A flat 10% DR?
#protection
chrome falcon
They aren't going to just straight up remove our mastery
olive scaffold
still wont be enough kek
chrome falcon
C'mon now
dark junco
Well its removed on ptr, but wait before panic mode
Also taunt is gonna be sketchy a bit
chrome falcon
Taunt chance is 100% irrelevant for us
dark junco
Like legit if theres bursting, no ise to taunt
chrome falcon
We're probably the only tank that doesn't care
Also, there's probably no taunt change
steel mauve
tooltip update means its literally already been in the game
steel mauve
taunt isnt on the gcd though
dark junco
So you’ll still be a gcd late on aggro
undone sun
kral i already said what's likely going to happen, it's likely just a tooltip change meaning nothing actually changes about how taunt works
dark junco
Isn’t it?
steel mauve
no...
undone sun
no taunt is not on gcd
steel mauve
its never been iirc
dark junco
Well my bad then, never really noticed
undone sun
you would notice if it was
dark junco
Don’t get your hopes high =p
But yeah, you’re prob right Thyme
But I don’t get the idea of all the pruning of tooltips
I’d rather have LoL tooltip styles: normal and advance
prisma crane
lets be real, no one reads them anyways
chrome falcon
@thorn hound Were you just memeing with that defensive stance change? I can't find it anywhere
dark junco
Hard to get numbers ingame without using datamines ad shit
chrome falcon
the fact that blizzard sometimes takes months to update their tooltips is absolutely fucking pathetic
they're SO far behind on some aspects of this stuff
compared to other companies
dark junco
Yeah but issue might mainly be on grabbing aggro during a nuke phase/pull
chrome falcon
If prot warrior cannot hold aggro during burst
No-one can
And if no-one can hold aggro, they'll change it
There's literally nothing for us to worry about
steel mauve
i mean the tooltip change on taunt is non existent since its probably been like that for months now
dark junco
I disagree on that, but we’ll see if aggro bonus is really changed
Nah you get bonus
Youcan see it with omen
(If you still run that)
candid cove
I mean I get that crit block needs to be reworked. a 370 shield blocks for around 53% before level difference
prisma crane
yea but it's capped at 85% anyways
which means you're still taking 25% more damage than you were from crit blocks in legion
and getting to 7/7 bastion in legion wasnt hard
doing it with itemlevel however...
unborn karma
What’s the highest keys people have done with Prot so far?
ember arrow
who else is hyped for taunt not increaseing threat after cast?
static pilot
@devout vortex You mentioned earlier there was a blue post saying they intend to buff prot warriors - any chance you could provide a link to that? I've been digging for the past 5 minutes and I got nothing 😕
neon tangle
red sequoia
im thinking the taunt change will be for dps specsonly... tank specs will probably still have the threat increase
sick sentinel
16+ first week @unborn karma
ember arrow
i already imagine "link curve, 1 dk tank because they can actually taunt"
sick sentinel
Look to the leaderboards for latest.
prisma crane
i wouldnt count that 4 hour run Beth, but yea i guess
on time i believe there's a few 15s
4 i think
static pilot
+16 first week was a bugged key and was finished in (I believe) just under four hours - personally I don't consider that a legitimate key to reference
iron forum
lol this is the placeholder dungeon journal for one of the new raid bosses: Overview: Defeat your enemies.
◦ Damage Dealers:
Don't stand in fire.
◦ Healers:
Play whack-a-mole.
◦ Tanks:
If you die with a cooldown available, it's your fault you died. (Heroic)
steel mauve
to be fair, i think that could be every dungeon journal on live
static pilot
Someone was asking about the defensive stance change, I think I found the explanation
Defensive Stance reduces damage dealt by 20% when engaged in combat with enemy players (was 10%).
chrome falcon
Ok that makes more sense
A flat 10% DR in all PvE would make prot warrior pretty busted I think
static pilot
It would make us significantly more viable and fix zero gameplay issues
It would have been a massively lazy fix
iron forum
i mean it been an arms talent for awhile now, would be extremely strange if they all of a sudden gave it back to prot. plus why wouldn't you use defensive stance as prot lol
static pilot
So I'm glad it's not accurate :)
sick sentinel
lol oh yikes. blue post for prot warrs
iron forum
a new one?
lapis pasture
Really? O:
open bluff
no not a new one
brazen sequoia
Are adds from sand traps on first boss in Tol Dagor under the influence of Reinforcing?
thorn hound
@chrome falcon its on mmo champion
static pilot
adds spawned by bosses are (AFAIK) not affected by fortified
digital arrow
do u guys try and tank all of those sand trap adds? it's tought keeping aggro without killing them
static pilot
I kill them with cleave, but I normally run with a party member that can dispel the rage
midnight ferry
anyone know good prot warrior streamer?
wild torrent
Sco
fading token
I prefer watching sense
sick sentinel
lmao?
static pilot
@sick sentinel ?
sick sentinel
WATCH MY STREAM
granite vale
anyone tried underrot +10 yet?
static pilot
I tanked a 5 and it felt awful, can't imagine a 10
static pilot
Yup, that was the worst part
Double enrage on a 7 man pack
Even with hard CC on three of them it went sideways in a hurry
The trash in the second boss's room is also worth noting
Not terribly hard but there is SO much of it
chrome harbor
the trinket guide seems to be going for dps.... should i be using galecaller over lets say mythrax trinket?
static pilot
Came around the corner and thought it was Wiggly stadium
Final pack before third boss was rough as well - they added two necromancers to the two casters that put down the death totem
It was okayish apart from that. The first platform was definitely the hardest pull in there
steel mauve
well most of the tank trinkets suck any ways, and mythrax still isnt that great even after the buff
gaunt coyote
they said tuning
chrome harbor
yea... id prefer if it was on use tbh
gaunt coyote
it was amazing in pvp
chrome harbor
that ive heard
vagrant cape
Reinforced plating strength bonus getting buffed by 10%?!? I'VE GOT TWO! SUCK IT YOU BRACE FOR IMPACT SHEEPLE
static pilot
LOL
digital arrow
im stickin to muh guns
dry epoch
Easy way to get a shield for my prot offspec? xd
digital arrow
i had to run the only four/five dungeons that dropped the shield over and over and over till i almost went crazy
if u have 350k u can buy one off AH
split flint
Hey guys does the Higher ilvl priority for gear apply in trinkets in the case of the pvp trinkets that have main stat and on use Max hp? For example a Blockades 355 vs a 370 gladiators emblem?
Is there a list available? the one on icey veins shows only a couple of trinkets so was wondering if the pvp trinks follow that rule
hardy magnet
does that warrior tank Sense stream?
undone sun
yes
undone sun
Click on his name on the right >>>> and it'll be on his discord profile
he's streaming now
dull pilot
thx
hardy magnet
wtf he has so much hp 😮
tiny sphinx
he's probably using one or more of those azerite traits that procs hp and armour boosts
cinder nova
fast knot
372 if I saw his character panel right
soft kindle
he has BfI, DC, and Archive
tiny sphinx
oh silly me, who would eschew deafcrash
fathom marten
Can rupturing blood be dispelled in zul?
undone sun
don't think so
fathom marten
nvm
astral crystal
hm...
random finch
It can by BOP @fathom marten
fathom marten
thanks
sick sentinel
we should cry more about prot warr so they buff it more right
fathom marten
I mean that is what is essentially happening
random finch
I was thinking if they wanna keep it to the class “fantasy” change ignore pain to like refund the health from damage taken so you “ignore” the pain
green isle
the word you're looking for is healing
digital arrow
healing is for cowards
sudden tapir
Remember the day when we didn’t have IP
random finch
Simple word changing to play into this bs class fantasy
tiny sphinx
i miss barrier, but barrier would potentially give you 300-500% of your health bar
static pilot
@sick sentinel two days ago reddit/wow had a meme about prot warriors. Yesterday Blizz announced Prot buffs.
https://media.giphy.com/media/7GcdjWkek7Apq/giphy.gif
Clearly we need more memes
cloud bone
LOL
random finch
Always more memes never enough of memes
static pilot
Memes are the secret to communicating with the blizz class design team
inland mesa
selling 10 keys on a warrior FeelsGoodMan - too bad two AD and no shield or gloves 😦
sick sentinel
smh we dont need buffs.
junior ivy
seeing a dk struggle in a kings rest 9 tonight (we gave up after first boss) made me kind of relieved and happy
casue usualyl i think only warriors or only me struggle
ember arrow
then he didnt kite properly
signal plover
The casters in there do ballsy dmg too but a DK shouldn't struggle with that
ember arrow
los it
junior ivy
i know hes a good tank too casue its my friend. i was just glad to see another class struggle lol
iron forum
honestly that hallway is just as much on the dps and healers as the tank
tank cant do much when every dps eats a facefull of raptor or bladestorm
but that hallway is a doozy either way, definitely not each on high stones this week
junior ivy
i lvled my druid to 114
just via dungeons
i keep hoping ill get a warrior tank to heal
buyt i never do
cloud bone
I just want them to eventually run out of ideas for new classes and give warriors a healing spec
cus then i'd actually heal
shut summit
❤
sick sentinel
only solidifying my belief prot warr is fine. in the right hands.
chrome grove
Guys what are they doing to critical block 😦
compact dagger
removing it
fluid basin
Protection Warrior looks really cool, but I am so bad at this game I will never try to tank 😦
chrome grove
How do you delete someone else's comment
static pilot
Apparently our new mastery lowers repair costs
sinful vortex
finally the change we desperately needed
cloud bone
truly the change that'll make us the meta tank
static pilot
Begging: lowers the cost of AH items and repair bills by X
The higher you stack your mastery the cheaper the AH will get
undone sun
100% mastery builds here we go
static pilot
So all the auction house whores will try to get their Prot gear as high as possible
Thousands of new Prot warrior mains overnight
Crisis averted
static pilot
They are
lunar jackal
i wanna know the changes
cloud bone
fuck yeah now I can get my flasks for only 1 leg instead of both
undone sun
we don't even know the changes
static pilot
Me too
undone sun
https://puu.sh/ByR0e/4c1ed0af8b.png this is all we got from PTR data mining
static pilot
You must have nice legs Pixel, I gotta throw in an arm too
chrome grove
The only change we know is critical block is toast
static pilot
There is a blue post that we have defensive buffs in the future
cloud bone
I read that and was like what's wrong with it then I saw "REMOVED"
chrome grove
Fingers crossed we don't get something like a meme version of Brewmaster mastery, where every hit you take off the chin increases block chance by x
static pilot
Discussion of that can be found here : https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9hulk9/blue_post_defensive_buffs_for_warriors_incoming/
tiny sphinx
i propose a new spec for warrior, maybe even a new class altogether: Lancer/Dragoon/Chevalier
cloud bone
no no more damage
only healer
we need to be able to scream at people to ignore pain just like we ignore it
tiny sphinx
it would be a tank class obviously
cloud bone
If they can't ignore it then they're bad and should ignore more pain
tiny sphinx
ignoring pain is all mental really, so we need to stack more int, the answer was staring us in the face
cloud bone
my god
My only hope is that our cd is just called "No"
and negates any damage for a duration
tiny sphinx
:queue jontron stop meme:
cloud bone
YES
nova rover
Hey guys, normal zul, how many stacks on phase 2? Having probs getting through it as the debuff goes away
cloud bone
3 stacks if you're doing 2 tanks
just gotta have the healers focus the tanks during phase 2
no if's ands or buts about it
random finch
Just stay in melee range while your waiting and jump out with 2-3 secs left
static pilot
Talk to the Hand cooldown?
dark junco
BoP is helpful
nova rover
Is it easier with 3 tanks?
dark junco
no
but with ret pallies and at least 1 pally heals
all talenting the bop talent
BoP makes this fiths a cakewalk
static pilot
If you run with three tanks they can swap at two stacks each
Easier on the tanks but it tightens the DPS requirement a bit
nova rover
Ok, gotcha, so have all palies with bop. Because we don’t struggle with the first phase but second kicks us with the debuff
static pilot
If you keep having issues with the third stack and your dps is solid it could be worth a shot
dark junco
Ret pallies are godsend on this one
static pilot
Like most things it'll get easier with better gear
nova rover
Yea, just weighing it out, we breeze through first 5 just this one
static pilot
One thing - don't jump the gun on the bop
static pilot
If you apply bop while you're in midair with heroic leap it drops the blood where you jumped from
static pilot
Wait till you land before you get bopped
worthy karma
okay the hunter and rogues in my guild say MD and tricks are useless. is there math to back this up or are they just being lazy?
dark junco
What kudaku said
static pilot
Then intervene/charge and resume rotation
dark junco
I usually pop a LS or something to survive the run for the boP placement
static pilot
They're lazy
dark junco
^
static pilot
Unless it's a bm in which case they maaay have a point
dark junco
is pet aggro still nto trasnfering ?
static pilot
I'm not 100% sure
That's why I threw in the maybe ^^
But rogues have no excuse
Good rogue with tricks means the arms warrior can go full ham on the pull
worthy karma
does anyone have any math i can use to shut them up?
static pilot
Bad rogue with no tricks means the arms warrior has to limp wrist it for a few secs before he Bladestorms
worthy karma
like thats what i thought too, but i took the last half of legion off so wasnt sure if something had changed
and yea lol i have omen
worthy karma
oh i know that, which is why im trying to get them to use tricks and MD
but they say its a negligable increase
dark junco
They transfert all their threats to ya
So its only negigle if their dps is neglegible
worthy karma
rip, kk thanks
perfect
i was forgetting that it was ALL threat
thats all i need to win the argument lol thanks
dark junco
Misdirection
100 yd range
Instant 30 sec cooldown
Requires Hunter
Requires level 42
Misdirects all threat you cause to the targeted party or raid member for the next 8 sec.
I mean if you're telling me that your dps is negligable, sure.
And with the maybe incomming nerf to taunt, its gonna be even more relevant.
(tho not for us in most situation I'd guess).
worthy karma
yea new taunt change wont make that much of a diff for aoe pulls. its just going back to the days of having to not do anything on tank swap fights if you are the off tank
raven kernel
wats the taunt change i cant find it
worthy karma
its on the wowhead ptr patch notes
taunt no longer causes abilities to generate extra threat
dull pilot
with the change whats the point in haveing taunt
worthy karma
still puts you at top threat and targeting you
the next player still has to get to 110% of your threat to pull if in melee and 130% if range
raven kernel
can you link it?
dull pilot
i see
raven kernel
there's multiple ptr posts on wowhead
worthy karma
im all for making threat a thing again. i miss BC prot warr. get rid of active mit and give me back challenging roar and cleave plz
sharp lotus
I just wish pets couldnt taunt over my taunt
upbeat folio
"I can’t speak to any plans for the patch, but I do know that we’re planning to make some tuning adjustments sometime in the next few weeks which should include some defensive buffs for Protection Warriors."
How extensively has this been discussed today?
sacred roost
Thank god!
that's such good new, i feel like I'm wearing paper even at level 84
85 now I guess
when you hit 85 you get access to heroic cata and hour of twilight dungeons.
but for pure leveling, I don't think it's worth doing them.
upbeat folio
For leveling, you're probably better off sticking to quests unless you actually have quests for the dungeons you're doing.
sacred roost
the quests are in the dungeons, but I thought random dungeons where the best way to go right now
as a tank
at least until 91 of course.
static pilot
I'd say queue for for each dungeon once to do their quests
You get a little bit of xp for queueing random but not as much as for actually getting dungeon quests along the way
sacred roost
77k per dungeon.
static pilot
You can do random and gamble that you'll get a new one every time ofc
static pilot
That low? Wow, they really did fuck up the rewards balance then
On average you get 3-5 quests per dungeon i guess
So 36-60k assuming you can do all of it
sacred roost
like, I just did Throne again, and it gave me 122239 exp after final boss with standard of coord down and heirloom gear.
for a 30-40 min run
and 1 +5% gem
that's what, 10-12 quests out in the world, I guess?
snow hinge
new changes mastery removed ? shield block deleted text of causing u to block all attacks ...are we up for a rework on those 2 and our mitigation overall ?
amber siren
they haven't decided on any changes yet, all of the things listed on wowhead are simply just tooltip edits and are likely incomplete
snow hinge
yeah a buff would be nice for prot...feels rly bad to tank atm ...healers having heartattacks
amber siren
there are changes being discussed but we're in limbo between 'rework with the ele changes as well' or 'minor % buffs'
sacred roost
Anything's that's not a stealth nerf is better then we have now 😃
sick sentinel
smh
static pilot
Amen Furva :)
mental scarab
on what ivl do you switch blockade for Rezan? have 355 jes howler in other slot
brazen sequoia
When it's 360 😃
tbh I do have bandages and howler for m+ and rezan + howler for raid!
mental scarab
aha 😃
static pilot
How do you feel about the bandages?
AFAIK the meta says they're awful but I wonder if they could fill a useful niche for warrior in m+
brazen sequoia
guess I just suck then 😦
vocal nimbus
You get a lot more value from rezan
vocal nimbus
i've used almost all trinkets i believe
static pilot
I'm thinking it can help a little bit with what warriors have an issue with, when they unexpectedly drop low and LS is on CD
vocal nimbus
except sporepods
bandages are really a poor choice
if you drop low and everything is on CD you kite
brazen sequoia
well I like it...
amber siren
I mean if you like it then it's 🤷 you do you, people are going to refute it if you advocate for it though
vocal nimbus
Facetanking till you or the pack dies is not the proper way to play m+ to be fair
static pilot
Kiting ain't always an option :-/
Blood matrons are secretly Usain Bolt in a fat suit
static pilot
2? There are 4 in Teeming
There are 2 just on the platform
Another 1 patrolling and 1 at the entrance
vocal nimbus
Are there 2 on both sides with teeming?
static pilot
Yup
vocal nimbus
I've done a couple underrots this week but i always suicide run that part
All the way until the first boss
static pilot
The best case pull there is 2 matrons + dark spirit + three regular dudes
Two headhunters and I forgot what the third one is called
sacred roost
Is temple doable this week?
vocal nimbus
Kill the first worm on the right
sacred roost
I couldn't figure out how to kill the third boss no matter what we tried last week.
vocal nimbus
Let the healer invis and run until the boss
static pilot
That works fine as long as you don't wipe and start at the start again. Fuck spawn points that aren't the entrance apparently
vocal nimbus
And suicide somewhere in the bridge
static pilot
I just really dislike underrot this week
vocal nimbus
Furva, all bosses should be far easier this week because it isn't tyrannical
strong forum
Huh, so prot warri is getting a new mastery in 8.1? Since crit block has been removed
static pilot
It gets better past the second boss but the initial trash is just out of control
vocal nimbus
Maybe you werent soaking the pillars properly
ocean acorn
for weapons we just use highest ilvl
cinder roost
I found Temple to be one of the easiest this weak (haven't tried 10 yet)
ocean acorn
?
vocal nimbus
Yes
ocean acorn
kk
cinder roost
3rd boss is just organization
static pilot
He's a pretty decent HPS check on tyrannical but on fort it should b manageable with good clordjnation
That typo is too good not to leave in there. Thank you SwiftKey, that's totally what I meant to say
lavish oracle
Siege is mostly fine this week if you don't mind the bosses too much
Teeming adds almost nothing to it
strong forum
Same with Kings rest
Double construct can be iffy, but after that it's pretty smooth sailing
lavish oracle
King's rest with Fortified always seems dicey to me
strong forum
It's not too bad, if you know your shit
Don't get hit twice by bleed don't get knocked up yada yada
And save Lust for zul
So you wanna Lust the big pack before 1st boss, use it on 2nd boss and for zul
lavish oracle
The pre-second boss trash worries me too, not that I've tried it since I just steer clear of it during fortified
strong forum
The blobs are literally 0 danger
strong forum
So the constructs
lavish oracle
The 4 kings
cinder roost
Does those got teemings?
upbeat folio
@strong forum Where idd you see that critical block was being removed?
strong forum
8.1 patch notes on wowhead
fresh dragon
i read the Q&A about war prot, conclusion: they don't even know we exist.
strong forum
We are in for a mastery change, or just fucked up on ptr currently
lavish oracle
Presumably it's a master rework @upbeat folio
strong forum
fresh dragon
they removed the critical block?
lavish oracle
They're probably reworking Heavy Reprecussions too if they're adding 30% crit to SB baseline
fresh dragon
where do i read this patch notes?
sick sentinel
nice
strong forum
Wowhead
sick sentinel
We needed that removed
strong forum
It's 8.1
sick sentinel
I feel to strong atm
strong forum
Either a rework, or a mistake
fresh dragon
btw we are less than 5% tank in uldir.. we are like whale in seas..
sick sentinel
I know, I was just being sarcastic haha... But lets see what they bring for us
strong forum
Sagif was being sarcastic I tink
sick sentinel
^^
Atm, we are very far away from 8.1, so no need to be hyperventilating... However, as numbers show, we are not exactly in a good place atm
strong forum
Not that far
8.1 will prob hit after blizzcon
So 2 months
Or shortly before blizzcon
lavish oracle
You think? I think it'll hit before and we'll get some kind of 8.1.5 or 8.2 reveal at Blizzcon
normal badge
is there a pawn string for prot warrior anywhere?
strong forum
- 2 reveal 100%
No pawn doesn't work for prot
Cuz you don't have stat weights
Just use highest ilvl
lavish oracle
I'd say keep haste rings but otherwise yeah, Ilvl is your best stat
strong forum
Socket is worth roughly 15ilvl on rings and weapons, on armor maybe 5
normal badge
ok
lavish oracle
The new taunt thing is dumb
lavish oracle
I really hope that doesn't make it to live
sick sentinel
I know, "no need to panic"
lavish oracle
They're removing the extra threat gen from taunt on PTR
strong forum
Oh shitv
fresh dragon
?
sick sentinel
But almost every class has a misdirect now... Imagine that now tanks are gonna rely on DPSers to do the tank-swap
10/10
lavish oracle
That is 100% too much coordination to try to do in a PUG, lol
sick sentinel
even in guild group
what does the other tank do?
AFK
pop Defensives, and go take a piss
lavish oracle
Yeah, it's just tedious, makes gameplay as a tank less fun
not sure what they're thinking with it
lavish oracle
Are they trying to make skittish harder or something?
raven gazelle
sick sentinel
Imagine this: Every tank gets Feign Death
undone sun
Still too early to speculate because it's the first wave of PTR data mining and it could mean literally anything
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
BuT i WaNt To SpEcUlAtE
undone sun
:angery:
sick sentinel
and scream to the heavens how shit our life will be
and how Blizz needs to fix this soon
crimson raft
is the ptr up yet? do we have any notes?
lavish oracle
Just datamining, atm
fair crystal
Im more interested in what our new mastery will be if we get one 😄
Something like druids have would be nice
lavish oracle
I wanna see what's up with heavy reprecussions
fair crystal
or our old lego bracers baked into a mastery could be sexy
lavish oracle
I doubt whatever they change it to will make it worth taking over AM but we'll see
fair crystal
Indeed AM is to strong imo
hexed lion
Did the Reddit AMA reveal anything about changes to prot?
undone sun
Not that I'm aware of
modest totem
Nah. But there was a blue post confirming they are buffing prot. Nothing after that
hexed geyser
On MMO yeah they did mention whether the changes for prot will require a patch or hotfix is yet undecided so is the changes itself
btw whats the deal with people talking about no taunt on PTR and stuff?
modest totem
Most discord channels saying it's unintended but no confirmation yet
hexed geyser
i guess its too early to tell anything
However i never ever hoped that they will buff something as much as i hope they buff prot warrs honestly
am gutted about the fact that I invested so much time playing one and trying to make it work which it sorta did but flopped hard this week
got myself to 370 ilvl
hexed lion
Yea next week you will have an easier time hopefully
hexed geyser
and still get declined
hexed lion
Tyrannical isn’t as nasty for us
static pilot
Sorry you feel that way mate, in all fairness this week is rough on all the tanks
hexed lion
Happened to me, was in a group boosted the key from a 2 to a 10 then got removed for the 10 because of me being a prot warrior
static pilot
Teeming is just nuts at times
hexed lion
Can’t say I blame them
robust urchin
Oh boy they buffing armored plating
hexed lion
Just sucks
robust urchin
😂
hexed geyser
I think if prot warriors are slightly weaker than other tanks it would be totally fine
static pilot
Hey now, they did make warrior significantly more tanky
hexed geyser
but prot warr is ALOT weaker than lets say a monk or a DK
static pilot
As long as you play arms... In pvp
hexed geyser
well to be fair
there was no real consenquence when you are in def stance
i personally always danced whenever am not being focused I switch to battle stance right away
I would have prefered if it was -15%
not 20%
to nerf something by 10
is huge
static pilot
They nerfed it? I thought they buffed it
hexed geyser
nerfed
static pilot
Oh
hexed geyser
This expansion looked really great for warriors but the further it goes the worse it looks
static pilot
I read it as damage received not damage dealt
Well, we're only a month in
I mean, warrior is a shit show
But there's time to turn it around
hexed geyser
Amen brother
sick sentinel
tbh, just play M+ with a stable group of friends
Yeah, they will give you some shit about you being Prot and you should reroll to DH and DK, but its friends so who cares? 😄
static pilot
I'm lucky in that I have that, I just feel like a burden if I show up on my prot
So for now my warrior is put out to pasture
sick sentinel
I've never felt handicaped for playing Prot tbh
static pilot
I do every time I try to play it. One long frustrating unenjoyable slog
But hey, that's me. People are different and I respect that you can enjoy it even if I can't :)
upbeat folio
Mythic+ this week is a slog.
I love getting sassed by DPS, meanwhile the healer and I look like we've been through some mutually traumatic experience.
static pilot
Tried Motherlode?
cinder roost
Didn't see a massive difficulty in TD
sick sentinel
not yet
static pilot
It's actually not that bad
fair crystal
Ohhh gawd i dont wanna thing about ML on teeming fort
sick sentinel
Maybe it was the CC, but the snake bois with the Water shield
fair crystal
srs
sick sentinel
jeesus
fair crystal
masterminds make me shit myself
cinder roost
Need good cs / stun
static pilot
There is one scary pull with two masterminds + 3-4 regular adds just before the second boss, you're gonna want to cc that
But apart from that not so bad. Didn't notice any extra masterminds anywhere
upbeat folio
Tol Dagor has some shitty pulls right before Howlis. The 2nd to last pull before Valyri is hard, even with the guns.
fair crystal
yeah true well id say there's enough trash in there to not warrant much extra teeming trash
cinder roost
Motherlode went from not bad to nightmare after the cart for me 😄 we were supposed to deathrun x2 but it failed miserably
fair crystal
1 word Zahrahk
cinder roost
And those pack with masterminds etc are brutal
static pilot
I'd definitely bring a shaman or priest to tol dagor, you'll need the purges
fair crystal
Rockthrows
upbeat folio
Dude, wy the hell do rocks hit harder than raid bosses?
fair crystal
IKR
cinder roost
I hate all those rockthrower / hunters type of mobs
upbeat folio
THE TRASH. IT NEVER ENDS.
upbeat folio
I'm not going into wayrcrest again this week.
fair crystal
did a +9 and tbh man i curled into a ball afterward and cryed myself to sleep
static pilot
Seems to work against rocks for riot police
static pilot
Ofc not, my bad
fair crystal
haha
static pilot
I really wish Blizz would sit down and write a comprehensive list of what block does and does not work for
And then stick to it
I remember the first time I realized the hound breath in Antorus is magic... And blockable
cinder roost
We should be able to time Shield Slam when a rock's coming at us to deflect it
fair crystal
breath of the wild style i like it
static pilot
Our new mastery is gonna be dance dance revolution
With a shield
Perfect timing? That's a critical block
Missed a hit? No block for you
But to make it fair to the other tanks each keypress includes a 1.5 GCD
But each attack you take has its own marker. Which attack will you block? Choose wisely
strong forum
that doesnt sound even remotely fun
if you are making stuff up make it atleast be fun
upbeat folio
I don't see this note about critical block
fresh dragon
some1 can link the datamined data for war prot in 8.1?
undone sun
upbeat folio
Taunts no longer increase the threat against the target for a short window of time.
So arbitrary.
raven kernel
obviously warrior changes arent finalized in any way
but it doesn point to devs thinking of reworking our mastery
static pilot
I wouldn't mind losing or reworking crit block
static pilot
It was nice when it happened but so unreliable and you have no control over it
raven kernel
no, because we haven't seen the replacement
prisma night
dude its a ptr note.. its not even close to finalized
static pilot
Ofc there is some kind of new mastery
raven kernel
guess you know nothing about how ptr builds are pulled
static pilot
Otherwise 25% of secondary stats do nothing for us
fresh dragon
with warrior i wont be surprised if the patch notes will be:
• Protection Warrior:
-Oh jesus.. still here? reroll damnit!
raven kernel
with that attitude you should
prisma night
agreed
fresh dragon
ye sure...meanwhile i had to reroll a monk tank coz in mythic its worst than worst
raven kernel
guess you cant play at the level required for warriors in mythic
sick sentinel
If you think you have to reroll from warrior tank to another tank class for Mythic then you're either in a top 20 raiding guild or you're playing your warrior wrong :)
We don't have a Niche, and we're only 95% of what other tanks are, but we ain't that underpowered we can't tank in mythic :)
static pilot
95% is on the generous side I think
We're not unviable but we're certainly not in a good place
sick sentinel
theres bosses in there, where you can go in, and you'll be providing better dmg mitigation than the monk tank with equal gear. Monks are the top tier, so how come we need less healing than them?
fresh dragon
and there shoud not be a required level for warrior protection if there is not for other classes
prisma night
some classes have a higher skill floor than others?
fresh dragon
pls dont be fanboys always covering blizzard shit
odd ridge
Im yet ro see a single fanboy here
raven kernel
its not that warrior isnt good enough for mythic, its that you arent good enough to play warrior in mythic
prisma night
so you want to be able to tank anything at any skill level as any tank?
sounds fun
glad you're not a blizz dev
static pilot
Guys, that's enough
He's unhappy with how Prot is atm, we're unhappy with how Prot is atm
He wants Prot to be better, we want Prot to be better
No point turning on each other
sick sentinel
^^^
ember arrow
sick sentinel
Yes, but people saying we're to weak to tank mythic raiding, is the reason every healer/dps out there with no tank knowledge thinks the same :)
raven kernel
i only care about correcting inaccurate statements
fresh dragon
no.. they continue to says that "we are fine"
raven kernel
not about soothing egos
prisma night
^
sick sentinel
There is a reason why Prot warriors are so little represented in Mythic runs
fresh dragon
man ... we are less than 5% tank in mythic raid.. we are more rare than panda
sick sentinel
And its not because of pugs
prisma night
we aren't in the best place but saying we CAN'T tank mythic is objectively wrong
raven kernel
factually wrong
sick sentinel
clap clap Hisoka
Just because you can do something, doesnt mean you are good at it
raven kernel
just because he can't tank mythic, doesn't mean warriors can't
static pilot
The way I see it Prot warriors are clunky, frustrating, counterintuitive, half-baked and all-round bad. Some. Exceptional players manage to rise above that and still perform with it
fresh dragon
im 2/8 mythic Rei
sick sentinel
Ok, bring a Prot warrio to off-tank a Mythic Fetid
static pilot
Most people can't or won't
raven kernel
i'm 3/8, Lala and Sense are 3/8 or 4/8 too
static pilot
Blizz has acknowledged Prot has issues
sick sentinel
But you'd never do that Sagif, if you have a prot warrior in your team, you'll ask him to Maintank Fetid,.
static pilot
The community certainly has acknowledged that Prot has issues
sick sentinel
But why? Arent all the tanks good enough for Mythic??
raven kernel
and Lala is offtanking mythic fetid
fresh dragon
not exceptional but the problem is not that u can or u cannot its just that some guild want the BEST COMP to less the number of tries
sick sentinel
as he'll do that better tahn the monk, but the monk will take the Trash better.
:thonk:
fresh dragon
and progress faster
raven kernel
@fresh dragon sure and there's nothing wrong with that
i only took issue with your earlier statement
fresh dragon
and for example i was subbed out from ZEK coz a DK (that didnt want) has to tank coz he has MASSGRIP on adds
sick sentinel
Is Protection Warrior feasable for Mythic? Yes:
Is it on par with other tanks? No.
Can other tanks do what we do but better? Yes.
raven kernel
there are only 2 tank spots
prisma night
pretty sure druid was the first 60 or so tanks to clear mythic nh werent they?
raven kernel
there will be 4 specs that are cut out for the "BEST COMP"
actually 5 now since method uses double brew
does that mean all the other 4-5 specs are unviable for mythic?
fuck no?
static pilot
Tbh raids could run with 6 tank spots and most warriors still couldn't get a foot in the door
sick sentinel
I disagree Sagif. For instance, whats the best tanks for Mythic Zek'voz? I'd venture saying prot warrior along side with the DK.
fresh dragon
in tanking i know we are not best with the right rotation but what can i say if some1 tells me "we should use a DK coz he has massgrip"
sick sentinel
your kit is Perfect for that fight, and you're the only tank that'll do 40k DPS over the course of time where silithid warriors are up.
raven kernel
dh grip isnt sufficient for zekvoz
static pilot
DK and DH
raven kernel
its too small
fresh dragon
yes... and what do they do? monk+dk
raven kernel
plus if you use a dh on zekvoz
fresh dragon
monk = damage stagger
raven kernel
you have other problems
static pilot
Really Rei
fresh dragon
dk = utility
static pilot
You of all people are gonna move goalposts?
ember arrow
@fresh dragon
fresh dragon
and ZUL
raven kernel
DH is a really shit choice of tank on zekvoz
raven kernel
i was talking about grips
DK is really good on zekvoz
yes
so?
there are specs that are strongly preferred for different fights
ember arrow
My cotank is dh and hes doing fine rei
raven kernel
its called diversity
0 rogues on mythic ghuun
is rogue a shit class now?
unviable!!!!!
sick sentinel
absolutely. Don't you see all of the rogues rerolling right now. I hear Enh shaman is the hype.
raven kernel
you guys need a wake up call if you expect your class/spec to be the preferred choice on every fight
static pilot
It would be nice if it was the preferred spec for one fight :)
raven kernel
or go play 1 of those asian B Grade mmo s where there's only 1 tank class
static pilot
I'll settle for that :)
mellow bridge
I mean is there a single fight in mythicu ldir where prot is prefered
static pilot
Oh? Go on :)
sick sentinel
Kudaku. Mythic Zek'voz, thats your fight. you're the preffered tank there. Even if your guild don't know it.
raven kernel
prot is good on a number of fights
sick sentinel
@mellow bridge Zek'voz. your kit is peprfect for that fight.
fresh dragon
but its not about "be or not be preferred" just removing the "i have to exclude u" is a wonderful thing
raven kernel
there's 2 tank spots
sick sentinel
We didn't bring a DK tank, we just stacked and ignored the adds coming to hit us.
static pilot
You're not exactly selling it
ember arrow
Players decide to not take u
ember arrow
Not tank spec
fresh dragon
the adds dot in mythic do heavy damage
ember arrow
Dk can immune void lash
fresh dragon
so its important to kill them fast
ember arrow
U sure about that
static pilot
Either way it's a moot point for me, my warrior is out to pasture for the time being
reef fulcrum
So many m+ rejections because of being prot 😔
fresh dragon
well for the ZEK tank switch we applied a "tentacle -> hit" and swith and other tank takes the other tentacle hit.. less dangerous for both tanks
sick sentinel
Why? if you have a warrior and your other tank ain't all bad, its simpler just letting the warrior take the entire combo, and take most of them.
static pilot
I just think it would be nice if I could look into Skyhold and not see every conversation go:
A: man, Prot is really bad
B, C, D: NNO YOU'RE BAF FOR PLAYING PROT GOOD
sick sentinel
all it takes is shieldblock up, demo shout and spell reflect on void lash.
fresh dragon
Tallstar why taking risk? a warrior with 50% healing for so few seconds its not a problem
static pilot
I get the message you're trying to give but it's not gonna work when you just attack people
ember arrow
@static pilot acherus is safer isnt it
fresh dragon
i Spell Reflect first tentacle, SB on hit... dont need to use big CD like LS or SW at all
sick sentinel
Noone here is arguing that prot warrior is in a bad spot, and should get a bit of love, but frmo there to saying we can't tank mythics is wrong.
stone tusk
i actaully changed from arms to prot to get into more mythic+ groups boy was that a bad idea haha
static pilot
Pop in here and people are tearing each other's heads off about a subject that they basically agree about
fresh dragon
with complete combo i had to use LS always on second tentacle coz not refulled so fast (we dont have pally healer)
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
static pilot
Um, I am
undone sun
daily conversation in here now
fresh dragon
ofc entire combo i use also DS
static pilot
Unless that was a typo
fresh dragon
dont need it
ember arrow
Marok announced hes proud os skyhold
fresh dragon
with SB i reach 80% healt
ember arrow
fair crystal
yeah theres no need to to tbh
sick sentinel
So anyone coming in saying prot warrior can't tank in mythic uldir in the current state is wrong. and if thats all they're trying to state then they shouldn't bother spending their breath writing it.
static pilot
Noone here is arguing that prot warrior is in a bad spot <---- this part i mean
raven kernel
i last stand the combos so i can IP all 3 hits
fresh dragon
tentacle incoming => SR + IP
melee incoming => SB + IP
healt = 70-80% remaning..
raven kernel
plus SR on the 3rd
fresh dragon
yes but ofter the 2nd tentacle hit boss stop himself casting
sick sentinel
Theres a huge distance between being in a bad spot and being useless. I see people spitting out the claim that we're useless, and that's wrong, so we have an obligation to educate them.
fresh dragon
the "void zones"
:V
so have debuff with no damage
incoming so if the tank switch happen the other tank has 50% healt reduction but no damage
static pilot
Do you normally learn best when beaten by the verbal equivalent of a 2 by 4?
Don't go 'warrior is fine you just ducjinfnsuck'
raven kernel
thats the truth
static pilot
...
sick sentinel
@static pilot And can you quite where I said that?
static pilot
Rei literally just did
raven kernel
the truth is your skill isnt up to par
sick sentinel
tough love
sick sentinel
Because we like the class?
fair crystal
its the true tho iv done 10s its def harder than my DK but its doable
static pilot
And I'm saying you'll have a much better chance of getting your point across if you don't try to stab it through his forehead
raven kernel
i play all 3 specs on warrior not solely prot
sick sentinel
Tbh, I had absolitely no problems doing +10s and surviving
raven kernel
and i enjoy the class as a whole
static pilot
People aren't gonna focus on your message if it's wrapped up in insults
raven kernel
so no reason for me to switch
sick sentinel
@ember arrow Its called loyalty.
fair crystal
Preach Rei
fresh dragon
Rei this is a pointless sentence.. IF even blizz admit they have to buff war prot MEANS that SOMETHING is wrong? otherwise they wont do that. IF 95% of the war prot complain MEANS that something is wrong too. Too easy say "u are not able to play warrior" like as war prot is a ELITE class that only choosen ones can play and others have to STFU
fair crystal
Love for the class bro 😄
ember arrow
@sick sentinel loyalty?
static pilot
I love Prot enough to not play it right now
raven kernel
i've never said prot warrior is perfect and needs no changes
static pilot
Best thing I could do for it
raven kernel
YOU were saying prot isnt viable in mythic
fresh dragon
NO
raven kernel
which is factually wrong
ember arrow
So no reason to play prot then
sturdy inlet
In its current state its just frustrating to play imho
sick sentinel
@ember arrow ye. if everyone just swaps away, why should we expect anythign to change?
fresh dragon
i said that war prot is NOT PREFERIBLE in mythic
static pilot
Well, second best. Best would be to cancel my sub but I'm not there quite yet
sturdy inlet
Viable maybe, fun hell no
sick sentinel
just go do Warfronts, people
they are fun
AFK for 20 minutes and get a free transmog
undone sun
🤔
fresh dragon
and i feel so bad when i die.. i dunno you but when u got killed in that seconds that u have all in CDs
i fell frustrated. checked external cd.. all red in exorsus (used)
healtstone used
sick sentinel
That don't really hapen to me so I can't say how that feels Takkero.
Maybe you are not managing your CDs properly
Anger Management is godlike to me
static pilot
@Tallstar people not playing the class is the number 1 clue that there is a problem
sturdy inlet
Maybe prot warrior is just bad?
sick sentinel
I feel powerfull when I use my cds'. Its when you run out and are outside your SB window that I feel the issue.
SB + SB + Last Stand +SB + SB, etc
fresh dragon
well our rotations is not so complicated:
static pilot
If everybody. Complain about island expeditions but do them anyway its a low priority problem
static pilot
If everybody complains about island expeditions and nobody play them it's a high. Priority. Problem
sturdy inlet
Ignore pain isnt even close to SB for damage reduction
fresh dragon
u are speaking like playing agains Patchwerk
sick sentinel
But having nothing vs. having Ignore pain + Demo Shout
fresh dragon
ignoring EXTERNAL DAMAGE
that can happen for others error
for example The eyeray from ZEK
caused by a melee on u
sick sentinel
You don't need more rage than you're getting right now
Avatar?
TC spam?
Demo shout?
sick sentinel
You wanna get to 200 rage?
sturdy inlet
and you can react to things now
sick sentinel
Who said raiding had to be relaxing? go play tetris.
fresh dragon
Who said raiding had to be HELL?
sturdy inlet
Go stick to warrior ;p
sick sentinel
Raiding isnt hell, tbh
sturdy inlet
In its current state
sick sentinel
Nothing is hell if you are having fun
Raiding ain't hell.
If you are not having fun go do something else
raven kernel
fun is entirely subjective
odd ridge
Same, sagif
fresh dragon
thats the anwer that child says when they have nothing else to anwer "go play something else"
static pilot
That's the thing though, a lot of people used to have fun as Prot - and now they dont
sturdy inlet
me 2 but not on a prot warrior
fresh dragon
we are just DISCUSSING about war prot
sick sentinel
I like the prot warrior as it is now. its tough to play and challenging.
static pilot
Some quit, some reroll, some try to ride it out
fresh dragon
and a game first of all HAS TO BE FUN
sick sentinel
and you have to make many choices and boss eats you alive when you make the wrong one.
fresh dragon
otherwise is not a game anymore
i think we are all here coz we ALL LIKE to play warrior prot
static pilot
Well, used to
sturdy inlet
If Prot warrior is fun to play again i will dump my BDK in a second
static pilot
^
raven kernel
then there will be BDK mains complaining in acherus
fresh dragon
reputation (90/100 exalted)
sick sentinel
ex dee
sturdy inlet
I dont raid that often mostly m+
tribal valley
i hate the fact that prot war is the worst tank atm
odd ridge
lmao
static pilot
There will always be some people that complain, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be unhappy with the current state of prot
sick sentinel
Thats the whole point!
sturdy inlet
People should try another tank
sick sentinel
No its not. but from there to say we're useless and people have to play another tank class is a marathon.
There are things that need to be improved, but we are far from not being able to do hard content
tribal valley
other classes have such better mitigations imo
sturdy inlet
And see how its differend
raven kernel
excuse me
raven kernel
mitigation?
fresh dragon
u stagger ALL DAMAGE
tribal valley
i agree sagif, can still do hard stuff
raven kernel
static pilot
Personally I don't care where it falls on the ranking as long as it's good enough to do the content I enjoy (which it is) and I find the gameplay engaging and enjoyable (which I do not)
sick sentinel
@tribal valley Wait what?. how do you define better mitigation? you'll take less dmg ona warrior than on a monk.
sturdy inlet
Thats taloc
fresh dragon
and even remove the remaining damage :V
sturdy inlet
He only autoattacks you
raven kernel
yeah
sturdy inlet
We are talking about m+ as well
fresh dragon
monk "what is spike damage?" 😄
sturdy inlet
not only mitigation
sick sentinel
big if true
raven kernel
🤔
static pilot
DKs
sick sentinel
Rei, you are onto something there
tribal valley
@sick sentinel DH's less dmg then on a monk? how?
sick sentinel
investigate
raven kernel
idk man people cant figure it out
tribal valley
@sick sentinel i mean, if u pop every cd yeah probably
fresh dragon
and just to be clear... monk damage staggering is a permantly passive not an ability on use 😄
sick sentinel
I just found out about Shield Block 3 days ago
odd ridge
dont you mean shield wall?
sick sentinel
Its a /s
sturdy inlet
Btw statistics about prot warriors say enough imho
sick sentinel
sarcarsm 😄
sturdy inlet
Btw shieldwall
odd ridge
i know :/
tribal valley
lol
sturdy inlet
Whenever you drop below 35%
raven kernel
statistically only like 10-15% of prot warriors are any good
sick sentinel
Tbh, % should be higher now
static pilot
Which in itself is perhaps a red flag
raven kernel
yes
sick sentinel
Fotm people rerolling DH
raven kernel
agreed
wouldnt blame them
i had a dh alt for 2 weeks in bfa launch
dumped it after that
was pretty dogshit to play it
sturdy inlet
i have cleared 10+s with my prot warrior but it goes way smoother as a dk
sick sentinel
Maybe you play better DK than Prot?
sturdy inlet
Hmm i am playing warrior since WotLK
sick sentinel
Like, if I picked up my paladin and went to do a +10, I would get shreded
sturdy inlet
and did 20+s in legion
tribal valley
im playing prot warrior atm, i skipped MoP-WoD-Legion but back in wotlk i was so happy with how the warrior was, tanking side i mean.
sick sentinel
Warrior, feel fine
static pilot
Sagif, look around you