Pawn is worse than useless if you’re using default weights and even more so if you’re trying to use it for a tank
#protection
inland silo
storm isle
i got 2 370 rings with no haste vs 2 355 rings with haste which shouldi use
cloud bone
370 rings
I know it's sad to give up haste but that ilvl
if one of the 355 rings have a socket I think that might be better but not sure
cloud bone
then yeah take the 370 ones imo
honest kelp
Yo so is Brace for Impact bugged or is my UI messed up?
Only increases the dmg, dont give any block
cloud bone
you're ui might be messed up cus it increases my block
chance to block doesn't change only the damage blocked fyi
you might've already known that but wanted to make sure
junior igloo
@honest kelp
You are probably looking at block chance (how often you block), BfI increase block value (how much you block when you block)
cloud bone
^
honest kelp
Ohhh, yea my bad
mild vigil
I miss reforging 😦
ember arrow
Horrible design
old zephyr
Does reorigination array gain stacks if no pièce Ith the trait are équiped
junior igloo
Does the array have a catch-up?
If you level a new character and need 3 bosses per level, can you kill 6 bosses and get 2 levels in 1 week?
fallow sphinx
as far as i know you still only have to kill 3 bosses but you get the stack of the past weeks too
fierce halo
I thought there is no catch up.
fresh dragon
shield 370 haste mast vs shield 380 crit versa?
fierce halo
380
vocal nimbus
@junior igloo knowing blizz i bet they didnt think about that catch-up
not until someone in the forums suggests it
fresh dragon
i know that ilvl > all but... are u sure we dont have a MIN haste?
if i continue to remove haste pieces ill reach 0 haste :V
merry cave
Does lfr count? Might have to deal with that pain on my shitty alt this week to not miss it lol
vocal nimbus
Every difficulty afaik
fresh dragon
how does this week afflix feels?
vocal nimbus
easier bosses, more difficult trash
ember arrow
@fresh dragon minimum haste is 3%
since Into the fray
and yes ilvl>secondaries
secondaries arent that far apart fro meach other
fresh dragon
yesyes
stray marten
sick sentinel
IMO if we could block the "shoot" attacks I would be happy about prot warriors place
old zephyr
Inster no please no meme here
tight tree
We already discussed this post yeasterday 😉
tight tree
Nothing else to do anyway
sick sentinel
Like, we can block ranged attacks but we can not block channeled range attacks?
Or am I stupid
tight tree
I HEARD PROT IS GARBAGE GUYS WHAT DO TOU THINK LETS DISCUSS /s
old zephyr
i have to push buttons or else I die, prot is crap /s
sick sentinel
As long as pug healers add me on battle net to run m+ the next day I am happy
fathom marten
At this point I'm done arguing with people... what's the worst that can happen? Blizz concedes and buffs us
Hahah
manic perch
block ranged shooting and GIEF BANNER BACK all i want 😛
summer kestrel
jes gives main stat and a good active
vial gives mastery and an active that is shit
I would say jes value is greater than 15 ilvls on vial
amber siren
jes is still bis defensively
prisma night
The icy veins guide says to use vial in this situation
prisma night
Is that only for teeming or just in general?
prisma night
I would too
chrome falcon
it will let me whore a lot of dps with avatar
hallow jay
does into the fray scale with your haste?
chrome falcon
and look like a big strong man
noble solar
how are we doing tanking heroic/mythic fetid?
chrome falcon
heroic's fine, no idea about mythic
noble solar
i felt like being 870 ilvl at heroic krosus
prisma night
Did heroic fetid a few hours ago and it was a breeze
chrome falcon
just have SB up for all of them
if you aren't full hp or don't have an IP supplement with LS/SW/externals
make sure you're doing the strat where everyone stacks into a corner so you never outrange healers
noble solar
kept dying pre enrage at heroic
spammed IP the whole fight
reglardless of what he was doing
noble solar
if i main tank him
fierce halo
@hallow jay Into the fray just gives flat haste, not increase the haste rating you have. So when there are 4 mobs/allies nearby you get your haste + 15% as your haste value
prisma night
Sb for thrashes tho right*
noble solar
trashes only hit off tank right?
fierce halo
No
summer kestrel
you shouldn't have problem main tanking it
noble solar
should i keep SB for trashes only?
prisma night
What are you taking? Thrashes or main tank?
summer kestrel
off tanking otherwise, use another tank if you can
fierce halo
Have shield block up for each trash and use additional shield blocks when available
summer kestrel
melee
prisma night
Melee
noble solar
crit blocking when SB is gone
ember arrow
u got last stand for that
noble solar
i get wrecked
ill just film it next time
ill form a pug now, get there and make a video
raven kernel
Is your gear bad
noble solar
350
fierce halo
Oh right trash only hits the second tank, I thought it hits both
prisma night
You can pretty much have something up at all times for fetid
noble solar
Spell reflect doesnt do shit on trashes, right?
raven kernel
I'm considered over geared for heroic fetid so I can't tell anymore
prisma night
Sr only works on magic
ember arrow
maybeu have crap healers
prisma night
I was doing hc fetid at 350
raven kernel
366 in prot iirc, maybe 368 I forgot
prisma night
Currently 4 bosses into hc at 358 now
Oh boy im looking at my stats and jesus i have more mastery than id like
tight tree
I would welcome buffs, but okay as it it. Warriors could be so much more but they was left behind during beta and slapped with bandaid fix. Worse thing that people beleive all this shit and pressure tanks to reroll/respec. There is not enough tanks as it is, sure lets make warriors go Arms.
At least gearing alts is really fast now.
wintry ermine
crit mastery ring from the mythic cache 😢
shy sonnet
Apologies if this question has already been asked, but does anyone know of there exists any blue posts commenting or speculating on any potential future changes to Prot War? I've seen a ton of Elemental Shaman reworking, but nothing mentioned about Prot War, or the other few classes that need some TLC.
At 362 ilvl, best m+ tanked so far was +7, I don't really enjoy being forced into Arms or Alts to push 10s or higher but sure feels that way atm.
wintry ermine
I'm at a lower ilvl and ive tanked +10, its fine if you work with your group to reduce damage (rotating interupts, struns and fears)
you do a lot more damage than other tanks
keep shield block up when your getting hit and use spell reflect on as many spells as possible
try to keep demo shout up as long as possible aswell
mellow bridge
Yeah if you have 362 you can tank a +10
I did the same with like 358 with no big issues
Sounds more like a player issue if you cant do higher
shy sonnet
Yeah maybe I need to get my group helping a bit more, already doing the other stuff you mention. Tyrannical bosses not an issue for you guys either?
wintry ermine
nope, the boss damage hasn't been an issue
hexed geyser
I can do +10 but the affixes are just brutal and completely depends on which dungeon
mellow bridge
Obv there are some exceptions like the witches in WM which destroy many groups on tyrannical
But usually trash is harder imho
summer kestrel
trash is when shit hits the fan
wintry ermine
didn't like tyranical in temple of sethralis, but it was still doable (+9)
mellow bridge
Only issue I have in temple is the first boss if the group doesn't stop hitting the lightning shield
wintry ermine
and that was not due to tank damage, it was just people hitting the shield
mellow bridge
Second boss is laughable, third is not too hard if people soak the pillars
wintry ermine
and people taking extra damage in the last boss
tight tree
352, tanking 9s and 10s no probs. Survivability depends on healer, if you mitigate correctly and do mechanics.
tight tree
I dislike tyrranical bosses with tankbuster mechanics. Have to hold on to SB sometimes and get rekt by regular hits
Yazma or tree guy in waycrest
but then again there are bigger problems than tanking there
I wanted to be DK on tyrannical week to help weak healers to keep up though. On warrior you cant carry, you need competent group.
shy sonnet
That's just it... I play with weaker players as I've not got time to raid this tier and have switched to casual rank. So I'm forced to level my DK/Pala/BrM to carry weaker groups and it feels bad man.
However, my question still stands, anyone seen anything in blue suggesting any potential future prot tweaks?
tulip steeple
Nope
Leveled DK last week and I must say that combat res is game changer on higher m+
tight tree
There was nothing about tanks overall
I play with good people and i raid, but still i am sitting on geared alts just in case there will be no buffs. With current state of class i am not seeing being fun for me in the long run (m+ is doable but not really fun and there are better suited tanks for mythic Uldir prog). I expect tank changes after Ghuun death, and will decide based on their direction.
strong forum
@noble solar we started heroic with roughly 340-345 as guild week 1, wasn't too bad
fathom marten
Holy hell the amount of pure rage people have when you argue that prot is not trash
tight tree
people rage too much over such insignificant thing as video game 🤷
But Blizzard should not sell warriors as "impenetrable walls of steel with shield" tanks
old zephyr
That's pretty much What we are though
cobalt matrix
is archives of the titans good
junior igloo
yeah, it's good
tight tree
Guide in pins updated afaik, about traits
fierce halo
Archive is only good in Raids after 6 weeks of killing 3 bosses. At least it's not a top trait otherwise.
whole junco
Would you go with IP azerittraid of the item is 30 ilvl higher or Stick with 2x shieldslam/1x Thunderstomp
fierce halo
DC Is worth 25 ilvl, other traits are not mentioned in the guide, so I'd assume 15 ilvl is always an upgrade when dc is not involved.
jade tartan
Guys, looks like Archive is rising to the top for most DPS specs
How's it looking for us? Does anyone know ?
zenith latch
@fierce juniper u got some dps sims for anything prot wise bud
amber siren
@zenith latch Prot doesn't have any sims available bcs the backend of simc isn't coded for us yet
junior igloo
Haha, he threw it like a hot potato on to Melekus, who has it on his to do list as item #86 😄
zenith latch
😠
stray wedge
to be fair, it's actually quite complicated
wouldn't want to try to code simc if you didn't know what you were doing :)
quiet plume
What's the DC trait?
next lagoon
which doesnt stack right
old zephyr
the damage does, the interesting part doesn't
valid pecan
should i go Champion of Azeroth or Iron Fortress?
manic perch
think guide says IF
grim zenith
has anyone tried higher keys this week yet? I got completely demolished by maiden packs and ticks (i saw the nerf) in underrot yesterday, IP was gone as soon as i casted it with shield block up. anyone else experiencing that in other dungeons or the same? I'm 359 ilvl with a 340 wep and 350 shield
past ledge
true moon
i love this weeks key afficts...
green isle
@zenith latch
gaunt coyote
still no world first? lol
strong forum
@grim zenith you mean this teeming fortified or last week bursting tyrannical? Cuz last week it was smooth sailing on +10s, this week idk but you shouldn't pull any ticks packs anyways so that's on you. And also make sure to take the correct path avoiding the double maiden pack
If you walk correctly you should only have to deal with 2 maidens and 0 ticks
grim zenith
This week with teeming it looked like there were two maidens on both sides @strong forum
last week it was definitely smooth sailing. got a +10 siege and a couple +9s pretty easily even though I'm new to tanking
@gaunt coyote method's healing officer had to go back to work today so unless Limit or Exorsus has all of their members and can push to ghuun and get it down, we're on a pause. because I think Method still has Mythrax to kill before Ghuun when they do start back
hexed lion
Quick question for you lot, any of you doing M+ around 8+ and finding it really hard to stay alive with a priest healer?
strong forum
Yea, have the same experience with priest healers. But I think it's just cuz hes not good enough
mellow bridge
I assume you mean discs?
strong forum
He can hardly get above 15k HPs
hexed lion
both, muyuu
strong forum
So I guess that's a player problem rather than a classes, although I think disc in general isn't good anymore in m+
mellow bridge
I literally have seen only a single HPriest this xpac in m+
but the healoutput was fine
cinder bridge
just did a waycrest manor 9 and got destroyed almost every pack
mellow bridge
for discs, last ID it was completely fine, I just always had food ready to heal up between packs as their healing there isnt that good
hexed lion
i suppose, i was curious as to what fellow prots were feeling, any other healer are absoloutley fine, rarely drop below 50%
mellow bridge
Haven't done any this ID yet as on EU we just got the new affixes and I wont get to play until tomorrow prolly
round fox
What are the NA affixes this week?
strong forum
So far my experience is, monk #1, hpal #2, druid #3 and disc #4
hexed lion
^ same
round fox
Rsham 5?
strong forum
Haven't played with shamans
grim zenith
@cinder bridge i've been getting demolished this week. never seen IP be more worthless lol
strong forum
Or rather, haven't had shaman in m+ yet
cinder bridge
played my waycrest 9 just now with a rsham, got absolutely ruined
round fox
hpriest?
mellow bridge
@round fox eu and na have the same affixes, it's fortified teeming quaking
strong forum
Hpriest is same as disc
cinder bridge
@grim zenith yeah I don't even
round fox
thx muyuu
strong forum
But who plays hpriest in m+ kek
round fox
no idea... I'm a scrub, took me 1h10m to do a shrine 4 the other day
strong forum
Kek
grim zenith
@cinder bridge i pulled a pack in underrot +9 and with shield block up, demo shout, last stand, my IP was still getting chewed through. this week is gonna be tough.
hexed lion
ive done several 10+ with ease, with holy paladins and resto druids
mellow bridge
idk about this week but freehold is popular as it's super easy
hexed lion
just any priest abso wipes us
mellow bridge
in general
strong forum
Ima push 11s-13s this week and see how it goes
grim zenith
@strong forum you're a masochist lol
strong forum
Every dungeon is free if you can skip the hard packs :D
cinder bridge
thing is my shield is still 330, that might factor into it
hexed lion
shouldn't need to though, i know we're a weaker m+ tank in general but its sad that its just priests that struggle with us
mellow bridge
well you cant skip them in every dungeon
in freehold it's possible and doesn't make getting the 100% any harder
as there is more than enough trash after the first boss to do
strong forum
Even so, this week is prob easier than 1st m+ week
hexed lion
yea
strong forum
Sanguine necrotic is much harder than teeming
mellow bridge
Necrotic was really easy imho
hexed lion
much easier for someone like a resto
mellow bridge
Barely noticed it
strong forum
Like infinitely easier, and I did +10 1st week
strong forum
Pretty easy week actually
mellow bridge
Sanguine was pretty annoying depending on the dungeon tho
idk some dungeons this week sound really fkin hard
hexed lion
kings rest POG
mellow bridge
you just know that blizz put in more berserkers with teeming
that's what they'd do
strong forum
Idk, anything is easier than necrotic sanguine fortified
strong forum
Dwarf racial, np
mellow bridge
idk, i dont think i can agree with that nomeratur
compact mirage
Btw what is your strategy on Berserker in KR?
strong forum
Only week that's harder is bolstering grievous
compact mirage
You sort of can outrange the dotcleave
strong forum
Literally the only week that's harder than sanguine necrotic, is bolstering grievous
mellow bridge
but yea usually just CC if needed
compact mirage
Seems to be a cone attack without a castbar
strong forum
The bleed is a 360, hitting the closest target
hexed lion
surely it will just target closest then?
compact mirage
Sad story for melee setups
granite socket
if any of you decided to change to an other tanking class: what did you pick? why?
fathom marten
I haven't changed comopetley but I'm leveling a monk to main through next raid tier.
I picked monk because I've never tried monk
granite socket
isn't monk also very bad atm?
strong forum
I would only switch do VDH cuz the sigil are fun and it plays like a dps
fathom marten
They are top
strong forum
Monk is very strong, and strongest for raiding
fathom marten
Them and bdk are doing very well
I have a VDH as well
But monk has been really interesting to play so I'll probably chose monk
granite socket
is it more interesting than Prot Warrior?
strong forum
No
fathom marten
The idea of stager and purge is really fricken cool
Umm idk it's a preference thing
strong forum
Imo monk is giga boring
fathom marten
Right now monk seems so cool probably because it's so new to me
It's just boring in relation to warrior really
Which any class can seem that way in that respect
I dont find monk any less boring then vdh
granite socket
I'll push warrior as far as I can
I don't know what class is not boring than
I had druid
it was horribly boring
fathom marten
Yeah druid was really boring to me
strong forum
Vdh is the most fun after warri to me, just being this self healing spirit bombing utility machine
fathom marten
So was pally actually imo
fathom marten
Vdh feels really strange to me
fathom marten
Like, the style of tanking is hard to describe
It almost feels like they dont have an idea of how to make vdh tanking.
Idk hard to describe
Imo of course
merry cave
I may be crazy but bosses seem to be hitting as hard as they did last week on high keys, just not as much hp
strong forum
Vdh is just a dps that tanks. With the occasional AM
That's what's fun about it
Well yeah, tyrannical increases Dmg by 15% and HP by 40%
15% ain't much
granite socket
is it anything like Havoc?
never really tried Vengance, but Havoc was a lot o fun
strong forum
Not really no, vdh is you generate pain( resource) and soul fragments that you pump into spirit bomb ( your spender) which does a360 aoe explosion, absorbed soul fragments heal you per orb
And then you have your jump for dmg and mobility and your sigils utility
mellow bridge
and you kinda have a "shield block" with spikes that you always wanna keep running if possible
granite socket
based on this video, I'll stay Warrior, suppose I should use heroic leap and spell block more often
astral crystal
sense pls come through with the 8.1 spoilers
uneven mason
"spell block"
chilly brook
TBH vengeance is boring to me
BrM I find fun
But I played BrM the last few years so warrior is a welcome change
uneven mason
Another tank ranking video...
Is this one at least informed or done by someone who actually knows how to play the tanks they're talking about?
(I'd watch it but I can't stream stuff at work)
primal crypt
@uneven mason it's from kelani
An overview youtuber
Just plays everything to 120 then does a review
chilly brook
So probably not lol
modern brook
My guild is dying
chilly brook
RIP
modern brook
Which is exponentially sad because im a port warrior main in the age of reddit kids
primal crypt
His clips are still from BETA lololol
modern brook
IDK what to do
chilly brook
Well I think I’m going to take today’s class time to type up a script for an actual prot warrior analysis/guide
uneven mason
I can see the youtube link and the title but my firewall nixes anything else haha
"Use demo shout, spam thunderclap, git gud"
chilly brook
Kinda being tired of having to type something up for people everytime they’re like “prot is bad”
uneven mason
I actually convinced them to finally just let me tank Mother
rather than letting me sit there and stare at adds
modern brook
nice!
chilly brook
I swapped to arms for taloc and mother
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I said “I’m making an executive decision”
grim prism
To be fair, prot is clearly "lagging behind a little bit" in terms of progression and representation, and not because there are no skilled prot warriors
Which is all he said
At least in the bits i lazily skipped through
He really only called druids bad
chilly brook
Meh I mean on the first two bosses you don’t need a second tank
And our other tank only has a tank spec
astral crystal
you do need a tank for mythic mother tho
the sha blood thing trucks pretty hard
second tank*
chilly brook
Well that’s Mythic lol
gaunt nimbus
hey so i was wondering how warriors deal with zul on p2? what mitigation can we use again the rupturing blood?
sick sentinel
Shield wall mostly
chilly brook
Maybe when people actually get their head out of their rear end we’ll worry about Mythic mother
rain dune
Shield wall and brez seems to be the plan for our Zul kills
And just burn him as quickly as possible
sick sentinel
What can also happen
astral crystal
@gaunt nimbus spell reflect, shield wall, last stand, demo, just make sure you're arranging those in an order that gives you time to chain CDs
then cal for externals
uneven mason
@gaunt nimbus You should only have 3 swaps for Zul if your raids DPS is high enuogh
astral crystal
yesterday was the first time no tanks died during h zul for us
spark mortar
That moment when Battle Rez is a valid external.
astral crystal
felet good
sick sentinel
After you swap you leap away and get BoPed
uneven mason
@astral crystal Spell Reflect doesn't work on Zul's DoT
sick sentinel
So you drop the stacks immidiately
chilly brook
Wow
rain dune
Mhmmm :[
astral crystal
o ye my bad
spark mortar
You also drop the pool immediately with the BoP so make sure you are still far away.
astral crystal
no SR
chilly brook
459 prot warriors have killed Mythic taloc
gaunt nimbus
its phys dmg that cant be blocked. ignore pain is the only thing outside of a big CD
vocal nimbus
Blob job?
chilly brook
🤔
rain dune
It's because their guild says "Okay the main tank tanks Taloc and you just facecheck blobs"
chilly brook
I’m so embarrassed about raid last night
grim prism
talking shit about people more progressed than you 😬
modern brook
I make my off tank do that
rain dune
I'm not talking shit
modern brook
I'm trying to P A R S E
rain dune
That's literally what my guild does
chilly brook
@grim prism I have Mythic Taloc down 🤔
astral crystal
never make fun of Sco in this chat ever again
rain dune
It makes it such a boring fight
sick sentinel
But... Just deep wounds on 2 mobs gives you that much dps
vocal nimbus
Parsing while progging 🤔
vocal nimbus
🤔
grim prism
I misread
chilly brook
You can flex and prog
modern brook
You're doing alot o f 🤔 for a warrior
chilly brook
Believe me it’s possible
vocal nimbus
Are you abrodus? 🤔
uneven mason
So @gaunt nimbus , you tank Zul - hit LS as soon as you get 1 stack EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CHARAGE OF SB (so you can save the rage on SB) Make sure you have avatar ready. (But use DS on Zul since it should last the whoel time you have him)
chilly brook
Who?
vocal nimbus
🤔
grim prism
vocal nimbus
Hmmmmm
chilly brook
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
grim prism
:Hmmmmm:
uneven mason
use shield wall as you run out - use rage on IP when it fades (it'll fade wich each tick)
avatar is to get another IP up , you should survive doing this
primal crypt
🤔 Bunch of Einsteins in here
modern brook
💪
chilly brook
gaunt nimbus
thanks for all the advice guys. really helps. probably should've looked for advice before the raid called it for the night though
uneven mason
so for zul
- Use Last stand instead of shield block when you have 1 stack, you're going to need to spam IPs once you hit 2, so you want to be fairly close to rage cap when the tank swap happens.
gaunt nimbus
basically LS + DS for first stacks, SW for second, and external for 3rd.
gaunt nimbus
not stacks, but times tankign him
uneven mason
Oh
gaunt nimbus
per taunt*
chilly brook
If you go to three then leap out and get a Rez xD
uneven mason
You're only going to have him twice at most lol
if you have him more than twice
your raid needs to get better at burning
But Also -thats if you have to live through the 20 seconds
If you have BoPs
they get used on the debuff
just make sure you co-ordinate with your paladins before hand
Like really make sure
scream at them
have them repeat it back
twice
uneven mason
That you'll go to a marker (determine where first) and they will be there in range to BoP you as SOON as you're out of range
primal crypt
Bleeds are def our biggest problem imo
uneven mason
mmhmm
chilly brook
DoTs in general
primal crypt
Ran into a bleed rogue...feelsbadman
uneven mason
but Zul's bleed
is just stupid
that is where our lack of self healing really shows itself
its like, the ONLY place where its an issue as well
chilly brook
bAlAnCeD
raven kernel
thats why im dark iron
uneven mason
you can't remove ZUl's bleed bruvh
raven kernel
it helps massively against actual bleeds/poisons
chilly brook
Honestly surprised they haven’t nerfed the bleed
uneven mason
I mean, YOU CAN deal with the bleed as a tank
chilly brook
Must be nice to be dark iron
uneven mason
No tank gets out of that without needing to be Trucked by a healer
raven kernel
well yeah the zul bleed is a healer check
uneven mason
Dwarf (not DI) racial works on it btw
raven kernel
more than a tank check
chilly brook
Honestly the only alliance race I’m interested in
uneven mason
because its Physical damage
primal crypt
High mountain Tauren warrior > everything
modern brook
If you play dark iron, you have to play alliance so it balances out
uneven mason
yeah I know
chilly brook
Can’t wait for zandalari though
uneven mason
dwarf racial does the same thing, but instead of a str buff (DI) Dwarves have 10% Physical reduction
which mitigates the damage from Zul's bleed, but doesn't remove it
😉
primal crypt
But who wants to play alliance LUL
chilly brook
#letmeblockbleeds
primal crypt
.....rest in rip
modern brook
pour one out for the fallen
primal crypt
My wife screams for the horde all day
chilly brook
Rest in spaghetti never forgetti
primal crypt
Alliance scum and all that jazz
uneven mason
My wife was like that too, until they turned Sylvanas into a cartoon villain
primal crypt
OH COME ON
chilly brook
all day you say?
uneven mason
Rag makes you mad, not stupid
modern brook
Listen, sylvanas has her own reasons to be stupid af.
uneven mason
Sylv is stupid
chilly brook
Sylvanas is bae fam
uneven mason
she's written by a 4 year old
modern brook
But if you're not 100% down to burn some trees because fuck the alliance
you're not true horde
primal crypt
Irrational is all
chilly brook
Truth
primal crypt
Just burn all the things
chilly brook
I’m glad it got burned
primal crypt
It'll be fine
uneven mason
She's the stupid blonde that got upset that the barista didn't put a puppydog in her mocha latte frappa chunky chino
modern brook
hell yea
uneven mason
But at least I can piss off my Alliance guild
by talking about how awesome Greenboys are
chilly brook
I mean she was a blonde
uneven mason
and how stupid gnomes sound
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
But 11/10 sylvanas
uneven mason
They got that swing
primal crypt
They got that dance
uneven mason
So
primal crypt
Put on some clogs and swing my shield
uneven mason
there was some good news
primal crypt
Slap my ass and call me shirley
chilly brook
DC didn’t get nerfed with their azerite tuning that’s all the news I needed
primal crypt
Even in fort high keys?
primal crypt
Yeah, skip em
uneven mason
they were rather shockingly pathetic
chilly brook
I mean they were stupid beforehand
uneven mason
I don't run with the brighest DPS
uneven mason
tends to pull every skipped pack
chilly brook
Pull right then dip left
primal crypt
LOLOLOLOL
sick sentinel
Do not get them then : D
primal crypt
@uneven mason I'm guessing they have misdirect up too
uneven mason
So I get asked by other guildies "Why'd you pull that"
and I'm always like
<--- that dude
chilly brook
Why don’t you pull the drake
primal crypt
Scumbags man
uneven mason
pulled every mob between the entrance and first bridge in Freehold
primal crypt
Ultimate scumbags
sick sentinel
LOL
chilly brook
Just be like “hunters nah” “mages yea”
uneven mason
and then he's like let me get my pet and I was like "but I can see your pets health bar....now its dead, what did you do?"
But I can't say no
its like
chilly brook
I mean you can
chilly brook
I do
uneven mason
I'm nice
Until someone talks shit about Prot warriors
then I'm all like
Turning green
chilly brook
I reserve the right to choose who I want to take to my keys
uneven mason
and smashing cars
modern brook
"your pet died, what did you do?" "sorry, tank pulled the whole dungeon"
primal crypt
You guys ever get the message, "Why did you decline me"
modern brook
Yeah
primal crypt
When you decline people for M+
chilly brook
Couldn’t he have just feigned death to stop that?
modern brook
Generally from rogues
chilly brook
No generally that’s the question I ask when I get declined for a +8 at 365
primal crypt
Dont be surprised
modern brook
I def got declined from "Atal +4, DESPERATELY NEED TANK" at 354 last night
primal crypt
you're a 365 prot warrior LUL
modern brook
so
uneven mason
it was too late to FD, we had all just done that silly thing where we press our buffs (Priest and I)
so we were on the aggro table
chilly brook
“You’ve been sitting there looking for a tank for the last 20 minutes yet you decline one”
modern brook
inb4 "prot isnt a tank tho"
chilly brook
Never seem to get a response
primal crypt
Shows how badly prot warriors are played
The consensus is that prot warriors are bad because so many people play them like shit
Plays a mitigation tank....doesn't mitigate
chilly brook
Lol
modern brook
It honestly has to be that
primal crypt
Then they make videos
chilly brook
Plays a proactive tank doesn’t do anything before it happens 🙃
primal crypt
PROT WARRIORS ARE REALLY BAD
modern brook
My favorite is when people are like
"I'm topping dps meters but i cant hold aggro"
because you're either retarded or wrong
primal crypt
My 355 warrior takes less dmg than my 365 DK
chilly brook
“Reeeeee prot needs VR to be better self healing Ike DK reeeeeeeee”
primal crypt
Depending on CDs, but still less dmg
chilly brook
You shouldn’t take a hit where you need to use it after being hit 🤔
grim zenith
does anyone have a link to that prot warrior reddit post that listed the changes and bad things and stuff?
chilly brook
What changes?
grim zenith
like, changes from legion
chilly brook
Oh lul
grim zenith
it was like "proof that prot warriors are bad" or something
uneven mason
"Hey I'm going to be out of melee range, with a DoT that is hitting for like 60k on me, mebbie I should bank rage, use a CD AFTER I get the stacks and spam IP to keep the ticks to a minimum"
chilly brook
Who cares
modern brook
yeah the one from yesterday
uneven mason
gotta think to those 20 seconds where you're not tanking anymore
modern brook
I saw that and I was like "cool not going to get pugs till changes come in"
modern brook
I have a .txt with the names and servers of every leader that declines me
grim zenith
I care because i was referencing it to a friend so I wanted to send it to him, @chilly brook. how are you having a bad day already lol
primal crypt
I had about 4 seconds left on SB to come back up
uneven mason
dogc has his notepad blacklist
primal crypt
because I timed shit poorly
chilly brook
Wut
grim prism
@grim zenith itll still be pretty high up on r/wow, or you can just search "reddit" in this channel
chilly brook
Who said I’m having a bad time?
chilly brook
^
grim zenith
@grim prism ty
chilly brook
Hence the “who cares”
uneven mason
I mean
chilly brook
If the guy is sitting here clearing Mythic I’ll take note
grim zenith
I play prot war I don't necessarily agree with the outrage i just wanted to show the article for reference.
uneven mason
if they cry enough and we get buffed
I Just don't want them to screw with us mechanically
I LIKE how prot plays right now
chilly brook
I agree
uneven mason
but if they want to double Ip
primal crypt
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gshu0/protection_warrior_needs_a_rework_immediately/ Is this what he's looking for?
uneven mason
👏
modern brook
The only point i agreed with is that for a proc based rotation, i ignore my procs often
chilly brook
I’d be happy with an IP buff
modern brook
I very often hold shield slams to get IP's out during Avatar and such
uneven mason
right
primal crypt
me too @modern brook
uneven mason
but that is a choice
modern brook
^^^^^
grim zenith
@primal crypt it was a different one that broke down the changes from legion, but this works fine 😃 ty
uneven mason
you have a choice between spending rage to improve defense, or generate more
primal crypt
BUT I WANT TO DO BOTH
modern brook
I also fucking hate revenge rn
grim zenith
I think removing the GCD from IP would nullify the reduction in efficiency for me, it feels hella clunky now
uneven mason
THan play a VDH
primal crypt
👏
uneven mason
and manasponge it up with the rest of the fucking plebs!
modern brook
But on the whole i really like Prot
uneven mason
😉
chilly brook
People keep talking about charge being on gcd like it’s a huge issue 🤔
primal crypt
but it seems even worse now
uneven mason
they drink more mana than a raid filled with discipline priests
modern brook
On opener do you guys do Avatar at 1, charge at pull?
modern brook
clap -> block
chilly brook
Yes @modern brook
modern brook
ok cool cause people were complaining our opener sucked
uneven mason
Avatar > Charge > TC +SB > DS > TC etc
chilly brook
But I Avatar>Charge>DS
modern brook
and I was like "I'm not that creative how do you not do this"
modern brook
I TC because I'm here to P 💪 A 💪 R 💪 S 💪 E
primal crypt
Charge/Ravager/Taunt/Shield Wall
uneven mason
I TC because it extends demo shout
primal crypt
That's the pull pattern I see most of the time
chilly brook
These are the same people that in legion played blood DK but never used dancing rune weapon as a DPS cooldown
modern brook
not if u tc before DS
sick sentinel
But using avatar during heroic leap looks cooler
compact mirage
If there is a group I normally mark a target and taunt on pull for the 3sec bonus threat.
sick sentinel
Also revenge to get deep wounds on everything
modern brook
Taunts off gcd so you can just throw it in there whereever
sick sentinel
hey guys, i just got back into WoW after cataclysm and i literally have no idea
modern brook
I've found Avatar stomps is enough for threat generation, but i also have a rogue for tricks so
sick sentinel
what im doing
chilly brook
Well
compact mirage
read.the.guide
uneven mason
Welcome to 85% of protection warriors
raven kernel
ayylmao
hushed swallow
85% is pretty generous imo
primal crypt
ayyyyy
uneven mason
@sick sentinel the pin (upper right corner) has some guides in icy veins, they're a good place to start
sick sentinel
ah thanks
chilly brook
You’re going to have a learning curve of getting back into the game but an even further learning curve of how to actually play prot warrior correctly @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
because i forgot what i need as protect
modern brook
it does not matter
compact mirage
all.in.the.guide
sick sentinel
oh okay
modern brook
You're going to dump all that by the time gear matters anyways
uneven mason
but yeah its all in the guide
sick sentinel
thanks boys
astral crystal
speaking of GCD
sick sentinel
aprreciated
uneven mason
yeah like, gear only matters at level cap
uneven mason
other than that, weapon upgrades are > all
astral crystal
we're almost playable
chilly brook
@sick sentinel first thing I recommend if you’re actually wanting to play prot is to redo your UI make sure you can see your timers for DBM/bigwigs and get a good weak aura
Other than that the rest is in the pins
uneven mason
and a tracker which makes the Super Sayan sound effects when you hit 75% uptime on Demo shout
primal crypt
sick sentinel
@astral crystal are you calculating the proc of quick navigation? It gets even lower!
chilly brook
😎
astral crystal
im not, i think i hit like 45% haste or something like that
i have to check tonight
chilly brook
I should actually make a weak aura that plays the super saiyan sound everytime Demo Shout is off CD
chilly brook
Thanks for that xD @uneven mason
sick sentinel
Personally I am using Dominos for my UI
modern brook
I use elv ui cause i like the customization options
primal crypt
Elvui is most common
sick sentinel
also this azerite thing is confusing
modern brook
also its relatively common so its easy to ask questions / trouble shoot
primal crypt
Elvui is also really simple
chilly brook
@sick sentinel plenty of options out there none are really better than the others it’s more of a preference thing which you pick
primal crypt
You can turn off a lot of BS
chilly brook
I can link you a video that can explain the concept of what you’re going to want
sick sentinel
that'd be great
chilly brook
sick sentinel
cheers bro
chilly brook
Iirc he throws in different examples
sick sentinel
Is there any way other than ElvUI to be able to click links in chat?
chilly brook
It generally comes down to preference, the idea is that you get the information that’s relevant to you where it’s actually readily available without having to take your eyes off what’s happening in game
sick sentinel
yeah
uneven mason
important information should be ina little circle around your characters feet.
which is where your eyes should be 90% of the time
"am I standing in stupid"
modern brook
"healers need to adjust"
strong forum
"stand in fire dps higher"
compact mirage
the guy who did vengeance is dead
ionic ridge
@sick sentinel you can start with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsRg1w9V6LQ
Which is absolutely not a shameless promotion for someone on this discord
stoic kite
I get hit so hard in M+ this week x-x
sick sentinel
@ionic ridge thanks
astral crystal
this week is really, really painful
strong forum
How though, 2 weeks ago was much harder affixes
stoic kite
failed a +7 and +8 timer w/ the guild
strong forum
Kek
dusk locust
teeming is nuts in some of these keys for sure
astral crystal
nomeratur have you done keys this week?
did a 10 tol dagor and got smashed in the ass
10 shrine was easier though
strong forum
I'm not home yet, an EU so no
dusk locust
tol dagor was nuts
astral crystal
mob pack heavy dungeons are just ridiculous
strong forum
Tol dagor isn't mob heavy at all
static pilot
Then maybe you shouldn't talk shit?
astral crystal
you'll see
dusk locust
worst thing about tol dagor is everything shoots or spellcasts
chilly brook
@ionic ridge Wadu hek someone actually found that 🤔
strong forum
I'm not talking shit, just wondering why teeming is so much harder than sanguine necrotic
modern brook
Didnt they change teeming
ionic ridge
@chilly brook I wonder how they could find the channel 🤔
strong forum
Can't imagine it, besides with maidens and berserkers
dusk locust
it def feels harder than sanguine necrotic to me which also surprises me
chilly brook
I do suppose it’s linked to my discord 🤷♂️
strong forum
I literally pulled like 4 packs in waycrest, freehold and others and was fine
Last week ofc
So 1or 2 packs can't be that much more difficult
hexed geyser
It depends on the kind of mobs entirely
ionic ridge
@chilly brook can you show us your current prot war ui ?
chilly brook
I can take a look to see if I have any pictures rn
hexed geyser
I can literally pull so many mobs in motherlode the melee ones and I’ll be fine but the moment there is two or more magic fuckers and am effed
So far I have done tol dogor and motherlode since reset both +9 and it really made me wanna quit my warr lmao
Am hoping I done the worse though
dusk locust
you also need a good plan with your group going into teeming with certain pulls. atal'dazar still isn't too bad but you really need to do it right to get a 10 done in time
hexed geyser
Like at this point I prefer singu and necrotic lmao
dusk locust
we failed atal 10 the first time but had another key and did it in time after we'd practiced it once
chilly brook
Hmmm I don’t have any screenshots on my phone rn @ionic ridge but it’s the same UI mostly as in the video with the main difference being a prot weakaura and it being adjusted to 21:9 aspect ratio
knotty ermine
stone beacon
The state of protection warrior pls ^^
boreal patrol
Got a 380 gore-ecrusted butcher's block from weekly cache. Worth swapping DM:B with it?
knotty ermine
Those gearsets on the right?
Always interesting to see the diff stuff people use OPie for
ionic ridge
I personnaly use opie just for raid markers
one for targets one for areas, just faster with M+ pugs
Make them feel like dogs with the "stay" and pop marker
knotty ermine
Yeah, someone (I think you?) mentioned that the day before, and I may or may not have aped it
ionic ridge
when you loss pull on boralus third boss
merry cave
god quaking isnt fun
dusk locust
it definitely throws a wrench into some tol dagor bosses
knotty ermine
Quaking hasn't been bad for me thus far. Though I should admit, I've only been bringing 1-2 melee dps along.
Definitely shifted strategies significantly for certain dungeons though. Like freehold and Motherlode both became "clear everything until you hit %, then just death run to the boss(es).
Freehold was only necessary to do that because the hunter in group adamantly refused to drop barrage (which, btw, was exciting to see that cast go off while clearing up to the second boss)
Motherlode it was a solid strat though that I honestly might just use from now on even in other affixes. Dungeon was already cake when running with my partial guild group, but that strat makes it pretty much idiot-proof.
chilly brook
I have gear sets, consumables and pull timers on OPie
On the bright side affixes seem more dangerous this xpac
Well I suppose that could be a negative depending on how you look at it
raven kernel
user problem
fossil basalt
Developer problem
sick sentinel
I got OPie like the day before yesterday and I am loving it right now
I had covered my bars with toys and mounts and I just put them all in 2 keybindings 😄
ionic ridge
@fossil basalt Mind explaining why is prot warrior weak please ? ^^
fossil basalt
So cancelled sub
chilly brook
Play a different tank then
If you can’t be bothered to learn how to properly play prot
fossil basalt
Easy to die
sick sentinel
mind sending a log?
ionic ridge
Ilvl ?
sick sentinel
score?
chilly brook
I’d love to see his logs
ionic ridge
traits ?
chilly brook
Clearly
sick sentinel
play monk tank then
rain dune
Less than average
sick sentinel
or DK
fossil basalt
So dont judge me on user exp
sick sentinel
prot is in a good spot
fossil basalt
But i like prot
rain dune
Why? You're saying the class is weak when you're not good at playing the class
fossil basalt
Dont like
chilly brook
So what you’re saying is “I can’t be bothered to put effort in and so therefor because prot takes effort it’s too weak”
rain dune
You're the reason we get declined from M+
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
^^
fossil basalt
Lol
chilly brook
Go play a DK or something
ionic ridge
@chilly brook no please, it's not everybody who can commit to that, at least he had the honesty of saying he's not a good player
Not everyone can commit to prot
sick sentinel
prot is about 20% knowing the mechanics of every boss and every trash, 20% gear and 60% skill IMO
hexed geyser
True but people looooove flaming others
ionic ridge
I'd say more about 35% mechanics, 35% skill, 35% gear
grand mountain
Prot state could be better but you can still tank everything
It jus isn’t faceroll
ionic ridge
Cuz you can't React to a mechanic you do'nt know
hexed geyser
I don’t understand this skill you speak off honestly am 365 with 800 score and am telling you I can literally feel how weak we are with me doing perfect rotation and getting chunked like crazy
sick sentinel
@ionic ridge that's 105%
chilly brook
I mean he has four options, he can play something else that’s far better suited to his self proclaimed skill level. He can keep playing prot and having a horrible experience. He can keep playing prot and actually derive enjoyment from improving as a player. Or he can just simply quit. @ionic ridge
astral crystal
this week is a bad week to go off when evaluating your strengths and weaknesses
fort/teeming is wrecking tanks all over
ionic ridge
@sick sentinel 30% gear*
chilly brook
@hexed geyser it’s not flaming it’s simply the truth. You’re going to get chunked as any tank this week
Fort teeming was always rough even in legion
hexed geyser
I see
ionic ridge
I'd say it's level an alt week xD
hexed geyser
I didn’t tank in legion at all so didn’t know
sick sentinel
@hexed geyser what healers do you get mostly?
hexed geyser
Druid and holy paladins
valid gorge
You could respond to a newish player coming here proclaiming he feels weak as prot by telling him how he could improve and get the most out of his prot spec and what issues we are currently having, or you could say: lol prot is fine learn to play and contribute to the perception problem we are currently facing
good job.
sick sentinel
holy palas are ❤
rain dune
He came in and said fuck blizz I quit
sick sentinel
resto druids are 🤢
chilly brook
@valid gorge except he didn’t
rain dune
And didn't ask for help or anything else
valid gorge
he was venting
chilly brook
He blamed blizz and raged
valid gorge
there is nothing wrong with venting
merry cave
ive actually found hly pals are pretty shit with wars
grim prism
merry cave
druids are much nicer
sick sentinel
depends on your playstyle I guess?
chilly brook
He clearly stated he wasn’t willing to improve @valid gorge
sick sentinel
I pull big and use everything and they use everything and we kill them all
valid gorge
No he didn't
marble pelican
i'm lucky that I just started playing prot after fury for so long lol. I can't tell if i'm doing it wrong or not, I live we don't wipe I feel I've accomplished my job
valid gorge
if you can't see how this kind of reaction/narrative is only making things worse I can't help you
marble pelican
what did I miss
grim prism
I feel like the best course of action when someone rolls in and says FUCK THIS I QUIT the best course of action is probably just ignoring it
chilly brook
Someone comes in here declines to tell you what his problems is other than “too easy to die” and continues to whine about the class is clearly declining to improve
valid gorge
either ignore it or respond to it constructively
grim prism
Instead of antagonizing and perpetuating the same horseshit that had been making this place unbearable lately
marble pelican
i say fuck this i quit to my wife daily, she just rolls her eyes and walks away lol
static pilot
I take it Griff told someone unhappy with prot to fuck off again?
knotty ermine
"Don't let the door hit you on the way back in" is my wife's go-to
chilly brook
@static pilot yes I did
knotty ermine
Confident, that one
marble pelican
i also feel, that lately, from what I've seen, people are trolling more and more, its the cool thing to do. Jump on a bandwagon. If your solution is to quit everytime it doesn't go your way, you have a long life ahead. Go play Fortnite, they have tutors!
static pilot
well, at least you're honest about it
valid gorge
Well at least it's not a passive agressive response Carnivale
Mine would probably just say "yes dear" and ignore it completely
D:
chilly brook
I’m always honest 😉
marble pelican
@valid gorge we have 2 kids 2 dogs and years of marriage, she's given up responding lol
valid gorge
I'm in a similar situation minus the kids ;D
marble pelican
i have a 9 year old and 10 month old....yeah
valid gorge
no sleep for you
knotty ermine
Lol to be fair, I've never actually said it in earnest. Only now hitting our 5 year and 2 kids mark
marble pelican
i'm 41 and she wants another lol
grim prism
@marble pelican ✂
static pilot
so you live in a permanent state of being triggered?
valid gorge
I know you are <3
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
knotty ermine
It's usually tied to, idk, coming home after thinking about my leftovers all day, and someone decided to break our 24 hour embargo on each other's food, thus ruining the entire night for me
sick sentinel
let's change the convo
static pilot
that sounds stressful 😦
cinder bridge
so I'm actually just not tanking this week
knotty ermine
You know... the finer points of married life.
cinder bridge
m+
ionic ridge
@wild axle the silent warden of Skyhold
sick sentinel
my gut tells me to keep the 360
final mist
You should keep the 360.
valid gorge
riot shield imo