protection

[sick sentinel]

People will still hate and trash him

[young harbor]

sco who

[jagged pier]

just a quick question is the thunderclap trait worth to keep at 340 if i got a 370

raid trait

[grim prism]

Yup

[jagged pier]

thought so

[vagrant cape]

yeppers

[sick sentinel]

You gotta have the clap trait

[grim prism]

Congrats on your +30 ilvl downgrade

[jagged pier]

i have 2 raid pieces

[vagrant cape]

#BringBackReforging

[jagged pier]

so its fine

[sick sentinel]

Yes.

Let us reroll the outer ring

[vagrant cape]

I'd love it if I could randomly reroll the traits on an azerite piece once a week or something

bring it to magni and have him toss it into an azerite vent or some shit and be like "welp, let's see what this does"

[sick sentinel]

Makes too much sense

[vagrant cape]

you're right. it should be a microtransaction-only thing

fixed

$10 to reroll a whole item, $15 for one ring

save money by rerolling in bulk

[grim prism]

Maybe thats why they are adding more traits instead of fixing the imbalanced ones

To pad chances for when people start MTXing rerolls

[wide juniper]

They also said they are reworking

[grim prism]

They always say they are looking into rebalancing things lol

[wide juniper]

Okay

You do you.

[chilly brook]

When blizz cripples your competition in the world first race

😂

[wide juniper]

Wut?

[formal kayak]

hi

whats the article again that shows how ilvl > traits for protection?

a friend is insisting that their 325 shoulders will help them being alive better than the 340 uldir ones

[grim prism]

Its in the pins, but basically its ilvl > all assuming you keep one Deafening Crash trait

We dont have sims but it's pretty unnecessary im this case. DC literally quintuples our demo shout uptime

15 ilvl isnt going to make up that difference regardless of what traits come with it

[formal kayak]

oh so the icyveins guide

got it

thanks

[grim prism]

So if that shoulder piece has deafening crash on it, your friend is right

Otherwise he's probably wrong lol

[formal kayak]

oh I noticed something

the icyveins guide says this

nvm

misread.

well, they have deafening crash on their 325 XD

so the 340 uldir one is still a downgrade?

[coral ocean]

And that’s why they’re keeping the 325.

[grim prism]

Yeah

[coral ocean]

Yes, they need the DC.

[grim prism]

Deafening crash is worth hella levels

[sick sentinel]

I’m on mobile- what’s the emote called with the cat looking surprised in here called?

[grim prism]

Demo shout is a 25% damage reduction on enemies and DC extends the uptime from ~15% to up to 75% @formal kayak

[steel mauve]

DC is worth at least 25 ilvls, and the general consensus is to keep it over +30 ilvl pieces

[grim prism]

Its pretty stupid overtuned

And definitely mandatory for prot

[coral ocean]

I have shoulder “iLvl upgrades” that I can’t use bc I need DC.

[formal kayak]

thanks guys

[coral ocean]

Sure thing!

[prisma crane]

@chilly brook im a big fan of hte G600 as well

just replaced my first one, lasted about 3-4 yrs

[junior ivy]

is that a mouse

[prisma crane]

yea

[chilly brook]

@wide juniper basically the vantus rune nerf and this severely hurt Limit’s progression on g’huun

They tweeted a picture of their logs like 9 hours ago

[wide juniper]

Perhaps Limit should have just re-cleared

[old night]

I saw the defensive trinket list but which damage trinkets are worth picking up? I got that disc of systematic regression one last night in raid, seems fine

also I saw that fathoms was mentioned in the trinket guide. Is it actually worth it to pick one up?

[prisma crane]

for dmg, yes

[rose summit]

I knew a tank that got it just because of primary stat

and had shit trinkets other than it

[old night]

i have a blockades rn

[grim prism]

@old night i mean if youre picking up 370+ trinks then the DMD is going to start to lag behind

We dont have any way of simming to verify the exact cutoff right now

[old night]

yeah that was the only concern I had

I have blockades and the disc of systematic running together

[grim prism]

But str converts to armor (as well as increasing IP) so eventually even a big stat stick is gonna outperform it at some point

Lot of feelycrafting involved right now tbqh

[old night]

I also have my eyes on syringe from vectis

[boreal depot]

doing mythrax right now, should I wear 2 Archive 1 Deaf or 1 Archive 1 Deaf 1 Brace

[prisma crane]

idk, but if one option has lower ilvl, go with the higher one.

[sick sentinel]

is it possible to swap at 1 stack on vectis?

[prisma crane]

i feel like it is, but im not sure

[sick sentinel]

so we swap at 2 or at 1?

[prisma crane]

2 is usual

[winter skiff]

Fortifide is really hard

Struggling on mythic 5 when i can do mythic 7 no problem last weej

[grim prism]

Trash is harder than last expac. Fort and teeming doubledips on the already-increased shittiness

I'm glad trash requires brain cells now, but man it's made pugging a nightmare

[winter skiff]

Yeah i guess i need to cc some ppl

[prisma crane]

having 100 mandatory interruptable casts =/= engaging

[young harbor]

dont worry about pugging man, you wont get into a group any way

"prot war? NOPE"

[grim prism]

Kappa

[sick sentinel]

never had issue as prot warr.

[waxen cradle]

Well what do you know on Alliance side a emissary shield reward finally popped up its a 340 but a shield nonetheless, Warriors must be shitting themselves

[sick sentinel]

just kick your DPS ass to use their interrupts/stuns intelligently like you your own.

[grim prism]

I've had a couple shitty whispers from pug groups I app to

[sick sentinel]

and/or CC the casters if you're a PUSSY

[grim prism]

I consider it a bullet dodged

[young harbor]

yeah, me too

[sick sentinel]

holy fucking shit

[grim prism]

I'm all for being toxic but at least wait until the run starts, yaknow?

[waxen cradle]

So all BS pushed aside where do we stand this week in M+ provided we need to pug for a +10 ...go dps ?

[grim prism]

Dont decline me and angrywhisper me, there's no onus for me to feel bad about it. It's amateur-grade toxicity

[winter skiff]

Yeah guess i gotta kite and cc some adds

Just can take then head on

Like before

[grim prism]

@waxen cradle provided you need to pug a +10, better hope youve been btagging good pugs for the past two weeks

Because this week is gonna suck shit if youre just grabbing randies

Ive been eating SO MANY QUAKES

[waxen cradle]

@grim prism no joke it seems that could be the case

[young harbor]

yeah quake has been molesting me

not sure if its my blockades, but the dmg it does is jumping from like 30-45k

i assume its % based

[waxen cradle]

Well I am always for a little molesting... WAIT what ?

[prisma crane]

it is

[waxen cradle]

That came out wrong

[grim prism]

😬

You should roll priesr

[young harbor]

at least drive a van with a tear-drop window

[waxen cradle]

I mean me getting molesting

I mean... WAIT what ?

Jk just playing into the pain that would be us tanking M+ this week in pugs

[grim prism]

ignore pain

Ignore👏That👏Pain big dawg

[waxen cradle]

Just kidding, but seriously I mean at least we got a infinitely vague class updates statement from the lastest Ion rant of BS

[grim prism]

Thats more feedback than prot got all last expansion

And it wasnt even about us

Lol

[waxen cradle]

Which if I was a betting man and I am will mean our 1 go to trait will get nerfed and the others which are less then game changing will be ignored

[grim prism]

They cant nerf DC without reworking prot imo

Its the only reason we are even viable

[tribal shale]

does someone uses ERT addon for raid cooldowns?

[grim prism]

@tribal shale i used to, yeah

Its gud

[tribal shale]

how do i setup in a way that it show repeated abilities

like if there are 2 warriors

it's only showing 1 pummel

[waxen cradle]

This is true but they did say something along the lines of nerf the traits that are too stronk or and bring up the others which brings the pessimist in me to think we lose more then we gain

[grim prism]

Afaik it should show everything, but frankly I've only used it for external defensives so I'm not sure

[tribal shale]

yeah externals are bugged too for me

it's showing that a boomkin has ironbark

[grim prism]

Maybe try updating it

[tribal shale]

it's already updated

:/

[grim prism]

Ironbark or barkskin?

[tribal shale]

ironbark

[grim prism]

😬

I dont know what to tell you other than yes, that is broken lol

Sorry buddy

[tribal shale]

i tried using that Tehr weakaura

but when i import it my game simply freezes

i cant even move the weakaura :/

[grim prism]

Maybe it's conflicting with some other addon

[dusk locust]

the latest tehr is bugged i think. on wago.io he has a link to his pastebin

b/c he's having an issue uploading to wago

the pastebin one is working for me but the wago.io one did not

[lusty grotto]

hmm i've been wondering, for m+ logs i should def include trash fights, right?

[tribal shale]

ty @dusk locust, i'll check that out

[lusty grotto]

hmm

nvm that stupid slider is to show them as separate from encounters

[sharp raptor]

Quick question guys: for fetid does prot warrior do better as main tank or off-tank?

[grim prism]

@lusty grotto i mean the log is going to include trash anyway

But yes you should definitely log trash

[lusty grotto]

yeah i was just confused

[grim prism]

Considering its like 80% of the dungeon

Just kind of a pain to pinpoint exact timeframes

But still very important data

[uneven mason]

Log trash - so you can dock people who stealth afk during it their DKP

OHWAIT personalooot

[grim prism]

ITS

JUST

LOOT

[lusty grotto]

was running the split thing since i had runs from the end of legion and noticed the include trash fights button, but that's just in there to list trash as separate encounters

[grim prism]

Ah, yeah thats honestly almost worse lol

[lusty grotto]

purged it all after i uploaded my last m+ runs

[uneven mason]

@sharp raptor We do better as both, Fetid is one of the fights that we're just god level at, all the dangerous shit is physical, and 95% of it is blockable, and there are no times when you'll have gaps in your block uptime (at least on HC)

[sharp raptor]

really? my warrior co-tank struggles, but I'm not sure if it's him or healers just not healing properly (it's oftne the latter)

[junior ivy]

ok, addon question. is there an addon that lets my have like.. sticky notes in wow?

[uneven mason]

He needs to learn his windows, chances are he's either, using CDs when he doesn't need them, NOT using CDs when he doesn't need them, or just not having the boss in his front arc

[junior ivy]

notes i can chan ge and edit and delete if i want?

[sharp raptor]

he just seems to spike a lot

[uneven mason]

the only time I ever had a problem on Fetid is when I made the mistake of out ranging my healers, and I was able to recover that with my lock cookie no problem

Is he taking Thrash?

[sharp raptor]

we havent' done on mythic, but no I take thrash

brewmaster

[uneven mason]

Ok, chances are he's just not utilizing his SB uptime optimally

I'd have to see logs

[sharp raptor]

yeah it's tricky

when you're tankign though

[grim prism]

@junior ivy angryassignments

[sharp raptor]

do you get a lot of direct heals?

or just AoE + beacon heals?

[junior ivy]

yeah?

but i want them just for me

personal

[uneven mason]

Direct heals

[grim prism]

Umm

[uneven mason]

all tanks need direct heals more or less

[sharp raptor]

from the paladin ikarikaze, or which?

[uneven mason]

from whatever healer is healing me lol

[grim prism]

I would assume you can make personal AAs

[junior ivy]

basically i want to be able to keep track of BIS azerite traits, i ngame

[sharp raptor]

like you have a dedicated tank healer?

[uneven mason]

no

[grim prism]

@sharp raptor do you have logs

[uneven mason]

But we receive more than just splash/beacon

[sharp raptor]

I dunno, I'd have to see, they're private

[uneven mason]

I mean, in general, beacon is about 44% as effective as it was in Legion

[sharp raptor]

it's not htat fight in particular

it's just in general

he dies a lot

[uneven mason]

Warriors are hard to play

[sharp raptor]

but we check logs

[hallow frost]

i cant find a pawn string for protection warriors, can anyone guide me please ?

[sharp raptor]

and he gets very little direct healing

[uneven mason]

an optimally played warrior

[sharp raptor]

but healers argue

and qq

[uneven mason]

lol

They think its legion??

[lusty grotto]

@hallow frost there is none, we don't use it

[uneven mason]

All tanks need direct healing

[sharp raptor]

I wonder if they do?

[uneven mason]

They do

[sharp raptor]

also since Im' brewmaster they have more time to react?

[grim prism]

They do. Lol

[uneven mason]

If you think they don't you're being obtuse

Basically yes

[sharp raptor]

no I mean I wonder if they think it's legion

[uneven mason]

Warriors have a very punishing playstyle

If you make a mistake

[sharp raptor]

warriors basically need a CD up ata ny given time I'm thinking

[uneven mason]

you're probably going to die

[grim prism]

Prot is prone to appearing spiky due to a small healthpool and yes, punishing mistakes

[uneven mason]

the healers have no time to react

[sharp raptor]

right

[grim prism]

Yes, and we can keep CDs up as needed

[uneven mason]

Monks can basically just go WHOOPS I BAD OMNOMNOM LOOKIT THAT PURIFY

[grim prism]

Its just easy to fuck up

[sharp raptor]

well monks you can't really fuck up

unless you purify too much

[uneven mason]

An optimally played warrior will be both easier to heal and take less damage (by a huge amount) than any other tank

[sharp raptor]

that's wht I thought

what with bolster and anger management

[uneven mason]

right, compared to warriors, other tanks are idiot proof

[sharp raptor]

he also is SOOO stuck on dragon's roar

[uneven mason]

gotta git gud to prot (its not as hard as I make it sound)

[grim prism]

LOL

Yeah no

[sharp raptor]

but I'm not sure he he has deafening crash

[grim prism]

He needs UF

[uneven mason]

🤢 Prot without optimal talents

[sharp raptor]

I know

I keep tryign to tell him

[lusty grotto]

direct him to the icy veins guide

[sharp raptor]

he thinks it's good for threat

cause it's up more than avatar

[uneven mason]

Basically tell him to reaed IV

[young harbor]

threat isnt an issue for warriors

[uneven mason]

if he isn't doing the IV guide stuff in a week

[sharp raptor]

it is for him

[uneven mason]

tell your guild to get a new tank

[young harbor]

then he is doing it wrong

[eager hedge]

395 taloc bracers vs 51 haste / 78 vers 🤔

[sharp raptor]

he lost threat in mother yesterday

[grim prism]

Except it really isnt up more, due to anger management

[sharp raptor]

to adds

I know

I try tell him man

the amount of rage you get during avatar window is ludicrous

[uneven mason]

Well its mostly because TC hits for over 25k

during avatar

[grim prism]

Yeah its WAY better than dragon roar

[uneven mason]

with UF

[young harbor]

must be blasting rage ino revenge like a champ

[grim prism]

The rage gen, the damage, the DC interaction

[uneven mason]

But yeah without logs I can't tell you specifically what might be wrong

[grim prism]

Its better in every way

[sharp raptor]

UF + Deafening crash gg

[grim prism]

Yep

[sharp raptor]

now personal question:

[young harbor]

yes, i like pie.

[uneven mason]

but if he's not using UF I can tell you he's probably just really shitty at being prot

[sharp raptor]

devastator or booming voice?

[grim prism]

BV

No question

[dusk locust]

bv

[sharp raptor]

since with booming voice you can basically NEVER use devastate?

and that's not a problem?

[grim prism]

Yeah its like 1 in 8 globals

Its not a problem

[sharp raptor]

cool thx

do you always try line up demo with avator for DPS?

[grim prism]

You are literallt better off running BV and taking devastate off your bars than running devastator

[sharp raptor]

I was running BV for a while

[grim prism]

And yes, both for DPS and the trait interaction

[uneven mason]

BV is superior in all situations

[grim prism]

Ava is exactly double the cooldown of demo

[sharp raptor]

was trying devastator recently and dont' mind it but probably less dps so yeah

[lusty grotto]

uhh demo should be up a lot... its a defensive debuff, it will line up fast with avatar due to e AM

[sharp raptor]

so here's a qustion:

[uneven mason]

its more DPS single target

but a RPS loss

[grim prism]

So it should ALWAYS go ava > demo > clap clap clap clap

[uneven mason]

thus a loss for all aspects of the class

[sharp raptor]

how do you guys line up demo/avatar and shit with GCDs?

like you pop avatar, do you then demo THEN TC, or TC THEN demo?

[grim prism]

See above

[sharp raptor]

ah

sry

[grim prism]

Np

[uneven mason]

you can do it either way

[sharp raptor]

do youever ava >TC > Demo?

[uneven mason]

you don't gain or lose any DS uptime

I do

[grim prism]

False

[sharp raptor]

cause I tried that

and I like it better

cause you generate snap aggro quicker

[grim prism]

You lose DS uptime by popping ava after DS

[uneven mason]

well yeah

[sharp raptor]

oh yeah always ava then DS

just a question of TC before DS or DS then TC

[uneven mason]

I"m saying in the Ava - TC - ds - tc or ava -ds - tc setup

the result is the same

you probably do more damage if you ava - tc - ds

by the end

[sharp raptor]

is the deafening crash trait worht losing ilvl btw? seems like it'sINSANELY strong

[uneven mason]

since you're gaining a TC GCD

[grim prism]

Yes

[uneven mason]

about 2 azerite teirs

so 25~ item levels

[grim prism]

Its worth a fuckload

[sharp raptor]

like heads and tails above anything else

[grim prism]

By far

Everything else is kinda shit

[sharp raptor]

like by the time demo shout wears off it's up again

[uneven mason]

right

that is the goal

[sharp raptor]

he doesn't have it

[grim prism]

Literally yes

[sharp raptor]

like it's SO good

[uneven mason]

@chilly brook DS uptime wat?

[sharp raptor]

alright thanks guys

[uneven mason]

Griff will give you the DL on DS uptime

[grim prism]

Youll have demo up like three globals before it expires

[uneven mason]

Ping him

[sharp raptor]

I'm gonna pointhim here

[grim prism]

!griffsuptime

[uneven mason]

and he'll grant you a wish

[sharp raptor]

point him*

he's super rusty too, like I think last time he played was MoP

but he's a smart guy

and a good player

just out of practice

[grim prism]

At least he missed the IP spamfest that was late legion

[sharp raptor]

lol

[grim prism]

Thats a hard habit to break

[sharp raptor]

I use sco's IP weakaura

not sure if there's a betterone

[prisma crane]

but late legion was amazing

[sharp raptor]

better one*

[fierce juniper]

Ava -> TC -> Demo -> etc results in an extra TC cast at certain haste breakpoints
so you should always do that in AOE

[prisma crane]

so idk if it's a plus to miss it lol, but from a habit perspective yea

[sharp raptor]

I mean I do Ava > TC > Demo cause if I do Ava > Demo > TC that's too much me not doing damage then DPS rips

[prisma crane]

i always cast TC before demo anyways for the threat

[sharp raptor]

anyways I gotta jet, thanks a lot guys!

[prisma crane]

standing still for 2 GCD is just painful

[uneven mason]

And you know that HDH is gonna EYEBURMZ as soon as they're in spitting distance

[neat harbor]

guys how good is archive for prot?

compared to brace for impact

[uneven mason]

[chilly brook]

Hmmm what’d I miss @uneven mason @sharp raptor

[uneven mason]

Demoshout

[chilly brook]

What about it?

[uneven mason]

you dropped to 74% uptime

I no longer want to be your friend.

[chilly brook]

On it was always 74.xx %

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut fractal]

how many ilvls is this worth in order to change it to higher ilvl?

[lusty grotto]

drools

[grim prism]

Wat

[uneven mason]

the socket?

[uncut fractal]

i phrased that wrong.

[uneven mason]

compared to other stats?

wat

[sick sentinel]

It’s like the Beyoncé of rings

[uncut fractal]

@uneven mason if I get a 385 ring, is the one above better or worse

@uneven mason a vers crit for example

[uneven mason]

385 yeah, probably.

crit/mastery, mebbie not

[uncut fractal]

do I 1 socket 1x 40 strength and then all haste?

[uneven mason]

I think just all haste...

survivability wise haste is > str

[uncut fractal]

oh

[lusty grotto]

[mellow bridge]

ya all haste

[grim prism]

The implication here is that you already have another ring over 370

Which angers me slightly

[lusty grotto]

goddamn that is a perfect ring

[mellow bridge]

dude my rings are so lacking too

rings and trinkets are fkin feelsbadman

[chilly brook]

@sharp raptor

[uneven mason]

I got a 385 offa mother lastnight, Crit/haste, beat the 345 I was still truckin.

[uncut fractal]

I need azerite gear & a shield and i'm 370+

but azerite gear is cancer to find

[mellow bridge]

azerite gear is an issue for anyone

got 340 head shoulders..

at least 370 chest

but such is the life of a non-raider

that has to rely on the weekly chest rng lol

[grim prism]

Dont worry, they've pledged to fix their missteps this expac. By giving you Admiral Dickbeard's Not-Flying Airship Or Whatever for free when you buy a six month subscription

[uneven mason]

remember last time they did a 6month sub and get a mount thingy?

when they were hemorrhaging subs at the start of Cataclysm

pepperidge farm remembers.

[mellow bridge]

idk man

just give us a way to farm azerite gear

and I would be happy-ish

this is just stupid

Even for raiders, our best trait is locked behind dungeon only gear

[uneven mason]

yeah

[mellow bridge]

So you have to pray to the weekly to get it at a decent ilvl

[uneven mason]

they'll nerf DC

[mellow bridge]

so stupid

[uneven mason]

will be their fix

[mellow bridge]

Sounds like a good fix

[uneven mason]

rather than I dunno, buff every other trait

[mellow bridge]

Kappa

I mean I understand nerfing it slightly

it's kinda broken

but then some other traits should be buffed which I hope they'll do

[grim prism]

tfw "we will be adjusting outliers on both ends of the spectrum" was the only feedback prot will get this expac

[prisma crane]

oh prot's on a spectrum alright...

[buoyant veldt]

how can they even nerf DC? it's a trait that is either must have or useless

i'd take it if it prolonged DS by 1 sec

[grim prism]

I guess in beta it actually was one second, stacking

Although I guess they realized that having demo extended by three seconds every time you cast an ability with a cooldown shorter than three seconds was a silly idea

[buoyant veldt]

yeah, that's a bit much

[real rover]

I currently have to chose between Archive of the Titans with 3 Stacks (225Haste) Vs Iron Fortress. The Guide says I shall go Brace for Impact until the passive hits 500 Haste but since Iron Fortress is ranked lower than Brace for Impact I don't know at which amount of stacks I should go for the Reorgination Array - someone has knowledge here?

[elder isle]

What would be the best combo with these rings ?

[fierce juniper]

@real rover
It's hard to say exactly, because so much of that is situational, but the 500 Haste thing is a general rule. I mean I can say for sure that you should use IF over 225 haste, but where the breakpoint is exactly where you should switch to the Haste is hard to say. So, just switch around 500.

[buoyant veldt]

i would use middle and left ones

[real rover]

Aight will do - thanks 😃

[elder isle]

yeah , fuck rot-scour one , i would say that too

[buoyant veldt]

perfect secondary stats and a socket, that's hard to trade away for useless crit

and some stamina

maybe use the crit ring for skittish m+ 😃

[steel mauve]

I wouldn't exactly say crit is useless

Its pretty close to mastery and vers

[buoyant veldt]

well, not useless, but i'd take the haste any day

[grim prism]

@elder isle definitely the 370s

And calling crit useless is highly disingenuous; this isnt Legion

[elder isle]

@grim prism okay then , ill try that combo

[inland mesa]

I dunno I upgraded my 340 DC piece to 385 reinforced plating piece and it felt really bad not having a DC trait last night

[grim prism]

Yikes

[buoyant veldt]

what's your reasoning behind picking the 370 crit ring over the 355 haste ring, @grim prism?

pure ilvl?

[elder isle]

I got 385 too today , and i kept my 340 one cuz it was bad 😄

*playing without DC

[inland mesa]

I put it back on for M+ And felt much better honestly

[grim prism]

+15 ilvls of stat budget in an expansion where secondaries are pretty close in relative value, still has haste on it, tertiary stat for flavor

[inland mesa]

It was so rude, it gave me the shoulders with the same icon as c'thraxxi

[steel mauve]

Socket is hard to pass up on the 355 though, and usually a socket is about 10 ilvls, and we can drop ilvls on a ring with out a socket for itemization

[elder isle]

saaaame

[fierce juniper]

@inland mesa Yeah I'm gonna update the guide. It's pretty much never worth dropping DC, even for huge ilvl jumps.

[inland mesa]

For a brief moment I was so excited and then read the name like, what? Noooooo

[grim prism]

Yeah I mean... quintupling your demo uptime is very significant

Probably more than 45 ilvl significant, at a glance

[fierce juniper]

It definitely is, yeah

[inland mesa]

For full heroic and first two mythic last night it felt horrible and those gap windows in mitigation hurt that much more as DS usually overlaps

[steel mauve]

The 355 still has more secondary stats for him than the 370 ring btw

[elder isle]

yeah , ill stick to the 355 and mythrax one

and just farm KR for the ring 😄

[steel mauve]

By about 13 just because of the socket, and its perfectly itemized

[inland mesa]

It was fun being 370 ilvl for a moment, putting shoulders back on drops me 2+ilvl

[grim prism]

Sure, but the 370 also has more stam and a tertiary on it. Chances are you aren't going to notice a difference regardless, but I'd personally use the 370. Especially if it's for M+

[steel mauve]

I did forget about the 40 stam, but i agree, you probably won't notice a difference regardless

[grim prism]

Theyre all pretty close.

[steel mauve]

Unless you have like no haste and jump up that extra 140 or something

[grim prism]

Feelycraft your rings to your heart's content lol

[steel mauve]

Sim i... oh wait

[inland mesa]

I finally got two 370 rings with haste on it, and a cloak last night, I've had no haste on any of my gear for the longest time. Then I got 370 vectus shield >.>

[grim prism]

I have like 20% haste unbuffed

AD farming OP

Downside is im still 355 equipped

[inland mesa]

I think I'm up to 15 now, still nothing on gloves, pants, belts weapon, shield, boots and I feel like I've run 9 to 10 AD now or more at 9 or higher with nothing >.> DH got 385 underrott ring and couldn't trade it and scrapped it, thanks blizz

[pine timber]

Hey guys, 348 Prot Tank here. im thinking about stacking crit and Mastery? is that a good idea. I mostly play with my friends who are Badass healers.

[wide hill]

can somebody tell me why actually prot warriors cant be simed?? didnt found any answers or i googled wrong ... 😦

[steel mauve]

no ones working on it

[open bluff]

^

can't sim if there's nothing to tell simc how to do so

[steel mauve]

the code needs to be worked on and improved by a phycialy human

[grim prism]

@wide hill SimC module for prot war doesnt work

@pine timber why?

[steel mauve]

haste is still better in all situations

[wide hill]

i see, sad story, thank you guys

[grim prism]

Warrior no think only smash

[steel mauve]

^

[grim prism]

@pine timber also, at 348 you should be more worried about adding ilvl than stacking secondaries lol

[errant coral]

are people so mistrusted in prot warriors?

i played dps in heroic today, didnt really enjoy it tbh tanking is what i do best!

[jovial reef]

it's the worst tank in both raids and mythic plus so good players avoid playing it

[errant coral]

not if you know how to play them Vezna

[jovial reef]

so you're left with good players that main warriors since vanilla (like me)

they can work but they are strictly worse than other tanks

[supple solstice]

No, it is he worst. It’s no one’s fault, good or bad.

[errant coral]

everyone i play with in m+ always sais how good my tanking is and im doing high keys around 10

[daring marlin]

340 DC helm 4 lyfe

[supple solstice]

Skill will make up the gap sure, but there is always a worst and that’s warriors right now

[jovial reef]

if you play very well you can totally tank as prot

but other tanks just have a better time

[errant coral]

but i mean im looking for a new guild

since they dont want me to tank

[supple solstice]

And even so, you can’t dictate how good your group is no matter how good you are

[errant coral]

i cant compete with the other warrior dps and they will just take the one doing higher dps

plus its going to cost me 10K+ to reforge my gear to do m+ and raid as dps

[grim prism]

The worst right now lowkey is probably druids

[supple solstice]

You should always have both sets ready to go regardless

[grim prism]

Theyre performing on a similar level as prot and they are infinitely more boring

[errant coral]

im not going to trade out two 380 peices for 340 😛

[jovial reef]

depends on if you mean raids or m+ but ye prob tied with prot warr

[errant coral]

i might just take a break

level my monk

then when my guild come crying to me when they need a tank ill them where to shove it

[grim prism]

Play what's fun

[jovial reef]

as long as your goal is to go back to raiding a break can work

[grim prism]

If prot isnt doing it for you then so be it

[jovial reef]

if you pug breaks = no pugs will take you

since gear

[errant coral]

its doing it for me bal, its just its frustrating finding a guild that wants me as a tank

[grim prism]

Yeah the discrimination is real right now

[jovial reef]

they are out there but yeah you're gonna have an extremely hard time

[grim prism]

Cant deny that

[sick sentinel]

Oh man, that Reddit post... I'm harldy finding m+ groups rn

[pine timber]

so stack haste and ___?

[grim prism]

@pine timber ilvl

[jovial reef]

vers/mast

[grim prism]

Lol

[jovial reef]

not strings

but haste is your friend

[pine timber]

@grim prism Copy.

[grim prism]

Haste is better than the other secondaries but all secondaries are fairly close in relative value right now

[errant coral]

they cant say its because of my gear, my experience the only excuse is because im a prot warrior.

heres my armour

[grim prism]

Just pursuing ilvl and haste is the most important part

[errant coral]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/agamaggan/Béhemoth

[jovial reef]

fucking christ that's lucky

the azerite

[errant coral]

yeah i know

i have changed it to strength in numbers btw

[pine timber]

thanks for the input guys

[ruby latch]

here, any prot experts mind a quick voice chat?

2 minutes max

[half jewel]

Got a question. I read over the icy-veins guide and it says to only swap out a DC trait for something 25+ ilvl. I got the helm off mother @370. The guide also says that since the uldir trait only works in the raid I should have something to wear outside of it. And further down at section 2.3 it states that I should use Brace for Impact until the Reorg Array hits 500 haste. I also got the chest from Vectis @355.

So what I am asking is, should I equip this helm now and run Brace for impact in the raid while also using the chest. Then outside of raid swap back to my 340 DC helm. Or should I just wear the Mother helm all the time with a different chest?

[grim prism]

Mother helm is bis but deafening crash is mandatory

[half jewel]

yes i understand that

does not answer my question since I do not have any other DC pieces atm

[ember arrow]

uldir traits doenst only work in raid

the array portion (secondary stat bonus) does, the strength building up works everywhere

[half jewel]

Yea i only meant the array portion

[ember arrow]

340-370 is more tahn 25 ilvls

so you should equip the 370 one always

[half jewel]

Is archive better than callous reprisal (revenge trait)?

[ember arrow]

archive is very good, its basically ever increasing strength thats always active

im not sure why the guide would suggest unequipping it outside raids

str = dmgand armor

[half jewel]

Due to this design, these Uldir-specific traits start off being rather weak, but as the weeks go by and more secondary stat is added to Reorigination Array Icon Reorigination Array, they will quickly overtake other traits. Additionally, because these traits only work inside Uldir, you will want to use different Azerite gear depending on whether or not you are inside the raid.

thats partially why i was confused

[ember arrow]

ok, because on my dk you should equipthem in all cases

so idk why it would be different for warr

[half jewel]

i really hate how few helms have this DC trait, yet there are like 15+ shoulders that do and a good portion are WQ items

[daring marlin]

lol

barely any shoulders do

[half jewel]

unless it has changed since this was implemented thats why I said that

[candid cove]

@ember arrow its because str doesn't give block value. And block value is king for a prot war.

[ember arrow]

might be

[daring marlin]

I’ll rephrase

barely anything of a good ilvl has dc

poop

[candid cove]

Gotta pray for that m+

Maybe siege of trolls will give us some

or they'll phase it out because we value it too highly

[daring marlin]

gonna be new traits then I’m sure

Since asserite is supposed to be a replacement for tier sets

[ember arrow]

i dont see whyd theyremove DC

[daring marlin]

🤡😆

[candid cove]

I just want the azerite system revamped. gimme spec based options on loot

[ember arrow]

since its kinda prot warrs niche

[candid cove]

Not some oh hey its one prot choice deal with ti

[daring marlin]

I bet ya in the next tier they nerf DC on old azerite pieces to make it unappealing and change the traits on M+ pieces.

Remember arms T20? XD

[half jewel]

then they'll nerf anger management so we can be sad even more because our one good talent is dead

[ember arrow]

dont need to be so negative

[inland mesa]

From our talk earlier today, and performance in raid last night, I'm not using a 385 to keep my 340 DC piece. The net loss in DS up time is too large

[tiny sphinx]

which uldir trait only works in uldir?

[frail dagger]

what is everyone running as top azerite traits?

[undone sun]

Reorigination Array @tiny sphinx

obtained through Archive or Laser

[tiny sphinx]

and that's the only one yes?

[inland mesa]

Do archive/laser work outside of raid, you just don't get the stacking haste?

[undone sun]

Correct, only the reorigination part doesn't work outside of uldir

[shadow sedge]

So I tried running my parse through wowanalyzer, and it says

You only had the  Shield Block Buff buff for 37.68% of physical damage taken. You should have the Shield Block buff up to mitigate as much physical damage as possible.
37.68% was mitigated by Shield Block (90% or more is recommended)

[daring marlin]

LOL

[shadow sedge]

I would have to chalk that up to not up todate spec info on wowanalyzer?

[vocal nimbus]

not at all

[shadow sedge]

cause it's impossible to get 90% mitigated dmg like what

[vocal nimbus]

dont use it

it will be better to use #449510248579858432

[shadow sedge]

oooh true I'll have a look over there my b

[vocal nimbus]

ask here and tell who ever has the time to help to take a look at the other channel

[high rose]

My raid leader thinks monks are better. I dont disagree. But warriors are so much more metal. How do i convince him the rule of cool out weighs potential benefits during progression encounters?

[daring marlin]

lol

[ember arrow]

@high rose depends how comfortable you are wit the spec and what kind of progress we are talkign about

[daring marlin]

If your raid leader is trying to dictate what you play outside a top 100 guild he can get fucked

:^)

[high rose]

Mythic, server top 10. World top 1000

[open bluff]

"do you want me to fall asleep or actually enjoy playing"

because if he wants you to fall asleep, then you can't really argue with him wanting you to go brm

[solid mist]

man even on normal, zul is just bonkers in phase 2... am I doing something wrong. I feel like paper

[vocal nimbus]

Your survivability is 300% healer dependanr

Any tank dies without a healer on top of the tank

[solid mist]

good to know. I had to just facetank him for last bit. had like 7 stacks. I basically just prayed and hit every button on my keyboard

but yeah. as soon as he becomes active I just was melting

[ember arrow]

7

LOLOLOL

[solid mist]

hey man. it's normal with pugs

that's a lot for us 😛

[ember arrow]

ytoure supposed to swap at 2

[solid mist]

oh

[ember arrow]

so none of the tanks becomes unhealable

[solid mist]

thought you were saying it the other way

[ember arrow]

no no

at least on hc

[solid mist]

well. this was the last % and the other guy was down

[ember arrow]

i can take 2 3 max

[solid mist]

so no option. we downed him

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then he goes down and like 8 achievements pop 😏

[rain oracle]

What is the lowest Shield block Cool down? mine is still at 16.. how much hast do i need to get it to 15... or hope 12 at some point? would it ever even be possible?

[solid mist]

and it's like "ahhhhh yes"

[rain oracle]

the Dot last 20 seconds? how do you only do it with 2 stacks?

[solid mist]

we were swapping at 3 and that shit was brutal

[rain oracle]

this is zul we are talking about right?

I been doing 4 stacks.. seems best for when it drops off

[ember arrow]

@rain oracle if u swap at 2

it wont drop off

but u stay healable

2, then offtank 2

4 stacks u just die

[rain oracle]

but won't the stacks just continue to grow then?

[ember arrow]

unless u play a pala din

they will

but boss should die

its similar to imonar

[solid mist]

I'm very confused

ohhhhh ok

so you have good dps then

that's nice

what's that like?

is that nice?

[ember arrow]

u can swap at 3, but then u must run away

and not being able to hit smt

is bad

at least on my dk its horrible

so i pref to keep stacks

[solid mist]

yeah we were just swapping at 3, run out, drop puddles, come back in and re-taunt

[rain oracle]

ah.. I will stick with 4 stacks.. I think my teams dps is low.. XD that way I can drop the stacks and pick him up again. we must have good healers XD

but um .. yea that haste question, what is you cooldown for shield block?

it is suppose to be effected and lower depending on the amount of haste you have.. but mine doesn't seem to move. I am at 16 seconds

[ember arrow]

idk the cd

i dont playwarr atm 😛

[rain oracle]

QQ

[ember arrow]

it goes down with haste though

it SHOULD move

if u get more haste

try standing with 0 ITF stacks

[rain oracle]

so I hear but I have not seen XD I have like 1000 haste

[ember arrow]

then wit 5

and compare cds

[steel mauve]

if the cd number is green that means its effected by haste if i reclal

recall*

[undone sun]

yup

[rain oracle]

yes.. and it is green.. but if I take off all my gear.. it is 16 seconds... down from 18... then I put on all my gear and it is still 16 seconds down from 18 with an addition 1000 haste

I mean... I thought reducing the shield block cooldown was the main reason haste is our main secondary stat

[vocal nimbus]

Its one of the reasons

[rain oracle]

if not at least mastery increases our block chance while it is down

[vocal nimbus]

Haste reduces cds and gcds, this gives is more rage

More rage spent refreshes cds faster through AM

Faster cds means more tankiness

[undone sun]

better control over your own survivability

[rain oracle]

Ah so more haste means more devastate which means more shield slams which can be talented to increase shield blocks uptime?

[steel mauve]

you barely use devestate

[vocal nimbus]

More thunderclaps

[steel mauve]

and never take HR...

[vocal nimbus]

Thunderclap, revenge and shield slam are reduced with haste too

[shadow sedge]

I always feel like I don't have enough GCD's to do everything on my warrior when I tank stuff... it's so aids

[rain oracle]

k lastly is there a cap?

[vocal nimbus]

No

Theres a stat priority but it hasnt any caps

[junior igloo]

The benefit of haste is mostly just shorter cooldown on Shield Block.
Secondary benefit is more Shield Slams and Thunderclaps = more rage = more Anger Management = more cooldowns.

[winter skiff]

I really hate the delay of ignore pain

[rain oracle]

thanks guys

[shadow sedge]

IP being off the GCD would make the spec way more fun to play imo

[winter skiff]

Agree its just so slow

[vocal nimbus]

Not sure about that

[shadow sedge]

Would allow more flexibility in the rotation and more devastate

Which would also fix our rage issue ST

[vocal nimbus]

There isnt that much rage for IP if it is off the gcd

[shadow sedge]

But you wouldn't be waiting for it and could time it better

They should also bring back that passive from d stance

Was it 1 rage per 3s?

[vocal nimbus]

I ve played more with my warrior recently and i ve got to say that it takes time to get used to but in the end it kinda feels in harmony

The trick for me was to start planning ahead of time more

[shadow sedge]

For me it's more an issue that Warr is fast-paced proc based spec

[daring marlin]

I’m still a firm believer that IP off the GCD would feel great.

[shadow sedge]

But then demo shout and IP kinda throw everything out the window

[vocal nimbus]

😕

I guess the most confusing thing for people used to legion is what chief said

Warrior changed from a fast paced proc based playstyle to a planned, slow and steady style

[steel mauve]

idk at first i didnt like the gcd changes, but ive kind of gotten used to them and like the feel of the warrior, now i actually have to think far ahead of time to play well

its more challenging to me and i prefer it that way

[broken kite]

strongly disagree

[daring marlin]

I enjoy it.

[broken kite]

you dont need everything on gcd to plan ahead

[steel mauve]

you kind of do... you cant just randomly use it on the fly when ever you want, so you kind of need to plan out when to use it since it wont be available at the drop of a hat

[undone sun]

of course you can't but the gcd doesn't fix that

using your brain does

[broken kite]

obviously i can only speak for myself, but having to wait for gcds is just an annoyance

[steel mauve]

or at least you may not need every thing on the gcd to plan ahead, but since every thing is on the gcd you do need to plan ahead, which is exactly what i stated

[broken kite]

it feels clunky. bad.

[undone sun]

adding a gcd is a bandaid fix for their "problem" of having too fast of gameplay

[broken kite]

oh let me spend 2 globals for avatar and demo

that's fun!

monitoring available charges and rage is suitable for forward planning

adding gcds into it just seems like poor gameplay design

[steel mauve]

i agree its an annoyance and i dont understand why avatar was put on gcd, but i dont mind ip or demo shout being there at this point

[winter skiff]

What does it mean by weave

[steel mauve]

it feels like avatar was pointlessly put on gcd

[knotty ermine]

Adding the GCD also significantly lowers the skill cap on a lot of classes. Its (allegedly) a PVP expansion and it makes PVP combat more approachable when you do what you can to slow things down and narrow the gap between the highly skilled and the sub-par, even if you slow things down in a hamfisted and crappy-feeling way.

[winter skiff]

Does that mean macro

[broken kite]

no, whats the context?

[steel mauve]

are you talking about weaving in conjunction with the cengeance tralent?

vengeance*

[winter skiff]

For example i weave tc and ignore pain when high on rage

[broken kite]

use tc then use ip

[daring marlin]

For me, if they took IP and DS off the GCD I’d be 100% satisfied.

[broken kite]

repeat

[steel mauve]

it means alternate abilities

[winter skiff]

Oh so not a macri

Macro

[broken kite]

nope

[steel mauve]

tc then ip then tc then ip

[broken kite]

xd

[knotty ermine]

I disagree. DS maybe, IP, eh.

[winter skiff]

Will u have enough rage thi

Isnt ip really expensive

[steel mauve]

usually in context of vengeance meaning weaving revenges and ip's which we dont take that talent regardless

[daring marlin]

Insert the “you’ll just dev more” meme.

It would make me hate revenge procs less.

[steel mauve]

its more so weaving abilities inbetween TC

[sudden tapir]

I don’t think IP being on the GCD is as clunky as peeps make it out to be.

I imagine a scenario where if it was, the next issue with prot warriors would be being rage starved haha

[steel mauve]

tc > ip > tc > shield slam > tc > ip

[winter skiff]

I need to stop using revenge when not proc

[daring marlin]

wut

lol

[winter skiff]

And just sub that with ip

[steel mauve]

you really shouldnt revenge unless you are about to cap or its a proc

[winter skiff]

And use revenge when proc

[knotty ermine]

I'd love to be convinced otherwise, but so far I haven't heard a single argument that articulates how IP being taken off the GCD would actually improve prot warriors right now, aside from the fact that people keep meme'ing that that is what is wrong and maybe it will quiet those people down.

[steel mauve]

thatsa lot of rage to waste non defensively

[winter skiff]

I wish ip would do aoe damage when used

[steel mauve]

it wouldnt help us that much, people more so want fluidity

the people who say that would fix our tankiness dont understand how much that wouldnt help

[shadow sedge]

It would give us more defensiveness during avatar since you generate so much rage

[daring marlin]

^^^^^^^^

[broken kite]

ip on gcd feels bad, making prot less enjoyable. ip on gcd means you cant always use one of your main defensive abilities on demand. ip on gcd means you cant spend rage on demand.

[daring marlin]

You’d be able to weave TC/SS and use IP while doing it.

[sudden tapir]

Yep. It’s been said before, but if you blow your shield block it any other defensive cooldown without timing it for incoming damage, preemptively

[shadow sedge]

Spending a gcd on IP instead of shield slam or a revenge proc feelsbad

[sudden tapir]

You’re going to get punished

[daring marlin]

And revenge

[steel mauve]

ip shouldnt really be considered a main defensive ability either, its mainly used to smooth out damage, not be spammed like in legion

[broken kite]

oh look non blockable damage

wonder what i should use to mitigate this

[sudden tapir]

Shield wall!

😉

/s

[broken kite]

🤔

[shadow sedge]

Your healer!

[sudden tapir]

Hahaha

The off tank

[broken kite]

mitigate

not recover from

i guess i could call for an external for all non blockable damage

[steel mauve]

its still used as a smoother

[shadow sedge]

Oh my b 🤗

[broken kite]

idk why id try and reduce the damage i take

[daring marlin]

@broken kite Hahaha

[broken kite]

guess the ability that does that isnt a main defensive ability

[sudden tapir]

I’m just being facetious, but yea.. know when your cooldowns are down and make a smart call for external

[daring marlin]

LOVE YOU BUDDY

[shadow sedge]

I also wonder what caused the 5.6% protection Warr representation we saw in uldir 🤔🤔

[sudden tapir]

Word of mouth

[broken kite]

bad class design and over dramatized community perception

[sudden tapir]

Seriously, that’s all it is. Folks who have never played prot warr, hearing a little bit of hearsay and then preaching it as gospel all over

[steel mauve]

youtubers who gave out tank reviews and the community who didnt listen to it and seen the rankings

[sudden tapir]

Tank tanking videos on YouTube are cancer 😭

Ranking*

[edgy solstice]

end result of people making tier lists

[knotty ermine]

I know he's meme status, but I actually liked Preach's approach to tanking videos because he outlines repeatedly that it will change as things scale and with balancing passes, and he was focusing on which ones felt the best, gameplay wise, and why.

[edgy solstice]

based on how they feel at least

[ember arrow]

wouldyou guys be saying the same if prot was #1 according to the lsits?

[broken kite]

no id be in bear discord complaining about bears

[quiet sierra]

Is archive of the titans ok for tanking m+?

[ember arrow]

yes

permanent str buff

[broken kite]

str good get str

[knotty ermine]

Also, representation could also possibly be that prot warr's greatest strength was neutralized by the content itself with a significant lack of blockable incoming damage.

But hey don't shoot the messenger on that

[broken kite]

i wont, you couldnt block it

[knotty ermine]

eyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[earnest zinc]

Prot has been mediocre at best since 7.1.5 when we were nerfed to the ground for no reason

[edgy solstice]

[knotty ermine]

Bit dramatic to say mediocre at best, but that's like, your opinion man

[ember arrow]

prot was pty damn strong from TOS on

[broken kite]

yeah i enjoyed prot in legion, after the buffs in NH

[earnest zinc]

I just quit after NH was released

[broken kite]

though i played a lot more dk/dh for m+

since you know

dk/dh

[dark junco]

T20+T21 op

Or t19 for cheese lol

That 100% critblock lol

[broken kite]

t19 was only for memes, not for improved survivability

in my experience

[dark junco]

That made good memes tho

[steel mauve]

we were broken as fuck in EN, which is why we were nerfed, but a bit too harshly, another one of blizz's special, idk what this will do but lets over nerf some thing instead of trying to bring it down little by little

[ember arrow]

how was 20% increased chance to critblock bad?

also 5 rage per critblock

[steel mauve]

100% mastery +t19 for mythic argus though, had its uses

[earnest zinc]

ToV we were good

EN at launch we were brokenly OP

[steel mauve]

we were really strong in antorus too

[dark junco]

I remember spears from cenarius were hitting for nothing

My DK friend was getting f*cked lol

[gaunt coyote]

how many prot warriors were in that m xavius kill?

all with inspiration

[dark junco]

Blood DK on mythic renferal

Lol

[shadow sedge]

That shit was broken asf

[dark junco]

Like 20 bdk Oneshotting Renferal lol

[pure swift]

what is the max key you can run in time for 350 ilvl? on average +4?

[broken kite]

do you have a group with brains

or not

[pure swift]

don't have one yet, i'm 350 ilvl. i'd expect group to be similar

[sudden tapir]

+4 is pretty achievable with solid dps .. maybe a 7/8

[earnest zinc]

A 5 is easily done if your group isn't bad

[dark junco]

I have yet to finish a 8-9 in time this week

[ember arrow]

blood dk in EN

lul

[dark junco]

Always missing by 2-3 mins 😦

[boreal crater]

hiho

[brave jetty]

Can we singlehandedly cover a G'huun orb run?

Or do we need some sort of help?

I see kinda mixed things

[steel mauve]

we use dps warriors for ours, they can do it alone, some times if they fuck up they need help though

[ember arrow]

warlock port, charge charge, leap @brave jetty

[boreal crater]

some of you use Ask Mr. Robot for equip decision? it tells me the opposit of icy veins in sec stats

[brave jetty]

What if we don't have Warlock port?

[steel mauve]

dont use AMR

[ember arrow]

@brave jetty well then you cant i think

[brave jetty]

Not even with like, a speed pot or something?

[steel mauve]

its inaccurate, and you dont need advice on what gear to equip, our stat priority is brain dead easy

[boreal crater]

haste > all?

[steel mauve]

ilvl > haste > all

[chrome falcon]

@brave jetty the problem is that the speed pot doesn't do shit unless the goo has been cleared, which you would need a friend to do

if you have a clear path then yeah dude go nuts, speed pot charge charge then just before you get rooted leap

should be enough

but you won't have that path

[steel mauve]

5 ilvls on armor pieces is always an upgrade unless it has a socket, rings can be slightly different

and dont trade ilvl for the DC trait unless you have another one

[boreal crater]

what is dc trait? i need to translate ist

[chrome falcon]

wait, really?

[boreal crater]

it

[steel mauve]

deafening crash

[chrome falcon]

355 without DC is better than 340 with DC?

that blows my mind DC is so busted

[steel mauve]

340 with dc is better than 355 with out

[chrome falcon]

oh sorry i totally misunderstood your statement

mb mb

i'm so sad i have a 370 helmet and 2 340s

after 3 heroic clears and 2 +10 chests

[steel mauve]

its worth at least 25, and honestly a lot of people are starting to wonder if its even wortth 45

[chrome falcon]

and we're going to start fucking mythic fetid prog tomorrow

DC is completely absurd and is going to become even more absurd as we get more haste

[grim prism]

@chrome falcon its worth WAY more than 15 ilvl

[chrome falcon]

yeah i completely misunderstood what iron said lol i was very confused

[grim prism]

Probably more than 45 even, considering you're looking at 60-75% uptime on a 25% reduction

[quiet sierra]

Can ablative shielding stack?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[steel mauve]

i may have said it backwards and meant dont trade DC for ilvl, i guess thats the correct way to state it

[chrome falcon]

stacking ablative is probably pretty bad

[boreal crater]

well, good to have one of this 😃

[grim prism]

Finally got a 360 shield boys

All that AD spam has paid off

Kind of

[chrome falcon]

gz gz

[boreal crater]

gz

[shadow sedge]

GZ

[grim prism]

<3

[chrome falcon]

i feel like i spend more time in AD than i spend outside of instances

and i still only have a 340 rezan's

i must have like 15-20 runs at this point

what would you guys wear out of: 380 vial, 370 jes', 340 rezan's, blockades

for mythic fetid

[steel mauve]

blockades and jes howler

[chrome falcon]

i know there are 0 prot warrior kills on mythic fetid but

yeah that was what i was thinking too

[steel mauve]

well, idk vial may be better than blockades

[chrome falcon]

double active tho :/

[steel mauve]

i know howler wins out of the 4

[chrome falcon]

i have been doing some UNGODLY dps with the vial

1.6k strength for my first 4 thunderclaps

[daring marlin]

@grim prism trade you my vectis shield

It's 360 too bro good trade honest

[tardy pagoda]

so, m+ is insane hard this week

[chrome falcon]

yyyyyup

atal dazar is DISGUSTING

the pack on the right stairs

four rogues

[errant dagger]

Hmm

[chrome falcon]

and for some reason they fucking stun you this week

like, fuck off

[tardy pagoda]

6+ on kings rest took 1hr with a 360 group

[chrome falcon]

looks like teeming is completely fucked up this expansion

[tardy pagoda]

hallway to boss 3 is a nightmare

[dull pilot]

did a +10 AD was pure aids

[lucid kelp]

quick check. Str Feast > Haste food?

[fringe marten]

On mythrax is the amount of orbs you pop out on essence sheer a random thing?

[ember arrow]

u get around half the orbs of the amount of stacks u get

[fringe marten]

Right; assuming you have 0 stacks when you're struck..is it not the same amount or just a random interval?

[ember arrow]

no no

if u get hit and get 10 stacks for example

you get 5 orbs

[fringe marten]

right, but sometimes I get a ton of orbs (at 0 stacks on the strike) sometimes only a few pop out...also 0 stacks on the strike so ? just random stack quantity?

[steel mauve]

its not the amount of stacks you have, its how every many the ability gives you

[ember arrow]

shearisnt random

[steel mauve]

essence shear gives 30 stacks, you drop 15 orbs

well if you are hit by essence shear you cant drop orbs no matter how many stacks you gain for 30 seconds

essence shear gives you that debuff any ways

but its ALWAYS 30 stacks of annihilation, and drop 15 orbs, unless you have the essence shear debuff

[fringe marten]

Right I know you can't dump orbs if you have shear on you already.

[inland mesa]

stream up for zek voz progression on mythic wheee

[fringe marten]

ok so it's a set value: that's what I'm trying to figure out..so as they're dumping...disgusting melee weebs are eating mah orbs~

[ember arrow]

yes

if they do that

u wipe

[steel mauve]

well its 100% always the same, 30 annihilation 15 orbs every essence cast

[ember arrow]

since tanks must ave orbs

[steel mauve]

oh ya, if people are jacking your orbs its gonna fuck you up

[fringe marten]

Yeah that's what I"m trying to establish.

[steel mauve]

we've had to yell at melee to stop doing that shit and just nabbing every orb the tank drops

[sick sentinel]

just joining in this convo

[fringe marten]

they're running through AS they're fading in...

[sick sentinel]

our RL usually says "dps stop getting orbs wait for tanks to get some"

and after we are done "you can start collecting orbs again"

[steel mauve]

ya, people get hungry for em

[dark junco]

^

[sick sentinel]

or like "person X has 30 stacks leave him some orbs"

[steel mauve]

especially when they see a group of em fall out of the tank like its an ffa for THEM

[raven kernel]

I just tell ppl to fuck off my orbs

[strong parcel]

hey guys, if you intimidating shout a mob
into another mob
does it pull the 2nd mob?

[raven kernel]

Also eventually there will be a lack of orbs for tanks, raid has to soak a beam to spawn more for you

[steel mauve]

ya we've had to have people get hit by stuff so others can get orbs, including tanks

[raven kernel]

But only heroic we only needed to do this once late into the fight

@strong parcel yea

[sharp raptor]

Hey guys, so upon inspection, am I seeing it right, only 3 dungeons to get thundering crash trait and that's it?

[fringe marten]

uh I think that's about right

and you really wanna shoot for shoulders, which leaves 1 spot

because the best raid armor, is the helm

and then the chest

the 2 shoulders with DC on them are from the...? Stormsong zones emissary (if it's epic armor cache) and Cthraxxi spaulders

[lucid kelp]

on average do Warriors just have less HP than ot her tanks? Similiarly geared DK has 40k more hp than me

[main vault]

War is bottom with Monk

[sharp raptor]

Warrior is low because theoretically IP is EHP (effective health)

same with monk, monk got a 10% hp nerf from legion to BFA cause their EHP is so high cause stagger

[main vault]

Its not really cause of IP

Its all the blocking and etc

[sharp raptor]

oh no? I thought itwas

[main vault]

IP is a small part of it

[sharp raptor]

I'm a brew main so I don't know the ins and outs of all the tanks

[main vault]

But all the CD's and etc

[sick sentinel]

using dragon roar as prot

🤢

[steel mauve]

ya its not ip thats EHP, but our entire toolkit has pretty much the highest EHP

[sharp raptor]

yeah my warrior co-tank uses it, I'm trying to convert him to teh light