@pine crescent what weights are you referring to?
#protection
prisma crane
undone sun
likewise, only if you moved on your own
knotty ermine
Probably not effectively using your cds, and just spamming them, if I had to guess @open estuary
undone sun
if you got forcefully moved it didn't cancel
mellow bridge
For me the issue with NF wasn't the strength of the spell itself, but just it not feeling good to use
cinder nova
Mostly because you really never sat in the whole channel
pine crescent
once you put your stats, it recalculates, and I thought it could give you stst weights for pawn and alike
mellow bridge
Just standing there and channeling.. Idk
undone sun
NF was very niche
mellow bridge
Not what I play warrior for
undone sun
i'm not disagreeing with that
gaunt coyote
foe breaker 🤔
daring marlin
Which is why I liked the pally one better.
finite cairn
i need more buttons that make me scream and yell, and it needs to be heard by my entire raid, even if they play with sound off
undone sun
but when it worked it was very strong
steel mauve
you really only used NF on a few fights to surive a massive melee swing ability
prisma crane
@mellow bridge pretty much exactly, strong AF where we used it, but clunky to use since GCD and not moving was just lame, not to mention the tiny ass piss poor flame it put out
finite cairn
NF was nice for spellbade
cinder nova
Anything blockable
undone sun
it definitely had some major flaws
mellow bridge
Yea the flame actually looked pathetic lmao
cinder nova
I'd honestly want it back
steel mauve
there are literally no stat weights for prot @pine crescent
undone sun
the damage output was very weak unless it was on like 20 targets when TC and Rev were on CD
daring marlin
with what we have now lol
knotty ermine
100-110 levelling strat was "pull everything in the entire zone. Okay pop avatar and NF"
finite cairn
i wouldnt mind it back since it would give us more block uptime
knotty ermine
rinse, repeat
finite cairn
and i'll take anything for that
knotty ermine
so many big numbers, so many dead mobs
prisma crane
but stuff we can block isnt what's killing us anyways
pine crescent
well I thought it could give me some advice, ty anyway
prisma crane
it's dots and bleeds and other magic dmg
cinder nova
Also would help if they made literally anything in Uldir blockable
finite cairn
thats true
steel mauve
just go ilvl > haste > vers = mastery > crit
prisma crane
@pine crescent just a priority in the guide on IV, ilvl over all, then haste, vers>=mastery>>> crit
steel mauve
literally 5 ilvls is an upgrade unless its a ring or socket, very easy
daring marlin
daring marlin
I have 1123 crit right now 😂
knotty ermine
Wait... you mean to tell me that representation could possibly be skewed additionally to the fact that our greatest strength is being neutralized by current content?
steel mauve
not on rings, 5-10 ilvls can be used for optimal stats
knotty ermine
Absurd.
cinder nova
Maybe in legion
steel mauve
even now in bfa, no str or armor on rings, means ilvl doesnt really win
open estuary
So what you're saying is the loads of magic damage is why only 5% of tanks are prot warriors rn?
sick sentinel
🤔
knotty ermine
unblockable =/= magic, but I would say it has something to do with it, yes.
prisma crane
ironically @open estuary we're better equipped for magic dmg than others
which is what makes us even more sad
and we're 8% of tanks, not 5% 😛
sick sentinel
protadins can block magic.
cinder nova
Only if that magic damage is one big predictable hit
sick sentinel
spell warding blessing.
knotty ermine
I'm saying that, our greatest strength is neutralized by not having a lot of blockable damage.
prisma crane
well IP is flat 50% up to our cap as well
daring marlin
we've covered spellwarding and how it's incredibly niche
prisma crane
affects magic dmg
undone sun
Side note; Paladin block isn't guaranteed though
cinder nova
Also isn't it a cd
daring marlin
9/10 you don't even wanna use it on yourself
sick sentinel
neither is rage 100% of the time for IP.
cinder nova
They need to make more shit blockable and I'm sure we'll feel better
open estuary
Does blocking not give rage anymore either?
undone sun
nope
cinder nova
Blocking doesn't
prisma crane
we need 2 globals minimum to get enough rage for an IP (unless you DS) and then another global for IP so it's also slow
cinder nova
Taking damage does, but it's fixed
prisma crane
slow is very un prot warrior
steel mauve
well melee's
open estuary
Did the changes to IP costs hurt us that bad too?
undone sun
definitely didn't help
prisma crane
scaling hurt us more than cost
and the low cap as well
so in the event we have time to actually pool it, we're limited
undone sun
from personal experience IP feels very unimpactful to press
prisma crane
yep
prisma crane
doesnt even feel like it slows my death
open estuary
^
daring marlin
or I'm getting trucked in big pulls, I guess.
prisma crane
and when i do spam it (motherlode) i felt like im wasting my time
daring marlin
just swap the revenge for an IP here and there.
and it sucks cuz muh deepees goes down
ocean acorn
do people feel sometimes on ST combat you have low rage gains
cinder nova
The only time I've noticed ignore pain make any difference is when I'm stacking it up in preparation for zekvoz
daring marlin
My monk cotanks doesn't wanna take the double lash
he wants me to taunt after shatter
I just take them both then he taunts
I take like no damage
finite cairn
call him a weakling
daring marlin
Between SR/IP it's laughable.
cinder nova
Fotm usually is weak players riding good mechanics
prisma crane
toolkits*
cinder nova
Saw a lot of it when there was an upswing of warriors in atb
noble sierra
Does anyone have a pawn string for protection warrior stats? Can't seem to find a decent one
cinder nova
Garbage warriors with no CD management
undone sun
Don't use pawn for tanks
prisma crane
@noble sierra cuz there isnt one
noble sierra
I've been trying to max haste
atomic gazelle
lord, tough week this week
prisma crane
@noble sierra only do that if you're not sacrificing ilvl
ilvl is more important in most cases
cinder nova
Gearing prot right now is pretty brainless
undone sun
ilevel > haste
cinder nova
Don't they proc separately
undone sun
no
open estuary
Seems like it takes a lot more forethought to play prot and perform at the median than other tanking classes right now, I think thats whats painting it as "weak" rn
daring marlin
fuck you, atal'dazar!
waxen sleet
so having AV would be ideal then right?
undone sun
it's an above average trait, yeah
cinder nova
Av is our waifu yeah
prisma crane
@open estuary well, it's more like, we have to play exceptionally well to match performance of a simpler tank played at average or above average skill
gaunt coyote
high floor
prisma crane
the additional risk of playing prot would be nice if it came with a reward of some kind, but atm our reward is that we have more free time with all the groups we dont get invited to
haughty minnow
Hello, so there is Reddit post about how shit wars are atm, and that they need rework, and should be brought up to the level of other tanks. While I agree that prot could use some QoL changes, it feels like rather than buff wars, other tanks should have their absurd levels of sustain and AM uptime nerfed.
cinder nova
Our bear tank is killing my parses but he also dies two lasers and doesn't know how to position bosses and keeps getting hit by surgical
sick sentinel
🤔
daring marlin
Prot paladins have similar AM uptimes.
sick sentinel
seeing this convo again
open estuary
Maybe the answer is buffing passive mitigation, but like others were saying earlier, there's not enough blockable abilities
daring marlin
They just have nice utility with the absurd interrupts they have.
prisma crane
well my cotank is a DK, he's not terrible but he makes a lot of those same stupid mistakes over and over again, so im sure he plays similar as well, but he still dies on average the same or less often than i do
daring marlin
And certain other spells like blessings.
cinder nova
He told our interviewer that in vanilla a gild randomly picked him up and carried him through naxx
daring marlin
prot pally is fun af
even with LotP being on GCD
that shit made me rage hard when 8.0 dropped lol
cinder nova
Guilford is krom in disguise?
haughty minnow
LotP isn't spammable like ip
cinder nova
Kek
haughty minnow
So it's not too bad
prisma crane
well we went from T21 2p and AM going 100 mph, to BFA and chugging along in neighborhoods at 10 miles under the speedlimit
daring marlin
They also upped the CD.
cinder nova
The ATB engine was so perfectly done
gaunt coyote
they also increased consecrations duration so you would have a gap to use it
daring marlin
I should level my DK and Druid next just to play around with them.
Druid was just soooooooo boooooooooring in Legion.
prisma crane
from what i hear, it's no better now
only at least in legion you were top dog for a long time
daring marlin
I can't imagine it would be. All they did was...take shit away.
undone sun
yeah it's still not the most engaging tank
prisma crane
druids are prob the only tank less represented than we are in M+
robust urchin
They already posted plans for shamans in 8.1 do you think they started overall working on class balance for next patch?
prisma crane
so i would feel bad for them, but fuck that, they had the entire last expac
robust urchin
You think warriors are getting adjusted?
prisma crane
im not holding my breath
undone sun
we can only hope ¯_(ツ)_/¯
astral crystal
dont worry, 8.1 will feature changes to the druid kit to make it more viable in m+ while we get an aoe dmg nerf
undone sun
shamans just got a change
cinder nova
They really were only ever chosen because of Roar, and they're really big Health cool. They're survivability and wasn't all that amazing in terms of curbing damage
daring marlin
At most we'll get different traits and that's all.
I don't think they're gonna do much else.
prisma crane
i 100% see us getting a dmg nerf only because we beat dps in aoe
robust urchin
they wanna change a bunch for elemental in 8.1
daring marlin
I sure hope not.
undone sun
yeh
prisma crane
even if overall we dont
daring marlin
man
I almost wish I was a LF Draenei.
Just to see the burst I could do on AoE packs.
I love that racial.
prisma crane
was OP AF for prot pallies
daring marlin
It still does quite well on mine.
prisma crane
well it would do like 3million per target in legion
undone sun
same
cinder nova
If they shit on our damage without giving us some serious benefits defensively
I might just up and drop out of sheer disinterest
undone sun
i had nearly zero interest when it was announced, still zero interest in this latest announcement
grim prism
Same tbh
robust urchin
holy shit
daring marlin
Asserite pisses me off the most, I think.
grim prism
Do you see why I didnt want to be an officer now @undone sun lol
iron forum
I didn't see prot warrior changes though 🤷
undone sun
lol
grim prism
This is probs my last few weeks of wow the way things are shaking out
iron forum
im giving it at least until 8.1 to see what they can fix
cinder nova
I definitely wont quit wow
But I might just go back to being an arena rat
and RPing like a shitass
¯_(ツ)_/¯
daring marlin
Me either. I'm liking some of them changes like the champs of azeroth one.
Rep grinding is garbage.
cinder nova
To give them credit there is only one thing so far in BFA that I will give cudos on
And that is World Quests. They got WAY faster. Each quest is done much quicker.
daring marlin
Yeah.
daring marlin
Though the Argus ones were much better than the OG Legion WQs.
gaunt coyote
yeah
cinder nova
%?
gaunt coyote
4
gaunt coyote
no vantus runes
vocal nimbus
they had some 4, 5, 6 % tries
cinder nova
Do they normally stream first kills?
vocal nimbus
this is the first time
gaunt coyote
still unsure if limit can take it with no day raiding
gaunt coyote
yeah, they are better at class stacking
gaunt coyote
its more than possible all of limit calls in sick from work
dark junco
Do you think the thread that was made on reddit for us will make the dev make some changes to us? I’m always a bit worried when they don’t communicate theur goals ans they just do blanket changes
gaunt coyote
THey wanted to make changes in beta
dark junco
“Reduced thunderclap damage by 33%” “Added Shield Wall to the GCD”
gaunt coyote
they gave up and threw ignore pain back
dark junco
“Removed DC from azerite traits”
sick sentinel
did prot get any changes today?
undone sun
no
dark junco
No!
knotty ermine
Blizzard cares about class fantasy, and they want to make sure you stay e n r a g e d
dark junco
Only throwing in some dumb idea I fear they’ll do
final mist
You guys gotta chill with the overly pessimistic bullshit.
I don't mind this place having a lounge-type feel to it - I prefer it, actually - but it's real tiresome whenever I come in here and just see people constantly gangbanging the negativity juice.
knotty ermine
I was just going for a pun. I'm actually quite optimistic even about the current state of prot, as my post history shows.
cloud bone
I'm curious how much something like that reddit post is going to affect how to develop prot
knotty ermine
Wait... was that actually a pun from you?
dark junco
They do xheck reddit
cloud bone
budget priest buff
final mist
They're a buff for if you don't have a priest in your group.
broken kite
It's for when you don't have a war
dark junco
^
knotty ermine
You run with a priest? If so, dont need em. If not, good question.
dark junco
Theres 1 for each buff
cloud bone
^
broken kite
They are lost when you die fyi
cloud bone
although we only care about 2 of them
broken kite
@dark junco I don't expect any changes/responses re prot
dark junco
(I miss spirit lol)
broken kite
I don't believe we've had any responses to feedback in BFA..?
chilly brook
I miss anything fun in the last few hours?
digital arrow
That's the spirit
fresh tendon
Totally didn't know you get to pick between two pvp chests from the weekly cp cap. The 2nd one with brace is an easy snag
chilly brook
Iirc the pvp shoulders have DC
Uhhh that’s the second CP cap
First was a weapon
Second is chest
fresh tendon
First was wpn, and 2nd was chest
chilly brook
Right....
Which was why I asked about the third one lol
Since this is week 3 of pvp season
fresh tendon
Derp, words are hard. I didn't see shoulders, I'll go and look.
chilly brook
And you can do all the previous CP caps and current if you’re behind
daring marlin
Ever have that friend that plays a spec but constantly bitches about it?
feelsgoodman
I'm a Mage so I like changing what spec I DPS as
chilly brook
Yep as in gloves or shoulders?
daring marlin
fucking hate frost
fresh tendon
Absolutely, an affliction lock buddy....
daring marlin
bitch why are you playing it then
fresh tendon
I'm away atm, I meant yep as in going back and doing the older ones.
chilly brook
RIP
stuck oxide
Everyone should upvote this thread and contribute to it https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gshu0/protection_warrior_needs_a_rework_immediately/
daring marlin
Ahah, one of them has DC too.
lusty grotto
ctrl+f nimchip
hot locust
What if they don't agree with it and are sick of all the hyperbolic statements about how bad prot is?
sick sentinel
😂
daring marlin
wew lala coming in hot
grim prism
Then downvote like I did
lusty grotto
heres my contribution https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gshu0/protection_warrior_needs_a_rework_immediately/e672p2a/
😄
frigid blaze
tfw you got a 355 helm from uldir but you can't use it because you lose Deafening Crash. #feelsbadman
lusty grotto
got a haste mastery ring, not bad
daring marlin
charge on gcd complaint is weak
sick sentinel
🤷
daring marlin
DG on GCD is much more annoying 😃
grim prism
@frigid blaze mother helm is bis if im not mistaken
dark junco
@hot locust Then just do like nothing is wrong.
grim prism
Assuming you have DC elsewhere
dark junco
Yeah at @grim prism
frigid blaze
It is, but I don't have DC
dark junco
Its pretty uber awesome
frigid blaze
Only on my helm 😦
daring marlin
Azerite Veins on mother helm baby
dark junco
Yeah
lusty grotto
cough
daring marlin
I need more AV pieces so I can appreciate it more I think.
also laser matrix nerf makes me sad
lusty grotto
oh shi
stuck oxide
@lala saying prot isnt far away from monk in raids or DK in M+ is just behing blinds. Just look at logs
lusty grotto
in raids /sigh
hot locust
I've looked at logs plenty
stuck oxide
And you are not maining prot warrior right now anyways lala
hot locust
?
final mist
He is.
final mist
😬
hot locust
seeing as I'm the most progressed one.
Glad you know more about me than I do though @stuck oxide
Anything else i should know?
grim prism
Yikes
lusty grotto
oof
ocean acorn
ouch
lusty grotto
in other news: how does the stupid tank lockout work on arathi
if i did it like 3 days ago, i shouldn't get loot right?
lusty grotto
ok got it, thanks
steel mauve
so basically every like 2 weeks or so
potent zephyr
@stuck oxide get rekt
hot locust
Xeos pls
grim prism
be nice guy
sick sentinel
Deafening crash too good.
stuck oxide
Sorry i heard you said you probably play prot pal on skyhold talks
hot locust
That was Sal.
sick sentinel
Think I'm using 340 wq shoulders for mine.
hot locust
I did say I enjoy paladin though.
sick sentinel
355 AoC helm
sick sentinel
Yeah I have a substantial bank of 340-370 azerite armors.
final mist
And I don't exclusively play Paladin either, so don't try whiping that dick at me either Fuzza.
sick sentinel
1pc of each
steel mauve
told my raid leader i was going to have to start dpsing mother on normal and heroic -.-
being the add tank blows, im doing fuck all the entire fight
final mist
Welcome to tanking, where one of the two jobs always sucks.
undone sun
or in bfa, all the jobs suck ass
grim prism
be like my old GM and taunt on cooldown to flex nuts in discord
final mist
Either you're the bitch tank, or you're the lit tank.
final mist
shut up thyme, ur bad
undone sun
i know...
steel mauve
i dont mind shit jobs, but a job where you're literally doing nothing i cant handle
final mist
that's because it's mfn R A I D D A Y boys
grim prism
:pump:
final mist
stuck oxide
Well i think the tank who is actially tanking mother is doing nothing compared to the add tank
raven kernel
u can 1 tank taloc and mother easily on norm/heroic
steel mauve
i dont even need to stun the adds, they die within a stun from the shaman or dh im sent with first
stuck oxide
Mythic right?
steel mauve
and they die like 3-4 seconds into avatar lol
nah normal and heroic, im gonna need to tank mythic
final mist
The adds actually live more than one or two GCDs in mythic.
undone sun
yikes
final mist
Clutch that's toxic.
lucid ginkgo
No, that's being cheeky.
steel mauve
and im sad raid for me isnt until the weekend 😢
winter skiff
galecaller beak or rezans eye?
knotty ermine
No, that's Becky
sinful dune
Is the 'Glory in Battle' azerite trait (chance to proc small haste amount) better than Callous Reprisal (revenge applies -damage debuff)
sinful dune
Glory in Battle isn't listed there though
lusty grotto
therefore callous is better
steel mauve
theres a reason
sinful dune
ok, thanks
steel mauve
only the arathi one
hazy path
how are we feeling about [Galecaller's Beak]
mystic trellis
370 Iron Fortress+Strength in numbers or 340 Brace for Impact+Winds of War+Impassive Visage ?
steel mauve
easily the 370
steel mauve
you only drop ilvl for the DC trait
mystic trellis
Yeah I guess i just dont want to reforge it for arms all the time haha
winter skiff
im not sure if i should use the beak over jes howler
lusty grotto
really depends on the ilvl
galecaller is decent
macro it to avatar or whatever
but jes howler is more of a defensive trinket i think due to the versa... so depends on the situation
fresh dragon
wheat bronze
I think he's memeing
or he's asking if anyone has seen anything about prot being mentioned since elemental has been mentioned
vivid sage
The Stun Duration in combination with the Gcd of Shockwave is a joke. You stun for 2 seconds, but have 1 second Gcd. So you have a stun for 1 second...
on that reddit post
it got over 4k upvotes
If you are out of Rage in a moment you need to evade dmg, we have nothing to do
gaunt coyote
Sco is confident limit will win
vivid sage
that post made me ill
gaunt coyote
Feelsbadman
junior ivy
how do you get a pvp weekly chest?
vivid sage
need to conq cap
junior ivy
whats that
gaunt coyote
is it conq?
gaunt coyote
conquest is that bar in the pvp interface
junior ivy
how do i get conquest
gaunt coyote
rated
vivid sage
and you get pts
gaunt coyote
you can also get it by just daily casual bgs if you dont care about the reward
vivid sage
once you hit 500 conq you will get a reward, and your chest will open next week
vivid sage
i think it's faster if you win
prisma crane
i think conquest only comes from wins
vivid sage
you very well could be right
undone sun
probably for offensive reasons but i wouldn't defensively
iron forum
same, shame that you can get that as prot loot spec
restive anchor
got a 380 Mchimba's Ritual Bandages... IDK how to feel about that
hollow kite
how much IL would be ok to drop for a ring with better stats
sick sentinel
effect was really bad i had 340 first week changed back to 325 because of stats but maybe for damage its worth i dont know
daring marlin
tfw a rogue is whining that I'm taking a bunch of damage
this motherfucker stacked quaking on me the whole run
? ? ?
It only hits me for 20k
LOL
digital arrow
LMAO
lusty grotto
sounds like a good lad
but seriously i had that happen more times than i can count on legion
inland mesa
when you get jebaited by items having the same damn icon c'thraxxi binders pauldrons vs pauldrons of the great unifier 😦 but it's 45 ilvls, I dunno if I want to lose DC D: D:
for reinforced plating
I cry
daring marlin
love it
inland mesa
guess I'll try it on heroic reclear tonight, it's only 9.1k hp upgrade, but 161 str upgrade too hmmm
west kayak
Trying to figure out if wearing Haste gear is worth the 5ilvl drop...
floral rock
45 ilvls is pretty insane
west kayak
356ilvl and I am at 26% Haste. Drop down to 351ilvl and I am at 35% Haste.
steel mauve
no its not, no stat is worth dropping ilvl for, unless its on rings then only 5-10 ilvls depending on itemization i believe
west kayak
Thats almost 10% Haste though. I only lose 7k HP and 123 Str.
amber siren
Dropping 5 total ilvl isn't worth the haste at all
steel mauve
still not worth 5 total ilvls, thats how close our stats are together, secondaries are extremely close, so you wouldnt just be losing the hp and str, you would be losing a total stat budget just for 1 stat
haste might be our best stat, but its actually not that far above every other stat, thats why ilvl wins, of course on same ilvl gear the haste wins, but total stat budget wins over haste
midnight ferry
fortified teeming, prot warrior can sign up as DPS for M+ this week
sick sentinel
🤔
crystal night
are healing parses for Prot warriors worth a damn?
undone sun
no
north dove
You should still take advantage of self heals though
crystal night
people tell me going for damage parses as a tank is bad, you guys tell me healing isnt worth a damn so how do you gauge yourself?
just % mitigated?
brave jetty
What's the proper timing for taunting during Taloc cudgel?
We always ignore it
But I'd like to have it right for higher difficulties
Immediately after cast?
steel mauve
before
at 98 energy his first cudgel
after that energy doesnt line up and its on a dbm timer, taunt 1-2 seconds before the dbm timer goes away
sick sentinel
what secondary stats are you guys stacking in general
steel mauve
ya the i heard the proc rate on severer is ass
waxen cradle
Taloc feels like almost a incomplete fight on Mythic... granted yes its the first fight but as a tank I kept expecting something more
steel mauve
its first raid of the expac, i wouldnt be expecting much
waxen cradle
This is true, but is that a excuse to just say as for the devs * meh its the first raid lets just say fuck it*
steel mauve
the first raids have always been simplistic as warm up ort starter raids
waxen cradle
Yeah this is true
steel mauve
usually the start of an expansion is when we see a larger influx of just new players to the game, or players who want to raid for the first time, so we dont really want overly complex full of mechanics raids right out of the gate
waxen cradle
I find myself asking if they said meh as to designing the fights in a more challenging way for the first raid why did other aspects of the game not see more development time... such as I don't know classes
More or less the mindset of if we spend less time here then we can spend more time here... now I know development is split into specific teams, but the idea still holds true
steel mauve
because beta for azerothfelt pretty rushed imo
waxen cradle
I will say the testing phase for players outside of internal testing felt more rushed, but you can hardly say your surprised they are trying to push content slightly faster... however they do need to commit to either a decision of more time in development for quality expansions/content, or shorter development/testing phases because doing both is not working, and being a post beta tester is getting old
Gets a bit worn out when we hear after the release of a expansion that... * yeah we now realize this decision was a mistake* ...when any player whom has ever tested before knows they have had more then enough quality feedback to steer them in the right direction
zinc trail
Is gear with sockets always better than gear without sockets or is it only worth it if it is within a certain item level like 15 item levels?
steel mauve
within a certain ilvl
rain oracle
how much haste do we need to reduce our shield block
undone sun
Any amount of haste will reduce the SB CD
solemn rain
Hello everyone! I got the trink off the world boss tonight upgraded to 265 which is STR with on use haste buff for 15 sec. Tanking M+ would you stack it with Avatar for large burst on trash or use as it's own CD to provide a longer period of haste buff? I think for raids I'd just stack it...thanks!
solemn rain
Cool thx! with only 45 sec cooldown it should be up for every Avatar.
digital arrow
some pug said i suck cuz i pulled slow on siege
like bitch i'd rather do that than wipe
we made it on time anyway
amber siren
just die looooooool
digital arrow
it was my first time doing siege +5 😦
junior ivy
one shotted ghuun on normal!
digital arrow
congrats!!
crystal night
is 60% mitigated good? https://gyazo.com/31489fac51d543d38d5fc830162b66a0
lucid kelp
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QvcgtJYX94ydk82b#fight=20&type=summary so how many times did I fuck up?
chilly brook
TBH I find it refreshing that there are three fights that don't actually require outright tank swaps
balmy narwhal
astral crystal
only 133 prot warr parses for mythic mother
hot locust
Oof
undone sun
yup
pseudo depot
dammit not stalwart?
fringe marten
you prefer quick nav over stalwart nav?
dusky mica
Did anyone ever submit a bug about the bloodsport azerite trait?
The leech number is a bit low, no? By a factor of 10 at least.
fringe marten
So stronk~!
dusky mica
on mythic?
winter skiff
yeah quick nav or stalwart is the real question
dusky mica
prot still feels shit with 80% haste
daring marlin
LOL
dusky mica
go to stormsong valley, theres a limited item you can drink, gives you 50% haste, try it out
obsidian stone
Just got a 390 Vectis trinket...is this worthless for Prot?
dusky mica
the pirate camps around the drained lake, rock elemental area
quasi fulcrum
do u need?
daring marlin
put that shit in my inventory
undone sun
idek what trinket it is
obsidian stone
Syringe of bloodborne something
daring marlin
I got the disc on my paladin 🐓
obsidian stone
It replaces a 350 Rezans so I'm sure its worth it for the Strength alone
dusky mica
There's no trinket choices anyway and it will do some decent dps
My only loot from the raid has been a 375 Ghuun Trinket
personal loot is THE BEST in BFA
undone sun
indeed
dusky mica
It's OK though, all our shaman have a Ghuun shield.
¬_¬
The No ML for guild groups is really boneheaded.
waxen cradle
well to be fair Blizz did decide they hated them almost as bad as us
but they are getting fixed
so I mean they have to give them something
loot seems fair
dusky mica
I'm pretty salty over this loot system overall
cleared all dungeons and the raid every week, done loads of m+. Shields dropped since expac launch = 0.
Only way I got one was from chopping trees in the warfront.
feels real good
waxen cradle
I will just file my understanding of there decisions under they are too brilliant for my understanding overall says sarcastically
digital arrow
i was in the same boat, i ran tol dagor all day until i got a shield to drop
idgaf
make my own luck
did that like a whole week
atal, underrot, etc
dusky mica
I do the same, I only do the shield m+ dungeons
I even take pallies and shaman
and let me tell you, m+ is hard with shaman :P
waxen cradle
I mean your already taking your Warrior and according to the great streamer Sco we suck so taking a shaman you must just hate yourself
dusky mica
Hate the game more than myself to be fair
And the guild shaman all have Ghuun shields so it should be a shoe in!
waxen cradle
Yeah this is true
dusky mica
We used to be able to craft shields in the old days
All BS can make now is belt and legs, ofc with RNG stats
waxen cradle
Craft a good shield = logic.... logic does not compute... brain explodes
dusky mica
Can the weekly chest of disappointment drop weapons?
chilly brook
Yes
broken kite
Yes
dusky mica
I'll just have to pray for a 395 shield of the gods.
chilly brook
Hence why it’s a disappointment
chilly brook
Any week you don’t get a shield or a azerite piece with DC is just aids
broken kite
If you've got elpuls spare for stat rerolls
chilly brook
Use roll tokens
dusky mica
you dont get the expulsom back, so rerolling for stats gets real tedious
broken kite
.. Don't play a game with rng?
waxen cradle
I wonder if we can petition to get it named that.. at least then if you do not get disappointed then your overjoyed with happiness
chilly brook
At LeAsT bLiZz GaVe Me A tRaNsMoG wEaPoN oFf M tAlOc
waxen cradle
grats man
feels good huh ? I mean hey thats a transmog you did not have before... I mean the collection
chilly brook
I feel cheated
cinder nova
Any tips for tanking the young?
waxen cradle
You play WoW I would assume your used to it
cinder nova
On GHUUUUN
cinder nova
I mean geographicaly
chilly brook
Pull to the three on the right
cinder nova
Those stupid debuffs constantly making my life hell
old dawn
I try to make sure that I keep them in Ghuuns room
chilly brook
Over to where the worm will spawn
waxen cradle
Tank them and don't do the death thing... people get mad when you do the death thing, but to be fair were Warriors so we do it better then most
chilly brook
By the time you get there, the beam should be about ready to go off
cinder nova
Wait
how fast does your group do the orbs
because we're getting a second young
and worm
upbeat folio
I'm trying to get a good grasp of Uldir before I do some pugging. Is the tanknotes guide in the pins solid?
cinder nova
before the beam drops
raven kernel
Do orbs faster
Shouldn't get 2nd young
Or big worm
Even if you do its not an issue if the beam comes quickly after
viral pollen
do you cap at 40% haste?
daring marlin
no
viral pollen
I got a tooltip in uldir that said (haste on this target 40%)
when i was at 41%
so iw as jsut curious
weary python
Got a 375 shield off vectis tonight but didn't have a chance to try it out
Gotta give it a go tomorrow after work.
finite cairn
if i remember right, into the fray isn't exactly 3% so it could be something fucky with that going on, character sheet says 41% but tooltip says 40% cause its not exactly 41%
forest fern
has anyone done any research yet into how powerful archive of the titans is for us vs the standard bis traits?
or at how many weekly stacks it might overpower the others
finite cairn
its updated on the icyveins page, tldr is, they're good
forest fern
oh okay cool thanks
worthy karma
at this point, is there any fights where stam flasks are gonna be better than str?
merry cave
The fight to not spend much gold
timber nest
define "decent"
sinful vortex
you can use it and still succeed
shut summit
can spell reflect the vuln debuff on vectis when omega vector is jumping btw
is p big for mythic
sinful vortex
what happens to the vector? does it go back to the person who had it or?
shut summit
it still bounces to closest person
but the debuff that increased nature dmg is reflected
sinful vortex
oh
iron forum
prot is pretty bad for m+ if we're being honest. If you want a serious answer, its that it has a much higher skill requirement by relying on smartly using your defensives proactively instead of reactively much moreso than other tanks, and isn't any more rewarding in terms of survivability when it actually is played well, we lack the utility that other tanks have, and we have no mitigation for anything other than auto attacks (magic dmg or unblockable physical attacks)
shut summit
so you can soak every other (SR is up for each) and get no vuln
sinful vortex
yea thats pretty good
shut summit
when vector is about to fade
so under 5sec
and its long enough that you can do it nonstop
its pretty ridic
raven kernel
@iron forum pretty wrong there
But keep regurgitating the same old
@shut summit oh when fading
Nice
iron forum
okay, tell me why the top prot warrior tank in m+ is in 50'th place then
shut summit
aint been pushing whatsoever, when i was it was top 10 for awhile
been busy wit irl
but ye people just reroll to w.e is seen as strongest, it isnt surprising
raven kernel
Using top 50 to argue that prot is bad for m+ is fucking idiotic
shut summit
(i'm not saying its actually OP or top tank, don't misconstrue)
raven kernel
So any dk player that isn't in top 50 is trash too huh
iron forum
using what the top players are playing to determine what is good is idiotic? okay, not sure how that's logical at all
raven kernel
Prot isn't the best, doesn't mean it's bad
hearty crater
Underrot with Teeming is nasty......
raven kernel
"we have no mitigation for anything other than auto attacks"
Shows how uneducated about prot you are
sinful vortex
well you just miss the fact that top players are going to play the best spec(s) so even if spec a is only a little worse than spec b every hardcore tanks likely gonna play tank a
iron forum
lol idk if youre trolling, do I need to specify that that's not literally true?
raven kernel
So you intentionally wrote a factually wrong statement to justify your rhetoric that prot is bad for m+
iron forum
I figured people are smart enough o read between the lines
elder steppe
Just watch @shut summit vods and don’t worry what others are doing
raven kernel
Basically your credibility is zero
elder steppe
Play the game the way you want
iron forum
yeah sorry lemme include a four minute cd and a 30 sec 20% dmg reduction cd, those are some realllll strong, reliable tools there for magic dmg
youre just cherrypicking my phrasing while ignoring the whole point of the statement
raven kernel
Also missing demo shout and ip
brisk atlas
I mean i don’t take much damage
raven kernel
Your opinion as a whole is gutter trash
iron forum
cool, same as you im sure then
raven kernel
Don't post broad misleading statements that are not factually correct
elder steppe
Lol
wise monolith
why do i take less damage but i die more?
raven kernel
If you dont like prot you can fuck off
wise monolith
less than other tank
elder steppe
Because your healers are used to Tank self healing
brisk atlas
Honestly fury and prot aren’t to hot rn and arms is really the only useful spec for warriors as of rn
elder steppe
Not the best, but viable
wise monolith
are we expecting any changes next update?
brisk atlas
Yeah but they still suck donkey balls compared to what else there is like why take a fury warrior when you could a hunter or a dh
elder steppe
Obviously we want it to play better. Personally I enjoy the challenge and style of Warrior tanking
raven kernel
People that are jaded with prot need to stop spouting factually wrong rubbish to justify their incapability with the class
It's extremely misleading and further kills the community opinion of prot
hot locust
mfw my raid has a fury and a prot in every raid kill this tier so far 🤔
elder steppe
Fury has strong personals and self healing
If a group is struggling with raid health, or what have you swapping is very viable from Arms
winter skiff
How to handle fortified? I just did tol dog plus 5 and that was tuff. I was doing plus 7-8 last week no
Prob
elder steppe
Will you do less damage? Yea
raven kernel
Kite if you need a breather
brisk atlas
Again im not saying they cant be useful but why would you take a geared fury for mythic uldir instead of a hunter or literally anything and prot is somewhat useful for mythics i guess
elder steppe
But these top tier classes and specs only matter at the top .005%
raven kernel
Even dks have to kite fortified teeming
elder steppe
Usually for fortified I like to have a slow in the group
winter skiff
What would kiting do
hearty crater
@raven kernel have you done underrot this week with teeming yet?
elder steppe
Usually prefer mage
raven kernel
Not yet
winter skiff
Dont they just do 30% more damage
elder steppe
@brisk atlas not every team/guild has those classes and specs available
hearty crater
its really nasty after first boss clearing to 2nd boss
elder steppe
Again this is very top tier thinking, class specs and availability are only a thing for mythic race contenders and the such
Where as in the general population, you could have a Fury Warrior and a Hunter same ilvl, but the Fury Warrior is just better and puts out more then the guy playing his hunter.
Now if you are talking on an individual basis, then that’s up to the person. If you want to do more damage by all means switch. It’s just how the game is and how’s its always been
digital arrow
anyone here find raider io useful?
undone sun
it's generally more accurate than wowpro
digital arrow
what's a good score to get on mythics? group finder is full of titles including "checking raider io"
digital arrow
ok
raven kernel
@shut summit is 4 vectors on same person with 0 stacks healable lmao
2 prots bouncing 4 vectors mega cheese
shut summit
yea would be stupid lol
raven kernel
Try it @_@
Too bad I'm the sole warrior in entire raid team
Oh but sr might only work on one instance of the debuff
Since the game prob treats it as 4 applications when the 4 vectors leave
shut summit
nah only 2? of them sync, others are off, wouldnt be possible
plain vapor
today was a good day for loot
got the haste/mastery ring and weapon from mythrax tonight on heroic
sick sentinel
'incapability with the class' I like that.
too true.
did a freeport +9
that was fun teeming.
thank god for warlock port skip cheese.
first time learned can skip the WHOLE AREA of trash past bridge at last boss w/ warlock, besides the 2 mobs first there.
kill the two, port to boss, kill boss safe space.
saved fat time.
tight rune
Are there any prot warriors that stream high m+?
inland mesa
I've been doing 10s, if you count that high
tight rune
yeah 10+ is what I'm looking for
inland mesa
we ran embarssing 10 tonight atal dazar 10 mins over, don't pul the entire room before priest boss XD
inland mesa
infested bezerkers are just a cruel joke
it's chewthetank on twitch, end of raid tonight after taloc and mother mythic 1 shot
well 1shot everything but g'huun cuz we special with the orbs, got a 370 vectus shield
tight tree
Was doing +10 tyrannical Waycrest yesterday. Sisters tyrannical whipped our asses. That is the fight i wished i was DK or DH, to keep myself up a bit. Healer struggled to keep us up.
tight rune
ill make sure to check out your stream
inland mesa
I feel this week is worse than last week though, more caster mobs = bad news
sister' 10 hurt, we got through it though, i think it's in a video somewhere. think we almost timed it but misocunted trash and had to go back D:
tight tree
I love warrior but cruel truth is, i need another tank to do m+. One that can carry a bit and offset weak group members.
We wiped a bunch on tree guy as well, just too much damage + people not dodging spirits ;/
Leap to fire - boss moves - fire dissapear lol
Or even better, boss is on fire, new fire spawns under him, group dies to AOE lol
inland mesa
i had 3 patches in a row disappear on me, i'm pretty sure you hear expletives
tight tree
My group heard thick russian swearing indeed
hot locust
That would be why you keep track of which ones are the new spawns.
tight tree
I am not that good apparently 💩
digital arrow
Has anyone done high mythic siege? Is the first pack of mobs bugged? They're somehow tethered to another pack that's all the way by the back wall, and they come running from way over there to us mid-fight. No feared mobs and the group is huddled by entrance
tight tree
Never seen that
inland mesa
haven't done it on teeming
digital arrow
They'll run past the fordt fountain all the way to us
Ah ok
First time doing teeming and wasnt sure of that was normal but every group I've been in says it's bugged
inland mesa
the very first pack? lust kill it run out before they get there? or kill the side ones and reset it
digital arrow
I'll try that next time
raven kernel
@sick sentinel i usually kill the 2, then the pat and the first pack
fathom marten
Did kings rest for the first time, +5 .. yeah the mobs sucks ass there
Bosses seemed easy
Teeming is what made I bad from what the grp was telling me
Mythic tools is great at first and all but it still doesnt solve the problem with knowing the specific routes to take for optimal time and mob choice. It takes someone to show you that. Sucks because most low level key people dont know either and high key people want to push so they expect tanks to know automatically.
I like mythic plus a lot but damn is it hard to start competivietly
junior ivy
does anyone know anyhting about resto druids
stark wraith
@irgotmilk @shut summit streams them too
prisma night
Does spell reflect 20% dr work on zul bleed?
undone sun
no
prisma night
So all we got is demo and wall
Damn
Im dying on fucking normal zul to the bleed. Idk what i can do. First death total healing received was 69k, 29k of which was my ip
Dmg taken 306k
Like healers dont seem to give a shit about me
junior ivy
is anyone good at vuhdo?
raven kernel
How many stacks are you taking
prisma night
My co tank is letting me get 4 stacks while still having aggro for extra melees, like fuck. Makes me look bad when people seem to be setting me up for death
raven kernel
And it's really the healers job to keep you up
Shouldn't take more than 3 if you can help it
prisma night
If he can press taunt id love it
prisma night
Next time im just gonna leap to the edge, moving zul accross the whole platform and when they ask why ill be like " maybe i shouldnt have aggro anymore"
raven kernel
I don't like leaping out cos it instantly out ranges you from healers
prisma night
Oh yeah but the first death i didnt even get to get out cuz he wouldnt taunt
Dropped pool right there
prisma night
Ughh its just frustrating
worldly ibex
guys, sorry to interrupt but... Is it just me, or teeming AD is just like hell on earth ?
worldly ibex
didn't try freehold out yet as of now
brave jetty
teeming blows quite hard
worldly ibex
couldn't even make it to totem boss tbh
next lagoon
anyone know ( couldn't find the info ) if war prot would be a little less of a shit trash in the 8.1 ?
shut summit
no changes stated yet
old zephyr
Warprot os FINE
next lagoon
sure, which is why no one want us to be tank in their raid
old zephyr
Be auqe they don't know shit
next lagoon
you have argument so i can tell my gm to back off?:) ( he want me to reroll dk/dh/monk/ cause he saw on multiple forum war was shit )
worldly ibex
idk about you, but I DON'T THINK my war could hold it's ropes in mythic raiding
... to say the least
fierce halo
He shouldn't read stupid forums, but see how you perform.
fringe marten
Anyone tried the Pastebin link for "Tehr's Raid cd's" Weak aura...and know it's not some jank code?
undone sun
old zephyr
We have the highest Damage mitigation, beeing proactive means less healer stress, and we have amazing mobility and de bit of raid utility
merry cave
Isn't dh about same level as war in raids 🤔
fringe marten
Thyme I'm on the page now. But that pastebin link is sketch AF
undone sun
it's literally just the WA code ¯_(ツ)_/¯
fringe marten
so you use it, it's ok?
undone sun
i wasn't aware there was an update that's redirected to pastebin, no
old zephyr
Example the monk in by guild get hit for 80% hp by zevkoz combo then Damages leak through stager, it barely hits me for 50%
fringe marten
The zekvoz combo is (haven't done mythic yet) on heroic...incredibly weak. He is literally one of the easiest bosses for us.
elder isle
hey guys a lil question here - got a 340 piece with deafening crash , recently got the same slot piece that is 370 but no deafening crash - is it worth swapin cuz of stats ?
fringe marten
If you aggressively dump rage on EVERYTHING you can, shield block, ignore pain, revenge..whatever...you can have Last Stand+ it's block component up...for every combo. Then you pop it..build rage to spend on IP, and use Spell reflect on the second spell damage hit. and you make that combo look like nothing.
undone sun
just imported from the pastebin and it's trustable
next lagoon
@old zephyr then why do war have such a bad reputation ?
cause the change legion=>bfa ?
cause they got no self heal and relie on an heal ?
old zephyr
Because they are the hardest tank to play well so à lot of People do mistakes.
Also they are idiots
fierce halo
On other classes (most notably monk) its nearly impossible to fuck up your mitigation, so they are a tiny bit better for Hardcore progress, but people overestimate that tiny margin.
old zephyr
They also think monk is god Because method is doing 2 monks
Ik fact monk is bad (and method proved it during progress) and It's just that method can afford that
raven kernel
Dh and pala don't have good uptime on their demon spikes / sotr as far as I know
Not sure about druid
Watching the method double brew on fetid was a cringe fest tbh
Only reason it worked is cos method healers are gods
elder isle
thx for reply
brave jetty
How do volatile blood soakers handle situations where the lasers prevent you from getting over to pop in time?
on Taloc
old zephyr
Cc then kill it It with damage
brave jetty
Is that the common strat? Everyone telling me I'm to soak 100% of em always
old zephyr
Else just send your hpal do it with immune
raven kernel
Call rogues to soak with cloak
light lake
Do you guys think it's worth loosing deafening crash(ilvl 340 azerite) over reinforced plating (ilvl 385 azerite)?
light lake
exaclty my thoughts
vocal nimbus
play a bit with both and feel it
merry cave
I've just started my weekly praying, sacrifices and voodoo rituals for the boralus shoulders in my cache 🙏
cloud bone
why boralus shoulders and not the bis ones?
tiny sphinx
you've only now just started? you've already offended most of the pagan gods
junior igloo
@raven kernel
Druids can have 100 % uptime on Ironfur, but they are still not that great.
Not sure what you mean by cringe fest on fetid. The boss just hits hard, it's not a monk problem.
A warrior with Shield Block active (but no other cooldowns on top) or a paladin with Shield of the Righteous (and no other cooldowns) will get 1-shot on mythic Fetid sub 50 %.
You need to stack 2 mitigation abilities for every hit (6s) and you still drop low.
Monks can survive with only Ironskin Brew (which they can have 100 % uptime on)
@light lake
385 is better
storm isle
what if you only have 1 trait in the 385 but all 3 in the 340 one?
junior igloo
Go farm some AP 😄
storm isle
so much fun
raven kernel
Cringing at the stagger bar and the mana sink
storm isle
at how many traits is it worth swappng 2 or 3?
undone sun
385 is likely better because of the innate stats, not necessarily because of the trsits
storm isle
yeah
brave jetty
mmmm 390 pants from Taloc
vocal nimbus
dont say that too loud
merry cave
@cloud bone can't be too greedy
cloud bone
lol if you're sacrificing to the gods you can be as greedy as you want just be prepared to sacrifice at least 3 goats in advance
I sacrificed 4 and got the Bis Shoulders 385 last week
merry cave
Apparently they didn't like my breed of goats.. 380 crit vers gloves 🤢
mild vigil
Got yet another ring pawn says one is upgrade even though it's 5 ilvl lower?
cloud bone
Bwonsamdi probably took the souls
vocal nimbus
dont use pawn
cloud bone
Well Pawn is wrong and you shouldn't use it for prot
vocal nimbus
i'd use the 355 ring over the 360 because of the haste
you can give up around 10 ilvl on rings
merry cave
Huh
mild vigil
haste is on the 360
vocal nimbus
and dont use pawn for prot warrior