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astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 7:21 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gi0xe/tank_representation_mythic_uldir_week_1/

r/wow - Tank Representation: Mythic Uldir Week 1

547 votes and 611 comments so far on Reddit

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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yea cheat deaths help a LOT

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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But but but balance

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 PM

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my guild is warrior/ blood dk now

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Oh jesus

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Is that THE krom?

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Sir Krom, The No Longer Appearing In this Channel?

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Nm, the post says "I'm not a fan of complaining without offering solutions" so clearly it's someone else 😂

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Lol it is

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:24 PM

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Anyone got good M+ routes? My AD route grabs the big dino pack in the middle cause I don't like trying to skip Pats like that in PUGs but people are always trying to skip it. I think my routes for a couple other dungeons could be cleaned up too

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Its ok we will get a bandaid by the end of BFA and all will be great so no worries in my opinion

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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That comment was more constructive than a whole month's worth of his discord posts tbh

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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also FWIW weirdly enough warriors aren't the highest deals for -every- boss

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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"Turn-based tanking" had me lul

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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Pallies die more on fetid?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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i don't disagree with a lot of what he says

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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and on Zekvoz

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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though, i dont think an off-GCD IP will change much

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 PM

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pallies have shit uptime on SOTR

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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But you can have sotr for every thrash

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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@astral crystal you talking about the m+ tank thread on reddit?

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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And you can immune a bunch of them

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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and the response to his comment also brought up very valid points about utlity

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Nah, in its current form if they took IP back off global we'd just be casting devastate more

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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Ah nvm you linked t

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But yea that thread is hilarious

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 PM

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devastate is already my primary complaint though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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@grim prism well that might actually be good tbh I never really thought about that 🤔

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I care more about the fact that we choose a watered down on the GCD IP or dealing more damage as apparently damage is the thing everyone says at the end of thinking were bad tanks

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Prot has a lot of small problems, not one major overarching one. That's kind of why we got hosed imo. Blizzard doesn't know to troubleshoot

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Either way the impact would be negligible

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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also unsurprisingly brewmaster is the lowest death % for fetid

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beating BDK

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I mean it’s kinda hard to die as a BrM

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Most brews choose to be main tank

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Unless you want to die

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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It's the better role for them

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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Or do most MTs choose to be brew :thonkingbutcool:

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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My BrM OT insisted on taking thrash

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 PM

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I still feel like modifying the absorb amount on IP based on damage dealt in the last 10 seconds or something would be a fun way to modify it, even if they cap it

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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but I Mean, thats HC

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@blissful imp For AD, go straight to Rezan (little dinos and one flyingbro on the way), come back up, up the path to Vokal. Clear the whole hallway, which is ezpz if you CC pukebois, nuke priest, then melee, then kill puker. Come down the stairs after Vokal, kill the little dinos as you cross straight over to priestess (skip big dinos). Kill priestess and her trash, once she's dead, kill the one auger and one juggernaut/zerker, whatever they are called to the right as you are facing away from the boss, and boom hit 100% exactly. Head to yazma and enjoy your 2-3 chest you just got from killing all the easiest/fastest to kill mobs in the zone.

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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How so? They literally cannot die to thrash alone

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@undone sun I would think that BrM would do well taking the thrash

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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and Fetid Thrash hits for like a little girl

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@uneven mason my brew too

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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@waxen cradle the problem is IP actually still ends up being very impactful in terms of how much damage gets negated by it over the course of a fight

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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on HC

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Not compared to other tanks

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Warr, pal, bear, dh do better as off tanks

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Thrash really doesn’t hit hard for prot

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It’s beautiful

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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EZ blocks

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 PM

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Nothing blockable hits hard for prot

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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^

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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@knotty ermine @blissful imp for AD, left side trash is actually faster than right side trash if you have a group that does the mechanics (kick mantle, purge golems, no stand in bad)

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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if we had 100% block uptime we'd be pretty broken

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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But if pugging, I do prefer the right side

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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But we can get 75% uptime on DS which is almost as good 😜 @raven kernel

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 PM

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I don't always have a purge in group, but I do always have at least 1 cc for the pukers.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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TFW you walk out of Zek's combo with 95% health cause "Warrior"

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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and for the windows where we make ourselves have 100% block uptime, we are pretty broken

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Also, pugs and mechanics, top joke 2018

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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people just dont realise it

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Rip

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Yea I pug it a lot so I'm always going right side. But I kill the big dino pack in the middle cause.... I hate running around pulling shit out of the way and dodging patrols

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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last stand is amazing on big pulls

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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@uneven mason I walk out around 50-70% because my healers don’t bother healing me during it

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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But fortified weeks that dino pack is yikes

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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Dino pack is 100% skippable regardless of which side you take

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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i swapped with our DK for mythic zekvoz

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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It's a yikes on any difficulty

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:30 PM

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cos we needed massgrip

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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L2 Warrior better!
iTs not all about 70% DS Uptime

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Because yikes, why the fuck did you pull that. Lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Yeah nah, get used to dodging that dino pack. They are already aids on high keys just from boosted up dmg, on fortified they are RIPKey adds

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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think we're letting the DK tank vectis too

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cos dk handles the dot better

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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BuT My Ds UpTiMe

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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DoTs are warriors touchy spot

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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I accidentally chained dinos a +8 pug key

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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yeah

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its good we have options though

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brew mt

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Amazingly, we didnt wipe

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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then me or the dk will ot

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according to fight

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Twitch clip or I don't believe you

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Idk who died, but it wasnt me or the healer lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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😛

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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We had options but our brew had to step down for irl stuff

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Dinos on +7 fort that first week...had a DH ragequit because he eyebeamed while I Was setting up the kite

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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Now it’s me and a blood DK

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I been +2ing 8s by pulling it on purpose. But it can get hairy quick if people refuse to Doge the charge the triceratops does

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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aggroing those things is an immediate BACK DOWN THE STAIRS

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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I just haaate running far off track to pull shit for %

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:32 PM

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so you can peekaboo the charges

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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@knotty ermine i'll be sure to stream my single-digit prot pugs for the massive audience I'm sure will be interested in that skyhold

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Just don't pull em is my general strat. Can get to that 100% just as quickly and w/o addional risk from my experience

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Psh

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I know what I said

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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the middle named dino pack?

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Lol

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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i skip those too

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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I strim my guilds incessant wiping on heroic Zul

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Just title it

hasty slate Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Are there any good mythic+ dungeon guides out there? I want to know what is good to CC without learning from experience as much as possible as I do not have a guild to run with atm.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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"Prot doesn't actually suck"

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and enjoy the comments section

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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And I get a YUUUUUUGGGEEE audience

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Especially when you die to something

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:33 PM

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Protection warriors #1 tank

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Jk I get no audience

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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gets a lot of hate followers

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Wolflux, QE dungeon tips

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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mostly VDH

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Everyone does it seems. I've tried it a couple times and it caused me to miss the +2 on 8+. Cause someone usually fucks up while trying to avoid em

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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It's pretty great for that

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@hasty slate watching Shakib and Jdotb can help a lot, both also answer a ton of questions in their chat

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@hasty slate if you can play DPS, try pugging as a nontank. Its a great way to learn. Sometimes. Sometimes it makes you want to icepick your eyeballs. But sometimes...

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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anyone have an addon suggestion for marking mobs?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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@blissful imp I realized that hunters are cancer for trying to skip packs

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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they also post their pull path strings in Method Dungeon Tools

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/qe-dungeon-tips

CurseForge

QE Dungeon Tips

A lightweight addon that adds key tips about dangerous trash mobs and bosses to tooltips for on-the-fly information

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:34 PM

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Method has a pullroute addon they use

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I think you can import routes

mellow bridge Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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@frosty wedge do you want an addon that makes the marking itself faster/easier?

hasty slate Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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@knotty ermine @prisma crane @grim prism Thanks all!

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Ain't that the truth @uneven mason

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Ive never used it but it looks cool

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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yeah essentially muyuu

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Hunters aren't bad if they have a spirit beast (stealth). Also if shit goes south you have a scapegoat, which is the important thing anyway

blissful imp Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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Lol

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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I enjoy mm in bgs

mellow bridge Sep 17, 2018, 7:35 PM

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@frosty wedge https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/opie

WoW CurseForge

OPie

Bind actions to a pop-up radial menu.

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i use this

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basically i click a hotkey (shift-g) for me then a radial appears and I just drag my mouse over it

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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OPie is great

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Hmm... hadn't considered using OPie for that, I use it for mounts like the lord intended

mellow bridge Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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just needs a bit of getting used to but then it's super good

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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HUnters in BFA have been giving me Flashbacks to EQ

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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ah yeha i used to use opie, good call, thanks

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Now I may actually be changing that up a bit

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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Use it for timers, gear swap, consumables etc.

mellow bridge Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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idk how else I'd do it tbh

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:36 PM

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when I'd have shitty Magicians/Necros group with me and the inevitable line "I'm in combat"

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followed by

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"Wheres my pet?"

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:37 PM

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@knotty ermine Spirit beasts are kinda required right now

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such good pet abilities

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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ghostcrawler pet was hella troll when people used it in pvp

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 7:38 PM

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I wish WCL had a better way to actually gauge tank survivability etc. but I understand why they don’t kinda a hard thing to quantify

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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When we lack an offensive dispel because our inconsiderate monk race changed from blood elf to Mag'har, our hunter was forced to go with the spirit beast over.... whatever else it was he was using. Now, if all the people in my group could line up our schedules, I may not need to pug things, but that is a different issue altogether

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Yeah, I levelled my monk HMT, but I may race change to BE.... BUT, the charge/knockdown is super useful

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Ayup

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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@knotty ermine The only other thing you might want is something w/ lust

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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That's what it was

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Griff its not just WCL its literally because tank survivability is insanely hard to sim

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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I remember now

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I carry drums now tho

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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because there are so many variables that go into it.

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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If you have drums or w/e the defensive pets are generally better

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cause you get an extra 20% DR cooldown

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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but dude's internet has suddenly taken on the characteristics of pringles-can wifi, so rip

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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#protection-Hunters?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:41 PM

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talking about group comps for protection warriors duh

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And how hunters make skipping things aids.... for protection warriors

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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how do hunters do that?

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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non-stealth pets can make skipping packs annoying

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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Their pets and broken pathing

neon tangle Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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if it's close

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 PM

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oh you're just referring to pugs?

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cant they just dismiss and resummon after a skip?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Not just that

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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and wouldnt that affect all tanks the same?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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Like yesterday in shrine, on the first boss, hunter pet range aggro'd the 3 healer dudes right before the boss, mid combat

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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oof

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:43 PM

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because the boss charged over there, and the pet took some wonky stupid path up the stairs/around the back of the boss

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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^^^

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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still, that's all tanks

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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I always clear those healers out

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because

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they're horrible

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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It does effect all tanks the same. I added "for warriors" as a joke as to why we were discussing here.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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i still get random shit in the shark ogre in Freehold sometimes too

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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and I don't think I've done a shrine yet that some DPS didn't walk right up and window lick aggro

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:44 PM

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easier to pull random shit in during the RP to prevent it later

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:45 PM

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My favorite part of shrine is those droplets on bursting week seconds after you tell the DPS "don't AoE this shit, it gives stacks"

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13 stacks of bursting later

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:45 PM

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freehold skips 🤔

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cloack of shadows

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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thats what defensives are for during bursting weeks

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:46 PM

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Ah yes, the fabled "no one in your group is gonna die to these 13 stacks that were completely unexpected" defensive

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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just use commanding shout, thatll help

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Rallying cry*

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what year you think this is

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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@knotty ermine Going through the mastermind area in motherlode "Guys, single target only, rats give stacks"

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Lol

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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have to use it at the end though, since early on it just makes the stacks harder to heal

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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Battle cry 🤔

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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HDH pulls 4 packs and 18stacks later.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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I def nuke that area

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 PM

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but rallying cry doesnt help

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bursting does % of max hp

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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it only helps right before ppl are about to die

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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It was a joke because he said command

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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otherwise it makes it worse

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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and also

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It does help

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for approximately 1 global

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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TFW You leave your loot spec on arms when doing the weekly quest and get a 370 second 2h before the DPS warriors in your guild have any

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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you make the healer have to heal 15% more

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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LUL

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Yes Krotos, you do

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But if you are all about to die from the next tick anyway

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Guess what you just prefented

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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that's my point, only use it at the end

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otherwise dont use it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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prevented*

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Just pop it on the pull and drink your healer's tears

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regens rage that way

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 PM

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ppl just need to use health stones and defensives and shit and we, as warriors just use SR to help as well

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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I just share my weakaura with the friends I run with that gives giant text at 8 stacks "STOP KILLING THINGS YOU F*CKIN APE"

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Can't share it crossrealm with pugs though

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oh well

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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should trigger at 5 imo

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:50 PM

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lol5

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you running with a druid or what

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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i mean it's not hard to break it up

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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6 is "hey friendo, whatcha doin"

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8 is "You're an idiot"

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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i like to stretch it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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and anything beyond that is "You just wiped us, congrats"

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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@chilly brook @uneven mason missed some convo here, but WCL actually did explicitly rank tanks for survivability prior to Legion (or maybe it was prior to WoD)

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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and usually the bigger issue is extending last second rather than just high stacks

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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at 11 stacks wait for that 0 sec moment

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refresh at 12

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wait for 0 sec

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refresh with 13

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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^^^^^^^^

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Soulwalker gets it

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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but still, it's not hard to keep stacks low

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even if you pull large

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except maybe those droplets

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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Can we all just be thankful that the orb room in Temple gives zero stacks

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Cept the guardians ofc

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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but they give nectrotic 😦

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 7:53 PM

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same as bats in BRH

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 7:53 PM

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reached around 70-80 stacks the last week there

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:53 PM

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They used KRSI, which was some wonky combination of TMI and EHRPS weighted by resolve. So basically the end product was too cheeseable, since the uptime-weighting could be gamed to maximize your rank without actually performing what would be considered "a good job"

hearty crater Sep 17, 2018, 7:54 PM

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wtf? https://youtu.be/hDmGGPf6bn4

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grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 7:54 PM

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And SimC does have sims for TMI, EHRPS, and max spike intake. The problem is that a) these have to ignore cooldown usage for the sake of generating consistent results and b) none of those three metrics is holisitically valuable in terms of evaluating performance

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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@hearty crater he basically exploited a paladin talent to have like 1000 mobs beating on him

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so his DR was at 99%

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I smell a hotfix

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Imagine uncapped itf

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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^^^

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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thedream.gif

hearty crater Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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and this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsuz9QjNRR4

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Protection Paladin Solo: Tol Dagor Mythic

This is one of the harder mythic dungeons to solo, mainly because of the second and last boss (mostly the last) that has a real gearcheck / DPS req to beat t...

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gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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aggramars nikes

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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aggramar's worked off of rating, not %

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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but it worked off reck I thought

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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you mean Battlecry

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and no I don't really recall it working offa BC...may be mistaken, blocking the good times from my memory

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@hearty crater If you stack healing Traits on a prot warrior you can solo nearly any of the M0s at ~360ilvl

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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Aggramars worked with it lol

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would be insane if it was uncapped

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 7:57 PM

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melee dps meta

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 7:58 PM

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@merry cave let me dream

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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Saving any/all azerite gear I find 340+. Trying to get triple blood sport pieces with leech.

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Or x2 x1 DC

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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3x Azerite Veins

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the dream

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:00 PM

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My pvp arms has x2 AV x1 impassive vissage

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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lol whats that like

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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Rather have AF

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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"HEY BOYS YOU REMEMBER MoP SECONDWIND?"

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:01 PM

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It's nice when it proccs. It's not dependable if bursted.

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But high vers + def stance, still feels nice.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:07 PM

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Not gonna lie, I miss resolve more than any other retired game mechanic

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(Aside from Heroic Strike, rip in piece blessup etc)

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I was such a bad I didn't even use block on AM checks, I just had a WA that blinked at me when my resolve was at an almighty fuckload of % and that's when I used my abilities.

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And it was good enough for heroic spell_reflection

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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You mean, Vengeance?

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Back when prot warriors could shit on the DPS solo tanking Garrossh

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f

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Whatever it was, yeah maybe vengeance

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The one that makes you stronger by taking damage

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Literally rewarding my suboptimal play

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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vengeance is what i miss more than anything else, but i know why it's gone

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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https://www.heroicstrike.org/

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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and tbh, to get the most out of vengeance you had to be a good player

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Because people like me could be successful without even having their AM on their bars

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Lol

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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Resolve was the WoD version iirc

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and it didn't increase damage

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just increased self healing and absorbs

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RIP

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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it was more about timing CDs around more tank stacks than you're supposed to get than just not hitting SB

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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Well I sure maximized not hitting SB

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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@prisma crane REmember when Vegeance worked in PVP during that prepatch

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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My raid leader was so pissed when they pulled the logs

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I had no idea lmfao

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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Nothing like being FC in WSg

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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i missed the start of MoP so i dont 😦

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but getting 10 stacks on Mythic (then heroic) Siegecrafter and one shotting the adds was a lot of fun

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but intense since a single mistimed CD or external and i'd die

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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Yeah

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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it'd be like trying to get omega vector every time

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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I'd get the flag

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and just stand in the open with a Resto shaman and Resto druid on me

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then start one shotting folks

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Farmed some HKs

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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i enjoyed it, but that was a time of wow with snapshotting and silly interactions that really set apart good players

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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was almost as nice as the mid WOTLK period where you could ArP cap and stack SBV

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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but def a huge feelsbadman for dps to be shit on by the tanks

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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using a level 70 trinket in PVP because its on use was an insane amount of SBV

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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autoblocker

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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yeah

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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autododger now 😦

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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f

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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big F

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i guess that's probably where a lot of my disagreements with people come from here

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i only know prot, so

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while we may be more fun to play than other tanks

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we're at our most boring right now imo

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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I find this version of prot more exciting than legion prot tbh

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I have to "think"

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about what i"m doing

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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not really

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sure IP is more of a choice, but not really

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you just fit it in where you have the rage and no other procs

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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no I mean to reduce damage taken by the highest amount, thinking ahead on CD use

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:19 PM

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you had to do that in Legion too

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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a lot less so

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I dunno I guess its the eq player in me.

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the challenge of playing a harder spec well

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more fun than playing an average spec well, but legion did have a reward for good play

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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was able to do mythic vari without using SR or a CD

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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and that is missing from BFA prot

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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apart from like one fuck up, and was fun to be able to pool IP and generate enough rage to do so

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now it'd just be, i must use this

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and that's just boring

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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Thats the thing, we were pretty invincible in legion

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that was boring to me heh

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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idk. still feels rewarding to me.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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we werent though, not unless youplayed well

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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I was either 100% health or dead

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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not faceroll or boring like guardian, prot pally or bdk

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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and dead rolled around generally if someone else screwed up

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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i'd say that 95% of my quick deaths in legion were completely my own fault

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probably more

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Well I played fury for 4 expansions, lol, so this whole prot thing is new to me, but I don't have to relearn it which is nice

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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other tank taunts on KinnyGs 🙉 moment where he doesn't react to taunts - that's a dead

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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just move out

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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I actually go and stand on the nearest DH

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see if they notice

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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wasnt hard to play around that

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and if you had a CD you can take 2 without much effort

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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whats the horde daily emissary quest?

remote thunder Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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+5 ilvl or socket on weapon

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:23 PM

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You could take 2 with DS and SW no problem yeah

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ilvl tabi

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IP scales with WDPS

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more str, more stam

remote thunder Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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ah

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right

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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idk, obviously it's all subjective, i just dont find prot fun now compared to what it has been in the past.

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IP scales with STR

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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And that is part of the reason why we're low representation

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many folks just don't find BFA prot fun

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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well

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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it is a unique mindset to pick it up

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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we were low in legion as well

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since NH

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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we're not Guardian druid levels of dogshit "Mmm this tofu tastes great" level of boring

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but

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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even when we were fantastic in ANT

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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sorry but its not only fun that puts prot in end of the line´

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:26 PM

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I didn't say only

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Its also skill ceiling

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and the major reason is public perception

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we're not optimal because we lack forgiveness

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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arguably our skill floor is what makes it fun

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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right

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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but we're at the back for a lot of reasons

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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its compounded problems

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I Mena look at Guardian druid

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they were horrifyingly boring

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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could be its just the weakes tank spec that just has big aoe dps that means little for mythic prog

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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but when they could "Bear don't care" most mechanics

carmine bison Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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is a 365 weapon with proc (from waycrest) better than a 340 with a socket?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:27 PM

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@lucid bough We're not "weak" by any stretch of the imagination

carmine bison Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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without secondarys it seems weaker

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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Shaka yes, Item level on weapons always

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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weak in a vacuum, no, but other tanks can do what we do, only better

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not all other tanks

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but DK Monk and Pala

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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But no tank does what we do better?

carmine bison Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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ok thanks

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:28 PM

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block isn't like magic beans

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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The other tanks have more forgiveness in mistakes - lower skill caps, and then utilities, but warriors are JUST as survivable (if not more so in many situations)

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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it's powerful where it can be exploited

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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right

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Thats our niche

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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@prisma crane Would you say Paladins handle magic damage better than Warriors?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Physical damage we're kings

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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i can't say

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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Single large bursts of magic damage, warriors are one of the top 3 for being able to deal with it

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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I’d say not with SotR being only physical now.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:29 PM

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but when you look at the raid as a whole

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we arent up to their par

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Its just that we have to be proactive - if you get behind on the damage, you're going to suffer(that's a mistake)

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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every tank needs to be proactive

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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i mean if you want to nitpick, Vari was a great example, monks were amazing in ABT, but they were prob worse equipped for that fight, whereas we were broken for it

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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No on our level Astra

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look at the toolkits

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:30 PM

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Of course. Need to preemptively use IP for magic bursts. Whereas they just fucking sit there with Holy Shield talented.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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BDK Monk and Pal are all stronger reactively

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than they are proactively

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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you still gain something by knowing what's coming on those tanks

thin reef Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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IP doesnt soak any damage

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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? ? ?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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Yes, but we are 100% PROACTIVE

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we have no reactive items in our kit but for LAst Stands heal

thin reef Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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Probably around 10% of your health

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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IP soaks 1 second hit of g'huun debuff xDDDD

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so strong

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:31 PM

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its about 14% on average Jordin

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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protadins can talent to block spells.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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yes

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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ok? and? that's a hard sell though, so we're a tank that requires more planning and skill to play proficiently yet still dont stand out enough when played well

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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they can

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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Which is what I said.

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It’s still a chance.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:32 PM

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I'm not saying we stand out

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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blessing spell warding useful talent for cheese.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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thinking back to Ion's post about tradeoffs, where's our tradeoff for the skillset required?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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I'm saying folks who think Protection is weak/bad, just don't play optimally. THere is no tradeoff

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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besides obv ardent defender broken but yknow w/e.

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Spellwarding isn’t even that good

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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which is where the problem begins

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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If it’s a targeted spell

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The mob/boss will just pick someone else

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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We have to play better to perform in raids

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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Since you’re immune

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:33 PM

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key word is cheese.

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not saying its always useful.

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having that + spell blocking.

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Have you played a Paladin? Spellwarding definitely has its uses like for Necrotic but in a lot of situations it kinda sucks.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:34 PM

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Yes I have. And thats why its useful for cheesing. Not all situations.

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Why are you trying to argue about it? lol

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:34 PM

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anyways, my whole point is this, i won't ever say prot is bad, we arent, but other tanks are better

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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prot warr def not bad.

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I love it.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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I mean, folks who come in here and complain that prot is bad? Its not, its difficult. It has no "additional" reward for playing optimally beyond performing what the spec should be doing in the first place.

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Other tanks are better situationally

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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People sure like to use the word complain

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for valid criticism

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Only monk I think universally beats us in every category, but they beat ALL tanks in nearly every category

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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Other tanks are better ~~situationally~~

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:35 PM

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^ @lucid bough

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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@lucid bough But it is complaints

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Prot is still totally viable and fun to play imo

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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many of them unfounded

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Prot war is a 5 man tank tbh

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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stark difference to complaining and criticism. most of it is same old complaining.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Prot war is a raid tank

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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There is valid criticism and there are complaints, and ive seen a lot of both in here over the past month

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Haha sure.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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we're much better suited to raids than 5man

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100%

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:36 PM

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Prot warr can tank both just fine.

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Sure.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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I Mean, we have prot warriors clearing +15s in time....

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so

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we also have prot warriors tanking Mythic raid progression

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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I'd believe we are actually better for raids than M+, considering our mobility toolkit and how often we have cooldowns up

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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🤔 Again - if you think prot is BAD, maybe its just you?

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Prot wars have the lowest representation in mythic uldir by a significant margin

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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But like I said, we are viable everywhere

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Yes they do

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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yeah. just the majority top rather CHOOSE to play simpler tank classes or FOTM(monk).

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doesn't mean prot warr can't

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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as well as in 15+ keys

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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they just dun wanna. lol

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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Yeah. Mythic raiders do what's EASY

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:37 PM

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or cant(for most others case)

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its all individual.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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I think week one representation is probably a better indication of community perception than real performance

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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they also have the lowest margin for error, and the highest skill ceiling IronMongrel either of those things makes them not optimal

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Theyre not good enough players to hack it.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Although prot objectively seems to be having a harder time than others

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Aside from druid, which looks pretty shit rn

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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right. its called min/maxing.

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when you want to progress.

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Druid has higher representation

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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and easy also falls into there.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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@thorn narwhal Its called min/maxing you bring what will give you that 1% edge

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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Not by much though

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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(but I agree is also shit)

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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only because they were waaaaay more popular in Legion

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:38 PM

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druids dogshit easy. 😛

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Prot and druid are pretty close in M+ and raids, representationwise. Neither looks popular lol

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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That's not what min maxing is don't cite terms at me that you don't understand.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Prot is at least fun while being suboptimal

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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it is min maxing

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Lol.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:39 PM

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Min/Maxing literally means - minimizing your detriments, while maximizing your benefits

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Okay so you're admitting prot is bad

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Why argue

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Chasing FotM classes and benching those you think will be a hindrance for raid prog would definitely fall under minmaxing

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Imo

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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🤔 I'm admitting that other tanks have a wider margin for error than protection?

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!= bad

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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No, that's irrelevant.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Today on "mythic raiders dont play warrior so warrior is bad"

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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The reason we have to fight the perception of "prot is bad" is because it suggests we are incapable of clearing level-appropriate content, which is not the case

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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"I don't like your facts -I'll call them irrelevant"

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:40 PM

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Players at that level play error free in terms of core class fundamentals

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Absolutely not true

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Shit understanding of why mythic raiders choose classes

thorn narwhal Sep 17, 2018, 8:41 PM

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Nice 2 digit iq, peace.

lucid bough Sep 17, 2018, 8:41 PM

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I wish IQ could measure sucess

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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World first racers put literally hundreds of pulls into bosses, thats why they are the first ones to do it. If everyone played error-free all the time, there would be no need for that

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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They're going to take whatever giveds them that extra padding

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Do one pull, if you fail then it is mathematically impossible and you come back next week

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Lol

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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lol

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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Complain on twitter a bit and go take a nap, hit it next reset

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:42 PM

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thus - cheese utility (Paladin) - Idiot proofing (BrM) - Death proofing - (BDK)

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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Prot - friendproofing

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Kappa

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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🖕

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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🤔

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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yea but just because a tank allows for mistakes wouldnt be enough of a reason to use it if the tank wasnt able to actually tank

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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My guild asking me why I play prot warrior until they see how easy I am to heal (on all but ZuL fuck that DoT)

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:43 PM

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On the topic of "mythic-esque prot warriors"

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are there any prot-tank streamers for m+?

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I'm trying to learn how to suck shit less

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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I'm just saying, being underrepresented and undertuned doesn't make the spec unviable and it doesn't overrule the subjectivity of "fun"

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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and im having trouble turning reading into practice

inland silo Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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saw sense tanking some keys the other day

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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we're not undertuned.

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subjective.

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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i'm pushing pretty high keys (13-14) and most of the time when we fail it's not my fault, as far as i can tell

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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We're undertuned

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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there's nothing wrong with prot in m+

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:44 PM

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IP could definitely use some tuning if they want to keep it where it is

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Prot mitigation is feast-or-famine

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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TBH they could turn IP into a 40% absorb but double its cast amount

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and I'd be happy

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cause

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Last Stand is a completely outrageous CD

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it's so good

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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Double blooodsport azerite trait baseline and we’re good

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/s

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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just the absorb boost

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I didn't think IP needed to be bigger

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but, its a fine line

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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honestly from a survivability stand point

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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If there's anything I'd like to see it's a change to how Revenge works

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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I miss wrists the most

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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we head for that 50k absorb arena and we're reaching for OPness

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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healing on rage spent was soooo nice

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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It has no survivability benefits and does pretty bad damage

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:45 PM

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@chrome falcon I agree - delete Revenge

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make Devastate buff your next IP by 50% stacking to 2x

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Like

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Half the time when it's free I don't even want to cast it

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Its a pure-DPS rage dump that doesnt even dump rage half the time

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I'd rather just do a 0 value IP

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Exactly

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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and its weaker then both your generators

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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The point of a spender is to spend lol

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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Man who remembers when Revenge hit 3 targets, did a shitload of damage and generated Rage

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 8:46 PM

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I’d take the other dude solution on reddit: take 2 legendaries* passives from legion + the artefact ability and make that into a 120 tier talents

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GG

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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and was off the fucking GCD

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give me THAT back

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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no

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I ❤ IP on the GCD

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FEELS IMPACTFUL IN MY CHOIZES

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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I've grown used to it

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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I don't noticed IP on GCD.

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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I am also fine with IP on the GCD

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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high haste makes it meh.

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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avatar and demo on the GCD is bad

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but IP is fine

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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yeah.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:47 PM

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demo shout is just a 3rd mitigation though

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with current talents

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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ava/demo on GCD annoys me more.

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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playing this expansion has made me wonder

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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IP on GCD feels awkward because of the way they tuned it. I don't intrinsically mind it being on-global

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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how the fuck

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did anyone ever die

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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DS on GCD feels fine

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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with all our abilites off the GCD

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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avatar should just give wc3 ewra magic immunity

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Doesnt bother me being on gcd. It's just feels so awful using it because how weak it is.

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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@chrome falcon We actually didn't die unless we were hit by a 1shot ability

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Prot warriors solo'd M+15 bosses

edgy solstice Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Avatar should just turn you into large magni

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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cause we just didn't take fucking damage

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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People on r/wow say that want it back off-global because it is "intuitive"

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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@uneven mason yeah i guess that's pretty much true. it's just insane how OP we (as in, every class) were in Legion

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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Like dawg

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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90% infinite absorb shields

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:48 PM

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lol

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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lets go

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Player Characters in Legion were so insanely overpowered

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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yikes

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Last tier IP was literally 1/3 of every cast you did

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That isnt intuitive

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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90% infinite absorbs with % healing per cast

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Thats facerolling

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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"Oh boy I can't wait to scroll back through the last 30 mins or so and see what we were discussing while I was closing out that meeting" Me, prior to re-reading the same convo we've had 3 times today rofl

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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there's not much else to talk about

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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and every other day.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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Did they announce 8.1 changes yet?

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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we could talk about the fact that there are 0 prot warriors in the mythic uldir race i guess

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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@knotty ermine You must be new here, welcome to Protection - we've been having this convo since #BFA-Protection was first a thing

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:49 PM

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yea but mobs were tuned around that too @chrome falcon

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Of course, when BFA-Protection was a thing

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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@knotty ermine right now we are being sycophants for IP being on-global, to scare away new players who dislike the change

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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these arguments had grounding

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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i am boosting another toon !!! to play an alt !!!! ive never had an alt before !!!!

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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because we fucking sucked

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Can we add a message with bullet points describing why prot actually isn't as bad as people say it is, but that the skill floor is far lower than other classes and it is far less forgiving, with little advantage over the other classes, and then, idk, pin it?

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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🙄

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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@junior ivy what did you pick

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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Make it more like #fury where every 3rd reply is "check the pins"

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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druid

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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I want to heart react everything @junior ivy types here

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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maximum efficiency

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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healer/boomie

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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@prisma crane were they? i don't think that's even true, that's why we were able to do +27s in time and shit. i don't think we'll see anything like that in BFA

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:50 PM

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and its gonna be a herbalist

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😄

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Lmfao thats so basic

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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omg stop its my first alt

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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But we love you anyway

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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i think you'll see +27s by the end of the expac

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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im excited about it

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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@prisma crane like you could just pull 1 million mobs in m+ then dump your 3 different 5 second aoe stuns that were off the GCD and did a million damage

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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what was highest chested m+ in legion?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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a 30

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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wow

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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or 31

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cant remember

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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I boosted an aff lock a week before they gutted deathbolt

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Gud tiems

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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your fault

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never trust warlocks

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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can we just have one expansion

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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Great expac to pick a multidot class too aye

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 PM

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where warlocks suck

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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but you're comparing now to the drought before an expac release where power creep is most evident

chrome falcon Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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just one where they aren't completely broken

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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they're the shittier war class

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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people werent pulling 27s until late last xpac

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Its this one @chrome falcon, have you seen the other two specs?

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Holy christ its dismal

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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Legion warlock was also a 1 spec class

inland silo Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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warlocks that werent affliction were awful in legion too

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:52 PM

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granted it was broken beyond reason

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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I mean, I almost boosted a lock because on the beta Prot hit their laughably bad moment, and around the same time Locks could accidentally (and often) summon Prince Malchezzar and that was the most hilarious/broken shit ever

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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@junior ivy the 30+ wasnt until our artifacts went haywire, i think best was a 28 prior to that

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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but, like someone else said

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Never trust locks

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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the only ppl that like warlocks are rogues

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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hrmm, Method's got G'huun down to 20%

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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To be clear, i boosted a lock because it semeed fun, not to minmax

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@modern brook my first main was a rogue 😬

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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@grim prism same

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 PM

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grimace

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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but they are also 13 hours into attempts

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I honestly couldnt tell you if demo was even decent at that point

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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It wasnt

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Lol

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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I cannot judge you, my first main was a male belf demon hunter

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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@KrotosTheTank there was 1 +30 run before giga artifact level

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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But blizz also hadn't corrected his scaling yet

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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literally lower than the bottom of the barrel

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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so he was fckin huge

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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And several 29s

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:54 PM

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meanwhile I log on my warrior "Oh look, missing abilities and talents, this sounds fun"

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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ugh

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yeah

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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beta prot was some dark times

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some dark, dark times

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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I was gearing up to burn a week of vacation and drive out to Cali

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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lol

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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tfw we arw all beta because we picked prot :pepehands:

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:55 PM

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and slap some fucking class devs with a car door sized slab of metal

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while screaming "THIS IS HOW PROT DOES, THIS IS HOW PROT DOES"

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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I think the worst part was that most of the other classes had some sort of communication coupled with their changes at that time

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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How do you guys feel about the talent tree as it pertains to our rotation?

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Maybe someone did that and thats why they pruned focused rage on SB @uneven mason

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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I honestly think the only reason we work as a tank at all is because of key talent positions

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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@modern brook what talent tree? We have zero options

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Warriors didn't even get acknowledged "yea we took all this away but don't worry bois, it's a comin"

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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<

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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exactly

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Not stoked on that

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Like if we dont take anger management and bolster

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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and then like 2 weeks later "hey you guys are mad and we see that, but you caught the changes mid-sweep"

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Carnivale they didn't give any tanks a post I don't think (cept for paladin??)

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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can we still actually keep up with progression content?

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:56 PM

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Legion gave us like what, three viable options to build?

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Erm

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depending onwhat set you were wearing

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if you were 4/2

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Yes @dogc

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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in T21

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Now its "pick these and demo on cooldown you dumbshit" lol

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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your talent build was changes

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TBH there has always been a meta build for tanking talents

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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god

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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variations for tanks are very rare

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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My concern isnt that its a meta build

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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Idk, I definitely don't get caught up in the "theres only one viable build" craze. Like, I get why it bothers some people for sure, but for me I just really don't care all that much.

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 8:57 PM

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4pc t20+2pc t21 was insane

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overflowing rage

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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its that the meta build is meta because it makes the way we tank work

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where we rely on AM reductions to maintain huge Shout uptimes

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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yeah

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and DC

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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and bolster to cover sheild block drops

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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yup

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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It isnt the end of the world, but its frustrating

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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"got a build that works, and I flex maybe this one row of talents depending on what I'm doing? cool, works for me"

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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I like the illusion of choice when i play wow

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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I'm perfectly fine living in that space

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:58 PM

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Thats all it is

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like, I don't think outside of "I need this for AE"

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I've really swapped talents mid raid much atall

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in any Xpac

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since the nerw talent stuff went in

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Literally my only choice in talents that I make right now is "do I want storm bolt or shockwave CDR"

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Like, back in the fucking day

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You had 1 build

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and that was your fucking build

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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and guess what? I'm lazy, so I almost always stick with storm bolt.

light whale Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Sorry lads, real quick, i'm leaning toward the disc and rezans am i correct in this?

📎 wurp.png

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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For what content? @light whale

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 8:59 PM

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Syringe

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is gonna out perform disc eh?

hearty crater Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Syringe

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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Id do syringe and RZE

light whale Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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i dps m+ this is pure raid atm

thin mortar Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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personally I still like rezans, syringe if you're worried about damage

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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yeah REzan's

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btw I fucking hate you for having that eye

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my trinket luck is still complete shit

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I'm still running a 340 flask and blockades

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cause I've seen zero eyes

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and howls

light whale Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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my weapon/shield luck is dumpster

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 9:00 PM

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and nothing TFs for shit

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Syringe grants crit which is surprisingly useful defensively due to parry

uneven mason Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Oh I got a WF Shield and Weapon

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first clear

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Other one just gives some meh frontal

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Did I read that shields don't TF, or was that a joke?

light whale Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Aight, cheers

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Correct they do not.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Got 360 mythic+ mace from AD

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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@knotty ermine they stopped TFing this past week

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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0.o

thin mortar Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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weapon/offhand can only warforge to my understanding

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Still 355 oswains

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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Ripperino

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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got a 370 from warfront cache

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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gotta love that nerf that hits prot the hardest

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 9:01 PM

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haste/mas 😄

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Spam ADs for that bis shit

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Yeah

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Sick onehander and shield on the drop table

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Among others

thin mortar Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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I got gloves out of mine.. then rolled better gloves from weekly +10 -_-

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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Do all the mythic+ ADs you can find

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Mace, shield, ring, trinket

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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I was rocking a blue shield for what felt like ages. Got a 355 AD shield, and an hour later got a 355 shield of G'huun.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 PM

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All bis category

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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i got a 370 axe from the piss easy arathi world boss

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feels good

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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I worked it out and literally all your BiS shit aside from gloves and hands comes from AD, UR, and KR. Like four or five pieces from AD alone

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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gloves and hands

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Excluding howler too, but thats the only thing in toldagor worth farming

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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i like to wear both

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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Gloves and wrist, w/e

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Lll

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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😉

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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got 370 crit/vers 1h from completing 4 mythics last week. Not turrible, but didn't blow my socks off either

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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KR honestly not bad at high mythic+ long have uber dps and a dispel

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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most of KR is avoidable damage tbh

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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You guys read the Reddit Post with Tank % in mythic?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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KR take a DK and profit. Take a druid with mass entanglement for all the luls

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:04 PM

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there are some trouble spots but the dungeon can be neutered with dont stand in bad shit maneuvers

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Holy those guys are bitching about the state of prot rn

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Lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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step one

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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KR has the widest spread of easy to hard depending on whether or not you fuck it up lol

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Cus reddit gaymers are bad.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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Don't consider reddit discussion to be serious and valued

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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@sick sentinel same old same old

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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I've learned the best way to tell if someone plays prot is to ask them how they feel prot is based in the game right now

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and if they say bad, they've never tanked in their life

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:05 PM

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If it's not on r/competitivewow it's not worth reading

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r/wow is a cesspool

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r/competitivewow just has better self-enforced elitism

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Lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:07 PM

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r/competitivewow has a bunch of scobros, so you gotta watch out

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:07 PM

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I watched SCo's ranking of tanks and it didnt make any sense to me

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:07 PM

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That Sco vid has 3x more views than any raid strat video

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:07 PM

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Sco thinks on a high end lvl

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:07 PM

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I got into an argument about it this morning

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Really not trying to rehash this one rn

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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I mean specifically he rated warriors self sustain as a 0/10

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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We know

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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and then monk's at 3/10

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what self sustain do monks have?

chrome iron Sep 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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Warrior self sustain is great if you have lots of easy-to-kill adds around you

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:08 PM

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I’ve been doing so many AD runs.

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No fucking luck

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Warrior self sustain is situational, im not arguing that it should be low

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but idk if im just forgetting a talent/cd but i cant think of a single self sustain on a monk

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Imo Sco is a fantastic raid maintank, but he hasn't really cared to learn about prot's toolkit in earnest

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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2 chest a +9? squat

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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should i use elv ui??????

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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U only get the proc if it's you who deals the killing blow

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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@junior ivy I do

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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I mean he was doing M Krosus with HR and indom

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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why no

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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He hasnt mained prot in ages

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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ElvUI is nice

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Use a ui if you dislike the standard ui

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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That's not very reliable

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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Once you set it up

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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if you dont mind it / can see eeverything you want to on defeault dont worry about it

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if your Comp sucks shit it might affect playability too

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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i dont use default

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i have 101 addons

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iu had 136, i deleted 35

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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101? The fuck?

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lol

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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i had 189 a few mlonths ago

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months

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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wot

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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i hope the 101st is an addon to manage your addons jeez

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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Sounds a bit excessive.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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i have like 3

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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You should see her screencaps bro

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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elv ui wa and dbm

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Its like my grandma collecting cats

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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my UI is nice tho

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😦

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Same dogc

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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then keep it

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its a ui

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you're the u

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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LOL

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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i with the game how you want

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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flashes back to helping my grandma on her computer and seeing her IE toolbar addins

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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but my game crashes every timer i have a loading screen

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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Cat, you love your UI but every other week you pop in to ask us what some obscure icon or map marker is lmao

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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delete the other 98 addons then

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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cant figure out which addon is doing it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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My grandmother is dead now btw. They say it was old age that got her, but I'd like to think it was IE that gave her cancer.

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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Is there any sort of tank rankings out there?

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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I would make the same argument i use for macros , u can definetly play without them and u might be better tahn some ppl , but you would most definetly improve yourself if u used them

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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@devout marten what kind of ranking do you mean

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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survivability mostly

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 PM

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play monk

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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There's the Sco video from prepatch which we are actually arguing about right now

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That seems to be the gospel the wow community followa

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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If your goal is to play the most not-die tank currently, the answer is monk pretty unarguably

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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Lul

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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what about after monk?

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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TLDW all tanks are within three points of each other on an 18 point aggregated scale; play what you have fun playing

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 PM

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doesnt matter all the tanks are good

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If you have literally any other rating system besides not dying, play what you enjoy the most

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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if you want to not die, play monk

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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idk men, veng is feeling quite shit imo

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Why is that

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What dont you like

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Veng isnt shit, you just actually have to press metamorph this expansion

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:14 PM

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Ye i know, procced it first thing on pull ish and had it back for ghuun tanking

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have to switch at lower stacks too

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:15 PM

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that was more a shot at shoddy design from legion than you, btw

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I metaphorically took metamorph off my bars during my legion progressions

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but yeah is there anything in particular you dislike about veng?

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generally its better in M+

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where its utility is actually put to use

devout marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:16 PM

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feels like there's no leeway

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and sometimes run out of defensives :/

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:16 PM

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yeah play monk

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 9:16 PM

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my cotank doesnt have those issues

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hes vdh

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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I'd look at logs / be cognative of when you're using mitigation

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something I learned I do a lot is just burn mit becuase i can rather than because its needed

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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@devout marten i'm just gonna save you the trouble and say you will dislike prot

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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which is SUPER punishing this exp, especially on warrior

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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We are very dependent on rotating cooldowns for survivability

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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^

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 PM

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We have less "leeway" than any tank in the game right now

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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If you botch your mitigation and you dont have the option to kite, you're probably going to just die

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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progressss

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:18 PM

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Not to shit in your cereal bowl or anything

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A lot of us find it fun, myself included, but mistakes on prot are very punishing

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:19 PM

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^

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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accidenlty use both sb charges

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incoming mechanic

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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If you're coming off Legion vengeance demon hunter I would definitely take a look at your timing of cooldowns / mitigation. Legion dh was like " all your cooldowns are actually dps windows, have fun"

gaunt coyote Sep 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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though its harder to do that with sb 40 rage cost

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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which is a concept they took a hard left from in BfA

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:20 PM

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I think SB is 30, maybe 35

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But yeah its more than last expac regardless

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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its 30 and 40 for sb & ip respectively

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Which is fine considering how much rage we generate

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Idk how people have issues with starvation

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I had them for a while

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Maybe its because i only tank m+

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Ok, so I have a question I have no idea how to figure out.

I care only about dps over the course of a 5-minute patchwork fight. All of the rotational abilities (SS, TC, and revenge) are on cooldown and I have 40 rage or more. What will give me more dps; using devatstate or using IP to lower the CD of demo and avatar?

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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Too much Rev spam and IP spam

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:21 PM

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I had 2 or 3 clean dungeons runs last night where i feel like i finally figured out the rotation and i havent had them since

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its a LOT easier to maintain rage in AoE tohugh

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 9:22 PM

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^

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:22 PM

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if you only care about DPS, I'd say devestate

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:22 PM

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@vagrant cape literally impossible to answer without sims, but my guess is spending IP whenever possible. Since rage expenditure is gated by rage gen (you cant spend rage you dont have) and it has to get spent at SOME point so you so you dont cap

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I mean obviously you would dump into revenge where possible, to get both benefits

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:23 PM

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my reasoning being that you'd dump via revenge and never press IP

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if capping were a concern you block

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Block also buffs shield slam

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So ye

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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true

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Rage on that

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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IP seems like the last thing you want to press to deal damage

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Would just rev and block would be enough to keep from capping in a one-add fight?

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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probably?

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until yourun out of blocks

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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Perhaps

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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IDT it matters

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if you ever hit a fight were you're dpsing as a tank

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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And rev is still going to proc free every couple melees

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 PM

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your DPS Will kill it before you hit this situation

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like actively not pressing ip dpsing

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:25 PM

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You mean, if you ever get to a fight where you are DPSing as tank you would die because prot👏has👏no👏self👏sustain?

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:25 PM

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lol

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v true

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Lel

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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2x callous reprisal + 1x DC for mythic plus, thoughts?

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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@knotty ermine sounds fun, do you have it?

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Remind me whst callous did

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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a more accurate answer would be it 100% depends on whether or not the 40 rage spent from that IP nets you an additional cast of Avatar / DS

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Rev damage @surreal maple

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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over the course of 5 minutes

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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Mhm

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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I do. Was going to try it out tonight.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 PM

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if it doesnt then its a 0 damage gain and a 1 gcd damage loss

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Does not sound too bad for dps aoe

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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And uhh decreases mob damage by 1.5% when stacked?

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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@modern brook that's a very good point.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Rev dmg and also drops dmg done to you by 1.5% (3% for 2 traits?)

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:27 PM

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Thats generally how most cool down reduction is valued

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ie: havoc shoulders in legion were only good if you could get an additional metamorph in because of them

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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@knotty ermine i think thats correct

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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otherwise any other legendary was better

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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Three stacks from two CRs at 0.5% per stack, total 3%?

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Something like that

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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4,5%

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:28 PM

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is it multiplicative or additive?

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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inb4 those new azerite traits Ion was talking about will give something similar to the bracer leggo in legion.

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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God knows

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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All % modifiers are multiplicative afaik

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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That’d be neat.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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cause 2 1.5% reduction is 2.25 iirc

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Yeah thats what I was thinking. DC is obviously set in stone for this set. Thinking about messing with the two CR pieces to mess around with.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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multiplicative

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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Depends how they coded it then

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Who the fuck knows lol

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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I think I like BFI more than CR

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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I think the icy veins guide went indepth about taht trait if you wanna read that

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:29 PM

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honestly i think in AoE damage you're better off with 3x thunderclap trait

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the demo shout doesnt stack but the damage does

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:30 PM

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You can’t get triple of DC.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:30 PM

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I'd still run BFI, that block increase is nice af in M+

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 9:30 PM

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There are no chests with it.

modern brook Sep 17, 2018, 9:30 PM

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til

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my point is that revenge sucks shit still

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even with .5% dr and some extra damage

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though maybe im wrong

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thats just my impression

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 9:30 PM

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You have to also dump into revenge to keep it stacked