finished
#protection
wild bolt
Grats dude
primal crypt
I had no idea it was that bad
ember arrow
waht key?
wild bolt
We didn't get past the pulls before 1st boss.
grim prism
Im sitting on a 9 that i do not want to run at all
wild bolt
Double Matrons ate us.
primal crypt
To be quite honest, the only bad part is in the beginning
grim prism
I hear second boss room has literally dozens of adds
young harbor
everyone is saying try to skip it
primal crypt
Double matron
young harbor
the matrons pull
hexed lion
can you just go the other way?
young harbor
balls eh
primal crypt
especially if you wipe
young harbor
i dont even want to set foot in there this week
primal crypt
you're back at the start
wild bolt
Right, when you wipe there's no checkpoint so you're boned.
hexed lion
didnt they nerf it anyway?
primal crypt
nope
young harbor
nerfed the ticks
primal crypt
just the ticks
young harbor
thats it
hexed lion
ah
grim prism
Leave early
young harbor
lol
primal crypt
lol
wild bolt
lol
primal crypt
Bring a lock
banish the damn befouled spirit
so you dont have the worry about the harrowing blast
sick sentinel
smh
mellow bridge
fuck UR this week lmao
hexed lion
just dont die, 4head
hexed lion
is it really that bad?
wild bolt
Yeah, win by attrition
That's what we tried, but after completely depleting the key and still not getting it we just packed it up.
wild bolt
Oh our comp was ass
hexed lion
got a cheeky atal dazar 9 to do
wild bolt
We had Repentance...that was it.
sick sentinel
@grim prism eu or us?
wild bolt
lol, yup.
hexed lion
yea idd
wild bolt
Grossly underestimated how bad it was.
grim prism
AD is still easy as long as nothing bugs out
hexed lion
quite happy really
grim prism
Which it probably will
primal crypt
Oh another bad one is 11 waycrest this week
mellow bridge
Two difficult pulls, the one right in front of priest boss and the one on the stairs up to totem boss if you dont pull the group out
2 rogues right behind them, 2 more on the stairs
hexed lion
we forgetting about kings rest
mellow bridge
is it true that there are 2 shadows of zul in KR this week? Read it on reddit but that sounds too ridiculous lmao
sick sentinel
Laser matrix bug
primal crypt
the matron came through the floor
sick sentinel
Has been fixed
mellow bridge
Yeah the matron likes to do that
primal crypt
kept the healer in combat the entire run
ember arrow
@mellow bridge it is possible
primal crypt
zero drinks LOL
ember arrow
but its not intended
young harbor
so my guild was doing h vectis last night.. and we kept noticing omega vector was stacking on 1 person (two stacks of debuff on 1 person). anyone come across this? know of why/how it is happening
primal crypt
need to stack the raid
ember arrow
if you get too many stacks, move outta the group
mellow bridge
Yikes
ember arrow
you msut all stack
young harbor
yeah we were
mellow bridge
idk how you would do 2 shadows even
primal crypt
then thats just really bad luck lol
mellow bridge
I guess blow everything, kill one die
mellow bridge
respawn kill the other
young harbor
only happened on certain pulls
then the vector would bounce to another person (stacked again)
primal crypt
yeah
ember arrow
so how is that unlucky
young harbor
both stacks were movin to the same person
young harbor
so maybe they were standing on each other's faces
primal crypt
but then someone else would get both
young harbor
yeah
wild bolt
We had a new problem with Mother's aggro last night that we hadn't seen before. She kept just going after the OT (me). MT (DK) could taunt her off but then she'd jump back on me like a second later, even if I never touched her. No MD or ToT or anything. Really wierd. Have you guys seen that?
wild bolt
Neat.
next ermine
If you want an easy solution to Omega vector
primal crypt
Beta for Azeroth
wild bolt
I thought I was special.
young harbor
and she spun and nuked the melee with her slam
wild bolt
I thought I meant something to her.
ember arrow
STEPPED ON THEM
hexed lion
we thought it was my prot damage, but i completely stopped attacking and it was still doing it
next ermine
Just mark players and tell those players to move up, left, right, or back depending on mark
And you will never have stacks on a person
young harbor
i mean we downed him/it. was just strange to see it on a few pulls
primal crypt
yolo
next ermine
And by mark players I mean have your leader set bigwigs/dbm to mark people and have whatever mark assigned a position to move
Makes it super simple
primal crypt
4head
ember arrow
no i mean it
its more than others even
also there are about 5 billion tenders
so focus em one by one
ember arrow
so they dont keep healing
young harbor
do the mobs in the eyeball room fortify?
ember arrow
probably
primal crypt
probably only the guardians
but who knows, the little guys gave necrotic but not sanguine
primal crypt
So I would say they're fortified
young harbor
and im sure an oversight
ember arrow
nope
young harbor
well no
ember arrow
you didnt run while frost mage kited?
young harbor
i attempted to kite them
ember arrow
not on necrotic
young harbor
yes, that is what i meant
young harbor
yeah
young harbor
it was more the initial "i wonder if these give stacks" proceeds to charge in
ember arrow
oh i didnt even touch them
young harbor
50 stacks, run away
young harbor
i went full warrior
primal crypt
I ran through with rocket boots
young harbor
do, not think
primal crypt
grabbed eye and lept to victory
primal crypt
LMFAOOOOOOOO
young harbor
on the left side of the room i lept close the skeleton and all the mobs evade spawned on me in the wall area
young harbor
i dont suggest hat either
primal crypt
that's why the eye was unusable for some groups
people said one eye just disappeared
and they couldnt complete
ember arrow
he turns invis
molten radish
Someone said there is a post about a prot rework?
ember arrow
just keep running till u git him
young harbor
flare, lol
young harbor
oh damn
young harbor
working as intended
primal crypt
beta for azeroth...like I said
next ermine
I had the best bug in Temple the other day on last boss
I charged a witch doctor that was on the other side of the middle ring on the last boss and charged through the floor out of the map
Had to meneuver my way back up and jump back inside the ring
wheat bronze
That happened to me on Shrine. I was able to skip all of the trash and go straight to the bosses.
digital arrow
same
isn't it better if prot war is always MT? that way u dont have to worry about going all out on damage and taking aggro from another MT. and u get more raid dps
earnest zinc
I always start with the boss on my warrior
No class can match the initial burst threat with Avatar
Prot is also the only tank that has a chance to get threat against dps that have insane AoE and use it at the start provided Avatar is off CD when they do it.
I could even ignore skittish last week
timber stump
sick sentinel
its not nerfed no
neon tangle
World of RNGCraft
No loot for a couple weeks
Replaced 4 340 pieces with 4 370 pieces from 3 boss kills last night
past ledge
Hey guys, whats the best race horde for prot warrior?
floral rock
any of em probably
past ledge
is it worth choosing Tauren over orc?
astral crystal
it's personal preference, im pretty sure they're mre or less on par
but the extra stun is really nice
past ledge
Tauren also give more HP right?
coral ocean
Yeah, they do.
My warrior is currently Orc but will be HMT once I finish grinding the rep.
astral crystal
hmt's knockdown is actually a stun
suffers DR, and i dont like the displacement
since it lunges you forward
past ledge
is it also AOE stunn?
astral crystal
in path yeah
past ledge
also do HMT have the HP increase?
chilly brook
Without knocking people around that’s important 😉
past ledge
ofc dmg reduced is better than HP, right?
coral ocean
Yes.
astral crystal
it's not a lot of dmg
past ledge
bs its better than more HP
astral crystal
PTR soon my dudes
chilly brook
Like I said it actually really depends on the situation
But basically for the HP to be “better” it’d have to save you from more situations that the damage reduction and 1% vers wouldn’t have
But imo it’s a lot easier to measure the effectiveness of the DR
Really it’s such a wash it doesn’t matter
final mist
In most cases, racials will not impact you significantly enough to make a difference.
chilly brook
You should just play panda if you’re trying to min max 😉
past ledge
i love panda's, they are soo fluffy lol
open bluff
pandaren warrior reporting in
young harbor
think of all the cliffs you can fall off of
chilly brook
How else do you make your DPS cry like this?
young harbor
and survive
chilly brook
100k DPS pog
Rip linked the wrong clip
Real clip
Peaked at like 130k or something stupid like that
old night
Hey dudes, Was on Heroic Zul last night and was getting melted by Zul's debuff the second P2 hit. Any tips for survivng?
chilly brook
The might of the panda
old night
P1 was super clean for me. It's just the 2nd phase that sucks
chilly brook
@old night 3 tank it
old night
oh really? I know my RL was considering it. I didnt know if a lot of guilds did that or not
not that it matters, whatever gets the kill
chilly brook
It makes it a lot easier
old night
how does it work?
I tank with a blood DK, so he was taking care of the crusher and I was on AOE since our TC and revenge helps melt the adds and gather them up
chilly brook
Third tank basically soaks things before p2 and then in p2 you all just taunt at 2 stacks
old night
when P2 hit I'd grab zul, and at 2 stacks swap, still was rough
chilly brook
No one should take more than two stacks if you have 3 tanks
past ledge
indeed
old night
okay awesome. Thanks Griff!
past ledge
easy kill with 3 tanks
past ledge
also let ur pala knw when to bop u
to drop stacks faster and easier
i did it once with 2 tanks, but saved bop and CR for p2
old night
damn thats a good ass idea
vagrant cape
I had 23% haste, now after lots of "upgrading" I'm down to 13% :PepeHands:
cloud bone
I know the struggle
old night
I feel your pain
past ledge
with ITF ?
cloud bone
I can't use the reorigination array or else it'll give me crit
vagrant cape
D:
past ledge
whats ur IL at?
past ledge
tbh im disregarding stat and going for IL upgrades all the time
cloud bone
and I only get crit rings
past ledge
im at 368 with 12.2% haste
vagrant cape
Same. Ilvl is king, but low haste feels bad
I know it's correct but it feels so bad
cloud bone
right
past ledge
i have like 20% crit lel
vagrant cape
I feel like I need more vers. Magic just melts me no matter how much rage I dump into IP
I'm at 6% vers roughly
past ledge
whats ur mastery at?
vagrant cape
Uhhh. I'm on mobile, I forgot
neon tangle
@cloud bone same here, I’m around 1100 crit
past ledge
im at 3% verst lol
neon tangle
Because RNG hates me
cloud bone
oof
vagrant cape
23% mastery, 15% Crit, 13% haste, 7% vers according to armory
neon tangle
Even got the 370 Uldir crit axe
cloud bone
same I got that and was happy for the upgrade but sad cus it was crit
vagrant cape
Ew
signal plover
375 haste mast shield from warfront weekly last night mmmm
vagrant cape
D:
hexed lion
is there a haste cap?
grim prism
Nope
hexed lion
certainly feels like it with hero
okay lemme rephrase
is there a cap on the amount shield block gets reduced by?
grim prism
Nope
signal plover
Yep
vagrant cape
Yarp.
cloud bone
I'm still rocking a 340 shield
hexed lion
so im 36% haste with ITF outside of uldir
cloud bone
rolled on normal G'huun the past 3 weeks and only got the helmet
signal plover
There's some other considerations though, mostly with ilvl, due to main stat and armor
hexed lion
yea ive just been lucky with pvp gear and such
signal plover
Haste is your best secondary, but most large ilvl upgrades are better due to str/armor
hexed lion
im just curious to see wether there is a breakpoint, and then it becomes crit for critical blocks
grim prism
Crit block is purely mastery-based in this expac
grim prism
No other modifiers or increase from block chance
hexed lion
sorry yea i meant mastery
grim prism
Just plain old mastery
@neon tangle crit isn't bad, especially in M+ where the parry chance gets averaged out over hundreds and hundreds of melees
neon tangle
@grim prism for sure, it still is a little annoying to have 700 haste + 1100+ crit lol
primal crypt
lol...I went Arms once to try and dps and this is what happens
grim prism
Tichondrius is so funny to me
It's where all the tryhards who think they are better than they are self-select to congregate
grim prism
My buddy xferred over there to join a pvp guild and comes to find out theyre all garb9
Ends up pushing rating with someone from his old realm anyway
hexed lion
right so when i have hero, that takes me to 72% haste
merry cave
@grim prism always got the same impression from u.s illidan horde side
hexed lion
that takes shield block to a 10 sec rechard
recharge**
is it really that worth to stack that much haste to get 2-3 seconds?
surely around 40 is enough then just go mastery
grim prism
Meh
Haste also helps with rage gen and "feeling less clunky" in addition to block uptimes
hexed lion
right
grim prism
40 is plenty, but why wouldnt you want more
merry cave
I mean that much haste you can almost roll shield block
grim prism
Yaknow
hexed lion
well
its only up for 6 sec
so with 72% haste which lets say is impossible to get without hero
you still have 4 sec downtime
in theory
hexed lion
but even then, when SB is active, its not like we're staying nicely cosy as 100%hp
primal crypt
I have 15% haste 😦
past ledge
lol xD
digital arrow
its funny how blizz's goal was for classes to play slower and more strategic and here we're all speeding up the gcd as much as we can to undo all that mess. "I wanna block more often, fuck u blizz" 😂
grim prism
Honestly given how critical anger mgmt is to the spec in its current state, im inclined to think the rage gen aspect is arguably more important than the cooldown reduction
unkempt fox
Hey boyz, 360 rezan vs 370 doom's fury (crit on activate)
primal crypt
both
grim prism
dumpsters haste to deprioritize it
haste becomes BiS for all but like four specs
Weow
@unkempt fox why not both
coral ocean
@digital arrow lololol
hexed lion
yea i suppose im just clutching at straws to be a bit more tanky
unkempt fox
@grim prism thought darkmoon is BiS
hexed lion
anyway thanks for ya'lls input
grim prism
When it was higher ilvl than anything that dropped it was, now its just a str stick with a weak heal proc
unkempt fox
some ppl like sense still rocking it so i assumed that, thank you
grim prism
I dont know what all Sense's trinket options are
But obviously if he tells you otherwise you should listen to him instead of me
astral crystal
where the class changes at rrreeeeeeeeeeeee
grim prism
I'm just of the mindset that more mitigation is better than mediocre healing for our spec in particular
@astral crystal 8.3
astral crystal
lich king action in 8.1 though, get hype
grim prism
8.threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
astral crystal
no spoilerinos
past ledge
u guys think any major changes will be made for prot warrior soon?
ember arrow
probably not
grim prism
Almost certainly not
The spec is viable in its current state, just underrepresented. The only obvious change to be made is nerfing DC to bring it in line with other traits (which they won't do because community perception is we are struggling as it is)
final mist
Well, 8.1 PTR is up and currently being datamined, so we very well could find out soon.
grim prism
Theyll have their hands full with priests and shamans
Classes people actually play lol
vagrant cape
It's up?!? POGGERS
uneven mason
"The peasants are getting restless, QUICK, OPEN A NEW DATAMINE, it'll give them something to chew on so they don't wallow in how little content there is to do"
ember arrow
there is more content than in prevous expansions, the content isnt rewarding
thats the issue
islands, warfront
etc
jade tartan
boreal depot
What are the best outer traits for high M+ (8-12)?
chilly brook
@hexed lion no one stays at 100% hp in their active mitigation that being said our active is easily the strongest if the damage is blockable
hexed lion
yea was just being hyperbolic
i understand that its not designed to mitigate all types of damage
but then whats our alternative right?
and you cant really say IP
boreal depot
IP+SR or SB thats it
hexed lion
kk
past ledge
whats SR?
hexed lion
spell reflect
boreal depot
Can anyone tell me what the best 8-12 M+ traits are currently? Still 2 Brace 1 Deaf?
past ledge
ah ok
grim prism
@boreal depot yep
boreal depot
Saw someone stacking 2 IF and 1 Deaf.
next glade
guys, IP uptime is priority over SB uptime right?
boreal depot
depends on fight.
vagrant cape
Depends on the fight
delicate prism
big if magical
elder tusk
being meleed = SB >> IP
boreal depot
high magic/spell IP+SR with a bit of SB... Melee use SB
next glade
kk ty
astral crystal
here's to hoping we get decent utility out of 8.1
vagrant cape
I feel like there are some packs that just completely melt me before I can do anything. Like the packs of things with rock Lance in motherlode. Any advice aside from walking in with shield wall up?
molten radish
Did someone post that they are looking into prot rework?
molten radish
Ah okay
slate vine
@vagrant cape Pray for interrupt, otherwise spell reflect is your friend
dusk locust
rock lance we're kicking, or i'm stunning or fearing if one is gonna make it through
slate vine
You can
you can also reflect the dot on 3rd boss if she targets you
but you have to be quick tho
uneven mason
Intimidating works on everything but Mechs and masterminds in there as well iirc
Here is hoping they don't change Warriors for 8.1
uneven mason
Because chances are the toll will be a nerf to DC and we'll get like a 2% buff
vagrant cape
Famous last words
ember arrow
not famous last words
vagrant cape
Next someone's gonna say, "8.1? What's the worst that could happen?"
uneven mason
"IP is off the GCD again - effect reduced by 50% 🖕 "
ember arrow
i dont have any stakes in it
blissful imp
Yea I'm anxious that we will actually get nerfed by them reducing our damage in return for inco sequentual "buffs" to taking damage
vagrant cape
THEN jumping ship
uneven mason
BDK - keep boneshield up, press death strike to keep from kapping runic power or after you take a big hit...
ember arrow
warriors have very low EHP
outside of AM
and having low hp makes it even more noticable
merry cave
You have to ask how to play bdk? A money could do well at that class
ember arrow
🤔
merry cave
Monkey*
uneven mason
we just don't have anyway to deal with damage that isn't filtered by our block/armor mitigation
vagrant cape
We take damage the best, we just don't restore it so healers actually have to pay attention to us
ember arrow
what does it matter how easy a bdk to play is
uneven mason
other tanks don't either BUT
ember arrow
focus on fixing prot
uneven mason
they ahve massive HP pools in comparison
vagrant cape
I wasn't asking how to play BDK, I was asking what particular fights and pulls they struggle with
uneven mason
I Know i'm pushing one of my melee to bring a DK in for Zul
because
we're losing so much cleave time on Hexers
like, even an unholy
Would do it
vagrant cape
Yeah, grip is super important
merry cave
We have a token frost DK :P
vagrant cape
On zul
uneven mason
remove grip - stop designing fights around it
one of those 2 should happen
its one thing for DKs to have utility that other classes don't its antoher to make one or two fights every tier an order of magnitude easier because of it
no other utility has that
vagrant cape
You can get hexers in with interrupts, but it's so slow and painful
blissful imp
BoP is pretty godlike for a few things every tier
uneven mason
its not on the same level as Grip
blissful imp
And cloak for rogues
uneven mason
BoP is handy for cheese
vagrant cape
Yeah, prot pallies Solon soaking maiden hammers with spell warding was pretty cool
Solo*
uneven mason
Immunities in general, there are waht...5 classes with immunities now?
uneven mason
still using a 340 flask +++ because trinketgods hate me
ember arrow
told u
primal crypt
the bug has happened every run
merry cave
Waycrest was better than tol and kr tbh
uneven mason
whats the bug in waycrest I've had 0 time trying to run dungeons this reset.
merry cave
We didn't get any bugs it's just not fun with quaking
primal crypt
@uneven mason you pull the entire downstairs
from the tree boss and around the fat pig boy
Matron teleports through the floor and laughs at you as you die in a corner
silk mortar
Intended mechanic
uneven mason
Ok
merry cave
Haha wow we didn't get that either run
primal crypt
For faster clearing right?
uneven mason
So
merry cave
Legit Strat when you have lots of gear :P
primal crypt
Yeah, just lust and be done with it
solid mist
how's the veiled eye trinket? It';d be replacing a bit button (lol)
uneven mason
or
rather
U WANT MAGGOTS
Veiled eye is pretty much garbo
1.5 Ips every 2minutes
solid mist
I'm bad at getting trinkets to drop. :/
uneven mason
needs to have like a 30s cooldown
solid mist
finally got a howler, cause someone gave it to me in a run 😐
uneven mason
yeah welcome to the party, got a 340 flask week #2 and haven't seen a trinket drop since.
at least I'm at 35% haste.
solid mist
eye dropped. used my bonus roll. got a 2nd eye... cooooooool
slate vine
In the meantime I'm, flooded with trinkets and ring, and couldn't get a single azerite armor past 340
winter skiff
Which trink to use or so i use both reza eye or the world boss one
Both 355 ilvl
Currently using blockade and jes
signal plover
@uneven mason u at 35% haste pre ITF?
winter skiff
At 35% is ur sb at 12 sec?
quartz lake
vagrant cape
I need to farm more tol dagor
Wait, does that place drop a shield or just a one hander?
storm isle
drops a shield
vagrant cape
I need to farm more atal dazar and tol dagor, then. Both have trinkets and shields I desperately need
thin mortar
think its a vers/mast shield. from dog
vagrant cape
I'll take anything over my 345 Crit mastery piece of garbage shield
sick sentinel
I’ve been hitting AD pretty hard myself @vagrant cape
vagrant cape
I just don't see why I'd run anything else. My trinkets are blockades and a 345 rezan because they're my best (if you don't count my 360 bandages hahahahahahahahahahaahahahhahaa)
kind urchin
I'm still using my 345 shield from motherlode.
vagrant cape
Shit shields unite! Mine is from underrot.
I'm so glad that shrine of the storm has nothing I want. It's so not fun
I wish more bosses were like the molten gold boss in atal dazar. It's so fun every time
wild bolt
I normally run Rezan's & Blockades but I've been using a 370 Doom's that I got off the Arathi World Boss (Strength/Crit) for Threat & DPS on normal mode & low keys.
Instead of Blockades.
Other than that though, yeah I'd agree no reason to break Rezan's/Blockades. Really nice duo, especially since the Uldir trinkets are hardly optimal.
past ledge
how good is [Xalzaix's Veiled Eye] for prot?
wild bolt
For PVE? I wouldn't use it if I had any other options really. Its S-tier for PVP. The problem for PVE is that you have no control over when it activates, and the CD is pretty long for how small the absorb cap is.
boreal depot
What would be most optimal with these trinkets 370 Galecaller's Beak 370 Disc of Sys 345 Rezan 355 Blockades ? For M+ or Raids?
past ledge
for pve yes
i have a 360 [Jes' Howler], should i pare it with [Vanquished Tendril of G'huun] or [Xalzaix's Veiled Eye] ?
boreal depot
tendril or blockades (if you have it)
grim prism
Veiled eye is good for pvp, but prot isnt lol
wild bolt
LOL, true enough
past ledge
i have blockades and Tendril 370
wild bolt
Arms + Veil though... sweet.
wild bolt
Remind me the stats on the Tendril? Str/Crit? And the on-use spawn?
dusk locust
i got a 370 tendril but i thought it was a dps thing
wild bolt
Oof.
boreal depot
What would be most optimal setup with these trinkets 370 Galecaller's Beak 370 Disc of Sys 345 Rezan 355 Blockades ? For M+ or Raids?
sorry for the spam
uneven mason
Galecallers is pretty strong is it not
grim prism
370 disc is a solid str stick but the proc has no defensive value
Galecallers is str stick with haste on-use
wild bolt
Yeah, if all you've got are those 3 @past ledge , I'd go Jes's & Veil if it's content that is a death risk for you, and Jes's/ Tendril for trivial/low key content. Sorry for the delay, students kept asking questions lol.
grim prism
Which is probably going to be better offensively than defensively, but isnt bad at all
boreal depot
ok i'll continue with beak/blockades until i get a higher rezan
boreal depot
how big of an ilvl up?
sinful helm
like if the diference is like 30
boreal depot
ilvl
sinful helm
upgrading 340 to 370
boreal depot
as long as you can keep deaf on one piece ur good
weary notch
8.1 being datamined. What's the spread on getting zero changes?
grim prism
@sinful helm deafening crash > ilvl > haste > everything else
You only need one DC
But you must have one DC
uneven mason
🤷 Brunhilda..mathematically nothing wrong with warriors - no fixes in coming.
warm spear
prot warrior is fine, i can tank +15 keys no problem
wild bolt
I would really love to see what they were baking up when they pulled IP during beta, I'm just not sure that we'll see it during 8.x
and I would LOVE to pick your brain about tanking anything above a 10, because Underrot ROCKED my world 2 days ago, @warm spear
iron forum
anyone else notice that they hotfixed m+ sometime in the last 24 hours so that every teeming pack can see stealth to stop you from shrouding past? fucking stupid, they didnt mention that anywhere
dusk locust
ain't nobody tanking +15 with no problems
grim prism
I hear underrot is turbocancer this week @wild bolt
I'm sitting on a 9 I don't even want to run right now haha
signal plover
Key level?
grim prism
I thought you said "half hour" and I was about to congratulate you on making it work
KR is one of those dungeons that's a lot easier than it seems overall, but once you add teeming it's just cruel
I missed timer on a 7 KR this week 
Have a buddy who ran it with two boomies and abused the fuck out of tauntyboiz to timer it
Sometimes gimmick keys call for gimmick strats
@dusk locust preach
As in "continue preaching", not "Preach can do it"
junior ivy
is anyone here good at vuhdo?
open bluff
but the trolls tell me to stay away from the vuhdo
cloud bone
I'm still sitting on bugged keys got a 13 motherlode first week and it's been going down by 1 each week even when I bring it down to a 10
so I got an 11 shrine this week
daring marlin
grim prism
@cloud bone i think thats normal
Not intended, but normal
If you ran your big dick week one key at all, even to torpedo it to a 10, they gave you another one on week two
cloud bone
well guess I'm lucky I got the bugged cache and they didn't remove the key then 😛
cus that's where I got the 13 motherlode from
open bluff
it degrades by one level each week until it's down to 2, unless you run a higher key iirc
so do a 13 and it keeps losing 1 level a week from that point until you do another 13 or something higher than whatever your granted key is
cloud bone
does it have to be in time?
like if I get a 10 next week and complete it not in time do i get another 10 the next week?
odd geode
You get a 9 im pretty sure.
junior ivy
how do i remove a glyph
split flint
355 jess or 355 rezans? Bloackades as other trinket
Also what should be my stats be to tank effectively?
stuck oxide
Please read the pin
split flint
whoops sorry
feral mauve
Lol no best in slot list. At least give some guidelines instead of using the ”titanforging” excuse
undone sun
@junior ivy Vanishing Powder
final mist
There are guidelines.
undone sun
sold by just about any vendor
junior ivy
tyyyyy
astral crystal
starting to feel like there wont be class changes this ptr pass
grim prism
Sure there will be, just for the ones they already said they were still working on for 8.1 lol
priest and shammy
sick sentinel
so my warrior friend is insisting on running the IP talent and the Impending Victory talent.... just how bad is that?
grim prism
Pretty bad
final mist
"Shooting himself in the foot" bad
grim prism
By running IV he is giving up on 15%+ haste, which is costing him block uptime and rage gen. Kind of self-defeatingly ensures he will need IV in the first place
sick sentinel
his reasoning, and its insane to me, so i thought i would check, is that "i can hit a big IP when im nearly dead and give the healer a few seconds"
grim prism
And I dont remember what Never Surrender competes with, because whatever it competes with is mandatory for similar reasoms
final mist
Bolster.
grim prism
Oh wow
undone sun
jesus that reason...
cloud bone
we got a blue post from Lore
final mist
NS competes with Bolster, which means it doesn't compete at all,
grim prism
Bolster is probably tied with AM for our single most important talent
Bolster lets you use Last Stand as a filler for shield block downtime
Without it youre going to be facetanking melees with no mitigation for like 70% of the time
@cloud bone link that plz
sick sentinel
explains why he falls over dead at a good sneeze
plain vapor
cloud bone
Whenever I use LS it feels like stuff is hitting me through block even tho I know it's not
ruby sapphire
It's happening!
astral crystal
im scared
open bluff
"buffs"
grim prism
Inb4 they nerf deafening crash lmao
stray atlas
Why are we getting buffed?
open bluff
got my shield ready
grim prism
Because IP is tuned like shit and feels bad to press
upper spoke
whoa
astral crystal
deafening crash nerfed, AM synergies nerfed, 5% armor increase
enjoy your buffs :)))
upper spoke
defensive buffs. i wasnt expecting that. i feel as good as other tanks
grim prism
I think most prot wars feel good as other tanks
upper spoke
well brew is my only other tank, but well played warrior feels okay
grim prism
See what i did there
upper spoke
hey id love some magic mirigation
shut summit
👀
upper spoke
9 shrine tore me up yesterday
mellow bridge
Hope it's actually smth that matters
cloud bone
we have the best magic mitigation what you mean
stray atlas
Bruh you got SR once every half minute
grim prism
SR, demo, SW*
mellow bridge
Some sort of buff vs non blockable dmg in general would be nice
Bleeds, ranged mobs etc just hurt so much
candid cove
magic shield coatings
upper spoke
pallies get them
mellow bridge
SeemsGood
candid cove
apply like poisons lol
cloud bone
I get magic armor on top of my armor to make me take less damage
grim prism
Here's hoping they add a pwingggg sound to successful reflects for flavor
grim prism
Oh you mean the leggo they deactivated this expac?
cloud bone
I just want to have the full SR duration always but still only reflect 1 spell
ya know that one trait
mellow bridge
ngl a soundeffect for a reflected spell would be nice lmao
cloud bone
I wonder if you could make a WA do it?
grim prism
You absolutely could
mellow bridge
Yea
stray atlas
I'd personally like SR to absorb the attacks for the duration then your next shield slam apply the damage/debuffs to your target
mellow bridge
They wont change how entire spells work probably
Tuning only means some number changes afaik
wooden radish
it said tuning adjustments e.g. more armor or something.
prisma crane
dont get me wrong, i'd love defensive buffs, but we need actual utility, but i'll take what i can get for now
tiny rapids
merry cave
defensives buffs wont help the status of ok in raids shit in m+
it will still be the perception
prisma crane
if we're by far teh most "tanky" tank, it'll go a long way for raids, and prob bring us to solid middle ground for M+
but we have to own that top "tanky" spot or no dice
merry cave
be a pretty substaintail buff to out 'tanky' monks atm
prisma crane
i still think the key lies in utility, tuning wise we're not nearly as bad as ppl think
true, but with new tank meta, monks still take a shit load of healer attention
mellow bridge
Utility would require some spell changes or smth completely new which won't happen outside of major patches
prisma crane
agreed
grim prism
@stray atlas thats actually a really cool idea imo
cloud bone
shout is ok
mellow bridge
So we'll be stuck with only some number changes for now
which is still very welcome imho
Doesnt have to be big, but a few small changes
cloud bone
yeah I'm always down to take less damage
merry cave
8.1 is a major patch though,, if its going to happen it'll be now or 9.0
cloud bone
I did a 9 atal and was getting trucked by everything even through SW but I think that's just cus of fortified teeming
prisma crane
yea like i said, i'll welcome a buff, who wouldnt, but i dont think it'll change much for M+
but a start is a start
mellow bridge
At least it shows that they acknowledge us needing some work
merry cave
it'll be interesting if the buff coincides with a DC nerf, because at that point might as well play ssomething else in keys lol
grim prism
Only things that super duper hurt in atal are either melee bleed stacks or missed kicks i think
Like yeah anything feels like shit on a 9 this week, but it could be waaaaay worse than AD
remote thunder
Kings rest 9 tore me a new one
grim prism
Oh or if one of the skyscreechers decides to evade but casts their fear anyway
Thats mot fun
cloud bone
I'm dreading doing my 10 Shrine
grim prism
I have a 9 UR and my friends are telling me horror stories
cloud bone
dude there's a pack with 3 sky screamers in atal
merry cave
only did a 8 or 9 (dont remember) but it wasnt bad, KR was fucking horrid though
remote thunder
Did shrine 10, its ur party dying there, youll be fine
ember arrow
@cloud bone what about it?
grim prism
Ironically that threepack of screamers was probs our smoothest pull in the whole run haha
mellow bridge
I honestly just want to get my +10 done and be done with m+ for the week
merry cave
hahahaha, @cloud bone that 3 pack got me, i saw the two and charged in saying on discord 'dw guys its only 2 we got this' then by the time charge connected i realised i had fucked up
ember arrow
assign who kicks what
cloud bone
it sucked because the people who I ran with didn't know the concept of cc or interrupt
grim prism
We wiped because of an evade bug and had to go through that way for time
mellow bridge
And yea UR is a horror this week
grim prism
Literally just put markers on two, said "i got one" and DPS said he had another, rolled stuns after first kicks
grim prism
Winged it SO HARD and it went perfectly lol
cloud bone
we tried doing interrupt assigning but someone let a fear through and it was gg
mellow bridge
Don't forget to get out of fear yourself
grim prism
Im amazed we made it at all, let alone so smoothly
cloud bone
I know I can get out of it
cloud bone
But my interrupt was down so it didn't help
grim prism
You can get out of it just in time to watch your healer slowboat into the triceratops pat lmao
PURGE HIM oh wait fuck
Dispel w/e... moot point in this case
fierce juniper
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20769068522#post-18
Prot buffs coming in the next few weeks
desert moth
solid mist
the physical universe is not large enough to contain the finger quotes necessary to surround the word "buffs" in that sentance
cause blizz "buffs" whew... sometimes they are something
ember arrow
time to get my warrior out of the basement?
jovial dagger
oooo ive literally been waiting to come back after i saw some fixes for warrior
solid mist
good news. all warriors are drunks now. enjoy your new mechanic, stagger
jovial dagger
i really hope its some good retuning. its really sad they let this happen to prot warrior
inland mesa
3rd charge of shield block. IP off GCD and fin
low haven
what talent build is the best for M+? can't really find anything specific for M+ on icy-veins
ember arrow
isnt there a m+ section
elfin apex
When is the Tides of Vengeance patch released?
quaint kiln
I don't want 3x shield block costing 30rage each. Make shield block free, IP off GCD and prevent 75%
low haven
@ember arrow ohh yes there is, just need to look thoroughly thansk m8
quaint kiln
also make devastator good again
grim prism
Lol those are some pretty steep requirements guy
solid mist
lol free shield blocks? insert <how can I hold all these limes> meme here with rage
grim prism
Dont worry, you can dump all your rage into ofd-global IP now. So you can faceroll devastate like 7.0 all over again while you wait for your builders to come off ICD
astral crystal
reworking NS - shield block will block up to 100% more damage based on missing health
K a p p a
grim prism
This is either minor IP tuning, or a veiled omen of DC nerfs
sinful vortex
Prot buffs poggers
broken kite
"we've tweaked your passive, you now get 47.5% of str as armour, enjoy!"
slate vine
I would actually hope for some self heal, like making Impending Victory baseline, IP off GDC and a 5-10% increase in stamina
astral crystal
Regarding this upcoming tuning pass, I wouldn't expect it to be something that solves every Prot Warrior grievance, but it should hopefully help while we look into potential further adjustments.
hm
slate vine
Then 10% stamina increase and IP off GDC would be fine as an hotfix lawl
mellow bridge
I'd love to have impending victory as baseline
Feels so bad having to rely on basically rng to get a heal or not in a pug
slate vine
I would also be up for some changes regarding shield block value
junior ivy
how does vanishing powder work
astral crystal
well for one, you dont want to ingest it
urban reef
"I'd also like to submit the argument that, while class balance certainly isn't perfect right now, it's also the beginning of an expansion" Stop bloody changeing shit every expac for no discernible reason then, maybe?
iron forum
idk steve, I honestly like how they are willing to change stuff. prot certainly didn't pan out, but the overhaul they did for fury and arms was really well done, prot missed the mark a bit to say the least but im hoping they can fix it
id rather have them experiment when they think they can improve a spec'd play and occasionally fail then never change anything
merry cave
I agree @mellow bridge I'd love IV baseline, it's a good middle ground of not being self sustain but enough to buy us some time in some shitty moments
iron forum
IV really does need to be baselane or get a huge buff, its laughable how unviable it is
merry cave
Now dps is catching up to my aoe I'm not getting tons of free resets on VR lol
sick sentinel
IP will be removed in 8.1. would anyone like to wager against me?
digital arrow
yeah i will wager against u
blissful imp
Lore's posts in the past hour smell real bad of "We still don't know what to do with Prot Warrior..."
urban reef
@iron forum Thats true, but not when most of the prot warr community are telling you it's rubbish and what ideas might work better, or just revert things.
spiral acorn
Any tips on Zul HC in P2, if the other tank is slow at switching (cause of crushers) the damage taken is insane
old night
I was thinking about IV Bobby, would love to see something like that
same thought, making it baseline
solid mist
@sick sentinel needing on bows and fucking over hunters like errday
sick sentinel
sorry hunters but it's got more stam than my current one
solid mist
I'm literally having flashbacks
sick sentinel
I hope they do something cool with Devastate. It's a shell of it's former self
stiff orbit
I'm waiting for all they do being buffing Devastator
and expecting that to be enough
tiny sphinx
ill take an IP nerf and even a DC nerf to get mannoroth healing back, or old devastator
chrome falcon
tiny sphinx
or, ya know, IP off the global
chrome falcon
Something to watch here
stiff orbit
Why get IP nerfed more though
chrome falcon
Also, mannoroth's would be garbage in BFA
stiff orbit
when it's already not great lol
chrome falcon
We don't spend enough rage, and none of it off the GCD
Mannoroth's wouldn't do shit
stiff orbit
also LOL at that pic
urban reef
wait, what is this taunt neft now?
tiny sphinx
it would be garbage, but better than nothing like we have now
tiny sphinx
threat is still too good, obviously
solid mist
you know what the masses were clamoring for. more threat problems. it's a fun combat puzzle
😐
chrome falcon
Imagine being a guardian druid on skittish week
stiff orbit
lol
chrome falcon
And your havoc DH pops meta and BL on a boss
You can never get aggro back
It's literally impossible
torn gulch
I mean it's not like there were a very small number of tanks already
stiff orbit
yeah, basically group up with an Arms warrior popping Warbreaker/Bladestorm
you're never getting threat back on skittish weeks
suck it tanks
urban reef
suck it heals*
tiny sphinx
basically everyone but ranged dipis since they get that 30% buffer
torn gulch
I will enjoyed being shouted at by dps and healers for not maintaining aggro
sick sentinel
poor healers just can't catch a break this xpac
chrome falcon
I REALLY hope we're getting a new mastery
Our current one is literally strictly worse than prot pally
grizzled pecan
What if new mastery is buffing absorb ratio for IP?
chrome falcon
Theirs does the same as ours, but also gives them more defensive buffs inside consecration
Then it would be garbage
stiff orbit
^^^
solid mist
pull -> watch arms war charge in and spin -> shrug emoji
chrome falcon
I think we might see a nighthold style rework maybe with some playstyle changing talents. I hope so at least
Jesus christ just give me back Focused Rage I'm literally gagging for it
grizzled pecan
I'm honestly not sure where mastery could go
torn gulch
Then that war berates you for not holding aggro when you wipe
ember crest
I'd settle for IP being off GCD
torn gulch
It's fun being a tank in bfa
sick sentinel
bonestorm autists are the worst
chrome falcon
IP off the GCD would not be as big of a buff as you think it is
torn gulch
ip will never be taken off the GCD
chrome falcon
Get used to it
torn gulch
never
tiny sphinx
old devastator would be nice
ember crest
It's not just makes our shit less clunky
chrome falcon
All we need is for Revenge to actually do something
It's a damage based rage dump
That doesn't dump rage
And does no damage
solid mist
respec arms b/c groups needs dps -> tank pulls -> I charge in and spin -> no regrets
frosty wedge
lol
half merlin
wait so are the taunt changes legit? they on the PTR or something?
glass rune
Ye
past ledge
is 355 azerite gear with bis traits better than 370 with t2 or t3 traits?
ember crest
Cycling with TC on ava, revenge is useful in that way, but outside of that, eh
chrome falcon
I'd be pretty happy if we had a button that was off the GCD
That just spend 20 rage
And did literally nothing else
ember crest
This
chrome falcon
So I could keep cycling TC during avatar and dump rage
chrome falcon
We aren't garbage
tiny sphinx
a baked in orange glove passive would be nice
grizzled pecan
Heroic Strike intensifies
iron forum
what taunt changes? i don't see it on wowhead
ember crest
Tc IP TC etc feels weird to me
chrome falcon
heroic strike would make me cum if we got it back
sick sentinel
HS is that you?
grizzled pecan
Taunt will no longer provide bonus threat
solid mist
I really think master should just do something else. crit block is a cool idea.. but like... does it really help us much? I want predictable things
frosty wedge
HS was fun when they just made it modify your next autoatatck
chrome falcon
@ember crest I actually really like the TC cycling playstyle, it just feels bad when you massively overcap on rage and 1) pressing IP does nothing and 2) revenge has procced so it won't even spend rage
revenge would be better if it never procced
hot take
ember crest
I don't think that nerf will hurt us that bad, we already so a good deal of damage, I don't have threat issues and I rarely need to use taunt single Target boss or otherwise
tiny sphinx
careful what you wish for
ember crest
It's just an odd nerf imo
tiny sphinx
had to taunt eitrigg in the warfront since he has a threat drop, that was a novel experience
half merlin
what about that crit block someone linked? i didnt read that much of it, but like what would the ffect be? value mastery more or less, is what im getting at. or no change at all?
undone sun
Possibility it's just a tooltip change, they are trying to simplify the tooltips so hold back until we know more
for the taunt changes*
chrome falcon
The PTR mining says our mastery is removed
Could just be a weird tooltip thing
Could mean we're getting a new mastery
undone sun
yeah idk about that yet
grizzled pecan
Also I think there was a blue post regarding taunt nerf
undone sun
link?
winged elm
Blizz said they don't know how to give prot love yet, what would be some realistic changes they could make?
sick sentinel
long list intensifies
half merlin
dual wield shields
iron forum
i think the #1 change we all want is ip back off the gcd
but idk if that's gonna happen unfortauntely
chrome falcon
Give us back the unique animation for shield slam we used to have
No, IP on the GCD is good
sick sentinel
gun pulls but it is a machine gun so it acts like a paladin's avenger's shield
chrome falcon
I was extremely against it, but I like it now
iron forum
why do you like it? genuinely curious
ember crest
Fuck that, take it back off imo
chrome falcon
Because in Legion I didn't make any decision on IP