protection

[ionic ridge]

From kicks to CC, and ofc, Mitigation uptime

[solid mist]

for me it was great for mitigation uptime, and the log analyizers you can filter it and see like "ok how many of X did I let through unmitigated"

you can really drill down

[ionic ridge]

😮

[solid mist]

it's a bit overwhelming at first. people on here helped me navigate the interface and actually use it

[ionic ridge]

Any doc I can use to know all the metrics usable ?

[obsidian siren]

You mean a doc listing all available analysis tools?

Or all the parameters you should be checking

[fresh dragon]

ok question: how many weapons/shield did u see in AD???

i've done 10 AD runs 8/9 and nothing.. back and rings

[ionic ridge]

by doc I mean documentation

[astral crystal]

i did about 10 runs, just got a 370 shield yesterday from a 10

[steel mauve]

I got the qeapon from the AD wq, does that count?

Weapon*

[astral crystal]

weapons and shields are such ass to get

[solid mist]

@ionic ridge I'd say just log a run or 2 and upload it and start playing with it.warcraftlogs.com tools are really easy to use, just need to poke at it a bit

there are some random youtube vids and things youc an find of people sort of showing how to use it

but if you've ever used any sort of reporting tool for school/work it should be familiar

[steel mauve]

I learnt how to read logs just by doing it

Just nosing around through logs and eventually it kind of just clicked for me on what to look for

[ionic ridge]

Alright thnx again

[solid mist]

go to the damage taken tab, click your name to filter, and right at the top should be "melee" and it'll show you right there what % you blocked/mitigated. that's a pretty good first step 😄

then from there start playing with the filters and stuff

[ionic ridge]

♥

[solid mist]

welcome to mathcraft

[ionic ridge]

For the first time I'm enjoying PVE

And I never truly tried to look for external ressources

[cinder bridge]

so do we like gemhide or impassive visage more?

[ionic ridge]

Except for wowhead and my spreadsheets

[obsidian siren]

You can prolly read this page (if you haven't already) : https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-common-worst-mistakes

i prefer gemhide

[ionic ridge]

@obsidian siren Thnx, but I already went through it. The only part that bothered me was " However, it is very important to know when to pool your Rage so you guarantee you have an Ignore Pain up for a mechanic. "

That kind of stuff that goes more with experience than on pure knowledge

What would you advise on that ?

100% uptime on IP or better off holding onto it

[steel mauve]

You wont get near 100% uptime

Shield block should be up as much as possible, using bolster in your gaps to let shield block regen, and then ip just to smooth out damage or to hell with a large hit, fetid being the case with thrash

Shield block is your main active mit, if you are tanking, and the boss isnt cast some thing to waste uptime use it and keep it up, ip just in contjunction to smooth the damage intake

[fathom marten]

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mmo-champion.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2430361&share_tid=2430361&share_fid=1069082&share_type=t

I want to pick that apart so bad but I'm starting to exhausted arguing over it

[ember arrow]

why doyou argue against a random thread

[solid mist]

this is the internet... what else is there to do!

[open bluff]

the internet is for porn

so there's that

[solid mist]

I truly believe these people get off on complaining about prot war

so... kinda porn?

[sick sentinel]

So in your opinion prot war is in a good Place compared to other tanks?

[fathom marten]

@ember arrow If you've been reading the war forums at all this isn't just some random thread. It's parroting bad information and maybe it's okay for you to let people do this, it is not for me.

[steel mauve]

we're not as much of in a bad place compared to what every one thinks

we are actually really strong if you know how to play, but if you dont, you're just going to have a really really bad time, compared to being bad at a monk

[fathom marten]

Seek out arguement and disputation for it's own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence.

😎

[solid mist]

people will respond to you in 1 of 2 ways "wow you are taking like no damage wtf" "wow you are just like paper wtf"

[hexed drum]

But we are still trash-talked by all ...

Which infuriates me

[steel mauve]

they're sheep mimicking what they hear with little to no information

[sick sentinel]

The shamans of the tanking community

[fathom marten]

Lmao wow

[graceful mason]

to be fair this channel also mimics what is said here with little to no information

[solid mist]

my 2 buddies play shaman. resto and enhance

[graceful mason]

its just the internet

[solid mist]

so when we make M+'s it's prot war and shaman healer and shaman melee dps

😛

[hexed drum]

@graceful mason also true

[graceful mason]

I honestly enjoy prot more now than I did a few weeks ago

as I learn to play it better

So im happy :>

[hexed drum]

Same

[graceful mason]

Healer I normally run with whispered me yesterday and told me that I take a shitload less dps now than I did the past

as I l2p

[solid mist]

for me it's class feel/look. I like the idea of someone in plate witha shield just wading in to shit. I like that in legion they gave us some "magic" with viking shit. Great way to give some utility/new spells w/o going down the paladin route

[solid mist]

wish they'd do more with it. give us some like... "blessing of the valkyrie" or something for some like temporary magic resist

[graceful mason]

What we need is a talentable cd that amps up ignore pain instead of indom giving us 10% hp

Pick between bolster Phys mitigation or a more general IP cd

Pretty hard to make any talent viable on the same teir I'd it doesn't interact with AM

If it^

[solid mist]

bolster is just SO good

[sick sentinel]

Is prot warrior good with a rotation addon ?

[final mist]

There's no set rotation, we follow a priority system for our abilities.

[sick sentinel]

Right rotation addon based on simc actionlist which have priorities

Like heikili or hero rot

That good with prot?

I parse purple with brm rot addon

That’s why I ask

[cerulean bone]

i need help with zul transition in phase 2 heroic

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jvfNKGx1n8CPk6Hg/#fight=2&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aHJmxTCbr9tLAw1n#fight=6
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FJYk2TQmCX8P6MRp/#fight=1&type=damage-done

any tips?

[brave oar]

hey guys just got the chest piece from lions roar, should I go for Collective Will or Reinforced Plating?

[fathom marten]

Wtf

I have 340 Rezans and 345 vial

[brave oar]

nice

[fathom marten]

But crit

Why can't it be haste 😦

[calm sentinel]

I wonder how it compares to blockades or 355 howler 🤔

[fathom marten]

Should i just replace my 345 animated blood to stack the strength with razans?

[mellow bridge]

crit isnt too bad

that trinket sounds pretty good

[fathom marten]

Not really sure what trink to replace it with

Going to see how often rezan procs

Procced once in a 3:25 sec fight with fetid. Only 7% uptime

9:30 sec fight with Zek 23% uptime , 10 procs

Doing the math its so close to eachother between hitting blood trinket every time its up and the procs for rezan

The longer the fight Rezan shines really good

[summer sequoia]

370 doom's fury or 345 jes howler?

[untold adder]

id say dooms fury. that much crit on use it pretty good

[mellow bridge]

which helm should I use?

Iron Fortress > Bloodsport but Blood Siphon > Shimmering

at least according to the icyveins guide

[granite vale]

on warcraft logs mostly people take iron fortress

out of those 3

so if u have bolster u wouldn't use shield block right? if last stand is active

[obsidian siren]

Yes

With bolster, LS is like a big beefy SB

[granite vale]

alright

[obsidian siren]

That's why the pinned SB weak aura displays both SB and LS

[granite vale]

ooooh

[calm sentinel]

nice, 370 shoulders without DC

[granite vale]

nice

[calm sentinel]

:<

[granite vale]

and just a dumb question but do u use any hp related weak auras

im not using elvui so my hp bar is still in the uperleft

[junior ivy]

are druids good healers

[granite vale]

for me yes

they are awesome

[undone sun]

yup

[junior ivy]

what anout

about

boomies?

[umbral patio]

We have come in rated 2nd from bottom in terms of mythic tanks.

😭

[vocal nimbus]

+1

[digital arrow]

is it just me or does vol'zith (shrine of the storm's last boss) hit harder melee than other bosses? any of u guys opening that fight with shieldwall?

every other boss in shrine does average melee damage

but vol'zith goddamn

[obsidian siren]

Vol'zith hits like a truck

[digital arrow]

so its not just me! ok

sheesh

[obsidian siren]

But I don't SW on pull ^^

[digital arrow]

which phase u saving SW for?

[wary crystal]

anything special I can do as OT on fetid? felt pretty useless since i cant block that attack

[steel mauve]

uh what?

[obsidian siren]

Usually the shitty last 20% of the fight where everybody is screaming on discord :D

[digital arrow]

lol

[steel mauve]

have shield block up every thrash

ip to smooth it

post 50% cycle cd's and externals in a rotation

[obsidian siren]

I really try to keep SW for shitty af situations, or to damage the add

Are you sure you can't block that? Oo

[steel mauve]

you can 100% block thrash...

[obsidian siren]

That's what I thought

Actually makes us pretty good for off tanking Devourer

If only my co tank could hold aggro :(

[steel mauve]

ya....

i was having that problem on zekvoz or whatever last night as well

[dark junco]

“Do less dps, its not like you gain survivability from it”

Meanwhile DC and Shield Slam

[junior ivy]

do boomkins suck?

[obsidian siren]

AKSHULLY 🤓

Boomkins are very solid on aoe

[hexed drum]

Terrible trash is blockable

[dark junco]

Best spec in pvp: aoe

[hexed drum]

100% sure

[junior ivy]

so i should boost a druid?

[hexed drum]

Just have sb+ip and it’s easy

[dark junco]

Boost any class you wanna play

[obsidian siren]

Or you could just respec arms and nuke packs every 30 secs or so

[junior ivy]

i wanna be able to heal/range dps on my alt

my first real alt

[obsidian siren]

Oh

Yeah druid is prolly the least worse of the 3 atm

[steel mauve]

should probably ask in the druid discord...

[junior ivy]

i dont have it

[steel mauve]

literally in the welcome channel at the top

[obsidian siren]

Check the welcome channel

[vocal nimbus]

Well

I wouldnt advise about going to druid discord to ask if they are good

[junior ivy]

yeha im scared they will take it the wrong way

[vocal nimbus]

And i dont see any problem about asking here

It isnt disrupting any prot topic

[obsidian siren]

Any class that's a bit neglected (boomkins on ST) is a minefield xD

[junior ivy]

i cant talk for 10 mins in druid discord

thats annoying lol

[vocal nimbus]

Every discord has that

[obsidian siren]

But playstyle is important too

[undone sun]

Most other discords are like that

[dark junco]

Were the only cool dude

[undone sun]

[hexed drum]

Prot are usually more brained

🤣

[dark junco]

Brained or brain dead? =p

[junior ivy]

IS IT TRUE DBM IS GOIG AWAY?

GOING*

[hexed drum]

Depends on if you still ask the question about the haste cap or not

[vocal nimbus]

I doubt it

But if it goes away change to bigwigs 🤷

[undone sun]

It looks like the original creator is stepping down

[merry cave]

Bigwigs is better anyway 🤷

[dark junco]

The dude is having a hard time since he’s the only one and has medical issues

[junior ivy]

i love the DBM creator. i went to the discord once and said i wished there was an audible 3 second coutndown before corrupting maw and burning maw on hounds in antorus, and a week later he pings my name and says he included it in the update for me

😦

hes so nice

[dark junco]

And its taking its toll on him since he’s doing it solo and its taking all his time beside the fact that he has to care for his old mother

Yeah dude is legit chill from what I’ve heard

As for @hexed drum I was asking the haste question to have a ballpark for a breaking points to put in another Tclap or such during avatar. Thats why I wanted to know if I was getting anything from stacking even more haste than 42%.

I wanted to give to the dbm dude, but he only has a patreon

Would’ve preferes a gofundme

[hexed drum]

It was not meant for you but more a running gag since this question is asked ... a lot.

[dark junco]

I mean you literally said “ Depends on if you still ask the question about the haste cap or not” and I asked about haste tiers/breaking points 2 days ago, but alright.

Would help to be able to work out the math on number of tclap or gcd you can do into a avatar rotation and work out the math for the best rotation on pull for aoe dpsing tho

[final mist]

Kral, we've been over this.

[dark junco]

How’s your progression going? (Wrong channel sorry, leaving it for legacy sake).

[final mist]

You're always getting something from haste no matter how much Haste you have.

[granite vale]

if u dont mind guys could u tell me if u have any specific hp pool weak aura that u r using?

[ember arrow]

what do u mean?

[junior ivy]

i did something stupid 😭 i just bought 2 wow tokens when i already had $57 on my bnet acocunt

i could al;ready affoird a boost

[ember arrow]

elvui shows hp in a nice way

[granite vale]

cause my hp pool is on upperleft and i want to see it in the middle

[vocal nimbus]

You can move it

[dark junco]

Damn, might be able to open a token Cat

[vocal nimbus]

Even on the default UI

@granite vale

[dark junco]

Ticket***

[junior ivy]

yeh ill try

[granite vale]

was thinking about moving it too thought there is something else 😛 but thanks i'll move it anyway

[dark junco]

@granite vale with the wago you get a nice setup

Its pretty decent

[vocal nimbus]

There are A LOT of addons and was to customize everything

The most used frames are shadowed unit frames and elvui

[dark junco]

i use standard but with bartender and the wago setup

[vocal nimbus]

elvui is a complete rework of the interface and shadowed only focuses on that, the unit frames (party, yourself, target, etc)

[granite vale]

couldn't get used to elvui 😛 it changes too many things

[vocal nimbus]

Getting a new interface takes a lot of time tho

[junior ivy]

i am determined to try elv ui soon

[hexed drum]

@dark junco I really meant it as a joke to reply to your « brained or brain dead ? » question ... regarding the haste cap, I also asked for it 2 weeks ago so I was also in the dark at that time.

[junior ivy]

itll just be a huge undertaking

[vocal nimbus]

i dont like elvui at all

[junior ivy]

i just have too many addons and itd be nice to get rid of liek half

[vocal nimbus]

i use the default interface moved around with bartender and some weak auras

[ember arrow]

@granite vale

[dark junco]

I don’t like it either.

[ember arrow]

my hp is shown like this

[granite vale]

thats elvui?

[ember arrow]

well duh

vanilla sucks

[dark junco]

Same as soul

[granite vale]

hahhaa

[vocal nimbus]

thats elvui

[granite vale]

hmm looks nice

[final mist]

ElvUI is extremely customizable.

[undone sun]

^

[final mist]

https://i.imgur.com/pf8eLIc.jpg

[formal cargo]

For raiding I don’t really watch the hp bar. If you maintain solid mitigation there’s not much you can do if you dip aside from shouting for a hp buffer

[dark junco]

Damn Sal

[undone sun]

we postin UIs now

[formal cargo]

I watch my raids hp more than my own really. But I know for M+ runners they gotta be more on the ball depending on affix

[undone sun]

[junior ivy]

m,y full UI

[undone sun]

https://puu.sh/Bw39I/feb43652da.jpg

[granite vale]

lol k

[undone sun]

though the player target frames are hidden out of combat when no target is selected

[formal cargo]

I use vanilla, but I respect a clean minimalist UI Thyme

[granite vale]

now another question on fetid as a warrior would u take the thrashes or the melee attacks?

[final mist]

My UI in combat is much more full, I like a minimalistic style (which doesn't work for everyone), which is why it looks so empty

[undone sun]

likewise

[final mist]

You can do both incredibly well, Careless

[vocal nimbus]

XIV Databar is BiS 😏

[granite vale]

he hits really hard

[junior ivy]

i main tank on fetid devourer heroic causeim way too scared to offtank

[undone sun]

warr is better for Off tanking fetid @granite vale

[hexed drum]

@granite vale why choose between the two ?

[steel mauve]

off tanking it is easy

[granite vale]

well because each tank has different mitigations

[formal cargo]

Depends on off tank. I know I’m better at maintaining constant mitigation so I main tank it and hope he can remember to mitigate thrash

[granite vale]

well let me say this might sound stupid but if u taking melee attacks would heavy repercussions sound viable?

[steel mauve]

no

[granite vale]

cause u can extend ur shield block?

[formal cargo]

No

Warrior has ONE build

[granite vale]

oh so it sucks in all ways ha

lol

[formal cargo]

You can MAYBE run punish if your raid is all ranged

[steel mauve]

its not worth the amount of cdr AM gives, and it some times wont even extend shield block enough depending on the cast order if he delays thrash

[ember arrow]

i like having large hp bar

since dk

[formal cargo]

But even 3 stacks is better than punish

[ember arrow]

its like my resource

[steel mauve]

ya, punish isnt really worth it on all fronts

[hexed drum]

AM should help get 2 LS with all the rage spent on IP

[granite vale]

punish is heavy repercusions?

[undone sun]

punish is punish

[steel mauve]

punish is the first tier, shield slam targets get a debuff to reduce dmg to you by 3%

[granite vale]

ooh

[steel mauve]

the haste from ITF is far better, even not at full stacks

[final mist]

We'll punish you if we see you running Punish tbh

[formal cargo]

And that 3% is only good if you know your not gonna get good uptime I’m 3+ stacks

But just 3 is enough to blow punish away

[final mist]

You'll have to leap into the fray and deal with all of our anger - management, really - if we see you using it

[formal cargo]

Sal please

[vocal nimbus]

Are you drinking already?

[formal cargo]

I can’t mitigate your magic

[final mist]

It's sunday, which means it's mfn raid day, boys

[formal cargo]

Can’t ignore the pain your causing me

[hexed drum]

Ouch

This one hurts

[final mist]

My dad-style jokes will deafningly crash this channel

[dark junco]

I mean if you’re solo tanking (for some reason) and raid is ALL ranged not willing to stack (for some reason) AND there’s only one boss/add, then yeah punish is better

[hexed drum]

Hahahaha

[granite vale]

Kral that is a very specific case isn't it 😛

[vocal nimbus]

I benched myself today, i dont want an hictus 🙃

[dark junco]

Yep

[final mist]

Specific enough that you just always run into the fray

[dark junco]

So mever

[granite vale]

hahahaha

[fathom marten]

What would you guys say the best race for BM Monk ?

[hexed drum]

Yeah, and also no pet in range also

[dark junco]

Exactly what Sal said

[formal cargo]

that’s a fucked up situation but yeah if your gonna have 1 stack the entire fight you should consider punish

[final mist]

Nightborne is always the best race, followed closely by Blood Elf, and then Mag'har Orc

[dark junco]

Oh yeah pet gives ITF, so yeah no pets

[formal cargo]

But only if the incoming damage is mostly magic

[fathom marten]

lol

what

[vocal nimbus]

Forsaken bis race

[formal cargo]

If your just soaking auto attacks the haste might still be better

[fathom marten]

Why would nightborne be good?

[formal cargo]

Cause they’re beautiful

And mail

[granite vale]

k now the hard question kings rest +10 how would u survive against zul, ur IQ needs to be really high for this one

[final mist]

And races don't actually matter, Thrav

[fathom marten]

Hmm okay

[formal cargo]

Maghar is fun if you macro avatar to AC

[final mist]

So whoever wins the beauty pageant wins the "best race" award

Which means elves are always the winners

[formal cargo]

You get some crazy burst pulls (if your lucky)

[hexed drum]

Idk, male gob are special

[final mist]

If you're doing Zul in KR, you just cry

[fathom marten]

Idk tauren monks look so effin crazy

[final mist]

Cry and hope you live

[fathom marten]

it's hilarious

[granite vale]

LOL

i cried didn't work

[formal cargo]

Pop all CDs at once and hope dps can do it

[final mist]

You didn't hope hard enough then

[granite vale]

k next milestone increase hope

[hexed drum]

Or not enough tears

[formal cargo]

It shouldn’t be possible to die if everything is up. If you still wipe blame dps

Then cry

[hexed drum]

There is no cap to tears rate

Just in case

[final mist]

The last one I did (I think it was a +11 or +12), I died like halfway through, psure the rogue tanked Zul better than I did

[granite vale]

with haste u should cry even better

[final mist]

Was a pretty FeelsBadMan moment

Fucking Cloak of SHadows

[granite vale]

tell me about it i died and a rogue and dk tanked him better than me

i felt ...

isn't there a way to los him or something he is my nightmare he is even harder than the raid zul

well thanks guys for the informative answers and Sal for the dad-style answers aswell hope when we meet again prot warriors are top tanks

[vocal nimbus]

Is limit % public?

The % they are at i mean

[merry cave]

Go to the server and message them

Someone might have dBm % left on lol

[vocal nimbus]

< EU boy

[timid jay]

See Sal

This is why I trust you

Nightborne is always the best race, followed closely by Blood Elf, and then Mag'har Orc

Except mag'har is better than belf

[astral crystal]

if beauty is the only qualifying standard then dark iron females will always be best race

[neon tangle]

@final mist Why is nightbourne the best race?

I would have thought that maybe highmountain w/ the damage reduction

[astral crystal]

reread

what he wrote

[fathom marten]

I went nightborne

I broke down and rolled a BM

Please don't hate me

Prot war is still my main though 😉

[vocal nimbus]

no one likes undeads? FeelsSad

[fathom marten]

One of the leading BW tanks is undead

Sco

[junior ivy]

DO WE HAVE WAR FRONTS?

[fathom marten]

Do you have cap locks on?

[junior ivy]

yeah

this is excitijhng

exciting

it requires caps lock

[vocal nimbus]

you are in the farming phase cat

you have some missions near of where your war campaign hub should be

[junior ivy]

o

they cost gold

😦

[vocal nimbus]

and profession mats

[junior ivy]

i cant afford

[vocal nimbus]

when the ally reaches 100% (its the same mechanic as the broken shore buildings in legion) you get warfronts for a week

[junior ivy]

ok cool

alliance better hurry up then

[vocal nimbus]

you can colaborate 😃

and with every character

each quest gives a decent amount of azerite power too

600 if i recall correctly

[junior ivy]

yeh i just hit 21 necklace level

[sick sentinel]

Got 370 chest + 500ap from lions roar.

Too bad chest sucks for prot

[summer sequoia]

I got the trinket, still trying to figure out how good it is for prot

[rough moon]

are there any good websites for sim'ing prot's/ tanks?

[sick sentinel]

No.

Sims for prot warrior anyway

[vocal nimbus]

No

[sick sentinel]

Is broken

[sick abyss]

Any pro tips for heroic ghun p2 tanking?

[rough moon]

alrighty thanks 😃

[real rover]

I cant find a guide where it's mentioned how many stacks I can take as a tank on zul heroic in p2

is it 2,3 or 4?

[sick sentinel]

2

2, taunt, run and deposit, repeat.

Can use pally bop to drop sooner.

[real rover]

aight, thanks

[little star]

we did 3 bop 3 bop then 2 after that

[graceful mason]

Yeah we did 3 rotations

Was scurry af though

[summer cedar]

hey

is there any one who killed heroic ghun here as prot?

[weary summit]

yep

[summer cedar]

it is too fucking hard

he hits me like a truck

whats your item level btw?

[elder isle]

lolz , prolly just bad SB management

[weary summit]

How much stack do u guys switch ?
371 now but when i killed it last week 356-7~

[summer cedar]

i got 352

hmm

[minor cedar]

jayjar

[elder isle]

371 u maaaaad ?

[weary summit]

still with 355 shield 😢

[mellow bridge]

wtf

that's so high

[digital arrow]

damn

that is high

[weary summit]

spam keys !

[summer cedar]

prollay just bad sb management?

lol

you are so clever

[prime umbra]

witness me

[summer cedar]

shit

[weary summit]

hahaha nice trinket

[elder isle]

that thinket is pretty shit imo

[summer kestrel]

wat

how

[vocal nimbus]

Xalzaix's is quite an underperforming trinket

[dark wraith]

its not bad, would be better with use

[elder isle]

the shit part is that u cant control the proc + 40% is pretty high treshold

[undone sun]

even the best defensive trinkets in uldir are really bad

[prime umbra]

that trinket is pretty lit actually

[elder isle]

its not lol

[prime umbra]

it is

😮

[undone sun]

[vocal nimbus]

Its a nice STR stick 🤷

The effect is garbage

[vivid sage]

It's OP in pvp tho

[elder isle]

get jes howler instead 👹

[prime umbra]

if i got 380 jes howler

[elder isle]

got it 375 - feel like god

[final mist]

A 76k absorb is like 3 blocked attacks.

Rezan's at the same ilevel would be the same amount of strength and ~700 Haste for 15 seconds.

Jes' is going to be similar.

THe tank trinkets suck because the values are low, and the effects are just shitty regardless.

[dark wraith]

76k might be that one attack that kills you, its good for raiding worse for dungeons

[vocal nimbus]

Its not good for either

[final mist]

And you should never be in that situation in the first place.

[prime umbra]

thats some big talk

[final mist]

An absorb of that sort is useless. It's a shitty trinket.

[vocal nimbus]

If you compare it to an empty trinket slot of course its good but there are a lot of better performing trinkets

[daring patrol]

it's not big talk, if you're in that situation you either pulled too much, aren't using your abilities right or your healer sucks

all fixable things

[ember arrow]

at least i post that in offtopic

mostly

[prime umbra]

its saved me a good number of times

[final mist]

The Haste or Vers is going to be much more valuable for preventing you from getting into that sort of "Oh, this fuck all absorb saved my life!" situation.

[prime umbra]

also op in pvp

[dark wraith]

during progresion raiding it can save life

[final mist]

Or, you know, you could play better,

[vivid sage]

The only situation I could potentially give it is during a huge M+ pull that gives you just enough to push yourself over it

[final mist]

Both valid options.

And don't post shitty #off-topic memes, because they don't belong here.

[vocal nimbus]

How did the raid go today sal? Or you havent started yet

[prime umbra]

does he raid 😮

[vivid sage]

Lol

[final mist]

No, I don't raid, I'm just feeding you information I've been told off-hand. 😬

Don't start for another 4 hours, Soul.

[vivid sage]

This guys coming in here swinging on behalf of absorb trinkets everywhere

[vocal nimbus]

I've benched myself today, HC run for socials

YIKES

There were good absorb trinkets in legion

Like infernal contract or reliquary of the damned

The ones in uldir are very poor tho

[final mist]

Right, but even those were situational.

You were never meant to use those for every fight.

[vocal nimbus]

Well, yea

It was nice to have a collection of trinkets for every moment

[final mist]

It sucks that trinkets in BfA are so shitty as a whole. Hopefully we can see some more decent ones in future tiers.

[vocal nimbus]

Passive proc trinkets are a bit boring to play with

[undone sun]

not only that but unreliable which is the complete opposite of what you'd need defensively

[vocal nimbus]

Chronofragment's haste proc was 👌

[worldly ibex]

340 mast/haste with socket bracer vs 360 crit/vers ?

[mellow bridge]

360

the ilvl increase is better

Our secondaries are so close to each other that an ilvl increase on an item with mainstat is almost always better

obv a socket does change it somewhat but doesnt make up 20 ilvls

[vagrant cape]

for stat priority.

Ilvl wins, if there's a tie, haste > mast/vers > crit

Rings and trinkets are different, those are general guidelines though

[mellow bridge]

i wish rings had mainstat too tbh

[vocal nimbus]

At least the neck has it now

[worldly ibex]

yeah, I just asked it bc of socket

[mellow bridge]

socket is worth 5-10 ilvls max I think

but not 20 for sure

[steep lily]

Think it depends a bit on the slot, 10 ilvls on bracers is only like 5 or 6 secondary stat.

[amber siren]

Bracers have str though

So ilvl is still best there

[stoic kite]

Should be using Blockades & the 340 howl?

[tawny lantern]

hey guys where are you getting azerite armor with Deafening Crash higher than 340 ilvl?

[cursive minnow]

we don't

only other i've seen so far is from a world boss that hasn't been active yet

[real rover]

weekly chest, warfront quests & warfront rares

pvp chest

all of them are rng

so enjoy.

[tawny lantern]

all rng? omg

[rich robin]

The cycle of RNG can be cruel.

[tidal quarry]

370 deafening crash shoulders in my PvP chest last week 😎.

[tawny lantern]

i wonder at what point is it worth to lose DF, i have a 340 piece equiped and a 370 on the inventory

[steel mauve]

i think theoretically 25 ilvls, its whats tossed around here

[chrome falcon]

guy in my m+ group just got a 385 socket eye 😃

[tawny lantern]

yeah that was theory says but i feel really weak without DF

[vocal nimbus]

@undone sun ghuun casts explosive corruption at the pulling tank during phase 1, right?

[steel mauve]

i heard first person to tag him

[vocal nimbus]

i heard that too

still havent tested it

[steel mauve]

but it was kinda vague, idk if it was first person to pull/tag a mob or tag the boss in the "cocoon"

[undone sun]

hmmm

[chrome falcon]

@vocal nimbus felt like it was alternating between me and my co-tank every pull

[vocal nimbus]

during the pull as well?

[undone sun]

idk, i don't really see any consistency in logs

[sick matrix]

Question: is there a damage meter addon that also tracks damage done by spell reflect? (Recount doesn't seem to do it)

[undone sun]

i always throw my shield at 1 on the count down so i should be the first target but it's split between me and my cotank

[chrome falcon]

you're referring specifically to his very first cast of explosive?

i'm pretty sure it's just random

[undone sun]

@sick matrix no

[chrome falcon]

i don't think spell reflect damage is trackable by anything, you kinda have to just do maths

[sick matrix]

thanks

[undone sun]

recount/skada/details wont be able to show it

[chrome falcon]

boss hp minus total damage done by groups

generally equals SR damage

[undone sun]

it's damage done from the target back to the same target which damage meters don't show

[sick matrix]

Although they should be able to track boss damage taken

[undone sun]

you can find it on logs

but i haven't been able to in game

[sick matrix]

yeah, guess logs is the way. Ty anyway!

[vocal nimbus]

@shut summit congrats on WF :POG

[sick matrix]

oh

I found a way, enable show data from non-trivial mobs. Then you can look at damage taken for e.g. Rixxa in Motherlode, and see that see took damage from herself (reflected chemical burn)

that's in recount

[summer kestrel]

thinking about putting darkmoon in the bag

[steel mauve]

sporepods is garbage

[summer kestrel]

for m+?

[undone sun]

Sporebods is garbage. Period.

[summer kestrel]

why

is proc based the same as blockades

[steel mauve]

get healed at full hp its worthless, blockades actually adds stam, and blockades isnt proc based in the first place

[sage breach]

setting up for uldir tonight i have a 325 chest that has deafening crash, the other two pieces - brace for impact

[steel mauve]

and the dmg is so small on spore

[wheat bronze]

Is there a list of things you can use the DID Fireblood racial for? ie can you use it for Zul's bleed in p2?

[sage breach]

i have a 340 chest that also has brace for impact, should i swap the 325 chest for the 340?

or is the deafening crash trait that important, to forgo the 15 ilvl increase

[lethal geyser]

i got a 370 piece from the world boss, i'm prot and it has collective will and reinforced plating, but collective will isn't mentioned in the guides, is it worth going for or should i stick with reinforced?

[steel mauve]

dont lose DC trait unless its at least 25 ilvls

[sage breach]

thank you ironkuting!

[undone sun]

it's not the same as blockades

blockades is always up, regardless if it procs or not it's reliable

[steel mauve]

blockades is active the entire fight and just shuffles periodically to a new card with a higher or lower buff

[undone sun]

sporepods is entirely RNG, the healing is negligible and the damage is trash which also splits

[steel mauve]

1900 isnt much on 1 single target, let alone it splitting between mobs

[sage breach]

why do tanks run strength flasks not stamina?

[final mist]

Because Strength is a direct Armor, AP, and DPS increase.

Stamina is just more HP.

[sage breach]

ap?

[undone sun]

attack power

[sick sentinel]

just joined a +11 tol dagor group

[final mist]

AP increases your ignore Pain absorb.

[vocal nimbus]

Sand queen is super buggy

@wheat bronze afaik stoneform cleans it, DID racial should too

[sick oriole]

Are there any stats for the Collective Will azerite trait? Can't find it in any of the guides, have that and reinforced plating

[tawny lantern]

hey guys does brace for impact stacks? can we have 2 azerite pieces with it?

[vocal nimbus]

Brace stacks

[solid mist]

do world boss, get a toy. classic fucking wow

[vocal nimbus]

2x brace + 1x DC is the optimal defensive combo

[solid mist]

how many ilvls is DC worth again? 25? 35?

[sick sentinel]

33 mins to kill the sand queen

[vocal nimbus]

Isnt it pointless to say 25 sal?

Azerite increases 15 ilvl per jump 🤔

[tawny lantern]

@vocal nimbus i have to decide betwin 2 brace for impact 370 gear and no DF or 1 brace for impact+Df (340 gear)

[vocal nimbus]

If you lose more than 25 ilvl to keep DC then change

[undone sun]

it's at least 25 ilevel

currently we don't know for certain how much it's worth dropping for

[wheat bronze]

but the point being made is you can't go up by 25

[tawny lantern]

since is azerite gear 30 is what im losing

[wheat bronze]

You either go up by 15, 30, 45, 60, etc

There's no way to go up by 25

[solid mist]

wonder if they'll nuke/nerf/change it. During that AMA they were pretty upfront about making big changes to azerite so there weren't going to be any must-haves and to try and even out the usefulness of stuff

[vocal nimbus]

I only meant it as a "semantic" thing thyme

[tawny lantern]

i still feel like DF is really important to keep up mitigation up at all times

[vocal nimbus]

I'd keep the 340 dc eldon

If the other piece is 370

[tawny lantern]

havent tryed to raid without DF yet, so i dont really know

[rugged plinth]

So i'm looking at the guides but what are your alls personal preference for stat priority

seems like mastery is really strong but not seeing it anywhere

Mostly seeing haste>all

[wheat bronze]

Haste is everything but haste > mastery >= vers

[vocal nimbus]

Pinned information is the most trustable source

[solid mist]

pooooor old crit

good thing they left that ravager talent in

😗 👌

[final mist]

Crit is actually not bad now, it's just unreliable, which is 100% not the thing you want as a tank.

That doesn't mean we don't want Crit - Crit isn't as useless as it was in Legion, which is why we don't mind having it, now.

Losing BC really did wonders for it's DPS value, although it's survival value is relatively the same.

[sick matrix]

Ravager isn't too bad in dungeons, drop it on the healer when someone pulls adds while you need to stay next to a boss that otherwise does an ability. Not as good as an aoe taunt was but it does make untouched adds come to you (also in LoS pulls)

[undone sun]

...

[final mist]

Ravager is horrible in every situation and you should never touch it. At all.

[ember arrow]

Uhhh

[sick matrix]

oh come on, it's a playstyle

I said dungeons, I don't raid.

[final mist]

Ravager does less damage over it's entire time length than a single Revenge cast.

[undone sun]

not viable playstyle when ravager itself does less damage than a single revenge
not viable playstyle when Parry is incredibly unreliable
not viable playstyle when it also competes with AM

[sick matrix]

yes it certainly isn't for the damage that I sometimes use it

[ember arrow]

Wait what

[vocal nimbus]

You just said it was for the damage

[sick matrix]

parry is not unreliab

[final mist]

You're willfully throwing away both DPS and a megafuckload of survival on the offchance some idiot DPS pulls adds that you can just... Run over and TC?

[undone sun]

wat

parry is RNG and has diminishing returns

tell me how that's not unreliable

[sick matrix]

combat table filled means you don't get hit. ofc block from behind doesn't work either

[final mist]

You can't parry from behind either.

Or Dodge.

[sick matrix]

Look, you all just ignored the part where I said "drop it on the healer"

[ember arrow]

If something does no dmg

[undone sun]

because it doesn't make sense

[ember arrow]

U dont aggro with it

[sick matrix]

enough to make mobs run to you

[undone sun]

higher damage output = more damage

[final mist]

WHy would you bother using Ravager when you can literally Intervene or HL to the healer, hit TC once, and have aggro for the rest of time.

[undone sun]

warr has one of the best snap agro

[final mist]

You're losing so, so much by not using AM.

[sick matrix]

you can drop ravager on Lady Waycrest btw

[final mist]

That's not a "playstyle", that's "I feel like actually nerfing myself".

[sick matrix]

ofc other options are better, just listing things you can use it for

[final mist]

Except there are no things you can use it for, because you should never use it, and you are bad if you do.

Call me toxic, but it's true.

[undone sun]

you can use it to pull mobs while questing but that doesn't mean it's even worth considering

[sick sentinel]

you can use AM and then a TC and deal more damage

[sick matrix]

nvm, you are way too busy trying to insult instead of just saying "yeah could work in that situation"

[ember arrow]

It doesnt

[final mist]

I'm not insulting, I'm telling you that Ravager is always the wrong answer.

[sick matrix]

especially the one who flashed that meme picture

[sick sentinel]

Ravager is a meme

[steel mauve]

RNG isnt unreliable lol

[final mist]

I'm teaching, there's a difference.

[ember arrow]

Opportunity cost my man

[vocal nimbus]

It works way worse than the other options you have in that situation

[steel mauve]

to be honest

[ember arrow]

Not only is it bad by itself

It competes with much better options

[steel mauve]

there is no ravager working in a situation, because if you take ravager over AM you really shouldnt be playing a warrior

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

Anger Management is the single best talent that prot warriors have right now IMO

[undone sun]

there's still no other talent row i'd put ravager to make it useable

[sick sentinel]

it's what makes the spec work

[sick matrix]

yes AM is very strong.

[undone sun]

it needs some major tuning to be even considered

[final mist]

Ravager could be on it's own talent tier, and I still probably wouldn't bother using it

[undone sun]

^

[steel mauve]

ravager is a garbage talent even with out am being on that row lol

doesnt mattrer how strong the other 2 are, ravager is still ravager

[ember arrow]

If it did dmg at least i could at least get where youre coming from

[sick matrix]

"you really shouldnt be playing a warrior" is like saying you should play Monk in Uldir.

uncalled for.

[ember arrow]

[steel mauve]

maybe uncalled for but true

[sick matrix]

yeah you don't even read the snide remarks others post

[steel mauve]

and ravager does do dmg

[vocal nimbus]

The wait in the hospital isnt so painful after reading this

[ember arrow]

My dude look at its dmg LOOK AT IT

[steel mauve]

some dmg is still dmg

[sick matrix]

WTF is it with you, I did not advertise using it for its damage

so stop it

[undone sun]

you advertised it as threat

which is damage

[steel mauve]

thread IS dmg

threat*

[sick matrix]

on mobs too far away

[undone sun]

threat is 1:1 of damage output

[amber siren]

i mean you could fill a gcd with the dynamite from kobolds in goldshire but i wouldn't advertise it as damage

[undone sun]

i can assure you that it will not pull off anyone

[vocal nimbus]

Why dont you charge to mobs far away?

[steel mauve]

when you say threat, prot warrior sees dmg

[vocal nimbus]

Why dont you heroic leap to mobs far away?

[sick matrix]

Healer. I said healer. I hope the healer is not gonna start dpsing stuff that runs towards him...

[steel mauve]

and i agree, even if it was on its own talent row by itself, it would still be a waste of a gcd

[vocal nimbus]

Why dont you ask the healer to be close

[sick matrix]

some bosses do an ability with nothing in melee

[ember arrow]

Healing generates threat too

[undone sun]

healer threat

[ember arrow]

More than ravager xd

[final mist]

Neganur, Ravager for me in-game right now does 2408 damage over 5.3 seconds. That's 453 DPS. That is never going to pull off anyone.

[summer kestrel]

just use a big red button

[final mist]

You'd be better off HLing and Intercepting over to where they are and hitting TC once.

[sick matrix]

Yeah red button is similar, just shorter range

[ember arrow]

Not quite

[sick matrix]

well it splits damage on mobs

[vocal nimbus]

Abrodus? 🤔

[amber siren]

ravager is the same range as HL, don't quite understand why you're insisting it keeps the healer 'safer'

[ember arrow]

It does good dmg, is off gcd and doesnt fill a talent spot

[vocal nimbus]

You can directly ask for the healer to be closer to you

If you are scared of spawning mobs

[sick matrix]

oh you never pug do you

[vocal nimbus]

But the best option you have is to heroic leap or charge to mobs

[amber siren]

is this prot warriors are shunned in the tank community

[vocal nimbus]

Another option is throwing heroic throw right when adds spawn

[amber siren]

it's ravagers falt

faut

omfg

[vocal nimbus]

You also have taunt

A couple heroic throws make adds go to you

[lusty plank]

what kind of % mitigated should a prot warr be looking at in a HC raid boss?

[sick matrix]

One add you can just tanutn. np at all

[vocal nimbus]

Heroic throw doesnt have cd

Just target every mob

[sick matrix]

hmmm what's the guy that calls servants in Weycrest

[vocal nimbus]

And stop playing with ravager

[sick matrix]

that one, pug dps often completely ignore

[ember arrow]

Well u cant aggro servants

[vocal nimbus]

Those sercants cant be aggroed

[final mist]

Neagnur, I pug often enough, and I still would never, ever consider using Ravager over AM.

It's never worth it.

You are weakening yourself for no reason - it's a trap talent.

[sick matrix]

I do know that

[final mist]

Then stop using it.

[undone sun]

a trap talent means there's some allure to it at face value

[vocal nimbus]

No one here tries to deceive you neganur

[undone sun]

i see none

[vocal nimbus]

Ravager is literally the worst talent in the game

[steel mauve]

It does as much dmg over 5 seconds as 1 devestate lol

[vocal nimbus]

Change your chip and start using anger management

[sick matrix]

Btw, pointing out a mechanics fault, ravager parry is not affected by DR. it adds flat 35%

[final mist]

Think about how synergistically AM works with Avatar, Demo Shout, Last Stand, and their respective talents and azerite pieces. Is losing uptime, and thus survival and DPS, from those really, really, really worth Ravager?

[vocal nimbus]

The parry thing is very unreliable neganur

Would you fight praying that a 35% chance of survival will save you?

[sick matrix]

how is it any more unreliable than block (frontal) or dodge

[ember arrow]

???

[vocal nimbus]

Block is assured damage reduction

[ember arrow]

SB is guaranteed

[vocal nimbus]

When shield block is up

[sick matrix]

frontal, no ?

[undone sun]

warrior guarantees blocking

[steel mauve]

He wasn't saying ravager effected parry dr, he was stating that to your comment about parry not being unreliable

[final mist]

Well, our main mitigation tool gives us 100% block chance, and you should never fight mobs with your back to them anyways.

[sick matrix]

what about stuns, you block when stunned?

[ember arrow]

Parry is frontal too 🤦

No u dont

[undone sun]

parry and dodge is also frontal

[vocal nimbus]

You cant parry, dodge or block when stunned

[steel mauve]

If you get stunned that was an avoidable mechanic lol

[lusty plank]

anyone? what kind of % mitigated should a prot warr be looking at in a HC raid boss?

[final mist]

You don't block, parry, or dodge from anywhere but the front, and you can do none of them while stunned.

[sick matrix]

@ember arrow do me a favor and drop your face palms. It's rude

[undone sun]

🤦

[ember arrow]

Its an emote

[vocal nimbus]

Parry works in the exact same situations as block neganur

[sick matrix]

you're unable to just discuss. Must insult. I see

[final mist]

And he's right, it is toxic, and we're here to teach, not snark.

[floral rock]

sez you

[undone sun]

@lusty plank subjective, it depends on the boss more than anything, you want effective block uptime rather than total

[final mist]

Yes, says me, the mod.

[ember arrow]

Im insulting by posting an emote

Oj

[vocal nimbus]

Thyme

[final mist]

Nega, any point you can make up for using Ravager is made completely pointless by the fact that you're giving up far, far too much.

It's not worth it, it never has been worth it, and it never will be worth it.

[lusty plank]

Fair call - how do I check effective block up time?

[sick matrix]

I'm just saying parry is far from useless. Ofc block is better with things that can make use of damage reduction

[vocal nimbus]

For real neganur, ravager is super worse in EVERY situation EVER

[sick matrix]

Yeah I do actually agree

[final mist]

Parry isn't useless, but it is "unreliable", which is the main point.

[vocal nimbus]

@lusty plank look at how many hits total were blocked

[final mist]

AM is reliable.

You can have 90% Parry and still somehow manage to not parry 100 melees in a row.

WHereas that CDR, and thus survival and DPS uptime, from AM is always there.

Not to mention how shitty Ravager's damage, and thus it's threat, which was you original discussion point was, is utter shit.

[vocal nimbus]

@lusty plank it should show in damage taken, hover over "melee" or any other blockable stuff

[sick matrix]

Your example with 90% pary is not totally correct but I get what you mean

[steel mauve]

@lusty plank tohigo to damage taken, click on melee or look at the melee bar, and it should say block % or some thing like that in logs

[final mist]

Ravager is never, ever worth it, and you'd be doing yourself and your pugs a favor by not using ot.

[steel mauve]

Idk about in game dmg meters

[junior ivy]

should rixxa fluxflame be tanked at the edge

or in the middle

[steel mauve]

It is kind of correct though

[lusty plank]

35% block?

[steel mauve]

Rng is rng, 90% parry there IS still a chance to literally not parry any thing

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy what boss is that

[junior ivy]

motherlode

azerite one

3rd

[sick matrix]

well there is miss, dodge too

[ember arrow]

Middle so dps can clear area

At least i do it that way

[sick matrix]

and iirc block is the last one to fill the damage table

[ember arrow]

U cant dodge attacks of level 121-123(bosses)

[sick matrix]

(ofc SB makes it 100%)

reference?

[undone sun]

absorbs are last

[sick matrix]

why would you have dodge then, all yellow attacks could be dodged in wow

[ember arrow]

Our dodge is 3%

U lose stats vs higher lvl

About 4% iirc

[sick matrix]

and that's for all not just dodge

[ember arrow]

Ao warr cant dodge melees from level 121+

[sick matrix]

hmm, that's something I'll have to try

[ember arrow]

SB adds 100% block

U have like 20% base

So its always 100% vs anything while up

[steel mauve]

And we can have a block up for like 50 seconds straight if need be

[sick matrix]

you can still be missed while SB is up

it's not all block

[ember arrow]

U can parry and dodge during sb

[sick matrix]

yes like I said, order used to be miss-dodge-parry-block- (crush-crit-hit?)

[ember arrow]

Level ??? Is 123. They hit hardest because youre essentially weaker statwise relative to them

Just to reitirate

[sick matrix]

yes that mechanic is not new.

[fair lantern]

Best food?

[ember arrow]

Haste and/or str feast

Both are great

[sick matrix]

@ember arrow regarding"U cant dodge attacks of level 121-123(bosses)", just killed Zeritarj (122 Elite) and dodged one attack.

dodge lvl 122 melee swing

[ember arrow]

u dont have dodge traits?

[sick matrix]

Uh what? Why is that relevant

[ember arrow]

because they might bump up the dodge value

[sick matrix]

yes but, maybe you had a typo there, I thought you meant you cannot dodge >lvl 121

[ember arrow]

i mentioned, that you lose stats proportionally

[sick matrix]

I verbatim quoted you

[ember arrow]

yes

but i also said that u lose 4% ish

per level

[vocal nimbus]

Neganur everything is far simpler than you are making it look

[ember arrow]

relative to the enemy

[vocal nimbus]

Warrior protection tool kit is built aroud the strength of blocking, brewmaster toolkit is built around dodge and so on

[sick matrix]

Hey I do know how the combat table works, in regards of fighting mobs above your level. But you Wrote that dodging is not possible - just making sure you understand what part I am addressing

[ember arrow]

it was one of my posts

other part was losing the stats

[sick matrix]

OK, but cannot = not able to. being less value != not able to

[ember arrow]

semantics

its not what i meant

[sick matrix]

How should I know

[ember arrow]

you misinterpreting it doesnt change the meaning

[sick matrix]

err

[ember arrow]

i didnt say "impossible"

[sick matrix]

that is not mis interpreting

[ember arrow]

i assumed 3% dodge rating

in that case u cannot dodge

[sick matrix]

oh nvm.

[ember arrow]

i didnt take into account any haste procs

[junior ivy]

this one isnt goin so bad

compared to my other +11s

[sick sentinel]

yes, we are 4 maning this

[vocal nimbus]

🥚 🥚

[sick sentinel]

why is my health so low im 355 with 175k yet other prot warriors at the same ilvl havw 200k+

without indom

[cold owl]

Probably gear balance

Most of my high ilvls are azerite

[ember arrow]

@sick sentinel its not about max hp

its about Effective hp

[echo cloud]

so I was trying to create a macro for demo shout and avatar but only the first spell in the sequence will cast even after waiting the gcd

#showtooltip Demoralizing Shout
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/cast Avatar
/use 13
/use 14

which modifier am I forgetting

[brazen path]

warrior have the least hp of all tanks

[sick sentinel]

well my guild seems to think im a bad tank coz of my low health

[vocal nimbus]

your guild is bad

[raven kernel]

I'm 366 in prot and I don't have 200k base

Lol

Don't worry about hp

[junior ivy]

last boss on motherlode

help

[vocal nimbus]

dodge everything

[junior ivy]

peopelk cant stay alive

people

what do we do

[twilit yoke]

stay closer to boss

[vocal nimbus]

You can predict where the rain of bombs are gonna fall

[junior ivy]

how

[vocal nimbus]

You can see two mini gyrocopters that resemble the boss

In the borders of the arena

The bombs will go in a wide line in front of them

You have to dodge those, dodge the machine gun, dodge/kite the rocket and kill ASAP the two adds he summons

[junior ivy]

people die before p2 eveyr pull

i stay alive though

so its not my fault right?

[undone sun]

right, it's likely just standing too close when he's casting homing rocket

cleaving everyone down slowly

[sick matrix]

Speaking of diminished dodge vs. attackers higher lvl than yourself - it used to be (for dodge) lvl 121: 1.5%, lvl 122: 3%, lvl 123: 4.5%.

Is there any testing if this has changed or are the old mechanics still being used in the game?

[junior ivy]

literally like 15 pulls now and 1-2 people die eveyr time

[raven kernel]

We have shit dodge who gives a fuck

[sick matrix]

Because theorycrafters are interested in this kind of question.

[vocal nimbus]

I would say that data is so unnecessary that no one cared to test, neganur

[raven kernel]

Test it yourself if you're that enthusiastic

[sick matrix]

You say that stuff to the ppl who code your sim tools?

[amber siren]

You can't Sim defensively anyway so

I mean

Yeah

[raven kernel]

The result of that test would change.... Nothing

[steel mauve]

Idk why it wont work @echo cloud bobbut you dont want demo shout first in that sequence

[raven kernel]

Regardless of result

[sick matrix]

yeah, because nobody wants to, with those kind of replies

[undone sun]

well

[vocal nimbus]

Its objectively impossible to simulate defensively, neganur

[undone sun]

it is a lot of work for little results but it's meaningless for the most part

[steel mauve]

Macros are usually a bad idea due to laziness usually hurting more than helping but you want to avatar first, then demo shout to not lose out on demo duration with 2 second tclaps

[amber siren]

Neg you can do it if you're so passionate about it

[sick matrix]

but regardless of it being possible (or even meaningful) there is no testing / confirmation on this?

[undone sun]

attempts have been made from AMR but are still far from accurate

[vocal nimbus]

There is no testing because its pointless to do so and no one wants to waste his/her time in something pointless

Why would anyone want to test that if that someone already knows that its irrelevant beforehand?

[sick matrix]

OK but then maybe some ppl in here shouldn't actually claim stuff about dodge if there is no one who actually confirms how mechanics work

[amber siren]

Assuming it hasn't been changed

[vocal nimbus]

People are just saying that dodge isnt a good stat for protection warriors

[amber siren]

You can prove it wrong if you want

But the result would be the same

[sick matrix]

no he literally said it does not work

[vocal nimbus]

You have to understand that you are kinda testing everyone's patience

[amber siren]

That's not what he said

[sick matrix]

and in the next sentence advertise dodge traits

[modern brook]

at ilvl 350, with shield 345, how high can you push a key?

+1

[vocal nimbus]

I have done up to +9 with my 345 warrior

[modern brook]

in time?

[vocal nimbus]

Yes

[modern brook]

this week?

[vocal nimbus]

Yeah

[steel helm]

you really should specify if you did it with pugs tho :p

[modern brook]

sorry i llike half asked the question

'

[sick matrix]

@amber siren I am not going to quote it again. Literally said cannot dodge mobs of higher level. Clearly that is not correct

[vocal nimbus]

It was with a guild group with good communication

[rugged plinth]

dude someone get this neganur guy out

[amber siren]

He was assuming a certain stat level

Read my dude

[raven kernel]

Firstly it's levko

[ember arrow]

i assume pl dont take dodge on a prot warrior

lmao

[raven kernel]

He doesn't play prot XD

[sick matrix]

what?

[ember arrow]

how is taht relevant?

3% is the dodge value of prot

i assume that

[sick matrix]

it's 5% base

[ember arrow]

lets log myt warriro then

[ember arrow]

lets log warrior

[sick matrix]

and 0.5% against lvl 123

[junior ivy]

sreiously, this last boss

[ember arrow]

rip keyboard

[junior ivy]

what do we doo

[vocal nimbus]

I told you cat

Tell that to your party

[raven kernel]

Play better it's a skill check

[junior ivy]

the 2 clothies die eveyr pull

at first gattling gun

[vocal nimbus]

Everything is dodgeable in that boss

[junior ivy]

ive lived til the end of every pull 😦

[ember arrow]

tell them not to be terrible

and start oddging the slow moving telegraphed mechanic

[raven kernel]

Yeah cloth get fucked if they make a mistake

[junior ivy]

one of our dps is gone to eat dinner now

so we got a little break

[sick matrix]

@rugged plinth you can report me to a moderator I guess. I just don''t know for what reason.

[ember arrow]

logging into my warrior right now

[cinder roost]

@junior ivy What classes?

[ember arrow]

for dodge

[junior ivy]

priest and lock

the dk, arms warrior and me manage to live

but the holy priest and destro lock die

[ember arrow]

hes level 110

[primal crypt]

LMFAOOOOOO