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modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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like most of your DR in m+ trash (aka aoe) is from block

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and there are 2 traits that directly affect that

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Idk how long it lasts but rev is two globals

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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one is a damage and survibility boost also

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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So if you miss a swing you might be fucmed

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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Warrior dps sims or riot

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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and it affects your whole kit instead of your worst one

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the Str on block one

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:31 PM

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We are left to speculate and guess till we have sims

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:32 PM

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yeah obvs this is feely craft

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the best kind of craft

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My impression of the idea is that it wont out perform our current best traits though

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Ye seem pretty set in stone

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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Aye

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I mean block is by far our most scalable defensive trait

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:33 PM

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.5% DR is ~500 damage from a melee attack that does 10k

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Now we just need actual choices on our talents rows ( besides the utility rows)

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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I just want AM and bolster baseline

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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AM?

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Anger management

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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Wait what, which melee atk does 10k o.0

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:34 PM

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IDK

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i just chose a number

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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My revenge's currently say like... 3.5k?

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Oh lol

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:35 PM

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i meant like an incoming melee attack

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not revenge lol

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if revenge did 10k i'd have a reason to press it 😄

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:36 PM

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Ohhhhh lol

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:36 PM

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im about to do it.

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boost a druid.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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i cant believe the most wholesome person in discord history plays alliance

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😠

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Boost another warrior

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Tbh with the name "catfriend" I legit assumed you were a druid that rerolled warr

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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Main double warrior

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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haha nah always been warrior

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and i have 2 warriors already

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one alliance (gnome) one horde (blood elf)

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:37 PM

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make a 3rd

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panda

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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Means you have room for a 3rd

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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one for each spec

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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U can never have nuff warriors

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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pft i hate arms spec

hollow bear Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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first night of mythic raiding holy shit i am so sad its not looking good for warriors

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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I knew I liked you Catfriend

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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arms is the best tho. you press 2 buttons then get up and make some popcorn while you wait 90 seconds for cooldowns

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:38 PM

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prot > fury >>>> arms

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Arms is fun.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Also dislike arms

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I love all of warrior's specs tbh

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I’ve always played arms and prot.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Its a lot more fun than last expac

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Fury is super fun now too.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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But its pure faceroll lol

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I need to play it more.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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but im also one of like 4 ppl that really enjoyed focused rage game play

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Madman

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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Ive always loved fury, too bad its been shit for 80% of the time i played

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 PM

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I liked it too ur not alone

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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my biggest problem with fury is how irrelevent all your buttons are

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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trying not to freak out that my addons are messed up on the druid

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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you have 3 generators and you could just have 1

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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Fury feels very 1234

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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fury /is/ very 1234

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i dont think thats bad

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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I’ll give you that FR gameplay required more....concentration? idk

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:40 PM

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especially with how FAST it is currently

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:41 PM

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It was definitely different lol

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I think that's its own form of engaging

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:41 PM

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Agree

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:41 PM

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I just think if im going to have 3 buttons I'd like them to feel like buttons?

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its hard to articulate my complaint

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suffice to say its not for me

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:42 PM

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Uniqueness in every cast is what ur missing

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Right?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:42 PM

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O.o idk about that, but I guess it's from actually playing so much, idk. But people have fealt the same about my complaints with Arms. End of the day that spec just isn't for me.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:42 PM

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@daring marlin i def liked that; you had to be cognative in how you spend your rage

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@surreal maple i guess? I just feel like blood lust and raging blow do not differentiate themselves that much from one another

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:43 PM

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Like yeah they all generate rage but it's not like each ability is just "does x dmg, generates x rage"

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:43 PM

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and it might be I just dislike my burst window being tied to a passive proc

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its also a rotation that i feel like you can master with like 20 minutes on a dummy and a TellMeWhen prompt

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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do boomkins use mana

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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only for their healing spells

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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ah ok

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:45 PM

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astral power otherwise

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there should be a link to he druid discord in #148872210742771712 if you have like REAL questions RE those specs @junior ivy

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:46 PM

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yeha im in it but they intimidate me

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ill try asking stuff tohugh lol

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:46 PM

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I got you

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hi I'm new, do boomkins use mana

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:47 PM

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Astral power is murder they milk dry the star juice

mild vigil Sep 17, 2018, 9:48 PM

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It appears we're somewhat rare in Uldir.

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broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:49 PM

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Gasp

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What a surprise

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 9:50 PM

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"warrior is fine mythic raiders are just too bad to play the class."

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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more like boomaster

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because they're lame

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booooo

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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"I suck my own cock every morning"

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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sense I saw was the only warrior clearing it anyways

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Got the same graph for normal and heroic?

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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on the first and 2nd week

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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Assuming it's similar

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:51 PM

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I mean

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raid composition shouldnt really matter in heroic progression, let alone normal

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both are really just do mechanics and dont stand in shit

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:52 PM

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I'm sorry i thought we were just saying stupid shit

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:52 PM

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😂

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 9:52 PM

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seems to be the norm as of late thyme

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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My prot paladin is rocking a sick level 32

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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omg i see thyme in the druid discord tooooo

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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😄

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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get ready to deal with my dumb questions in TWO discords now

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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oh boy

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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Bearfriend inc

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:53 PM

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DRUIDS MOUNT INSTANTLYY

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:54 PM

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But gnomes can't be druids?

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:54 PM

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Thyme is the man that bind the universe together hes everywhere he sees you in your sleep

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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thyme is one of the people that, if he tells me something, it might as well be blizzard themselves saying it cxause thats how much i trust it

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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Quick tell her to race change

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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oh man, that's a lot of weight

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:55 PM

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hahah

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:58 PM

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lol

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 10:01 PM

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U trust blizzard?

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In 2018?

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:02 PM

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🛡

errant thorn Sep 17, 2018, 10:03 PM

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$kick @surreal maple Change your avatar.

turbid robinBOT Sep 17, 2018, 10:03 PM

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Done.

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 PM

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Woah that avatar was dumb af lol

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 PM

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what was it

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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you can click his name and see it

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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ah

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 PM

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TY for keeping me busy till the end of my work day all

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ilu

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also for the help / encouragement to continue being a square holder

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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@broken kite you can just check # of total logs in WCL if you wanna see roughly how many people play; it's imperfect though, as not everyone logs

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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True

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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last time i checked we were around 8% in normal and heroic

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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bunch of private logs too

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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yea

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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when you play an alt you gotta re-explore areas?

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get flight paths again?

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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yes

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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yup

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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Shame there's no blizzard stats

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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but tbh, most of the private ones are of top guilds and a lot of those arent using us

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

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idd

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still skews results

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 PM

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yea

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like i said, it's imperfect, but it'll still probably be accurate enough within a fair margin for error

gusty ravine Sep 17, 2018, 10:22 PM

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Hey guys. One of my guild's tanks is absent tonight and we are looking for someone to pug with us. 6pm MST Alliance. Would anyone like to come?

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 10:25 PM

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Wonder what will be announced tomorrow, much class tuning you guys reckon?

rich robin Sep 17, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Did block get nerfed? I just noticed that my block was 40.something% and now it's 38.55%

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 10:27 PM

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nope hasnt changed

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:27 PM

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you're probably targetting a boss

rich robin Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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Oh I'm a noob

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I figured it out

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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guys, a little advice, ive been told from my guild that i have to swtich to dps even though i have tanked heroic and 3 mythic bosses absolutly fine. Im not really sure what to do, if i should find a new guild as a tank or try and sort my dps spec out. im not too keep on dps to be honest and i think im a much better tank. Are people so affraid of prot these days?

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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did they tell you why

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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yes there is a stigma on prot

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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if they gave no reason. Ditch em

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:28 PM

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no it isn't fully justified

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

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i made a few minor mistakes as everyone does, but its just because they dont want a prot warrior in my opinion

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but so did everyone else in the raid group

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

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There is no justification tbh, so unless you have some ties to the guild like good friends or something that you value over this, I would say fck em

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:29 PM

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if theyre benching you over a class choice and you arent in a top 50 guild

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theyre dicks and you should bail

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:30 PM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

rich robin Sep 17, 2018, 10:30 PM

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Time to find a new guild IMO. The stigma around prot warriors is unjustified.

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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thats what i think too. but im not sure how other guilds approach prot warriors these days.

rich robin Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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My guild loves me tanking

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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most dont to be honest

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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i mean, vdh was said to be worst tank for m+, but my cotank is one and isdoing great

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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Sounds like the type of guild to make a drastic raid strat change after two wipes becuase surely that will fix the problem
Their attempt at scapegoating and benching you says more about them than you

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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for raids

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errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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theres some people i really like in the guild and it would be sad to leave them but only a select few

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:31 PM

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i mean Rigg is using VDH in BL atm

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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they havent benched me, they want me to play arms

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but if they dont take me along next week as arms i wont be happy

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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have you tried arms this expac?

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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yeah i do shit lol

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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lol

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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around 9-10k dps

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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Nah fck that. Play what you want to play.

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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simed at around 11k

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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How do i check my logs

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:32 PM

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www.warcraftlogs.com

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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Tell em to EaD imo. But you know, maybe nicely.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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here's the thing, it'll be rough to find another guild 3/8M who will recruit a prot warr right now too

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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yeah, you are going to have a hard time getting picked up as a prot tank right now

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there is a serious stigma floating around

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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thats my thinking.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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so unless you're ok with stepping backwards, you could try to wait it out and come in when they need you and show that it's not all gloom and doom

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you'll be useful on Fetid

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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do you not enjoy arms or are you just worrried about performance?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

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so you can tell them do EaD as Carn says but personally i think that's a stupid move

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Tell em you're committed to tanking on your warrior, and explain to them why they are wrong in thinking its a class problem that simply switching you to arms would switch

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

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i mean, if you like playing with them, but they only want a non prot warrior, then i think you liking them is one sided

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:34 PM

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Its a silly and shortsighted move on their part, and you have to explain that to them if you really want to stay in guild and continue tanking

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that they already seem committed to that change, and that they thought that was somehow going to fix your guild's progression problem tells me you aren't dealing with the most thorough and forward-thinking individuals, however.

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:35 PM

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How do i check my logs from the site? Do u have to log in

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I searched my name

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:35 PM

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the instructions are on the site

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:35 PM

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just worried about perfomance mainly and i enjoy tanking

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:35 PM

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it's not crazy complicated but its not simple enough to explain here

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

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Can someone check my profile and see if im doing this right

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

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What i need to improve on

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Ahh so i have to log on to the site

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:36 PM

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download the app on this page to upload logs

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i dont know if you necessarily have to log in

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but it sure wont hurt lol

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err yes, you do

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:37 PM

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It will be rough to find another guild ready to jump on taking you in, but speaking from my own experience at least, it is far FAR easier to hold onto a tank spot elsewhere, than give up your tank spot in guild and hope at some point you get it back.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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@winter skiff what's your character's name

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Gulkamania

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From thrall

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/gulkamania?mode=detailed&zone=19#difficulty=3

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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Wanna know if im doing good

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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based on your %, no

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but there's a lot more to look at than just that

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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on your normal mother kill

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:38 PM

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i mean, i think i play prot warrior really well, everyone i team up with in mythic+ dungeons always compliment me. I use my CDs well and keep a good uptime of IP

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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you blocked twice

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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also looks like you're primarily arms, so you'd prob want to check there

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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So really @errant coral it's something none of us can answer for you. Just gotta decide, which means more to you, sticking with tanking, or hanging out with your current guildmates if they decide they don't want you tanking anymore.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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in 4 minutes

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there is a LOT of basic stuff that needs to happen here lol

errant coral Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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lol

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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two shield blocks and zero ignore pains

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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yea that's bad

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:39 PM

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i feel like this log might even be glitched from how not great this is

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this shows you using almost zero defensive abilities

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which is obviously not ideal for a tank

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 10:41 PM

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@grim prism maybe he was first through, killin blobs

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:42 PM

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2 SB casts the entire fight is bad no matter which way you look at it

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Zero IP, woof

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

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when I do the fight it's mainly IP to help w/ defense grid

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

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there were zert IPS

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

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and my first3 through are DH's and me, so they get permastunned

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oh

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yeah that's not good

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

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there were none of those though

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Like, legit zero defensive abilities used aside from SB being cast twice

floral rock Sep 17, 2018, 10:44 PM

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I think we get the point

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:44 PM

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I would say check the pins and read through how to play prot

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Nothing that can be said without coming off prickish tbh. This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how to place the class/spec.

lunar skiff Sep 17, 2018, 10:46 PM

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Hey quick question guys, if i use IP and do 30k shield, the next hit who normally hit me for 120k, would hit me for 30k

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?

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because normally IP reduces 50% incoming dmg for a maximum of x, does it mean it would only negate the maximum of x ? nothing more ?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:49 PM

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@knotty ermine i mean, that's why people come here, to ask questions to get better

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he was asking how to read logs to get better himself

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i think that deserves a better attitude

shell night Sep 17, 2018, 10:49 PM

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@lunar skiff If ip was 20k and u got hit for 100k you would take 80k damage. But if ip was 20k and you got hit for 10k you would take 5k damage and have 15k ip left

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 10:50 PM

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yesss please be nice to people that are learnign and trying to better themselves

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:51 PM

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So do you want me to write out a full guide on playing prot, since the logs are showing a complete misunderstanding of how to play the class, or direct them to existing material and say come back if you have additional questions? Sometimes things don't translate well via text but I promise I am not intending on coming off as a being dickish. If anything I want more people playing prot so they can see the spec isn't shit.

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I merely pointed out that there were 2 SB casts the entire fight, and literally no other defensives used, at all. Feel free to expand on that feedback if you see something I missed, or could have said better.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:52 PM

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you can do exactly what you said, recommend them to check out the pins and to start by simply using SB more often. Come back with further questions

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:53 PM

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But it's not just about using SB "more often," it needs to be used effectively.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:53 PM

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yes but you cant overload a person with info

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get started, refine from there

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you can give a dissertation, ppl will walk away with very little.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Or, idk, maybe point them to a guide that summarizes it all in both an "easymode" format and also an in-depth and detailed outline of everything related to the spec?

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 PM

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Starting out with the basics is easiest.

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You can't overload them, as someone said.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Which, is literally what I did. Apologies if you know, my intent didn't translate well to text n stuff.

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 PM

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If they aren't using SB or IP, then the first step is obviously to get them to learn how the class works, not overload them with, "You have to be using SB 100% effectively 100% of the time while also not wasting any Rage by capping it and that means you need to..."

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Because they'll get lost

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 PM

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Didnt marok write a section for starting players in the guide?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 10:57 PM

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Which is literally what I said, wrapped up in the statement of "this shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the class, I would start with a guide in the pins"

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And there is literally an "easymode" short/condensed version in the guide.

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I pointed out that zero defensives were used, and that's a bad thing. Here's a place you can go to learn in-depth as to why.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:58 PM

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anyways, it's good, we just dont want to scare away new ppl is all

storm valley Sep 17, 2018, 10:58 PM

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anyone got thoughts on Deck vs. 365 Vial of Animated Blood?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 10:58 PM

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since a lot of people (not even saying you) tend to just laugh off bad players who are clearly just looking for help in the first place, which imo means a lot

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 10:59 PM

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@lunar skiff when you have IP up 50% of any type of damage goes to the shield and 50% to you. If the hit is bigger than IP then IP will get consumed and the remaining damage will go directly to you

signal plover Sep 17, 2018, 10:59 PM

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If u wanna overload a newbie have em DM Ikari and ask them how prot should be improved

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 11:00 PM

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for what it's worth too, if anyone new is reading, specific questions tend to get better answers than general ones, makes it easier to help

lunar skiff Sep 17, 2018, 11:08 PM

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Ty mate

fresh dragon Sep 17, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Hi: Some Tips for ZEK'VOZ Mythic (not related to was class) to do the dogs without having a DK tank?

weary notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:28 PM

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how are you all handling the adds on Vectis? I've been in a number of pugs that want me to taunt them, which makes sense, but I always end up with taunt on CD when the other tank gets 2 stacks. It always seems to time out so that if both tanks taunt the adds, one of the tanks gets 3 stacks, and one of the tanks dies. I've tried using crashing thunder, which lets me cleave to the adds (sometimes I can cleave to them without it). I've also tried heroic throw, but often the add is too close. What am I doing wrong?

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 11:29 PM

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walk up, attack it

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the group should be ojn opposite side ofthe boss

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 11:29 PM

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if you're on cd from taunt means the other tank is free

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he gets the add

weary notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:31 PM

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maybe it's the strat these pugs are using. The one time I tried to walk close I got omega vector, got yelled and and told to go back to my spot (which just gave it to the other tank).

iron forum Sep 17, 2018, 11:32 PM

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what spell reflect will and wont actually reflect has always seemed random to me, what are some important m+ abilities that it does work on?

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 11:32 PM

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I just tell the other tank to taunt it

weary notch Sep 17, 2018, 11:33 PM

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I feel like the add doesn't hit all that hard, and spends a lot of it's time casting (so not hitting anyone). So it would be easier to let it run to the group

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 11:33 PM

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@iron forum pins

iron forum Sep 17, 2018, 11:33 PM

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thanks, appreciate it

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 11:33 PM

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general rule is it's mostly single target magic abilities

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but there have been some exceptions

broken kite Sep 17, 2018, 11:37 PM

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Stuff that aren't long channeled abilities

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 11:57 PM

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@broken kite but you can reflect the masterminds in motherlode

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their long casted abillity

surreal stump Sep 17, 2018, 11:58 PM

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^

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 12:00 AM

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1 chested a +9 😄

prisma crane Sep 18, 2018, 12:00 AM

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woo!

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 12:01 AM

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same dungeon i spent 4 hours in on +11 the other night...

barren anvil Sep 18, 2018, 12:04 AM

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Where do y'all usually tank cragmaw (2nd boss in Underrot)? Holding him against a wall makes the charge easier, but it can be hard to get the maggots on the other side of the room during rampage

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 12:05 AM

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I usually just tank him in the middle

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where he is before you start the fight

ember arrow Sep 18, 2018, 12:06 AM

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oof

signal palm Sep 18, 2018, 12:09 AM

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@barren anvil I pull him to the wall, with my back to the wall

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@barren anvil That way his infestation clips into the ground and you can just sidestep and clear them all

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@barren anvil On his charge I try and line myself up with the most ticks and charge at him, hits everyone in the straight path, then kite him back to wall for next Infestation.

rugged plinth Sep 18, 2018, 12:19 AM

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Any other opinions on bloodsport vs laser matrix in m+ I know the leech is negligible

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 12:24 AM

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btw, today I learned that having a Great healer vs having a Good healer makes a really big difference

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did a +10 manor today with a holy priest, I did like a million mistakes and NOBODY died

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was losing aggro, was pulling packs unintentioally, pulled boss when he was like 20% mana, we got though it

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with any other healer we would be still there

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 12:27 AM

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Now imagine if the whole group was good

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 12:29 AM

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they were 😄

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rarely happens with pugs

alpine mantle Sep 18, 2018, 12:30 AM

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So are we really the worst tanks in the game atm?

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 12:31 AM

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no

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gr8 b8 m8

alpine mantle Sep 18, 2018, 12:31 AM

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Guild keeps trashing on me choosing warrior

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 12:33 AM

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community perception says we're trash but if you play good you'll be fine

cinder pasture Sep 18, 2018, 12:34 AM

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If your guild keeps trashing on you, maybe your a shitty warrior ? 😂 (Just joking ❤ )

alpine mantle Sep 18, 2018, 12:34 AM

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I’m not tanking at the moment..... going arms. But they kept saying how bad warriors are for tanks

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I have tanked a few mythics..... no big issue really. Kind of got a late start in bfa......just wondering the tanking hierarchy atm

cinder pasture Sep 18, 2018, 12:36 AM

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I'm tanking on my warrior, never had a single person in my guild complain about my class. Sure they joke about warrior tanks being shitty, but thats just it; jokes 😄

alpine mantle Sep 18, 2018, 12:37 AM

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@cinder pasture thanks!

sharp sable Sep 18, 2018, 12:38 AM

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Maybe by the time I level an orc 20-120 prot will be buffed ?

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 12:38 AM

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The only jokes I get while playing prot are getting hit by back attacks but that's just me being a shitty player 😛

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 12:38 AM

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if you level really.... really slowly

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sure

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anything is possible in a life time

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😄

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 12:39 AM

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LOL

alpine mantle Sep 18, 2018, 12:39 AM

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I just love the mobility we have. Makes the class fun

inner trail Sep 18, 2018, 12:39 AM

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Yeah I got into a group with a good mw healer and my hp was constantly full, like I thought I entered a lower key by mistake. Was such a breeze

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 12:39 AM

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I like the damage we do in aoe

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 12:40 AM

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Inb4 nerf

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"we felt protection warrior's damage was too high"

winter skiff Sep 18, 2018, 12:43 AM

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so i loggedd into logs

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now is it on for me if i run mythic + now

steel mauve Sep 18, 2018, 12:44 AM

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you have to type /combatlog in game

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and you should get a message saying combat being logged to wowcombatlog.txt or some thing of that naute

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nature*

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and you can either live log or upload logs after the run is done depending on how you want to do it

winter skiff Sep 18, 2018, 12:45 AM

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ok

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 12:45 AM

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Exorsus' Raid Tools has an option to automatically combat log instances

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including M+

prisma crane Sep 18, 2018, 12:46 AM

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And Don't forget the advanced combat log toggle i mentioned earlier

steel mauve Sep 18, 2018, 12:47 AM

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i use autologger to do it as well

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ya, you need to turn on the option for advanced combatlogging

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well dont need to, but it adds more information and doesnt hurt

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 12:56 AM

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what food do u guys prefer to eat for progression?

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i just joined a raid group and i'm looking into what the best foods and pots are for haste

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but i've seen some people discussing strength being an option, switching to arms/fury, taking str, then switching back? did i read that right?

errant coral Sep 18, 2018, 12:57 AM

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Pocky, it's all on icey veins

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 12:57 AM

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OH

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duh

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oops

errant coral Sep 18, 2018, 12:58 AM

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:) but you want str pots

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And if possible the feast for str

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 12:59 AM

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okok

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 1:02 AM

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I thought you meant like irl food and was so confused for a few seconds

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:36 AM

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is it worth it to take an ilvl upgrade if you can only access first ring traits?

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there are no 2nd ring traits worth taking a 15 ilvl downgrade vs no trait are there?

dawn palm Sep 18, 2018, 1:40 AM

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is it just me or did they change demoralizing shout to 15sec CD?

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 1:40 AM

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Check honour talents

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:40 AM

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thats a pvp talent

dawn palm Sep 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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OH rip

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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god tier pvp talent as well

knotty ermine Sep 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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DC survived

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...this pass

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https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1101602-azerite-trait-tuning-september-17/

cloud bone Sep 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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to be fair they haven't really touched tanks since bfa came out

stoic kite Sep 18, 2018, 1:42 AM

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hows the vers trinket from guthan?

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g'hun

restive mauve Sep 18, 2018, 1:43 AM

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What about the axe from dharok?

stoic kite Sep 18, 2018, 1:43 AM

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only if you have the whole set

restive mauve Sep 18, 2018, 1:43 AM

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👀

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:44 AM

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dharok's isnt worth trying to tank with compared to the guthan set bonus

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heal proc op

stoic kite Sep 18, 2018, 1:44 AM

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but it never procs

restive mauve Sep 18, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Veracs, stable threat generation

stoic kite Sep 18, 2018, 1:44 AM

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no shields

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:45 AM

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honestly i have no god damn clue which one does what anymore except guthan heals somehow

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i loved running barrows but never got a set

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 1:47 AM

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spell reflected Lord Stormsong's void bolt for 90k, lol

glossy bramble Sep 18, 2018, 1:50 AM

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lul nice

solid bronze Sep 18, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Anyone got a good Azerite Power Traits import string?

serene jackal Sep 18, 2018, 2:05 AM

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Accorsing to the top M+ Prot warriors seem to be using alot of "Crit" gear Priority (1) haste second stat is normally crit at least on the top 5 ranked prot warriors for M+

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any logic to this ? other then damage bonus ?

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 2:06 AM

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I see that theres a list of uldir spells that can and cant be reflected, has anyone made one for m+ bosses yet?

serene jackal Sep 18, 2018, 2:07 AM

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U can reflect Waycrest every targetable ability

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:07 AM

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same spreadsheet

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at the top of the page there's tabs for each dungeon

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:07 AM

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Probably just got alot of haste crit gear

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Haste is the priority

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 2:07 AM

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thanks @undone sun apparently im just stupid

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didn't even notice

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:09 AM

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Maybe crit for parry in high m+ and threat generation

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 2:09 AM

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is prot as bad as everyone is saying?

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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no dude

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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no

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nononononono

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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and we arent gonna prove u wrong

serene jackal Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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it definately needs azerite traits... but from what ive seen PLAYER makes the class

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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beGONE

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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is it fun to play? thats honestly most im worried about

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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it really is 😃

serene jackal Sep 18, 2018, 2:10 AM

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FUN... yes and no......

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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unlocking mag'har orcs today and was going to level one

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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not getting invited to high key because people think prot sucks, feelsbadman

serene jackal Sep 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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If ignore pain was OFF GCD it would be most fun tank spec in game

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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i love zipping all over the dungeon like a madman

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click, do u have Proven Defender achievement?

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it's helped me get into groups based on that lol

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:11 AM

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what is that

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:12 AM

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proving trials, endless tank, get to wave 30

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and u look good when trying to join a group

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 2:12 AM

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ive found that just having done a +10 in time gets me invited despite the warrior tank stigma

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but I still get a lot of healers complaining about having to heal a warrior tank before the dungeon starts

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:12 AM

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but can't get into +10 in the first place, catch 22

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 2:13 AM

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do u whisper the party leader to let em know u did a +10 on time? or do they look at ur stats? or?

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 2:14 AM

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just do it with your own stone, that's what I did. just bounced between 9 and 10 keys a few times until I got a 10 freehold which was relatively easy

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:14 AM

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i just join chill/no pressure groups who arent trying to push

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 2:14 AM

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thanks for the input guys, i'll see you guys in a couple weeks tanking hahah

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 2:14 AM

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plus this week warriors are actually good m+ tanks, clapping everything back into the dark ages removes skittish from the game

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so this is the week to do it

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okay well maybe not good as in better than other tanks, but were viable in high stones this week

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:16 AM

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the proven defender thing looks nice, I have legion tank challenge done early, wish they made that the requirement, literal spend half a day on it

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:17 AM

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I should probably redo that

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I presume it hasnt rolled over from last expac lol

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If its anything like the last time I did it, it's a choreorgraphy check more than anything

midnight ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:19 AM

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isn't it trivial now with high ilvl

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:19 AM

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I mean it was literally always scaled to a low ilvl

hushed minnow Sep 18, 2018, 2:19 AM

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It scales up to you instead of scaling you down

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It was a meme last time I tried it

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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So put all your shit in void storage and use an ICC set just like world content

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Got it

graceful linden Sep 18, 2018, 2:22 AM

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Guys, i have a 350 ring 180 haste and 191 mastery (with +27 haste)

I just got a 370 +151 verst +255 mastery

should i equip it? My stats are 36% haste (with into the fray) 29% mastery and 6% vers

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:22 AM

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ok question

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can i use shadowed unit frames on one toon, but grid2 on another?

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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You would need to deactivate them between logins I think

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@graceful linden yes

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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there's a way to set addons per character

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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yeha i wanna do it without doing it manually

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like i want grid2 for my druid

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but i dont need it for warrior

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i like SUF

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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📎 unknown.png

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:23 AM

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yesss

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thyme to the rescue

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wait where are you seeing that lol

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:24 AM

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character page after you log in

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 2:24 AM

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ty ty

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whys vuhdo soo confusing

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:28 AM

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i don't use it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

west kayak Sep 18, 2018, 2:29 AM

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I have run over 15 M+ Tol Dagor and never seen anyone get the Jes Howler... Is it just extremely rare or...?

spice ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:32 AM

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I’ve seen a few. Not run tol Dagor a lot though

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Mate has a 370 on his fury

west kayak Sep 18, 2018, 2:32 AM

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Just sucks, beginning to dislike that place. 😃

spice ferry Sep 18, 2018, 2:33 AM

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It’s pretty aids haha

west kayak Sep 18, 2018, 2:34 AM

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Running Blockades and Fathoms atm cause I cant get anything else it seems...

weary notch Sep 18, 2018, 2:39 AM

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I thought someone in here said something about doing AD M+ by pulling Rezan first and then going straight to each boss after that. tried it but the gates are locked. Is there a trick I'm missing or was this person mistaken?

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:39 AM

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Need someone to help me test out a cheese double prot warrior strategy

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for science

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 2:42 AM

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what is it, could probably weigh in here

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:42 AM

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Use bodygaurd on eachother

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block all physical damage with shield block

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have shield slam procs forever

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Might work out, but you’d need a heals for magic damage for 3v3

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:44 AM

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i realize that

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this would be an antimelee cheese

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Not sure about the 2 v 2 situation tho

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Yep

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Like facing warrior and rogues you might be good

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:44 AM

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Will you test it with me

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Just in a Skirmish

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:45 AM

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Can’t i’m not at my computer atm

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But yeah that probably could work

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@undone sun are you volunteering?

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:45 AM

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prot in arenas

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Well might work out alright with trinkets and all

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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I assume you guys would be relying on the disc for dps in this hypothetical situation

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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this is a fun test dude

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its not serious

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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^

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Maybe the other team will die of boredom if you do that @worn stag

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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Oh I can clearly see its not serious

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:46 AM

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tone the neckbeard down

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:47 AM

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Kappa

gaunt coyote Sep 18, 2018, 2:48 AM

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can we get armor to damage conversions someday?

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Get what now?

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Warrrior as it in heatstrone

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so maybe

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:49 AM

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Is that some kind of pasta

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:50 AM

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No, thats typing on a iphone for ya

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 2:50 AM

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I spend probably 40% of my typing time on smartphone backspacing shit out

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:rip:

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:51 AM

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Not even trying that on an old SE, not worth my time lol

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:52 AM

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Why are warrior tanks so bad?

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 2:53 AM

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oh boy

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:53 AM

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They were great in legion. What happened?

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 2:53 AM

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they got harder to play

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still fine in good hands

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easy to die

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Still looking for a friend to help me test out double bodygaurd

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:54 AM

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Very easy to die... Im main healer. I refuse to take warr tanks anymore

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Impossible for me to keep them alive

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 2:55 AM

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🤷

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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They just get dicked on something fierce. Its depressing. Im leveling a warrior now to feel for myself wtf is going on

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Gee idk

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Can you link your heal parses ? Might be part of the problem

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Kappa

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And i'M out

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:56 AM

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Might be. Might not be since literally every other healer ive talked to has the exact same problem

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:57 AM

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I've done 8/8 heroic and 2/8 mythic as prot

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Obviously not a class problem

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:57 AM

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I can heal 320 tanks through +6's

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I cant heal a 360 warr through a +4

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Shit war then

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:57 AM

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Full hots and they still get 1 shot on pull

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:57 AM

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War is skill reliant

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Bad wars are worthless

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Good wars are a gem

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Well, i am on US. If its skill, this is why

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Us players are autistic

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 2:58 AM

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well that explains the vast generalisations

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Lmao

lusty grotto Sep 18, 2018, 2:59 AM

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deffo shit war

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Welp

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can't be done

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can't enter as double tank

lusty grotto Sep 18, 2018, 2:59 AM

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try dual wielding shields

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 2:59 AM

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Lol, you can't enter with 2 tanks ?

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dafuq blizz, why no fun

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 3:00 AM

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It would be a fun bully team in BGs

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 3:01 AM

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I think tanks shouldnt be allowed in any arena, and heals not allowed in 2s.

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 3:01 AM

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you don't think 10 minute long 2s games are fun?

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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No

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No i dont

worn stag Sep 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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haha

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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There are 3s that last forever too

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Wizard comps with hybrids

white valley Sep 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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Yeah, but theyre more balanced than 2s

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 3:02 AM

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ResidentSleeper

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Actually in my 2s we win via mana attrition quite a lot lol

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Doesn't take long to oom a healer now

gaunt coyote Sep 18, 2018, 3:04 AM

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I wont play prot in arena without warbringer

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my 5 seconds of nondr stun 😢

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 3:06 AM

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10 minute arena games are long?

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i still remember 30 min resto druid pillar hugging sl/sl locks

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yikes

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 3:07 AM

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people are taking prot warriors to Arena groups ?

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 3:09 AM

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Yeah 2s in bfa don't last forever

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It's quite ok compared to tbc lmao

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 3:10 AM

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Yeah just shocked people would be willing to run a Prot Warrior in a comp with as much crap talking as we get as tanks

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But I can see it being decent if the 2s match does not last too long

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 3:16 AM

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to be clear

grim zenith Sep 18, 2018, 3:18 AM

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@white valley if that prot war is dying at 360ilvl on pull on a +4 then he's either drooling on his keyboard or afk because even without ignore pain or any other defensives they shouldn't be dying like that lol

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 3:21 AM

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there are like a dozen prot wars over 2k; the whole idea is reducing so much damage that you just outlive the other team through dampening

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i hear it's very shitty yo play against

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lol there are three prot wars at 2k on the 2v2 ladder right now

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 3:21 AM

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I have died on some +8 +9 and what not but that is because I have had to pug quite a few and dps would hurr durr and let everything cast and well thats not a happy scenario

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Its not to say I was not shutting down every cast I could but pugs will be pugs

modern brook Sep 18, 2018, 3:23 AM

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is moving from haste mastery ->haste versatility worth -5 ilvls from a survavbility perspective?

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:24 AM

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No

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 3:24 AM

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uh no

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:24 AM

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Vers/mast are equal

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Ilvl is ahead

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 3:25 AM

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5 ilevels is usually enough to warrant to swap for better stats but verse vs. mastery is fight dependent

modern brook Sep 18, 2018, 3:26 AM

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TY for perspective all

dark junco Sep 18, 2018, 3:27 AM

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In azerite slot, i dont swap unless its good traits, but thats me

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And since they didn’t even touch tanks...

empty birch Sep 18, 2018, 3:31 AM

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ooooooh man mythic vectis as a prot warrior is not fun at all

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 3:33 AM

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Yeah dots are not fun for us

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I'm prob dpsing that fight and letting dk tank

fringe marten Sep 18, 2018, 3:35 AM

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I want to like this spore trinket...but..ugh, it's kinda' junky

amber siren Sep 18, 2018, 3:35 AM

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it's bad

fringe marten Sep 18, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Right..but on paper, what it does..should be SO good

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 3:36 AM

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what hurts most from vectis?

fringe marten Sep 18, 2018, 3:36 AM

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uhh...evolving? something?

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the tank dot

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 3:36 AM

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ah

fringe marten Sep 18, 2018, 3:36 AM

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Also what hurts most on vectis? killing him on heroic for the second week and GETTING NO SHIELD

empty birch Sep 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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the tank dot + melee from boss and adds

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/area-52/Travéx this warr full of all +11-13s.

World of Warcraft

Travéx - WoW

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doesn't stack vers tho.

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haste, crit, mastery.

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#1 in my battlegroup reee

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:37 AM

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Probably stacks ilvl

fringe marten Sep 18, 2018, 3:38 AM

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what a slut..how lucky..look at that shield

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WITH avoidance?

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THIS GUY

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I'm legit petitioning to have his shield scrapped..and have it replaced with a blue world drop~~~

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How good is that Gore crusted butchers block for tanking? I've had one...used it, it seemed ok? looks like he's trinking for pure dps.

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:41 AM

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I can’t believe that they aren’t touching the prot traits

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Or rather aren’t touching them in that first round

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 3:42 AM

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https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Travéx#season=season-bfa-1

Raider.IO

WoW Rankings - Raider.IO

World of Warcraft Raid and Mythic Plus Rankings

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makes me a little sad.

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granted, he raids too. I have no tiem to raid. <_>

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:44 AM

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Why does that make you sad?

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 3:44 AM

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cus cant raid.

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:45 AM

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Why can’t you raid?

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 3:46 AM

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Why are you asking me to repeat myself? Are you another troll sinking into here?

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Just curious, scrolled up and didn’t see why you can’t

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But ok

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Think it's when he says he has no time to raid

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:50 AM

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Oh

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I’m the opposite

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Response seems needlessly aggressive though :p

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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All my time is spent on raids

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Skyhold still has that cheerful atmosphere I see ^^

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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So I barely get time to do m+

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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We're all angry

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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we've been getting trolled on pretty hard today huh

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Warriors

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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my rage is reaching 100

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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rage is our primary resource, it's expected

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😡

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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😡 😡

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Well, considering 95% of us talent 'Anger Management'...

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Angerey reaccs only plz

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Then when you die inside you reroll dk

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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ain't that the truth

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Or drink to dull the pain and reroll brewmaster

neon tangle Sep 18, 2018, 3:53 AM

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Once you have sacrificed your liver to the alcoholism you can reroll demon hunter

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 3:54 AM

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ah well, PTR announcement tomorrow

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hopefully they'll include warriors this time

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 3:55 AM

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Lol

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 3:56 AM

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I hope they get prot aoe in line

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 3:56 AM

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Ah yes the optimistic "maybe" they will include warriors... less you remember according to the powers that be we are fine and need no buffs " because we don't understand just how much damage a Warrior can block"

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Which we do block a ton of damage but that being said it only matters if it can be blocked

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Look, I understand and appreciate that warriors can work in the right hands, some people even excel at them. With that said, from what I can tell the majority of people that played and enjoyed warrior during past expansions are unhappy with the gameplay and/or having a hard time playing them right now

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the "high ceiling, low floor" examples have been listed ad nauseam

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as far as I'm concerned warriors could benefit from some Quality of Life improvements to raise the floor a bit

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Lower the floor?

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:00 AM

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personally I'd appreciate a complete redraft since I think the one we have right now is incredibly clunky and counter-intuitive, but I realize the odds of that are low

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nope, raise the floor

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Or lower

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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My only gripe is setting around and being seen as a tank that can get the job done if played well, but the fact that we keeping seeing people that feel your better off playing something else

grim prism Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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/shrug

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Our toolkit is unintuitive?

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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I think it is, yes

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:02 AM

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Do you feel like you shouldn't block damage?

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And maximize effective block

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Cause that's what the toolkit does

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 4:03 AM

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Here is a example... I know pugging is generally cancer by itself, but try having to pug as a Prot Warrior and see how many favorable responses you get

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:03 AM

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our toolkit currently recommends us burning a DPS cooldown pre-pull (avatar) and burn an emergency health cooldown (last stand) to maintain normal mitigation uptime

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both of these are counterintuitive

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it leads to people trying to cast Avatar after they charge in (and getting GCD-choked)

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Last stand is a large defensive xooldown

waxen cradle Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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Well in M+ of course

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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or saving Last Stand for emergencies and so suffering while SB is on CD for ~16 seconds and they have nothing else to throw up

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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If you don't need that extra block

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You don't need that cooldown

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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TFW you sit on Last Stand for emergency so you create an emergency because you didn't use last stand to fill gaps in SB uptime 🤔

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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indeed

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:05 AM

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Dancing rune weapon is a dps and surivivability cd

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:05 AM

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I think examples like these are a big part of why people consider warriors poor tanks

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:05 AM

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I mean, we have a single major CD (shieldwall) which puts us on par with the other tanks more or less

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Once you have gotten over a hump of gearing

open bluff Sep 18, 2018, 4:05 AM

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only nobody uses drw for the parry vel

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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I'm... not so sure

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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I mean the other tanking specs more or less, have 1 large damage reduction CD

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we have many CDs, but only one is really a "OSHIT" button

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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Icebound Fortitude/Vampiric Blood/DRW

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bonestorm and the gravestone thing if talented

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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and even then it can be used as a preemptive large reduction rotationally if you know a spike is inc.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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very true

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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IBF - Shieldwall

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Vamp is more or less Demo shout for BDK

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its intended ot be frequently used

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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I'd compare vamp to LS personally

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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Sure, warriors could use some qol changes

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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you could do that

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I Mean, I'm not having any issues tanking as a warrior 😉

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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But I think your doomsaying is a little hysterical

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:08 AM

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hang on, who's doomsaying?

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:08 AM

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I think the only real thing we need to get people off our asses, is to get a utility buff

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Lets petition for the return of Gag order

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also, Dragon Charge in PVE for some knockback action

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:08 AM

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something to give us more control over casters would be very welcome indeed

vivid sage Sep 18, 2018, 4:08 AM

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Maybe I'm reading too far in between the lines here

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:09 AM

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sanguine being the first week didnt do us any favors as far as the meta was concerned

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:09 AM

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Sanguine was me yelling at my DPS a lot

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:09 AM

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good times ^^

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especially bad affix considering many people didnt really know the dungeons yet

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Waycrest was a pain early on

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:10 AM

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"Line of sighting so they don't stand in their own poo..., L O S guys......GET BEHIND THE F**KING WALL YOU FLIPPERHANDED MONKEY"

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:10 AM

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"oh, we need to go through that doorway? The one with six sanguine pools in it? Neat."

uneven mason Sep 18, 2018, 4:10 AM

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Yeah that I think wa my #2 yell of the week "Don't stun it in the doorway..don't stun...ok don't kil....fucking shit guys

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 4:14 AM

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Just grip it out mate

weary notch Sep 18, 2018, 4:17 AM

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https://wow.gamepedia.com/Glyph_of_Gag_Order

Wowpedia

Glyph of Gag Order

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:17 AM

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Legion Patch 7.0.3 (2016-07-19): Removed.

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:21 AM

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I blow SW to wipe through big mythic+ packs :>

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then I eat chocolate chip cookies as a reward

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:23 AM

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I feel like the biggest problem with prot right now is that in order to play effectively, you have to use your defensives preactively BEFORE the damage actually comes in, which required lots of knowledge of a specific fight to know how and when to most efficiently use them, whereas other tanks defensives can be used reactively AFTER they take damage, which is much easier to maximize effincey for without needed to know the exact ins and outs of every fight, and the payoff for executing this more difficult approach perfectly doesn't give a better result than any other tank

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plus if you mess up or have to use your defensives at an awkward time, we're paper tanks without anything up

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:25 AM

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how do i know where safe areas are on last boss of motherlode?

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i see where the helicopters go.. but i dunno where to take him

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:25 AM

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watch the little helicopter bombers

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they always strafe in a straight line in the direction they're facing

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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it takes too long for me to find botrh

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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delegate

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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they want me to do iut

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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as soon as you see what direction they're heading you know what's safe

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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but i find one and the nby the time i find the 2nd its too late

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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have someone call out what section is safe, like back left or front right with voice comms

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:26 AM

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^

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:27 AM

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they wont

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they want me to do it

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:27 AM

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well then tell them to enjoy dying

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:27 AM

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get a better group? it's a team effort

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okay, not that constructive. Try this:

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put markers n each corner

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as soon as you see what marker its heading for, you know a line from that marker is unsafe

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so if you have:

skull/cross
square/green

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and it's heading For Cross/Green

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you know skull is gonna be safe

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:28 AM

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them saying that you have to do it is like being that god damn kid in a group project who refuses to do anything and just expects you to pull their weight for them and get them a good grade

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theyre force feeding themselves a shit sandwhich by not helping

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:29 AM

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to be fair there's not that much else going on for tanks in that fight

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:29 AM

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theres not really much going on for anyone in that fight

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:29 AM

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missiles wont target you so all you have to do is sidestep the gatling and keep aggro

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:30 AM

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i cant do it

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im bad at this

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:30 AM

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range have a bit of busywork - they have to alternate being far enough away to tank the missile and close enough to sidestep the gatling

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(assuming they cant blink through etc ofc)

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are you having a hard time finding the helicopters?

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:30 AM

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you can actually just walk through gattling gun too at 30 yards, I did a +10 this week and the range who did that only took like 20k dmg from it

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cause you ge thti by less ticks by being father away

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:31 AM

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the range died when they tried to do it on my run on a +9, but they may have been out of position

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dunno, I wasnt playing range

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:31 AM

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I just sit right under the boss for gatling. never hits.

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just like I do for cross-ignition on last tall dagger boss. never hits.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

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that sounds like something that'll get a stealth patch one of these days ^^

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then again, plenty of bugs higher on the fix list (or at least I sure hope so)

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

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thats its mechanics. thats how its arc of fire works.

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lol

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smh

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

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pulling thrash through the floor in waycrest never gets old

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:33 AM

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s'how it was on beta too.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:33 AM

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Glazer worked the same way in Legion

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:33 AM

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that doesn't make sense though

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:33 AM

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if you stood inside his hit box all his orbs would hit him before they hit you

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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I would assume the birst is supposed to originate from a point at the center of their hitbox, not from the edges of it

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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gatling gun shoots away from itself. not on itself.

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same with cross ignition.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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the problem with that is that standing inside him is always a safe place

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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Holy shit. Did my first +10 in bfa and it was on king's rest. I eventually learned that the third boss' backhand ability gives you a debuff that makes you take 200% increased damage. The more you know.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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it trivializes the mechanic

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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except in a star arc, naked middle.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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yeah, you're gonna want to kite him after you get hit by that Byron ^^

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otherwise it gets interesting

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:34 AM

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yeah third boss backhand is hella gay.

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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yeah that cake golbin really hurts when she puts that buff on you, run away when she starts casting it, then heroic leap when she gets close to you

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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way worse if the axe guy is out before him.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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I was healing a blood DK who didnt know about that earlier today in a +0

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she was getting hit for ~70% of HP per swing

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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enjoy getting backhanded into axes, or off the edge.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:35 AM

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got interesting in a hurry

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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honestly the worst part of kings rest for me is zul

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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I'm guessing its hardcore 1shot material in a +10

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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did an 11 KR this week, we wipes twice across all bosses but 3 times on zul alone

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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We one-shot the second and final bosses though. It was nice. We had a DK to MC berserkers for easy backs

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Packs*

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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Zul is a bitch. I also really dont like the "king gauntlet"

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:36 AM

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zul was fine for me compared to the kings room, or 1st boss (if DPS sucks/no druid for root cheese), 2nd boss(dps sucks fire everywhere)

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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Zul is a pain because not even we can ignore all that pain he puts out

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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yeah, I did it with 4 warriors earlier this week, that whirlwind guy was a pain lol

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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I try to bring ranged to King's if possible

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first time I did it was with 3 melee and a holy paladin

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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same, but it was only a +6

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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not the ideal comp

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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D:

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Three melee and holy pally... Holy moly

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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and gurthalaak or whatever its called brings all the arms warriors to your yard

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:37 AM

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that reminds me actually - did they stealth patch the entomb boss?

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he started opening his own sarcophagi today

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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haven't done a 10+ KR yet, only +9. spamming rage only for ignore pains, cycling demo shout, SR in between, and shield wall before repeating what can helped enough for his 1.5mil health.

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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His own?

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You mean the correct one?

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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if we didnt open them fast enough he'd start opening random doors and spawn mummies

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nope, he opened crap ones

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ran over to the door and started channeling a spell

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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That's what he's always done

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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really?

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I've never seen it before

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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That's literally the main mechanic of the fight

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:38 AM

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I guess we've always been too fast for him to get there

vagrant cape Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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Yeah, usually people are fast enough to trivialize it

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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yeah you gotta be real slow to actually notice him doing it

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or god forbid someone opens the wrong coffin

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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ah... the blood DK was tanking him next to the coffins

mellow bridge Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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That's how the boss works lol

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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that's probably why

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 4:39 AM

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lol

iron forum Sep 18, 2018, 4:40 AM

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same dk who ate the backhand on the third boss like a champ?

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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yup, her first time there ^^

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no biggie, it's the start of the expansion - everyone's gotta learn sometime 😃

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 4:57 AM

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ugh i hate last boss of motherlode

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 4:58 AM

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still struggling?

dusk locust Sep 18, 2018, 5:00 AM

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a pug showed me a strat where you tank him right at the top of the stairs

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and you stand on the stairs

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the swirlies don't spawn there

twin eagle Sep 18, 2018, 5:08 AM

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So I have a 345 Servant Splitter (waycrest axe) and a 345 haste > crit sword with speed. is the haste worth offsetting the strength from the axe?

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I mean effect from the axe, sorry

broken kite Sep 18, 2018, 5:10 AM

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Ditch axe

twin eagle Sep 18, 2018, 5:12 AM

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ty!

fair crystal Sep 18, 2018, 5:14 AM

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Quick Question guys with the buff we get from Reorigination Array worth droping Brace for impact x2 ???

junior ivy Sep 18, 2018, 5:30 AM

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we finished @dusk locust

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i mean

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@static pilot

sick matrix Sep 18, 2018, 5:32 AM

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@fair crystal it's like 30-40 more STR on a full stack? (mine is ilvl 340, that's 160->192 STR on 20 stacks so no idea how much it is for a better ilvl item)

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Sounds to me like the shield block damage reduction from BFI is still better.

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oh wait, you meant the actual haste buff

fierce halo Sep 18, 2018, 5:34 AM

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Getting 1 array instead of BfI is bis in Uldir starting from week 5 or 6 (was week 7 before Hotfix, so should be less now)

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Outside of Raid it's still not good, I'd say

sick matrix Sep 18, 2018, 5:35 AM

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Are they actually buffing Array or just the primary stat bonus (as the blue post says)

fierce halo Sep 18, 2018, 5:36 AM

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Sorry, I mixed up array and archive of the titans.

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Just archive gets buffed, array stays the same

wind veldt Sep 18, 2018, 6:32 AM

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im ilvl 325 and struggling a hair in mythic dungeons, my lowest ilvl is my shield @ 300, is it worth buying a 350-355 shield? will that make a big difference in dungeons

grim zenith Sep 18, 2018, 6:34 AM

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what are you having trouble with. 325 is definitely a bit low

wind veldt Sep 18, 2018, 6:36 AM

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bosses are usually fine but a bit close, struggling more with trash honestly, some packs are too big to handle without popping all my cd's

native coyote Sep 18, 2018, 6:36 AM

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nothing wrong with having to pop CDs on trash imo

grim zenith Sep 18, 2018, 6:36 AM

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are you keeping ignore pain up all the time? and popping shield block whenever it's up?

wind veldt Sep 18, 2018, 6:39 AM

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i think so but im not 100% sure actually, havent played prot since wod so not used to ignore pain yet

grim zenith Sep 18, 2018, 6:39 AM

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i would get a weak aura or something to help you track that better

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essentially if you charge in, shockwave, and then demoralizing shout (with booming voice), you're at like 65 rage, with stunned mobs, and they're doing 20% less damage to you for 8 seconds

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You can pop ignore pain or shield block here, depending on the mobs and stuff. i like to do whichever is off the GCD and then shield slam and you have enough rage to cast the other one

merry cave Sep 18, 2018, 6:43 AM

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Don't charge in and shockwave -_-

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And IP won't be up 100%

fair crystal Sep 18, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Cool cool cheers for the info guys

grim zenith Sep 18, 2018, 6:45 AM

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depending on what you're prioritizing/casting it can be up damn close to 100%, in regular mythics when dmg isn't that high, it's even easier

grand basalt Sep 18, 2018, 6:49 AM

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is vanquished tendril of g'huun ilvl 380 any good?

merry cave Sep 18, 2018, 6:50 AM

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It depends on your other trinkets but the proc isn't great

grand basalt Sep 18, 2018, 6:52 AM

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i have fathoms, ilvl 340 vial, ilvl 325 jes, and ilvl 340 dread aspirant (pvp trinket)

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i know for dps which is my main spec, tendril of g'huun is not great at all

tiny sphinx Sep 18, 2018, 6:52 AM

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a general goes to war with the army he's got

chilly brook Sep 18, 2018, 6:56 AM

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And now I can go to sleep

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distant socket Sep 18, 2018, 7:09 AM

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@wind veldt nothing wrong with popping CDs on trash .. actually get used to it as you'll be doing it all the time in mythics +. We aren't like other tanks, we really get punished for not having the right mitigation up at the right time , and defencives like last stand with bolster in the spec tree are really useful tools so don't get saving em for bosses alone. Also, 320 is pretty low for mythics so yeah you'll struggle, it'll get easier as you gear up.

zinc mauve Sep 18, 2018, 7:14 AM

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One of the things that took me a while to adapt to was using skills to prevent damage, not after the fact. It sounds obvious to a lot of people but it takes me a while to figure out things like that

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While last stand can be used in an emergency, the 30% health it provides pales in comparison to blocking the equivilant or more damage with the block provided from bolster

hallow jay Sep 18, 2018, 7:16 AM

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is there a pawn string somewhere for prot?

undone sun Sep 18, 2018, 7:20 AM

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nope

jade tartan Sep 18, 2018, 7:42 AM

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If one opens with your order @grim zenith and you're playing with pretty good dpsers, you'll be leaving your group pretty quickly :p

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Let alone with Skittish.

umbral patio Sep 18, 2018, 7:43 AM

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We are still 2nd from bottom tank in terms of mythics and how reliable we are. Cds are there to be used. Just cause they have a 3min cd timer who gives a shit. Use your moves to keep you and your team alive.

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 7:44 AM

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The absorb granted by Xalzaix's Veiled Eye is reduced by 70% while engaged in combat with enemy players.

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Reeeeeee

jovial reef Sep 18, 2018, 7:49 AM

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they do that after stroking their own cocks in this post https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1101594-trinkets-usher-in-a-new-meta/

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omegalul

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"wow look how cool our game is the meta is amazing"

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Hm... The thunder clap trait is worth around 25 ilevels right?

vocal nimbus Sep 18, 2018, 7:54 AM

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Yes

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DC scaped the nerf hammer

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😂

jovial reef Sep 18, 2018, 7:59 AM

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yeah prot is clearly overperforming OMEGALUL

upbeat folio Sep 18, 2018, 7:59 AM

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there's no reason to touch it. Our performance without it, damage and mitigation wise would be... unfortunate.

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They would probably need to do counter it.

jovial reef Sep 18, 2018, 8:00 AM

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they already have to buff prot warriors

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to remove the uptime on demo shout

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idk how much they'd have to buff us after that

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:02 AM

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I expect tank tuning after mythic G'huun is killed. Then we will see. To nerf warriors would be insane.

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 8:02 AM

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Fortified teeming next week

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Time to shine boys

ember arrow Sep 18, 2018, 8:03 AM

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U mean

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Time to kite

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 8:03 AM

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For u maybe

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XD

ember arrow Sep 18, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Oh i wanna see u facetank

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:03 AM

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Block like a champ then run like sheep

upbeat folio Sep 18, 2018, 8:04 AM

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Fortified teeming sounds like a good time to be a warrior imo

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what's affix 3?

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Quaking

jovial reef Sep 18, 2018, 8:05 AM

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3x LoW time finally

lunar skiff Sep 18, 2018, 8:05 AM

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Hi somebody can help me to put all those graph in one ? want to see if all hit are mitigated http://urlz.fr/7MwY

upbeat folio Sep 18, 2018, 8:06 AM

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LOW?

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 8:06 AM

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Yeah 3 low if ur dpsing

vocal nimbus Sep 18, 2018, 8:10 AM

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It wouldnt be strange if they nerfed DC somehow

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Blizzard said in a couple AMAs and interviews that they wanted to make ilvl king

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Having a trait worth around 25 ilvl by itself... 🤷

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:15 AM

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They better compensate us somehow if we lose DC

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:23 AM

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DC is the solitary pole groaning under the weight of Prot atm but it's also exactly the kind of trait he talks about nerfing in the AMA. Ilevel is supposed to be king, but most warriors will run a low piece for a long time specifically because DC isn't available in Uldir

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@junior ivy thats great news, congratulations :)

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 8:28 AM

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anyone got any nice tips for tanking knight captain valyri?

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3rd boss of tol dagor?

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trying to do it on +6

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err 7

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barrels chain reactions get outta control

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:29 AM

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Prot is barely holding up with it's only viable combination of traits and talents. Mess with them, and spec will fall apart. We need better traits, we need better talent choices, we need better safety net in case we fuck up. Now it is hard to play, high risk-average reward, enthusiast-only tank spec.

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Right. Now what are the odds that Blizz agree with that assessment and go against their own policy of rebalancing traits until warrior gets a comprehensive rework?

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:32 AM

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Zero, and prot warrior population will drop to zero.

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 8:32 AM

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war is fine

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cough

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:33 AM

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Without DC?

jovial reef Sep 18, 2018, 8:33 AM

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warr is in a terrible spot, DC or not

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Say if it gets reworked to ,5 secs gained per TC instead of 2

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20-25% more uptime instead of 200-300%

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:35 AM

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That is flat survivability nerf. We obv need it /s

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:35 AM

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Keep in mind when DS falls off our damage drops off too

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So less survivability and less aoe damage

blissful stirrup Sep 18, 2018, 8:36 AM

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well. as i se it on the hotfix DC is not on the list.

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Dont even need full overhaul, but talents should be buffed, IP should be buffed, baseline SB uptime should be increased. That will get us on par roughly.

hot locust Sep 18, 2018, 8:37 AM

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I agree with SB uptime

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Nothing else is needed though

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:37 AM

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More SB would be nice for sure. Being able to run HR and have essentially 100% block uptime felt great

hot locust Sep 18, 2018, 8:37 AM

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Drop the CD on block back to base 13 seconds instead of the 18 change they did for BFA

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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👌

hot locust Sep 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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They won't do it, but it'd be nice.

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Not needed, but at this point, i could just never look at my talents. It is disfunctional, we should be changing talents depending of situation.

jade tartan Sep 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Just give us the Spirit Link treatment. Hit us with some utility or group buff on par with Mass Grip or Sigil of Chains. Something unique.

hot locust Sep 18, 2018, 8:38 AM

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Adding extra stuff on top of that just makes us too strong though.

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 8:39 AM

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TC damage and HR could be on same talent row, spec for ST or AOE

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Ravager should be baseline or buffed heavily

hot locust Sep 18, 2018, 8:39 AM

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ravager 🤔

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:54 AM

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at times feels like i got to over gear the content to be as stong as other tanks

stable elm Sep 18, 2018, 8:57 AM

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Yesterday there were a hope in this chat but today it is full of despair. Yet we have not received any nerfs yet

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 8:59 AM

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the game play still does not feel g8

stable elm Sep 18, 2018, 8:59 AM

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The same as before, do not loose hope

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 9:00 AM

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I mean ravager is fun ability, just need to be strong.

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:00 AM

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not sure how long i can hang in there i hope theres ome love round the coner

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:01 AM

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Nothing wrong with having a backup tank to fall back on

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:01 AM

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played warrior for 13 years

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frist time i am not enhoying it

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enjoying

stable elm Sep 18, 2018, 9:02 AM

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Then even half of year mean nothing on grand total of 13 years

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Just bear with it

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:02 AM

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Well, either you suck it out, you take a break from the game, or you go play something else

stable elm Sep 18, 2018, 9:03 AM

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Just remember that BDK was BAD on start of legion

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And where they now

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 9:04 AM

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@digital arrow what we did and it worked amazingly was that I tried to tank her on the one side of the room while stacking barrels on the other side.
Since your goal is to avoid chain reactions. aim to explode all the barrels at the same time

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for that to work though all 5 of you should work

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:05 AM

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the long grind boys is over

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http://prntscr.com/kvpmcj

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sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 9:05 AM

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shit fam

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I stopped after I got my zandalari to exalted

stable elm Sep 18, 2018, 9:05 AM

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Even exalted with guild

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Grats

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:05 AM

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lol

sick sentinel Sep 18, 2018, 9:06 AM

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how did you get the turtles to exalted?

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:06 AM

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every wq every day

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feels good boys told the wife to get the cloths off daddys home

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:10 AM

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And he's bringing all the turtles to the water

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:10 AM

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oh yea

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was doing my happy dance and she looked at me and asked wtf was i doing, looked at her and said shield wall

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she thinks i am crazy

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:15 AM

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I mean, you grinded tortollan wqs for a month straight. She ain't wrong

dull pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:16 AM

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lol

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to top it off boys i got a shield http://prntscr.com/kvpsjo

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strong forum Sep 18, 2018, 9:18 AM

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@digital arrow the 3rd boss in tol dagor is literally the easiest in the game, you move the left bottom corner barrel out before you start the fight and then you won't have to move at all in this fight.

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 9:21 AM

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How so? She spawns new barrels at random. Have to drag em to one side of the room

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Also on tol dagor, anyone have definitive scheme where to tank/where DPS should stay. I am supposed to tank him in the corner? But then how would i dodge his shockwave ability, cant see shit there

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Also do i have to intercept arrows on people?

fathom marten Sep 18, 2018, 9:23 AM

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@strong forum uhhh def disagree with that, most groups im in fail at that mechanic. First boss in underot is way easier

digital arrow Sep 18, 2018, 9:23 AM

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group kept tellin me to not move

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and im like but guys lemme help

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;_;

fathom marten Sep 18, 2018, 9:23 AM

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You get a debuff if you get hit by it

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:28 AM

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@tight tree the corner tactic works but if you're unhappy with the camera angle you can tank him with his back to the corners

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It means you have to pay more attention to the cannons

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As far as the bullets go, main thing is to keep people from getting shot twice in a row or get shot when they have 2 stacks of flaming ammo dot (the bullet refreshes it and adds a stack)

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You can take 2 in a row with strong mitigation if it's an emergency

strong forum Sep 18, 2018, 9:31 AM

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@fathom marten not on tyrannical +10

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Also don't pug.

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@tight tree usually left corner is save 90%times, if a barrel spawns in your corner have the healer move it out. Literally easiest boss in the game 0 threat 0 dmg

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Unless you have shitters who don't do anything and you are stuck at pugging +5s

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Also don't recommend taking 2 bullets from last boss in tol dagor, you can rotate it so that every player takes one, by the 6th bullet the 1st player that took the 1st bullet should no longer have the debuff. Taking 2 is a one shot from +8 upwards, no matter how many CDs you stack

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Thanks

strong forum Sep 18, 2018, 9:37 AM

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Make sure DPS who get the explosiv shot 2x in a row ( stacking) use immunities or personal CDs and try to live

static pilot Sep 18, 2018, 9:44 AM

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I had a DH take 2 and live on +10

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But yeah, don't try it unless there are no other options

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The damage from the fire dot is actually the hardest part of that fight

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Bring brez classes and you can even consider 2healing it if you've already missed the timer and there's just too much damage

quasi silo Sep 18, 2018, 9:53 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gshu0/protection_warrior_needs_a_rework_immediately/

r/wow - Protection Warrior needs a rework immediately!

317 votes and 88 comments so far on Reddit

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up guys

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can miracle happen

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 9:57 AM

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Lmao

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R/specialneedswow

fathom marten Sep 18, 2018, 9:58 AM

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Lots of people complaining about things that there just ignorant of

tight tree Sep 18, 2018, 9:59 AM

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I am crying right now

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This post is so.... HONEST AND PASSIONATE, i am in tears

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:00 AM

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We just need pve mmr and put a 1800 req on prot war

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Is there a precedence on the calculation when you have both IP and a blocked attack. Ie is one calculated and then the other applied to that number or are both fully effective on the original incoming damage number?

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Absorbs are last

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Is it: 1000 physical -> blocked (400) = 600 -> IP (300) = 700 mitigated

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or is it : 1000 physical -> blocked (400) = 600 -> IP (500) =900 mitigated

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:02 AM

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1000 - 400 is 600

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:02 AM

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was correcting as u were typing lol

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:03 AM

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Idk why u are adding after the block also

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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I was asking - if IP/Block were calculated in a series - or if applied to the original damage

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Absorbs are last like I said

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Oh - didnt see that

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Using arbitrary numbers it would be

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Ok so it is calculated after the block

raven kernel Sep 18, 2018, 10:05 AM

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1000 hit, block 400 = 600

honest geode Sep 18, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Bummer - so there is a dimnished value - having both up