You can sim to find your TMI, EHRPS, max spike, etc, but it only applies to the exact fight that you have written the sim for, and none of those numbers is holistically valuable. It gives you data, but not information
#protection
grim prism
prisma crane
it's a priority, no weights
knotty ermine
So a few extra globals is what is causing the issues with prot? Because the argument I'm making is that IP coming off the GCD isn't going to fix the problem, and people keep countering with "but it will free up globals"
prisma crane
i feel like you didnt actually read what i said
knotty ermine
When in reality, it would only free up a small handful over the course of an encounter, which, like I said, isn't going to fix the problem.
knotty ermine
That's why I'm asking you to ellaborate 😛 I very well may not be understanding you
primal crypt
🤔
prisma crane
off GCD IP would leave potential for more rage gain (marginal imo) and slightly buff AM in some scenarios since it'd be a lot easier to rage dump, but it still wont fix how useless it is
sick sentinel
Wait. We talk about sims every day? 
knotty ermine
Oh hey, missed that last part. Yey mobile 😉 so we agree then, /rejoice
elfin apex
what the fuck are we supposed to do to work out what's best for us?
prisma crane
simply replacing every cast of IP with devastate and you'll end up with more SS procs throughout the course of the fight which means more rage and more AM and more CDs, etc
nothing major, but it would make a difference
but 1000:1 people will then be blowing too much rage on IP and not have SB when they need it, calling it now
but i'd welcome that "choice" over what we have now i suppose
still, IP wouldnt feel great to hit
would just be an AM fuel
grim prism
@elfin apex welp, armor is our most important stat by far for damage reduction because IP scales like shit, so it's ilvl > all on armor pieces assuming youre keeping one Deafening Crash trait (which should be obvious why it is so powerful; it's way overtuned)
prisma crane
i mean, we're exaggerating a bit with IP, it's not completely wasted, it just doesnt feel good enough for the rage we spend on it
grim prism
And the other traits that increase block are preferred because block is our most scalable defensive stat
prisma crane
i wouldn't say it's overtuned, personally
should be baseline
spell interaction is what makes classes fun to play
prisma crane
by that logic, everything is supposed to lack impact enough where ilvl wins no matter what?
elfin apex
@grim prism ty
prisma crane
it's only worth that much because the alternatives arent up to par
prisma crane
it's very strong, don't get me wrong, but having choices is better than making one item mandatory
grim prism
Welp, DC is mandatory so I dont understand your point
prisma crane
particularly since it's currently not "farmable"
mandatory =/= overtuned
that's my point
grim prism
Mabdatory and worth 30+ ilvl = overtuned
prisma crane
agree to disagree then
grim prism
Sure I can do that
chilly brook
@elfin apex there’s no much to work out ilvl>all haste is actually better per point than strength but you’ll always take ilvl even if you lose haste. The only two exceptions being rings and whatever piece has DC on it. Basically never replace DC unless you have another piece with DC and for rings maximum sandbag would be 10ilvls if you have perfect stats on them
knotty ermine
I'm not saying all mandatory traits are overtuned, but you ever notice that overtuned traits are always mandatory?
(both of those statements are capable of being true btw)
wild atlas
Guys I’m back. Is all the toxicity still here?
chilly brook
Overtuned? Or the rest simply are just boring and don’t interact with anything and as a result undertuned?
grim prism
Anyway @elfin apex just to be clear, we frankly dont have a good answer for valuation on secondary stats, we just know that haste is our most valuable secondary due to napkin-mathing the benefits that it provides. All secondaries are closer in relatively value than last expac so we don't know precisely when one outweighs the other, but we do know haste is best due to cooldown reduction and rage gen
@chilly brook both?
chilly brook
grim prism
@knotty ermine its mandatory because it's overtuned /shrug
soft bridge
Did anyone read in the AMA where he spoke about traits? Removing some, adding new ones, bufing underused ones
chilly brook
Yes
grim prism
No trait should be worth keeping a 30 ilvl upgrade in the bags
chilly brook
And I doubt they’ll touch DC
soft bridge
Really hope it works in prot's favor
prisma crane
@grim prism i agree, but it's more that other traits aren't good enough, not that DC is too good
brave jetty
DC is too good.
It's ALSO the case that the other traits aren't good enough, though.
chilly brook
If they put T21 4 piece on azerite that would be mandatory as well
grim prism
@soft bridge it was the usual bullshit Ion non-response. The only "outlier" prot has is DC, which could only possibly be tuned downward, but prot is so underrepresented right now that I would be INCREDIBLY surprised if they do anything to the detriment of this spec
chilly brook
DC is actually like a tier bonus
prisma crane
rather have 2p
chilly brook
The rest are just meh
grim prism
Anything is possible though
soft bridge
Agreed
brave jetty
But DC is a clear outlier in terms of massive impact to our class, it's just that balancing it by the same standard they are talking about applying to everyone would fuck one of the weaker tank specs into the ground even further.
knotty ermine
Honestly I don't mind DC being basically mandatory atm in one of the slots, but I also have a piece with it for each slot to swap around, so the issue doesn't affect me. I'm basically one of those fury warriors in Legion that said "What, you don't have the angry hat/Convergence/Draught? Well just get it and you'll be fine"
soft bridge
lol
brave jetty
I don't agree that it's like a tier bonus, either, I think that's underselling it. If that were a tier bonus, it would be a 4pc one and would be considered an extremely strong one.
grim prism
They did a shit job with balancing azerite, across the board. Thunderous Blast is BiS or near-BiS for literally every DPS spec in the game, only with the exception of hilariously broken shit like Lord of War (rip) or that one that turns Boomies into sunfire spamfactories. Now all that is invalidated and its lazer matrix for everyone! Gg bliz
prisma crane
still not as good as T21 2p was
knotty ermine
Nah their "first tier bonuses suck so we we kind of aimed low with early expac azerite traits" was 100% a copout
brave jetty
Well there are always a few outliers in the tier sets across the board but DC is definitely way stronger than most set bonuses we would normally be happy with.
prisma crane
imagine if we had a buff to SS like we do TC during Avatar, oof, ST wet dream
cinder nova
But on M mother my bear cotank can't hold aggro. I used 3 ss, 4 tc, and 2 rev when autos over ~ 20 to 30 seconds
And still ripped
Is this expected or an operator error
grim prism
Arent bears supposed to do more ST than us?
😬
Also, he has a threat meter, tell him l2taunt
knotty ermine
Difference is that DC is stronk, but isn't breaking us to be ridiculously stronk as well. Like... if Warriors had the m+ representation #s instead of DKs right now in m+, I would bet my next paycheck as well as yours that DC would be getting a visit from Ion very quickly.
grim prism
That sounds like your cotank might be kinda shit m8
prisma crane
you the first tank that crosses?
cinder nova
Yes
cinder nova
They want me to be there for booty clap cleave
knotty ermine
But DC is doing great things to make up for shortcomings of the spec, so it would be in Blizzard's best interests to leave DC as-is until they figure out a path forward
prisma crane
yea so just start with her
cinder nova
But I'll offer that solution
prisma crane
once you cross he'll have so much time to pull ahead it shouldnt be an issue the rest of the fight
leaden carbon
Do u guys have problems getting invited into pugs? :C
prisma crane
even if it is though, just have him taunt on CD for the threat boost if it's still an issue
cinder nova
For H fresh runs
cinder nova
"hurr hurr warrior bad"
prisma crane
but in reality it's the hurr hurr i want an easier time and other tanks just better
knotty ermine
@leaden carbon search "discord" and scroll up to where I was posting earlier about the Mythic + discord. Had decent success using that instead of trying my luck at LFG.
Seeing a prot warrior app right now is similar to seeing a ragnaros app to your group, unfortunately. Are there really good Rag players? Sure. But overwhelmingly right now there exists a strong chance that the player sucks, and therefor the tank will suck, and the run will suck.
leaden carbon
ty
sick sentinel
Lol ragnaros
grim prism
BR
prisma crane
for EU, what's a universally "bad" server
knotty ermine
Tarren Mill obv
grim prism
Not gonna lie, the smoothest pug group I ever ran was an Azralon premade
prisma crane
for NA, nemesis is actually worse than Ragnaros, and Q'T has been a lot better lately, and they're good pvpers
plain vapor
mother was being fucky with threat last night for me as well
vocal nimbus
I find french people hard to communicate with 🤷
grim prism
They were angrytyping at each other in spanish the entire time and one guy would occasionally type something like "tank pull to here plis ok?"
plain vapor
mother would start attacking my cotank when he didnt even do anything
vale basalt
I actually came from rag but moved realms just because i was getting denied a lot and got tired of the rag toxicity
wild sandal
can i a prot solo the orb for ghun hc?
plain vapor
yes
knotty ermine
Smoothest Siege I have run to date was an 8 with a Ragnaros tank, and an aussie priest healer
grim prism
Shit you not, smoothest pug of my life
knotty ermine
That constant 300ms lag was fun tho let me tell ya
prisma crane
aussies are usually great
plain vapor
their even better when you get on comms with them
joined a pug raid from frostmourne. funniest raid of my life
prisma crane
and yea, i think a lot of ppl on BR realms get a lot of hate for no reason, but, that said, it's less surprising if they end up bad
grim prism
Aussies are god's gift ro the internet
knotty ermine
Oh yeah, its the lag that you sometimes get in their group that sucks. Dude's on my bnet now and a go-to healbot for me late at night lol
grim prism
200 ping and 98 parse
prisma crane
i like the Kiwis even more lol
grim prism
God bless Oceania
knotty ermine
Like the... second boss? idk, the one with the ship
prisma crane
never see the word cunt more often in my life, it's like a complement there
knotty ermine
Getting targeted with her barrage and having that baked in lag the whole run
s t r e s s
leaden carbon
@knotty ermine I am from ragarons...
grim prism
ragarons
knotty ermine
Nice, do you suck, or do you wish fewer people on your server sucked so that it would stop being given a bad name
neon tangle
so
grim prism
Deathwish has done more for the prot community than 99% of the shitters in this channel
neon tangle
340 shield w/ a socket
prisma crane
honestly, a lot of it is that people just dont know how to effectively work with people when there's a language barrier
knotty ermine
Well there ya go
leaden carbon
Normaly I am a more than decent tank, right now I just suck and I am also a ragnaros player....
grim prism
Namely making a spell reflection spreadsheet and an addon that sprays confetti when you shield slam for over 1M damage
knotty ermine
Mmmmm idk man, there have been a MOUNTAIN of bad runs that I have had from rag that have nothing to do with language barriers
grim prism
Both of which are critically important tools
knotty ermine
such fun things as "the cafe player that goes afk randomly and for varying lengths of time"
leaden carbon
yeah, there are a lot of bad player around here
knotty ermine
which seems crazy popular btw
leaden carbon
but there are good players too
prisma crane
i did a 6 atal'dazar last wk with all BR players, was the best group i've had in ages
everyone CCing, interrupting, doing mechanics, no communication required
grim prism
@prisma crane that might have been the same group I had lmao
prisma crane
was my best pug run to date in BFA
grim prism
Were they typing at each other at all?
prisma crane
here and there, but sometimes in english
knotty ermine
Yeah for sure. That was my point though. Unfortunately a stigma exists (largely founded in direct experiences) where players from Rag have lead to a bad time for the group, for one reason or another. Same can be said for protW right now.
grim prism
"Tank pls wait i am explain m+ mecanic"
prisma crane
there were all in different guilds and servers
grim prism
"Ok"
They were all same realm for me lol
Azralonian premade
Guy was typing at me in broken english and i was responding as simply as possible
Fucking smashed the timer
It was amazing
neon tangle
would you take a +5ilvl shield, or one w/ a socket?
grim prism
+5 ilvl
leaden carbon
At least now I understand why I am not getting invited into anything lol
prot from ragnaros
nice resume
knotty ermine
People just aren't willing in many cases to roll the dice on their key being popped because they got a bad warrior, of which there currently appear to be more bad than good.
grim prism
Block is so ridiculously important its not even funny
knotty ermine
ilevel on shield, for sure
grim prism
@leaden carbon double whammy 
digital arrow
im surprised nobody asked about the state of prot warriors in the ama, unless i missed it
sham was asked about though
digital arrow
ohh
knotty ermine
You hordeside or alliance @leaden carbon
leaden carbon
ally
knotty ermine
Ugh.
neon tangle
tbh every time I get a pug people are surprised that 1. I'm not dying
and 2. I'm beating them on dps
knotty ermine
I was gonna say to hmu and I'm fine swapping to dps (our group pretty much always has one opening) so you can tank some m+ buuuuuuuuut how bout Lok'Tar and gfy kkthx
dusk locust
it can be hit or miss for me. in a good pug i feel pretty hardy, in a bad one i feel like i'm constantly dying
knotty ermine
😛
dusk locust
what race
cinder bridge
mfw a guildie gets 370 haste/mastery shield from warfront quest -_-
prisma crane
alliance prot here as well, there are literally dozens of us
knotty ermine
but it would just make you that much more punchable
dusk locust
can confirm am one of the dozen
leaden carbon
NE
knotty ermine
Lol everyone laugh at the homeless refugee
At least you have ashes to dry your tears
Jokes aside sucks about your situation bud, really got the triple whammy there haha
leaden carbon
at least they don't have way to know I am a clicker!
(my current keyboard does not have function keys)
knotty ermine
Hahaha
I always found it interesting when some guilds require a pic of your UI before they would review your app. Like, on some level I get it, but at the same time logs are gonna tell you a hell of a lot more about the player than a cursory glance at their UI and whether they have "good" bindings
leaden carbon
hahah lol
knotty ermine
Yeah but it really ramps up that sense of accomplishment when you hit 25
I don't think you're properly appreciating the design here
grim prism
Who tf asks for a UI screenshot lol
"Applications" for guilds are so stupid
I saw one on the realm I xferred a toon to
It was a google doc with like 28 questions on it
digital arrow
lol applications
grim prism
One of them was "what is your favorite meme?"
grim prism
I left every question blank except that one. I put the link to the application as an answer
grim prism
Yeah they never got back to me
Weird
As my former GM put it, what could you possibly hope to learn in an application that you wouldn't learn in an hour of trialing?
Maybe they just do it to weed out the illiterate or something
knotty ermine
The last guild I applied to was in BC, and the application went "Raid leader for my current guild, the people I like have left due to real life circumstances, and the people that remain are mostly cancerous human beings. Ran with you guys to help gear up a shaman transfer for you guys in exchange for clearing my guild's raid lockout, and was told to apply here."
grim prism
I lost the link @leaden carbon
"This is my toon name, check my logs and let me know when I can trial"
Application completed
knotty ermine
Exactly lol
BC was a fun time to be evaluating apps
Tank app that you want to trial? Take em to Gruuls (when it was relevant) and see if they can handle the Maulgar pull. Pass/Fail
Had one guy back then tell me he didn't use (shield block, I think?) because he would generate more rage without it
Like, adamantly refused to use the ability
signal plover
That was a fun way to get one shot by gruul
leaden carbon
My offtank in legion was like that, but he didn't had any clear reason to do so
grim prism
If someone is a toxic player or a shit communicator, you probably arent gonna learn that in a paper app. I just dont get it
All an app does is establish they passed 6th grade reading comprehension
Well...
undone sun
nah, the application is a screening process for competence, the process to determine if they're toxic or not is the interview after said application
grim prism
My last app clearly established I am toxic
young harbor
lol
knotty ermine
Had a hunter apply to the guild in BC as well that put on his app he played with a trackpad on a laptop. Didn't realize he was serious until ICC.
grim prism
"He said he was an orange parser but it turns out he was just colorblind"
knotty ermine
lolololol
Had a shaman that we carried through SWP (or did he carry us?) that literally did nothing except cast chain heal on himself, always
knotty ermine
No no
uneven mason
stack MP5 - spam 1 rank down Chainheal
uneven mason
on yourself (Because shaman have low hP)
mild olive
hey guys im new in this spec, and i'd like to know the stats weight, do you have any idea? i need it for pawn addon, ty guys
uneven mason
well
knotty ermine
He sat upon a throne of lies
uneven mason
having done resto shaman in TBC
I could see where the hubris might come from
but nothing outhealed the hotstreaks
knotty ermine
Weights are largely irrelevant @mild olive , outside of maintaining 1 DC trait on your gear, you will almost always take an ilevel upgrade
uneven mason
@mild olive Don't use pawn, or weights ever
as warrior
You either Sim yourself for DPS gear (just DPS)
or you take the item levle upgrade
with very very little exception
uneven mason
you can SIM for DPS
plain vapor
you can forgo the DC trait if the piece you are replacing is like 15-20 ilvl higher
grim prism
I mean...
uneven mason
Krook
plain vapor
cus i had no other piece wit hthe trait
neon tangle
welp I figured out how to fund my flasks and stuff for a while
uneven mason
put the 340 back on
grim prism
Or at least, you wont get get a real number
uneven mason
because DC is after doing some actual shield math
neon tangle
apparently I had an un-soulbound blackrock bulwark in my bags since WoD
grim prism
@plain vapor DC or riot dude
neon tangle
and its selling for 600+k on my server
uneven mason
worth like, 50,00000000 item levels in situations where block is not usable
knotty ermine
Grats on the gold stash
plain vapor
i cant tell if you guys are memeing or not
knotty ermine
No we really aren't
grim prism
I am 100% serious
uneven mason
@neon tangle my rogue that I rolled in vanilla, had one item in his bank
grim prism
DC is worth at LEAST 30 ilvl
uneven mason
the Thug shirt
knotty ermine
Search "DC" and scroll up through today
uneven mason
ez 900k
low stratus
Hi what's a DC.
uneven mason
Deafening Crash
plain vapor
it was the mother helm that i put on for what its worth
grim prism
^
mild olive
mm okay i ll follow the icy veins stat priority then , ty mates!
uneven mason
its a trait that causes Thunderclap to extend the duration of Demoralizing shout
low stratus
Oh is that the demoralizing shout + clap one?
grim prism
@plain vapor doesnt matter if it replaced DC
low stratus
Yeah shit is cash.
grim prism
@low stratus thats the one
low stratus
I didn't realize it was so highly prio'd
knotty ermine
yep.
low stratus
tmyk
uneven mason
So Krook - for Myth, Zek, Taloc and Ghuun the Mother helm MIGHT win out over the DC trait
knotty ermine
Inb4 @chilly brook links a screenshot with 80% uptime
uneven mason
but for Zul and Vect
DC tops the item level
because block does like, nothing vs the DoTs
obviously Fetid you want the block 😛
knotty ermine
Shame tanks don't have lifegrip of some sort
Would never get tired of killing my friends on fetid
marble pelican
Howdy Prot boys....whats the Emissary Quest for horde for today?
knotty ermine
2h mace
high roll crit, lowroll haste
340
For... honorbound?
Can't recall. Think its honorbound.
exotic spoke
@knotty ermine Swapblaster. But that's only if you're not in combat unfortunately.
uneven mason
@knotty ermine When 2 prot warriors intercept eachother
knotty ermine
fracture the space/time continuum?
exotic spoke
Did our alt run in normal yesterday. I helped out for a bit to see some of the recruits initial numbers.
I was bored.. I swap blasted people off the Zul's platform while we were clearing trash
uneven mason
you swap places
exotic spoke
They were not amused. But I was.
simple kiln
Time for Prot Warrior Trinket game! 370 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/160655 VS 385 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/160653
knotty ermine
Not that I miss playing my pally, but I do miss DI shenanigans
uneven mason
post snips man, bnet links are cancerous
exotic spoke
Truth
simple kiln
I mostly just wanted item name, but yeah
marble pelican
Pally Prot fun?
exotic spoke
Almost as cancerous as the public opinion about Prot warriors
plain vapor
syringe
uneven mason
I mean, Grimmy uh, Syringe is better more than likely
Eyeball is pretty shit even post buff
"Oh boy a 2min CD on 1.5x IPs"
plain vapor
veiled eye is ass
marble pelican
I guess as this is my first tank that I've ever ran if you could be a tank of any other class what would it be or would you stick to prot?
uneven mason
uh
simple kiln
Word, even at 77k bubble? The Syringe does have decent uptime
marble pelican
lol
simple kiln
Yeah and it does proc at kind of a high % hp
uneven mason
but we pick prot
knotty ermine
@marble pelican I always come back to prot.
marble pelican
well I picked it cause my main was a fury warrior so instead of leveling or paying to boost a character I just switched over lol
uneven mason
overall the crit from the synringe will logically reduce the damage you take more than the bubble
plain vapor
hope the m+ chest blesses me with a DC azerite piece
exotic spoke
Never Stop Never Stopping playing Warrior. Started this char day 1. Will be the only one I ever raid with.
exotic spoke
I have dark moon deck and the lion's roar trinket or whatever. Can't get other things to drop. Just using highest strength.
The crit on use is blah imo
sick sentinel
I use a base mythic Rezan’s and a dark moon deck myself
knotty ermine
Aside from my rogue, my alts are always tanks, and for any number of reasons I always enjoy prot more. From what I played of the other classes on beta even, I enjoyed prot more. In regards to levelling an alt versus just playing prot for tanking, I'd stick with prot just because you can still be progressing your main if you want while playing your alt spec.
simple kiln
Thanks @uneven mason
sick sentinel
Also.... let’s be real. Warrior has BiS mogs
grim prism
^
prisma crane
as a whole i think DK and Pally have better plate options, but warrior have a few that are just amazing
junior ivy
i always liked leather mogs
rugged plinth
Is there a list for what m+ boss spells are blockable/reflectable?
prisma crane
it's in the pins
junior ivy
im aobut to do the bfa opening scenario on my horde warrior
casue i got nothing to do
sharp goblet
guys, what is the best trait for warrior prot?
prisma crane
last two bosses are a "treat"
sharp goblet
for M+*
prisma crane
@sharp goblet it's in the pins, and IV guide, but Deafening Crash is best overall
knotty ermine
If you spell reflect the 3rd boss's dot, you get imaginary achievement points
prisma crane
after that go for dmg ones
sharp goblet
@prisma crane Thanks!
prisma crane
like revenge, or TC ones, or even the block value one
knotty ermine
Mmmm imagine a talent or trait that reduced the CD on storm bolt if it also interrupted a spell
Make SB baseline and have it replace the SB talent
So you choose btween CDR on shockwave for number of targets hit, or CDR on Bolt for interrupting
prisma crane
fear should be off GCD
knotty ermine
agreed
junior ivy
demo shout should be off GCD 😭
knotty ermine
Stormbolt has no cd when Avatar is cast, go full Vann mode
dense flame
question. So can anyone comment on what healers are best ran with a prot warrior? Haven't tanked this expansion and am told our health is pretty ping pong in m+.
thinking probably mw/pally?
knotty ermine
From my own experience Monk feels fantastic, druid feels blegh, and all the others are somehwere inbetween.
dusk locust
monk is great, disc is not
mellow bridge
yeah I have good experience with monk as well
undone sun
definitely monk
mellow bridge
Pally seems good too
Bad experience with Shaman but I think the issue were the players
knotty ermine
Just be aware that a lot of Monk's stuff is hardcast, so even though they have great mobility they don't have great healing on the move, and plan accordingly.
undone sun
shaman almost definitely isn't a tank healer
knotty ermine
If the monk you're running with has RoP, you're in for a treat.
mellow bridge
a good RoP is so nice
dense flame
May be a general question. What makes it so that warrior isn't wanted in m+? I mean in legion some ppl didn't want warrio but from my experience warrior was fucking great in legion.
and thanks for the responses.
is it simply due to not high enough active mitigation or same utility arguments?
undone sun
still not terrible, just not ideal by comparison and it's because of utility
dense flame
okay thanks!
heavy cairn
hi
elfin apex
rop?
knotty ermine
Ring of Peace
elfin apex
ahh
sand seal
anyone remember when we used to tank with daggers?
clear sapphire
Anyone haonv issues with druid healers? I have one good one but a number of bad ones.
knotty ermine
Yes. Warriors and Druids mesh particularly poorly.
sand seal
i think most druids are talenting for raiding not dungeons
i notice a huge difference between the 2
sand seal
yeah, just grab you a pvp druid they'll keep u alive in dungeons
clear sapphire
Mmm. I left a 10 atal last night before totem boss as he could barely keep me up for rezan and he couldn't keep me up for a trash pull with 1 big guy and a priest.....
A guild priest I usually run with has 0 issues on fort or tyrannical on any boss.
grim prism
@sand seal you mean the start of this expac because all that fucking dropped from WQs was 2Hs? 🙃
sand seal
lol, i meant in like ubrs lbrs in vanilla
was gonna say that was more fun for me than prot atm
mellow bridge
I mean I'd expect people to be able to switch talents between raiding and dungeons lmao
unless you mean azerite, then I can understand it with the rising gold cost
grim prism
@clear sapphire i had a real bad Atal pug this week... ordinarily I hate torpedoing people's keys, but we were 40 deaths deep on a +7 and this guy SINGLE-TARGET TUNNELED the totems after the party leader who owned the key said to wait until witch doctors were dead
Cue instant wipe to avoidable party damage
I left that one
clear sapphire
Lol
dusk locust
i always tell people what the totems actually do
just telling them to attack totems last isn't enough
clear sapphire
We wiped about 4 times on a group with one big guy and a priest....... He couldn't heal for shit.... Though I don't think the DPS were to good either as alot of casts were getting through
knotty ermine
Mmmmm I'm not sure it's so simple as just talent choice though with RDruid. iirc you only change 2 talents for M+ versus raiding. Their class in general just not being well equipped for sustaining both a tank and the group. They can do one pretty well, they can do the other fairly well, but doing both is rather difficult for them atm
mellow bridge
I usually skip that group
grim prism
I mean if its a month into the expac and youre in a highish key, I would expect "kill totem after witch doctor dies" to be clear enough
dusk locust
dps won't listen to that. they have to know why
knotty ermine
and a serious lack of on-demand single target burst heals.
grim prism
@mellow bridge didnt have any skippy classes in the group
dusk locust
otherwise it's "this tank is an idiot those guys are immune unless the totem is dead"
grim prism
Except me, skipping the fuck out of that instance
mellow bridge
you can skip it via dying gg
you pull the group to one side, while your group hugs wall
knotty ermine
Had a hilarious bug in KR with totems the other night. Killed totem bro first, he comes up with his ghost form nova, and we interrupt ofc
mellow bridge
then you die and healer rezz
knotty ermine
Next time he comes up he pops his totems, and all of them were evading when you tried attacking them
mellow bridge
I almost always skip with shroud to the boss and then from the boss back I do the death skip
grim prism
@knotty ermine 🇫
grim prism
We missed timer on an atal 8 because one of the perched pterrordaxes was evading attacks and wouldnt come down to us, but was still able to cast its fear and bodypull the triceratops pats
Which, by the way, dont feel good on 8 fort
knotty ermine
Lollllll
grim prism
We BARELY missed timer, and 25 sec worth of deaths would have made the difference
mellow bridge
yeah I had to do that group earlier today in a +9
grim prism
Pepehands
mellow bridge
was kinda yikes
knotty ermine
Ate a fear from the triple ptero pack last night, and the lock in group dismissed his pet just before it pulled the big dinos
I offered to have his babies
mellow bridge
I'm legit so confused cuz of teeming
did atal twice today
First time I did normal route, works out perfectly with trash
grim prism
Whats funny is we handled the shit out of the ptero threepack on the runback
mellow bridge
Second time there's randomly one group missing on the route and we need to kill smth extra lol
Literally just a whole group missed
grim prism
We put markers on two of them, I said "i got x", pug said "i got skull" and we nocomms smashed that pack
I was amazed at how smoothly it went
knotty ermine
Aye. One someone didn't get stunned by shockwave even though they were all grped up. Either stun immune at the time because reasons, or just another dungeon bug
I'm inclined to just assume the latter
grim prism
Couldve been DR'ed
knotty ermine
I was the only person capable of stunning in the grp though, cept the lock I think? And he definitely wasn't doing it
mellow bridge
Dungeons feel very buggy tbh
grim prism
^
knotty ermine
Because they are
grim prism
^
knotty ermine
Had a wipe late in Motherlode tuesday
we all release, and when we come up we're in combat
dusk locust
i evade bug mobs with the cannon on tol dagor half the time
knotty ermine
should note that we had skipped quite a bit of trash at that point
30 seconds later the entire dungeon is coming for us
mellow bridge
lmfao
grim prism
Yeah ive had ML and freehold not break combat on rez
knotty ermine
somehow, when I died, everything stayed aggroed onto me
and came to me at the entrance, picking up every gdamn thing in the zone on its way
Jumped down to fight rezan in AD 8 last night
knotty ermine
Some random roguebro jumps on my back, waaaaaaaaay off his normal route
but he kept porting me back up, stabbing, and I would fall
halfway to the ground I port back, get stabbed, fall
uneven mason
TFW you jump to Rezan
dusk locust
is there a relevant potion you can use to find invisible patrols?
uneven mason
and the hunters pet dies about 8 seconds later
knotty ermine
longest drawn out wipe in history
grim prism
Lmao like that episode of futurama with the 10-second time rewinder
knotty ermine
@mellow bridge So you know the courtyard before the first bosses courtyard, with a bunch of NPCs fighting each other?
grim prism
@dusk locust Potion of Route-Learning and Greater TC Spam
mellow bridge
yea
knotty ermine
There are 2 mobs to the far right
left**
Non elites. Those are what you're stuck in combat with
mellow bridge
really
knotty ermine
THey aggro ((((((somehow)))))) andyou gotta kill em
mellow bridge
jesus..
knotty ermine
Even though they dont actually come for you
dusk locust
lol well i know about where they are, but sometimes a pull went wrong and the timing is all off, and i want to know where the invisible guy at the beginning of temple is
or a few of those patrols in atal
mellow bridge
whelp thanks for the info @knotty ermine
I assumed it was a bug because no matter how long you wait, nothing shows up
brazen sequoia
Which horde race is the most optimal for prot btw?
grim prism
I feel like the AD rogues are definitely in different places on teeming @dusk locust
@brazen sequoia literally doesnt matter
mellow bridge
they are
there are more rogues in AD
there are 2 at the bottom of the stairs up to totem boss
dusk locust
the ones on the stairs i generally jump down and find. there's the one just before stairs walking around i always get surprised by
mellow bridge
right behind the pack
then there are two more on the stairs
at least that's how it was in my last run
but teeming seems really random
dusk locust
walking around the totem guys
knotty ermine
What are you tanking @brazen sequoia ? If m+, BE is quite good. Same with HMT. The slow from NB is decent as well.
sacred wharf
Hey guys can I ask what is our BiS trinkets? Is it blockades and jes howler?
grim prism
Oh yeah sorry @brazen sequoia. I forgot belf racial is stupid right now. Pick that one
mellow bridge
belf racial is really useful, can confirm
grim prism
Itll change again next expac tho after all the complaints from alli lol
mellow bridge
Purging off gilded claws in AD lmao
boneshields in underrot, lightning shield in temple
so good
brazen sequoia
@knotty ermine I'm maghar right now but I feel like they are a joke... would roll iron dwarf but alliance cringe.. It's for m+ and raids
knotty ermine
I need to see the BE heritage armor before I make a final decision. Was going to throw usefulness of racials out the window and go MagHar because they look fckin sick, but the monk in my group beat me to it
So now we have no AT
I really don't want yet another BE char though, lol.
grim prism
DID racial is sicknasty, but half the plate looks like shit on dwarves and your weapon clips through the ground
(Not that plate looks good on elves)
pliant tangle
Well, is the prot warri really that bad? Everbody from my friendlist told me that lol
grim prism
I mean if youre deadset on minmaxing the active racial, youre pretty much shoehorned into belf or DID
@pliant tangle no
It could benefit from some tuning but it is viable in everything including M+ and mythic raids. It's just harder to play than other tanks
knotty ermine
@brazen sequoia BE racial is far and away the winner for M+ but, honestly just roll with what you like the looks of the best and dump dispel duties onto people in your group 😛
mellow bridge
o
one more really good use for be racial
the MC after the first boss in KR
is purgable
makes that group really easy
grim prism
Oh sick
knotty ermine
Pardon me
But fear immunity and shockwave also makes those packs a joke
(I know BE is a single cast, just let me live my excuse to not play BE)
grim prism
You are
mellow bridge
In the room youre stuck
vagrant cape
I forgot to look before I started pooping just now, but what's the order of most stats to least between the azerite armor slots (assuming equal ilvl)?
mellow bridge
The whirlwind guy and the mindcontrol girl
knotty ermine
thought you meant the zul minion dorks
grim prism
@vagrant cape uh what?
mellow bridge
nah
prisma crane
@vagrant cape if it's like spots in the past, base stats on helm and chest are =
grim prism
You mean which has the highest total stat?
prisma crane
shoulders less
vagrant cape
Yeah
prisma crane
so if you have a piece with DC that's low, make it your shoulders
vagrant cape
I'm basically deciding between using my 340 helm or my 340 shoulders
Okie dokie, thanks!
knotty ermine
eyyyy
ember arrow
100% healing parses
feeling good
traitor? didnt i answer questions in acherus from you?
stark sage
😬
grim prism
:hardyikes:
prisma crane
today on Jerry Springer....
ember arrow
CSI SKyhold
grim prism
Jerry Springhrrllgh*
ember arrow
who is jerry spinger
grim prism
Some American
He's like Steve Erwin, except for people who live in trailer parks instead of animals
ember arrow
so he got stabbed by a trailer and died?
digital arrow
😭
prisma crane
i like that analogy @grim prism
soft bridge
lol
steel mauve
People living in animals?!
undone sun
wat
prisma crane
make context great again
grim prism
Yaknow @steel mauve
I typed that out and immediately thought "i should rephrase that"
But its too late now
static pilot
I'll be honest, if someone had asked me ten years ago who was more likely to get stabbed on TV, Steve Irwin or Jerry Springer - I'd definitely have picked Jerry
in other news Prot Warrior is on the front page of reddit/wow again, in meme format this time ^^
magic zephyr
how do you guys feel, is the ilvlup still better than looking for better stats?
static pilot
you got that wrong mate, it's spelled with a W 😃
chilly brook
Unless you’re losing DC
wide juniper
My prot war is in the garage until I see 8.1
chilly brook
Lol da edit though
static pilot
and an E
wide juniper
We'll see if the tarp goes on it
wide juniper
Not expecting a complete rework.
static pilot
guess we'll know tomorrow
I look forward to the memes if prot is unchanged on the PTR ^^
chilly brook
Lol I wouldn’t expect class changes tomorrow either
I’d be decently ok with them leaving prot alone
static pilot
nothing wrong with that, play what you enjoy 😃
magic zephyr
ignore pain out of the gcd and its okey
chilly brook
The thing prot could benefit from the most is a more potent IP
IP off the gcd isn’t going to change anything
Objectively
That is
static pilot
subjective or not, it's massively the most common complaint about prot atm
graceful mason
I want a cd that buffs IP on the same tier as bolster
static pilot
@maiden cliff I didnt think warriors stacked dodge these days
chilly brook
Why would you take that over bolster
graceful mason
On fights that don't benefit from blocking as much
chilly brook
Hmmm? @static pilot
static pilot
It was a reference to the way you dodged that response 😛
chilly brook
From my experience it’s not the most complained about thing
And they’re not going to change it
static pilot
then our experiences differ markedly
that you're probably right about, they seem committed to this GCD ship
chilly brook
They’d need to take FR, LOTP and other things like that as well
spice musk
iwhich is better Shoulder ilvl 340 with DC trait from Temple or 370 Shoulder from Warfront ?
chilly brook
And I’ve never dodged it I’ve always said that it wouldn’t fix anything at the bottom line
Whichever has DC
DC>ilvl
static pilot
subjective or not, it's massively the most common complaint about prot atm
I thought the most common complaint was that we’re bad :ahi <-- Dodge
chilly brook
spice musk
really i mean that 30 ilvl difference
chilly brook
There’s the reason
30ilvl difference doesn’t give you 75% uptime on Demo Shout
A 20% damage reduction
You can consider going with the 370s but you’re most likely better off keeping DC
spice musk
mh okay
chilly brook
@static pilot I mean I’ve stated several times why that complaint isn’t all that relevant to prot’s current situation
Just because it’s common doesn’t mean it needs to be taken seriously by the devs
Or that it actually addresses a problem
spice musk
i will hold the 370 for the time blizzard will nerf it. Which trait would you than prefer in that 370 shoulders Bloodsport or Liberatormight?
quartz lake
I did an Atal Dazar this morning +5 and the healer kept telling me to kite the adds. I didn't see anything regarding an affix that is needed me to kite them. Am I special needs? Do you guys have any idea?
chilly brook
Bloodsport
static pilot
you were dismissing his view because it was only his subjective opinion - I pointed out that it was an opinion shared by a very large amount of people that are currently unhappy with prot warriors
chilly brook
Fortified? Teeming?
Most of people’s unhappiness with prot has to do with their perceived performance not their playstyle
static pilot
it's worth acknowledging that "I feel" is not a statement of fact, but it's also worth acknowledging that when 80% of the movie customer feedback says "your movie sucks" then it may be worth following up on, subjective or not
jovial reef
i'd bet that most people who enjoyed prot in legion dislike it purely for the gcd on IP
spice musk
i really need a ranking of all traits would be much easier for me xD
jovial reef
the fact that prot is also the worst tank for all content is just icing on the shitty cake
prisma crane
@spice musk it's in teh pins, in the IV guide
chilly brook
@static pilot movies=/=video games
prisma crane
well, im not a fan at all of how slow the class has gotten @jovial reef so im in that camp, everyone slowed down, but i feel like it hit us with a larger culture shock
static pilot
all that said, I dont see the point in discussing prot with you. I believe that we both agree that prot could do with some tweaks, I'm happy to leave it at that
chilly brook
One is completely player interaction based the other isn’t
static pilot
especially since I'm guessing Sal would rather have us leave the topic alone for the time being
static pilot
do you have any proof of that?
prisma crane
at the high end, i'd agree, but that's a small % of players
chilly brook
Uhhhhhh we have proof of that everyday
static pilot
I saw plenty of people play BM in Legion even though it was parsing bottom because they liked the class mechanics
prisma crane
there's a lot of ppl who just want to play the game and enjoy it, playing a class that's punishing with little reward for mastery isnt fun to those people
static pilot
indeed
chilly brook
Then don’t play that class
prisma crane
at the top end, 100% agree Griff, ppl play what's best because they must, but that's a small amount of players
chilly brook
🤔
static pilot
that's a copout and you know it
steady dock
Howdy! How does Jes' Howler (355) compare to Xalzaix's Veiled Eye (355, socket) ?
prisma crane
well it's evident that people jsut simply arent playing the class
that's the point
Jes is better
steel mauve
use howler
chilly brook
Except that the opinion of that top end clearly shaped the perception of the community @prisma crane
spice musk
when i understand the uldir traits right they are in mythic plus weaker than IF etc?
steady dock
Hm, ok ty
chilly brook
The opinion of the individual player also shows that
prisma crane
of course, but again, that also only affects aspiring "good" players, not your average WQ, LFR, 5 man for fun players
prisma crane
@spice musk they only work in Uldir, so yes
jovial reef
the hidden bonus buff only works in uldir*
chilly brook
It’s almost an exact mirror of said videos
spice musk
no the array works only in uldir but not the not buffed trait
stable elm
I have my ass royally crushed in kings rest today. And then shadow priest soloed the whole pack
digital arrow
whats a decent raider io score? everyones starting to use it and now im worried if i ever want to pug higher keys
chilly brook
And that’s overall not just top end
chilly brook
@digital arrow if you don’t have 700+ good luck my friend
jovial reef
1k is p much required by now
digital arrow
lol rip
prisma crane
@digital arrow just do what you can, start with completing all dungeons at your best and incrementally improve
jovial reef
i see no keys asking for less than 370 and 1k score
prisma crane
simply doing all dungeons will net you the most points at the start
jovial reef
no 10 keys*
stable elm
You can always organize pug yourself on your own terms
static pilot
thanks Krotos 😃
stable elm
Tank is sweet place to be pug leader
prisma crane
np
sick sentinel
If they made IP able to crit on cast
chilly brook
Anyways to wrap up and get off the topic objectively one of the best things they could do for prot warrior is to buff the potency of IP regarding it’s absorb amount (not the percentage mind you)
sick sentinel
I'd be happy.
spice musk
@prisma crane not really i get the 240 stats buff outside of uldir but the array that buffed these higher is not active.
static pilot
If I understand you correctly your argument is that m+ tank rankings match what youtube creators ranked tanks at because the m+ community slavishly follow the video rankers?
prisma crane
tbh Griff, that'll change almost nothing about our M+ representation
sick sentinel
40.6k IPs at cap atm though unbuffed, cant complain. Feels good
chilly brook
Well I’m not really talking about representation on that point @prisma crane
prisma crane
@spice musk ah, right, well part of it then, true
stable elm
IP off gcd is bad idea btw
chilly brook
The only reason I brought up the Mythic + representation is that it’s fairly similar to how a certain someone ranked the tanks
prisma crane
but that's our greatest weakness and where teh lion's share of players fall as far as content goes
static pilot
couldn't that also mean that "a certain someone" knows what he's talking about?
I'm not sure who you're talking about btw, there are a lot of wow streamers
stable elm
We have huge dps and moving IP out of gcd will make it even less balanced to other classes
chilly brook
The only thing that’ll actually fix representation would be a change in perception
static pilot
afaik Preach, Asmon, Sco etc all have tank rankings
chilly brook
@static pilot Sco specifically
prisma crane
it's the same debate as in legion, we can be amazing, but if we dont provide a certain utility, we wont go as far
static pilot
Sco ranked warriors at the bottom for m+?
stable elm
So blizzard will have to tone down our numbers
static pilot
who did he rank second last?
static pilot
okay... To me, that says he had a decent grasp on tank balance
chilly brook
Top 3 for him was DK, DH, Monk iirc
static pilot
I havent played much with guardians but I'd agree that warrior are less attractive tanks for m+ atm
and yeah, I'd probably put those 3 in the top 3
mellow bridge
I'm surprised to nee barely any guardian druid talk on reddit
static pilot
@opaque pawn how would you rank the tanks for m+?
mellow bridge
Saw a couple of comments at the start of bfa but now it's kinda quiet
prisma crane
well, the big issue with Sco, for me at least, was that he was ranking us with piss poor talent choices, so even if ppl chose that tank, they'd use the wrong talents further hurting our image, but idk if that's the case now
chilly brook
But he also put those rankings out admitting he hadn’t played all the classes
chilly brook
And he didn’t even use optimal talents on his warrior
So there are plenty of bones to pick with that
static pilot
okay, so... here's what I'm thinking
if he released a video ranking beta tanks in m+
steel mauve
wasnt it him who rated down DH's in legion because he was referencing their cd's and was basing his rating on the havocs meta which is a 2 min longer cd?
static pilot
and they were released and the balance was wildly different
quartz nebula
has anyone tried tanking KR +7 this week? feels like im made of paper
static pilot
I think the community would adapt to that
like if Deathstrike healed for 3% of total health and didnt scale to damage taken it doesnt matter if DK was ranked top in beta
because on life it would be fucking trash
chilly brook
TBF the community doesn’t adapt to anything without a push
prisma crane
most people won't just swap mains
stable elm
KR is pain this week
chilly brook
That as well
static pilot
I did
Prot used to be my main tank
hated it in the prepatch, but told myself it would be better at 120
hated it at 120, told myself it would be better with better gear
hated it at ilevel 350 and decided to retire it for the time being
and I played prot warrior for the entirety of legion, loved it, even when things were rough at times
still love prot, first class I ever played in WOW
just can't stand playing it atm
prisma crane
i mean between tiers
it's a pain
even more so mid tier
but others have many classes and play what they enjoy, too many generalizations
native monolith
prisma crane
either way, we're not shit as many assume, jsut because at bottom doesnt mean not viable, tanks are as a whole (in raids) quite balanced compared to years past
but if we want a chance in M+, utility changes must happen
chance at top end*
stable elm
Dungeon exp and gear mean much more then class balance anyway
static pilot
arguably warriors werent in a great spot for much of legion either but I didnt really mind that as long as the gameplay was fun and engaging
prisma crane
@stable elm disagree once you get to high keys
yea @static pilot same, i think what hurts now is that there's little to no payoff for the change in game play
static pilot
I'm incredibly bummed out that you can buy a 50g scroll to copy battle shout at 70% efficiency but there's no consumable to replicate, say, battle rezes
static pilot
Agreed. Objectively all the tanks took a hit in survivability from Legion but I feel like the prot thing goes way beyond that
storm valley
I just died to a pack that had a mob CC'd despite having 7 cooldowns (4 of mine, 3 of the healer's) on me
I think our survivability might be in a bad spot who can say
prisma crane
it's because most tanks arent DKs and most heals arent disc /druid / pally, and most dps arent frost mage, rogue, etc
mellow bridge
The monkeys?
storm valley
like I don't expect them to be easy
mellow bridge
Ah
storm valley
nah the soldiers with the commander
storm valley
yeah
radiant wolf
isn't that the poison pack?
storm valley
yeah it had 2 poison guys, a sniper, the commander
mellow bridge
Well those should be survivable with 7 cds 🤔
storm valley
YOU'D THINK
like idk I don't play optimally or whatever, but that dungeon took 69 minutes :v
prisma crane
if you put the best players behind all classes, there will be ones that just cannot do what others can, class balance in M+ means more than gear and dungeon knowledge is simply expected at top end
static pilot
in all fairness teeming fort is a shit show no matter what tank you bring. This is not an enjoyable week for m+
mellow bridge
I mean I did a +8 today and needed both CDs for a double pull
prisma crane
^
mellow bridge
So idk how you can't handle one group with seven
storm valley
Wiping Tyrannical actually feels like you're learning and doing cool PvE stuff
prisma crane
because fort was what everyone wanted in legion lol
radiant wolf
that poison hurts if it's not dispelled though
prisma crane
but now trash is awful and tanks are nerfed
mellow bridge
Tyrannical is better this xpac imho except for when some boss mechanics start oneshotting the rest of the group without much counterplay
stable elm
Some dungeons like setralis is not affected by teaming much
storm valley
if you wanna make hard trash, make a boss with a bunch of adds
prisma crane
you're looking at M+ wrong then @storm valley
stable elm
So I don’t agree it worst
prisma crane
trash is what makes them interesting
mellow bridge
I mean trash is supposed to be difficult and require proper cc kicks etc
storm valley
I think you might be looking at game design wrong, mate
static pilot
how is temple this week? I havent tried it yet but I have a +9 on my shaman that I'm really really not looking forward to trying
prisma crane
trash affects how you move through the dungeon, how you pull, how much you pull, pace of CDs
bosses are bosses are bosses
static pilot
"trash" really is misleading when it comes to m+. On high + a trash pack can be its own miniboss
storm valley
None of that makes it enjoyable to fight
static pilot
learning what each mob's mechanics are and how to counter them is a big part of the m+ experience
prisma crane
well that's your opinion and it's 👌 for you to have that
mellow bridge
@static pilot well it was pretty fine for me until one of the packs double spawned and we couldn't clear it properly without one dd leaving
storm valley
Is there genuinely a pack in the game right now for which the counters aren't AOE stuns and interrupts
prisma crane
i personally don't find bosses that just one shot once you get to a certain key level fun either
mellow bridge
+9 as well
prisma crane
in legion, no, in BFA, yes
static pilot
100%
storm valley
Closest I can think is the artillery boys in Siege
static pilot
purging the fear adds in King's rest
kiting berserkers to reset bleed stacks
soothing enrage effects all over the place
storm valley
You can just stun the berserkers
prisma crane
i mean, infested alone forces CCs or at least focus dps
static pilot
@mellow bridge well, that fucking sucks
static pilot
did you make a ticket or just leave it?
storm valley
Enrage is countered by one class, that isn't an outplay, it's a guy pressing a button.
mellow bridge
Or you can pull stuff from the cellar while being above lol
storm valley
Whatever, I'm glad you guys enjoy it more than me because at least there's some use to it.
mellow bridge
Nah I didn't, I'm 100% blizz is aware
The double spawn bug has been around since bfa release
static pilot
I had that happen - fighting in the courtyard of Waycrest, got adds joining through wall
storm valley
Waycrest has some insane random stuff with pull areas, we had the tree despawn because a DK Frost Dragon ran through a wall
static pilot
then realized that we somehow pulled the named add in the basement
and she got 4(?) stacks of the +50% damage & haste buff they cast
static pilot
we didn't have a purge class and that buff is fucking permanent
mellow bridge
Somehow
static pilot
there are times when its tempting to take a break and come back in six months
there are things I like about BFA but it feels so half-baked
mellow bridge
Yea
Feels like I'm playing a beta
Which is sad
Legion felt good, the last xpac I played before that was tbc which felt good lol
Their other games feel good when released
But bfa just feels unfinished
static pilot
I was absent for most of Draenor so I came into late draenor with a fresh mindset
Im sure Legion was busted in places at launch too but I didnt realize it
but I've been playing nonstop for two years and enjoyed every minute of it
now... Eh
static pilot
tbf I didnt get so lucky with my mains - I play enhancement shaman and (used to) prot warrior
mellow bridge
Like azerite gear, not tuning dungeons correctly with the affixes and the 5 million bugs
static pilot
I think a fair few complaints would be put to rest if you add 15% haste baseline to every spec ^^
with the way secondary stats scale atm it still wouldnt reach legion levels
anyway, I gotta duck out. See you later folks 😃
sick sentinel
@storm valley the Invaders in those packs do retarded poison damage that stats to a x5 dot.
Itd kill any tank w/o constant depoison/CDs.
Either CC them on pulls, or kill them asap. A lot of the dungeons at higher mythic+ w/ affixes just comes down to player knowledge. Dont blame it on your class.
junior ivy
is there an addon or weakaura that will make it obvious which way a boss is facing
for shockwaves and stuff
next lagoon
basic target selection have an arrow not?
junior ivy
on the floor, if its a tiny boss like a goblin with a bunch of people around
its hard to see
its very small
prisma crane
there used to be stuff like that
but blizz changed some stuff that basically banned all of those
since addons like that can essentially play the game for you in a way
addons that would put overlays on your map or screen so you know what places are safe and stuff, like last boss of motherlode
and you're prob talking about the 3rd boss there
junior ivy
aww
lol yeh thats the one
i play zoomed way out
and its so hard to see where shes facing
sick sentinel
lol
neon tangle
If you’re zoomed out you can’t see your super awesome transmog
ocean acorn
for fun?
neon tangle
Winning hearts and minds
uncut fractal
imagine one of the most popular tanks to main a warr tank
ocean acorn
wasnt he a warrior main til legion
undone sun
yes
uncut fractal
maybe he thinks warriors will be buffed or smth
ocean acorn
hey, i remember reading here a calculation on block value and block rating does anyone no where that is
gaunt coyote
why is there so many prot war complaints on leddit
neon tangle
There’s nothing but complaining on reddit
sick tree
Because we do have balance issues compared to other tanks
ocean acorn
i think the only issue i had was finding a shield
solid mist
proactive tank vs. reactive tanks
ocean acorn
i was using a 325 til yesterday
neon tangle
If you didn’t know this is the worst expansion ever
solid mist
worst game, worst expansion, worst class, worst spec
neon tangle
^^
Everyone hates this game basically, and yells about it
People like to say that Wrath was great
But 95% of what I heard back then was people bitching about how it got easy
And “welfare epics”
stark sage
people bitch every xpac