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chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:17 PM

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It’s not that blizz is bad

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They try to adapt where they see an issue get fixed

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Buuuuuttttt

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The thing is the community just provides better tools because they know what we need or know what would improve it because they’re in the same boat as you are

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:19 PM

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I use the stock UI but with diff unit frames and WAs, etc. But that's just personal preference to Elv/Tuk, or any other bars. Used to mess with them a lot but I've found its easier to take long breaks from the game when you come back to basically stock UI than the few times I had to do a complete overhaul because there were significant changes to the UI I was previously using.

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I mean, uhh... "I've been raiding since vanilla and don't need no daggum replacement UI, kid"

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Don’t take a break 🙃

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Blizz shill detected

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@admins plz respond

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:20 PM

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Oof

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You got me

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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stranger danger

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Azerite armor is great

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/s

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Got that "/s" up lightning quick

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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LOL

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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I love having to continually grind AP to use the same traits on slightly higher ilvl gear

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/s

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:21 PM

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Still, how did that first sentence feel to type. Better/worse than current IP? 😛

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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I’m indifferent to current IP

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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yeah; the AP thing makes no sense

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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It does its job but it doesn’t do it well

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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hey, here is a nice piece of gear, but you can't use any traits

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Well really

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It does its job but it could do it much better

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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@knotty ermine yeah same here, everytime i come back, having to re-learn add-ons and remembering which ones i had is a pain in the ass and it usually takes me literally a couple of days, so i try to use as little addons as possible

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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Assuming blizz actually decided to up the absorb limit

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:22 PM

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I'm not in the sky falling camp of current IP, but I also don't like it. I would be perfectly content if 1 cast was max absorb, and leave everything else as-is with it.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Well max absorb is 1.3x which isn’t amazing

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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If they increased 1 cast to max absorb I mean

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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If IP was say double the absorb value it’d actually be in a really good place imo

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It’s just a scaling issue imo

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:23 PM

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Yeah but it still feels wonky, which I think is many people's biggest issue with how underwhelming it is for eating 2 globals to get there.

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Yeah

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Taking it off the gcd wouldn’t make it better

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Like, make if full value or (gasps) increase the value, and its fine.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Unlike some people want to say

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It’d be objectively the same or worse tbh

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Messing with the GCD, the rage cost, etc, aren't going to "feel" any better overall, imo

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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IP off gcd would make it feel better

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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Accidentally double IP like it’s possible to do with IF 🙃

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:24 PM

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it would make it feel beter, but it wouldn't actually BE better

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Like I said objectively it wouldn’t make a difference

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Now Avatar and Demo Shout off gcd though?

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That’d objectively make the spec better

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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Not to sound like a blizz shill myself, but if they wanted to make the "interesting choice" actually interesting, have IP actually be WORTH the GCD we're using on it, and sacrificing dmg/threat output to use

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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I mean I agree

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:25 PM

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I could actually get onboard with their "interesting choice" mantra at that point

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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But even then it’s not an “interesting” choice

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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I agree carnivale, I get the design decision

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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It’s just the logical choice

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You have two options

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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threat or survival

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:26 PM

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Are you going to die or cause bad things to happen?
If yes, IP; if no, Revenge

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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Psh "Is your healer capable of snap heals? ok cool IP no longer exists, yolo"

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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It’s a binary decision in the long run not an interesting one

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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Always gotta have that healer blame in the logic, somewhere

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 PM

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But I wouldn’t expect Ion “I was a hardcore raider” Hazikostas to understand

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On a side note I’m hoping limit will get the upset win this tier

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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You mean Ion "gray parsing resto shaman lawyer IRL that is now lead designer because reasons" hazikostas? Yeah I've heard of that guy

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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lol he says they've got ex-hardcore raiders on their feedback team when it comes to tuning decisions 😂

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:28 PM

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Lololololol

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That’s perfect @knotty ermine

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 2:29 PM

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Does this mean if you kill one mythic boss you can get on the feed back team ?

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:29 PM

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i started using ip more often so pug healers dont whine about their mana anymore

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I basically default to using IP exclusively hasn’t stopped me from orange parsing

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 PM

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Kill things faster, comrade. If mobs are dead, they cannot damage you

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Not hard to orange parse when you're one of 7 prot warriors in the zone

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I also don’t find Revenge “satisfying” to push tbh

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I disagree, slightly

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in an AoE pack, getting revenge procs like crazy and alternating bootyclap and revenge

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30kdps feelsamazingman

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but outside of that, I do agree with you

open bluff Sep 17, 2018, 2:31 PM

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revenge should be a builder again imo, give prot something else to spend rage on offensively

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:32 PM

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revenge not satisfying? am i the only one who gets giddy and swinging my sword broadly across a pack's collective faces all at once?

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😮

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:32 PM

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Revenge is still more satisfying than dev

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:32 PM

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the sound it makes too

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:33 PM

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devastate is the minimum wage of abilities imo. "We'd give you less, but we can't"

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:33 PM

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lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:33 PM

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RIP devastator

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:33 PM

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here push this button as a stress reliever and leave us alone

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-blizz

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:34 PM

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"It did a thing, did you see it? The thing it did? Yeah, it totally did the thing."

kind urchin Sep 17, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Revenge feels almost useless in single target. Feels bad man.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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I only use the free revenges in ST

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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WTB execute for prot.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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^

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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since my crybag healers prefer IP in that case

kind urchin Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Exactly. Not often.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Something about "smoothing"

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Execute would be amazing

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Except rename it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Know what makes me ignore pain? Dishing pain out.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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And make it ranged

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Sudden death was great as prot. Charge in shield slam and follow it with a free execute

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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And call it “End Them Rightly”

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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Just bake Execute functionality into shield slam

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mob below x health, SS has no CD but reduce the rage generated by, idk... half, or something

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yolo

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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I’m still surprised blizz hasn’t jumped on that meme even Ubisoft did and implemented a pommel throw execution in For Honor

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I mean we have glyphs

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Can’t be that hard to redo the heroic throw animation

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Glyphs? You mean crucible traits?

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I mean

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Azerite traits?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Stop it you’re depressing me

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Path of the Titans, never forget

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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rofl

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I kinda miss shattering throw.

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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holy shit i had forgotten about that

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Kinda? Shit was boss.

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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path of the titans imean

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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I miss it every time a pally bubbles

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Or they bubble a kill target

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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yeah i loved shattering

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in every spec

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would be so good right now with warmode though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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It’d be amazing

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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shattter that bubble, bitchslap paladin

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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But people would cry even harder about Arms rn

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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Glyphs are cool though. For example, each time I cast victory rush, my warrior grows in size.

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dat immersion

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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He’s getting pumped dude

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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oh christ lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Did you just assume my warrior's gender?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Yes

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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/ignores pain

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Fight me

bleak sluice Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Shield slam off gcd while in execute range ; )

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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say what you want about glyphs but i'm never removing thunder strike glyph

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especially now

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Well, duh

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That is completely necessary

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Look at it this way at least we’re getting a relatively non triggering conversation in here instead of people coming in basically saying “prot is shit” in an indirect way and implying that the other tanks are so much more viable that it makes playing prot stupid

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Also, swapped helms this week for the deeps, and use my engineering helm for tanking ez m+ runs, using bomb cluster

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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i wish it was louder so it could mute the cries of my friends in dungeons when i tell them to look at Details

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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between bootyclap glyph and those bombs, its a lightshow on top of me

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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i'm still using that big red button

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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I’d swap helmets buuuuuuuuuutttttttttt

bleak sluice Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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Prot is fun 😃

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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Deafening Crash

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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^^

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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😑

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Ripperoni

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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🤞🏼for 385 DC piece this week

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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Got excited about a chest piece from Uldir last night

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wrong chest piece, traits are garbo

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for prot/fury anyway

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Story of the prot life

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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It now resides in a nice little corner of my bank

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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cries in bagspace

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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that's why the azerite system is broken; you can get a upgrade; and "nope azerite traits blow"

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hilarious... not really

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just shard it!

bleak sluice Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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Anyone try 3x Reckless Flurry because we can

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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I mean if they were smart you’d have your pick of all the traits

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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I have to wear a 300 helmet, when i have a 345, becuase of DC

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makes no sense

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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they should have just done the same fucking thing as legion and stick extra "talents" into the stupid neck

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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45 ilvls isn’t worth sandbagging

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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but having demo up for so long is so helpful

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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We were in a real positive space, and I feel like I turned the conversation. Apologies lads, lets get back to talkin bout how great it feels when we flex on DPS meters in M+ runs the general populous doesn't think we should be in anyway

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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It’s up to 35 ilvls iirc

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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hmm

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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speaking of which

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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I mean it feels great when Arms warriors and rogues tell me how great I am because they can go full burst on trash during skittish @knotty ermine

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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just feels bad not being able to put demo shout up FOREVER almost

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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i've been gone for a week due to vacations, let me take a look at those logs

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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Yayaya

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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oh nimchip you'll love em!

daring marlin Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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@chilly brook same bro

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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Skittish is basically a nonexistent affix for us right now

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And it's glorious

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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Which logs?

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These logs you say?!? 💪🏻

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Sorry not sorry always flex

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Now you're talkin like a warrior

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Crying about shit abilities is for tree huggin resto druids amirite

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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If only DC trait stacked in terms of ability extension

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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That would be legit broken

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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I could push 100% uptime lol

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When Ion was talking about azerite traits being broken specifically some being 100’s of %’s ahead of others I couldn’t help but think that DC is about to get a huge smack down

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Which if it happens is gonna make me cry

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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I honestly wouldn't expect them to touch prot until they have more substantial changes in place, blizzard is v aware of the rushed position they put prot in

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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TBH I’d prefer if they leave prot alone except for a slight buff to our single target abilities and a scaling readjustment to IP

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I have to wear my 340 shoulders for DC instead of using my 385

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Cuz I really don't see it being worth losing DC entirely

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Yeah definitely. Things are so far out of balance right now that I've just been stockpiling every azerite piece I can for when the pass does come. If they would focus on making IP not be so feelsbad-ey, and would work a bit on our ST, we'd be sitting pretty. Being Blizz, I fully expect them to nerf DC, and then do very little else cept something stupid like "we increased warrior's base health to fix their low representation in Uldir" or something. Side note- Anyone else get incredibly annoyed when something gets killed off before you have a chance to pop it for that sweet sweet victory rush? Kept happening in m+ last night and I was made to be sad

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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385 have BfI but can't unlock 2nd ring yet so I don't see it being better than 340 with everything unlocked

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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feels using IP while shieldblock is down and then IP gets eaten up in 3 seconds from multiple mobs

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Yay because for some reason you need more AP to use the SAME traits

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Reasons and things

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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feels bad*

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Don’t worry though papa Ion said once you hit 18 on your neck you can access the outer ring on any piece!

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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That I can

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9gi0xe/tank_representation_mythic_uldir_week_1/

Tank Representation: Mythic Uldir Week 1 • r/wow

228 points and 261 comments so far on reddit

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Just not the 2nd ring

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I know

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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everyone crying about how prot war is hard

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lel

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no issues here fam!

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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But ilvl alone isn't worth saccing DC

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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I’m just taking pot shots at retarded logic

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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skyhold

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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It is numerically

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At a certain point

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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160 str and 320 stam ain't better than DC

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No way

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Literally no way

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Retarded? We like to use the term "differently-abled" around here

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Over the course of a full fight? The armor and strength and potential other trait can outweigh it

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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I'm talking m+

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Raid yes, not m+

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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But we’re talking it only becomes feasible at 35+ ilvls

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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A paper bag would be better at tanking thrash than a Prot Warrior.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Depends on what m+ you're doing. If you're pushing keys, not worth since you likely aren't grouping up everything in the zone each cd cycle. Farm keys? Yeah DC is absolutely worth.

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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people really thinkthis?

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wtf?

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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People are retarded

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I had a group that was surprised how well I was doing

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On a 9 atal

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Yes people are differently-abled on reddit @plain vapor

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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@plain vapor Prot isn't in a great place right now, but at the same time its nowhere near as bad as many people believe. The issue, I think, comes from the skill floor being so much lower on prot than on other tanks. Like, you can suck, and play any tank except prot warriors.

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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They never saw a good warrior and were impressed how much dps I did and how I actually had self healing

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Oh wow

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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It's just a huge misconception

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Why did I actually look at the comments

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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And many prots just being borderline retarded

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Some of these “prot warriors” must be way more woke than I am

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Got to look at it with the right context though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I mean I wouldn’t say we’re in a bad place

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Coming from Legion, where any dps could swap to tank spec and just yolo their way through

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I’d say we’re just fine

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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wow imagine having to know how to play your class to succeed 😮

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Suddenly there exists a tank that actually requires a functioning brainstem

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but

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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I saw a prot warri running punish indom revenge talent vengeance and heavy repercussions and he was being serious

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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only one of them

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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So literally every wrong talent he could've picked

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Basically, we're living through right now what brewmasters lived through in 7.0/7.1

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You needed a specific level of autism to play BM well when Legion launched, but played well they were god-tier

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Prots like him make us all look bad

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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people didnt realize that, and just went with "BM sucks, don't inv"

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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This hurts

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I can’t even

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My brain

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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y u do dis

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It's Monday

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Bit early for dosing the brain with cancer

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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@strong forum was his name Sco?

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🙃

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:08 PM

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I feel like every moron in that thread charges in, then hits avatar and demo shout before doing anything else

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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I like that the ability to self heal is what they consider to be a cornerstone of tanking

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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but, we got selfheal though.
Healthpot and healstones
/S

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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I like the passive Ignore Pain based on rage generated.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Can’t tell if being serious

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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Surprisingly not griff

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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I am, what's not to like?

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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I would rather they just put IP on the same GCD as shield block

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Obviously some things would need to be redesigned a bit, mostly revenge (SB could just lose rage cost)

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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I mean I’d rather we have the beta version that lasted x amount of time with no absorb cap and drained rage with being hit

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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i actually meant M+ logs @chilly brook

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Look at it this way. Blizz is going all in on class fantasy. Warriors are big dumb monsters rocking heavy armor, able to mitigate but also fight through the pain of damage recieved. From what I can tell, the people in that thread have only embraced the "big dumb" part of their class fantasy.

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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just one prot warrior i see on the top page

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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hahahha

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Lol

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Mekw or whatever

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I mean here’s what I wouldn’t like about IP being entirely passive

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I wouldn’t have any real interaction with it

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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The problem is, if they buff us we're op. If they nerf us we're garbage

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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^

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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At least with BrM I had an interaction with my passive mitigation

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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We are on such an unstable spot currently that any change could have a bad effect on the entire spec

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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I want the ability to make sure IP is up/capable of taking what I'm about to be hit with

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prot is a planning spec

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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I like how it’s only warriors who are considered OP if they’re in the number one position regardless of spec 🤔

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/20#metric=dps&class=Tanks&boss=-1 only sense 😦

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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@chilly brook
You would in the sense that you would have to generate more rage

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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oh nvm i see 2 more 😄

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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@strong forum or maybe we’re actually so well balanced that one change ruins the whole thing 🙃

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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Well I didn't bother pushing yet, cuz I'm still undergeard at 365

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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I've quit playing my Prot Warrior. Either I suck at tanking or there's something terribly wrong. I get fucking wrecked in Mythic dungeons.

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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But I'm 913

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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@junior igloo except you should maximize rage generation anyways because AM

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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get a load of this guy

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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@junior igloo then you'd be pulling punchs and holding back rev/shield slams for right ebfore incoming dmaage spikes.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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So that’s not really any real interaction

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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it's just not a good idea

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Don't want any changes to prot warr.

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Feels great.

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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@lusty grotto ofc prot is underrepresented cuz not a lot play warri

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Well presumably after some redesign, AM will not be autopick

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Just gimme better DPS players to play with on this server.

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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that wasn't my point nomeratur

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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It's true though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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I mean even if AM isn’t an auto pick you should still be maximizing your rage generation

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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yeah you're right but i wasn't trying to say something i just thought there'd be a lot more of us there hehe

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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Well im at like 470

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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or rather to complain*

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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You don’t get any benefit out of not maximizing it and you definitely are worse off if you’re not generating as much rage as is feasible

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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how does WCL calculate dps scores anyway?

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does it compare with everyone else?

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higher is better or something?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:16 PM

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Maybe, maybe not, depends on the implementation.
Right now max dps rotation is not the same as max rage generation

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 PM

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I actually really enjoy playing prot right now, even with every ability as is. If they would buff up the absorb from a single cast of IP, I would happily take "devastate is a stupid and lame ability" as my biggest complaint for the spec right now.

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 PM

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@lusty grotto
Max dps of your spec = 120 points.
Your points = 120 * your dps / max dps

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 PM

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IP could definitely use some fixing, but I would be sad if Blizz actually overhauled the class from its current state.

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:18 PM

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what defines max dps of your spec?

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sims ?

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:18 PM

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People seek to like Unstoppable Force and Anger Management

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(Never mind that they’re basically at odds with one another in actual gameplay)

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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wat

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Wut

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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how are they at odds?

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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dat troll

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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generate rage -> spend rage

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profit

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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But my opinion is that everything else about Protection pretty much sucks ass right now

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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Wait, wot

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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For me talents getting fixed is top priority.
Increasing EHP (possibly just 5-10 % HP multiplier) would help a lot with why warriors always die nowadays.
Changing IP is not really needed, more personal feeling situation

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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UF=tons of rage generated and spent

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Which gets avatar up faster

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And literally everything else

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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With Avatar up, every other GCD is TC, so you can barely even spend rage

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Wut

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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TC, spend rage, TC

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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@lusty grotto
Whoever has log with highest dps

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Like

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Wat

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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that's not true though lol

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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@junior igloo ok thanks

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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they arent at odds whatsoever

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they work together

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Especially given that you’re starting at like 70 rage from Avatar and DS

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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Do you even warrior my guy?

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When one TC=30 rage

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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ds does not give you 50 rage btw

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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🤔

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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You’re dropping SS and Revenge from your rotation if you’re jamming IP in every other GCD

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Avatar is 20 and DS is 40

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Play a gnome, don't overcap
incoming gnome hate

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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If you're using avatar why would you use SS over TC for the duration

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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no, krom

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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What even is this coming from

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Avatar+intercept->SB->DS->TC does not mean cap

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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20 + 40 /=/ 70

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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you can use tclap, SS, then tclap again comfortably

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Krom did you drink the koolaid since last time you were bitching

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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@opaque pagoda you’re not playing your warrior properly lol

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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Plus your first TC before you cast DS

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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TC with UF is higher priority than SS

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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you'll have an open gcd to use after you tclap with avatar

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unless you have lust up

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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It’s not the first time a CD made an ability higher than another

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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you'll also have 2 charges of shield block tat are off the GCD

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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📎 unknown.png

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I mean I DS before I even TC 🤔

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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poggers

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when my shit procs

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I think a lot of people in this channel have just obviously gotten fucking wasted on kool-aid if they can’t recognize the problems with IP being on the GCD making the whole class feel janky

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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What

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Even

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Relevancy

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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And all this “wat” stuff is asinine

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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???????????

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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when My shit proc I have 65+ lel

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I must be doing something right

📎 image0.jpg

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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what kinda shit do u have

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give mer some

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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sometime I wonder if someone just BLed the trashs

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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oh must be rezan or something

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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engineering google, rezan's eye, weapon enchant

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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It is abundantly fucking clear that there is very little room in the rotation for IP

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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i dont have a haste proc trinket

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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@opaque pagoda no you’re just doing something wrong lol

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Not even true

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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👀

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I would agree with krom there. Remove ip from the gcd and warrior would be so much more fun and smooth to play

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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krom how much have you tanked in your warrior?

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sometimes you are rage capped

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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You clearly don’t understand the “rotation”

lusty grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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i dont understand why people think they need to spam IP still

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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often you are rage capped actually

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I'm gonna miss them googles when I loot some high level helm

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Not using IP :lamo:

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Lol okay, that’s why warriors are vastly underrepresented, it’s because I don’t know what I’m doing, clearly

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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it can feel a bit clunky but its certainly do able

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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legion babies still only know how to ip

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Lemme see some logs @opaque pagoda

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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how do you figure IP doesnt fit in there?

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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I mean you just said Avatar and UF are 'at odds' so I mean

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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I don't spam it. But it would make everything feel better

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Yeah you're off the rails

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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You have plenty of time using IP instead of fucking revenge

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Actually that is why they’re underrepresented because people don’t know what they’re doing

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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i IP to save healer's mana and to dump rage when revenge is down lol

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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I switched to my Paladin after observing how unfulfilling prot warriors are to play

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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What's the problem with people not using IP I don't get it

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Wat

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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That literally is why they’re underrepresented

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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But I still leveled my prot warrior to 120 and run M+

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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translation: i switched to paladin cos i dont know how to warrior

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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cant just faceroll as warrior

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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@opaque pagoda show me some logs dude

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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LMAO

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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being sotr starved is better to you than having to cast IP??? Kappa

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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@undone sun Don't wat plz you're being 'asinine' 😵

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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Bring me the goods

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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I don’t have logs for you, I don’t raid on my warrior

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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learning how to play a class in 2018? fuck that imma go play pally

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Lul

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“I don’t actually play my class I just cry about it and offer opinions when I have no clue how to actually play in the first place”

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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I guess people still in this channel are just in denial

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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i guess being 7/8H 3 weeks in requires the entire raid to min max with OP classes

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Why you would base what you play on how others play is ridiculous

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Clearly

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Self-selecting bias

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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That’s why there’s at least 3 warriors who are successfully clearing bosses in Mythic Uldir without much of an issue

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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There are people that aren't 1/8M yet???

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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@opaque pagoda , can you explain to me how the two talents are actually counter-intuitive or in direct conflict to each other?

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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M Taloc is just a loot pinata

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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waiting for the "i was just pretending to be retarded" moment

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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I'm 2/8 LFR

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Because honestly it really feels like you are trolling right now

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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yikes

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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Hgoon is harder than mythic taloc

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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He’s gotta be a troll

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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“HIGH END MYTHIC RAIDING GUILDS JUST DON’T KNOW HOW TO WARRIOR” is just blatantly absurd on the face of it

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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im on M vectis right now

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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High end Mythic guilds can’t be bothered with actually having to put effort into tanking when they raid 9 hours a day

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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@opaque pagoda You do realize that the most publicly accessible mythic raiding tank in the top 5 didn't know how to Warrior in Legion

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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oh boy

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Uh huh, uh huh

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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i see what this is now

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a thinly veiled scopoints discussion

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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That Demo Shout uptime tho

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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I mean you realize it’s almost impossible to mess up as a BrM or a Druid right?

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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DAE feel like UF and AM work absolutely shit together??

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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Citing Sco on anything these days?

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OOF.

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Y I K E S

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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@raven kernel repair yo

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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@opaque pagoda any answer to my question, or is this trolling going to continue?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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When you actually sit there wiping for hours there’s real value in not having to try

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Funny fact: I didn’t cite sco

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Legitimately @opaque pagoda Why did you come back here after spending weeks complaining on mmochampion, wow official forums and here complaining about a class you don't like and don't bother to understand? It's actually bizarre to read this, I feel like I'm back in legion pre-patch

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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He’s clearly a troll

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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OOFT.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Funny fact: You also haven't actually supported any of your claims

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Ban me then, I don’t give a fuck

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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He's probably a mage that got out dpsed by us and is raging

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Good talk

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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I’m just in awe at this bubble you guys are in

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Lol

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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whoa... thsi dude will die for his beliefs.... Incredible...

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Bubble? Lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Bubble? We're warriors. It's more of a shield

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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Said the pallu

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Ironic coming from a pally

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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No bubble when I’m actually clearing content 🙃

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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y i k e s

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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One might say we're ignoring the pain

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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rofl ^

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Big troll krom, as usual

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Enjoy that pally tank DPS my dude

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bottom barrel output

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:^)

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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I’m not trolling at all

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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youre just retarded?

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Then stop spouting nonsese

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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OOF

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Nonsense*

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Is that you in your profile picture?

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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if you're not trolling then you just don't know how to warrior.

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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If I were trolling, I wouldn’t have abandoned the warrior I mained for ten years

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Made a bunch of claims and incendiary remarks without anything to actually back up your claims

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certainly sounds like trolling

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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The whole class is deeply unsatisfying

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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You look like Alex Jones’ little brother

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Subjective

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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hahaha

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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nyeh warriors are bad prove me wrong, i'll sit here and wait nyeh

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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top tier work entertainment thanks guys

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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If you played for 10 years and can't figure out this current iteration, I guess I could understand why you're mad, but... still doesn't change the fact that you aren't even making a valid argument rn

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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we're aware of our shortcomings but people coming in here who don't know what they're doing saying "we're shit" helps no one and is just ignorant. people need to take some personal responsibility if they can't clear content with warrior

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thats all

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I mean must’ve been so hard spamming sunder armor in vanilla 👏🏻👏🏻

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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2+2 = 2 who care

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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them feels when Vanilla was more than 10 years ago...

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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@prisma night If I die in WQ as prot, is it the prot warrior discords fault?

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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THE ENTIRE INSPIRATION FOR THIS COMMENT CHAIN IS THE UNDENIABLE FACT THAT WARRIOR REPRESENTATION IN NYTHIC RAIDING IS INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL TO THEIR CLASS POPULARITY

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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mained warrior 10 years but complain about IP? u should be happy shield block is our baby again

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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You guys are fucking dense

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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caps lock is cruise control for awesome

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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I'll be honest, I don't find warrior terribly satisfying either.

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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mods!

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Hey he clearly could’ve abandoned the class 4 years ago @knotty ermine

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Alright that's enough

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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But it can perform.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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We're waiting for you to actually make a point

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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<@&257983573498265600>

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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He didn’t say he abandoned it this xpac

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Oh shit the Val'kyr are coming

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cheese it it's the fuzz

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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@amber siren clearly prot discords fault :kappa:

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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All you've said, so far, is "nah its actually bad, you're all bad, stfu"

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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I technically abandoned it on day one on BFA

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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and the ONE claim you did make (AM and UF being counter-intuitive to each other) you have yet to actually explain

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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What the fuck do you want me to say?

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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Krom the trick to Prot warrior is that you have to use a shield

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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nothing, i want you to stop talking

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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I mean I would like an apology for having to read that UF and AM are bad together with my two human eyes

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Played prot warrior back in BC when pally was arguably better and complains about state of warrior today :pogchamp

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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The class is nothing more than pressing Shield Block and wet noodling IP until you can spam DS again

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There’s nothing meaningful to spend rage on

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Hahhahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahhahahhaha

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Sounds like you're playing it wrong

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So

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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This is fucking obvious

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Hahhahahahahhahhahahahahhahahhahahahhaa

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Gavgahhahahhaahhahahaha

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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You're trash

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Like, literally trash

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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It’s worse than I thought bois

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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yeah you SHOULD just go faceroll a pally if that's what you think prot is.

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Eat a dick

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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disruptive, trolling, and insulting.

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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lol

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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guys

elfin arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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🍿

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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debates are fine, attacks not so much

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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This is some quality stuff

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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especially personal ones

calm whale Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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wadner

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Hey he does look like Alex Jones’ little brother you can’t deny that

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Glad you all are enjoying your little pile

hasty slate Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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This is my Monday morning 💤

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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just don't engage zzz

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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that has no relevance whatsoever Griff

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I took a shit this morning that required more effort than you put into your described method for playing a prot warrior. I can eat more fiber and adjust my diet, I don't know that there is a cure for your level of autism, yet

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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Warriors are shit, enjoy it

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Doesn’t have to have relevance

opaque pagoda Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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I’m out

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Good

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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This entire convo has no relevance

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Good talk

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Enjoy your DK

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or BrM

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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See ya next week

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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sure it does, we're talking about a spec and thoughts on it, and you're attacking his appearance

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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👋🏻

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Is that an attack?

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Wut

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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ok sorry, bringing up his appearance*

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as if it matters

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Wow are people so sensitive that saying he looks related to someone is an attack now?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Lets be real here. When you showing up being an incendiary assclown, you deserve, 100%, to be dealt with in kind

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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It didn’t matter because the whole thing was irrelevant

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Can we stop acting like I was somehow the problem?

stray wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Settle down please

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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KEEP YOUR C O M P O S U R E

stray wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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This discussion is clearly not productive

hasty slate Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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OwO has spoken

stray wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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Enough

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

stray wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Stop or I will mute you.

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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BEGONE

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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It’s all out now

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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One might say we are... e n r a g e d. (OK LAST ONE DON'T MUTE PLZ)

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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mods?!

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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So how’s everyone’s raid experiences been going?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Got shit on mythrax meta achieving for 2 hours last night

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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in a pleb guild but we're 4/8 hc

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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wasn't fun

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Haven't even got to raid yet; I'm just doing some Mythics

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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not good, havent found a group to progress with yet since every group wants u to join their guild

hasty slate Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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PuG couldn't handle N mythrax, peopel give up after 1-2 attempts.

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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I have my first kid coming in ~ 2 weeks, so can't really committ to raiding until we figure out his schedule

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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@prisma night I feel the pain we wiped 20 times on H Zul

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RIP

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But also Gratz!!!

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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we're gonna be on zul forever i bet

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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YEP!

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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everything feels fine so far as long as healers heal me

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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👌🏻

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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got b rezzed earlier on vectis hc. immediatly had to taunt cuz other tank had stacks. for 10 seconds straight no heals on me

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Guys, took a look at Sense on raider.io, he always keeps blockades, does it really have that much value ?

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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just died 10 sec after a brezz

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Honestly anyone have any tips for best dealing with Zul’s bleed? Or is it really just entirely up to heals?

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@ionic ridge yes

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@ionic ridge It's argubably the best defensive trinket rn

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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It’s pretty hard to replace rn

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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its because tank trinkets suck dick

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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We were stuck on zul for a bit then just decided to tunnel the boss and cleave the adds. Had pally bop the first dot on tank

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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there arent competitive options

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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@chilly brook And since it scales on haste, should I better run a Rezan rather than Jes Howler ?

plain vapor Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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blockades dropped to 18k on my server

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scooped that up real quick

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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If only we had really great DPS

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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its dirt cheap

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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i mean there's only so much you can do on your own griff

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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@ionic ridge Jes’ is probably better defensively

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When you’re top 5 DPS on Zul 😂

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🙃

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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i think the 2 trinkets i want eventually are a titanforged jes howler and a mythic xalzaix

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I actually quite like the big red button 😦

earnest zinc Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Top 5 on Zul as prot?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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No way is Jes' competitive defensively

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Yes lol @earnest zinc

earnest zinc Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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I thought the people I outdpsed were bad on that fight

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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I mean tbh people should be doing more DPS than you as prot on that fight

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Full time cleave

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@junior igloo mind going further on that please ?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Until the end

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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so weird idea that's kind of related to the passive IP before.... what if IP stayed as is, being active on the GCD, but the absorb was a base ## + X% of damage dealt in the last 10 seconds

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@junior igloo that’s the first I’ve heard that

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Sure, I will write some comparison

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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so 50% of damage, upto like 20k base + 20% of damage dealt in the last 10 sec

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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...so blood shield lite?

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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shields are supposed to be preemptive but that has a component of reactionary

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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more incentive to be active and keep dmg output high, and defensive benefit

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Too good. People would crybaby.

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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kinda contradicts itself

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imo

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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📎 image0.png

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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Seems it would be far weaker ST than multi though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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🤔

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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would be a scaling/balancing nightmare

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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^

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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30k dps in a pack, take no dmg

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versus wet noodle ST, and getting facef*cked

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sounds like a good time

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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although thats why its only a component of the overall shield amount not the entire equation

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so it could be not too bad for balancing

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:46 PM

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Use the same detection for ItF and balancing accordingly would probably introduce too much logic into the situation

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damage dealt per mob, versus flat dmg dealth

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dealt*

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or something.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:47 PM

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I still say the best version they’ve come up with was the beta one with 12 second duration and 12 second CD that drained rage per hit taken

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:47 PM

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id atleast like to test that version

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griffs version that is

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:47 PM

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Omg that one was a nightmare to use, only because it made my screen permanently flash red like I was about to die for w/e reason

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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First time I hear Jes isn’t good

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Same

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Sal said otherwise too yesterday iirc

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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Guys can DBM tell us if its magic or physical dmg incomming?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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I trust Marok’s word though

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@topaz cove not that I know of

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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I always end up using IP and SB at the same time just to be sure

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which is a waste

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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I’d love to hear whats better than +/- 5% dmg reduce and 10% dps boost in trinkets

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Look up the fight ahead of time?

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Groupwide

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Same

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On demand as well

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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yeah, have been doing that so far, and haven't died (more than usual) but would be good to have an addon do the hard work for me

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Used to have Smoldering embers, but they nerfed it

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Hey Kral you wouldn’t happen to know a Krom would you? these names seem awfully similar 😜😂

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Plz no ban

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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put a pun in there, quick

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surefire way to dodge a ban

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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You can go in and change the colors of bars to whatever you want. Have all your magic damage be purple and physical be yellow

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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sorry

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surefire way to dodge a ban

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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@bronze lance still gotta look it up first

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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And then when you see that bar you can hit whichever. But that would be on you to go and change them

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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part of being a tank, knowing the fights

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Krom?

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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unless youre a brewmaster i guess

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Yea but that's a one time thing rather than memorizing every spell

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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No what why?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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@dark junco don’t worry about it, it was a bad joke from earlier

dark junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Kk

weary python Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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With how low we are represented currently, do you guys think it'll be likely that blizz throws us some change sometime between now and 8.1?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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TBF I don’t think it take much memorizing to associate whether something is magical or not

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@weary python I wouldn’t count on it, keep in mind representation does not correlate to how good a spec is or isn’t

weary python Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Is it just likely that we will scale well going forward through the expansion?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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We already scale well

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Yes, but, I also don't think the changes they bring will be welcome changes. Best case, they attack a symptom. Worst case, they don't even do that, but something else that is completely arbitrary like "we've buffed warrior HP" while also nerfing something like DC by giving it a max cap. Why? Because Blizzard has shown, so far, to have a complete misunderstanding of the issues surrounding prot.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Getting and upgrade with a shield shows that at least

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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355 Blockades
328 Stam = ~ 3 % EHP
300 HPS = ~ 2 % healing

370 Bandages
 35 Strength = ~ 0.3 % (from armor and IP)
550 absorb/s = ~ 3.7 % "healing"

370 Veiled Eye
 35 Strength = ~ 0.3 %
570 absorb/s = ~ 3.8 % "healing"

370 Jes' Howler
 35 Strength = ~ 0.3 %
850 Vers = 5 % DR for 12s = 9k damage prevented = 75 per second```

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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That’s a vacuum though

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Jes’ isn’t just about yourself

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Does that take into account Vers' interaction with IP?

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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The vers you give everyone else is a pittance

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All the extra vers goes to you and you alone

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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im definitely going for one of these

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Why

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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It also gives less than 850, it's an estimate

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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It will almost never be up when you need it, since it procs at 40%

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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did they buff that or is it decent on mythic? Cause I know the heroic version of the veiled eye is like a 20k shield...kinda sucks...

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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has a 2m cd

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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They buffed it.

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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if i dip to 40% im in trouble

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😃

cinder nova Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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Still not worth.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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and prevents the same as what.... 2 IPs?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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They buffed all absorb trinks

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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I'd take wrappings over that any day

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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do u ip for 40k right now?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Yes

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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yes?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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I do

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Do you not?

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Rei just get the one from kings rest

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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I dont..I mean 2 IP's puts me up to 40k

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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my ip is 28k

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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im a scrub tho

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Wrappings from KR are far superior to that trinket

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@raven kernel I have a 375. It procs all time while I’m questing and falling off of stuff.

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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The wrap. It's on demand shield and I think 1min 30 sec cs

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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Shorter CD and you can use it when you need it

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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My highest single IP was like 47k

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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scaling is based on vers, so, take that into consideration (on the wrappings)

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Yes, the Bandages and Veiled Eye "only" absorb 50-70k, which doesn't seem great.
But Jes' absorbs less than 10k in a typical situation (and other trinkets giving secondary stat have similar benefit).

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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idk how you get 47k ip in a single cast

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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If you have low vers, it's still better than the trinket you linked. If you have moderate to high vers, it's not even a competition

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I think my max IP is like 35k. But my warrior is 345 or something.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Buffs lul

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I get 23k a pop

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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How much AP is 850 strength?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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850

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Oh

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Lol

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That was ez

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What’s the IP formula again?

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“Formula”

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Even still, lets say it blocks 3IP's worth of damage @raven kernel , It is still a passive trinket that procs at 40% hp, which you will dip to, a lot, and therefore you will almost never have it when you actually need it.

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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It's something like (strength + weaponDPS * constant) * (1 + mastery) * (1 + vers) I think

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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hm

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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if it procced at 30% or lower, it may be better, but right now there is a trinket that exists with an on-use effect, so you can use it when you need it, and prevents a similar amount of damage, on a 25% shorter cd.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Eh well I’m not doing the math then

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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at 368 my IP is roughty 39k iirc

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how the fuck you guys getting 45k IP single casts

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Too complex for my stupid brain

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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If you were going to be targeting a trinket, that would be the one I would go for between the two.

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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39k after two casts that is

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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@astral crystal pot and other buffs on pull

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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memes

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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🙃

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Ravager memes

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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We speak not of that talent

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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What’s your mastery at?

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I’d also say I have some reasonably high mastery

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29% big oof

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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Blockades is likely best defensive trinket, the absorb trinkets (Veiled Eye and Bandages - which is on-use and therefore better imo) are competitive, at high item level comparable to Blockades.

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Nothing else is even close afaik.

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Offensively Fathoms is pretty strong

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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is there a case for both bandages and xalzaix lmao

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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I guess

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But why

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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Not really a case for xal tbh

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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shrug

weary python Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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I guess I should buy a blockades then

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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If there wasn't another similar option that is far better

weary python Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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360 and I use a disc of regression

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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I'm just saying because your statement was that you were targeting it, or soemthing

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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They are cheap now

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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there are far better options to target

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Blockades is super cheap now

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Like 20k ish

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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"I'm definitely going for one of these" I wouldn't waste my time on the worse version of the absorb trinkets is my point.

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 4:06 PM

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well imma confess i want the trinket for arena purposes too

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=X

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Lol

weary python Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Ya my two tanking trinkets right now are a 355 big red button and a 370 Briny barnacle. Basically just stat sticks at this point. I also have a disc of systematic regression at 360.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Ugh. So tired of shrine, and not getting a barnacle for fury. Some day I may break down and buy fathoms, but not today.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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I’m using fathoms and a 370 Syringe with leech on it 🙃

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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BRB I haven't been a fan of in practice. The targeting, I found annoying.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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TBH I don’t seem to see Syringe doing much damage on my details

robust flame Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Yeah, was about to say that trinket feels overrated

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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I should probably look through logs to see if it’s just details

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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i think its more about the stats from syringe

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Good thing I traded my 385 away then 😛

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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the dot from it is really just the window to get the crit

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Well it certainly seems to sim well for Arms @prisma night

stark sage Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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it was bugged in sims, its not that good

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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yea you use it for the crit buff

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not the dot

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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Traded away a 365+sock Vial over the weekend. Figured it was my good deed for September.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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which is why it's awful for us

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I mean it’s still my second best trinket for Arms

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

stark sage Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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doesnt mean it cant be good for you, but the sim had it like 30% ahead of everything

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Back to using fathoms I suppose for prot

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Hard to beat fathoms damage output tbh

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I can't bring myself to drop the insane cost for fathoms right now

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Just sticking with ol trusty Rezan's and Blockades

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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I’m supposed to maintain two specs even though I’m out main tank

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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or swapping rezans for bandages

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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But it helps that I enjoy Arms

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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i was prot on M taloc M mother

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just downed M zekvoz as arms

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@_@

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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See I dislike arms, so rezans and my ticking clock are perfectly fine

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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Even though there’s more chance of hell freezing over than me playing arms during our raids

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Btw, I did some comparison of the Azerite traits today

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Orly

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Deafening Crash is best

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😄

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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BREAKING NEWS

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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WOW NO WAY

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Fake news. 😝

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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IS THERE A LINK I CAN CLICK ON TO LEARN MORE?

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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source?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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WILL I BE S H O C K E D?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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THE BLIZZARD DEVELOPERS HATE HIM

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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obvious troll by meiffert

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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pretends we all didn't bite

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Well I wasn't trolling, just results weren't exactly unexpected 😃

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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Would it be viable to stack 3 of the victory rush traits and then take the tallent?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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No

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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oh no, i was going for the angle of "obvious troll, cuz obviously DC is the worst" kappa

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Oh wait the talent

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Yea the t3 trait

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Still no

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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@junior igloo thnx again for the trinkets comparison 😄

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Absorbs are gone too quickly tbh

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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Ok. Thought it could be nice to have a 30k shield every 3 seconds

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30**

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Or to soak a big hit or something

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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I mean you have a 30k Shield every 40 rage but as you can probably see a 30k shield that only absorbs half of the hit still goes away so quickly

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One of the reasons why tbh I personally think Jes’ is better when not looking at it in a vacuum

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More consistent

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Same reason why SB>IP on blockable damage

calm whale Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Does anyone have a m+ route guide or other similar resource?

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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The method one

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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There’s an add on iirc

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Method Dungeon Guide is pretty handy for that

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Method Dungeon Tools*

calm whale Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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Oh sweet. Thank you all as always.

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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💪

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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@chilly brook
What do you mean by "more consistent" though?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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It’s not just going to hit the absorb cap and be gone, yes there’s a duration limit but it’s not going to be cut short

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:21 PM

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Well, yeah, there isn't a limit.
But in order to prevent 70k damage, you'd have to take 1.5 million damage.

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Which I kinda doubt you can manage in 12s without dying (that's after reductions)

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Sure

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But it’s also not just one dimensional

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It’s not just a DR

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:22 PM

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Yeah, that's true.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:22 PM

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It’s also damage output

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Which is still useful even if it’s a much lower value to your 4 other group members

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Regardless, what trinket you’re using in your second slot probably isn’t going to make or break you as a prot warrior

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If it has strength on it you’re golden

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:25 PM

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Razdunk's Big Red Button ❤

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

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🤢

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chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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Still cheaper than it was

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

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lol I got mine for 17k like during the 2nd week.

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Do you play on EU-Chernobyl

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Prices are going down slowly

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Gold is deflating

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There’s no new gold being pushed into the economy

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

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Lol @topaz cove actually made me send coffee into my nasal passage. Kudos

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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It’s not like WoD or Legion, we don’t get gold for doing nothing anymore

hybrid sundial Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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got a new chest. can choose between "unstable flames" "gutripper" and "strenght in numbers". all feels pretty bad. should I pick Strenght in numbers?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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The 2mil I've made off fishing says you're wrong mate (kidding, gold is nonexistent in game)

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

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Well sure gold is being traded around

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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doing legion WQs for more gold than bfa quests

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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But it’s not being printed so to speak

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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immersion intensifies

topaz cove Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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You guys not doing your mission table? 100g with 80g bonus up atm, only 12 hours as well

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nice

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Especially now that mission tables don’t give tons of gold anymore

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@knotty ermine selling midnight salmon? Or just all the fish?

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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I made the mistake of thinking there would be at least a similar influx of gold into the economy in bfa that there was in the previous expansion (maybe not WoD levels, but hopefully it never gets that bad again)

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dropped a metric shit ton of gold levelling professions out the gate

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cries in anchor weed

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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Anchor weed is the worst

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

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I was, yes. MS and the other fish. On my server fish prices have dropped pretty badly in the last week (30-40g down to 5g each in some cases), but the price of feasts has remained relatively stable, so I've been selling those.

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Fishing is stupid easy to netflix and farm, and the meat for feasts are dirt cheap on the AH.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

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Yea

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

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The good news is, as an enchanter and engineer (dropped alchemy for ench), I have all these sanguicells and hyrdrocores that I'm totally gonna use one day and make my money back

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

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I’ll probably actually start playing the AH game soon

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Trying to actually support myself with consumables for raid with alch and herb but anchorweed makes that a pain

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Right now is a really good time to dump your gold into blizzard balance tbh. Token prices have, essentially, hit their floor, so you can get the best value out of your gold now in that regard.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Plus like wtf is with pots using so many mats

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Token prices go back up when people lose interest in the game and stop buying em over and over

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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And barely giving any

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Like wtf

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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Yeah our guild couldn't support 2 alchemists

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thus why I dropped lol

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Prolonged power gave you a crap ton of pots each time

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Now I’m lucky to get 2 a craft

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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even old war took only 7 weeds total or something

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not 18

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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Because PP were crafting 10 at a time 😃

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You still get 20-25 % more on average I think

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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TBH their crafting team is high if they think this is good

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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my guild has 20 alchemists

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make of that what you will

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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It feels like they fudged the numbers somewhere. As in you should be getting more herbs per node , hence the higher cost to Maje potions etc.

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Accidentally used a flask instead of a str potion the other day

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screams irl

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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time to kys

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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or log out

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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rip flask

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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til the next rai dday

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raid day*

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

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@astral crystal do they have 90 herbalists to support them?

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Lol

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Spend 30 minutes running around for herbs
only get enough to make 10 potions

astral crystal Sep 17, 2018, 4:46 PM

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almost everyone in our raid team is herb/alch

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anchor weed is just

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insulting

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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I understand alch, less flasks needed

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It absolutely is

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Can’t even make one flask with one node

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Flasks shouldn’t take more than one anchor weed tbh

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Either that or buff that spawn

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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yeah one flask is what 4?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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5 iirc

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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jesus

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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With a chance of multiples

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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let's talk about ring enchants

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Haven’t proc’d anything over 1 btw

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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23% haste with no into the fray :FeelsAmazingMan:

rugged plinth Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Friends Laser Matrix or Bloodsport?

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@vagrant cape doesnt that give you more rage than you can spend?

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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yes, usually

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but when shit hits the fan I'm glad I have extra

rugged plinth Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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True

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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10% haste with no ITF

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Ring enchants are alright, what aboot em

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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/flex

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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the 37 stat ones cost 4x crystals

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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just don't be the sucker that pays 4 crystals for 10 more haste

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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yea

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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that recipe is for making me money

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quiet you

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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@rugged plinth I'd go with bloodsport unless laser matrix is giving you 500+ haste with reorigination array

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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it's ridiculous

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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you're ridiculous

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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37 haste isn’t worth it for the price

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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you mean 10

vagrant cape Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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10 extra is def not worth

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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I mean end result is 37

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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definitely not, but to some people it is, so my wallet is currently ok with it

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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but difference is 10

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Yes I know

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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considering the 27 stat one is practically free

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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But I didn’t say a 10 stat difference 🤔

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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the "price" you're referring to is the extra 10 stats

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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In fact I didn’t say anything about a difference

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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you said 37 haste isnt worth the price

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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All I said is 37 isn’t worth

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Because it isn’t

ebon gorge Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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150g to 6k on my server for ring enchant differences

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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You really like arguing semantics

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You know perfectly well what I meant

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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just be accurate

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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I was accurate

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You’re being obtuse

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37 haste isn’t worth the price

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27 haste is

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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37 haste enchant isnt worth the price*

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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What if I told you "37 haste isn't worth the price" and "10 extra haste isn't worth the difference in cost between the two" are both true and accurate statements

exotic spoke Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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I prefer being acute.

That said, I likely won't be putting 37 haste on my rings until I get 370 - 385 versions with proper stats.

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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i'd pay the gold if it gave me 37 additional haste

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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🤦🏻‍♂️

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@knotty ermine like I said he’s being purposely obtuse

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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"37 haste is worth the price" can be true as well if the more expensive one gave 64 haste .

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the "price" is the difference between the enchants

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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He literally said "37 haste isn't worth the price" lets argue about something far more constructive

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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🤦🏻‍♂️

real rover Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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Is there a point on which the passive uldir buff is worth so much, that it is worth taking laser matrix over bloodsport?

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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yes, it's stated in the IV guide

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Like it's not even arguing semantics at this point, it's just pissing and moaning for the sake of pissing and moaning. Both statements are true and both were accurate.

real rover Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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oh, wasn't there when I last looked at it last week

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ty

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huh

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I can't seem to find a number

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they just explain it there

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Due to this design, these Uldir-specific traits start off being rather weak, but as the weeks go by and more secondary stat is added to Reorigination Array Icon Reorigination Array, they will quickly overtake other traits. that's the best I can find

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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the number would vary depending on which trait you're looking to replace

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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75 per boss kill iirc

distant socket Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Hmm, just had Dooms Fury 357 drop for me. Socket with 285 str and use: Increase crit by 1411 which decreases over time. Opinions? I know crit aint great for us right

real rover Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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as said, bloodsport - a rather mediocre trait

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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Up to 10 or something

prisma crane Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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3 boss kills per wk to gain a stack

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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I dont think one person can say 37 haste isnt worth it for the price, i think that an objective opinion, to some it is worth the price, if i have a normal ilvl ring or higher ill always start putting the best enchant on it because i can afford it and to me, every bit of edge i can push is totally worth it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS Sco-sloobbing christ we still on about this?

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Items are only worth what people are willing to pay.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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You’re paying several thousand gold more for 20 extra of a stat it simply isn’t worth it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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If its not worth it to you, cool. If it is, cool. By and large, most people will not find the enchant to be worth the cost.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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20 of a stat is like what 0.2%?

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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It is to me, opinions, not facts

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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What else am I supposed to do with the gold?

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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I can easily afford the 6k per enchant, and its worth it to me

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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As an enchanter, I am more than happy that outliers exist, who are willing to buy these enchants.

bronze lance Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Buy race changes

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10 extra stat to a ring or 5 race changes

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 5:01 PM

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Get a long boi @junior igloo