Pummel on left pedal, /train on right
#protection
grim prism
sick sentinel
Need a rl picture of your setup, Balsaq ^^
grim prism
Godtier
grim prism
Now I'm actually going to have to go steal my mom's sewing machine and hotwire it to an arduino so you guys don't realize I'm full of shit
This is escalating way too much
Lets go back to complaining
sick sentinel
The way to go
chilly brook
Guys just be real prot warriors and use double joysticks and pedals
digital arrow
lol ddr pad
sick sentinel
Use a glue pistol with copper cartridges 
chilly brook
Oh wait
knotty ermine
digital arrow
lol if u wanna be a true prot warrior ur gonna need this hardware
junior ivy
yay i finsihed the BRD scenario for dark iron dwarves
grim prism
I might legit need to make a WA that plays twerk music when I pop avatar
chilly brook
I should probably sell my flight stuff since I don’t even really use it anymore
junior ivy
now i gotta do motherlode 😦
grim prism
Maybe that will be the new shield slam confetti @leaden carbon
Pop ava and your UI tells you to make it clap👏clap👏clap👏clap👏
brisk atlas
Is 9k dps in aoe good?
grim prism
Not really
sick sentinel
o0
sweet orchid
I've hit over 40k in aoe
grim prism
I'd want to see at least 15
chilly brook
/flex time
brisk atlas
I also only at 330 tho
chilly brook
brisk atlas
336 to be presice
sick sentinel
which fight, Matt?
brisk atlas
And that was on normal mobs to
grim prism
How many adds?
brisk atlas
Not in raid
chilly brook
That was on trash before Zul
brisk atlas
Yeah i was on some shitty ass mobs i the wild
chilly brook
Who pulls more than one dominator 🤔
grim prism
If youre on like 4-5 mobs I'd probably expect like 12k average at your ilvl?
Does that sound right guys?
chilly brook
Anyways highest I’ve pulled in like m+ trash is like 40k
grim prism
Maybe even 15 still
brisk atlas
But on normal mobs when i have shitty rings and shitty weapons tho
chilly brook
@grim prism I mean at 330 he should be able to burst over 20k I feel
uneven mason
depends on the pull size
brisk atlas
I mean i have a 320 rings a 300 ring and my weapons are 300
uneven mason
I did a normal with the wifes alt the other night
grim prism
300 weapon will definitely hurt
brisk atlas
Yeah
chilly brook
That’s a big oof
uneven mason
I Pulled everything between bridge and council
brisk atlas
Yeah
uneven mason
did 74k
brisk atlas
Jesus
chilly brook
I mean DC is an extension on 15% damage
chilly brook
Yea that screenshot I posted was unfortunately from after the trash was dead 😭
I was at over 80k before they all died
uneven mason
Well
chilly brook
I’m pretty sure I had it on strim
grim prism
Yeah @brisk atlas i would literally spam heroics until you get azerite with deafening crash
grim prism
Then it's avatar > tclap > demo > tclap tclap tclap tclap
chilly brook
I wasn’t even paying attention until someone in discord was like “that moment when your tank is almost doing 100k DPS”
grim prism
That one is actually importsnt
uneven mason
I use shield wall so I don't have to worry about using IP
brisk atlas
So basically stack deafing crash as much as possible
uneven mason
TC REV TC REV TC REV TC REV OMNOMNOMNOM
grim prism
The important part doesnt stack
brisk atlas
I have on
uneven mason
well
brisk atlas
Its on my helm
sick sentinel
Not gonna happen in m+ 10 upwards this week, Ikarize t_T
grim prism
Make sure you have the talents in the pinned guide
brisk atlas
So what should i take besides dc
uneven mason
but does nothing over 1 for survivability
grim prism
Brace for Impact ideally
uneven mason
Brace for Impact or Iron Fortress
brisk atlas
Okau
grim prism
Maybe callous reprisal if you M+ a lot
uneven mason
BFI is better, IF is close behind it
grim prism
BFI is bis other than DC
uneven mason
see what we do when there isn't someone complaining Balsaq, we're actually helpful
wtf
brisk atlas
Okay so i want BFI but if i can get IF and cant get BFI Get it got thanks
uneven mason
yeah
for the most part you'll have one of the 3 (DC BFI IF) on Dungeon gear
for some reason (Motivation to do M+ dungeons ofc) DC is not on Uldir gear.
which is like, a massive trigger for us
since its basically mandatory to be optimal as warrior.
brisk atlas
Okay idk if its just me but does it feel like ignore pain does nothing or is it doing alot and im just not noticing it
grim prism
A little of both
brisk atlas
Okay
grim prism
Its very important but its also kind of undertuned
brittle arch
IF?
grim prism
So sometimes it feels like the only reason you are pressing it is to advance anger management
brisk atlas
Welp time to go get gear
grim prism
But rest assured you would notice it if it were gone
chilly brook
Here we are @grim prism @uneven mason
knotty ermine
Also, make sure you hold onto a DC piece for each slot, because you will likely be shifting things around and you want to make sure you can make any combo work while still maintaining DC.
grim prism
@brisk atlas make sure you are doing avatar > charge > TC > demo > TC TC TC TC to maximize damage and extend the damage reduction on demo shout
Getting the most out of that deafening crash trait is the most important thing as a war right now
That and having a high ilvl shield
modern brook
^ the true measure of skill
grim prism
Skillforge me daddyyyyyyyy
modern brook
see my 345 sheild and G0-4W4Y
knotty ermine
So, I know the cooldown is aids, but this knockback belt enchant from engineering is stupid good.
brittle arch
Currently have Grid runner 370 w/(BFI) + Dread plate chest 355 w/(BFI). I was using kraken shell 340 w/(DC) but got 385 Pauldrons of horned horror w/(Callous R). The only other DC pieces I have are helms and shoulder at 340. Is it worth it to have DC at the cost of major ilvl decreases?
grim prism
@chilly brook dirty
chilly brook
That was the pull that the screenshot was from
knotty ermine
10min cd feels awful, but that knockback during kite week has been a lifesaver on a few occasions
grim prism
@brittle arch unfortunately yes. Just move traits around to minimize the loss
brittle arch
Feelsbadman
modern brook
if u scroll up some i think @junior igloo did the math
grim prism
Wear those 385 shoulders and reforge to wear 340 helm I guess
Since thats only -15 and not -45
brittle arch
Anyone know if DC exists on a chest somewhere?
modern brook
not in uldir iirc?
grim prism
It does not
brittle arch
Ill check icyveins
wintry ermine
@chilly brook are you using Khakhan's weak aura?
grim prism
Huh
Weird
Well you guys already know idk wtf i'm talking about
I main prot
What did you expext
knotty ermine
Lol
chilly brook
@wintry ermine couldn’t tell you off the top of my head
brittle arch
Only WQ chests have DC on them
knotty ermine
It doesn't exist from anything farmable.
knotty ermine
Got that chest (twice) from emissary rewards.
brittle arch
I've probably DE it
knotty ermine
item restore bb
brittle arch
Ahhh, but they cap at 330 no?
grim prism
I would do that if possible, mother helm is BiS.
brittle arch
or 325
grim prism
It can 340 from emissary caches
grim prism
tfw we are playing resto warrior
knotty ermine
I've kept restore on cd since bfa launched. Restore all items that give crap from scrapper and just DE em or vendor depending on value
knotty ermine
Also just made it a habit to hold onto one of every azerite trait per slot since I dont really have a need for the bank space anyway
grim prism
Yeah I have like 11 az pieces on me including equipped
One for each slot of each spec, and a couple pieces with good traits in case I get a +30 ilvl downgrade and need to reforge
chilly brook
I hate Zul
grim prism
I hate Ion
chilly brook
I agree
brittle arch
Had two of the 325's. Either way its a 30 ilvl loss, but also lose a potential trait, depend on HoA level req
knotty ermine
As an enchanter and Engineer, I am so thrilled to be sitting on 16 sanguicells and 124 hydrocores right now
really sitting on a goldmine /s
chilly brook
Can we make a guild named “I Hate Ion”?
grim prism
DC is 2stronk, def worth more than 30 ilvl
Well, probably worth more than 30. Marok blanket statement and Meiffert posted some discrete math about it
I personally use DC over +30
Like as we speak, thats what I have on
Or rather I reforged some 340 shoulders to make room for the 370 elsewhere*
Forgot about thay
chilly brook
My next best piece that my DC is on is only like a 15ilvl upgrade so its no big deal for me still sucks though
grim prism
Hence the shitload of az in the bag
brisk atlas
i wanna fucking kill myself
my shoulders that i had when i was fury which have thunderous blast on them......had DC
grim prism
reforge that shit homie
solid mist
yeah reroll
brisk atlas
OH RIGHT
solid mist
😉
brisk atlas
FUCKING POG FORGOT THAT WAS A THING
grim prism
Resto Warrior strikes again
brisk atlas
i was actually about to go grind for that shit again
grim prism
Lmfao yikes
half merlin
wait whats a thing?
floral rock
reforging azerite gear
brittle arch
Sure look goofy, with a blue 330 on lol
knotty ermine
I mean
I do that in my fury gear. 325 boots with a sock better than the 355s I have in bag feelsoddman.
Apply to a group and get inv'd wearing pruples, swap to best gear when no one notices before run starts
that and my 330 clock trinket that was better than anything else I had until I bought a fathoms deck a couple days ago
primal crypt
Oh dear
gleaming jacinth
vendor trash
gleaming jacinth
scrapped for 2 ores
brisk atlas
so is a 325 helm with IF better than a 340 without it?
knotty ermine
You know... I convinced myself last night that I really don't need to keep running M+ below a 10 this week, since my gear is all already 365 save for 1-2 items that are 355 and 360.
modern brook
i lvl above traits for everything 'cept dc
brisk atlas
okay
knotty ermine
but you a-holes keep linking your forged shields :/
daring marlin
As much as I hate chasing shields
primal crypt
getting 370 socket shields and shit
grim prism
Really not stoked to have to do a 10 this week
I have an UR 9 I think my friends are willing to carry me in lol
grim prism
Apparently the room before the second boss has literally dozens of mobs
sly swan
I would recommend seige for your 10+
grim prism
@sly swan did you do siege 10 this week?
sly swan
yea, it wasn't bad at all.
grim prism
I bet
knotty ermine
Honestly, unless my grp decides to push up one of our keys which isn't likely due to schedule conflicts, my best bet for a 10 this week is going to be "whichever one I can get invited to"
sly swan
kings was ok but still sucked
grim prism
KR seems like it should be okay if and only if everyone does mechanics
UR feels like it would suck regardless lol
I feel like blood matron charge will instagib DPS
primal crypt
stop saying that
I'm literally about to go into this 10 UR
and you guys are scaring me
old dawn
underrot is sad for me always
grim prism
100% no memes, tag me and lmk how it goes
knotty ermine
Prepare your anus, at least until you get to crawgmaw
primal crypt
Will save me tho
grim prism
I love underrot tbh
knotty ermine
Smooth sailing afterward
sly swan
Its insane this week
old dawn
i just don't like some of the trash pulls, and this is ALSO ON TEEMING
knotty ermine
I love UR except this week. Running with a guild group versus pugs significantly swings my opinion of a dungeon
old dawn
and FORTIFIED
knotty ermine
"Oh look one of the DPS pulled ticks"
"Oh look one of the DPS broke the CC"
"Ohh look one of the DPS pulled ticks again"
sly swan
just wait, you gonna want to pull ticks
grim prism
I'm not even gonna bother shrouding the first shit
old dawn
"The Underrot
Ticks now do less damage and spawn in smaller numbers.
Unbound Abomination now spawns pools of Vile Expulsion around him."
Gonna need to reclear after we wipe anyway lol
sly swan
yeah
old dawn
i haven't done it with this change yet
old dawn
oh yea this week is still a no-go
knotty ermine
and that second tick pack specifically is doubled
knotty ermine
I'll still hug right and skip them though
sly swan
i woudn't
sly swan
we tried that.
There's no room for movement with quaking
bile goes everywhere
screeches are crazy
Just pull the ticks
knotty ermine
Hmm. We nuked down the slime, kept flowers stunned/interrupted and killed them, then killed the maggot. We also coordinated quakes though. Like in narrow pathways its great to assign who runs furthest back/forward, who steps away, and who stays in place (usually me)
modern brook
as a warrior it feels REALLY bad but stun and run
ember arrow
siege easy lol
sly swan
^
knotty ermine
But you know... then someone pulled the ticks on that first run out. But hey got em on the next shot lol.
We had a far harder time with the pack before first boss than anything. CC'd the priest and hunter, but dps broke the hunter's cc. they were nuking down the spirit, but the hunter trapped people in a cleave on more than one occasion
grim prism
I always pull ticks instead of lasher pack
I havent even seen it on teeming to know i dont want to do it lol
CC locking three lashers at once on +9 fort is going to be a fucking chore even without teeming
modern brook
@knotty ermine thats the hardest pull in underrot imo
We suicided on the priest and got a head hunter
then suicided the mask
then the rest of the pull
knotty ermine
Yeah it was rough. I was actually feeling decent about it with the CC we had, but didn't account for the derp factor, I guess
uneven mason
I Mean...ticks are easy to deal with - just bring a paladin 🙄
mellow bridge
Just did a ML +8 or 9 not sure which one
grim prism
@mellow bridge today?
uneven mason
Same way we deal with Zul...you get the DOT BoP'd off
uneven mason
🤢
modern brook
lol i deal 6k dps outside of avatar
mellow bridge
Usually pug is doable, just some bad people in between
but today I've only had bad people
An arms warrior that doesnt understand quaking and literally walks into me 7/10 times
sly swan
That pack before the boss is prolly one of the roughest pulls
mellow bridge
Btw is temple bugged with teeming?
grim prism
I depleted a +3 in a pug group where the spriest did less damage than the disc healer
mellow bridge
In the 2nd boss room, we had 12 of those healer snake guys in the middle as one pack
literally
grim prism
I wouldve left the damn thing but it was my friends key
modern brook
I feel bad for spreists
mellow bridge
We couldnt do it without wiping having to wipe 50 times so we quit the run
modern brook
there are pulls where they legit cant break 3k
sly swan
we cc'd the befoweled spirt guy and the caster in the back.
mellow bridge
Either this is buggy as fuck or Blizzard is even dumber than I thought
Literally feels like playing alpha this week
mellow bridge
So you telling me 12 healer mobs in one group is "hard" and not "close to undoable and ridiculous"
mhhkay
ember arrow
yes
uneven mason
Huge healer pack - clear the beasts, do a long kite, have a DPS yank them off of you one at a time
ember arrow
you can focus one down at a time
uneven mason
y so hard
uneven mason
😄
uneven mason
ROGUE QUICK, BECOME CHUN-LI
ember arrow
not for 2 adds
sly swan
oh you're talking about the tendies? before the second boss?
modern brook
Evo moment 34
mellow bridge
yea
knotty ermine
I mean, devil's advocate here, last week there were double spawns in AD because reasons, so it's certainly possible that Blizz fucked something up lol
sly swan
yeah how there's 6 of them haha
ember arrow
i love how ppl said m+ was too easy, now that theyre actuall challenging, every 5 min in some tank discrod
sly swan
its rediculous
ember arrow
ppl complain
modern brook
In fairness m+ was too easy in legion
knotty ermine
Venting about m+ issues during a conversation about m+ issues
uneven mason
@ember arrow Having to think of strats rather than just bulldoze them with an unkillable demigod tankmode is hard.
dusk locust
it's as hard as you make it
knotty ermine
o u t r a g e
dusk locust
you can push the key as far as you want
ember arrow
@uneven mason indeed
we agree for once
i get what he i s saying
but it doesnt make sense
uneven mason
Legion was like "Oh shit my group died on +18 tyrannical Helya, GUESS I'LL SOLO THIS BITCH"
ember arrow
u misspelled 28
ember arrow
in waycrest, we had the rogue scout ahead
weak zephyr
"Your king, as well as your faction, only survive due to plot armor. And you know, honor and stuff, or something." @knotty ermine
To be fair, at least the alliance has more leadership stability than your warchiefs who keep dying or turning evil. Pickle Jesus ain't here to save you guys this time :)
@modern brook "Alliance is a faction of mary sues"
Thrall is the biggest Mary Sue and can't decide whether to actually save his faction or not. Besides, if you think anduin Lothar or varian or Mary sues. Just look at your own faction leaders. All they really do is "loktar ogar honor or some shit we wuz warchiefs"
"Better red than having your home burned down joy"
@chilly brook I mean we invaded orgrimmar at one point and basically enslaved the Orcs for a while. Besides your sewer home got rekt by your own leader sperglord zombie leader.
knotty ermine
Show me on the doll where Sylvannas hurt you
modern brook
why the fuck am i being @'d on something from an hour ago?
chilly brook
Wadu hek
ember arrow
what
uneven mason
wtf
chilly brook
You enslaved our orcs after invading orgrimmar when?
chilly brook
@weak zephyr
grim prism
@weak zephyr 
ember arrow
zug zug too
modern brook
zugzug'ogar
ember arrow
the appropriate reaction to that post is
grim prism
get zugged on idiot
ember arrow
WOA
chilly brook
And keep in mind you weren’t the only faction to invade orgrimmar....
chilly brook
It was kinda a 2 faction deal
chilly brook
Reeeeeeeeeee
sharp lotus
shut up nerds, furblogs are the best race. The only reason you think otherwise is because you can no longer get the rod of transformation
uneven mason
they didn't fire me again, prot warrior simc to still be broken
chilly brook
At least when sylvanas trashed the undercity it crippled the opposing army, it’s almost like it was on purpose and planned
Anyways I’m done now
👏🏻👏🏻
Lemme get some memes
uneven mason
🐻
chilly brook
Meme 👏🏻 review 👏🏻
chilly brook
It’s basically Friday for me
modern brook
"and den duh big boat from the ocean comes out of duh sky and bewm blasts the horde walls" - a faction who somehow believes they're not mary sues
sharp lotus
sal doesnt know who i am
uneven mason
I mean't dogc's use of Mary Sue
chilly brook
It’s not undeserved
knotty ermine
/Sylvanas explodes out of the top of the throne room, nearly sealing her victory over the alliance in a sweet little cinematic moment
"hey guys think we should add a hole to the top of the tower, you know, while we're updating the model post-battle?"
"nah, we good fam, no one's gonna notice"
final mist
@chilly brook only when you're being mean to new people.
uneven mason
knotty ermine
Gayfrogs never forget
chilly brook
But like I said it’s not undeserved
chilly brook
I can certainly be a less than nice person
uneven mason
pose the insult in the form of a question?
ember arrow
🍿
uneven mason
"How to get someone to eat shit and think its chocolate frosting for 400 Alex"
grim prism
Tell them it will increase their demo uptime?
chilly brook
I’m just trying to get into character for a warrior
Angry
And short tempered
And yelling
uneven mason
I know
it worked
acclimation
I stopped tanking for like the last month of live
so I could detox myself from that 4/2p rage flood
chilly brook
Bro
I loved the 4 piece
😭
Bring 👏🏻 it👏🏻 back 👏🏻
If it replaced bloodsport I’d be ecstatic
grim prism
Im just glad I stopped playing before 7.3 so I'm not hung up on IP changes like you idiots
chilly brook
Personally the IP change doesn’t matter to me
It just needs to last a little longer in a fight
uneven mason
The buff from the 4p T20 was literally called Protection Rage
old dawn
the IP change doesn't matter much to me either
junior ivy
grim prism
I get Protection Rage evey time I log in
junior ivy
i love the dark iron mount !!
uneven mason
The molten Corgi all growed up
chilly brook
I love dark iron in general
odd ridge
I like how it's able to carry its food around on its back for later
knotty ermine
Aww, your corehound mount has only one head
chilly brook
#notashamedtoadmitashorde
knotty ermine
bless your heart
uneven mason
I have all the corehound mounts
the Corehound battle pet + corehound hunter pet + corehound mount is what my Darkiron hunter is trucking at the moment
sharp lotus
was i the only one who didnt like t21 2 piece?
uneven mason
Yes
knotty ermine
Dark Iron showing up is the first time I've ever remotely considered rolling an alliance alt
chilly brook
Meh t21 2 piece was fun
sharp lotus
i mean i used it, but i wasnt a fan
chilly brook
But it wore out for me
chilly brook
Then again my warrior was just an alt for me
And I was all about them t21 bonuses for BrM amirite?
uneven mason
also - irritated, first warrior I did the mage tower at 900 with shit legos and only 2p T20..
other 2 warriors had 2p T21 with bracers
chilly brook
Bro mage tower was a pita for warrior
uneven mason
was like night and day
chilly brook
Did it at like 911 or something like that without any tier
uneven mason
it was so easy with 2p
chilly brook
40 wipes later
uneven mason
you could basically just truck the inquis
sharp lotus
i dont recall what my ilvl was, i jsut rememebr using the heirloom trinket
chilly brook
Well with 2p anything was like “lul”
uneven mason
that shield slam spam + the huge IPs during it
took I think only 2 rounds of going in
I forgot to use drums he died so fast
the first time i Killed him I was caught off guard and SPell reflect wasn't up for the debuff lol
but I had like 1 infernal
sharp lotus
oh yeah
chilly brook
I had some warlock whine at me in legion when I was on my prot warrior because I was doing a world quest that happened to be the free for all pvp one and he was horde as well, I left him alone but he attacked me so I killed him then he did it again and so he died again. He blew up my whispers for the next 10 minutes telling me how bad I was and how I’m scum for playing prot warrior etc
Those were the good days
sharp lotus
yeah i tried to roll arms for those but my gear was way too shit. I bit the bullet and followed the same mentality of swing second.
chilly brook
Literally never got me below 98% 😂
solid mist
so for unblockable big hits, like essence sheer. it's all about DS + SR + IP right? Delaying DS for big hits is the right call for unblockable timed things right?
chilly brook
I mean...
sharp lotus
and play prot. the best is when you would chain people out with victory rush and just reset your health 1v4
uneven mason
@chilly brook I went into the Blackrook arena to get my 20 completions there, ended up running into a disc priest
chilly brook
Oof
uneven mason
spent 30minutes trying to kill eachother
we ripped anyone else who showed up apart
but yeah so many people waiting to do their quest and theres the prot war and disc priest not leaving
was kind've trolling level after a bit
sharp lotus
a rogue would catch me offguard with that cloak and shoulders legendary combo tho every now and then
uneven mason
like, they wouldn't come down so they could die, and we couldn't kill eachother, so no one was winning
chilly brook
I miss being an unkillable meme in world pvp
uneven mason
yeahh f Legion prot f MoP Arms
"lol 25% health boys, hope you got some burst in that bucket"
sharp lotus
mop arms was so fun oh shit i miss second wind
chilly brook
But Arms in Arena rn is 😍😍😍😍
sharp lotus
shattering throw
noble solar
jesus why prot is so bad?
any thing im doing, M+ / heroic uldir
is just so much harder
prisma crane
gonna have to elaborate
noble solar
and shittier
next glade
We crying about prot? Im in
prisma crane
cuz we're not bad, but it is more difficult
chilly brook
@noble solar I don’t know man prot is just a shit tier tank
next glade
I cant ignore this pain tho
sharp lotus
i feel like its just so much different from legion that there are a million habits we need to break and an approach we have to adjust
chilly brook
You might wanna reroll
sharp lotus
at least for me, i keep catching myself throwing a shield block up during last stand every now and then as well as not demo shouting enough
noble solar
NH tier was the shittiest time ive had
chilly brook
@uneven mason I was just trying a different route and agreeing with them instead of arguing that prot is fine
Figured it’d be easier
uneven mason
But at least introduce him to the lesson before you're all like "dogshit tier tank, go be depressed, learn from your demoralization"
noble solar
the besy way to know if the pug you join is good is by seeing if they inv you, if they inv you they are shit and you shouldnt be there at all
if they dont, you know they are good, but fuck you
next glade
Hahaha yeah but it has some easy quality of life fixes with the GCD
sharp lotus
lol @noble solar
chilly brook
In the wise words of someone else in this channel
TL:DR to hopefully dodge the daily debate is that all other tanks require far less skill to have a similar efficacy. The floor is also far higher for ProtW, which means that mistakes made by prot warriors can result in being absolutely shat upon, and other tanks have built in forgiveness to their spec that makes up for either poor play or shortcomings. All that being said, if played at a similar high-level, the difference in tanks is actually not bad.
zealous ingot
I just got benched at Zek'voz cause my guildleaders think Protwarri is shit...
Feels bad man
chilly brook
How do you get benched on Zek?
sharp lotus
kill your replacement tank irl
chilly brook
I take the full combo and don’t drop below 70%
next glade
Lool, yeah the bad name hurts in pugs too
zealous ingot
they said its not my performance, just my class
next sable
I fail to believe this stuff actually happens
zealous ingot
took less damage then monk
next sable
I just did Zek last night with a monk and we were fine lol
noble solar
when i lead a pug i never let any shaman dps in, or feral dps in, why would they let me?
stark sage
were you causing wipes due to unnecessary deaths @zealous ingot ?
next glade
Fake news
stark sage
then your raid leader is retarded
sharp lotus
wait what
noble solar
guys, shaman community were crying non stop, top posts in reddit , their GM quite, but we
uneven mason
@zealous ingot Prot warrior takes like, the least amount of damage from combo? the fuck?
noble solar
we dont say nothing
zealous ingot
yeah I know
noble solar
we need more noise!
zealous ingot
nailed the comp
wary magnet
How does block work? Do i block the amount that is on my shield? I have a ilvl 350 shield, and there is 4075block, does that mean i block 4075 damage from an attack when i block and double the amount when i crit block?
next glade
Coz we're used to tank the damage (¿?)
chilly brook
@noble solar alright you got any logs so I can stop mending and actually try to help you out?
keen spire
blocks a percentage of the damage incoming
uneven mason
@wary magnet
keen spire
@wary magnet
sharp lotus
you can see your block % if you hover over block in your char menu, crit block value is double that
uneven mason
@noble solar We're not bad off enough to require crying on the forums, also, posting on the forums is an invitation to get cancer
anal cancer
next glade
Woah buddy chill
uneven mason
I'm just saying
wary magnet
@sharp lotus https://imgur.com/a/MOvi5ue
uneven mason
the Bnet forums is a terminal illness
UI error, the decimal is in the wrong place
40.75%
uneven mason
I'd think so
sharp lotus
looks fine to me
uneven mason
otherwise we'd just take 1
I Mean, if you line up CDs right it feels like that anyway
sharp lotus
post that image whenever you see a prot warrior buff thread on wow warrior forums
uneven mason
TFW you take Zek's combo and eat 4500 total damage - VDH takes it and eats 80% of their health
keen spire
Yeah - man - when I was getting hit with Thrash last night, I was taking like 100 damage. It was gnarly. SB, DS, IP... godmode.. lol
stray atlas
How are you guys taking so little damage on zek's combo withoutcds?
grim prism
Then all your CDs were down and you got gibbed?
chilly brook
100? Lul
keen spire
Nah dude I didn't get gibbed at all
keen spire
More like 10% tbh
uneven mason
ALso TFW you mis time your CDs and eat a full might of the void and take 90% Of your health throught last stand
keen spire
100 damage was hyperbolic
wary magnet
@sharp lotus does that mean i have a 25,49% chance to block 4075dmg or , does this mean i have a 25,49% chance to blcok 40,75% dmg like @uneven mason said
grim prism
Well we are certainly NEVER hyperbolic in this channel
uneven mason
you have a 25.49% chance to block 40.75% of the damage (81.5 on a crit)
keen spire
my bad bro
chilly brook
@stray atlas 40k+ IP; SB the shatter and then IP+SR the third hit
keen spire
I'll be sure to be exact from now on
noble solar
(shrine of storms)
keen spire
😃
sharp lotus
@wary magnet @uneven mason is correct, i was just messing around. Im sorry that wasnt clear
grim prism
@noble solar shrine sucks in general tbh, the bosses are harder than trash imo but its still rough
chilly brook
I wish I had 300k health
uneven mason
which is based on the armor value of your shield (I think)
noble solar
did +7 with a 4k dps boomkin (i swear)
chilly brook
Because I certainly am not taking 20k hits from fetid
keen spire
boomies are in a bad spot right now
grim prism
Havent done it on teeming but damn thats gonns be obnoxious with the tenders and snakes
chilly brook
More like 30k on the low end
noble solar
uneven mason
keep in mind, Fetid scales with raid size still
just not as bad as before
so if you havea full 30man
he still hurts on HC
at 20man tho
grim prism
Boomied are in a bad spot but not 4k bad lol
uneven mason
his damage is pretty "meh"
noble solar
that is overall, on bosses he did 4k
grim prism
Thats horrible dude
stray atlas
when we are talking fetid dmage do you mean mting him or being the soak?
sharp lotus
boomies are bad?
uneven mason
either
grim prism
ST is what boomie "excels" at right now
grim prism
@sharp lotus good utility but they have the same problem as every other multidot class in thr game right nkw
Which is that they fucking suck at aoe somehow
noble solar
guys how do we handle IP? i never realy get when to use it, guides say when you have access rage and needs healing, but i use it and i keep getting destroyed like it doesnt exist
chilly brook
I mean that’s the point
grim prism
Itll get chunked off quickly but you need to kesp it up @noble solar
chilly brook
You use it and it absorbs damage
grim prism
Its your only consistent rage spender with how often rev procs free
TLDR if you dont have IP up, cast IP
Lol
chilly brook
If you have logs it’d be a lot easier to give you advice
sweet orchid
Try to keep IP and SB going concurrently
noble solar
casting it within GCD feels just so so bad
sharp lotus
doesnt Bloodsport also stack?
uneven mason
Well, use IP when you have mechanics
noble solar
literaly every time i use it my body hurts
chilly brook
Yes @sharp lotus
uneven mason
in theory you want to always have 40 rage for a mechanic
noble solar
im not joking
uneven mason
If you don't like how prot plays
grim prism
Well its advancing your anger management
wary magnet
@sharp lotus @uneven mason thank you guys
grim prism
So you might want to keep casting it
noble solar
cant, im a warrrior, im supposed to hate my class but carry on
uneven mason
Right Balsaq but you also don't lose any advancement on AM unless 1. a CD is not cooling down and 2. You're capping rage
the rage you spend does not matter when you spend it as long as you are not over cap
noble solar
like i did since tbc
sharp lotus
they hate their class the least
chilly brook
That’s kinda asinine logic
sharp lotus
i was joking
old dawn
i love me some warrior
uneven mason
if you wanna philosophy it
old dawn
i really enjoy how it plays
chilly brook
“I don’t like this class but I love it so much that I have to play it even though there’s nothing about it that I enjoy”
I wasn’t talking about you guys lol
uneven mason
Love hate relationship
old dawn
hate/hate relationship it sounds like
chilly brook
^
old dawn
uneven mason
Yeah
chilly brook
TBH I really enjoy current prot warrior
uneven mason
SAME
chilly brook
including IP being on the gcd
noble solar
fun fact -> i didnt do end game in vanilla because it took me 1.5 years to level my war to level 55, and only in the prepatch of tbc i got to 60, wars were shit to level and i was shittier , just like now
FUCK
noble solar
not to 13 years old me
sharp lotus
warriors were hard to level up to lvl 30 or 40
brave jetty
Warriors were notoriously hard to level up until like near the end and with pretty specific builds
uneven mason
I had a pal who had blitzed to 60 fast
he got me my WW axe
as soon as I dinged 30
Professional facemelter
But I dunno I guess I came from EQ
brave jetty
everyone just thinks they were always leveling machines because of that famous video that showed they could actually kill stuff
chilly brook
Do I go to class or nah?
uneven mason
leveling in wow felt like going downhill on a astroglide slide
digital arrow
nah griff nah
sharp lotus
@brave jetty what?
chilly brook
I wanna say nah
uneven mason
Warriors were gear dependant
but coming from EQ
a game where warriors could literally not solo
chilly brook
But it’s a once a week class and I get to fool around with actual studio equipment
digital arrow
that sounds like fun actually
sharp lotus
warriors were a slot machine in vanilla for MS at least.
chilly brook
@digital arrow well the class is like learning how to raid lead in real life for live television
digital arrow
lol thats a useful skill
obsidian siren
hey boys, wondering, the first time you killed HC ghuun, how many adds did you do before triggering the matrix? 2? 3? 4?
digital arrow
reminds me of success stories of people who put raid leading on their resumes
chilly brook
Aka “hey you’re the director, you tell everyone what to do and what shots you want and then you make all the calls while it’s being shot”
Lol for real?
digital arrow
how to deal with people not pulling their weight on your team
sharp lotus
there was only one story i heard of it working
digital arrow
teaches you how to mediate conflicts and constructive criticism/professional confrontation i guess
chilly brook
To be honest if you’re good with words you can make almost anything sound relevant to the job
digital arrow
yeah its all about breaking the resume norms these days and making something truly creative
brave jetty
I don't care how credible experience it is, it's extremely cringey to put it on your resume lol
grim prism
But if youre applying for a technical role, they'll probably not mind lol
digital arrow
perhaps ur lucky and ur recruiting manager plays mmorpg's too
and hes like YEAH THIS IS THE GUY WE WANT
PLAYS PROT WAR
digital arrow
LMAO
brave jetty
looool
grim prism
"Ordinarily we would drug test, but you said you mained prot so we'll just give you a waiver"
keen spire
lol
brave jetty
Link relevant employment achievement
keen spire
LOL
brave jetty
Ahead of the Curve: Arby's
digital arrow
"huh this guy plays prot war, he likes to challenge himself. this is the guy we need"
grim prism
Its just fine
brave jetty
It's not in many ways but the game is still very enjoyable
digital arrow
i took a break after WotLK and playing ffxiv made me miss a lot of things about wow
grim prism
Maybe I had unrealistic expectations
digital arrow
im probably amazed by any little thing
keen spire
After Legion, I think we all had some unrealistic expectations
brave jetty
The zones/content/visuals/quests/dungeons are all pretty excellent
grim prism
Im pretty amazed by the Azerite loot tables :rage
brave jetty
The core new features of the expansion are IMO a titanic failure so far
brave jetty
So everything they could have added to the game with a content patch is great
grim prism
But the core progression mechanics are allcaps AWFUL
brave jetty
Everything else that we buy expansions for sucks
chilly brook
Well 8.1 will be the true measure of whether it’s gonna be a good xpac or not
keen spire
I have dangerously high hopes for 8.1
grim prism
Either you bought the 6mo for the spookyboat or you're unsubbing
digital arrow
lol spookyboat
final cedar
8.1 Shield Block is now on the global cooldown!
keen spire
spookyboat needs to float
digital arrow
yeah that makes no sense
brave jetty
spookyboat is already like my least favorite mount ever
grim prism
I was gonna laugh my ass off if it were a water mount like the skimmer
brave jetty
People are being so obnoxious with it
keen spire
cue the pay-to-win fucks
grim prism
Add it to the list next to the pterrordax that cant fly
keen spire
It should have been able to move across water like the waterstrider
and yeah the pterrordax that can't fly is stupid
grim prism
Its not his fault 😥
blissful imp
What's stupid is you spend 15 flying his ass back up to the roost and then they say "oh, well I guess he'll never fly! Oh well". Biiitch! I just flew his ass up here, what the fuuuck?
knotty ermine
putting raid/guild leading onto your resume is ezpz, just talk about how you manage/lead an online community of x members for so many years, and the group you were responsible for achieved and maintained a position in the top 5% or your server, among all participants, whatever the case may be. Funny enough in my interview for the company I work for now (been here 6 years), I spent more time talking about that than anything else. The interviewer was super intrigued, I guess he wasn't really into vidyagames but also wasn't one of those "grown men shouldn't play children's games" types.
Like @chilly brook said though, it's all about how you present it, which is really all resume's are anyway.
One of your guildies paid for your webpage? I thnk you mean "earned paid sponsorships as a result of the community's achievements"
upbeat folio
The skills do trascend.
knotty ermine
Yeep
upbeat folio
I led a top 200 guild for four years before entering the job market. I now manage a 5 million F&B operation in luxury hotel. There were some steps between the two, but there's definitely a case to be made.
warm axle
wats the best set of azerite gear and traits now? the uldir azerite gears do not seem to have deafening crash at all....
grim prism
Resumes are an exercise in bullshit, and executives love people who can bullshit on their feet
upbeat folio
@grim prism This is true and tragic.
magic sonnet
Hi guys! I feel like when i play prot , either i receive no dmg , either i become a dps , and that happens when i dont have shield block up , can someone give me some tips to waht should i do to receive less dps in these moments?
upbeat folio
Between shield block charges, use your other cooldowns to help smooth out the damage coming your way.
tawny lantern
upbeat folio
Last stand and shield wall definitely help to bridge those gaps in high damage scenarios. Ignore pain is also there to bridge the gap.
knotty ermine
Don't cast shield block during last stand
tacit apex
Thought I’d drop in here and see how Prot is doing in M+ this expansion
digital arrow
its doing great
tacit apex
May level my warrior. I miss my mobility
vale basalt
digital arrow
the mobility is really fun and a big pro for me
dull granite
Great maybe a bit of an overstatement. Better than legion for sure though.
knotty ermine
Said he misses mobility
Probably doesn't want to play ol cement-block shoes DK
lmao
digital arrow
lmao
tacit apex
Ignore pain seems really meh... was just looking at my warriors spell book. Does it get better at max with gear?
grim prism
@tacit apex its hard but its fun
IP feels like shit at any ilvl currently
But its required to advance AM
tacit apex
Sad panda
grim prism
And it does its job
knotty ermine
Look at ignore pain as a tool whose primary use is for smoothing damage, not outright preventing it.
digital arrow
"aw fuck i did revenge instead of ip. im gonna die"
young harbor
lol
grim prism
IP is supplemental damage reduction, not an active mitigator
(Although youre going to cast a fuckload of IPs anyway)
digital arrow
you guys have said in some cases ip over shield block is better when ur anticipating a spike of magic damage
sand seal
when will they just bake IP into another ability it's so boring to use
welp been a few seconds time to press this button again
tacit apex
Lol
digital arrow
more like its been a few seconds, time to make The Choice
tacit apex
Do multiple IPs still stack?
steel mauve
To a cap
onyx sun
So generally I shield block til it’s out, shield block again, then IP til another shield block comes up?
steel mauve
I suggest the ip weakaura in this discord
It tells you when its at the cap, when another ip will not be used to its full effect per rage, and when another ip wont cap it out
tacit apex
I hate being so reliant on healers now.... I need to find good healers and make friends I guess
dull granite
Thoughts: IP is now only magic+physical bleed dmg reduction, shield amount reduced by 50%. Rage cost reduced by 25%. Off GCD. Shield block cd lowered to compensate
also rage cap inscreased from 100 to 150
steel mauve
The absorb cap and the amount you get per rage is already too small, reducing it would kill it off
young harbor
make it a passive shield on revenge use
dull granite
yea but thats offset by it being off of gcd an allowing you to build rage at same time of using it
dull granite
values maybe different. also maybe the max it can shield should be increased but per cast should be nerfed if its gonna be off of gcd
steel mauve
You wouldnt be able to hit it enough to gain the absorb you would need then, it still has its own gcd it would be on that limits it
dull granite
Just in theory I feel like I'd settle of a "nerf" just for it to be off of gcd
dull granite
I feel like I cant hit it enough to get the absorb I need now anyways.
prisma crane
that wont change even if it's off GCD
steel mauve
Whoch reducing its absorb amount and even the cost would further destroy it if it cant be gained enough right now
knotty ermine
GCD change would fix approximately zero of the issues with IP, currently.
dull granite
Yea if bliz is afraid of it being too strong id rather it not be impactful off of gcd instead of making me waste one for it.
knotty ermine
Would change the feelies of IP, and that's it.
dull granite
thats the main issue imo
young harbor
i think the main issue is that is sucks farts from dead seagulls right now
you are blasting rage on it and its gone before you blink
knotty ermine
Timeline would go something like this:
Blizzard announces IP being removed from GCD in upcoming hotfix
Warriors Rejoice
1 week later....
Wait why does IP not feel like it's doing much for me, BLIZZ EXPLAIN
grim prism
@onyx sun shield block, shield block, last stand, shield block etc... while casting IPs the whole time
knotty ermine
Hate to white knight blizz here, but to use their own phrase "you think you want that, but you don't"
elfin apex
I want to play Prot warrior, is it viable?
grim prism
IP off-global just means more devastates. Wont fix the problem with it feeling bad
knotty ermine
Short answer? Yes
grim prism
@elfin apex yes
knotty ermine
Long answer? Yeeeeeeeeeeees.
knotty ermine
Devastate is the second most underwhelming ability that prot uses, right after IP
So that's going to feel great being able to use more of those
sand seal
what if they gave you a damaging ability that put a stack of IP up and you had to just manage those stacks
grim prism
Prot could benefit from some tuning, but frankly if you have to ask then you aren't playing at a level where it would matter
elfin apex
Well i'm raiding mythic as a hunter because all of my guild won't take a prot warrior
chilly brook
IP off GCD would do absolutely nothing except for maybe free up one or two globals for rage generation
grim prism
Yeah there is some gnarly stigma against prot right now
chilly brook
It does not impact the effectiveness of the ability
grim prism
Typical WoW bandwagoning
knotty ermine
Rage cost of IP remains unchange, ramp to full absorb remains unchanged, total amount absorbed remains unchanged, but they took it off GCD. That would be one of the most disappointing patch notes to read, imo.
young harbor
@sand seal that was what i was getting at with my revenge comment
sick sentinel
I think we can all agree that current IP is ass
grim prism
There is a little bit of truth that it is based upon, but it is waaaaaaaay overstated
chilly brook
It just doesn’t last very long
grim prism
Sometimes it lasts TOO long and youre wasting casts just to keep from ragecapping
dull granite
I'd be thrilled. I think you guys are understimating the value of a free gcd.
digital arrow
remember when there was a stigma against warriors when wow first came out
then that one guy found a way to show how OP warriors were and they got nerfed
grim prism
@dull granite what would you use that global for? Both your builders are ICD-gated, and your only other spender is ICD-gated with a proc that makes it not even a spender
chilly brook
TBH you’re probably best off holding IP until you know a high damage ability is about to hit
grim prism
And all your defensive CDs are off-global anyhow so thats moot
chilly brook
Unless you need to dump rage
elfin apex
does raidbots sim well for prot warrior?
dull granite
Revenge/shield slam.
knotty ermine
Max absorb from a single cast would feel far more impactful, and make The Choice® actually feel good to make. Would also free up a couple of GCDs for damage output/rage generation before it gets immediately chewed off again. Or, increase the total amount, so that it doesn't feel like you're adding a few sheets of cardboard to your iron shield each time you cast it
grim prism
No
grim prism
Raidbots is just SimC in a browser, and our SimC module is broken
elfin apex
Surely i can sim trinkets and azerite traits and talents?
prisma crane
off GCD IP would leave potential for more rage gain (marginal imo) and slightly buff AM in some scenarios since it'd be a lot easier to rage dump, but it still wont fix how useless it is
digital arrow
the prot war hate makes me spam ip more than i should so that healers come out saying oh they dont take much damage. im trying to put in a good name for us
chilly brook
No
grim prism
Surely you cannot @elfin apex
elfin apex
other tanks can though?
grim prism
You can try but it will give you bullshit numbers
Yep, prot is the only spec in the game without a working SimC module
sick sentinel
because other tanks are more popular 
elfin apex
what the fuck..
grim prism
Code is borked on the backend
elfin apex
What kind of bullshit is that
prisma crane
we dont function the same as other tanks, so the backend isnt there to support the sim maths
grim prism
It's been open-source this whole time; it is bullshit of our own making
digital arrow
also lol @ few sheets of cardboard
chilly brook
@elfin apex feel free to fix it yourself
grim prism
It has nothing to do with us functioning differently than other tanks
We just arent implemented
young harbor
i feel like we had this conversation recently
prisma crane
and tbh simming a tank does nothing for "tanking" per se
undone sun
young harbor
lol
grim prism
We have this converation every day lol
digital arrow
change channel name to groundhog day
young harbor
hahaha
undone sun
Tell me about it...
prisma crane
no, sal even mentioned that writing the sim profile isn't difficult, it's that we're missing something on the SimC side of things
knotty ermine
@prisma crane give an example of how coming off the GCD gives an impactful opportunity for more rage gain, outside a small handful of freed up globals throughout an encounter.
undone sun
Yeah the APL is the easy part
prisma crane
that's exactly what i said it was
elfin apex
So where are you guys getting your azerite traits and trinket weights from?