I was literally just mashing the shit out of it
#protection
chilly brook
Anything that actually shows the changes (if there even are any) for prot warrior?
broken kite
Bye mastery
tiny sphinx
a baked in old legendary effect would be super, hell at this point ill take any of them
iron forum
that's reasonable, i can agree with that but i think that was the lesser of two evils compared to it being on the gcd
sick sentinel
@chilly brook not yet, soon
ember crest
It forces a choice between threat and defense, and I get that, but we already are supposed to make that choice based on resource and timing, not GCD prio
winged elm
I'd like charge off the GCD, Silence back on heroic throw (with CD of some type obv). Bake Leggo bracers into kit some how.
chilly brook
I mean IP on gcd doesn’t affect us at all with how it works
old night
100% agree juggs
tiny sphinx
i'd like one offensive cd off the global too please
old night
I feel so much slower because of that
iron forum
also commanding shout off the gcd? like what the fuck were they thinking with that one lol
chilly brook
Charge is on a separate gcd and is really a nonissue
chrome falcon
The current iteration of IP (fixed cost for a bigger shield) is better on the GCD. The old IP worked better off the GCD.
chrome falcon
Legendary bracers would be GARBAGE for BFA prot warrior
Think about how you spend your rage now
chilly brook
Which is basically a separate gcd 🤔
undone sun
no
chrome falcon
We generate far less and spend it ALL on the GCD
undone sun
Legion IP was on a separate GCD
real monolith
iron forum
well yeah, theyd need to be tuned differently of course but i think its about the idea not the numbers
undone sun
100% didn't affect other spells
chrome falcon
Bracers were good when you could hit demo shout and quickly dump that rage into IPs for a big heal nuke
undone sun
Charge affects other spells with a half gcd
chrome falcon
You can't do that anymore
ember crest
Oh, how about giving us a scorpion chain to pull mobs, these DG mechanics are getting old
chilly brook
Literally have yet to have charge on gcd affect me
winged elm
We need some sort of self sustain or equiv compared to every other tank
undone sun
regardless if it affects you
chrome falcon
Charge change is a little bit annoying but also not the worst thing in the world
Like you guys have to understand the spec has core problems in its rotation and resource generation/spending
winged elm
4 piece t21 + 2 piece T20 with bracers was disgusting healing
frosty wedge
charge change?
chilly brook
Again half gcd means it doesn’t prevent you from casting anything by the time you get to the target
chrome falcon
We shouldn't be asking for changes to our utility spells on the GCD
We need core changes to the spec
chilly brook
Self healing is something we don’t need
old night
@winged elm thinking back to that endless rage and the healing i did. I used to outheal all but 1 healer on felhounds.
real monolith
honestly im happy if they remove never surrender and ravager
and put in good talents
chrome falcon
You look at something like BDK or VDH and all their spells weave into each other, everything has a place and a reason.
We just have a pile of abilities that spend rage, and a pile of abilities that generate them
winged elm
When we are pretty much the only tank without healing, then what is our niche?
chilly brook
If you want anything off the gcd Demo Shout or Avatar are good places to start
winged elm
We're a liability
chilly brook
🤔
chrome falcon
The GCD changes don't mean shit
chilly brook
Boi
chrome falcon
They're not the important thing.
chilly brook
Do you even tank?
iron forum
if not self healing, damage reduction that scales with damage intake would be nice. sure, block is a % of damage, but every other tank spec afaik has self heals (or stagger) that becomes more effective when youre taking damage, which we don't have anymore with the rage generation changes
chilly brook
Self healing is not a requirement to properly tank
real monolith
warriors are one of the best white hit tanks, prob the 2nd best next to monk
tiny sphinx
it's not but it should be an option
chilly brook
We gave great mitigation tbh
real monolith
you just have to play entirely proactively
chrome falcon
^
chilly brook
Which isn’t new
tiny sphinx
at least ONE of the old legendary effects ought to be baked in or a talent
real monolith
and a lot of tanks just dont, which makes people think warrior sucks
chrome falcon
If you play well as prot in raids your damage taken is very low
real monolith
but in reality warrior players just suck
chrome falcon
If you get caught out or fuck up, you are INSTANTLY dead
real monolith
yeah we run brm prot and honestly is a non issue outside of fetid rn
chrome falcon
Yeah we're the same
iron forum
idk man the whole "warriors are good but the palyers are bad" argument just doesn't float when none of the top guilds/ players in the world are running warriors at all
chrome falcon
You talking about fetid mythic?
ember crest
Prot war imo has a high skill cap and if played perfect is decent for physical damage eg white hits like what was said before
real monolith
that was the same in legion, every top guild played bear monk
old night
blood dk/prot warr combo here. We barely take any damage
frosty wedge
it does... the best guilds min-max
real monolith
doesn't mean warriors weren't great
chilly brook
I must be such a liability I’m surprised I even have this
chrome falcon
Who do you have main tanking boss? @real monolith
prisma crane
but heroic kills don't mean anything
real monolith
our prot main tanks mother, taloc and most others
chrome falcon
What happens? Prot just gets blown up by Thrashes or?
real monolith
yeah
but he was also misusing cd's
hasn't happened since he rolls them better now
chrome falcon
We're talking mythic btw right?
winged elm
Heroic doesn't matter
real monolith
oh nah week 1 heroic fetid, ever since week 1 nothing has been an issue
plain vapor
Reinforced Plating Strength increased by 10%.
real monolith
i cant even tell the difference in raids
astral crystal
stop memeing
chrome falcon
Yeah Stix I was getting absolutely nuked on first week fetid, but we had 30 people
astral crystal
rofl
lunar pike
don't scare me like that 😮
chrome falcon
@plain vapor You literally made me shit my pants, you owe me £20 for a new pair
lean arch
how many stacks of bleed can you guys take on h zul before it's just death?
chilly brook
@prisma crane @winged elm I guess you should tell Marok he’s doing progression wrong then downing Mythic bosses as prot
real monolith
isn't that the leech ip one?
chrome falcon
@lean arch I cry on voice for more externals at 4
plain vapor
thats a DH trait
grizzled pecan
@real monolith That's Bloodsport
lean arch
our tank can't take 2 without falling over :/
real monolith
ah true
willow junco
So they are removing our mastery?
plain vapor
the zul dot hurts
real monolith
all i know is the icons
chrome falcon
@lean arch Link their logs
plain vapor
@lean arch can take up to 3 with shield wall possibly
chrome falcon
It is a really scary debuff
chrome falcon
That lasts a long fuckin time
plain vapor
i run mine out at 2-3 and then call for bop
winged elm
I didn't say Prot war is unplayable in mythic
real monolith
it's hard cause every other tank can play reactively, brm purifies big hits, bdk death strike, veng soul cleave, pally lotp
but prot has no reactive button
winged elm
But there's a reason you see double BM or BM/Guard
prisma crane
@chilly brook you missed my point, linking heroic achieves proves/disproves nothing was my point
real monolith
more than guard
static pilot
so from what I can tell they buffed 1 warrior azerite trait
real monolith
you barely see guard
static pilot
Reinforced Plating
chrome falcon
@lean arch His healing taken seems very low leading up to his death on the log you just linked
prisma crane
just because a tank can kill something doesnt mean it's not in need of help
chilly brook
Life as prot is really hard guys
chrome falcon
@lean arch Your healers literally need to be dickriding your tanks in that phase the damage is stupid
open bluff
fierce juniper
Reinforced Plating is still gonna be one of the bottom traits, but at least they're closing the gap between the best and worst traits I guess.
open bluff
i know it's ptr but still, bit of an odd thing to remove in the first build
real monolith
feels bad
undone sun
Regarding the PTR changes: It is likely that the changes to taunt are just tooltip updates, no need to panic until we know more.
ember crest
Someone asked about h zul earlier as well I'd like to know the stacks and how they transition to p2 picking up zul as prot war, we are having to ping pong with bop and cancel aura plus movement abilities
chrome falcon
@chilly brook what exactly is that link trying to prove i'm really confused
undone sun
pin that
static pilot
they've changed taunt? How exactly?
final mist
ember crest
Someone asked about h zul earlier as well I'd like to know the stacks and how they transition to p2 picking up zul as prot war, we are having to ping pong with bop and cancel aura plus movement abilities
chilly brook
@open bluff wtf?!?!
astral crystal
if 10% increase to reinforced plating is the mentality blues are going into helping prot out then we're DOOMED bois
open bluff
not worth getting upset about yet
undone sun
@static pilot https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnpuiKwU0AAAHgC.jpg:large
prisma crane
@chrome falcon he's flexing, trying to use it to prove that we're a-ok where we're at
chilly brook
I mean tbh it kinda is imo
undone sun
likely just a tooltip change
static pilot
thanks Thyme
open bluff
they're probably trying a few things: remember lore did say they weren't 100% on what kind of changes prot would get
static pilot
yeah, Im not too worried about that
undone sun
wont know yet till further information is given
open bluff
so they could be testing something on PTR
old night
@ember crest that was me if that conversation happened like 4 hours ago
final mist
It's likely nothing more than a datamine error, the PTR isn't actually up so we can't test anything.
DO NOT PANIC.
chrome falcon
@lean arch Ok yeah that's mostly on your healers. In the 5 seconds leading up to his death your tanks main healer was HUNTER PETS
chilly brook
@chrome falcon apparently no content here matters according to him
lean arch
@chrome falcon could be possible. they let people with 2 stacks die to omega vector with no other damage
lucid kelp
Question. And maybe I just suck but. On average I definitely take LESS damage than other tanks, especially the DK I normally tank with. I take less damage, and mitagte more damage.....but I die more. Is it accurate to say that Prot's mitigation is just...incosistent? or am I just bad at playing it?
plain vapor
everyone panic!
undone sun
🗞
static pilot
it is consistent
but the other thing is that the DK is better at predicting when he'll drop low and compensate for it
chilly brook
Because the argument seems to be because prot actually takes some brain to play that everything else is better because they can screw up all the time and be fine
final mist
Anyone trolling, or spreading false doomsday shit from now until PTR is actually up, you're getting a nice vacation.
real monolith
you're basically a slave to a good healer, if you have a mw monk you should be fine
static pilot
healing Prot warriors is scary because they'll be trucking along nice and easy and then suddenly all their mitigation is on CD and they go BAM BAM BAM dead
real monolith
prot warrior mita on cd
chrome falcon
@lucid kelp Either you are bad or your healers are bad. If you are mitigating properly and dying then ask your healers for more heals/externals
real monolith
🤔
old night
@final mist 🙌
real monolith
not rolling cd's right then
prisma crane
@chilly brook i've never taken that stance, tanks should be balanced around proper play, weighting balance towards low end skill is pointless
prisma crane
we don't need the huge reaction gifs either
winged elm
Damage taken
final mist
@chilly brook None of that.
static pilot
Sal, is it possible to put people on a chat ignore list in discord?
final mist
Yes, block them.
chilly brook
Yes you can block someone
static pilot
okay, thanks 😃
fierce juniper
@lucid kelp Prot requires pretty precise play, and as such is pretty unforgiving. So yeah if you play perfectly you'll be very tanky, but messing up AM/CD usage is way more punishing for Prot than it is for some other specs.
chrome falcon
@winged elm Can you link us the proper logs
chrome falcon
Depending on the fight you shouldn't be taking more damage than BDK
real monolith
if you panic press your cd's you just die
chrome falcon
I still accidentally pop SBs during LS
lucid kelp
I definitely panic CD more often than I should...I should work on that
real monolith
right
chrome falcon
Hard habit to get out of
plain vapor
i do too
lean arch
@chrome falcon we kind of just let our healers manage themselves. it looks like maybe someone needs to step in and direct them, sadly
real monolith
i always used last stand as an archimondes hatred activator
plain vapor
and i cringe when i do it by accident too
real monolith
kek
chilly brook
I would certainly hope I took more damage than the DK that soaked bloods
chrome falcon
Can you relink the logs @lean arch ? I closed them
prisma crane
@winged elm you have to look at uptime, there's a massive disparity there
lucid kelp
Another thing I need to work on is Proper Shield Block using....Example being Zek'voz...i often SHield block as soon as I taunt....but as soon as It aunt he's still casting Void tendrils so there's nothing to block for a few seconds
chilly brook
Not to mention damage taken that fight is entirely on how many people actually stack for the tank ability
winged elm
The point people are making is, yes you can use a Prot warrior for all the mythic fight, but there's a reason all the top pushing guilds were not.
chilly brook
Because prot isn’t conducive to 9 hour raids?
static pilot
given enough gear and time anything can clear anything
final mist
Because Prot is both harder to play and dies easier than something like a BRM.
chilly brook
Less chance of messing up=more relavent to world first
chilly brook
Relevant*
final mist
Sick of this same arguement that's had 24/7.
winged elm
Prot isn't top pick to raids or M+
final mist
Yes, Prot can do it, no that doesn't still mean it's good.
chilly brook
It’s not like I’m the one who brings it up
chrome falcon
@lean arch Ok there is some really weird stuff in here. Your priest is healing themselves a MASSIVE amount (are they taking all the pools or something?). The healer that is focusing your prot warrior the most is one of your... resto druids?
You want your MW and H pala SOLELY focusing on tank healing in p2. The other guys can handle the raid with tranqs, hymns and the occasional revival.
chilly brook
I’m only addressing it
static pilot
the exact reason why I asked about blocking
grim prism
I actually just popped in and was about to say the samw thing
static pilot
I can only see that "70% DS uptime" screenshot posted so many times
final mist
You address it by going, "Lmao, I've done it, we're amazing" and then you link your logs.
prisma crane
our gripe with your stance is that you make it sound like we don't need any help or changes
final mist
That's not addressing it.
chilly brook
I’ve never said that
winged elm
Is prot even top 3 in raids or M+ atm?
static pilot
it's log-based masturbation
chilly brook
I’ve said we need changes before
final mist
It's your attitude.
static pilot
and worse, it's public masturbation
grim prism
@winged elm does it matter?
prisma crane
@winged elm outside of top 4 atm
lean arch
@chrome falcon the priest usually just stands in stuff
chilly brook
My attitude of actually enjoying the class and not acting like it’s all doom and gloom for the class?
winged elm
What's prot's niche then? Islands?
red sequoia
anyone else notice the removal of crit block?
chrome falcon
@winged elm We're the... second worst? In m+, and I think the worst in raids. VDH might be worse in raids. I dunno I don't think that's a very useful metric to look at
iron forum
okay @static pilot i didn't realize this was the kinkshame discord now, smh
winged elm
at least you use VDH for Zul
grim prism
Prot's niche is facetanking big melee pulls, we just are bad at it 
static pilot
lol! Feel free to do it in discord devoted to that ^^
prisma crane
well, i think our representation in raids is much worse than our actual ability, fwiw
static pilot
public faptimes is strictly #off-topic
chilly brook
Excuse me for not shitting on the class and spec that I happen to be in the discord for
chrome falcon
I'm top 10 EU prot warrior for m+ and pushing ok mythic progress (we started a little slow) and I think we're fine, we just need our abilities to have a little bit more synergy.
red sequoia
the skill floor is much higher than other tanks is part of the problem
chrome falcon
Like we definitely need help outside of "10% armour and hp"
final mist
No one else shits on it either, it's how you talk to people that I've taken an issue with.
chrome falcon
2 of our abilities feel very low impact (devestate and revenge) and need more synergy with the kit
Honestly I'll be happy at thatp oint
grim prism
But really though, it's VIABLE in mythic raid and +10s, and now we have buffs(?) coming, so i dont see why it's really an issue that needs to keep being beaten to death
prisma crane
@red sequoia i disagree, i think having a class that can shine when played well is great, but it needs to shine lol
winged elm
I'd like to see a return to the old slow number on Thunder Clap so we can at least kite outside of AM and CD's
chilly brook
I’ll just remove my “toxic” ass
red sequoia
you have to play near perfect to be on par tho
weary notch
I can't believe we actually got a blue post. That alone is flabbergasting
iron forum
just because its viable doesn't mean its okay. Technically anything is viable, but if youre a raid leader and you have two equal candidates, one playing a better class than the other, youre not going to choose the weaker one just because its still "viable"
grim prism
@prisma crane @red sequoia you guys are both saying the same thing lol
prisma crane
they nerfed a lot of slows Juggs, i think an effort to make classes with strong slows have utility
chrome falcon
@winged elm It would be nice if our TC talent also buffed the slow. Kind of like Prot Pally has
pine totem
is there any hope for prot atm :(?
chrome falcon
Yes
red sequoia
mastery change
chrome falcon
We press thunder clap and it does a shitload of damage
We don't need anything more than that
ember crest
haha
weary notch
they just announced buffs. We don't know anything further
exotic tiger
please don't nerf thundergod warriors
grim prism
Ffs
exotic tiger
pressing avatar feels amazing
red sequoia
looking at the spell changes crit block is gone for now
pine totem
thunderclap damage reduced by 40%
chrome falcon
When I pull like 20k dps on mythic zekvoz add waves I don't even give a shit about being squishy or low on healing
grim prism
Its like people are allergic ro reading
winged elm
The slow feels too weak, you can't out run mobs with it on them short of actually using leap or charging to something else
weary notch
where are you seeing spell changes?
grim prism
@weary notch its fake
ember crest
its not real
pine totem
😦
grim prism
@pine totem stop QQing
ember crest
never trust a tree
iron forum
we should wait until the ptr is actually up before we start jumping to conclusions, all we know for certain now is that were getting some kind of buffs coming up at some point soon
prisma crane
^
red sequoia
winged elm
We're talking about what would actually be a good addition or change
chrome falcon
The buffs are in a tuning hotfix
winged elm
What they can realistically do
chrome falcon
Presumably any spell changes will be on PTR
red sequoia
ignore pain will be buffed for the hotfix
grim prism
^
prisma crane
our aoe taunt is to hit avatar
red sequoia
not much else they can do to really help
tiny sphinx
red sequoia
without a patch
exotic tiger
honestly avatar is such a satisfying cooldown, I'd legit be sad if they changed it
undone sun
grim prism
@exotic tiger why would they announce defensive buffs and then nerf avatar on a spec only 5% of people even play
tiny sphinx
would love to have offensives off the global so it doesn't feel like upwards of 3-10% of its duration is wasted, but eh
winged elm
I'm still feeling a good change would be silence back on heroic throw (with a cd obv), some sort of IP tweak, maybe make the intervene fantasy more a mechanic to help your co tank.
lean arch
@chrome falcon thanks. i'll have a chat with the healers about things.
merry cave
lol leap resetting taunt id definately what we needed 😂
exotic tiger
@grim prism I said change, not nerf
final mist
Leap already resets Taunt.
winged elm
I also really really miss charge stunning
plain vapor
thats saved my ass lots of times
grim prism
chrome falcon
All good. Zul is really fucking hard to tank in p2 especially with a big group. Your tank needs to have a plan of which CDs to pop at 2 stacks and which externals to call for after that. @lean arch
digital arrow
chrome falcon
I need to go farm the Doomed Crown of Lei Shen for my m+ runs
weary notch
yeah, those notes look weird. I highly doubt they're going to just straight up remove our mastery
chrome falcon
And just thunderclap my dick off
exotic tiger
SubbzToday at 12:36 AM
honestly avatar is such a satisfying cooldown, I'd legit be sad if they changed it
red sequoia
@tiny sphinx i saw that, but imo changing our mastery would open up some freedom to make other changes
it just scales too well
exotic tiger
I clarified what I said
chrome falcon
Honestly I could see our mastery change being something similar to mannoroth bracers
tiny sphinx
im not entirely in disagreement
exotic tiger
don't be penantic
tiny sphinx
but i say why not bolth?
chrome falcon
There could also be no mastery changes and this is just a tooltip thing
red sequoia
yeah gotta wait for the ptr to open up
chrome falcon
When does it come up?
red sequoia
who knows
chrome falcon
Or is it just whenever
final mist
Regarding the PTR changes: PTR is not actually up yet, it's possible / likely that these are just datamine errors because of the tooltip changes. Please be patient.
lucid kelp
I want.....our mastery to be a % increase to the number of heroic leaps we get and then just stack mastery and have 10 Leap's. That'd be fun. Useful? no. But fun
grizzled pecan
That would sooner be fury than prot
lucid kelp
Kite tank!
grim prism
Right
iron forum
this entire discord channel just feels like a bunch of pigeons that blizzard is throwing bread crumbs to right now
merry cave
@final mist well holy shit, i've never even noticed that O_O
chrome falcon
Maybe our new mastery reduces Ravager CD
prisma crane
mastery increasing our leadership aura that improves potency of nearby teammates, that'd be sick, like a support tank
chrome falcon
100% uptime on ravager incoming
red sequoia
i feel like we could use tome talent changes just to give some choice, like take indomitable out and put in a talent that mimics mannoroth's bracers or something
ember crest
prot warrior confirmed EQ1 bard
tiny sphinx
mastery increases battleshout %
iron forum
ravager would have to be one monster of a spell to be worth taking over AM or HR
chrome falcon
If Ravager rooted everything it hit
steel mauve
i feel like the paladin would be more of a support tank than a warrior for lore wise
exotic tiger
@red sequoia I like that idea
chrome falcon
I still wouldn't take it
lucid kelp
I don't think I'd take anything over AM
prisma crane
^
lucid kelp
the CD reduction is just too good
half merlin
inb4 nerf to AM
iron forum
as it currently stands yeah, AM and bolster are just too important to our rotation
prisma crane
it's the one thing we have that makes our kit feel like we can eek more out of it if we play better
chrome falcon
Like I think they have a lot of plans for Prot that didn't make it to launch
And we'll see that on the PTR
tribal fox
Get rage per Hit we take Talent would be a funny mastery
prisma crane
that's why i loved the rage machine that was T21, we could literally watch our CDs go down
chrome falcon
It's still so weird to me that they had this cool design for prot in legion and then changed it to something totally different a few months later
weary notch
they were clearly trying some incarnation of prot that didn't involve Ignore Pain, which is fine by me
chrome falcon
I liked both styles it's just weird they flipped between them so fast
lost mauve
So critical block is gone
prisma crane
it's not gone
final mist
Regarding the PTR changes: PTR is not actually up yet, it's possible / likely that these are just datamine errors because of the tooltip changes. Please be patient.
chrome falcon
The mastery probably isn't changed
prisma crane
nothing has actually changed
red sequoia
not gone officially, just something datamined
weary notch
we don't know there's going to be a mastery change
undone sun
prisma crane
it's an early PTR note
weary notch
those notes look suspect
lucid kelp
Even if they Did remove crit block...Bolster would still be ridiculously strong.
ember arrow
Soo tzunt doesnt increase threat?
undone sun
it's BFA alpha all over again
steel mauve
i really wouldnt even take datamined info with a grain of salt honestly
iron forum
yeah they actually took IP out of prot for awhile during beta, from what i heard from Preach he actually really liked how it felt then
prisma crane
oh man, i cant wait for BFA release, omegahype
grizzled pecan
These PTR notes are literally Blizzard's dart board ideas right now
undone sun
right now
you must be new 😄
grim prism
it's permanent prepatch in here, i swear
grizzled pecan
Ehh slightly new
red sequoia
i liked how it played without IP but with bolster being an active armor buff
winged elm
My wish list:
-Add silence back to Heroic Throw
-Add a AoE stun back to Charge
-Add more gameplay involving Intervene and Co-Tank interactions
-Tweak IP to feel less shitty (change functionality)
-Potentially make Thunder Clap slow stronger
-Add some sort of Sustain ablilty (Via talents or w/e)
-Charge off GCD (just because I personally feel less reactive)
Stretch Goal: Make Heroic Leap's landing radius be an AoE taunt.
grizzled pecan
to the channel/discord
undone sun
it was pretty much like that all alpha and beta for bfa
exotic tiger
god forbid people talk about possible protection changes, in the protection discord channel
you savages
lucid kelp
Am I mistaken or did like...3 or 4 expansions ago didn't Shield Slam remove magic effects?
prisma crane
the idea of leap land as an aoe taunt is kinda neat
grizzled pecan
when glyphed, yes
lean arch
shield slam was a purge, yes
prisma crane
not anything massive, but a neat idea
lucid kelp
we should get that back xD
chrome falcon
Shield slam used to purge and it was INSANELY broken in PvP
red sequoia
it removed ALL buff iirc
chrome falcon
No it was only 1
tiny sphinx
slamming multiple times to get rid of holy word shields, good times...
weary notch
but as much as I would love a total rework, if they gave us silence on Heroic Throw every 15 sec and say a % dmg reduction addition to Vangaurd, I'd be content(ish)
red sequoia
lol
steel mauve
i want to wait till 3 sunders again
pine totem
mmm prot warrior in wrath
soft kindle
Fuck off with that
chilly brook
Bring back execute
chrome falcon
yeah dude make prot the only class with sunder armour
undone sun
Legion IP or riot
chrome falcon
then they'll HAVE to bring us
pine totem
aoe spell reflect 😃
undone sun
Legion SR or riot
weary notch
Legion IP and I will riot
chrome falcon
Legion SR or riot for REAL
tiny sphinx
i was happy with barrier from pandaria days =/
soft kindle
T21 or riot?
undone sun
yup
weary notch
Legion IP was awful. Reflective plating was great
steel mauve
i was legit excited to try out the IP they had where it took your rage instead of a shield
robust meteor
Id like to see silence back on heroic throw in pve only
weary notch
T21 was awful
soft kindle
Thyme for president 2024
chrome falcon
@undone sun It baffles me that the "SR reflects infinite spells" didn't make it to BFA. It was SUCH a nice QoL change
tiny sphinx
bring back vengeance tanking
undone sun
legion ip was 1000% better than current
sick sentinel
Sco maining warrior again or riot
undone sun
gross
weary notch
I don't agree with that at all
undone sun
sco
chilly brook
I personally prefer current Ip
ember arrow
Who cares
exotic tiger
nah legion IP was deffo better, even if it was clunky
chilly brook
Current just doesn’t last long enough
sick sentinel
Shield1: Crit+Ver (ilv355) or Shield2: Haste+Mastery (il350) -- how much more valuable is block/stam?
steel mauve
always higher ilvl shield
exotic tiger
I'm a fan of bringing back stance dancing
undone sun
IP used to give you survivability
exotic tiger
imo
red sequoia
bring back rage gen on damage taken
chilly brook
But you could have impact if it absorbed say 3x as much overall
mossy cairn
Hello, is a gem socket worth 10+ iLvl ? Just got 350 gloves with same stats as my currently 340 but without a socket, so I'm wondering
sick sentinel
Realistically what do you think they do Thyme?
prisma crane
i prefer legion IP, actually felt like it stopped dmg, but it's because it did heh, but with it's current scaling, changing to 90% wont actually play much differently
tiny sphinx
i don't mind the % IP damage difference, i mind the value per rage spent difference
chilly brook
And not change the absorb %
undone sun
@mossy cairn no
chrome falcon
@mossy cairn Socket is worth more on rings/cloaks, but not high impact armour like gloves
lucid kelp
I mean making it 90% wont change anything when even at 50% it still falls off in 1 hit.
chilly brook
If it stayed a 50% absorb with its absorb cap going up to say 90k it’d be impactful
iron forum
i honestly like it only absorbing 50% better, smooths out our damage taken a lot more
mossy cairn
Okay thanks !
chilly brook
Very impactful
undone sun
no clue @sick sentinel ,they're incredibly unpredictable as of late
iron forum
but the fact that its capped at 1.3x 1 stack value is absurd
weary notch
I don't want to have to spam IP more than I used to have to spam Heroic Strike (and yes you spammed IP more in Legion than you spammed heroic strike in WoD)
tiny sphinx
actually want 100% absorb so i can gather cast times without being interrupted by damage please and thank you
exotic tiger
For me the main thing is prot being far too GCD locked, every GCD is too valuable in standard rotation to really react like other tanks can
chrome falcon
No
chilly brook
I’d personally rather have every global matter than being able to throw away globals
chrome falcon
The problem is that our GCDs dont' fucking do anything
Revenge and Deva are way too low impact
iron forum
i actually like being gcd locked (but it could definitely use some improvement, just the ideai mean) along with 15% haste passive it makes for a fast paced spec
chrome falcon
You spend a global on Deva, do 2k damage and have a 30% chance of it actually benefiting you
soft kindle
@undone sun oy, got told in here yesterday a socket is worth around 10 ilvl
tiny sphinx
devastate needs a purpose other than filler, bake in old kushan gloves effect
soft kindle
What is this
winged elm
The best I felt playing prot war was 4 piece T20 with 2 piece T21 running bracers.
soft kindle
😡
weary notch
I mean, if IP only worked on magic damage (physical damage wouldn't eat through it) it would be perfect as-is
undone sun
on rings maybe
chrome falcon
@winged elm Wow, the best you felt playing prot warrior was when it was almost unkillable and have 30% uptime on battle cry? Shocking 😛
undone sun
idk who told you that but sockets aren't worth that much on main armor pieces
winged elm
Yes lmao
lucid kelp
the best Prot experience I ever had.....was leveling prot in Wrath
chrome falcon
The best I ever felt on prot warrior was when I was top dps and healing on HC garrosh while solo-tanking, go figure
lucid kelp
that was fun
tiny sphinx
vengeance was a fun passive
chrome falcon
DUDE
MAKE PROT WARRIOR THE ONLY TANK THAT GETS VENGEANCE
BOOM
EXPANSION SAVED
WE FIGURED IT OUT
ember arrow
They get a dh
tiny sphinx
you won't hear me argue
ember arrow
With thenlm
chrome falcon
Wait that could actually make sense
ember arrow
Vdh ontop a warr
chrome falcon
IP gets bigger the more damage you've taken in the last 10 seconds
Something like that
ember arrow
Original
red sequoia
do deathstrike shield?
tiny sphinx
well, legion had a talent that did that sort of
the lower your health the more IP you got but that was dumb
red sequoia
never surrender is still around
chilly brook
@red sequoia yes overhead becomes a shield at a diminished amount
tiny sphinx
if it was a baseline thing, sure i'd work with it
chrome falcon
I ran it for all of EN when it was apparently garbage whoops
red sequoia
super busted from vers
chrome falcon
busted IP and 1 million damage SS crits
winged elm
"A stalwart protector who uses a shield to safeguard herself and her allies. Preferred Weapon: Axe, Mace, Sword, and Shield" is Blizz's Definition of Prot Wars.
This is why I said it would be cool to see some more interaction with Intereve especially on your Co-Tank (Kinda like the Safeguard talent).
tiny sphinx
i kinda miss vigilance
ember arrow
Basically
undone sun
nah like 7.0.1 IP scaled off HP
steel mauve
i miss the hell out of vigilance
chilly brook
Anyways time to go level my other tank alts
chrome falcon
I saved 3 people with safeguard on our mythic MOTHER kill, and I constantly save people in m+
winged elm
Yeah Vigi would be nice
lucid kelp
speaking of Warriors...I find it odd. My Arms spec can use Staves.....but my Prot spec..can't use daggers....
tiny sphinx
fury dagger offhand used to be a thing
lucid kelp
i mean I 'can' use daggers...but I can't use my abilities with them.
knotty ermine
"Taunts no longer increase the threat against the target for a short window of time."
chrome falcon
dual wielding staves is my transmog jam as fury
dull torrent
So im new to prot: Does the buff to reinforced plating (20str in total at 5 stacks) make prot a good tank again? Thanks for your help
knotty ermine
What the shit
chrome falcon
yes
undone sun
wat
tiny sphinx
it's not live
chilly brook
I mean remember when in BC prot actually had to use daggers on kaelthas?
dull torrent
Reinforced Plating Strength increased by 10%. I mean this
winged elm
@chrome falcon what
winged elm
Heal you? It just gives you armor
knotty ermine
Foh with with "it's not live," there's more stupid b/s that actually makes it to live than not. And yet still people come back with that for w/e reason
winged elm
I mean strength
undone sun
a trait isn't going to make or break
chrome falcon
unless it's DC
lucid kelp
my traits suck...
chilly brook
But why would you
lucid kelp
but they work
neon tangle
I was druid tanking for KT, I can't even remember what weap (if any) I would have taken
dull torrent
how is prot warrior not bad if it has the highest mortality across all specs in the game, excluding arms 🤔
chrome falcon
@undone sun i'll take your word for it. if i need to wear a 340 this whole expansion to keep DC, i will do that
undone sun
how is that relevant to tank balance
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
chilly brook
Not going to address the death rate
knotty ermine
Pauzi that's a terrible metric to base your conclusion on
chilly brook
Been over it a million times
lucid kelp
I personally have added to the death rate because I DC'd
chilly brook
Suffice it to say that statistics are far more complex than just saying “this has the highest therefor....”
ember arrow
^
chilly brook
WOW!
lucid kelp
probably higher than that
ember arrow
Including this
chilly brook
I never knew!
tiny sphinx
statistically, statistics are pretty useless.......... on an individual basis
chilly brook
If you’d like me to explain why it’s not a good metric feel free to dm me I wouldn’t want to upset my overlords
prisma crane
the only thing (imo) to take away from death stats is that we're a higher risk tank, but usually higher risk nets a higher reward, currently though, not the case
only higher risk because of mistake potential, not capability
iron forum
that's the definition of higher risk though
prisma crane
what is
iron forum
mistake potential
prisma crane
if a class is just piss poor it would be a high risk as well
i said that last part because we're not piss poor
ember arrow
Running 3 ferals is high risk
steel mauve
class being bad doesnt make it high risk, it just makes it bad
iron forum
ah, i interpreted that differently
prisma crane
all good, it's why i asked
steel mauve
i guess it would be high risk for the raid/leader to run said bad class, but not playing the class itself
iron forum
im just sitting here at work refreshing wowhead waiting to see some real changes
tiny sphinx
the risk is being ridiculed for death stats, the reward is- getting progress kills in spite of said death stats! hurr
prisma crane
yea that's what i meant iron, looking at a raid slot being taken
steel mauve
ah ok, i gotcha
prisma crane
hey remember that guy that tanked the shitty class in ABT? yea, me neither lol
chrome falcon
The reward is that one of us could still be the first prot warrior to tank mythic fetid
prisma crane
ppl just remember stuff that stands out
if only 1 prot ever cleared stuff, that'd be notable, but we're not that bad, so ripples wont be made lol
chrome falcon
I dunno dude I think there being literally 0 prot warriors with kills on the 5th boss over a week in is quite notable
earnest zinc
Prot could use a buff even if it's small
chrome falcon
Though I guess Guardian druids are the same
open bluff
i see what you did there
iron forum
call me Oscar then cause i actually kind of like BfA prot balance aside
prisma crane
oof! lol Thyme, nice
iron forum
don't kill me
desert crypt
REMOVED Mastery: Critical Block wtf is this patch note xD
earnest zinc
That's because no BE guild will let a warrior or druid tank for progression atm.
open bluff
Thyme for the next expansion, this one's just been roasted to death
chrome falcon
Isn't Guardian ok for raid tanking
neon tangle
@desert crypt It's just datamining right now, dunno what's going to change
chrome falcon
They're just so boring that no-one plays them
devout mulch
Hey, do you guys have any tips for aoe tanking? I just dinged 120 and went to run some normals, but I can't keep threat very well. I also feel quite squishy.
iron forum
@devout mulch thunderclap everything back to the dark ages
undone sun
Use avatar liberally
soft kindle
@chrome falcon guardian isn't any better than other tanks
neon tangle
Blue post said that they're still debating internally what changes they're going to make, prolly some small buffs for now and bigger changes later
grim prism
@devout mulch get deafening crash trait, ava > demo > tc tc tc tc tc
chrome falcon
@devout mulch what talents are you running
iron forum
didn't realize guardian was that bad too, how the great have fallen
devout mulch
1 1 2 3 2 1 1
sick tree
Im glad that blizzard said something about it at least
soft kindle
other tanks being better =/= other tanks being bad
fresh trail
So are there any warrior changes at all?
earnest zinc
If you were in a guild where that really mattered, you would have rolled the monk or dk at launch
iron forum
10% buff to reinforced plating. yaaaaay
other changes coming, but that's all that for certain now
chrome falcon
"hopefully your new mastery reduces your repairs costs by a certain %" - my co-tank
I feel like i'm being bullied
sick tree
They're still trying to figure out if they can hotfix it or will it need a patch
solid mist
damn
earnest zinc
That's not a buff since that trait is trash
open bluff
could be worse, they could've nerfed DC instead
undone sun
Soon™
sick tree
My old guild kept bullying me too for being prot
earnest zinc
Removing DC would make Prot unviable
sick tree
And then my BRM co-tank one fight was like "How the fuck are you taking less damage than me?"
soft kindle
@earnest zinc quick, hyperbole
open bluff
i have 0 DC traits right now and have 0 problems
soft kindle
exaggeration
open bluff
🤔
soft kindle
Now, stupid me
neon tangle
@sick tree My guild doesn't seem to have the negative feels everyone else does about prot
I tank, they don't seem to care
pine totem
if every other tank was nerfed would prot warrior be good 😃 ?
sick tree
Are you alive?
You are doing your job
good job
We're not unviable, we're just harder to play rn. But we're still a meme to trade chat
desert crypt
well I think that we need some self healign and will be better xD
pine totem
yes perma shield wall 😃
sick tree
Because that's our gimmick. Really good mitigation (allegedly)
desert crypt
well like legendary bracers from legion would be nice
tiny sphinx
really good physical mitigation anyway
sick tree
Yeah
You know what would be kinda nice? If the free revenge counted as rage spent for the CD reduction
desert crypt
well just look at dh tanks on 10/11 plus keys they dont need healing cuz they do it them selfs healers can dps so having self healign as prot would make us more tanky and uselful i say
sick tree
I remember when I got the two BiS legenaries for legion
I was competing wit healers on the charts it was funny
desert crypt
Well I feel way better tanking with my 3 azerite veins traits cuz i got some of that self healing
neon tangle
I got a couple azerite veins and the darkmoon deck, feels okish
ember arrow
@desert crypt all tanks need healing
prisma crane
@sick tree insp pres helped a lot there
desert crypt
well if you are high on Haste Azerite veins do more healing
ember arrow
No tank can self sustain
neon tangle
@desert crypt I am certainly not high on haste
(not by my choosing, I got "lucky" and landed a lot of 370 crit pieces)
elfin apex
I just want everyone to stop laughing at me for being prot
sweet kettle
I think all prot needs is the bracers from Legion to become passive and a buff to IP
chrome falcon
@elfin apex Get used to it, my whole guild spends every raid laughing at me for it and i'm their fucking raid leader
ember arrow
@elfin apex we feel ya rather than laugh at ya
astral crystal
utility pls
desert crypt
@sweet kettle +1
astral crystal
@elfin apex that feel...
chrome falcon
Dear god "bracers from legion would fix prot" is such a bad take
We don't generate or spend enough rage
And it's all on the GCD
It wouldn't help at all
soft kindle
Wouldn't help at all isn't quite true
sweet kettle
It's not about fixing it its about making it feel less shitty
soft kindle
It'd help. Just wouldn't single handedly fix it
tiny sphinx
if it's so bad why would it be bad to add it anyway?, the rate of rage gain and spending is different, yes, but we have 0 self healing outside of killing blows
ember crest
still think IP off GCD again would help the feel, and then maybe something else
neon tangle
@chrome falcon That's just a matter of tuning the numbers though
chrome falcon
@ember crest Sure, but at this point you're just asking to go back to Legion warrior
40 rage IP off the GCD would feel way worse than 10-60 rage IP
ember crest
eh i didn't suggest vengeance changes or anything i just want to dump my rage off GCD
chrome falcon
or w/e it was in legion
sweet kettle
Doesn't matter if IP remains on the Gcd they need to buff the shield we get from it
tiny sphinx
i doubt no class player feels at least somewhat robbed of legion stuff
to be on top of the world and then just have it all ripped away and get nothing in return
desert crypt
did they say when they are planing on releasing 8.1?
chrome falcon
BDK is basically the same as legion
soft kindle
IP off the gcd might feel better, and I'd agree to that, but it wouldn't really fix prot's issues
neon tangle
I would be pretty happy w/ just a bigger IP, keeping the 50% DR, I'm fairly OK with it being on the GCD still
ember crest
and i only purely say that for the feel of doing the rotation not for survival etc
tiny sphinx
lots of specs have very little changed, but i'd argue we lost the most overall power
sweet kettle
I would love IP to be exactly what the names suggest and what they tried to do with it on alpha
Actually make it spend rage and just ignoring a portion of the dmg taken
ember crest
at the start of EN it was insane with how high you could get it
true hazel
It would be nice to have a ranged threat like other tanks for M+ kiting
sweet kettle
You have heroic throw
true hazel
True but its not other tanks. I played prot pally and everything is ranged
tiny sphinx
oh yeah it's weak as hell no doubt
sweet kettle
Yes you are correct prot warrior has basically 0 kitting potential
Compaired to other tanks
But for me the whole kitting playstyle is very wrong
knotty ermine
Wut
neon tangle
I seem to do ok with avatar + TC + a CD at the beginning and then leaping / running like a baby
true hazel
Its hard to say what the answer would be. I hate kiting.
tiny sphinx
the t-clap slow change was just arbitrary, either that or they knew that ppl would stack the balls off deafening crash and had to have t-clap spam have SOME weakness
neon tangle
intervening to ranged and stuff also helps? idk very few issues while kiting
@tiny sphinx They reduced the slow for a lot of tanks
The theory is that they wanted to kill kiting
by reducing slows + reducing threat
knotty ermine
Warriors having zero kite potential is straight up false
sweet kettle
But they didn't
neon tangle
We can see how well that worked out...
tiny sphinx
heaven forbid kiting be a thing, half the elites n dungeons are immune to it anyway
sweet kettle
Compaired to Dh or dk or prot pally kitting ours is a joke
true hazel
I never said they have 0 kiting. Its just not as strong
knotty ermine
Well with the new taunt change kiting will be slightly more annoying
open bluff
potential*
tiny sphinx
the taunt change is not confirmed
knotty ermine
You literally said
undone sun
if it's an actual change
knotty ermine
Basically zero kiting potential
sweet kettle
I said that
open bluff
datamined does not equal actually happening
remember, they removed prot mastery entirely according to datamining
does that seriously sound like something they'd just outright do
tiny sphinx
i wouldn't put anything past them at this point
knotty ermine
Removing the added threat in the taunt window? Yes, it does
open bluff
woosh
atomic gazelle
guys, id love some advice
undone sun
it's likely just a tool tip change, they've been trying to simplify tooltips for a while now
atomic gazelle
is prot just plain inviable in raids?
undone sun
no
open bluff
exactly thyme
neon tangle
@atomic gazelle no
open bluff
blizzard just said last week they hate giving us information in tooltips
atomic gazelle
should my guild "suffer" through prot or should my tank go arms
tiny sphinx
would love to sit the guy down who makes these decisions and make him play legion prot with t21 and then current prot.... in an empty room.... for a month.... with no bed and minimal food.... ya know... to test things
atomic gazelle
is it competitive? can we accomplish mythic content with a prot war?
undone sun
yes
it's less about the class and more about the player
prot is more punishing and every tank is viable
atomic gazelle
whats my guy doin wrong? he gets absolutely wrecked
neon tangle
@atomic gazelle Do you have any parses?
atomic gazelle
i'll look some up
open bluff
you can, but guilds would prefer if you didn't because raid leaders are often dumb and only know what the popular specs are
sweet kettle
Tell him to read the guide and have the bars for the mechanics close by
atomic gazelle
lol like is it just a matter of hitting shield block right before a dbm bar getting filled up?
charred patio
What i'd LOVE to see for Prot War is to make them a high skill cap tank that rewards that play with being able to facetank nearly anything. Make prot beefy as fuck
undone sun
more complex than that
fresh trail
which spell used to silence? heroic or shatterinc throw?
ember arrow
@charred patio so like legion
sweet kettle
Don't fk up shield block use IP correctly and don't waste rage on revenge if you are actively tanking
tiny sphinx
heroic throw had a glyph that would silence
undone sun
Pummel is our interrupt, but we don't have a silence currently
fresh trail
that would be nice to have back
sweet kettle
Blizz doesn't like silences
ember arrow
Make ds silence. Like you made such a good point enemies are speechless
fresh trail
meh interrupt would be ok too
tiny sphinx
i threw this karazhan axe at you, shut yo mouf
they changed heroic throw to always be the kara axe too, used to be whatever weapon model you had =/
charred patio
100% should go back to your current wep 😦
tiny sphinx
shattering throw was a hilarious bandage to allow us to counter iceblock and pally bubble and... something else i forget
charred patio
or a new glyph as BFA glyphs are all druid ones atm ha
hexed jacinth
The state of prot warriors
tiny sphinx
it had a cast time and a several minute cd iirc
atomic gazelle
i had this parse for example
what goes into the prot score?
damage done or something?
sweet kettle
The state of the wow community actually
prisma crane
lol that hunter never even did a 10 key yet
prisma crane
yea it literally says damage at the top
atomic gazelle
thats it??
prisma crane
you can check a few different types of logs
broken kite
steel mauve
literally dps
prisma crane
dmg, healing
steel mauve
ending a fight in dps is what ranks you
atomic gazelle
what is it people look for when looking at tank parses
prisma crane
before you ask, no, can't rank "tank-ability"
atomic gazelle
got it
steel mauve
usually people dont look at the parses of tanks
atomic gazelle
so what can my friend improveon
steel mauve
if they are smart at leastr
prisma crane
average ppl look at dmg
atomic gazelle
hes getting reamed in heroic content
prisma crane
but good ppl look at how well they played
broken kite
which bosses
steel mauve
they look at dmg taken, mitigation %, buff up time, talents, traits
prisma crane
that said, often if you see orange dmg parses, a person probably knows what they're doing, at least better than average
atomic gazelle
thats awesome, i can work with that
prisma crane
broken kite
pins dont mention ptr mastery
prisma crane
also, it's just datamined notes
silk locust
Ok
undone sun
it's still about ptr notes
broken kite
and yeah wouldnt give any thought to it yet
prisma crane
i forgot that was just something sal was spamming
undone sun
subject to change
silk locust
Hope it is wrong
atomic gazelle
so like if i wanted to send him some example logs to compare himself to, i can reasonable grab a few orange parses and send em to him?
undone sun
we don't know what they're doing with PTR so far
broken kite
"mastery now converted to bonus haste"
candid cove
Well if the azerite tuning is any idea it won't be great
prisma crane
@atomic gazelle you could, but that parse could also be achieved with poor "tank" play, just look at half my old ABT parses lol
you can have him look at like lala or sense's logs
candid cove
10% more on reinforced plating oh my
steel mauve
he doesnt have DC trait and due to that his demo shout uptime is really low
thats some thing to look at in terms of log review
atomic gazelle
jesus fucking christ lmao Sense's logs
neon tangle
idk if the fight is on farm mode or something, but I don't see him casting a single last stand or shield wall
iron forum
real warriors don't rely on crutches like cooldowns, we just yell at things and they die
iron forum
for real though i would love to see a warrior ability like that one dk's had in WotLK where its a damage buff you use on an ally, except you literally just yell at them to hit stuff harder and it works
that's all i want for class fantasy
spice ferry
basically a cd version of battle shout?
tiny sphinx
one of the banners we had for like 2 patches did that didn't it?
moar crit for erryone
iron forum
yeah. i guess that's true lol. although a cd would feel a lot different than a buff
chrome falcon
skull banner gave everyone more crit damage
spice ferry
oh yeh i forgot about the banners. R I P
chrome falcon
not even crit chance
tiny sphinx
crit damaj
spice ferry
used to love using banners as intercept targets
tiny sphinx
which should be a stat honestly just like el dialob
steel mauve
felt like such a boss pulling off bannervenes
iron forum
yeah, having a controllable charge target would be great. i have to be in voice comms with my healer for me to tell them where to stand to help me kite
still, cant exactly complain about warrior mobility too much
tiny sphinx
oh my healer is much smarter than me, she knows when to lifegrip and where before i even know
tiny sphinx
in some ways you are lucky in some ways not so much
iron forum
its okay though, i get him back with the swapblaster plenty
devout vortex
Does using a dagger and the devastator talent actually work to increase shield slam up time??
just thought about the .8 swing speed drop
tiny sphinx
there are no str daggers, and the damage band is low as ball, so wouldn't recommend it
iron forum
don't some of our attacks require a 1h mace\sword\axe too? im not sure about that though
iron forum
cant say ive ever really tried, interesting to think about though
i think people are saying that it just looks like a tooltip change, no way to know so far
devout vortex
Dagger breaks revenge
astral crystal
is the ptr up yet?
knotty apex
removed prot mastery 🤔
sharp hazel
cinder nova
kill me now
astral crystal
it's going to get reintroduced like IP - at 50% efficiency Kappa
devout vortex
blocks for pussies. IGNORE PAIN
cinder nova
Crit block is so strong please no
olive scaffold
is there any changes going on next patch for prot ?
olive scaffold
the fact that its a maybe is so stupid
cinder nova
Which is funny because I think we're probably the most autistic tank discord around
devout vortex
inb4 IP buff an prot is got tier in tier 2
cinder nova
and still somehow clawed into relevance
olive scaffold
dude its so stupid... im not asking to be meta i literally would take relevance
olive scaffold
IG was the worst thing to happen to prot hoenstly just get rid of it completely
please and thanks
cinder nova
IG?
olive scaffold
IP *
cinder nova
No thanks, I like being able to tell damage to fuck off out of anger
Just needs to be better/more intuitive
Better than that stupid shield barrier shit in MoP
Which was just awful
olive scaffold
its terrible and the pact it takes a global is even more stupid i duno wtf happened.... just feeling like something that was put together and at the end product they said "ehhh this is good enough"
fact *
cinder nova
Did... were you Prot during Legion ever?
We were pacing healers with IP in ATB
And EN
oof
olive scaffold
shortly ive playd since vanila
cinder nova
people SCREAMED like banshees
Then why are you talking like we just got IP this xpack
olive scaffold
because its completely different then it was last xpack ?
olive scaffold
non-stackable ? on a global ? 50% damage are we playing the same class ?
cinder nova
It can stack
steel mauve
it stacks lol
cinder nova
I guess we aren't lol
olive scaffold
for absolutly nothing
steel mauve
its not like when you cast a new one it just loses the previous absorb for a new one
cinder nova
If someone offered me the choice between absorbing 30% more damage or 30% less
I'm gonna take the first one
steel mauve
still stacks up to a cap, so saying it doesnt stak is completely false
olive scaffold
i would say that renewable not stackable
cinder nova
But it is stackable, Brad.
steel mauve
renewable would be losing out on the previous absorb for a refreshed duration and new absorb
stackable means it GAINS absorb
cinder nova
Honestly if they even made IP like twice it's current duration it'd be more used
olive scaffold
i still think its garbage
cinder nova
Because then we could set it up in prep for a swap
Then continue spamming revenge like retards
Right now it just feels gross because the short duration is ugly when I'm readying for big hits that i'd rather just dump a CD and keep DPSing
olive scaffold
i dont think its useful at all i think it should be taken out
steel mauve
it still has a use though
i mean absorbed hp is damage you didnt take
it may be underwhelming, and the cap is really low, but it still does prevent hp loss
dark junco
Can SB still crit block?
cinder nova
If you are more conservative and don't really give too much about parsing you can pool rage in prep for big swings and drop IP with block
Live yes
dark junco
Or is there anything like crit block nemore?
cinder nova
PTR is unsure
cinder nova
Subject to change
steel mauve
we literally have no idea whats going on with the ptr or datamined files
undone sun
likely just a tooltip change
neon tangle
could just be a tooltip change
cinder nova
If they change mastery I hope they reintroduce crit block in a more deliberate way
So we can oomf fat hits
dark junco
Well its removed everywhere
thorn hound
Yay a slight prot warrior buff. Defensive stance reduces damage taken by 20% up from 10%.
cinder nova
I'll take it.
chrome falcon
There is no way that is real