but i think its a tie between cata and wod for worst xpac
#protection
stark sage
storm valley
I only played right at the end of Cata and just grinded those End Time dungeons
was fun
stark sage
i couldnt stand cata, pop culture references, lazily designed raids, class balance wasnt great either
hot locust
I'm having fun for the most part with BFA.... when it works.
stark sage
bfa is okay so far
storm valley
I like BFA a lot other than not enjoying Prot as much and the new stuff not being as good as Legion's new stuff
neon tangle
I also am the weird one that likes the slower pace of tanking
Feels like my decisions have more impact
storm valley
doesn't feel like I'm hitting buttons any less fast than previously, I just don't have a get out of jail free
stark sage
aoe during avatar is really fast
spice musk
i have since bfa problems to spent rage im to often on rage cap
storm valley
yeah I enjoy the Avatar/Demo TC loop
stark sage
@spice musk make sure you are keeping IP rolling and spend rage on revenge if you have to
spice musk
at how much rage do you guys spend rage for ip ?
stark sage
pretty much anytime the IP bubble is about to run out i hit anew one
keep block up ofc
storm valley
I stopped trying to ever use revenge basically
gaunt coyote
wasnt it just rogue and mage legendaries imbalancing cata?
ocean acorn
i think i have a really bad habit from legion from when vengence was a thing
so i instinctively press revenge
but i can fix that
storm valley
I got that bad habit with the revenge trait during the expansion :x
earnest sand
@ocean acorn change your keybinds 😉 That fixed that problem for me pretty quick
ocean acorn
ya i was thinking about that
dapper radish
could someone tell me which ofr these traits is best for prot? Heed my call, unstable flames, or lifespeed . think its life speed but want your opinion
steel mauve
icyveins guide has a lit of traits and how they are ranked
ocean acorn
lifespeed
dapper radish
thanks
sick sentinel
🙃
ocean acorn
is there some where tat explains block rating?
sick sentinel
There are times where the IP is almost full though so you will spend 40 rage for a 8k shield or some shit, so I use revenge there and hope for my SS to reset so I end up spending more rage for AM
stark sage
@ocean acorn the guide has a section im pretty sure
ocean acorn
ok, have been looking at it but i dont see it
is it the icyveins guide?
found it, it wasnt on the guides
its on skyhold.gg
sick tree
Man
My guild suddenly died in weird circumstance
We were progressing just fine on heroic , then suddenly people just defected and formed their own guild. So I'm just out of a guild.. and guild hunting has been hard
I don't really want to play DPS, it's kind of boring to play fury/arms tbh. But god damn can I please find a stable guild that needs a tank
static pilot
I'll be honest with you, most guilds tend to recruit tanks in-house
sick tree
It's even harder now that the prot is very bad meme is in full swing atm
static pilot
Bad/flaky tanks can hold up raids in a way a healer or dps can't so most raid leads want tanks they already know
And as Gyper said, it's not the most welcoming environment for Prot out there atm
solid mist
ya'll just use jes' howler to help fill in when SB is down or to double up for big hits?
nto just using it on CD right?
finally got a 340 version of it
static pilot
Macroing it to something and using it on CD is better than never using it but ideally you use it as an extra cooldown
solid mist
it translates to lie... ~4% dmg reduction right?
static pilot
Depends on the ilevel
sick tree
Now people are telling me to just reroll for being a prot warrior :v
sick tree
Yeah I'm fully invested in this prot warrior
static pilot
Get used to it ^^
solid mist
also I care not for class lore/feel/etc.
sick tree
I can handle myself just fine in high M+ and heroic raid content. We're not unviable, we just are harder to play
until we get a rebalance
solid mist
replace all classes with basic geometric shapes and all abilities with "ability 1" "ability 2" so everyone will be happy
twin eagle
Weak attack, strong attack, stronger attack
sick tree
Like I like the prot playstyle of just hard mitigation and have been a prot main since Wrath
Bear is boring , paladin is alright. Monk is pretty fun but don't feel like investing in a monk
solid mist
hey man. just igve blizzard some more money and get some character boosts
play all the tanks why don't you
jeez, you are so ungrateful to all those dps out there
static pilot
Good for you man, play what you enjoy :)
Just be aware that Prot is literally a meme to the community atm
solid mist
but same. I just love the idea of this fantastical world with crazyt magic and warlocks and demons and shit... what are we.. people in fucking plate mail with a shield... that's it
😂
sick tree
Do people forget that brewmaster was in the same position at the start of legion
Where they were the biggest memes
static pilot
You may have more luck joining a raid team as arms or fury, getting to know them and tank for them in m+ etc
sick tree
And then became the most powerful tank
twin eagle
No....they were very strong in Legion too
brittle timber
Monks were drunken gods against Gul'dan
static pilot
Sure, but Druid was the king of raiding in legion
twin eagle
BrM was a very close 2nd
static pilot
Grats Cat :)
junior ivy
ty
sick tree
brewmasters has a very weak start until they got some hotfixes and buffs at the start
It's weird how blizzard hasn't addressed anything with prot with no hotfixes yet
static pilot
I'll be honest, I think they had to release Prot half finished
And I hope they haven't touched it because they want to rework it on the PTR for 8.1
sick tree
It was half finished
IP was a last minute thought
They kept fiddling around with it in the middle of beta
static pilot
Idd
broken kite
I'd be surprised to see changes in 8.1
brittle timber
I kinda think prot warrior is in a wierd spot where we can easily be strongest with a minor buff
sick tree
i know it's a pipe dream but
sick sentinel
I wanna see the new AZ traits in 8.1
static pilot
Agreed but it's a hard sell. The Prot fantasy for a lot of people doesn't include self healing of any kind
sick tree
They were playing around with a version of IP that used your rage as a health bar
broken kite
Prot fantasy is being subpar apparently
static pilot
Personally I find it depressing but it's a common attitude
sick tree
But scrapped it and made the dumb one we have right now
sick sentinel
With IP absorbing 50% instead of 90% I think they would be better
static pilot
That's not the Prot fantasy, that's the Prot reality ^^
brittle timber
warrior fantasy is a lack of fantasy
cloud bone
how many stacks should we take on Zul Heroic 2?
static pilot
3
sick sentinel
Warrior fantasy exists uncle
I play fury for the sole reason I can dualwield 2handers
And that sweet, sweet rampage animation
brittle timber
rampage does feel so much better with the haste affected animation
sick sentinel
Yeah
It was actually the change I was most hyped about for BfA
On the other hand I was an encha shaman main so there were not a lot I was hyped about
brittle timber
does it bug ANYONE else that every single attack everyone does comes from the left?
digital arrow
lol didnt even notice
brittle timber
watch a frost dk....worst example of it
digital arrow
ok
upbeat folio
I have a +8 atal key. What's my dream team? Rest Druid/Frost/BM/Arms?
brittle timber
just wait between every pull for bladestorm...gg
sick sentinel
Resto druid 🤢
upbeat folio
I have had a lot of success with resto druids so far. Is something else preferable for us at high keys?/
sick sentinel
All my best runs are with holy palas (there are 2 really good holy palas in my guild maybe that's why)
sick sentinel
Monks are really nice
static pilot
But if you know and mesh well with a good resto druid that can work sure
Bm is solid as range
I'd take a havoc DH over an arms warrior
sick sentinel
The good thing about having a resto though is that you have a CR
static pilot
Arms does great damage but doesn't really bring too much else to the table
Indeed
I also really like frost mage if there's kiting needed
sick sentinel
I have had very good experiences with F mages
exotic umbra
the sad part in all this is that I really enjoy the game play of the warrior. It is just inferior to my blood DK, which does everything in its current iteration better. While the warrior does okay, it is hard justifying the current state of the warrior comparatively.
upbeat folio
@exotic umbra It's a thing. Better to not linger on it. Play what you enjoy.
sick sentinel
@exotic umbra what is your current progression and highest m+s?
Because if you are pushing in a high end environment, play what is better at the moment
hexed obsidian
Are prots ok tanks to take thrash from fetid?
sick sentinel
But if you play because you enjoy the game and like doing +10s and thats it then play what you enjoy
hexed obsidian
prot warriors*
random finch
Yer but I love being the main tank on fetid
sick sentinel
@hexed obsidian it's the thing we do best in that god forsaken raid
hexed obsidian
Lol gotcha
sick sentinel
We run double prot warrior comp and an the off tank
random finch
My dk partner takes the thrash
sick sentinel
I love taking thrashes tbh
random finch
I love main tanking
Until you get to the point where you find the down time and get one shot feels bad
daring marlin
MT is fun
sick sentinel
And I was back on track
exotic umbra
The problem with prot is the gaps in mitigation and unless there is a total spec redesign they will continue to be inferior to DKs and Monks in every aspect. Paladins and DHs have the same problem, but it isn't as glaring. So playing what is better atm will probably be the same tanks this entire expansion.
random finch
If they just give us something to fill the gap it would be ok cause ever other tank has some way to fill the gaps if there is any
sick sentinel
I just want to bring SB to 12 sec CD down from 13
exotic umbra
IP needs a buff. SB needs a reduction in rage cost. Intercept and demo shout need to be off the GCD.
random finch
The change I want most is sb to be 12 sec CD
sick sentinel
Because that whole external came from a a gap in mitigation and that came from having to press LS in that one sec between SBs
static pilot
Isn't it 16 sec baseline atm?
sick sentinel
my guild has demoted me to pure DPS in raids now, simply because of how prot warrs are depicted by the community....feelsbad
exotic umbra
Increasing the CD on SB and reducing IP to 50% had significant impacts on the quality of life for prot Warriors. They are basically unplayable in high keys and mythic raiding right now.
A good M+ pug won’t and shouldn’t take a Warrior.
random finch
Well there not unplayable
static pilot
That's too strong. They're bad, theyre not unplayable
solid mist
I mean... shit even if they were unmovable masses of not-taking-damage... they dont' provide the same utility as other tanks in an M+ scenario
exotic umbra
They are unplayable in pugs.
static pilot
They punish mistakes severely and even when played optimally they're not meaningfully better than other tanks, but they're not unplayable
raven kernel
How is prot unplayable in mythic raiding
static pilot
Well, I can see it if you're pugging mythic raiding
random finch
There not unplayable it’s just shooting yourself in the foot to do it
raven kernel
😂
static pilot
But that's gonna be a rough time no matter what tank you bring
sick sentinel
I do not mind the 50%, or the strength of IP, I just do not like the fact that it stacks to 125%
It feels bad
exotic umbra
Good point Cap
static pilot
I 100% agree Cap
exotic umbra
I am not bashing the warrior. I love my warrior and desperately wish Blizzard would look at this.
vagrant cape
My best 3 rings are a 350 haste/crit, 355 crit/haste, and a 370 crit/vers. I'm sitting at 36% haste with 5 stacks of ITF (about 18.5% with 0 stacks) which ring should I ditch?
vagrant bridge
340 haste mas shield or 350 crit vers o.O
exotic umbra
But it is a design flaw. The changes to mitigation are glaring holes that need to be reversed and the GCD changed.
vagrant cape
ilvl > all
static pilot
Just asking that people be a little careful with the hyperbole. We're subpar, we're frustrating, we're counterintuitive, we're clunky - yes, all of the above. But we're not unplayable
At least not yet
vagrant cape
@vagrant bridge ilvl > all for non-jewellery
raven kernel
What kudaku said
random finch
@static pilot shut up cunt before they do something to make that happen 😂
digital arrow
99 rage
static pilot
@hugys I'll be dead honest, I think DC is on the chopping block
vagrant bridge
having so much crit feels bad D:
But okies
vagrant cape
I just had a resto druid say (after a +10 waycrest) "they said warriors are hard to heal but you didn't feel squishy at all."
it warmed my heart
static pilot
But I hope it doesn't happen till Prot gets some serious tuning
vagrant cape
(345 shield btw)
digital arrow
gj byron!
random finch
Hold up dc?
vagrant bridge
It took until after my first mythic keystone that I got a shield
raven kernel
@vagrant cape pretty much any good warrior should get that compliment
vagrant bridge
My very first chest gave me that 350 shield
static pilot
Deafening Crash
random finch
Oh right I love that trait
static pilot
The azerite equivalent of duct tape holding Prot together atm
vagrant cape
@raven kernel stop it, I'm gonna cry fans face
raven kernel
People saying they can't do 10s on a warrior.... Sorry you're just not good.
sick sentinel
@vagrant bridge I thought so too about crit until you go to manor and you see a "crush" with 15 stacks and it says parry
digital arrow
byron how'd u do on time?
vagrant cape
I'll happily sacrifice DC if we get changes that actually let us have talent diversity
solid mist
^
sick sentinel
I hope the new 8.1 traits are good
solid mist
the fact that DC is not only top pick, but required to the point of sacrificing like 35 ilvls for it indicates it should be removed or nerfed hard. AND that something should be tuned such that it isn't needed that much
vagrant bridge
@sick sentinel yeah, if anyone wanted a <350 warrior for -anything-
vagrant cape
we were like 20 minutes over on time but the dps was suuuper low. we had people at 11.7k, 11k, 9.3k, and 8.5k overall. I was the 9.3k :\
exotic umbra
I said unplayable in high key pugs. With a solid group they are tolerable. But communication is paramount with the current state of warriors.
static pilot
Imagine if they reduce DC to ,5 sec tomorrow but with no other changes to Prot
vagrant cape
I'm jumping ship
vagrant bridge
I play Ele sham and prot warrior
vagrant cape
do you need help?
solid mist
damn son
vagrant bridge
Fuck Blizz and their "class diversity" buffs to the pure dps specs
vagrant cape
there are people you can call
static pilot
All I'm saying is that they've made it super clear 'this trait is worth 35 ilevels' is a big problem. They haven't said shit about prot
vagrant cape
maybe they'll buff the other traits to the absurdly broken level of DC? 😄
raven kernel
They know they can't take away dc right now
static pilot
They've already nerfed several overperforming traits and have said more are otw
final mist
You guys say that, but Bastion was left the way it was it's entire stay in Legion.
static pilot
Class balance that's not shaman? Crickets
raven kernel
Pretty sure they are preparing a big package of updates/changes that include dc nerf but offset elsewhere
static pilot
That's what I'm praying for
Skipping 370 shoulders because you need a trait is a terrible feeling and shouldn't happen (IMO)
At the same time DC is massively. Important for Prot atm so we don't have Much choice
final mist
Getting a DC nerf and buffs to the spec would most likely result in an overall net nerf unless the changes to the spec are massive in comparison.
And by massive, I mean, "Literally changes the entire spec"
solid mist
^
static pilot
Fingers crossed Sal
final mist
Fingers crossed for a net nerf?
raven kernel
People want that "literally changed entire spec" though
final mist
Jesus
static pilot
Fingers crossed for a massive rework
sick sentinel
Make the honor talent that makes DC 15 sec cd baseline
final mist
We need like three changes and we'd be in a much better spot
sick sentinel
Easy
vagrant bridge
Yeah it feels like they're blasting shaman's currently best single target build; removing two talents that ARE used, but underappreciated because of the cleave in uldir. And warriors don't have it much better.
Yeah I need help. Too loyal to my characters.
raven kernel
Catering to casuals is their specialty
static pilot
It's o ly my opinion but I fundamentally dislike how Prot tanks atm. I'd much rather play HR style but atm our entire talent tree is designed around AM
vagrant cape
I figured it out. Here's how to fix prot:
DC: Reduce extension to 0.5 seconds
Callous reprisal: Revenge now extends demo shout by 0.5s
Brace for impact: Shield slam extends DS by 0.5 seconds
Reinforced plating: Shield block adds its duration to last stand
Iron fortress: blocking an attack extends the duration of demo shout by 0.1 second (can occur once every second)
bloodsport: IP extends demo shout by 0.5 seconds on all enemies within 12 yards
they all stack
Fixed. drops chalk
static pilot
HR means shooting yourself in the foot atm
Lol, I like some of it. Make the reinforced plating baseline though
Wait.. Do you mean SB adds +6 sec to LS or that LS also gives an independent 15 sec shield block that you can extend? ^^
Because I like the latter, the former might be a little crazy
vagrant cape
it worked with or without bolster, so if you used last stand then shield block, it would do last stand (bolstered or not) and add 6 seconds to it
static pilot
I see
vagrant cape
so if you use bolster, it would add 6 seconds to the block, so you couldn't waste blocks in last stand anymore
static pilot
So if you go HR and stack haste you could get 30-40 sec LS?
vagrant cape
sure, why not? our health pool is pitiful
solid mist
ya'll are punishing yourselves by coming up with good ideas that will be overshadowed by some dumb shit outta blizz
vagrant cape
good idea
what I just posted
pick one
static pilot
Lol!
sick sentinel
HR felt sooooo good with t21
solid mist
HR makes sense with the offensive oriented style/feel of a war
final mist
Why would you ever have used HR with t21 when AM exists
a 20 sec CD on BC wasn't appealing?
static pilot
Depends on the fight doesn't it?
sick sentinel
Because something feeling good is not the same with it being actually good
final mist
AM was always the case from NH onwards in Legion
vagrant cape
anger management also fits the style. Using as much shit as you can to keep the fire burning
final mist
Same as it's always the case in BfA
undone sun
higher BC uptime >>>>> 30% more ss damage
final mist
The problem with AM (even now) is that both the kit and the talents work so well with it that nothing else matters
sick sentinel
I might be just bad at the game then
final mist
You'd need an expansion-level redesign to completely and fundamentally change the class to shift the paradigm
solid mist
well and the fact that we desperately need gap fillers for mitigation downtime that AM is a lifeline
final mist
THey won't give that to us in a mid-expansion patch, no matter what they say
static pilot
Well, if HR nullified mitigation downtime we'd have two equally viable options
solid mist
dual wield shields. mainhand for physical attakcs. offhand for magic. done
sick sentinel
AM in bfa is a undisputed that's fair
final mist
AM lowers mitigation downtime by the sheer fact that it synergizes with both Bolster and Last Stand
static pilot
Go HR for bosses with constant physical damage, go AM for tank swap and magical fights
final mist
Which in turn synergize with the other talents
There are 3 easy changes that could help change a lot of prot's problems
And they're simple
static pilot
But you need to massively buff HR (and ravager(lol)) to make them viable alternatives
sick sentinel
Would HR be good on MT fetid?
final mist
- IP off the GCD, so we can spend Rage faster (especially in AoE situations), and enables us to have smoother gameplay and damage intake, for both physical and magical damage.
- A higher base health pool.
- Devastator baseline, because a filler spell like Devastate feels like ass to hit because it isn't rewarding. It doesn't do anything other than exist and sometimes reset SS, which everything else already does anyways.
Not all of our problems are gone, but we're in a much better spot with this
static pilot
Say if HR reduced CD on SB by 4 seconds and kept its current effect. You'd still lose out on damage to AM but it would help solve the spike problem a lot of warriors report
final mist
And we still aren't as strong as BRM with these changes 😬
static pilot
I agree with all three
raven kernel
1 will kill bad prots even more
final mist
Average Warrior reports spike damage because they suck and don't rotate CDs
sick sentinel
So make indomitable and devastator baseline
raven kernel
Bad prots will dump rage into ip and not sb
static pilot
And because they can't (or won't) deploy IP
final mist
1 will help bad prots because they won't have to make a decision about "do I hit IP or SS - oh, I'm dead"
they can hit both at the same time
undone sun
that wasn't really an issue in legion with ip was already off gcd
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gcd doesn't solve that issue
final mist
^
undone sun
using your brain does
raven kernel
Idk Ive seen so many bad prots come in here complaining they can't keep ip up
static pilot
Rejiggjng rage costs might help too
final mist
Which is why I suggested a HP buff, because that'll give a bit more leeway
Rage costs are fine as they are now
raven kernel
Meaning if ip were ogcd they'd be dumping all their rage into it
static pilot
It's annoying that you can go from 70-0 rage in one GCD
final mist
Most people understand that SB is the main thing to use
undone sun
or maybe it's because they change our rage generation in bfa
final mist
Having a set IP rage cost is fine
undone sun
and making our only dumps on GCD with 1 being an unreliable proc and the other being almost non-existent
static pilot
Let you refresh a stack thats about to time out without burning half your rage bar
inland mesa
hopefully a mythic zek voz kill streaming 😄
static pilot
Gl :)
sick sentinel
GL!
static pilot
No pressure then ^^
uncut fractal
Woyers PepeHands
sick sentinel
I love popping avatar in the first wave of adds and looking at the damage meters (HC zevkoz though)
uncut fractal
taunt after shatter and before 2nd void lash ?
vagrant cape
what would y'all rather have:
18% crit 4% vers, and 14% haste
or
2k less heath, 16% crit, 2% vers, and 17.5% haste?
vagrant cape
rings
raven kernel
Why is your haste so low :(
vagrant cape
I kept getting ilvl upgrades for my 355s D:
I went from 23% haste without ITF to this shit
vagrant cape
me too, man, but everyone has their limit
Also, I'm still using blockades because I don't know what else to use
I just got a 340 plunderbeard flask thing
I was thinking of using it
for more insane avatar burst
hot locust
@final mist yeah now it's just "impossible" fetid prog streaming :^)
vagrant cape
I also have a 360 bandages :Kappa:
final mist
@hot locust have you tried unleashing your inner dark souls and just rolling around the arena until it dies?
vagrant cape
fetid devourer would be a 10/10 dark souls boss
and warriors can't roll, get that monk shit outta here
raven kernel
Sal is a brew 😱
vagrant cape
I wish blizz stuck with the original 9 classes. No one would complain about how much better DKs, monks, and DHs are to warrior tanks.
final mist
I'm a Paladin now, tyvm
vagrant cape
holy shit is no one in this server ACTUALLY a warrior main?
final mist
I just multiclassed, nbd, Paladins are just Warrior-Priests
raven kernel
I am @@
final mist
Also Sense and Lala say 👋
raven kernel
I play all specs
vagrant cape
so are monks just warrior-drunks?
final mist
I believe Lala is actually streaming M Fetid atm
raven kernel
Prot again on fetid eventually
vagrant cape
nice. I'm currently arms for everything. I only tank m+ and I swap to prot to help clear the trash before zul because I do more dps that way XD
next goblet
cant tanks eat 2 of the void lashes on heroic zek'voz?
i know it reduces healing recieved
undone sun
yes
little star
ye u can take all 3 attacks
hot locust
Yeah it's not a problem.
next goblet
ok so our brewmaster is literally fucking it up
raven kernel
For warrior at least
It's not good for brew
Cos stagger still ticks and they can't be healed
sick sentinel
Titan spark?
raven kernel
Could get zapped
sick sentinel
That raid wide damage thing
raven kernel
And on mythic u take global dmg during dance
sick sentinel
Wait don't you take global damage from the rings anyway?
next goblet
after the shatter he should at least have 1 or 2 ox orbs
next goblet
and it doesn't look like hes popping ISB, man his hp SPIKES
sick sentinel
It took us 37 wipes to kill HC zek, it does I know
north dove
357 8/8N, Am i ready for Heroic?
sick sentinel
I actually do not know how other tanks work
I was always a dps main except when I tanked my guilds alt runs with my dk alt on Dragon Soul and T21 as a warrior
raven kernel
Vdh takes 10% less magic dmg passively
And they rely on self healing to offset the dmg afterwards
Which is piss poor after void lash
next goblet
so basically our tanks are shitter for this fight
raven kernel
That's all they have unless they burn their only personal Dr
Which they should
Heroic zekvoz is an absolute joke to warriors
Between last stand, demo, ip, shield block, reflect
All 3 hits of the combo shouldn't even total up to 100% of your hp
On heroic
clear sapphire
Myhic Zekvoz hits a bit harder though :0
vivid sage
raven kernel
I dps for mythic zekvoz but @hot locust tanks it and still takes entire combo fine
Of course u need actual heals on mythic
next goblet
anyone know what the command to turn your FPS off in game is?
like the bottom of my screen shows my FPS
sick sentinel
We are double prot warrior in my guild and we switch after shatter
cloud bone
We can use SR to reduce damage of Essence Sheer on Mythrax right?
hot locust
Yes
raven kernel
Ip + sr
random finch
You can also use SR on ghuun corruption save you from running out
elfin apex
sr?
undone sun
i just miss Legion's SR
random finch
Reflect all spells and 40% dr was soooooo gooood
random finch
All dungeons are “easy” if you keep control of the pulls and trash
Expect shrine last boss that cunt can go burn in hell
floral rock
Gratz
sick tree
Oh damn
it's 5% damage reduction on use? That is nice
At least thats how much the 360 version adds up to
sick sentinel
All the mythic+ are easy if you know the mechanics, what the individual trash mechanics do, know what you should CC or not if you cant kill them fast, know what/when/how to interrupt certain uninterruptible spells with appropriate stun/hard CC disorients, blind, fear, deathcoil, sheeps, and certain cases roots, and oh yeah. Also know how to tank with your appropriate class kit.
Also depoison/dispel classes are highly useful.
shrewd ore
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Qw1cfJGVyCYMN3k/ have a feeling my tank isn't using all his tools. Can someone let me know if I am correct and which ones he needs to use / use more.
steel mauve
Well first he had literally the worst talent build ever
shrewd ore
please continue ready to take notes
steel mauve
He needs into the fray, unstoppable force, booming voice, and anger management
His demo shout uptime is less than 10%, it should be near 30% with the above talents, unless he has a deafening crash trait which he needs, then it should be above 60%
zinc creek
@shrewd ore he casted shield block JUST ONCE the whole fight. That alone, says something
steel mauve
Only cast shield block once and ignore pain twice?
zinc creek
^
sick sentinel
bad warrior player.
steel mauve
He still had melee damage taken, his mitigation for it was decent, but you still need to use ignore pain when doing the bitch job
The blood pools hurt a ton
raven kernel
That being said he could have blocked everything for the short time taloc was on him
And yeah just spam ip when soaking
steel mauve
And he only had 5 revenge procs but used revenge 65 times, which should have been ignore pains if hes soaking up blood pools baiting the cudgel
raven kernel
The revenge is ok, 5 revenge procs shows u how little he was tanking anything
steel mauve
Even if he was trying to maximize dps, his talents are garbage, we have literally only 1 build, and its both offensive and defensive
raven kernel
On heroic I just go dps
Waste of my time to be prot
Just let my brew do everything
steel mauve
Remember with booming voice, demo shout gets a damage buff on our enemies and the rage to spend, AM lets it come off cd quicker and with deafing crash trait and unstoppable force it basically exponentially increases its uptime
I do the bitch job on taloc for our raid, still go full dps mode on him
elfin apex
AM?
raven kernel
We just have any dps soak on heroic 😂
steel mauve
Anger management
raven kernel
Gives the healers something to do
shrewd ore
thanks I suspected there were problems you confirmed it for me. I took notes on all the information that you gave me it is appreciated.
wary crystal
Anyone know out of curiosity why prot is disabled in simcraft?
steel mauve
No ones working on it
steel mauve
You cant sim defensively any ways
raven kernel
Yeah
steel mauve
And no ones working on the code for offensively
Not exactly a high priority
And its not like our gearing is that difficult
raven kernel
Miniscule value to sim dps for tanks too since actually tanking takes away resources from dps so u will never do sim dps unless you never tank anything
And in such case u wouldn't be tank spec for the fight anyway
worthy idol
should there be a 1 million dmg taken difference between a warrior tank and a brew on g'huun heroic?
river agate
hey, was not tanking since ToS legion, got weapons for prot to try it yesterday, 363 ilvl (with shitty azerite traits for prot), i know my rotation is not perfect, but been so fragile in +6 dung is ok? i feel like if healer sneeze and stop heal ill die in 1-2 secs
upbeat folio
@river agate The affixes this week are on the rough side. Every "hard" pull feels very delicate right now.
winter skiff
sick sentinel
pet battles.
raven kernel
Warrior should be lower than the brew by far @worthy idol
river agate
if i had blockade trinket (runing with 2 dds) i feel some improvement?)
raven kernel
But also depends on who tanks dark young in p1
soft kindle
How valuable are sockets for prot?
amber siren
around 10 ilvl
soft kindle
Would it being on a weapon affect it noticeably
raven kernel
Looking thru my logs
That's an omegalul
Purely ghuun melees
Granted he was on my brew for 16 more swings
M Taloc melees
halcyon goblet
I hate azerite traits so much
"is this an upgrade? Maybe, what trait is best? Source X says Y but source B says C"
halcyon goblet
Remember when blizz removed most enchants/gems/reforging so that you could just equip an item and go?
I don't know what a trap site is
I tend to look at Icy and AMR
halcyon goblet
Icy doesn't list all the traits, so I have to assume that if it's not listed it's not good?
fk nixxic
er
typing
hard
final mist
Correct, if the trait isn't listed, don't bother.
halcyon goblet
so 30 ilvls, trading a second instance of deafening for Callous should be good according to icy
halcyon goblet
actually, it's also losing globules, because I don't have anything other than the first ring
(I still hate azerite)
halcyon goblet
yeah, but fk me are expiditions boring af
raven kernel
Yeah u gotta tho
raven kernel
=/
bitter sleet
Is Archive of the titans okay to using in Mythic +'s?
Or should i use Deafening crash?
lusty elbow
Always 1 and only 1 DC
bitter sleet
not good to stack Archive?
lusty elbow
you can stack other but you always want 1 DC for DS uptime
bitter sleet
Gotchu
junior ivy
im getting so into healing
sick sentinel
smh
digital arrow
smh
wide hound
Hey ,
this is my first approach of an AzeritePowerWeights for Prot:
( AzeritePowerWeights:1:"Protection Warrior":1:73: 100=2, 101=2, 118=15, 14=0.1, 15=1, 177=4, 18=4, 192=5, 20=7, 21=2, 22=1, 237=5, 30=2, 31=1, 43=4, 440=5, 441=7, 450=8, 459=2, 462=1, 476=1, 477=0.5, 480=5, 483=5, 83=1.5, 84=1, 85=1.5, 86=0.5, 87=0.1, 89=10, 98=4, 99=4 )
maybe we can improve this together 😃
zealous crest
guys, can we kill Lion's Roar again this week or no? sorry for off topic
sick sentinel
i didnt see it for EU alliance
storm isle
i dont think it resets every week it's just every rotation of warmode
fathom marten
Lol I just read a post mentioning sky hold discord saying we are a bunch of neck beards tthat cant recognize bad play style and only worry about min and maxing
tight tree
Ok i proud now. Minmaxing neckbeard represent
storm isle
the way i read it is we're to busy trying to figure out how to best play our class and not get free stuff handed to us like the other tank classes
tight tree
Too busy trying to play class at ist max instead of whining on reddit
(and gearning brewmaster alt juuust in case 😃 )
storm isle
personaly i might complain to my friends taht i suck or the class suck butthen i watched someone good play warrior in high m+ and do just fine and i realised it's just me hat's bad
storm isle
i've had one amazing group and it was heaven
outer dew
14k-16k hps as a healer in my +5 temple. Could never top anyone off
11k hps in +9 SoB everything was fine
tight tree
I killed +10 sisters in waycrest with healer outputting about 10 HPS, iant not afraid of anything now
storm isle
i think a lot of it's bad coordination is part of it. dont help when every single person kicks the same abbility
wow 10 hps dayum you must be a god
undone sun
@fathom marten link the post, or DM it to me
tight tree
Then again when i watch Sense running m+, i want to practice warrior even more.
outer dew
I mean, I feel like warrior has a decent amount of tools
storm isle
yeah i think it has something to do with that he actualy optomize the comp abit aswell
sick sentinel
Because it does.
outer dew
I just need to target weapon/shield/trinkets to bring my prot up to speed as my arms
Zzzz
storm isle
i feel kinda shafted by the GCD at times but that's only because i'm bad at decisoin making and thinking ahead
tight tree
WTB blocking more stuff, like arrows
manic perch
yes like trhose fuckers in tol dagor 😛
even those plebs that throw rocks i mean COME ON!!!!! fucking rocks
you mean to tell my the barn fucking door i carry cant block rocks?
tight tree
I got used to GCD, it has rhytm to it now, kinda like brewmaster when you just flow ability to ability, shit is, when IP get eaten by 1 auto, it does not feel like GCD used well
manic perch
gimme gayadin shield then
tight tree
We need a talent, sth like adamantite plating (can block spells) etc
and rocks ofc should be default
storm isle
or if they made the legion trait for spell reflect into a talent
manic perch
oooo yes that was awesome
sick sentinel
we need buff to IP to make spec survive better in m+ pulls and reflect should either reflect all spells and keep it for 5 secs or just 5 secs DR for magic damage
thats it tbh nothing more fancy needed for spec
tight tree
And something to reduce bleeds, like extreme bandaging, fit warrior classfantasy lul
outer dew
I mean, how are you guys dealing with the packs before the third boss?
sick sentinel
GCD changes would help but idc really
storm isle
yeah i hate bleeds like the tics in underrot
tight tree
I just want more interesting stuff 😉 A toys to play with, not just IP it all
sick sentinel
we got fear aoe stun and ST stun enough toys to play with
outer dew
I think that shit was rotting me 50-60k a tick
sick sentinel
and more then enough utility
mint forum
I want hook pull like butcher in Dota :D
storm isle
prot dont have storm bolt though
sick sentinel
talent
tight tree
Hook pull would be nice
storm isle
but the fear is kinda weird it almost allways insta breaks
tight tree
Yeah fear is just aoe interrupt
floral tinsel
I wish we would have storm bolt without haveing to talent for it as it really hurts to choose between it and reduced Shockwave CD
storm isle
it feels kinda bad to spend a 1.5 min cd to aoe interupt when it should cc the mfor 8 sec atleast
tight tree
They nerfed stuns overall ;/
storm isle
with GCD shockwave is just 1 sec
tight tree
Yeah it is aoe interrupt as well
storm isle
it's also just a interupt at this point
have anyone done the math on how much haste you would need for devistator to be worth taking?
mint forum
Devastator worth to me with 2x brace for impact and for raid boss only for m+ booming voice works better ( its rather aoe)
junior igloo
Why should Devastator benefit from haste more than BV? @storm isle
mint forum
Having 3-4 stacks constantly buffs blocking a bit at least but it sux anyway
U normaly dont use devastate much but devastator makes it aa it has 20% chance to charge shield bash which grands u stack of brace for impact which is in combination with defaening crush only combination that does not sux badly
More haste means better chance to reset and stack buff that improves blocking
sudden tapir
In underrot at +6, I pretty much get wrecked on the pack just before the first boss. Ultimately we decided to invis pot through it on to the boss. But.. Is there genuinely a way to do it without flat out dying
My approach is CC on the blood priest, and ava, demo thunder on to the rest and kite a little to avoid too much damage initially, but it all catches up eventually
compact mirage
Biggest issue for warrior in m+ right now is that if we get chunked (which we will) we rely on other player sources to get back up. Teeming being really hard in some instances right now is no issue of the prot warrior per se. Mostly it is a lack of group composition. Well...prot not having any form of long duration CC like paralysis might be just another stone in the way.
Btw this page is pretty huge to show which dungeon is really hard in the current week: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/eu/current
sudden tapir
I hear you loud and clear on that... Group composition is the name of the game for really high keys, though i view this one discord like a hivemind of the best min-maxing neckbeards the internet has to offer, who have done it 100's of times (making a joke there ;D)
So thought I would ask. I was stumped though.. that's for sure. Not even a block + shield wall could stop be dying incredibly fast haha
I'll change my approach on higher keys this week for that dungeon
compact mirage
Getting https://questionablyepic.com/mythicplus-addon/ is a big help too.
Like the first platform to first boss has an ability on the units that prevent them from dying which can be dispelled. It is super important to take care off. That eye thing has to die in seconds.
sudden tapir
Might explain the 120k (50k overkill) .. haha
incoming damage that is
That QE addon is sweet! I'll grab that now
compact mirage
Most of the time it has to do with mechanics. That being said...fuck teeming on KR right now. What kind of sadistic monster did the mob placement?!
tight tree
And i have +9 KR key. Going to be fun, lol
Well if everything else fails, we have old Soviet tactic: throw bodies on it until it dies.
manic perch
i insta deleted my KR key i got this week rather go sit and watcha bad play at the theatre
compact mirage
And every defensive CD you get
hearty portal
And pop all cooldowns, since you dont need it for the boss anyway
hearty portal
Think he just switches target
compact mirage
Here is a prot warrior group doing a +12 KR in just over 2hours 9minutes. Yikes.
sick sentinel
and you can skip it with a rogue
hearty portal
And kills the closest one
sick sentinel
if they havent fixed it
hearty portal
Skipping him is op
fringe marten
How is it I see some folks starting Siege of Boralus from under the bridge?
compact mirage
what do you mean?
fringe marten
I see people start at the plank walkway under the normal entry area
outer dew
You jump
compact mirage
There is a warrior that managed to do KR+10 with +1key up. But he and his team are around ilvl 375.
outer dew
Heroic leap, water walking, warlock portal
fringe marten
to where/what?
compact mirage
So it is possible if I somehow manage to get +20 ilvl.
outer dew
It's just another pathing
Skips a lot of the gay trash
No fire slingers to get to the area past the flight path
So basically takes you to the first houndmaster you see
You can also just kill the trash by walking under you
compact mirage
video?
outer dew
But you don't need the %
I found out by word of mouth and doing it
Don't know any videos for it
south steppe
make one 😃
compact mirage
does alliance have a different start as horde?
outer dew
Does horde start by the bank?
compact mirage
not that I can think of.
fringe marten
But you need both water walking, and warlock portal..?
outer dew
I mean if you have mobility you can make it
You can heroic leap it
If you're fast enough with water walking you can cross
It's one or the other
Warlock portal is for the one guy who keeps getting stuck under the wood pathing
fierce halo
@sudden tapir about that underrot trash, did you make sure that you took the path with the easier pack? It's random and one has 2 matrons(even without teeming)
fallow tusk
btw how do the ticks even work?
tight tree
just skip them to the 1st boss. Rogue or invis, unsure if it can be dath runned
fallow tusk
they put a nasty dot and explode to whole group on kill? so if you couldnt skip them whats the way to kill them?
tight tree
I pesonally hate doing m+ without rogues at all 😉
outer dew
Have a kick rotation
The big guy has a kick able skill which one shots
Burn priest asap
tight tree
Rogue is single most valuable best melee right now. Nerfs incoming? 😉
outer dew
I mean, I see why not
If you keep shamans weak because utility tax
Why not Nerf rogue for utilities
compact mirage
Btw this dude has some amazing pathing guides. https://www.wowhead.com/user=Voulk#guides
sudden tapir
@fierce halo Hey! Usually do, this week there are two blood matrons on either side 😃
or I wasn't very observant..
junior igloo
yep
sudden tapir
Solid.
outer dew
I mean
I think sub thrives more than arms in that fight
Shuricken storm to get the fat cp
And evis Zul
To push him hard
compact mirage
If the guide holds up for teeming you can skip the first section with invis. It is deadly.
sudden tapir
Yea, we did just skip them after a few deaths. No rogue, so took pots. :3
junior igloo
Yeah, that's just boss damage, 70+ % of that is Evis, 25k single target dps
fierce halo
@Robstar ah okay, haven't done it this week yet. Being forced to play such a pack is indeed brutal.
sudden tapir
I think KR can be brutal if you don't understand it, like most dungeons and their mechanics!
I actually really enjoy watching @shut summit twitch, if you go to this video (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/307743503) and skip to 2hr 30m in, you can see from his perspective running KR on prot warrior at high key. I actually learned a lot just watching. ❤
sacred roost
Just hit level 71 on warrior (again) haven't rreally played one since Wrath.
So leveling a highmountain tauren and trying to keep as close to 100% uptime on IP and SB, prioritizing IP, and stacking then when i can. Still seem to be struggling with dungeon trash packs.
Like, I just did Halls of Lightning and the first boss was brutal for whatever reason, and I don't understand why.
old zephyr
hi, Anyone here as an idea why rogues play Assasination in M+ when SUB and outlaw are so strng in AoE situations?
sacred roost
I think Outlaw is just Best overall right now or it might be Best AoE and Sub's best single.
but that's more of a question for the Ravenholdt discord, probably.
outer dew
@old zephyr because assassination damage is high
manic perch
yeah we had pug rogue the other night plays outlaw on trash and high adds fights and assasin on st
undone sun
definitely an odd question to ask warriors, let alone protection warriors ¯_(ツ)_/¯
outer dew
Their damage was so strong they nerfed the trait by 30% if I remember
old zephyr
Thought Maybe some of you played with regular rouges and knew à bit about them =)
sacred roost
Anyhow, am I don't the rotation right, should I be trying to keep IP up 100% with spare rage going to SB when I can, or should I prio SB?
old zephyr
SB is prio
sudden tapir
Prioritise Shield Block for incoming physical damage
sacred roost
I feel insanely squishy against packs of adds.
old zephyr
Ip when you ar going to cap or take extra powerful blows
sudden tapir
Use your Ignore Pain to help smooth out incoming damage when you have spare rage.. or when you don't need to worry about applying damage down. Want to survive? Throw in an ignore pain..
sacred roost
I just got demo shout, but I don't have the azerite trrait (that should be standard) to keep it up 100%
so that sucks
old zephyr
Bolster and Shield wall are amazing
sacred roost
long cd's though, I mean, 4 mins and 2 mins, that's like 4 and 2 pulls, respectivily.
and a mediocre pace.
strong forum
@sudden tapir thats only a +6,not much to worry about there
old zephyr
Nah with anger management It's much less
If It's available and you take Damage use it
sudden tapir
@strong forum You're not wrong! 😃 Infest certainly makes things interesting at higher levels
strong forum
And in general, dungeons start to get tricky at 10, before that it's quite chill actually
Ofc depending on individual skill levels
old zephyr
I have a kr 9 that scare me a little bit
strong forum
From what I've seen kr is hardly affected by teeming, should be fine
sacred roost
I don't have that yet, later 😃
strong forum
The only parts that are scary is the room after 1st boss, the berserker pack in front of 3rd boss and zul
sacred roost
don't you haveta kite the beserkerrs?
because the bleed they apply will kill you at like, 2 stacks.
undone sun
they are stunnable and CC able
strong forum
But utility makes up for it
strong forum
Mobility we are almost same, and we have more damage
It's simply their grip, silence and fear on short CD that's amazing
Combined with self-healing ofc
sacred roost
I think VDH has better mobility then us, since they can target anything to move, where we have to have a person or mob.
and I think they can go alot further with less of a cd.
and it does damage if they spec into it.
strong forum
If you don't spec into flame crash you're simply playing wrong :D
sacred roost
I know.
I'm just saying, as far as VDH go
Blood dk's have like, 0 mobility, they just don't die.
strong forum
Yea but in terms of high keys that's, if only veery slightly, better
old zephyr
YouTube don't need à lot of mobility, just to run slightly faster than mobs internationale order to kite
sacred roost
That's probably true, but what really hurts is most grroups will take a VDH or BDK over a tank at the same ilvls.
for whatever reason
strong forum
Pugs*
old zephyr
Yes Because grip
sacred roost
I don't have alot of choice in the matter 😃
strong forum
I tried pugging some 10s yesterday, god damn people are awful. Never trying that again
outer dew
I mean
It's pugs for a reasonable
You weren't good enough to get added on that friend list for other runs qq
strong forum
Was the 1st time pugging this expac and not many people were online in guild so I gave it a go
strong forum
Depends on your options, but shouldn't be focus
sick sentinel
can go double Brace for Impact
sacred roost
so rumbling earth, booming voice, and angerr management for last 3 talents?
sick sentinel
or DC, BfI and CR
sick sentinel
yeah i dont think I need more dmg ;d
strong forum
Well my goal is having consistent 10k overall dps in dungeons this weekend
So I'm dropping blockades for 370 syringe from vectis
To see how much dps I can get
Cuz dying isn't an issue, dps is what is needed this week
That's why most are struggling I guess, shit dps
old zephyr
@sacred roost Yes, although rubling earth might by swaped for another one of the row depending on you team/preferences
tight tree
One simple thing that most people do not understand, is that YOU CANNOT PLAY SINGLE CLASS WITHOUT READING GUIDE FIRST. That is where most fuckups happen: someone assume out of the blue that IP is prio, or that ravager is best talent. All information is very accesible.
sick sentinel
Ravager lol
tight tree
One just cannot play well after looking in spellbook. Game does zero work educating about how classes work
sick sentinel
i agree
outer dew
Sure it does
Gotta run your head into the wall another
Abit*
A guide is from someone else running into the wall
sick sentinel
I swapped a 340 brace for a 355 iron fortress and I feel much more vulnerable in single target hard kitting bosses
But its good in aoe so this week I am fine
junior igloo
The difference between 1 item with better trait vs. 1 item with slightly higher item level is so small that any feeling of vulnerability is 100 % placebo
sacred roost
think it depends on the trait.
vocal nimbus
Unless its DC its 100% placebo
tight tree
well double callous on big pack you going to feel
cosmic magnet
Hello everyone, wich stats did I need to prioritise on my characters? I'm pretty sure I need 10% Haste ( but I'm gonna enchant my rings and it's will be ok ) and after 30% mastery, 20%crit https://worldofwarcraft.com/fr-fr/character/hyjal/Lurania
undone sun
There aren't any breakpoints you should be worrying about, just prioritizing as the stat priority shows and you'll be perfectly fine
knotty apex
haste is pretty much your go to stat but yeah there are no breakpoints it just helps to reset shield bash and devistate so you can have more rage + more damage in avatar with TC
cosmic magnet
Okay, so I need to continue with Haste> Versa> Mastery > Crit ?
undone sun
mastery and verse are closer to being equal but depend more on the damage intake and that's of course after ilevel >haste>
cosmic magnet
Okay so ILvL > Haste > Mastery = Versa > Crit Thanks a lot
onyx vessel
hearty portal
Like how much itemlevel difference is that based on? Cant be that a itemlevel 370 is better then 365 if it has the worst stats vs the best?
hearty portal
Bah need that haste to not want to kill myself while playing
strong forum
Yea I had a drastic shift in stat distribution, I went from 1.3k haste 300 crit 400 master and 700 versa to 1k haste 1k mastery 450 crit and 450 versa. Looks iffy to lose so much haste
hearty portal
Yes?
strong forum
But still above 30% haste with 5 itf so it's fine
And rezans and quick navigation make it ever so fluent
hearty portal
Yeah I mean the more haste you have, the less painful prot warrior becomes to play
strong forum
At 50%haste it gets really fun
sick sentinel
With ITF I am pretty happy with haste tbh
ember arrow
Feelycrafting
hearty portal
Yeah the specialization is so badly designed so I just cant drop haste pieces
strong forum
You can, just don't drop every piece
For example don't use rings that don't have haste unless it's literally 50ilvl upgrade
ember arrow
You liteeally weaken yourself
strong forum
I wouldn't use crit versa 370 over 340 haste mastery for example
ember arrow
@strong forum so u weaken yourself
strong forum
No
ember arrow
Yes
strong forum
In what world is the 40 stam better than having haste
strong forum
I mean I have 2 370s with 260+ haste idc but imo it's not worth using a non haste ring
sick sentinel
Versa means less magic damage and bigger IP and crit means more parries
I love parrying shit
I love not dying
strong forum
"imo"
strong forum
That's toxic
ember arrow
🤔
junior igloo
@hearty portal
If you enjoy playing with more haste, we won't stop you, but I'm not sure what sort of answer do you expect from us on something so subjective
strong forum
I'm not saying it's better statistically speaking ma dude
ember arrow
You do. You say its not worth
Implying its worse
if it's higher ilvl on offset pieces, equip it
if it's more than 5 but dropping socket, equip it
if it's more than 5 on rings for haste/mastery, equip it
if it's more than 10 and dropping socket on rings, equip it
strong forum
Socket alone is literally worth 15ilvl
strong forum
Rings trinket and weapon
ember arrow
Aa it says
Trinket isnt bound by ilvl rules
Higher ilvl weap is always good
More dps
hearty portal
The best thing about this discussion is that regardless of our gear we still cant tank the mythic raid properly
strong forum
Says who
ember arrow
Who cant?
strong forum
If Dh can tank mythic... Everybody can
hearty portal
Well tank fettid and you'll find out why
hearty portal
Go tank him on mythic and tell me warriors are working
strong forum
What's yo ilvl
ember arrow
Are u progging fetid?
ember arrow
If its that bad you should have multiple tanks to capitalize in theur strengts
strong forum
Mother and taloc are free, yes
ember arrow
As a m raider should
hearty portal
Thats bullshit
ember arrow
Nope
hearty portal
Yes it is
onyx vessel
or just play monk
hearty portal
Only world first people play optimal setups
onyx vessel
simple
hearty portal
Casuals doesnt
ember arrow
Limiting yourself to one is just making it harder on yourself
Youre per definition not casual when doin m raids
onyx vessel
levko let me guess you got all tanks 360plus
hearty portal
So i have to play another class to tank raids
slow gull
Warrior doesent have a strength if you was a m raider in your opinion you wouldn't even be here
ember arrow
I didnt say that
hearty portal
That was kinda my point tho
ember arrow
Nice strawman though
onyx vessel
warrior is fine for mythic raiding
ember arrow
Warr's strength is best physical metigation
slow gull
Zen med
hearty portal
Fettid is a wall for tanks. Especially druids and warriors. Which makes them none viable
onyx vessel
reeeeeeeeeeeeee
tight tree
Ironically Fetid is physical mitigation fight and warriors flop there.
hearty portal
Yeah
slow gull
Your logic is so flawed
ember arrow
O do elaborate
strong forum
Yeah just stacking HP on prot isn't gonna help like on bdk
Bdk profits much more from bigger hp pool
ember arrow
How so?
strong forum
As long as BDK survives the attack you can heal it back, so stacking HP has more worth than midigation on warri
tight tree
I would expect that warrior would be BEST at fight like fetid.
hearty portal
I dont care if the warrior is best. I want them to work
ember arrow
Unless u play wit absolute wheelchairs
onyx vessel
they do