protection

[dark junco]

Spellblade shield?

[undone sun]

just need rep

[dark junco]

^

[lusty grotto]

oh

ty father thyme

[uneven mason]

Bloodelves racial armor is going to be, a thong, with that bigass shield the guards use

[undone sun]

👍

[uneven mason]

nothing else

[lusty grotto]

i'd be okay with that

[uneven mason]

dunno what the women'll get

but the guys will be Thong + shield

[lusty grotto]

have you seen the alliance blood elves on island expeditions?

[uneven mason]

They're hilarious

[dark junco]

Can you xmog only specific pieces or only 1 set?

[winter skiff]

U dint need to farm to 120?

[lusty grotto]

i mean i'm pretty sure what you said is gonna happen haha

[uneven mason]

both the BE on horde and the HE on Alliance

[lusty grotto]

right, the HEs

or void elves? idk

i'm horde so not sure why i said blood elves

half naked paladin

[winter skiff]

So im exalted with highmountain

I transferred my 120 tauren warriorcto highmouyain

[dark junco]

Hey I’m wondering: the tabard that were restricted to allied races, are they shared now?

[winter skiff]

I just have to do a quest line to unlock heritage armor

[lusty grotto]

no you cant

heritage armor is only unlocked if you lvl from scratch

[winter skiff]

Damn

[uneven mason]

So yeah @neon tangle Gsync is a nvidia software that is used by monitor producers as a marketing buzzord to slap another 75$ on their prices for no actual benefit, if you paid for a "G-Sync" monitor you probably also buy apple products.

[winter skiff]

Well that aint ever happening

[dark junco]

On old races that are getting updated its gonna be exalted + quest

[cloud bone]

exalted with their respective capitals

[dark junco]

@uneven mason stop with the hate. Yes they patented it and are charging more for it, but gsync does make a dofference.

[lusty grotto]

@uneven mason that's not true at all... gsync is great if you can't match fps with the refresh rate

[uneven mason]

🙄 no more than any other high refresh rate monitor

[arctic pulsar]

that's a laughable comment about g sync

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason I mean, outside of the fact that gsync had to include a frame buffer on the monitor as well

[dark junco]

It prevents tearing

[neon tangle]

because freesync didn't exist at the time

[arctic pulsar]

i think he just gelly cos he dont have a g sync monitor

[neon tangle]

and freesync also didn't handle low-framerates well

[exotic spoke]

I'm jelly because I only have a potatoe

[neon tangle]

(gsync will double or triple-play frames below certain thresholds)

But yeah

pffff

[exotic spoke]

And since I'm irish I tried to distill it and it didn't go so well 😦

[neon tangle]

gsync

so dumb

[dark junco]

Would prefer the freesync model, but i’m not switching from nvidia so it aint happening

[arctic pulsar]

g sync is great 60fps and below

id much rather have 120hz+ but g sync is still amazing in demanding games

[neon tangle]

wow is a trashheap of an engine

[uneven mason]

it really is

[woeful reef]

^

[neon tangle]

so my 100fps normal can drop to 30 occasionally

yay gsync

[arctic pulsar]

yeah i turn g sync off when im playing wow

[lusty grotto]

why though

[uneven mason]

<--- doesn't have gsync, doesn't get screen tearing

[neon tangle]

It is actually semi-useful for wow since wow drops down to low fps occasionally

[dark junco]

I’m so sad that I can’t run wow at 2k 144fps even with a oc’ed 1070ti

[lusty grotto]

do you only play WoW? then you probably don't need it

[neon tangle]

vs. overwatch or something where it always stays around the same

[arctic pulsar]

i have a 1440p 165hz g sync monitor as a side monitor lol

its a fucking waste

[uneven mason]

I mean

[timber nest]

I legit went dps for the first time this xpac and im not regretting it. Prot is actually cancer.

[uneven mason]

I play other games

[woeful reef]

Kral I have a 1080 ti and im sitting at like 46 fps in Boralas atm

[dark junco]

I can hold 1080 136fps

How?

[uneven mason]

I'm not into heavy FPS action anymore though...

[arctic pulsar]

@woeful reef what res u playing at

[dark junco]

Probably cou then

Cpu*

[neon tangle]

@uneven mason Anyhow, gsync is a stupid technology and nvidia should invest in freesync, but it also is currently better than freesync

[woeful reef]

1440 / 165hz

[lusty grotto]

oh

[neon tangle]

so pay them money or get something shittier I guess

[arctic pulsar]

I play on 3440x1440

[neon tangle]

I opted for paying them money

[arctic pulsar]

and have 100 fps

[dark junco]

Cause I can do 136fps or so in boralus

[lost mauve]

Y’all think tides of vengeance is going to have any prot changes?

[dark junco]

In 1080

[neon tangle]

I'm still on a 980ti

[lusty grotto]

1070 on my end

[solid mist]

970 baby. waiting on a good 1080ti to be reasonable price

[woeful reef]

Boralas is terrible performance wise, everywhere else in the world is fine

[frosty wedge]

1070 here as well

[dark junco]

@woeful reef something is wrong with the fps you’re getting. With a 1080ti you shouldn’t get that low on 1080 in boralus

Unless your bottlenec is cpu

[woeful reef]

im at 1440

not 1080

[dark junco]

Oh

Then it make sense

[woeful reef]

It might be CPU, even when I upsample 2x the fps barely dips

[arctic pulsar]

im 50fps at 3440x1440p at zuldazar

[dark junco]

I’m near 50-60fps at 2k

[outer tundra]

Thinking or going prof after being fury/arms for a few years and rarely pveing. Prot pretty decent tanks these days?

[neon tangle]

I play at 1440p, slider set at 8

[uneven mason]

We're amazing

[neon tangle]

Keeps me around 100-130 in the world

[woeful reef]

yeah in the world im totally fine, just not in boralas with war mode off, chugs along at 45-55 depending on where you look

Specifically up by the transmog room where everyone sits

[lusty grotto]

when you say boralas

you mean city

not dungeon right?

[woeful reef]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

oh

can't compare to our pyramids i guess

[woeful reef]

Example: 45 fps atm

[neon tangle]

Lol you and your populated area

[lusty grotto]

i guess that could be expected?

[neon tangle]

Troll temple is more spread out I guess

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[woeful reef]

Boralas is super compact, its nice having everything close but it gets cluttered with people

[frosty wedge]

anyone want to take bets on how much fucking trash is going to be in this new raid? lol

[neon tangle]

I’m still blown away another one is coming already

Mythic isn’t even down yet

[undone sun]

well it's still a bit away

[frosty wedge]

PTR this coming week

[undone sun]

going on PTR soon which isn't always a quick process

[grim prism]

God I hope its not as quick as 8.0

Lol

[little rain]

How do we feel about Archive of the Titans and Laser Matrix in the heirarchy post-buff/nerf

[lunar pike]

update: didn't have to bonus roll, got my chest from shrine :)
also, the trash pack before the first boss, don't skip it, your dps will get blown back into it, and they'll heal the boss to full after the split 🙃

[arctic pulsar]

will prot get buffs

or do i reroll monk

[ember arrow]

Reroll monk if u want

[earnest zinc]

Unless your guild is guaranteed CE every tier, you won't have issues with warrior

[undone sun]

still alright traits, you mostly use either one of those traits to get array anyways

[earnest zinc]

If you are wanting to push past the gear cap for M+, I'd reroll DK or DH

[uneven mason]

@earnest zinc Even if you're guild is doing CE every tier - Warrior is just fine. If you mean, as long as your guild isn't obsessed with Sco vids and minmaxing - you'll be fine.

[plain vapor]

drink the sco koolaid

[steel mauve]

Bleeding edge is different than cutting edge

[sick sentinel]

Ignore pain off gcd now reeeee

[undone sun]

Scoolaid

[steel mauve]

Warriors are fine for cutting edge which only goes away when the next tier comes out

[digital arrow]

oh snap i didnt know there was a live developer stream today

there will be "class changes" 🤔

[uneven mason]

there wasn't

[sick sentinel]

What time?

[undone sun]

already happened and it was an announcement stream

about new content

[digital arrow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gvim7/developer_livestream_megathread_september_18th11/e67gka6 here it is if anyone's interested

i didnt see it though

[undone sun]

https://www.twitch.tv/warcraft

[uneven mason]

There was a vid of Ion announcing stuff that will be coming to the PTR to try and distract folks from how unfinished BFA was at launch

[digital arrow]

trying to find out what "class changes" happened

o

[undone sun]

none

[digital arrow]

fffffffffff

[uneven mason]

none announced just that "They'll do them in the future (meaning we know nothing else new)"

[digital arrow]

man it feels like im the only one enjoying bfa, suddenly everyones hating on it. I'm coming back from WotLK and i thought this was just as good as that

maybe im crazy

[undone sun]

it was more focused on new major content like new raids and quests

[kind mirage]

Really ? No class change ?

[astral crystal]

yes class change

they didnt talk about it though

probably gonna be visible on the ptr

[sick sentinel]

Content isn't as bad as everyone says

[astral crystal]

also fuck me i really want to go alliance now

[ember arrow]

Why

[sick sentinel]

Class design is hot garbage

[astral crystal]

dwarf heritage armor

looks insane

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/386889532433235968/491673301823913984/wowupcoming002.png

[ember arrow]

Looks like generic dwarf plate armor to me

[astral crystal]

that's the point, isn't it?

it's heritage armor

[grim prism]

M U R A D A D D Y

[signal plover]

Makes me horny...

[plain vapor]

looks good

glad to be a dwarf

will be dark iron once i run motherlode tho lol

[astral crystal]

wish there were good CE guilds alliance sides that weren't full up

FeelsBadMan

[signal plover]

If u haven't entrenched yourself into a spot as a prot warr GL getting accepted

[mental scarab]

But

We

Have

Best transmog

👌🏻

[clear sapphire]

Want to know what keeps me a spot as a prot war in raid? Being the onlywar in raid for buff :p

[uneven mason]

Know what keeps me in a spot as a prot warrior in raid? Being a fucking badass at the wheel.

Although, I'm humbled by Griff

the greatest Demoralizer to ever live.

Dwarf armor looks like retextured T10?

Count me in

Although, you'd think that, they'd have given heritage armor to the least played races first

Gnome and Goblin

[mental scarab]

Yea boooooi! But we have a more constant dmg midigate dho... according to my healers in m+

[outer tundra]

On the fury and arms boards, since BFA prelaunch until present day people saying prot sucks unless you’re tanking purely physical damage mobs/bosses.. I want to hear from you guys, how do you feel prot is doing these days? Strongly considering switching from fury/arms flip flopping to straight tanking.

[uneven mason]

Prot is solid, we don't like DOTs (none of the tanks do), our main drawback is we have no "padding" against damage that isn't mitigated by armor (this is where the manasponge level of HPs that VDH BDK and Dru have comes into play)

[mental scarab]

Prot is fun with more gear im 358 eq now i can take the dmg in 8-10 m+ fine but its more planning for warr

[uneven mason]

We have tools to deal with it, but mainly what that padding affords is healer reaction

both you and your healer need to be proactive

that is - ahead of the damage

and you'll be just fine

[mental scarab]

And IP just... ye sucks

[uneven mason]

Because healers get used to having that extra 3 seconds where they can catch some skin on their porn stream when healing a BDK just because of the raw HP difference

IP is fine for its purpose

[mental scarab]

Yea running with a disc priest

[uneven mason]

that is vs DoT damage tho

vs physical (Trash packs mostly) Prot is king of the hill

[mental scarab]

But monks? They dont go good with us 🤔?

[uneven mason]

Monk healers? some of our best healers

Disc priests are pretty weak for us.

[mental scarab]

Hu then i have only had bad ones

[uneven mason]

all in all, disc suffer from the same thing we do, you're compounding the issue

if disc gets behind on healing

they have very little they can do to catch up

[mental scarab]

Aye then we fucked

[uneven mason]

Monks on the other hand have strong steady healing

[mental scarab]

Mhm

[uneven mason]

which accents our high up front mitigation

and if a monk gets behind on healing

[lusty grotto]

i'd imagine people are gonna keep asking this shit all day thanks to that reddit thread

[uneven mason]

they have like what, 3 o shit buttons?

[mental scarab]

Mhm then i just have badluck

[uneven mason]

Life Cocoon - its like shieldwall for the pulls inbetween your shield wall

[mental scarab]

True

Shorter cd on sb and more absorb on IP and we fine for the normal ppl

[lusty grotto]

shorter cd can be arranged with haste though

[knotty ermine]

Thoughts on the engineering goggles traits for prot? I don't have a BfI helm, but I can equip a higher ilevel DC chest (current helm is DC) by swapping to the engineering goggles

[lusty grotto]

remember ye olde warriors scale with gear shit of past expansions lol

[mental scarab]

Not that short 😜

[lusty grotto]

its truer now due to blocking

though that K

[daring marlin]

Need 27% and the haste talent to make SB 12 second cd

[outer tundra]

Disc priest seems like a bad healer.. doing nerf bar damage and healing like poo

[daring marlin]

It’s lol

[merry cave]

awww damn, got world boss trinket, but it didnt titanforge

[mental scarab]

Into the frey? Free 15%

[lusty grotto]

i mean you have LS to cover gaps

[outer tundra]

But I see people crying that they are OP which is mind bottling

[mental scarab]

Haha

[daring marlin]

I’m saying you need 27% unbuffed and the talent for what I said.

ALL THE HASTE

[knotty ermine]

Disc priests are ridiculously OP in PVP right now, and you're probably getting some overflow from those complaints

[grim prism]

They already got nerfed last week

Alongside arms

[daring marlin]

ridiculously op in what fashion now?

[mental scarab]

Oh

[daring marlin]

I can eat them alive as Arms.

[mental scarab]

<_<

If they have no hands

Then maybe

[daring marlin]

If you have problems with disc as arms reevaluate what you’re doing.

[knotty ermine]

"class X is OP" countered with "Class y (which was/is also stronk) eats them alive"

[lusty grotto]

but were in the prot channel 😦

[grim prism]

I can eat (most imbalanced pvp healer in the current game) alive as (most imbalanced pvp dps in the game)

[knotty ermine]

^^^^ That guy gets it

[lusty grotto]

but honestly when did disc get nerfed? i missed that

[knotty ermine]

same time druids got their mega buff of 3% healing

[lusty grotto]

was away last week mostyl

[daring marlin]

?

[lusty grotto]

smite damage reduced is all

[daring marlin]

Druid>>>>>Disc

Are you drunk?

[merry cave]

I prefer running with druids and monks in M+ thats for sure

[lusty grotto]

i dont understand what we're arguing about

[grim prism]

There are almost twice as many disc priests as resto druids above 2k in both arena ladders right now

They are by far the most common healer

[lusty grotto]

oh

[grim prism]

4x as many for RBGa

[lusty grotto]

fotm rerolls

[uneven mason]

you want to rank you play what wins boy

[grim prism]

FotMing rerolling alone doesnt account for the 2k+ part of it

[uneven mason]

I heard Gladiator titles are not class bound

[grim prism]

Thats FotMing successfully

[lusty grotto]

i have to admit i haven't actually touched pvp since BFA released

except for warmode

[grim prism]

Arms is marginally less broken than last expac0

[rich robin]

I'm so happy right now!

[lusty grotto]

my merciless gladiator netherdrake cries in shame

nice gz!

[grim prism]

Dang

[pastel sleet]

Holy shit

[ember arrow]

Skillforge at work

[grim prism]

@daring marlin hope you saw those stats i posted broski

[knotty ermine]

Who said druid >>>> Disc?

[errant wing]

nice shield fam

[knotty ermine]

@daring marlin You sure you aren't drunk? Lol

[rich robin]

ty ty 😃

[winter skiff]

Wow

[lusty grotto]

share some of that luck 😃

[winter skiff]

I would sell my left nut for that shield

👀

[digital arrow]

nice

[pastel sleet]

Immediately like 15% EHP buff lol

[chilly brook]

Not gonna lie

That livestream surprised me

[iron forum]

did is already end?

[grim prism]

Yep

[wild atlas]

I can feel it. My chest will contain an ilvl 151 pair of cloth socks. And they’ll be intellect with double stack of crit

[iron forum]

what did they announce? i cant find anythig on wowhead

[wild atlas]

@iron forum too much to mention. Chest MMO Champ

[undone sun]

2 raids

[wild atlas]

Check*

[undone sun]

new quests, azerite changes

[iron forum]

what, thats huge

[undone sun]

heritage armor for every race

[arctic sundial]

It's listed on MMO-Champion now

[wild atlas]

2 new islands

And a partridge in a pear tree

[daring marlin]

@knotty ermine Scrolling through the top 100 of 2s and 3s

Whole lot more orange than white.

🤔

[iron forum]

mmo champ just has general bullt points, did they announce specific azerite changes?

[winter skiff]

Any changes to classes?

[wild atlas]

MMO Champ says everything they mentioned

[lusty grotto]

no specifics

just general statements

[wild atlas]

^ They were general announcements. Not in-depth about everything. General notes about class change, azerite trait tweaks. The big things about it were the raids, class armors, islands and incursions.

[lusty grotto]

when it comes to balancing/azerite

right

[grim prism]

@daring marlin scroll up

And look at the actual stats i posted from arenamate

TLDR discs are by far the most popular pvp healer, with 60% more discs than restos in 2s and 3s, and 300% more discs than restos in RBGs (above 2k)

[daring marlin]

Nice dude.

[grim prism]

[daring marlin]

And there are more druids in the top 100.

PERIOD.

[grim prism]

But are they RESTO druids?

[daring marlin]

It's almost like...the healer that requires less skill will have more representation at lower ratings...?

[mortal pike]

Healing discussions in here 🤔

[knotty ermine]

@daring marlin ok? But you said "druid >>>>>>>>Disc are you drunk?" but no one had said that

[daring marlin]

The top 10 druids sure are resto.

Weird.

And they're like 30ish ranks higher than the closest Priest.

🤔

[knotty ermine]

In fact, the only mention of druids was me making a joke about their 3% mega buff

[grim prism]

Just keep moving those goalposts brah

🕺

[daring marlin]

Resto Druids are better. Hence more representation in that EU tourney as well.

[fleet ridge]

Dan Bailey likes the goalposts lately

[daring marlin]

herp

[knotty ermine]

like legit, who was even claiming one to be better than the other when you started sperging about it? We were talking, discs priests were mentioned at the time, and you were going on about how its fine because lolarms can lolmelt them, or something

[daring marlin]

sperging?

lol

you're killing me here bud

[knotty ermine]

Scroll through your last few comments friendo, reads very "madbro" ish

"If you can't kill disc as arms you need to reevaluate your life" (spoiler alert, no one had even mentioned arms to that point, either)

Making arguments up in your own head is a signal of sperging, soooo... make from that what conclusions you will 😉

[lusty grotto]

🍿

[grim prism]

Im also intensely curious where you are getting this data because it sure af isnt whats being shown on arenamate

Actually

No, I'm not curious

I really don't give a shit come to think of it

We can agree to disagree civilly here

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[ember arrow]

Xd

[sick sentinel]

wish this energy was spent more into your prot warrs than bickering over dumb healing %/#s

[ember arrow]

Cant spend energy on the floor

[daring marlin]

If you can't kill disc as arms you need to reevaluate your life Not quite what I said. lol

[grim prism]

We use rage not energy

[daring marlin]

you ok, buddy?

[lusty grotto]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ what is this civility you speak of?! (sry caps)

[final mist]

Enough.

[lusty grotto]

awww

[grim prism]

Bonus: the top five healers on arena ladder are four MWs and an hpal

[final mist]

This isn't the #223972896219856896 channel.

[grim prism]

LOL

[final mist]

If you wanna bullshit about PvP, go there. Not here.

[grim prism]

Nah I've spoken my piece

Data is data

[lusty grotto]

back to addressing reddit concerns

;)

[grim prism]

Lets talk about the GCD again

[lusty grotto]

i make joke pls dont ban

[timber nest]

https://gyazo.com/14696d06593dc6de25798df3aaa3fc20?

[grim prism]

If anyone is likely to get banned here on an average day it's probably me Nim. Or that guy who put an N-bomb in his discord avatar yesterday

[junior ivy]

i hate when pugs wont use discord

ITS A +11

YOURE NOT TOO GOOD FOR DISCORD

"we dont need it, its easy"

yeah, we need it

it makes me mad.

[ember arrow]

I pugged those np

[weak zephyr]

They just wanna use ventrilo

[signal plover]

Tell em ur a grill

[ember arrow]

No discord

[grim prism]

@timber nest the haste ones

[weak zephyr]

Oof

[daring marlin]

10s and 11s aren't too bad without discord o_O

[knotty ermine]

"hey guys join my slack server for this 8 k"

[junior ivy]

yeah they are too bad

[grim prism]

+11S ARE EASY THATS WHY WE'VE BEEN WAITING IN GROUPFINDER FOR AN HOUR

[weak zephyr]

SLACK

LmMmmoaaa

"We're gonna have a formal meeting at exactly 10 about this mythic guys"

[knotty ermine]

Upper tier content is ez, especially on the class that likely would benefit the most from coordinating cd's n shit with your heals. Gonna host a webex at 6pm to discuss

[lusty grotto]

im gonna be honest, i only reply in Gifs in my job's slack

and code blocks sure

[junior ivy]

i made them use discord

[sick sentinel]

socializing on voice is harder than pugging +11.

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

cant do that.

[grim prism]

You bring pugs on voice to berate them, not to socialize with them

Mistake #1

[knotty ermine]

^^^^^

[lusty grotto]

busch league

[sick sentinel]

same thing to me.

berating still requires socializing.

[knotty ermine]

I inv people and tell em "hey even if you don't have a mic, it'd be cool if you joined just so we can call things out easier"

outside of the healer, very rarely does anyone actually speak. Maybe a dps with a "got it" after cc'ing or soaking something, whatever

But it definitely helps efficiency, even in those easy 10s

[sick sentinel]

scared of words!

definitely.

[tropic star]

how does the 'Last Gift' trait hold up compared to 'Iron Fortress;

[wild sandal]

why not use the voice chat, if its a random pug group?

[fast shadow]

Just getting into Prot warrior. Which trinkets should I use? I have an iLvl 375 Vanguished Tendril of G'hunn & a 340 Rezan's Gleaming Eye. I'm thinking about purchasing the Darkmoon Deck for tanking

[frosty wedge]

rezans + blockade

[knotty ermine]

deck and rezans

[fast shadow]

Ty guys. Figures I get a high level trinket & none of the specs use it lol

[frosty wedge]

all of the udir trinkets are unfortunately hot garbage

[solid mist]

how mcuh the deck run these days?

[neon tangle]

was 80k on my server

[fallow sphinx]

around 35k i think? at least on my server

[neon tangle]

my server is horrible tho

[fast shadow]

Its 20k on Stormrage Ally

[feral harness]

I just picked one up for 20k on Illidan

horde

[daring marlin]

I think it's about that on Sargeras.

[neon tangle]

I should transfer

[daring marlin]

My buddy told me flasks were almost 4k a pop

and anchor weed was like 800 a pop

I was like the fuck?

[neon tangle]

they were 5k each for me last week

[daring marlin]

gross

[boreal depot]

Hey guys I was able to snag a TF 370 Galecaller's Beak today, I have a 345 Rezan's. Do you think Galecaller's is better than Rezan?

[solid mist]

fuuuuuck that

[daring marlin]

They've been 2300ish on my server since uldir launch

and anchorweed has fluctuated between 5-700 lol

[neon tangle]

My guild is using legion flasks

because it's dumb

[daring marlin]

yikes

[neon tangle]

and we're only doing heroic

so whatevs

[daring marlin]

anchor weed is just too uh

rare I guess

[silk mortar]

And anchor weed wont go down for a loooong time

[ivory barn]

I bought a deck for 5k on thrall I think someone missed a 0 so I snipped it

[solid mist]

noice

[mellow bridge]

5k?

damn

[ivory barn]

Yeah the blockades trinket

It was nice lil

Lol

[pastel sleet]

I feel like I have to take devastator because of GCDs. But I’m also feeling rage deprived at times. Is there something I’m missing?

[chrome falcon]

yeah, don't take devastator

what do you mean by "because of GCDs" exactly

[pastel sleet]

I feel like I’m not able to spam devastate properly. Because of gcds rom revenge procs ip ss and Tc

[grim prism]

@pastel sleet you are literally better off running BV and taking devastate off your bar than taking devastator

Spamming devastate is objectively improper

[pastel sleet]

Noted

[grim prism]

It is a filler

You arent supposed to hit it more than once every half-dozen globals or so

Less that that even

[pastel sleet]

Wow. I thought it was supposed to be like every 3-4 actions

[grim prism]

I mean I'm generalizint an average

You shouldnt be hitting it often, is the point

[pastel sleet]

Got it. I like BV more anyway

[grim prism]

It is pretty consistently 10-15% of casts in high-ranking prot logs

[mellow bridge]

I got a 360 briny barnacle and 355 Emblem of Zandalar, do you guys think a blockades might be worth it or should I just wait for smth better to drop?

[grim prism]

So maybe 1 in 8 globals

Average ofc

[pastel sleet]

Thank you

[grim prism]

@mellow bridge imo if you already have a blockades use that, otherwise use the emblem

[mellow bridge]

well I was more thinking about replacing the barnacle with it

doesnt feel like it does much

[grim prism]

Barnacle adds nothing defensively aside from str for ilvl

[mellow bridge]

yeah

I mostly do M+ so some extra dmg is not bad, but it doesnt feel like a whole lot of dmg

[grim prism]

Zandalar emblem at -5 ilvl is probably a better defensive option

More damage is never a bad thing but you shouldnt necessarily prioritize it

[lusty grotto]

barnacle is great for M+ though, for dps purposes

[grim prism]

Considering your job is to not die

Lol

[lusty grotto]

i'm almost exclusively using Blockades + dps trinket for M+

[mellow bridge]

do you have any numbers on barnacle nimchip?

[grim prism]

I'm not going to fault anyone for bringing dps trinks to m+

[mellow bridge]

I would check myself but I havent logged anything yet yikes

[grim prism]

Im just obligated to encourage the defensive option lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah it obviously depends on what you need, fortified i might swap to Howler

[mellow bridge]

yea I was especially thinking about wanting another def trinket for this weeks affixes

/tomorrows affixes for me

[grim prism]

I'd like to try one of those crit trinks in M+ myself

[lusty grotto]

uhh im not exactly sure on the numbers but it is very good for arms so i just took it as such

aoe arms i should note

[grim prism]

Afaik DPS trinks now proc at the same rate for tanks. Don't remember for sure. @final mist do you know this offhand?

[lusty grotto]

hmm i hadn't considered that

[mellow bridge]

wanted to log my +10 kr run today and have someone review it

and i fkin forgot

yikes

[lusty grotto]

forgot all about those legion shenanigans

[grim prism]

I vaguely remember seeing it mentioned but i could be imagining things

[final mist]

DPS trinkets always have the same proc rate unless they're explicitly changed to have lower ones by Blizzard.

Typically, that happens to raid trinkets.

[fresh dragon]

Do we get some Hotfix or we are still forgotten since months?

[grim prism]

No hotfixes announced Tak

[final mist]

We're still forgotten, you can leave. The door is always unlocked.

[lusty grotto]

disc and syringe are affected you think?

[final mist]

Should probably change it to a revolving door at this point, tbh.

No idea, Nimchip.

[lusty grotto]

mm

might worth a look when i get them

[fresh dragon]

i was still hoping for something like. Warrior Protection: We don't have forgot u..... yet.

[grim prism]

Maybe I'm just jaded but I would not expect any communication prior to 8.1

They'd have to remember us in the first place to forget us kappa

[fresh dragon]

@grim prism ahahahahh 😄

8.1 ptr started?

[grim prism]

At lwast we arent in a gamebreakingly bad spot right now. I'm fine with coasting on the expectation of a minor tuning pass in 8.1

[lusty grotto]

i think they said friday?

iirc

[mellow bridge]

Sal would you run 2 def trinkets for +10 this week?

[weary python]

So for most pieces of gear should I just be straight up equipping the highest Ilevel? or is there a way to somewhat sim a tank?

[grim prism]

Sal is a pally main, he doesnt run any keys that dont end in -teen 😂

[mellow bridge]

if it's 10 ilvl diff you equip the higher one unless it's a trinket/rings

o

[weary python]

and what about trinket/ rings?

i got a 380today

[lusty grotto]

380 what?

[grim prism]

Memes aside I'm sure he would recommend defensive trinks for prot wars in a +10

[weary python]

Ritual Binder's Ring: 295 stamina, 277 haste, 145 vers

[mellow bridge]

guess I'll wait for tomorrows chest and if nothing good is in there I'll buy one

[vivid sage]

any input on best 2 trinkets there?

[mellow bridge]

~30k on my server atm for blockades

[grim prism]

@weary python armor is ilvl > all. Secondary itemization on rings is not likely to be worth more than 5 ilvl in most cases

[lusty grotto]

that's a solid ring @weary python

[grim prism]

Sims are possible but prot SimC module is broken atm, so we dont have better info than that other than case-by-case stuff

And simming for tanking purposes is wonky at best regardless

[chilly brook]

Hmmmmmmm

375 Vial or 350 Rezan's?

[weary python]

Is there a haste point at which we can think of getting away from into the fray?

[signal plover]

No

[lusty grotto]

not atm

[grim prism]

No, because you would always want more haste regardless

[lucid kelp]

UNLESS

[signal plover]

No

[lucid kelp]

you can somehow get 160% haste

[grim prism]

Lol

[signal plover]

Ok fair

[lucid kelp]

which i'm pretty sure is impossible

but hey titanforge

[grim prism]

Even then you would prefer 175% haste because quicker GCDs = more rage generation

[lucid kelp]

fair

[grim prism]

And more rage = more anger mgmt

[mellow bridge]

I mean ITF becomes better the more haste we have anyway right

since it's a % increase

[grim prism]

Yeah

[fresh dragon]

some tips for ZEK'VOZ Mythic?

😄

[grim prism]

Its 1.15 of your base haste %

[lucid kelp]

Fray is Good as long as you can maintain 3 stacks uptime right? so...every fight?

[sick sentinel]

I run fathoms + blockades all my mythic+

feels just fine.

[grim prism]

So if youre at 160% haste itd be more like 184% with ITF

[uneven mason]

Syringe for M+ HNGGGGGGG

[sick sentinel]

dun have syringe. :c

[mellow bridge]

@sick sentinel how high do you play and pug/premade group?

[grim prism]

@lucid kelp five stacks is ideal but pretty much yeah

[lusty grotto]

Disc though

[grim prism]

@mellow bridge im usually pretty high when i play wow

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/shadow-council/Bèthrèzèn

I dont pug mythic+

no comms, no go.

[mellow bridge]

@grim prism Maybe I should try that but I'd prolly just die ingame 🤔

[grim prism]

Youre already playing prot, so...

[chilly brook]

or

[grim prism]

@sick sentinel you gotta hit those last two dungeons my dude

[lucid kelp]

I mean...I enjoy Prot

[uneven mason]

Pick a better high, I use meth when I tank

it gives me that laser focus

[sick sentinel]

yeah I know. I want to.

[lusty grotto]

Hmm

[chilly brook]

The decisions

[sick sentinel]

but finding DPS convinced? no luck. shit RP server.

[lucid kelp]

I suck and need to get better...but I love prot

[sick sentinel]

DPS is shit as is what I get.

[mellow bridge]

@sick sentinel no 10s done yet?

[sick sentinel]

have a TD 10 depleted done.

[tight tree]

Done waycrest +10. Never. Again.

[sick sentinel]

would love to do more waycrests.

[tight tree]

(EU, still tyrannical)

[uneven mason]

yeah in general waycrest is a 🖕 dungeon

like

on any afix

[mellow bridge]

yeah Waycrest this week was insane

[lucid kelp]

Im ok with Waycrest....as a dungeon...

[tight tree]

2 hours

[lucid kelp]

but as an M+ fuck it

[raven kernel]

tyrannical waycrest is tough on witch trio

[mellow bridge]

everything gucchi except the sister bosses

[raven kernel]

you need a good healer

[mellow bridge]

my healer couldnt keep up with our group dying

[uneven mason]

I remember going in to Waycrest at 298

for m0

and the sisters just melting us

5x

until we got it down

[lucid kelp]

just jump and sisters is easy

[sick sentinel]

any group non priest healing I've felt just fine.

[uneven mason]

and the healer decided to let the rogue die.

[raven kernel]

good thing my healer can do raid level healing in a 5man XD

[mellow bridge]

we actually had to stop our +10 WM run

[sick sentinel]

disc/holy, it gets sketchy.

[mellow bridge]

healer was just too undergeared/bad to heal them

[tight tree]

Our healers had to get 2x better during our pulls. He managed

[mellow bridge]

everything went fine but then :/

[raven kernel]

i did it with a disc

[tight tree]

resto sham

[lusty grotto]

man

2 of the 3 healers on my guild are resto

shaman

[mellow bridge]

shaman isnt that bad, is it

[lusty grotto]

its sad because these are exceptional players

[mellow bridge]

I saw divinefield run some ~13-15 keys with a shaman as his healer

[raven kernel]

sham are actually one of the better(best?) healers for witch trio

[errant wing]

r shaman bring more than just heals, there interupt is god like

[lusty grotto]

true

[wet marlin]

hey all, am trying to use raidbots to get a better idea of stat weight and gear for prot warrior but keep getting "Your spec is not supported by SimulationCraft at this time" am i doing something wrong?

[mellow bridge]

Well

[raven kernel]

there are no sims for prot

[mellow bridge]

our spec isn't supported

that's it

don't use stat weights, read the icyveins guide in our pins

[raven kernel]

sims for tanks are irrelevant anyway

[mellow bridge]

^

[raven kernel]

you cant sim dmg taken

[grim prism]

Someone needs to nut up and fix the SimC module but we are all a bunch of mongos for war class fantasy

[wet marlin]

ok, so how could i b

[mellow bridge]

@wet marlin https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide read this and you'll know everything you need to

[wet marlin]

how could i best figure out BiS?

[lusty grotto]

specifically the stats section

[raven kernel]

haste > mastery=verse > crit

[torpid spoke]

Any Tanks alliance side wanna run Kings Rest +3 with me and my friends? We are all over 350 ilevel. Just need you then good to go

[grim prism]

If its armor then literally just equip the highest ilvl piece as long as you have one azerite with Deafening Crash

[lucid kelp]

just out of curiosity how many here are Lightforged Draenei?

cause it feels REALLY good to open up with Avatar, Shout, and Light's Judgement on an aoe pull

[lusty grotto]

i'm an orc you alliance scum

spits

[sick sentinel]

will tank all horde US ADs and KRs and Underrot keystones.

ALL

[raven kernel]

light's judgement on gcd ResidentSleeper

im gcd locked enough in avatar

[wet marlin]

does haste have a diminishing return at any point or should i just stack as much as poss?

[lucid kelp]

nah Rei

[sick sentinel]

no.

haste forever.

[grim prism]

Doesnt lights judgement cost a GCD?

[lucid kelp]

Cast Light's judgement First >> and in the 3 seconds before it goes off you can Avatar and Shout

[grim prism]

Or is that a prexast thing

Ohhh okay

[raven kernel]

doesnt it aggro

[lucid kelp]

nope

[raven kernel]

oh

[lucid kelp]

it doesnt aggro until it Hits

[raven kernel]

cool to know

thats nice then

but im happy with dark iron

[lucid kelp]

but there's no way to stop it so

make sure you Want to cast it before ya hit the button XD

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[lucid kelp]

I kind of wanna make a Dark Iron but I've been lazy with rep

[lusty grotto]

that sounds fun

[grim prism]

Dont worry, the devs have been lazy with rep too this expac :^)

Sorry that was low-effort

I retract

[lusty grotto]

get out

[lucid kelp]

XD

[grizzled loom]

i cant find anything on the trinket llingering sporepods

for prot

[final mist]

Because it sucks.

[prisma crane]

general rule of thumb, if it isnt in the guide, it's not a contender for defensive trinkets

[grizzled loom]

even if it rollls 380 TT

[lusty grotto]

sorry for the... epic let down

ok ill get out now

[prisma crane]

it's a decent STR stat stick

[undone sun]

that depends more on what your options at

[prisma crane]

but that's about it

[undone sun]

it has a lot of strength but the effect is garbage

[grizzled loom]

blockades and my 345 jes howler

[steel mauve]

I would use howler and blockades over a spore imo

[vocal nimbus]

spore = utter garbage

[lucid kelp]

Im just using BLockades and a 355 Clock right now.

[junior ivy]

im so persistent

[grim prism]

Just be glad its not tyran week

[mellow bridge]

jesus

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah. still need a jes howler.

TD never lucky

Question, are we very gear dependent?

[grim prism]

Yes

Shield is hella important

But skill is also important

I do +10s with an ilvl 340 shield

At 340 avg ilvl you can probs do +6s fairly comfy

[sick sentinel]

I tried a 10 key yesterday, at ilvl 345, It was a struggle. Though I am abit new to warrior tanking. I suppose I should practice more.

[grim prism]

Nah thats fine

Keep working on it

[sick sentinel]

+6 was alright for me though.

[grim prism]

If youre finishing 10s at all at 345 youre on the right track

Some people are 360 and struggle in 10s

[sick sentinel]

Just wasn't sure if it was due to the +10 being underrot, but we didn't finish. The group gave up after 5 wipes on second boss.

[grim prism]

Did they not clear ticks?

Fort week shouldnt have been awful on 10

[sick sentinel]

What was hitting me hard was that cone attack he did.

[grim prism]

Bosses i mean

Ah yes, thats not blockable

[digital arrow]

i just did a +4 tol dagor with teeming, and while on maybe the second floor, we were fighting an irontide thug on the bridge, and outta nowhere come out bilge rat looters, maybe like 7 of them. are they an invisible patrol when doing this key with teeming? or am i going crazy

[grim prism]

Need real cooldowns for that

[digital arrow]

nobody knew where they came out of

[sick sentinel]

Ahh, got it.

[modern brook]

On that topic, is there a list of the things that are and arent blockable somewhere?

[digital arrow]

they just appeared like ninjas

[grim prism]

@digital arrow ive pulled shit through the floor on TD. The walls and floors are wonky

Especially on teeming i bet

[digital arrow]

i've definitely pulled mages through the wonky walls before lol

shit maybe i've gotta be even more careful and go slower

as soon as they appeared and all attacked me at once i almost died

[grim prism]

Did you expect anything else from teeming TD tho lol

[knotty ermine]

@modern brook check the pins, there is a spreadsheet there

Shows exactly what you're asking for 😃

[open bluff]

floors and walls to do what they were designed for

[digital arrow]

haha i was expecting it to be easy, more kills to proc my victory rush. but nope, fortified makes them hurt

[modern brook]

oh no i got check the pins'd

[open bluff]

pretty reasonable expectation, even moreso on teeming

[grim prism]

@open bluff dont be ridiculous

[modern brook]

😢

ty

[digital arrow]

i dont like teeming anymore! 😦

[knotty ermine]

I could link it for you, but, teach a man to fish and all that 😛

[modern brook]

I appreciate the directional point; I just hate when people dont check the pins

so now im bad AND a hypocrite

[prisma crane]

so, side note

what the fuck

is the reason

[grim prism]

What now K

[prisma crane]

that the last two bosses in Motherlode

have non-blockable dmg

that's exclusively magic

[grim prism]

Uhh a lot of bosses do, no?

[prisma crane]

no i mean, there's no aspect of the entire 3rd boss that is physical

and only the gatling gun on last boss is physical

[modern brook]

does the 3rd boss not aa?

[prisma crane]

casting shield block on those two bosses would be exclusively for the additional SS dmg

neither of those two aa

[modern brook]

I didnt get that deep into the spread sheet 😢

[prisma crane]

i havent read it at all

[steel mauve]

despite the gatling gun on the last boss though like 90% of his abilities are avoidable, including the gatling gun

[prisma crane]

i just looked into it yesterday

well the unavoidable dmg he does is fire, non-blockable

[grim prism]

You have a smorgasbord of coolies for it though

So thats nice at least

[prisma crane]

i mean

[grim prism]

Demo on LOL uptime, SW and SR

[steel mauve]

but its almost non existent though

[grim prism]

I mean, you knkw

[steel mauve]

and you can spell reflect his "AA"

[prisma crane]

yea, i know

1 hit every 25 sec

not that he aa's much anyways

but the third boss in particular is a bitch

and you gotta be fast as fuck with your SR and hope that the every other time she casts it is the time it actually goes on you

idk, i just dont like bosses where we pretty much just stand there with our dicks in our hand spamming a wet noodle IP

not even saying other tanks have it easier, it's just shitty design

i just picture on high tyrannical motherlodes, you need 2 dispels, everyone dodging immediately (easy part) and heals to just bomb tank

[ember arrow]

waht boss?

[prisma crane]

Rixxa Fluxflame

3rd in motherlode

[mellow bridge]

Wait I didn't know that about the last ML boss

I really should check the sheet before doing a dungeon..

[prisma crane]

yup, save LS for oh shits, dont even bother for block uptime

[knotty ermine]

tbh, I spend far more time worrying why the others in the group aren't positioning themselves between the boss and the azerite on the floor than anything else. But, last night I did SR her dot, so that's nice.

[ember arrow]

i jsut got called pathetic for leavin KR 10 by a rogue doing 8k overall dps

waht do i do?

[junior ivy]

finished that shrine +11!

[prisma crane]

nice

[junior ivy]

it wasnt that bad at all

so now i can re,lax knowing i got my +11 done

and can focus on pugging lower keys and raiding

[real thunder]

So much tuning to traits and classes in general since the x-pac came out. However i dont think there has been one change to prot warriors. Guess the devs must think you are perfect

[knotty ermine]

"you," but not "we?" You not a prot warrior bro?

[daring marlin]

@ember arrow absolute monster

how dare you!!!!!!

[sick sentinel]

lol

[knotty ermine]

You haven't been called out on the m+ discord blacklist

So obviously you left too quietly

[daring marlin]

There's a blacklist for that? Gahahaha.

[prisma crane]

they either A) don't think we have any glaring issues, or B) don't yet know how to fix us

[daring marlin]

I'm in there just haven't really used it.

[knotty ermine]

Bot is fixed so characters tied to your name are updated properly now

but I've definitely had better success with groups I've joined through that disc than through LFG so far.

[open bluff]

or C) fixes aren't something that can just be done with a hotfix

and require an actual patch

[daring marlin]

@prisma crane What do you think we need?

[prisma crane]

i'd normally add that part C but they havent even mentioned that we're on their radar

viable utility

[junior ivy]

yes utility pleeeease

[daring marlin]

Would you like to see IP off GCD? A trait on azerite similar to the leggo bracers or something like inspiring presence again?

[prisma crane]

something new

and no

[daring marlin]

Ah.

[prisma crane]

i dont think IP off GCD will change much

other than help AM

[junior ivy]

either utility or something to make us not SOOO dependent on healers. are other tanks as dependent on healers as we are?

[prisma crane]

bracer trait maybe, but meh

Insp pres is a start, but our issue is more M+ than raids and Ins Pres was garbage in 5mans

[daring marlin]

inb4 we get some crazy traits in the next tier.

I kinda wish IP could stack higher, I guess. lol

need moar AP

[prisma crane]

and it has to fit our "lore" so a battle res or summon or w/e wouldnt work

[daring marlin]

Sure it would. Ever play Vermintide 2? Something like Kruber yelling at people to get up. :^)

[prisma crane]

best i can think of is some sort of throughput group buff like the old crit banner used to be, so we make the group stronger or something, idk

[daring marlin]

Shit would be hilarious.

[prisma crane]

more dmg more heals more damage reduction for a short window

[junior ivy]

or let us summon people like warlocks

warlocks are the only class that can summon. warriors cant doi anything special

[prisma crane]

that's not that useful though

[mellow bridge]

@knotty ermine you got a link for that discord and is it eu too?

[junior ivy]

it jsut makes sense

[neon tangle]

Heroic Yank

[junior ivy]

and i will never stop suggesting it

[knotty ermine]

Looking back at prot's toolkit throughout the full history of WoW, and just thinking about all the cool abilities (utility or otherwise) that we have lost kinda feelsbad. To me it's just feels so much worse when you cross over from "man this would be a cool ability" to "Man this WAS an awesome ability" but we lost it because reasons

[open bluff]

@junior ivy the only tank that's as/more healer dependent than prot warr is brm

[daring marlin]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MISS?

[junior ivy]

in legion i remember once i pulled 2nd boss of VOTW on a 15 tyrannical with a dead healer

and we killed it

[daring marlin]

That fucking

interrupting shout

I forget the actual name

[junior ivy]

couldnt do anything without a healer now

[daring marlin]

shit was awesome

[prisma crane]

our hp boost CD cna be achieved with a dps warr, which is useful in M+ anyways

aoe interrupt could be nice

[knotty ermine]

@mellow bridge PM'd it to you

[mellow bridge]

Thanks a lot

[junior ivy]

aoe interrupt/silence, summoning, bres or some kinda cc

[prisma crane]

but i mean, aoe grip effectively does the same thing while also grouping them up

[open bluff]

one possible option is increasing how much IP absorbs (eg 75% instead of 50%), but it wouldn't solve the problem of IP feeling like shit

[prisma crane]

a form of root would be cool, like you charge in and stake the npc to the ground for like 30 sec

idk

[neon tangle]

They could maybe fit a bres in to the kit by the way of Valkyr lore stuff

[junior ivy]

or like, give us stealth?

[knotty ermine]

Or idk

Like

[junior ivy]

JUST SOEMTHING PLEASE

cause we have nothing special

[prisma crane]

but us being more tanky wont fix us as much as we'd like to think

[open bluff]

would just... feel a little more solid than the diarrhea it is now

[daring marlin]

Cat you're cracking me up

lol

[knotty ermine]

Charge in and stun everything in the area maybe

and like

[prisma crane]

utility doesnt mean bigger numbers

[junior ivy]

every other class has somerthinhg special and unique they can do

[knotty ermine]

it could even be a talent idc

call it something cool

[junior ivy]

hero, summon, CC, etc

and warrios have noooothing

[prisma crane]

i mean, we have spell reflect and charge

[knotty ermine]

like "warbringer," for example

[prisma crane]

and were the only ones with leap

[daring marlin]

mass spell reflect baby

[prisma crane]

until DH

[daring marlin]

let's get it

[gaunt coyote]

is world first over yet?

[junior ivy]

mass spel,l reflect sure

[prisma crane]

mass spell reflect is a lot less useful than it sounds imo

[junior ivy]

give3 us that

give*

but also let us summon people.,

[gaunt coyote]

40 prot warriors could maintain msr indefinetly I think

[mellow bridge]

Warrior summoning 🤔

[prisma crane]

abilities are already tuned around group dmg, so you would rarely if ever mass reflect anything very dangerous

[gaunt coyote]

idk if its consumed on one reflect

[knotty ermine]

add silence to heroic throw, i'd be ok with that

[daring marlin]

gag order

[junior ivy]

^^

thatd be nice

[knotty ermine]

no no

[daring marlin]

I miss gag order

[prisma crane]

well they need to remove the consumed on single reflect shit

[junior ivy]

btw do we have any new glyphs for bfa?

[gaunt coyote]

give reindhart charge lol

[knotty ermine]

these are "new" ideas

not things we haven't had before

definitely not

[prisma crane]

oh here let me use my 20% magic DR, o wait, tiny cast went off, no good anymore

[gaunt coyote]

bulldoze all the trash in a line to one point

[daring marlin]

LOL

[mellow bridge]

Maybe some sort of group CD with valkyr magic could be cool

[neon tangle]

@gaunt coyote Race change to highmountain tauren?

[prisma crane]

anyways, joke ideas aside, we need true utility

[knotty ermine]

Just make SR reflect the next spell, but reduce magic dmg taken for x amount of seconds

[junior ivy]

i just want ANY reason for someone to say "we should get a warrior tank"

any reasona t all

right now theres none

[knotty ermine]

too much logic baked into an ability I'm sure

[gaunt coyote]

battle shout?

[mellow bridge]

I loved all the valkyr thematic last xpac and gotta say I'm kinda sad to lose it

[junior ivy]

me too

i enjoyed it

[prisma crane]

you can use a dps warrior for battle shout

[mellow bridge]

@gaunt coyote I mean you can buy scrolls for that

[daring marlin]

But what if your group doesn't have a DPS Warrior?

[prisma crane]

and with scrolls you get 70% of any buff anyways

[daring marlin]

I'll say this

Paladin is so much better than Paladin in certain instances like

LOOK AT ME

[junior ivy]

wait so i can be buyign stam scrolls?

[prisma crane]

it's easier and more beneficial in a M+ to get a dps warr than a prot warrior

[daring marlin]

I CAN STOP ALL CASTS ON CASTERS THE WHOLE DUNGEON

avenger's shield is absolutely ridiculous

[mellow bridge]

Battle should is nice to have for sure but it's not really a reason to take us

[knotty ermine]

The good news is, tanks are still in very short supply at the moment, so I have no problem being that uggo when closing time is getting near, and being taken into runs just because I'm a tank

[gaunt coyote]

we have commanding shout too now

[knotty ermine]

May not be the best, but I'm the best you can do baby

[gaunt coyote]

err

was it rallying cry?

[mellow bridge]

@junior ivy yes there are ap Stam and int scrolls

[prisma crane]

so do dps warriors @gaunt coyote

[junior ivy]

i get rejected from groups for being a warrior

😦

[neon tangle]

The important thing is that we are very shouty

[daring marlin]

shouts for days

[mellow bridge]

War-scroll of x is their name

[verbal sorrel]

Should u stack traits of Brace for Impact? Or do u rock Deafening Crash, Brace for Impact, and a Blood Sport?

[hearty crater]

Stupid question - Vanguard should increase our Stamina by 35% of our Strength correct?

[knotty ermine]

gtfo with your ratchet 7% AP buff

[gaunt coyote]

bastion stance, -90% movespeed, -50% damage taken

[mellow bridge]

Take one DC and then you can stack

[cinder nova]

Maybe we could have our NF back

That'd be fucking novel

[prisma crane]

10% AP also means fuck all if you have all caster dps

[neon tangle]

@gaunt coyote I think they call that "paladin"

[gaunt coyote]

actually revenge having a defensive benefit would be nice

[mellow bridge]

NF?

[prisma crane]

neltharion's fury

[gaunt coyote]

like 3 seconds of parry or something

[mellow bridge]

O

[cinder nova]

Lol

[prisma crane]

parry is pointless

physical dmg isnt our problem

most of the time

[verbal sorrel]

I miss the bracers

[hearty crater]

No one on my question? lol

[cinder nova]

It was a channel that did a cone of fire damage while critical blocking everything

[prisma crane]

and again, making us tankier wont solve that much

[gaunt coyote]

increase the RFDT coefficient for magic damage?

[undone sun]

increase from 0

[mellow bridge]

I gotta say

[prisma crane]

afaik there isnt any RFDT

so

[mellow bridge]

NF didn't feel that good imho

[daring marlin]

I didn't like nelth's fury much

[prisma crane]

we'd have to have it to improve it

[daring marlin]

I liked the pally artifact ability better

[cinder nova]

Then you used it wrong

[prisma crane]

we only get rage from melee swings

[daring marlin]

? ? ?

[gaunt coyote]

oh

[prisma crane]

which back to my motherlode gripe, we get fucked there too

[cinder nova]

It was one of our most imba tank cds

[knotty ermine]

I want a talent row where I choose from dual wielding a 2h with my shield for more dmg (if the mobs in AD can do it, so can I), one talent lets me dual wield shields for double the BV and shield slam dmg, but lower overall dmg, and the third choice is.... idk, something a bit more neutral between those two ideas.

[undone sun]

Legion RFDT is non existent in BFA

[daring marlin]

I didn't use it right because I liked the pally one better? lol

[steel mauve]

i didnt like NF, mainly because of the gcd and channel

[undone sun]

it's a static amount from melee swings now

[open estuary]

DOUBLE SHIELD STANCE LETS GO

[prisma crane]

which means we lose all rage gen on last two bosses in motherlode, fucking....

[knotty ermine]

Don't tell me I can't dual wield shields when that's literally what DH tank hidden artifact looks like

let me dreeeeeaaaaam

[cinder nova]

Pally artifact was literally demo shout

[steel mauve]

so many times i died because i accidentally cancelled, or was moving and couldnt cast it, or the gcd tripped me

[prisma crane]

hey, can regular weapons titanforge? the nerf only hit off hands?

[cinder nova]

Like

[pine crescent]

So surely already answered, where to see the weights in the prot stat xcell?

[cinder nova]

???

[prisma crane]

@pine crescent there isnt one

[steel mauve]

the nerf to TF off hand was specifically because weapons COULDNT TF

[prisma crane]

ok

[gaunt coyote]

dont all tanks lack magic damage solutions?

[pine crescent]

resources - protection - Stat Analysis Sheet - https://goo.gl/oguKzo

[prisma crane]

more or less, yea

[undone sun]

for the most part, yes

[gaunt coyote]

wasnt that the whole point of everything going to armor?

[knotty ermine]

NF definitely felt terrible when you used it and were knocked back or otherwise interrupted

[open estuary]

So whats prots main issue right now? I feel like I'm made of paper rn, like need to burn multiple CDs on every pull

[cinder nova]

So don't use it wrong

[undone sun]

the main goal was to transfer magic damage mitigation to healers

[daring marlin]

Swole you're hilarious

[steel mauve]

other tanks deal with it better, but all tanks are in a worse spot now for it, they basically nerfed every ones magic defensive capability

[cinder nova]

I've never had issues of NF being interrupted