i wanna a prot tank in M+/raid" thing
uneven mason
Right, but to have a "I wanna prot tank in my raid" kinda thing
we'd need something so OP
to really stand out
like, Gorefiends
fresh dragon
thats is why i was FANTAZISING
astral crystal
or the d3 barb knockdown added to tclap
fresh dragon
about something we dont have
astral crystal
we can now successfully control adds
uneven mason
I Mean, they could give us a grip to fit our fantasy
astral crystal
profit
astral crystal
also that
fresh dragon
mmmmmmmm what about
astral crystal
game already became d3 lite, might as well
fresh dragon
self healing for example while SB or LS is up?
uneven mason
Its D3 with smaller integers
I think they're REALLY not wanting to give us a self heal
because that would come at the cost of mitigation
self healing IS NOT one of our problems
fresh dragon
mmmm dunno
uneven mason
the extremely punishing focus level needed to optimize our mitigation is a big issue
fresh dragon
in this exp we have much HOT and less direct heal
uneven mason
the fact that our offensives are not defensive etc as well
Like, I get that we're ona cycle
gain resoruces spend them in mitigaiton or damage
fresh dragon
like monk?
fresh dragon
but that would be a copy
uneven mason
make a mistake as a monk and you purify it off and require a bit extra healing for like 4 seconds
make the same mistake as a warrior and you're tomato sauce
fresh dragon
this week i've done AD+10 in 60 min 😄
neat harbor
ppl just wont invite you to groups
neat harbor
this week is pure aids.
fresh dragon
noooooo
neat harbor
teeming+fort needs some serious tweaking
neat harbor
Id say they are both hard
prisma night
Fort weeks are always gonna be harder since trash is alot stronger this expac
fresh dragon
btw in my guild discord they said Teeming was bugged
neat harbor
howso?
fresh dragon
and seems that even boss get the fortified buff
agile tiger
Prot paladin ts active M is off cost and 3 charges. We only got 2 and with a cost
fresh dragon
it was strange coz they take a M+0 and read the Boss HP
than SUM the % difficult of M+
and the result was not right
agile tiger
If our sb would be of cost 3 charges and when using sl we shorten the cd
Would be the fix i think
uneven mason
New Mastery will probably scale the % reduction and value of IP
prisma night
Thatd be cool
uneven mason
make critical blocking based on crit
fresh dragon
well.. actually IP last 1 hit for a Mythic Raid Boss (maybe even no entirely)
steel mauve
But pallies only last 1.5 seconds longer than ours since theirs is a shorter buff time
uneven mason
come close to capping its values
but really what irking
SO like our main issue is IP is our only defense against stuff that gets past our block/Armor
fresh dragon
if i remember correctly my MAX IP is 35,3k
uneven mason
if its mitigatable by block, we can basically laugh at it
uneven mason
IP scales in a snapshot form with your AP
so if you have a on use str trinket (like this flask I'm still stuck using) you can dramatically increase your IP cap for that window
steel mauve
My ip almost always caps at 40.5k or jusg shy of it
uneven mason
and IP scales rather well
steel mauve
Just*
uneven mason
but its base is weak
steel mauve
And you cant just compare another tanks AM and try to copy it, like theres a reason why we have 2 stacks of SB and pallies have 3 of SOTR
neat harbor
guys Im curious, my r.io score is not updating, its the same as it was since tuesday
wonder if theres any way to force it to uptdate
uneven mason
that means you didn't make it onto the leaderboards?
neat harbor
no in the addon I mean
uneven mason
update your addon
fresh dragon
@neat harbor i m in the raider.io discord. problem is that BLizzard API last 500 daily fight
fresh dragon
500 best fight daily
neat harbor
rip
fresh dragon
so if u are not in the 500 best daily M+
uneven mason
its weekly
neat harbor
well that sounds rather shitty
and seems to defeat the purpose of the addon?
other than showing who made the top 500
:?
fresh dragon
its not their problem
steel mauve
Ya its best 500 weekly
fresh dragon
but blizzard API
steel mauve
Which is probably arguably worse than 500 daily
fresh dragon
@Froststick its not the addon's fault that blizzard isnt recording your runs. In the end this is a grind like anything else. You have to keep running. Since your server is a pretty full server, i suggest making friends with people off your server with less busy boards. That way you can rank on thier top 500 when you run with them, increasing the chances your run gets recorded. Also join these discords and try forming groups there for runs.
i copy/paste
from r.io
neat harbor
thats AIDS man
cause nobody probably is even aware of this
so some guy with 800 io thinks hes the shit, meanwhile youve done like 4 +9 in a single day and your score is still at 300
oof.
neat harbor
arms atm
neat harbor
yeah.
vocal nimbus
@neat harbor in game addon is not working currently
neat harbor
feelsbad.
fresh dragon
@vocal nimbus it works. its blizzard problem
fresh dragon
ok found it.. this is the r.io developer speaking:
Jah (Aspyr)la scorsa Domenica alle 23:10
This is an unfortunate limitation of the current API. Basically Blizzard provides 500 slots for showing runs for each realm / dungeon. As the week goes on, the minimum level needed to make it into that Top 500 for the realm will increase.
The ways to get around this limitation are to either: 1) Run earlier in the week when the leaderboards aren't as full (not always feasible), and 2) Run with people from other realms. As long as the run makes it into the Top 500 for any member's realm then it'll be possible for us to track (assuming it doesn't run into one of the other API problems right now, like the "Unknown" bug).
dapper sky
It used to be 100. If you didn't do your run on Tuesday it didn't show.
woven dome
@regal dome
steel mauve
?
Can read the first highlighted part of the pin and read after the comma
And also actually read the disclaimer on the ptr notes...
You know, this one
next ermine
Pfft. Who needs Disclaimers...
neon tangle
How do the leaderboards work for connected realms?
steel mauve
Any realm you scored in the top 500 counts
Which means if you have some one in a low pop realm and your group scored in the top 500 for that realm the score counts for you as well, if you are asking about the api for the raider.io addon
uncut fractal
dull pilot
pull smart
gage on how much u can take at a time
gage your interupts how many do u have
as a group
and pull depending on what your group can handle
urban mason
in m7+, m8+, is it that much of a hindrance having your tank be a prot war? seems i get denied often, futhermore it also seems like i get hit like a bus and every pull I have to use last stand to let my block recharge or i just get whooped. we all can agree ignore pain is just awful..
steel mauve
done messed up already, you chose temple 😛
urban mason
denied for the reason of being a prot war *
sick sentinel
using LS to let your block recharge is part of your active mitigation "rotation"
steel mauve
ya last stand isnt a big cd, it can be used as one sure, but it should be used as a rotational ability
SB 3 times last stand, SB 3 times for pure AM rotation
also its not a hindrance having a prot war as a tank, its just the community perception
sick sentinel
btw I just got this and I am sure I should equip it, but what should I replace?
crisp hearth
vagrant cape
I'd honestly use doom and rezan all the time
the extra strength and crit (as unreliable as it is) is what I'd use over stam and a miniscule heal
vagrant cape
I know, right?
it's almost like having 36 specs is a BAD idea
I still don't get why some classes have only dps specs
I don't understand
earnest zinc
You can probably just only care about one dps spec of each class being balanced
Though tell people which one ahead of time
vagrant cape
people just play whichever dps spec is doing the best and ignore the othesr
it creates a balance nightmare
earnest zinc
That's still only half the dps specs needed
Or maybe allow pure dps to have 2, but that would still be 16
We need a pruning of specs or them to just not care about more than 1 for each class
woeful reef
First glance I thought that was a 395 shield and was mega /drool
steel mauve
same
tight tree
imagine my dissapointment
woeful reef
ha! no doubt
tight tree
but at least it is decent dps trinket
royal pilot
quick question on azerite traits
is it ok to skill two times azertie veins or should i skill it only one time
royal pilot
didnt know that the healing stacks
final mist
Which trait is it?
steel mauve
all traits pretty much stack in one way or another
royal pilot
i thought one time azerite veins and one time lifespeed
jovial forge
Laser matrix or Bloodsport for azerite trait ?
sharp dew
What kind of haste%'s are people hitting in bfa?
ember arrow
as high as possible withotu sacrificing ilvl
solid mist
is the uldir azerite trait backward looking? I've downed a bunch of bosses but still no azerite pieces. so when one drops will it be powered up already? or no?
sharp dew
@ember arrow Actually number please lol
I haven't played any bfa
Wondering what the secondaries are up to roughly
ember arrow
theyre roughly equal in value
much closer than in legion
losing BC means crit is valuable for dps, also for parry, sicne parry has smaller diminishing returns than in legion
copper radish
The meme is real. Overall dmg for a normal dungeon 😛
kind urchin
I'm at 21% haste currently before itf.
ember arrow
@sharp dew you cant sim prot warriors, so stat weighs dont exist
sharp dew
Ok so no more 40%+ pre itf lmao
kind urchin
Is that even possible?
formal surge
You know, when the beastmaster does 4,7dps you know someone has down syndrom while having a stroke
copper radish
its a normal dungeon scaled down to 118
formal surge
I think a 110 BM still does more
copper radish
47.3% was thunderclap 😄
formal surge
Thats when Blizzard failed when actually most meele classes AA dmg is in the top 3 and not a way to play like old furry
ember arrow
@copper radish still impressive though
copper radish
You should try Unholy DK. Some fights you have: 1) auto attack, 2) auto atack pet, 3) auto attack army of the dead
hushed cobalt
How much haste do you need for 100% SB?
floral rock
a lot
edgy solstice
More than is attainable currently
hushed cobalt
I have 66% in my mind but that seems
ember arrow
youre 100 off
hushed cobalt
Give or take my ability to round
formal surge
@copper radish sounds like a fun class :v
ember arrow
thats kinda its point though
unholy have 2h melee
so big autos
and their pets they empower, so its also alot of the dmg
formal surge
Still feels wrong
ember arrow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
at least your main dmg isnt a dot
liek arms has lmao
affliction warrior
solid mist
arms is like "I'm crushing the enemy! Rawr big hits" lemme check meters... wtf?
merry cave
Anyone know f barnacle is good? I got a 380 version lol
cursive minnow
turbid onyx
elder isle
REMOVED Mastery: Critical Block Increases your chance to block by 4.0% and your chance to critically block (blocking twice the amount) by 12.0%.
wat ? ptr ? wat ?
vocal nimbus
Placeholder
And work in progress
Thats datamined info and nothing official
@turbid onyx check the pinned guide
@merry cave its fairly strong in aoe
merry cave
Yeah but i have a 380 button and 365 rezans lol, i dont think itd beat either
still nacelle
is it good idea to have 2 items with archive of the titans or nah?
proven pilot
@urban mason prot is in a really bad place atm
merry cave
sigh
steel mauve
no we're not
proven pilot
I don't even look at higher keys than +6 on mine, I go arms for those
merry cave
So you cant tank over a +6, but you tell others its a bad spec
steel mauve
we're capable of 10's in time
merry cave
makes sense
proven pilot
Prot has like 2% representation at 14+ on time
steel mauve
just because you cant handle it doesnt mean its the specs fault, we're actually really strong atm, just a lack of utility, but that doesnt mean we cant do some thing
who gives a shit about representation, thats not always indicative of how good a class is, theres about a million factors that go into those numbers
proven pilot
Including being a viable class9
proven pilot
Not sure 15s
We're not viable, simply because we're far worse than other classes, and there are next to no one who has even done a high key in time with a prot warrior
Sure, we can do 10s in time, but it requires so much more from both us and group, while other tanks can do it on their own
steel mauve
that literally doesnt mean we arent viable though, to not be viable would mean we cant stand hits and just constantly die, which literally would mean we cant do it
proven pilot
Which is sad because prot is a really fun class
shut summit
We're more than capable of 15s, just because you aren't doesn't mean the class isnt
Capable / viable doesn't mean the best
daring marlin
rekt
static pilot
Oh God this argument again
proven pilot
You're not viable is you can't do it, and if 99.99% of warriors can't do it, that means you're not viable
proven pilot
Less than 2% of all 15s in time was with a prot warrior
shut summit
Is that 0%
proven pilot
Within statistical error yes
daring marlin
Sounds like there’s just more people playing the “better” tanks. Rather than us being unable to do it.
merry cave
lol what
shut summit
Obviously prot is getting buffed defensively but to say it isn't possible when it been done is stupid
proven pilot
Only atal was done tho
static pilot
The way I see it Prot warriors are clunky, frustrating, counterintuitive, half-baked and all-round not in a good place. Some exceptional players manage to rise above that and still perform with it, most people do not.
That does not mean we are not viable, but I personally certainly wouldn't describe Prot as 'really strong' atm
steel mauve
to be fair atal is also our best loot dungeon
merry cave
I dont get what your point is? You think prot is not viable, go play a dk or monk. If you think its fine stop whinging and go practice
ionic fern
sick sentinel
Just because you're not viable, doesn't mean the class isn't.
If you want easier, play a different class.
steel mauve
^ literally all it boils down to
sick sentinel
If you don't like the class or how it plays, play a different class.
Thats why we have FOTM mouth breathers.
proven pilot
So you think warriors are fine?
sick sentinel
If you can't adapt and play the warrior class better, when it clearly has the tools to get the job done, play a different class.
scenic seal
ok i have a question since were on topic
sick sentinel
Warriors are fine.
scenic seal
i play arms but i really vibe with tauren warrior in full tank armor/mog
ionic fern
To avoid all drama regarding prot,don't use the word "viable" . Just say "not prefered".
sick sentinel
Exceedingly so with higher haste and shield ilvl. Their scaling is rather retarded.
steel mauve
we are fine, doesnt mewan we are great and could use some love, but we arent any near as bad as others, including you, make us out to be
proven pilot
How many have tanked any of the mythic bosses after mother?
sick sentinel
Arms excels in mythic+ and raids also.
scenic seal
everyone says prot is trash but im assuming clearing mythic +5 is still ez af and realistic?
final mist
There are several people here who have tanked mythic bosses after MOTHER as Protection.
static pilot
Sure absolutely
shut summit
About 50 pulls on fetid and haven't died single time, how about you @proven pilot
static pilot
Prot can clear all current content, they just need to work harder at it than other tanks
proven pilot
Yeah, prot is fine until you hit later mythic bosses or really high keys
sick sentinel
Sense, are you capable of taking the trash?
And he's not reading anything except what he writes. Go figure.
Seen Sol take it
final mist
Again, there are several people here who have done the later mythic bosses as Protection.
merry cave
@shut summit Are you streaming any of your progress? Cant play atm due to being away
sick sentinel
So, another troll.
slim sparrow
Since**
steel mauve
i mean he has players here who HAS done later bosses in mythic and higher keys, and ignoring them while spouting the same repeating phrases
shut summit
Internet been dropping frames past week, seems to be fine for now @merry cave
sick sentinel
He was streaming last night. Learned things of Underrot I didn't know could be skipped. ♥
merry cave
Sucess will watch some then 😃 thanks
sick sentinel
lfr is a shitshow. 2nd round and yet again another tank randomly taunting off me while eating sanitizing strikes
Still need an azerite slot from uldir as prot t_T
daring marlin
@proven pilot Would you say prot paladins are tankier than Prot Warriors?
sick sentinel
An easy boss that doesn't hurt, even at higher keys. Long as you don't stand in pools.
proven pilot
They are?
sick sentinel
They are tbh
sick sentinel
zzz
daring marlin
This is too funny
proven pilot
Any caster in the equation and you melt as warrior
past ledge
Hey guys, anyone had this bug in mythic taloc where it teleports you all to the front of the instance as soon as you jump to p3?
proven pilot
Had taloc punt me to mother twice on elevator
past ledge
alone or with entire raid?
elder isle
@past ledge xDDDD
quartz moon
So patch for prot arrived ...
uneven mason
wat?
daring marlin
What does Paladin have to deal with magic that’s better than Warrior? @proven pilot
tiny sphinx
avenger shield interrupts are nice, gotta say
digital arrow
What about it @quartz moon
static pilot
He said anything but physical attacks, I'd argue diseases and poisons would qualify for that
Unless you mean a different quote. I've given up on following the constant arguments here
molten rivet
Can anyone post me the link to that Discord Addon where "not viable" is replaced with "not the meta", please?
daring marlin
add one caster to the mix and you melt as warrior is what I was referring to.
uneven mason
I mean, there was a time when we were not viable (see early) beta
I mean, it really depends what you're talking about caster wise?
static pilot
Obvious hyperbole used to make a point is what I see shrug
uneven mason
warriors do have a problem with magic damage for sure
uneven mason
But its situational, a tank buster that does magic damage (single burst, long CD) like, Void Lash
we have some of the best tools for
but constant magic damage
or DoTs
we're just SOL
static pilot
At the risk of repeating myself, fucking ^
uneven mason
hope you can pump rage into IP
Like, Fort/teeming physical packs, I can bulldoze
on +10
add some stacking poison and we fallover
3 casters with no good LOS breaks nearby - croak
totally reliant on how powerful the healers throughput is at that pont
Paladin on the other hand, silence, self healing, better shielding, overall mitigation is higher vs magic than warriors, but they can't mitigate tankbusters like we do (unless they're specced for warding)
daring marlin
Mmmhm. I was more referring to unavoidable/uninterruptible magic shit. We can do pretty well against it. Most tanks are pretty shit against magic in general.
I’m actually curious if bubble clears shatter/void lash debuffs on Zek.
Any speculation on what these defensive buffs we’ll get will be? :D?
open bluff
- All Protection abilities now do 5 damage.
Developer's note: We'd rather people not play Protection right now as we look to completely redesign the spec in 9.0
static pilot
Revenge now heals a baseline of 7% of our health +20% of damage taken in the last 5 seconds
^^
daring marlin
lol
static pilot
Honestly I have no clue and they seem pretty unsure what to do
mellow bridge
I'd take it Kappa
uneven mason
They don't want to copy other tanks, but don't want us to be super OP
static pilot
Personally I just don't like the actual gameplay so I hope for a rework, others think it can be salvaged with number tweaks
uneven mason
like, giving us a stronger IP
past ledge
can someone link the prot notes please?
uneven mason
being able to spam absorbs for a lot > self healing.
static pilot
There arent any yet
grim prism
rework aint happening, we literally just got a major rework
uneven mason
did a patch come through?
finite cairn
“Spell reflect removed, you must now time shield slam right to reflect spells”
mellow bridge
@static pilot Won't happen until a big patch and pretty sure this small adjustment is supposed to be happen before that
cinder nova
@finite cairn gimmie
mellow bridge
They tried to rework us, failed in beta and gave us IP back without adjusting anything towards having it
mellow bridge
like the plan was to not have IP at all and instead replace it with smth new
but they didnt find anything that worked well
so they gave us IP back but didnt adjust any balcing or talents afaik
static pilot
I wouldn't be surprised if they do both tbh
Push a hot fix with some quick and dirty Prot buffs to help stem the stampede
And keep working on the redesign on the PTR long term
open bluff
At this point both prot warr and brm are going to be reworked/redesigned in the next expac or two
mellow bridge
yeah
that'd be possible Kudaku
Just saying dont expect any spell reworks with the incoming buff
@open bluff Why brm? I dont play monk at all
open bluff
BrM is gamebreaking, and they clearly need time to figure out wtf is going to happen with prot
static pilot
Oh sure, I didn't mean to imply the new Prot was right around the corner
If they do a redesign it won't be out for a while
open bluff
Besides Stagger constraining boss design and the spec being as exciting to play as watching paint dry
daring marlin
Could be worse.
open bluff
Or having zero decisions to make ever
static pilot
Theres another class that could do with some attention
open bluff
BrM is basically tanking on autopilot
The rotation never changes and can more or less fit in a castsequence macro
You have one viable CD in most cases (you only talent into a second for specific cases where you know it's needed)
The only decision making is trial and error with brews when learning the spec, but after that even brew usage is more or less automatic
Stagger is just boring to have the entire spec based around and it prevents boss design from having tankbusters eventually be survivable if they're meant to one shot you on progression
Because brm will probably survive it if it's flagged as anything other than instant death, at which point you can never outgear the mechanic and eventually survive it without externals etc
uneven mason
So was there actual notes about prot or they talking about that goofy stuff thats in the ptr?
static pilot
Nothing solid yet apart from the blue post Lore did yesterday
'Prot is due some buffs but we don't know how to go about it yet' etc etc
uneven mason
Oh, ok yeah I saw that, and yeah, we knew that
Like
Thanks for telling us you didn't know what you're doing with prot, we've been saying that since alpha
static pilot
'Regarding this upcoming tuning pass, I wouldn't expect it to be something that solves every Prot Warrior grievance, but it should hopefully help while we look into potential further adjustments.'
I read this to mean that they'll throw us a bone or two in the next couple of weeks but they're working on something more comprehensive in the background
Maybe a baseline HP buff, better IP pool cap and/or a tweak to SB uptime in the short term, with talent & mastery design down the line
ionic obsidian
I'd just like it if some of our awful talents get changed.
Ravager either needs to just go or take Best Served Cold's place.
cinder nova
Ravager needs to go
uneven mason
yeah we're going to get a revamp in 8.1, we'll have some "Boosts" in thecoming weeks
cinder nova
And I definitely agree that having talents that aren't absolute irredemable shit
would be preferable
ionic obsidian
I would love to use ravager in 5 mans, as a ranged AoE threat tool. Something that we lack. But it's not a level 100 talent.
ionic obsidian
The fact thunderclap does more damage than a 1 minute cooldown is insane to me.
static pilot
I think the draw of ravager is meant to be the parry its just wildly unsexy compared to the alternatives
uneven mason
it has a -89% damage mod on it
static pilot
It's like how you didn't use neltharions fury for aoe dps
uneven mason
except parry isn't a reliable survivability boost in any situation
vivid sage
what if it was 100% parry
ionic obsidian
Ehh.
vivid sage
that would be a reliable survivability boost
merry cave
It is if you truly believe🙏 🙏
static pilot
Partially agree with that - I love DRW when running into a m+ pack
open bluff
depends, parry isn't going to stop spells or boss specials
static pilot
80% parry doesn't stop 100% of strikes but neither does Bolster
open bluff
which are the main things you would need a cooldown for in the first place
static pilot
Then I'd run HR
ionic obsidian
It would be better on trash, yes. But I think AM would still pull ahead because as mentioned it wouldn't do much for bosses.
vivid sage
it could on ghuun
static pilot
Oh, absolutely and unequivocally
I'm not for a second arguing that ravager is a viable alternative to AM atm
Just saying that if you move it to a dps talent branch you'd need to change the parry bonus :)
ionic obsidian
I'm not so sure.
Because Dragon Roar and Unstoppable Force both do damage, lead to rage gains, and have utility. Having the defensive portion on it would fit with the tree.
daring marlin
inb4 UF nerf coupled with defensive buffs.
static pilot
DS has a tiny rage gain and UF is wildly overperforming because of an azerite trait that's gonna go at some point
open bluff
more like dragon whisper
ionic obsidian
Best Served Cold's potential best damage in the row- you're not going to consistently fight 5+ enemies and have the damage be worth the defensive and utility loss.
static pilot
Would you rather have 10 rage or +35% parry for 10 sec?
daring marlin
💔
open bluff
but yeah, UF is probably going to see a nerf in the future because of how high our AoE is during avatar (granted that's our main niche as far as the general wow public is concerned)
grim prism
I'd rather have ravager on a different row. Lol
open bluff
i'm guessing around 25-50%
static pilot
Oops, 12 sec
grim prism
static pilot
Me too Avalith. I just hope they time that nerf well
If the next piece of news that comes out for Prot warriors is that DC is dead Skyhold should go on suicide watch
ionic obsidian
I feel like UF was put in to kind of make up for the tier 21 loss while having that AoE benefit. Doesn't feel great though.
static pilot
Maybe... I kind of thought the opposite
If you didn't know about UF DC is a balanced trait
It gives you 4-6 extra sec of DS if you maximize the clap time
That's basically an artifact trait in legion
daring marlin
Good chance DC is gone next tier.
static pilot
It's the synergy between DC, BV, UF and AM that makes it go nuts
Wow that was a lot of acronyms
grim prism
They'll probably just reduce it to 1 sec if they do anything to it imo
merry cave
For ravager to be moved to a dps row it'd have to do dps 🤷
grim prism
Or something along those lines
static pilot
$50 says Griff will frame that screenshot of his DS uptime and hangs it on his wall if that happens
daring marlin
Are azerite traits not the replacement for tier sets?
grim prism
$50 says he already has
static pilot
LOL
daring marlin
That shit is going byebye, my dudes.
It’ll be on old gear and nerfed into the dirt ALA Arms T20 and T19.
ionic obsidian
I'm glad honestly. I like the idea of the trait and it is fun but yeah just feels so substantial.
daring marlin
New azerite won’t have it.
static pilot
It depends, with m+ gear you can keep a dungeon piece relevant for the entire expansion
grim prism
"Tier bonus" is built into uldir az
They arent redoing their 200something traits
Or whatever they quoted
static pilot
Just good fucking luck winning the lottery and getting a weekly chest with a DC trait every new patch
ionic obsidian
Speaking of which I came to ask. With the buff to Reinforcing Plate, I'm curious how much closer it is to the other traits. Obviously +block is just going to always be good.
daring marlin
Just the outer ring they’ll change. lol
grim prism
It always was one of the good ones @ionic obsidian
ionic obsidian
I just wonder if I can start picking it over generics if it drops.
grim prism
Wait no
static pilot
I think it went from average to average+ but I'm really not an expert
grim prism
I was thinking of iron fortress sorry
grim prism
"That one that isnt DC or BFI"
sick sentinel
anyone know how they are changing the mastery
static pilot
No, that's not constructive. Atm we have no idea what they're planning
daring marlin
rekt
static pilot
AFAIK everything about the mastery is datamined, may be a whole lot of smoke with no fire
daring marlin
2lazy2edit
sick sentinel
No. Lol
Wait and see. PTR JUST started. And that's data mined.
Only indicating change is coming.
static pilot
Holy shit, for once I didn't regret clicking :)
quartz moon
Prey for PRot !
ornate peak
should i use my emblem of zandalar ilvl 340 with socket or go with syringe of bloodborne infirmity ilvl 355
daring marlin
no
ornate peak
?
hallow sun
retiring my warrior today. good luck out there. RIP warrior
true hazel
hallow sun
idk. im not investing my time anymore into a dead end class (IMO)