#protection | Skyhold | Page 2099

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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good god

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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would that matter?

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Neganur you are trying to discuss something which isnt even logical to discuss and getting on everyone's nerves

cinder roost Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Tell lock to use his tp, put down a gate

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Drop the topic for a while

cinder roost Sep 17, 2018, 1:24 AM

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Priest Idk GL 😄

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:25 AM

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@vocal nimbus Getting on everyone's nerves for pointing out that dodge does work?

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:25 AM

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My girl priest did it just fine on a 10 XD

cinder roost Sep 17, 2018, 1:25 AM

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Or they need to go melee between rocket

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:26 AM

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You were told since the beginning (ravager) that your theories are meaningless by people far more respectable, knowledgeable and professional than most people you will ever find

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You are beating around the bush looking for what?

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 1:26 AM

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No one has ever said dodge doesn't work, you misread what levko said and been using it as some argument point for the last 30 minutes

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:26 AM

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And what does ravager have to do with everything else I said?

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 AM

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naeno

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 AM

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professional, ah you all payed players?

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Ravager has something to do because all your "debates" have in common being meaningless

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You were told things with patience and respect

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Misread, he wrote cannot dodge how am I supposed to mindread what he meant

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seriously

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 AM

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Professional is a way a person acts, not their actual job or whether they are paid for it or not

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:28 AM

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And i was talking about the yellow/blue names

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Not me personally

fallow sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Just Drop it or ignore him. I don't trink he'll stop discussing as long as He gets attention

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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What are you trying to prove with your parry/dodge calculations? You were told over and over that those are unreliable stats and shouldnt be taken into account in order to increase survivability

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Does the dodge thing matter at the end of the day

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You'll play prot just the same

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Regardless

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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I mean argueing for the sake of argueing is kind of a waste of time and energy imo

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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I have to make time while waiting in the hospital somehow 🤷

tiny stirrup Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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any advice for mythrax

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:29 AM

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Collect orbs

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Its a good patience training too

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Spell reflect every cast to reduce dmg and collect orbs

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Tell dps to let tanks get orbs first

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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About it, otherwise standerd

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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Stop giving him attention lul

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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^ you can ip and spell reflect every shear

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U should take minimal dmg each time

tiny stirrup Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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ok ty

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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@sick matrix

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3%

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is it 5 at 120?

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 AM

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No

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Why is there no table emoji

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Its 3%

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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no popcorn emoji either

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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What a meme name levko

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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🍿

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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🍿

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Thanks 😄

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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Ambassador 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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tfw actual name is called memename

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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To be fair you are a big meme levko

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 AM

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i know

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I wish the bug had stayed for mythrax and could spell reflect to give HIM annihilation stacks 😛

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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lvl 120

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ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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at least i take that as a compliment

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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probably night elf racial?

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hmm

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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so base is 3%

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then

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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I'm pretty sure I don't have 5 on my war

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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i have 3%

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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3%

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on everyone

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nightelf has dodge

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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dodgetank prot warr

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new meta?

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:32 AM

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what a meme

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dodge warrior

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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Gotta start staggering blocks

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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anyway

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the 3% i took for assumption

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were correct

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 AM

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I do stagger blocks by 1 or 2s if the expected dmg isn't high

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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well, he made me loginto warr

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thats an accomplishment

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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You fockin lost

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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oh yes, night elf racial is 2%, unequipped all gear. Cheers that clears it up

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:34 AM

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thyme

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:35 AM

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Once again #protection brings peace to the city

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Was all that actually bcs of the nelf racial

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:36 AM

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ofc u unequip all gear on a nlf

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 1:36 AM

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Yikes

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:36 AM

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racials are secret and hidden

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you cant see em without addons

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fact

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Let's chill

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MonkaS

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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LMAO

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she stepped on him

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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Push the boss

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No not that boss

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 AM

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so disrespectfully

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Died like a cockroach

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:40 AM

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STEPPED ON HIM

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This is amazing

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:42 AM

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last boss of motherlode, shouild i tajnk him in acorner?

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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That makes avoiding the turret hard, or?

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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dunno

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Center of room, they can run around him to dodge gatling gun

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:43 AM

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Cat, pull once and try to notice the two small copies of him that he summons at the beginning

steel mauve Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Tanking in corner limits your ability to dodge the gun, if they cant dodge it then thats pretty sad

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Those two guys fly around

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And stop at the borders

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They will launch those waves of dodgeable missiles

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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As near to middle as possible so your ranged don't have to run as far

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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In a line in front of them

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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gattling gun does it always start where i have ihm facing

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or is it random

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 AM

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Facing u

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The tank

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:45 AM

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Im amazed how they manage to die to gatling gun and not to the missiles

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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Missiles should never kill

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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😦

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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But they have a dot afterwards

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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I mean the wave of dodgeable stuff

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Not the guided one

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 1:46 AM

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And if they take a tick or 2 of gatling

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They're ded

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 1:47 AM

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If you position the boss poorly you are trapped in the middle of the bombs

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:50 AM

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we just cant do it

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whe nhe phases

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and 2 adds come out

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they are opposite end of the room

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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what about them

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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i cant pickj them both up

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opne kills healer immediately

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before i can taunt both

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causew theyre so fvar apart

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what do i do

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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how do they kill healer immediately

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whats he doing

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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Shield slam the one as he spawns

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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hes gettin hit byt add

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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they channel lazer

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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and leap and taunt

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 AM

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its not melees

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 1:54 AM

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we cant doi this

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:02 AM

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Quick question- I have a fathoms, 345 Rezans, and the 370 strength critical strike on use trinket. Do I keep fathoms and Rezan on?

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:03 AM

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u can do it cat

rustic sundial Sep 17, 2018, 2:03 AM

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Simulate it.

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 2:03 AM

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can't do that

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 AM

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I figure the crit is meh, but it’s a lot strength.

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 AM

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so my old shitty guild on rexxar is doing an 11 motherlode at the same time as us right now

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and they are finding it easy

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only 20 deaths almost at last boss

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if they kill it and we cant .. grr

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 AM

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what're people dying to

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 AM

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gattling gun and mini rocket thingies

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priest and warlock die

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 AM

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tell them to stand closer

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for the minigun

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 AM

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tell them to stop sucking 😄

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 AM

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minigun the boss literally just rotates so it's like kin'garoth in ABT

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100% avoidable

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 AM

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but the little helicopters that shoot stuff at us

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they die to that too

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 AM

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u can see em waaaaaay beforehadn

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 AM

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😭

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we cant even get to p2 lol

mystic trellis Sep 17, 2018, 2:27 AM

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Can healing potions still crit ?

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 2:30 AM

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no

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:35 AM

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we are trying to do it with 4 people

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we got the boss to 7 %

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 2:35 AM

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doin better than we are doin in motherlode 11 with 5 people

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congrats

fringe marten Sep 17, 2018, 2:35 AM

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Did someone just bail, or did you have a disconnect?

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Catfriend I assume you have your mouseover macro for heroic throw? I know it doesn't have the best range in the world but they DID add the "this ability has high threat" back to it. It'll be enough to get a mob looking your way before a DPS hits it, and you can get in range to shield slam / taunt it.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 AM

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@sick sentinel what are u dying to?

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that boss doenst really enrage or anything

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and u can soak the precision shot wit 3 people rotatio

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 AM

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the monk no healing enough 😛

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 AM

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well if healer is bad then its rip

sudden token Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 AM

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As a DPS who is looking to switch over to tanking what level of keys should I be looking at starting? I'm 353 rn and wondering what is a good level to jump into. Did some +2s last night with no bother, do I go +4 next or can I try higher?

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 AM

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depends what youre comfortable wit

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im 362 and farm +10s with no issues

elfin hazel Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 AM

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so, all of those unblockable attacks in the motherlode and other places, is there any benefit at all from casting shield block or should I just keep spamming ignore pain to absorb what I can?

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 AM

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sb increases SS dmg, otherwise youre correct

elfin hazel Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 AM

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right, was just thinking of a pure survivability point of view

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 AM

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It really is amazing all the guilds and groups that have taken popular streamers as law and see Prot Warriors as bad

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I know we are not, but just like it was suggested people jumped right on the coat tails of the popular streamers and unless you can prove without a doubt that you can out perform and survive just as well as the FoTM tanks no one will touch you

mystic trellis Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 AM

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tank or non-tank streamers?

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Pretty much anyone whom is popular that has said that we do not have the survivability or viability of others is what I have found

mystic trellis Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 AM

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Usually its from bad experiences with bad tanks.. Seen some prots never cast IP :/

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Who knows what else they were doing wrong

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 AM

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so...

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I practically Melt on Heroic Zul in phase 2. 2 Stacks pushes me to my limits and 3 stacks I just can't survive without an external. Any advice?

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overall damage from him seemed ok but the bleed is just wrecking me

lapis ruin Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 AM

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If u have a paladin on group, take the third stack, jump away and call for bop... if i'm not wrong, bop dispell the bleed

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 AM

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what my group did was take 4, then die then other tank 4, boss was dead be4 other got to that point

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200 iq

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9TnBPqy1rZCNbXR7#fight=21 got logs for our best attempt at it if it helps

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:16 AM

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Solution is play a different tank LOL jk but yeah I feel your pain my heroic pulls on him shit on me hard past 2 stacks

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 AM

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It's my punishment for switching from bear t his expansion

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but warrior's just fun to play

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 AM

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It is fun to play that is for sure and I love it I just wish we did not lick the floor so much

weak zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:18 AM

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I wish prot felt more fast-paced. I'm still not used to the whole GCD change.

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 AM

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Say it with me take IP off the GCD and maybe DS but who am I kidding like that will ever happen

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IP less then DS but eh w/e

weak zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 3:19 AM

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TAKE IP OFF THE GCD REEEE

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 AM

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honestly our best attempt was 3%...

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i think the pally bubble thing woulda made that a kill

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 AM

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It is a lot weaker but it being weaker does not bother me, what does is having to say do I want to take less damage or deal more damage

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Its by the end of the expansion we will be fine again 😃

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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im fine with the choice between taking less or dealing more

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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but if It's a choice between Holding aggro or Taking less damage, that sucks.

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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our healer gave up and left

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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oh...my..god...That motherlode

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 AM

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😦

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 AM

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Thats a lot of time wasted

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 AM

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lots of gold for repairs, flasks and food too

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and coastal healing potions

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:29 AM

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Well hopefully you get a Azerite piece for your trouble if your one of the many hunting it

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Don't worry my motherlode12 last week was 4 hours

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 AM

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at least you finished 😦

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 AM

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Yours is tyrannical, it's harder

junior ivy Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 AM

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im just frustrated with keys

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i dunno if im the one whos bad or not

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i never know if its my fault we take 4+ hours

tiny sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 AM

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i wouldn't mind wiping and spending a lotta time on dunjeons if the goddamn respawn points in some of them weren't utter anus detrius

waxen cradle Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 AM

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Warriors just bring very little to the group in terms of mob control/utility and dps depending on what comp you have get used to certain things and when you do not supply them as effectively as other tanks things go bad I find

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I mean we have Shockwave and Intimidating shout but those pale in compare to grips for mob placement I find sadly

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I like to use Intimidating Shout as a mass interrupt if I see interrupts getting missed but if that many are getting missed or if the mobs cannot be interrupted your boned anyway

fair brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Alright, my group is stuck on Galvazzt with this tyranical affix.... any tips? We're getting hit with 110k when he releases charges.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 3:47 AM

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Don't let him charge to full?

fair brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 AM

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he gets to full by the time we're at 70%

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Well your group sucks

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Do mechanics

fair brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 AM

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.... so helpful

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 AM

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Truth hurts I guess

fair brook Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 AM

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Jesus dude

tiny sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 3:50 AM

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he gave you a clue- the boss shouldn't be reaching full charge in the first place

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Literally your group sucks if he reaches full charge

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Honest truth

tiny sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 AM

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someone dun goof'd

woeful reef Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 AM

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Voltz make all ranged stand in close to boss, make sure beams get cut asap.

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 AM

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Do the fight mechanics

upbeat folio Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 AM

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Mechanics are the crux of a lot of mythic+ encounters.

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There's just no room for error once you get into the 10 range.

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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is jes howler worth it?

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 AM

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hell yeah

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 AM

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it's like bis

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 AM

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bis with blockade

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what about the trinket from ad

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 AM

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i mean what trinkets do you have right now without it?

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 AM

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haste boost on attack

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i got the ad one its item ilvl 355 jes howler is 350

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was thinking of replacing it

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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ad one?

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rezan's eye?

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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altar one

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yea

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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oh I would use jes and rezan then

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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not blockade

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 AM

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blockades was never worth the money in my eyes especially cus you can farm trinkets

winter skiff Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 AM

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i see

upbeat folio Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 AM

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Blockades is always going to be helpful so long as the item level competes and survivability is a point of concern for you.

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So... pushing content.

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 4:33 AM

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There are better trinkets for survival and DPS though.

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Jes' is a good example of a trinket that will destroy Blockades.

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We don't recommend Blockades because it's good, we mention it because it's the best of a stinking pile of shit that is BfA tanking trinkets.

thin reef Sep 17, 2018, 4:38 AM

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When should I break the Brain Trust 2 piece, I have a 5 ilvl higher shield. The 2 piece increases shield block value by 164.

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 4:40 AM

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I want mythrax trinket

lucid kelp Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 AM

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does the 5 ilevels give you more than 164 block?

thin reef Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 AM

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Gives me 125 more block but with an increase in some stats so it's probably worth it

cedar tide Sep 17, 2018, 5:03 AM

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hey guys is the azerite trait archive of the titans better then iron fortress outside of uldir?

sharp sable Sep 17, 2018, 5:04 AM

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Was thinking about leveling a warrior once i unlock new orcs. Guild says prot warrior is in a terrible spot right now. thoughts?

cloud bone Sep 17, 2018, 5:07 AM

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it's not but go off I guess 😛

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just gotta play good and you'll be fine

sharp sable Sep 17, 2018, 5:08 AM

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i just wanna tank M+'s

reef fulcrum Sep 17, 2018, 5:13 AM

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@fair brook tank him in the stairs, it will be easier to block beams as they will spawn around the boss back

odd ledge Sep 17, 2018, 5:14 AM

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On levels where most are playing, "bad" tanks' strength isn't detrimental. Main issue is community perception, pug life of non-best class m+ tank is miserable.

dull pilot Sep 17, 2018, 5:21 AM

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does http://prntscr.com/kv8g69

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still work in m+

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for skiping trash

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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Is there any good resource to find a good Pawn String right now for Prot?

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 5:23 AM

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@dull pilot no

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@uncut kettle no, don't use pawn for tanks.

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:24 AM

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Ok, I didn't think so. I am trying to find a decent resource to compare gear. Sims aren't for tanks either. I use AskMrRobot, but I don't trust it telling me to keep 320 rings over H Uldir stuff

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 5:25 AM

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Don't use AMR at all, for any class or spec.

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There's a simple rule for Prot. It should be outlined in the icy veins guide.

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Ok, so just follow the stats from Icy-Veins for Prot, and Sim for Arms/Fury?

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 5:26 AM

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Yes.

round scarab Sep 17, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Is prot warrior a hard tank to start tanking with? It feels weird having no heal and/or self sustain and only damage mitigation

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:27 AM

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Ok. Thanks! 1 more question. At which point does iLvl overtake stats? +15-20?

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 5:28 AM

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+10 for Armor, +15 for rings. Sockets add another +10 ilevels.

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@round scarab depends on your skill. It's very tight - you need to think ahead and have mitigation prepared, or you'll die.

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If you're looking for something easier, Bear or BRM is probably an easier baseline to start with.

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Thanks @final mist and @undone sun

round scarab Sep 17, 2018, 5:30 AM

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Alright. It'll be hard to practice because I'm afraid of going into challenging stuff cuz i don't want to wipe the group due to being garbage

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But thanks for the answer

uncut kettle Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 AM

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Duvu, I almost feel like if you can survive off-tanking Fetid as a Prot Warrior, you are doing it right! lol

round scarab Sep 17, 2018, 5:31 AM

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🙏

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thought my nitro had stopped working, but its just the server having external emojis disabled

undone sun Sep 17, 2018, 5:33 AM

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thyme

candid cove Sep 17, 2018, 5:44 AM

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So when I mouse over block's and attack by x % i just make that into under 100 and that's it for same level?

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Like 4965% is actually a 49.65% block against a level 120?

hearty portal Sep 17, 2018, 5:50 AM

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How do you guys handle the first boss in kings rest on +10? Feels impossible to kill all the adds all the time

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Just kite the boss ?

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 5:51 AM

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Kill first wave kite after

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Depends how your snare/stun situation is too

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 6:38 AM

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Was doing Zul heroic, I feel like switching from being a god with SB on to wet cardboard when SB is off. Tanking crushers. Demo is nearly not enough to fill that gaps. And it feels bad to save demo for filling gaps between SB. Surprisingly, Zul debuff was okay, only died once ;D

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Bolster?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 6:39 AM

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Was able to kill him when DK started to get crushers and i was getting hexers/crawgs instead. feelsbad

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ofc i use bolster

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 AM

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Prob better to do non crusher anyway

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Better aoe dps

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 6:40 AM

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last stands heal crits are the only reason i have a will to live

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if you aint taking bolster then you are lost my child

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 6:41 AM

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There is always a moment when bolster on CD and no sb and you getting hit for 50% hp 😭

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Demo shout not reducing enough and it feels bad to sit on it to cover for gap.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 AM

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man wish I had a motherlode 10+. shits a joke.

weary notch Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 AM

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wait until next week

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 6:50 AM

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literally all last boss damage predictable and avoidable.

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all got so far is a +9 kings rest and atal'dazar so far cus DPS cant push numbers. zzz RP server

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theres a shrine +11 but wtf wants to do shrine.

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 6:51 AM

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rogues

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 AM

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run with 2.

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 6:52 AM

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isnt that dagger really good for them?

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i just want to know what the blue/yellow names think of prot warrior atm

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and @undone sun immediately logs

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 6:58 AM

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He isnt on atm

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:02 AM

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Yeah i know, right when i said that he logged, made me laugh

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 7:04 AM

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I'm loving prot.

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Glad I stuck with it despite all the negativity feels good in raid and I am doing M+ just fine.

normal stratus Sep 17, 2018, 7:06 AM

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Popping avatar and stomping large packs never felt so good!

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:07 AM

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yeah avatar was really nice addition for that freedom too

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:10 AM

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I like taking negligible dmg for any big tank busters I have time to set up for

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Zekvoz combo

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Mythrax shear

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 7:10 AM

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prot feels godly. never lost faith in it.

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amazing in mythic+.

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just sturdy af unless retarded necrotics. but thats more a DPS issue than anything.

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:11 AM

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But what if you dont have time to set up tho 🤔

normal stratus Sep 17, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Leap away and pray 👌

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:11 AM

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Shield wall

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:11 AM

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haste pot and drink a redbull

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:12 AM

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Shield wall! ✌

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Seriously tho i dont feel really good in raids. Seem to die more often than my DK cotank. Healers think if they can slack on him, they can slack on me.

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Can I post logs in log review for some good prots to look at?

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 AM

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M+ is just hard to get into. Knowing the routes and pulls when theres not much information that is annoying

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 7:15 AM

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@tight tree if you remind me tomorrow during the day I can. Stuck at work atm so hard to look over everythin on mobile.

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Will do, thanks

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 AM

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@tight tree i think the biggest thing is that dk being almost entirely reactinoary means they can get away with way less input

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 AM

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I'm at work too

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 7:16 AM

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Just @ me tomorrow sometime before like 9pm EST

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Highest I've done was +8 (my key) and was just so uninformed about the correct route

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 AM

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you need to be proactive throughout the entire fight to play at the same level as your dk co-tank

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 AM

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Prevention is better than cure

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🙂

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:17 AM

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I feel like i keep SB into LS decent but when both are off i get chunked and cannot get healed enough in time. Trying to fill that with demo but demo does not feel like enough.

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 AM

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well they're just different designs

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 AM

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Case in point Zul crusher duty

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 AM

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are you rolling in having 2 full SB charges for span

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spawn*

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 AM

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If u don't have enough sb charges

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:18 AM

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the big buzzword is effective SB uptime right

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:19 AM

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Just leave some gaps between

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And block the frontal cone

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It's OK to have short gaps of no sb

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:20 AM

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it's hard not to press buttons when they pop up on cd haha at least it is for me

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it takes a mental override of autopilot

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:20 AM

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I feel it just melee me to death, cone was not an issue.

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:20 AM

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If it let's u have longer overall coverage

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Just call externals if you need a breather to get back some charges

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Or is your crusher dying too slowly?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:21 AM

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most of deaths was when i am already at half HP+raid damage debuff going off+melee hit at the same time kind of situation

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:21 AM

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when you have full shield block uptime

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you mitigate the most damage out of any of the tanks

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:21 AM

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Yeah i call for externals when i can predict bad situation

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I know

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Crusher lives 5-10 seconds after enrage, but that got improved during the fight

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 AM

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do your healers have assignments or is is ffa healing

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:22 AM

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That i dont know

vivid sage Sep 17, 2018, 7:23 AM

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i'd prob like to have SW or external during enrage

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:25 AM

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Sometimes i feel i dont get healed enough but i hate blaming healers, i'd rather look into my errors first. I just feel bad when they openly talking about babysitting me, put soulstone on me everytime. Too used to selfhealing tank , and i feel inadequate. Have to up my game.

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Like i watch other warriors vids and they always bombed with heals, and i sit at 50% for 5-10 seconds pretty often

stable elm Sep 17, 2018, 7:26 AM

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Healing feels different in bfa

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You can't keep tank at top full time

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 AM

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Idk most of my healers are oldies so they know how to heal warriors

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:27 AM

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someone mentioned pull paths earlier, anyone have a site they use specifically?

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nvm checked guides tab

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 AM

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There is good addon for it. Method Dungeon Tools.

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Comes with some preset routes afaik

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 AM

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is that the guild methods addon or something?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:28 AM

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Yes 😉

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Just like exorsus raid tools is russian guild Exorsus addon

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You can have both of them and they will not war with each other lol

sharp lotus Sep 17, 2018, 7:29 AM

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no way then, that addon will steal my info so they can stop me from getting world 7060th m 10 key

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i thought that guild used weak auras for everything

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srs tho ill check out that addon , thank you

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:42 AM

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My guild have list of mandatory raiding addons 😃

runic solar Sep 17, 2018, 7:47 AM

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I'm rocking a 370 shield and a 300 weapon. Can't get a weapon drop for the life of me thyme

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:49 AM

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How can i see external healing required on WCL> Used to be there somwhere but cant find it now ;/

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 7:51 AM

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Its tagged as EHRPS

quiet plume Sep 17, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@runic solar do the first arena quest. It drops a 345 one hand for me.

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 7:54 AM

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@hot locust Thank you

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 8:51 AM

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Theres another decrease on az needed to level your amulet after reset correct?

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@runic solar whhaat there was a wq the other day for a 340 wep from atal.

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 8:53 AM

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it drops 30% every week

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 9:02 AM

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There's a Wq atm for a 325 wep

brave jetty Sep 17, 2018, 9:03 AM

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What's the tl;dr strat on Golden Serpent these days in high keys?

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do people kill hte first wave and kite the boss around the center from then on?

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with adds CC'd?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 9:09 AM

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If you have a mage or druid just kite them all

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Blizzard/mass entanglement ftw

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DPS must know how to place pools in a way that adds dont come from both sides

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 AM

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now thats the real challenge ...

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 AM

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Depends on your dps and how hard you can push too

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 AM

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if you have mage/druid then no reason to not just kite

raven kernel Sep 17, 2018, 9:10 AM

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After the first set spawns, put other pools near the boss

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And keep kiting slowly

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 9:11 AM

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damn that method dungeon tool is amazing

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why didn i know about that

prisma night Sep 17, 2018, 9:12 AM

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Ikr

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 9:13 AM

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1 small mistake in pathing in a mythic and you get flamed for ages "HOW DID YOU NOW KNOW YOU COULD SKIP THAT 1 MOB" christ.

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week 1 was rough

void gulch Sep 17, 2018, 9:17 AM

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anyone know if it's worth using a 365 https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=4777:1482#comments over a 355 with socket? is the proc any good?

Wowhead

Servant Splitter

This blue one-handed axe has an item level of 310. It is looted from Wasting Servant. In the One-Handed Axes category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.

untold adder Sep 17, 2018, 9:18 AM

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i really doubt its worth not having secoundary stats

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 9:23 AM

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Give it a go, no way to really tell otherwise

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If you notice a big boost in dps then worth otherwise ditch it

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 AM

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i had it proc is really bad tbh

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:24 AM

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Got a Tendril @ G'huun #feelsbadman

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 AM

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Personal loot is so bad. We could gear our team so much more effective without

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 9:26 AM

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This is why I wish fury still had 1h playstyle so I could use the other 1h weps I get lol

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Braggha its fucked, I got a 370 taloc 2h last week which is great cos I can roll arms loot and trade future ones off. Get a 375 this week and can't trade it......sigh

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 9:32 AM

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any else still use devastator for easy content just for shits n giggles?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 9:36 AM

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Dunno, i feel that in this expansion, everything is just worse. GCD is worse, class feels worse on all specs, loot system is worse, grinding is worse, professions worse, azerite worse. Only good is art and music, but that is arguably irrelevant.

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Everyone said you get used to GCD, nope. Still feels like shit.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 AM

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i got used it it, barely notice it

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:39 AM

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Some advice though i'm not some guy sayin i've been playing since vanilla but you either adapt to the changes or you just quit because you don't enjoy the game, you know what I mean? Yeah I hate some of that stuff too but I mean, you either adapt to the changes or you just keep complaining and nothing will never change

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it's like comparing warrior now to previous expansions, they all had strengths and weaknesses but for the most part that was a different game, you get used to new shit, you adapt, then you play to have fun. 😃

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But I wouldn't mind a little prot warrior buff if you know what i'm saying 😏

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:43 AM

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How likely are we to get it? 🤔

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Will they base it on what? Population?

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:43 AM

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well I mean

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:44 AM

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Because most of us are enjoying it

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and see our strenghts but also our weaknesses

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:44 AM

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usually they do it if they see that prot warrior is the lowest played tank in pve can't disagree, I mean I like it a lot some other people have different opinions about it

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different opinions as in like, they don't like it lol

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:44 AM

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The major problem is that it affects the whole community

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The community looks at us and says.. " Na, I'll look for something else cause he'll suck "

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I rarely pug, but I've noticed that, and feel for the people that lives puging only

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I've even seen titles of some premade groups : LF Tank DH/DK only

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and now with Method running Brewmaster on the World first race, it's getting to the community too. And BrM got "tons of points"

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This is just how people work I guess.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Yeah for the most part I only play prot in raids when i'm playing with my guild or helping them do normal or heroic on their alts and stuff, dungeons like mythics and M+ I'm arms all the time.

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 9:47 AM

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Yeah i will have to decide can i live with it or not. GCD feels like shit on fury and arms too.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:48 AM

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also there's hope in 8.1 for a change or a buff or something, ion was apparently tlaking about using the patch to have class changes whatever that means

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Yeah I mean I hate the GCD change too but they won't revert to it, I agree with why they did it, it feels like shit but it will make the game better long term "imo"

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Pop avatar, wait second before damage, feels like waste of damage, no way to put it nice.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:49 AM

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Yeah but as prot we have extremely high aoe damage

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:49 AM

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8.1 stream is tomorrow correct?

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:49 AM

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not sure

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 9:50 AM

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i mean

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high aoe dmg isnt that useful in high keys

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for example

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:50 AM

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it was just one example

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there were others but it's really late and I didn't wanna type anything else out lmao

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like we have extremely good survivability tools, we have good mitigation but outsside of them you're toast so you can't suck

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like no IP or shield block and you're gonna get rekt by any boss

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:52 AM

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I tanked as DH the whole Legion and decided to go back to my Prot War (since vanilla) @ BFA. I'm liking it, I really am. And I agree with @knotty apex when we need to adapt.
Per example, my brain is still at Revenge as a Generator instead of a Spender

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and I'm using it too much just to see my rage being dumped to hell and I'm out of rage for AM

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:52 AM

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I had the same problem

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what I did to fix it though was make a WA for when revenge is free

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etc

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if you get what I mean

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max uptime on block and ignore pain and dont be dumb like me and spam revenge while im OT fetid and get 1 shot lol

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:54 AM

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Aye, I recognize the problem, is just a matter of muscle memory that needs to be fixed :p

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:55 AM

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but going from legion to BFA legion warriors were extremely spoiled with everything being off GCD and not having to ( think ) about what to do next, just spam buttons. with the new bfa prot warrior you really have to make sure you don't F up your mitigation otherwise you're toast, and now that they nerfed IP

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BUT

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I'm predicting that overtime vanguard will be extremely generous over the course of the expansion

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" more gear etc etc "

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:56 AM

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You say spoiled but we were no more spoiled than any other class

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:57 AM

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im speaking for prot only

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 9:57 AM

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So essentially we weren't and are only when comparing bfa to legion. Which, you can do with any class

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 9:57 AM

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completely understandable but for the sake of this discord im really only bringing up prot warriors for the sake of keeping this on topic

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 9:59 AM

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Demon Spikes no longer costs pain - This DH change was amazingly strong

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Why should our SB cost 30 rage?

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:00 AM

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Fair enough. Just felt like that's an obvious difference, and not much point in addressing it at this point. Not trying to come off passive aggressive.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:01 AM

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Yeah of course no problem !!! I never take anything like that over the internet this is why we have this forum we discuss things regardless if we agree or disagree. : - )

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:01 AM

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@jade tartan because we are warriors and have to be dealt a warrior play style

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@knotty apex 👌 t21prot

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:01 AM

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t21prot

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yeah the one thing I had to get used to was when I wasnt tanking the boss I had to make sure I would have enough rage to have SB and IP up before I taunted back

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demo is a good tool for the uptime too

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I have tons of suggestions for "possible changes" but it's just all up in the air at this point we are at the mercy of the overlord gurgthock himself

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:04 AM

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Yeah maintaining rage cap and enough rage to spend on SB when you taunt swap can be tricky

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:05 AM

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Yeah I ended up checking my logs with my GM and I stopped revenging so much outside of free revenge so I can have enough rage to ip and sb every time I taunt swap and it's helped out quite a bit

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:07 AM

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SB costing rage is just a tuning thing.
It's not like you ever generate so little rage that you can't cast SB.

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:08 AM

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If blizz entertains suggestions from the community, which would probably be someone like Marok, we probably wouldn't get any improvements tbh. They seem to be fine with how prot wars are. I dont want to put words in @fierce juniper mouth or anything but the feeling I got from him was he would essentially want a utility over anything that actually effects our class being buffed from a tanking perspective.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:10 AM

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I wrote down a couple of suggestions down on paper for potential "changes" they weren't anything other than tuning, I like how warriors are right now in terms of like abilities and stuff like that but some of the values and costs could be changed but like I said it's all just suggestions.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:10 AM

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@fathom marten utility is the reason tanks are picked over others

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dk isnt necessarily tankier than prot

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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Hello guys

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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@ember arrow Levi dont disagree with that.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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but they got grip, self heal and AMS

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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So when it comes to stats.. vers vs mastery

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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mastery

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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^

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I heared vers scales better

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Cant confirm though

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:11 AM

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I would be 100% happy if we could have 100% SB uptime, let cooldowns be cooldowns, and have some m+ utility like dispel or silence.

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:12 AM

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And what about ilvl vs secondry stat

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:12 AM

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@tight tree think about this change , these are all indivicual. Lower the duration of SB but give 3 charges, extend the duration by maybe 1.5 seconds?

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@olive zealot if in doubt always sim yourself to check values but usually haste is better than having ilevel

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:13 AM

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man getting into pugs as a warrior tank is HORRIBLE lol

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:13 AM

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you cant sim prot warriors

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:13 AM

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@ember arrow though the self healing ability dks have, I'd argue; is far more useful as a tank then what this discord gives it credit for

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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@fathom marten oh acherus is often more positive of warr than skyhold :p

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haha

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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Yep would work. or have some ability to proc free shield block, so we can sit on it and fill the gap if needed.

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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Cant find a way to sim tanks.. simc doesnt work for tanks

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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it does

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just not for prot

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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Feelycrafting all the way! 😃

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:14 AM

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and u can only sim dps

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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@ember arrow then there is no way to know if higher ilvl is better than secondery stat

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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There's been maths done.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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it is better than secondaries

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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Yes there is.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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its just not simmable

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what sal and lala said

final mist Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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You wouldn't sim for survival anyways.

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:15 AM

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@ember arrow yeah true, I've said this before but I never can find anyone willing to find a balance. It's either port wars are trash or prot wars are fine and everyone is bad.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:16 AM

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prot warr is good for raids, i think msot agree

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i personally hate the playstyle

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 10:16 AM

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It is not suddenly impossible to find the value of defensive benefits from stats just because we cant use SimC

olive zealot Sep 17, 2018, 10:16 AM

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I do +7 keys in dugeons just fine

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Ilvl 351

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:16 AM

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i played prot all legion ,so the perception for me was irrelevant from the get go

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:17 AM

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this week was also very good for prot

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skittish was kinda deleted once we got avatar up

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:17 AM

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thunderclap baby

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:17 AM

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skittish is not rly noticeable

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since threat goes from 350 to 250%

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isntead of legion where it went from 1000 to 250%

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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i hardly ever noticed it in legion lol

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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I just want my fucking g'huun shield so I can have something bigger than bulwark of azzinoth

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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@ember arrow what do you mean? I never felt prot war reception as bad as it is now. Don't get me wrong, I think prot wars are doing good but I cant blame other people wanting other tanks.

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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very true

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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u didnt paly in NH?

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prot warr in NH was a meme, yet i had no trouble with krosus

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:18 AM

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thats 1 boss tho

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 AM

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or starboi

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only 2 bosses were the reason

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 AM

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Ahh I played at the end of NH tbh

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 AM

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why theyy got memestatus

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 AM

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i honestly didnt play NH prot war lol i took a break thru NH and came back for ToS

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so i wouldn't know why we were memed

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:19 AM

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mostly talking to thrav atm

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 10:20 AM

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magic damage waaaah

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 10:20 AM

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You guys using Quick Navigation, Stalwart or Versat ?

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:20 AM

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i figured as much, but i wanted to throw my pennies in

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quick

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stalwart is more survivability tho i believe

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:20 AM

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i forgot weap enchants exist

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spoiled by runeforging

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quick is the haste stack proc?

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:21 AM

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yea

jade tartan Sep 17, 2018, 10:21 AM

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I've seen top tanks using Versatile Navigation tho.. thats why I was asking 🤔

hot locust Sep 17, 2018, 10:21 AM

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Sorry >__>

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I have vers because i didnt have an enchant for new wep and no haste ones on AH :^)

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That was me there. :P

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:22 AM

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I don't know what you mean by "no problem with Star Augur" when there were zero warrior kills before the second wave of nerfs.
Literally noone managed to kill it tanking on a warrior (there were a couple of 2-tanking kills on warr + monk, which obviously doesn't count when the monk could have just soloed).

knotty apex Sep 17, 2018, 10:22 AM

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I used to use stalwart, switched to quick nav when I got a better wep not looking back

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:24 AM

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@junior igloo i cleared him towards the end

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or middle of tier

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i didnt keep track of raid development with nerfs/buffs like i do now

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:29 AM

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Was going to say

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As far as I'm tracking it took like 2 nerfs and a buff to ip for us to clear that part

teal linden Sep 17, 2018, 10:34 AM

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Think any change for us will happen in 8.1?

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:37 AM

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No, maybe a damage nerf

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Not until next raid tier will we see a change. That's what I'm expecting.

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:41 AM

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just take ip off the global cooldown and we're good...but they won't change that

past ledge Sep 17, 2018, 10:41 AM

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Hey guys, whats the best trinket combo for prots?

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Drakmoon Deck and Jes Howler

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Yeah i expect a damage nerf to thunderclap. Or maybe to DC. Maybe small buff to shield slam? ST damage is not great.

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 10:42 AM

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Would rather have them just buff it a little. The GCD wouldnt hurt so much if it didnt feel like I was just putting some cloth armor on my plate armor

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 AM

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they are obviously not happy with ip, nerfed it twice in beta, removed and replaced it, and finally brought back

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:43 AM

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They just gave up on us.

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:45 AM

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@sick sentinel
Taking IP off the GCD would make basically no difference

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@past ledge
Best for what?

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:47 AM

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Everyone perception is we are squish, it creeps into my guild too. I feel judged for dying more often than DK 😤

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Like it is my fucking fault that i need more external healing.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:48 AM

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you do?

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that would be odd

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unless i missed something

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wouldnt it be ruoghly equal?

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:49 AM

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i needed to offtank fetid hc because the dk couldnt stand it, for me itwas no problem in any way

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:49 AM

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Nah, external healing required is about the same.
But warriors have much lower EHP, so we are much more likely to flop from a short duration burst damage

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:49 AM

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dont dk ahve low ehp?

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i thought warr has high

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i was under the impression from playing dk, that their ehp is low relatively

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:50 AM

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Well it's not monk level 😃

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:50 AM

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relatively

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monk has like 1 mil

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:50 AM

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The way i see it, we are progressing and everyone takes unnessesary damage, so healers have to divide attention a lot. In that clutch situations DK can sustain themselves better, and i will just die. Plus they proc purgatory. Happened a bunch on Zul/Mythrax heroic

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:51 AM

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i myself didnt spec purg once

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i know i know

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:51 AM

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But they have high baseline HP + permanent Bone Shield.
We don't really have anything unless you have a temporary buff up (such as shield block, last stand, shield wall, IP etc.)

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:51 AM

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anecdotes

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waht would warr hp be at 360?

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my dk is at 209k

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why would urg proc on zul/mythrax

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:52 AM

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Looking at straight logs, i take less damage and require less healing, but in practice i am more prone to random deaths if high raid damage is happening

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:52 AM

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notlikethis

next goblet Sep 17, 2018, 10:52 AM

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we mitigate damage like crazy

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:54 AM

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maybe we need another ability to dump our rage into, a heal

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:54 AM

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Would help with 1-shots and quick deaths

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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is warr death often large overkill?

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when i die on dk its like

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6k

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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Don't think so, the overkill values are likely similar.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:55 AM

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usually meleed to death without healing

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i had on hc ghuun

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no healing from healers for 3 melees

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rip

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 AM

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most of my deaths happen in hectic raid situations, like passing a chamber in the mother fight + lasers coming etc. when u have no rage for ip you are basically fked in those situations

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:56 AM

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My n1 reason to die. Meleed when low. Crushers, Mythrax.

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 10:57 AM

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same^

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although i died maybe 3 tiems total so far

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our healers are amazing

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my cotank is a vdh

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@tight tree are u makign sure to collect orbs on mythrax

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esp after transition u get 10 immediately

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 10:59 AM

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Yep, i collect them ofc

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We are mess on mythrax tho, dps take way too much unnessesary orbs

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 11:01 AM

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tanks must be prio #1

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if they start falling behind on orbs its rip

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and ye if dps start taking them away from you

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:05 AM

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You guys disappoint me. Where are your Pacman skills?

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:05 AM

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I didnt have any problems with orbs in mythrax 🤔

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Essence shear already creates a lot

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 11:06 AM

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its mostly in intermission

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with the mindflayers

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:06 AM

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The intermission raid hit also creates a shit ton of orbs

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Then its only 1 essence shear more

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:07 AM

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Good day my fellow warriors,
A random thought hit me this morning, we know that vers and mastery are very close together with vers beeing slightly better.
But as we progress in ilvl and get a better shield the chance of critical block that mastery gives us will be less and less impactfull aswell as getting more haste will increase our shield block uptime.
I doubt we get to the point of diching mastery but could it possibly become worse than crit?

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Am i missing something?

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:08 AM

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I dont think so because even with DR the EHP scaling is linear

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Meiffert is the numbers guy tho

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:12 AM

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I don't know why mastery should become worse with better shield, if anything I'd say it becomes better. Are you thinking about after reaching the 85 % the block cap?
Anyway, what actually happens is that they will adjust the K value for later tiers to compensate for higher gear, so it shouldn't change much, at least in raids

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:12 AM

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Ye i was thinking about the 85% cap

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Why would you say it becomes better?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:14 AM

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Because crit blocking 80 % damage is better than crit blocking 60 % damage, so the better the shield, the more you gain from block chance.

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:15 AM

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I remember you talking about a similar thing but with armor

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Wouldnt the same apply to this situation?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:15 AM

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The K values already scale now: Base: 6300 M/M+: 7100.1 Uldir-normal: 7736.4 Uldir-heroc: 8467.2 Uldir-mythic: 9311.4to prevent capping armor/block value etc. (unless you have mythic level shield in normal raid for example)

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:17 AM

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So a shield that gives u 42,5% block does not hit 85% when it critically blocks?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:18 AM

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It would, but I don't think there are shields that give 42.5+ block value against mythic Uldir bosses

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Let me check

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:19 AM

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M+ k value doesnt scale with keystone difficulty?

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:20 AM

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That would be interesting to know also since i'm not mythic raiding this exp

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:25 AM

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So the highest possible shield (item level 395) has 2182.57 armor, which is 5456.4 block. In m+ you get 5456.4 / (5456.4 + 7100.1) = 43.45 % (which is barely above the cap on a crit block). Against a heroic raid boss you get 5456.4 / (5456.4 + 8467.2) = 39.19 % Against a mythic raid boss you get 5456.4 / (5456.4 + 9311.4) = 36.95 %

magic escarp Sep 17, 2018, 11:26 AM

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Does the deafning crash trait, increase it's dmg with 3 traits or same as 1

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Damage stacks ye the 2 second duration on DS does not

magic escarp Sep 17, 2018, 11:27 AM

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Oki, is it worth stacking or go for defensive option, I dont find any prot azerite stacking on bloodmallet

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:29 AM

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Find more usefull getting the effects of other azerite traits instead

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Like brace for impact

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:32 AM

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The optimal defensive setup is 1x DC and 2x Brace for impact

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Bloodmallet doesnt have azerite/trinkets for protection warriors because those are simulations done with SimC

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SimC isn't working currently for protection warriors

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@junior igloo is there any scaling between m+ difficulties?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:34 AM

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Not that I know of, but those numbers are from Macro

tawny lantern Sep 17, 2018, 11:43 AM

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@vocal nimbus inst it better something with reorigination array? (Or whatever is called,)

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 11:44 AM

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Reorigination bonus isnt that strong right now

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In a couple of weeks, sure

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And that would be only for uldir

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Outside the raid reorigination array doesnt activate

gentle hill Sep 17, 2018, 11:50 AM

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Maybe this question is silly or in the wrong place, but anyone know where i can find some discussion about the optimal Prot setup for max damage (secondaries, trinkets, Azerite) ? I don't main a warrior anymore, but it is my 'main alt,' and i'm not really hardcore raiding.

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:52 AM

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If ur purely looking for offensive

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That's probably something that could be simulated

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 11:53 AM

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Simcraft doesn't have a working prot module atm

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 11:53 AM

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prot war doesn't have any sims

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:53 AM

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Oh

gentle hill Sep 17, 2018, 11:53 AM

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yeah, simc seems inaccurate for Prot at moment

surreal maple Sep 17, 2018, 11:53 AM

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Ma bad

small belfry Sep 17, 2018, 11:54 AM

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if u were to run purely prot/dps gear ill go with defening crash i nteh azerite power ut more importantly ill use dps trinkets like phatoms and gleaming eye and gear haste/crit mostly, at least imo 😃

gentle hill Sep 17, 2018, 11:56 AM

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i mean, this is mostly what i figured, but i wanted to min/max it like i do on my rogue . It may be strange, but part of the fun for me is simming after every drop and figuring the next incremental upgrade to look for 😄

restive galleon Sep 17, 2018, 12:06 PM

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hey all, i am going to do some middle keys 5 - 10 in m+ and tanking some hm raids, is prot war ok for this or i should play my Vengeance DH ? i know few streamers said that prot war is under other tanks but for middle content its not really accurate right ?

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:06 PM

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correct

calm sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 12:07 PM

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Ring: 355 w/ 260haste+119 crit vs 365 w/ 142haste+256vers ?

restive galleon Sep 17, 2018, 12:07 PM

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i rerolled dh but i miss my dwarf xD

calm sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 12:07 PM

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more stats better than better stats? 😮

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:07 PM

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id argue dk is better for m+

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but theyre both good

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@calm sentinel id equip the 365 one

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 12:08 PM

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More stats are generally better.
Moreover your second ring has arguably better stats as well

calm sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 12:09 PM

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makes sense.

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another one 😮

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vs

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I tend towards the later one

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:11 PM

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if u socket it

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and enchant

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id do too

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 12:14 PM

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Guys for trinkets I have: blockades, Rezan 355 and jes howler 345 + socket, what should I be running ?

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:14 PM

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rezan + howler

calm sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 12:15 PM

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thanks @ember arrow

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 12:15 PM

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Thought so too, thnx @ember arrow

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:17 PM

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Np

slow gull Sep 17, 2018, 12:27 PM

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how much haste is too much haste i got like 1.4k

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 12:27 PM

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no stat caps at all

slow gull Sep 17, 2018, 12:27 PM

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so you always just stack haste then vers second

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 12:28 PM

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Guys, I'm having a dilemma

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 12:29 PM

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ilvl first then haste

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 12:29 PM

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changed my shoulders from 355 DC to 370 BFI

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so now I have 3 BFI and no dc

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I feel naked

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 12:30 PM

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dc is worth around ~25 ilvl

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It's up to you if you want to keep it or not

ionic ridge Sep 17, 2018, 12:31 PM

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Demo uptime went from ~70% to 35%-40%

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Wondering if it's worth it

velvet ermine Sep 17, 2018, 12:32 PM

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BiS trinkets?

sick sentinel Sep 17, 2018, 12:34 PM

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Blockades, rezans gleaming eye and jes howler

velvet ermine Sep 17, 2018, 12:36 PM

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As expected, just wanted to make sure

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Too many places that say other shit

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 12:37 PM

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this is the best shit place

velvet ermine Sep 17, 2018, 12:37 PM

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mhm, Icy-Veins seems to be most accurate atm

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and this place

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 12:37 PM

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icy is the same as this place

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the guide is written by the owner of this discord

velvet ermine Sep 17, 2018, 12:38 PM

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well, how bout dat

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:40 PM

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How is armor damage reduction calculated again ?

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I cant find that

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 12:41 PM

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just ask @junior igloo

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 12:43 PM

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@fathom marten
It's just armor / (armor + K) K values Base: 6300 M/M+: 7100.1 Uldir-normal: 7736.4 Uldir-heroc: 8467.2 Uldir-mythic: 9311.4

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:45 PM

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K is a modifier based on difficulty of content ?

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 12:45 PM

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yeah

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:45 PM

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Interesting

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 12:47 PM

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w@junior igloo With that best shield you mentioned, it seems in m/m+ you'll always exceed crit block 85% if you wear any piece with the BFI or IF trait. Still good for non-crit block of course. Interesting, perhaps one BFI can be swapped to something else useful

spice musk Sep 17, 2018, 12:48 PM

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wowhead says BFI Strongest Trait and icy says DC strongest trait im just confused 😄

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 12:49 PM

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The IV guide is better than the Wowhead one

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:50 PM

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Wtf, why doesnt armory show armor stat

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That's annoying

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Want to do some math

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Not sure how much armor to base it off of

limber perch Sep 17, 2018, 12:52 PM

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👌

📎 z2xsjie2wqm11.png

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:52 PM

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What?

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:53 PM

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How much armor does an average 350 prot war have?

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I cant log on to see mine

fallow tusk Sep 17, 2018, 12:53 PM

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prot war representation in m+ would be more interesting

limber perch Sep 17, 2018, 12:54 PM

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im guessing its about the same

vocal nimbus Sep 17, 2018, 12:54 PM

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@fathom marten i have 7k at 345

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:54 PM

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Perfect thank you

limber perch Sep 17, 2018, 12:55 PM

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im ~500 of prot warriors and ~10k out of all tanks

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 12:57 PM

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Yes thats what that graph shows

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But youre leading to a point?

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:58 PM

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So @junior igloo 7000/(7000+7100) = .4964

limber perch Sep 17, 2018, 12:58 PM

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its sad is all

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 12:58 PM

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50% dr ? @junior igloo

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Rounding up

junior igloo Sep 17, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Yeah, should be right

royal oasis Sep 17, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Is a 340 howler still better than a 380 big red button? M+ chest screwed me last week ._.

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 1:00 PM

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Ty brother

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 1:02 PM

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top 20 tanks on my serv are 9DK, 3 palies, 3 monks 2 Wars, 2 DH and a druid

fathom marten Sep 17, 2018, 1:02 PM

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@vocal nimbus what's your strength ?

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:08 PM

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why me....

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grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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oh boo hoo i got a 370 str stick

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Fitting name

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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DONT YOU MAKE FUN

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Glad to see we havent changed in the two days I've been gone

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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😄

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Wb

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 1:10 PM

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Ty

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Were u gone? wadner

primal crypt Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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😄

formal forge Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Hello, prot friends

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I come from the land of deebs

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Yo

formal forge Sep 17, 2018, 1:11 PM

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Is prot warrior still frowned upon or is it worth getting into

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 1:12 PM

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Both

manic perch Sep 17, 2018, 1:13 PM

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well if you Q as 370 tank and DK Q's as 350 they will take the DK

formal forge Sep 17, 2018, 1:13 PM

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Ok. Thank you for your time this morning, gentlemen. Have a good day.

grim prism Sep 17, 2018, 1:13 PM

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👋

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Well that was quick and easy

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 1:15 PM

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New DK incoming 😉

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Well tbh, i am thinking of leveling mine for m+

strong hill Sep 17, 2018, 1:15 PM

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Nah , going brewmaster no doubt

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 1:16 PM

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I already have brewmaster alt @346 ilevel

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😉

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inb4 guild ask me to reroll for mythic prog

limber perch Sep 17, 2018, 1:16 PM

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dey took our m+ slot

manic perch Sep 17, 2018, 1:17 PM

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have a 346 DK doing m+ with her mostly, just easier when others make shit to recover

tawny lantern Sep 17, 2018, 1:22 PM

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Yeah i have a bdk too at 350 and my war at 362, for now im raiding with my war but dk seems so much easier

manic perch Sep 17, 2018, 1:23 PM

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yeah makes me sad, guildies have hinted at me bringing dk instead but dont want to forsake my warrior 😢

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:26 PM

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Prove them wrong 😠

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 1:26 PM

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yeah, so I tanked a 7 underrot on my 345 BrM with 0 deaths and not even a scare... the same can not be said for last week's 7 on my warr. I know this week is easier, but still.

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I still prefer warr playstyle and it's doable, just more challenging

amber siren Sep 17, 2018, 1:27 PM

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If you're struggling on a 7, that's not the class

manic perch Sep 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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yeah last week was donkey balls for warriors in m+ really hated it

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 1:28 PM

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I didn't say I was struggling - I said BrM is easier

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and necrotic is horrible.

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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This week is completely different from last week

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Like leagues easier

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I wouldn’t do a comparison between last week and this week

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 1:30 PM

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Yeah I know, I haven't done anything on my warr yet this week b/c I was in NYC and then went into a pure leather group with friends last nght when i got home

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I imagine I'll get a 10 done on both this week

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easier comparison then

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 PM

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This week is easy outside of a few outliers like KR berserkers which really are best kited period

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Regardless of week

frosty wedge Sep 17, 2018, 1:31 PM

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yeah that doot is stupid

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dot*

merry cave Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Underrot was the shock this week, didn't expect it to be as rough as it is

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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Still need to get a 10 done this week

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Everytime I run with the guild the key ends up getting ripped

cinder pasture Sep 17, 2018, 1:33 PM

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For once we had an abundance of tanks in our guild this week, so I haven't gotten the chance to tank a m+ yet 😄

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:34 PM

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But getting into a +10 as a prot warrior if it’s not your key is an exercise in patience

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 1:36 PM

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i'm an ilvl 345 and was told no for a +4 because prot warriors are squishy lol

cinder bridge Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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well

fleet ridge Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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I'm 340, and queued for a mythic 0, and got denied because "prot warrior", but i just laugh, most groups i've been in healers say it's not as bad as they expected.

cinder bridge Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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it actually takes 10% of a brain to play prot now

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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I mean I healed a dungeon on my pally and had a prot warrior who didn’t use Shield Block once

cinder bridge Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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have healed prot warrs who didn't know how to play on my pala and it was miserable

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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Soooooo

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^

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 1:37 PM

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oh I get it, it just made me laugh

cinder bridge Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 PM

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yr

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ye

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 1:38 PM

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ive also noticed an influx of heals who dps first and spot heal, which has made for some really horrible runs.

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 1:39 PM

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At some point, i just getting tired of micromanaging stupid SB uptime and weave LS and demo in, so i jump on my monk and suddenly I can focus on mechanics instead and do ton of fun stuff like ring of peace, dave, i can cc with sap, offheal and dispel poisons.

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But then i start to miss wild AOE DPS with avatar 😉

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:40 PM

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I mean if you get used to the rotationary stuff for prot you don’t focus on that stuff at all

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And not gonna lie it’s great spell reflecting a boss in m+ to do an extra 50k damage to it

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:42 PM

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having to stop aoe-ing to keep aggro during 3+ stacks of bursting is awful 😦

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:43 PM

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Meh just keep going 😂

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Had a few healers deal with 10+ stacks 😜

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With no deaths

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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whoa

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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Granted us getting that high wasn’t my fault

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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hell yeah ima keep thunderclapping

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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But still had a healer heal through 12 stacks

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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just rally after the stacks 😄

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:44 PM

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^ helps

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:45 PM

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did a 10 yesterday, was alright but it really depends on what dungeon you get.

signal plover Sep 17, 2018, 1:47 PM

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Did a 10 UR in time last night without any issues so /shrug

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Being dark iron helps a lot with the ticks

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:49 PM

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I’m sure being dark iron is great as a tank with a lot of these mechanics in game rn

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:49 PM

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we did shrine of the storms, we derped on a few trash pulls, but other than that it was alright, we just had to rotate interupts+stuns+fears whatever

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:49 PM

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Does it work with the bleed from Zul? @signal plover

tight tree Sep 17, 2018, 1:50 PM

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Can also BoP Zul's. Do it in the middle of the raid to not waste precious padding time 👌

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:51 PM

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Lol

signal plover Sep 17, 2018, 1:54 PM

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@chilly brook don't think so. I think I tried during prog

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There's a few debuffs that are just hardset environment dots

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Well that’s slightly more comforting

signal plover Sep 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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And I think that's one. Most raid boss mechanics are

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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At least I don’t feel completely slighted by blizz

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For being horde

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:55 PM

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Motherlode 10 last night, well ahead of the timer. People bitching the whole time in the run that I was taking the "wrong" path (spoiler: I wasn't, we hit 100% on the last mob before the boss AND were in line for a 2-chest). Group proceeds to shit their collective pants on final boss, we miss both timers after a few wipes, and the dps in the group actually leave. The dps btw, that were dying to his minigun and/or not running to rocket/trashcans for his stomp.

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How is it on the easiest week thus far, I am having the most difficulty getting a solid +10 group :/

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Feels oof man

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Because most people are stupid and don’t have a gear crutch to work with for +10

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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I pull literally all trash after 2nd boss

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Then death run to last

signal plover Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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You're pugging before ppl over gear the content

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:56 PM

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^

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I mean people still struggled with a +15 at the end of legion and out geared the drops by a lot

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Most people don’t out gear even a +8 drop

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Nice @ember arrow , Only time I've employed death run so far is in Shrine, before the bridge and up to the second to last boss. Works like a charm there

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:57 PM

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Currently

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Yeah I get that, just annoying I guess that this week has felt so great, at least for prot warrs, and ofc it's the week I am getting nothing but garbage from LFG

marble pelican Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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I left a +3 the other night, I know +10>+3 lol. it was temple? idk the one with the 2 guys at the beginning with the lightning shield. well I was switching but DPS wasn't....and kept dying 15 mins into the key I just left...I don't have time for stupidity

sick matrix Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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@wintry ermine Does Rally not scale the bursting damage upwards too?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:58 PM

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Because it’s the desperate garbage groups that’ll take you lol

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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KR 6, should have been ezpz. Had an optimal group setup and everything, and my key was nuked before we even killed the first boss (because we couldn't even kill the first boss)

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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Sorry to say it but the pug life as a prot warrior is tough

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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yeah i thought bursting does more damage according to max hp

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🤔

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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It does

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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but rally still works for u guys?

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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It’s extra cushion

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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Yes because it prevents death

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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It can still work as a bandaid. Like, a 1 GCD bandaid.

wintry ermine Sep 17, 2018, 1:59 PM

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it has definately helped

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Overall you take more damage, but can save your ass in a pinch.

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 PM

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thanks for the tip

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Not to mention if the damage scales up for temporary health any temporary health that was burned is basically null damage

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 PM

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i'll do anything to keep thunderclapping nonstop

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:00 PM

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Not entirely accurate, depends on how many ticks you have left

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speaking last stand, not rally there

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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Well keep in mind last stand isn’t just a health buffer

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It is also a heal

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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also heals ya

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:01 PM

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One of the only ways I can ever look “good” on the healing 😜

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:02 PM

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Lolol

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:02 PM

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“But prot warrior doesn’t have self sustain”
“Think again big boi”

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:02 PM

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"Why'd you pull that nonelite"

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"Don't worry bout it"

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😉

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:03 PM

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Lol

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TBH crackling thunder is kinda nice this week

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Kind of funny/sad (depending on your personality) to think about the tools that other specs within our class have, and how amazing they would be in the prot toolkit as well

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Ez kite without worrying about aggro

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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i dont like it when pugs stop pressing buttons to ask "why" in the middle of fighting a pack that was slightly off to the side

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Enraged regen, blizz plz

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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To an earlier conversation, I don't have any problems getting into pugs, however I'm 367 and 913 rio score

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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the answer is always because the pack gets pulled at some point by accident in pugs

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let me do my job >:U

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Just try to pug as little as possible and get that ilvl and rio score up ASAP

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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the PUG healer I play with usually never mention anything about war taking too much damage.
The premade healers I play with usually eat while I do big pulls

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Pulling a bunch of stuff early on in a dungeon "y u pull all this, skip"

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"oh, so you'd rather pull the harder stuff later on that we can skip, that gives the same %"

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"got it"

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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i wish i didnt have to pug so much but there are a lot of tanks in my guild already, feelsbad 😦

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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"I like when you tank I can actually regen mana without losing time between pulls"

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Funny issue in A'D the other night though

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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@old zephyr pretty much all my guild healers sit there and say “I literally didn’t even have to heal you that boss fight”

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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damn

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:05 PM

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Bursting stacks weren't showing in my UI for some reason

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Didn't know until the healer, a RL friend says "DUDE holy shit can you slow tf down please"

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"wot"

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Some trash is tougher than others though

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Fighting 3rd boss in motherlode as prot warri...

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Fun times

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Can't block anything

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Lol

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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the lil goblin with the azerite hose?

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Yea

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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spellreflect it

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Appaaaaaaarently we went from Vokal to the priestess without ever dropping below 5 stacks

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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Dude just spell reflect every attack and spam ip

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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I mean it can’t be worse than Shadow of Zul 😜

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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but hey, baller monk heals I guess 😉

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:06 PM

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she spends like half the fight shooting azerite and not attacking u though lol

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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It's almost same as zul

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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went all the way up to 11, rofl

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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shadow of zul IS not that bad on a protwar

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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You wut

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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I need 20k HPs spot healing

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On +10

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Yes it's hard

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Shadow of Zul sucks

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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20k hps is normal

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Spoiler alert

ember arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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For healer

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Still annoying

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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Have the DK that you should have had in group anyway tank it

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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I only ever did +6 there but I spam IP and CDs and take nothing

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:07 PM

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or the rogue

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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+6 is like last week

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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+6

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🤦🏻‍♂️

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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+9 is ez even, +10 is where zul starts to become interesting

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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People were literally saving lust for Zul in KR my guy

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Sounds accurate

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:08 PM

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Last week

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Last week it was bad, but this week, meh

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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This week is giga ez, just need non shitter dps on bosses

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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I mean you’ve only done a +6

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Last week we lusted the packs befor Volkall as well in AD

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Do it on a 8 or 9 or 10

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Zul sucks

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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Ad is a joke through and through

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:09 PM

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I will, as soon as I get a key 😃

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Bring CC for the packs before Vokal and they are stupidly easy btw. CC the big guys, burn the priest(s) first, then the melee dudesons, then kill totems and the big guys

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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If you don't +2 a 9 atal you're doing something wrong

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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I haven’t even gotten an Atal this week

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Heard the last boss sucks though

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Also clear the whole hall leading to Vokal and just kite the big guy from each pull. You never take their stupid bleed, and have miles of open space to never have poison on grp

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:10 PM

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Last boss is anoying but rest is easy

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Last boss in AD is fcking aids if your group can't dodge spiders, since they one shot.

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Eh

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She's ez tbh

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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Source: 2.5 hours into working on a 12 key before finally giving up

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reread my statement

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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I mean lots of things should be ez

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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She is easy

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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But aren’t because people are dumb

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:11 PM

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like almost, well, everything in m+

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depends entirely on your groups derp factor

strong forum Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Like I said, only need non shitter dps

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Ye

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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For some reason awareness is a rare trait

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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^

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Oh wait I know why

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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60 wipes in TD last boss, because you know... canons are hard to dodge

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:12 PM

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Because people don’t take the time to set their UI up properly

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Killing last boss in TD and not using cheese

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butwhy.gif

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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we did use cheese

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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cannons haven't existed on that boss for me since week one

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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but they couldn't position themselves properly and still got blown up

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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then how are people eating or even needing to dodge them

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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Especially people who have played since vanilla and are like “I’ve raided since vanilla I don’t need anything other than default UI”

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:13 PM

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sounds like your cheese is an impostor

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a kraft american slice, if you will

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:14 PM

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Kraft 🤢

old zephyr Sep 17, 2018, 2:14 PM

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They were just the usuall PUG deeps

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lots of pride, average damage and shit strats

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:15 PM

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Jes in TD is actually aids this week because people don’t know how to deal with him after first phase

digital arrow Sep 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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i wish blizzard ui was good enough so i never had to mess with addons

chilly brook Sep 17, 2018, 2:16 PM

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I mean shouldn’t that be the beauty of having addons?

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Anything they do someone in the community will likely produce a better version

knotty ermine Sep 17, 2018, 2:17 PM

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Yeah, you don't want to go the D3 route where you're just stuck with what they think is good enough.