monk actually is better I think
#protection
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But I haven't had that many monk healers
mellow bridge
so far I've had good success with monk and paladins
solid mist
gimme that rain
mellow bridge
Shamans I think aren't bad but I literally havent had a single good one
one time I actually had an 360 hshaman with like 600 score
and he was so incredibly bad
felt like someone else was on his accoutn lol
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haha
mellow bridge
Not because we're that bad but because of public perception
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I've done a +9 TD so far and we could've done it in time
but we had 100 deaths on last boss
mellow bridge
we can easily do +10 but why risk it with a prot when you can just take a bdk/vdh
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tru
mellow bridge
you probably tanked the boss in a bad position
or did people not tank the bullet for each other
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but some would rather take a 365 prot than a 355 bdk :>:>
undone sun
because not everyone cares to level an alt just for the weekly 10 key or don't enjoy the style either bring ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mellow bridge
well yea I'm not gonna do that either but for pugs it's 🤷
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the explosive blast circles or w/e they're called killed our casters
the dots
we had a good try where he didnt spam it
sometimes they had 2 stacks
mellow bridge
2 stacks of the aoe circle?
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maybe I confused
hc g'huun wasnt as cancer as I expected
and I let off tank take the explosive corruption orbs
He probably had the best tanking experience in his life
As the boss barely touched him lol
have you guys mistakenly forgot that you have LS on and you panicked and used SB too?
vocal nimbus
Sometimes
little star
ye hitting shield block by muscle memory sometimes with last stand
steel mauve
Ya i overlap shield block and last stand more than i care to admit
next goblet
theres a WA that can help with that in the pins
unborn karma
whats the best WA to for prot that basically screams in my face shield block and ignore pain?
undone sun
you can add sounds and alerts to the already existing block tracker
next goblet
so pissed
did order of embers emissary, got a warforged 350 weapon
i HAD a 340 mace from atal with a leech proc
all my gear keeps getting crit
im GREAT in m+ with all this parry.. lol
steel mauve
I use the weakaura in pins but i still just hit it with out thinking
simple mauve
https://raider.io/characters/eu/turalyon/Glennani#season=season-bfa-1
so are warriors better than most people give them credit for in m+?
lavish sierra
Well better affixes for Warrior tanks this week
next goblet
^^
steel mauve
I usually make my own and add custom sounds to em, but the only 2 i use that arent mine are the bolster/block one and the ip ones in this discord
steel mauve
Yes warriors are better than everyone gives us credit for
next goblet
346ilvl +4 freehold should be easy eh?
steel mauve
Should be, as long as you also have a decent shield
next goblet
345 shield from atal
steel mauve
Oh ya you should be good then
next goblet
yeah i cant get any better to drop now lol
vocal nimbus
I tanked a +8 freehold without much problems
340 equipped
Just a couple hours ago
And i suck at warrior this xpac
I kinda want to start playing more with my warrior but then the azerite grind hits me right in the balls
vocal nimbus
My warrior's heart is at 15 😂
weak zephyr
I can't even use most of my traits
vocal nimbus
At least i have a DC trait
mellow bridge
freehold is the easiest m+ prolly imho
especially if you have a rogue and just skip everything to the first boss
legit most trouble avoided
amber siren
yeah for real, 90% of the problems i have in dungeons are people not having spacial awareness with mob packs near them
10% is not interrupting
vagrant cape
I co-tanked lfr with this fella https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/quelthalas/Mordiz
great player, but absolutely no clue how to build
long jay
Guys, des anyone have a genereal pawn string for prot warriors
undone sun
also pawn is useless for tanks
vagrant cape
not for dpsing as a tank
long jay
Well as a calculation Tool IT should Do well
final mist
Pawn is a tool, and most people don't use it correctly
vagrant cape
it's not a calculation tool at all, pawn is for at-a-glance major upgrades
undone sun
even for DPS reasons most people recommend against using it
vagrant cape
if it's close at all (10% or less) you sim it to make sure
undone sun
it trains a bad habit and most of the time inaccurate
peak compass
Our prot warr dumps all rage on revenge and calls warrs the worst tank
vagrant cape
I agree, it helps me mostly to see what may be worth holding onto for off-specs
long jay
Well in the past i used manual weights
final mist
When you get a new piece of gear, you should sim and re-sim constantly to get an accurate view of gear. Generating a single string and using it for the rest of time always is an incredibly bad and wrong way to look at gearing, especially with how fluid secondaries are for more DPS.
Just don't use Pawn at all, Viashin.
undone sun
Cannot sim defensively so nothing you could get would be nearly accurate and you'd still have to resim yourself for dps everytime you got a new piece. In the long run it's better just to know the stat priorities
long jay
Lets say Master is worth 1.0
vagrant cape
Agreed, sal. When I played ret in legion, I'd get a new pawn string after every piece of gear I equipped. If a new piece is anywhere from a -10% to +10% change, I'd sim it to make sure. Pawn was right 99% of the time about things that it said were >10% downgrade
final mist
Viashin, that's not how stats work
steel mauve
Which you cant accurately tell that mastery is worth 1.0
final mist
You can't just pick a number out of thin air and decide that's what it's worth
steel mauve
Thats literally a made up fabrication of a stat weight
vagrant cape
Pawn lets me know which pieces to scrap immediately (if they're SIGNIFICANT downgrades)
(again, I get a string every time I equip a new piece of gear)
final mist
Then you're at least using the tool mostly correctly for it's intended design
Most people do not, which was my reference and my point
long jay
I am Not intrrested in dps, my aim is for defense
long jay
And therefore brains sat down and Made a statpriority
vagrant cape
> ilvl > haste > vers=mastery > crit
steel mauve
Ya, pawn is used to see one singular upgrade, then you resim yourself, get a new string and plug that in to see the next upgrade, and rinse repeat for the end of time every time you get a piece of gear
final mist
And they only made it because they'd rather hand out a pawn string to shut people up
undone sun
pretty sure it was put together to stop people from asking about it
vagrant cape
that makes a lof of sense
long jay
Okay, i will Do IT Luke Legion and play with statt weights
vagrant cape
🤦
peak compass
Paladin defense string? Bubble > HS?
amber siren
alright have fun fucking it up my dude
undone sun
be sure to weigh speed equally to stam
vagrant cape
viashin, there are no viable stat weights because haste is just the best all the time for two pieces of equal ilvl
steel mauve
And avoidance your highest weight?
All your stats are nearly equal, 5 ilvl is always an upgrade on armor unless socket
steel mauve
And you cant tell if thats accurate
vagrant cape
no.
shut summit
🤦
steel mauve
Thats literally not how this works
final mist
That's... I mean
long jay
So are u deciding by itemlevel statt Budget on the items or how Do u Pick the bis
steel mauve
Pulling numbers out of your ass just for the sake of making the EASIEST gearing choices in wow even easier is dumb and will fuck you over
Fucking ilvl
timber abyss
I know as a rule of thumb, Prot Trait > Generic but Archive of the Titans looks good for the raw extra stats. Would it hold up against Callous Reprisal?
steel mauve
On armor ilvl ALWAYS wins unless socket
vagrant cape
The thing I'm seeing is: Why make stat weights at all if you're jsut trying to get them to numerically reflect the stat priority that's already made and usable as-is?
steel mauve
Christ its literally ilvl > haste > pretty much doesnt matter but try for vers/mastery
Easy
long jay
So Max ilvl, if same the Stadt priority
steel mauve
I wouldnt give out false info in here...
long jay
Stat
vocal nimbus
Yes
long jay
K
vocal nimbus
In rings you can drop 5-10 ilevel for better secondaries
steel mauve
We are the easiest gearing priority
waxen cradle
you noticed the lol after it meaning its a joke >_>
astral crystal
you're all wrong
1 Agility = 2 Strength = .33 Stamina = .25% Crit. = .07% Dodge = .07% Parry = 4 Attack Power = 10 Armor = 0.25 DPS = 4 Shield Block = 1 Weapon Skill = 4 Health bonus
steel mauve
Thing is people are idiotic and will believe you
astral crystal
always stack agi
vocal nimbus
Why stack crit if agi gives crit already 🤔
timber abyss
So I'm gonna assume Callous Reprisal would still beat Archive of the Titans for Survivability despite the raw stats archive gives yea?
waxen cradle
If they really believe I could ever be serious about stacking crit as a Prot Warrior then they definitely need to read more
vagrant cape
@timber abyss "With the Uldir helm, you will want to use the Brace for Impact Icon Brace for Impact trait on it until your Reorigination Array Icon Reorigination Array reaches 500+ Haste."
that's from the updated guide. It sounds like you want to use prot-specific ones untilt he origination array is high enough. Being that the guide only mentions brace for impact, I'd say stick with callous reprisal, but if you're in uldir, I'd swap to the uldir trait next week
timber abyss
Thank you very much Byron & sorry to ask a question that was answered in the guide
vagrant cape
but yeah, outside uldir you always go prot-specific
nah, it wasn't entirely clear in there either
vocal nimbus
Still a long way until +500 haste
vagrant cape
yarp
peak compass
What happens when a large hit overkills the absorb from IP? Does the excess damage get reduced as well, or does it only reduce damage within the absorb's limit?
peak compass
So there's no point in trying to snipe a large hit with IP
amber siren
it's there to help smooth damage combined with other abilities like ls/sw/sb etc
it's a rage dump primarily and shouldn't be used over an actual cooldown
sick matrix
- on physical damage
steel mauve
Its not there for sniping a huge hit or as an active mitigation like it was in legion, its main use is to smooth damage intake
vocal nimbus
Wouldnt you take 750 in the 1000 absorb/1500 hit example?
Maybe the tooltip in spanish is wrong but it says that the absorb takes 50% of the original hit
So a 1500 hit would mean 750 to tge absorb and 750 to your hp
🤔
vocal nimbus
And if the hit is large enough to eat through IP the rest of the damage goes directly to your hp
1000 absorb / 3000 hit
You would absorb 1500 but dont have enough IP for it
You end up mitigating 1000 and taking 2000
boreal depot
vocal nimbus
Thats a good combo
vocal nimbus
Grats
amber siren
kiss him on lips
next goblet
what did i do to deserve this
next goblet
190k on AH on my server
vocal nimbus
🤔
mellow bridge
that's really nice
vocal nimbus
Good deal
People in my guild tend to give out bis boes too
Only if they are big upgrades tho
next goblet
went from 350 crit/mast to 370 haste/mast
rough oriole
blockades worth for M+? or double haste proc trinket
next goblet
i use blockades and big red button tbh
amber siren
up to you if it's worth the cost really
it's not great
but decent
it's p cheap nowadays
vocal nimbus
If you trust the healer (or your own capabilities) i would run with the haste trinkets
If you arent sure how things are going to be turtle up and use the dmd
vocal nimbus
Red button is decent dmg wise
unkempt sorrel
so is avatar + thunderclap
BRB isnt needed. so many other trinkets, even stat sitcks,. are better
vocal nimbus
What has that got to do with a trinket? 🤔
Big red button hits hard enough to compete with other trinkets
It can even crit
upbeat folio
Has anyone given any thought to prism?
unkempt sorrel
noiice. i mean, im no expert.. its purely my personal opinion
mellow bridge
brb can crit?
upbeat folio
I'm using a 345 howler over a 360 prism. The benefit didn't seem so hot.
unkempt sorrel
honestly no idea Zahrak, and yeah i didnt know that either Muyuu
unkempt sorrel
Hey soul, in your opinion should i change my blockades for brb if i feel safe in a +8 with my heals?
vocal nimbus
At same ilvl i would
peak compass
What do you guys think about Ritual Bandage after buff?
amber siren
if you're not worried about dying then blockades falls by the wayside p quick
better offensive options
unkempt sorrel
thanks lads! been real helpful 😃
unkempt sorrel
well done brother!!
peak compass
No avoidance?
digital arrow
anybody have any tips for tanking gold serpent? where do u guys like to kite it? along the walls?
it feels like im driving a really long semi and trying to make wide turns, and the cargo is all the adds slowly catching up walking in a straight line lol
i've done 2 random pugs and theres always one guy who sits on the boss when he gets Spit Gold on him
toward the end im having to try and squeeze boss through two groups of adds coming from opposite sides
errant wing
they should be putting them away from the boss, drop a marker down, and you kite the boss away, ranged classes with slows helps alot
mellow bridge
a druid with mass entangle makes the spit gold irrelevant
but yeah just drop a marker somewhere and tell people to drop it there
obv not too far away so people actually have the time to get there and not lose too much dps etc
stuff like mass entangle, frost nova, ring of peace and others make it quite easy to deal with
digital arrow
ah i' havent been lucky enough to get a druid yet
the fight feels pug-proof if i could just get everyone to drop gold in the right spot at the very beginning, then i could slowly kite boss and adds along the wall, all adds going in the same direction
then it wouldnt be a problem
even if its slow dps
young oasis
guys, on how many stacks to swap at heroic g'huun?
astral crystal
~4
as a prot warr i took the corruption cast and spell reflected every other one
making sure you time it so you have SR up for when it's time to clear stacks on blood feast
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I used to do the hard job of taking most of damage by taunting early to let off tank position the explosive orbs
neon tangle
How good is the crit trinket from Uldir
vocal nimbus
It may be the worst but dont forget that its by not a big margin
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guys should I start using mouseover taunt macro?
vocal nimbus
The trinket may be better thant the other options he has
@neon tangle its better if you post the trinkets options you consider using
neon tangle
Right, I got a 325 Rezan
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use rezan unless the other trinket is 30+ ilvl higher
neon tangle
It is exactly 30ilvl higher?
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more or less, depending on how good the other trinket actually is
vocal nimbus
Anyways, there isnt a crit trinket in uldir 🤔
The syringe i guess you mean
Syringe would be better than rezan in my opinion
gray wolf
vocal nimbus
In your case
vocal nimbus
I'd use the syringe over 325 rezans
steel mauve
Even though crit is our worst stat, dont just think its bad though, its actually really close to our other stats, just our other stats our slightly more desireable
If you got a syringe and your rezans is 325 i would probably go with syringe also
vocal nimbus
You can check skyhold.gg but its fairly new
The most in depth info you can find about prot warr is the icy veins guide
tank notes contain specific tips for tanking Uldir
trail yacht
ah ok. thank you! 😃
nocturne lichen
Hey ! With the talent "Into the fray", do we need to take a lot of haste on equipment ? can't we focus on versatility and mastery ?
weak zephyr
Haste is like omega crack for our class rn
steel mauve
Doesnt matter talents haste is still right behind ilvl
prisma crane
also @nocturne lichen ITF scales with haste, it's a % gain on top of base haste, not additive gain so the more haste you have the better it gets
nocturne lichen
Ty guys for those informations 😄
real thunder
So i'm in a bit of a dilemma, my only piece of armor that has DefCrash is my shoulders, but it's 325 ilvl. I have 340 ilvl shoulders that dont have that trait but i heard it was mandatory. Should i keep my 325 shoulder?
real thunder
k thx
simple mauve
What makes haste so good for warriors. Shield block cd?
I’m dumb nvm reading through icy veins guide
undone sun
lower CDs, lower GCDs, Rage gen, more control over own survivability
steel mauve
DC is worth 25 not 15
And i have like 14% haste but obvious answer is as much as you can get but i really wouldnt go under 10% it just doesnt feel good
steep grotto
who is the betters threats to war tank in order? ty
steel mauve
Hell i really didnt like it under 12% honestly
vocal nimbus
@steep grotto can you explain yourself better? 🤔
steel mauve
I dont understand that question
steep grotto
yes, I usually see there, I would just like to hear the opinion of you, but since they also follow the ice, I will too, thanks
steel mauve
Pretty much whats in that guide is agreed upon by the community as well
Minus a few of the inner ring traits some have personal preference
Like shimmering is listed as decent but ill almost always pick a different trait because i wont stand still in it for long
grim prism
vocal nimbus
We all follow the ice
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damn good luck trying to join a m+10 pug
people have descriptions like "only blood dk"
PepeHands
umbral raptor
I'm curious is the CoA trait from the 355 helm good till you get the BiS?
random basalt
I feel prot very weak compared to any other tank. What do you guys think? Just need some gear or there is really a big gap between the other tanks and warrior?
My DH at 320 felt much better than Prot in 340.
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I think you have to do no mistakes in order to perform on the same level as other tanks and its become a meme that prot warrs are terrible
Reason being people having a bad perception and avoiding prot tanks
fair brook
Dont be scared to use CD's, it feels better if you liberally use SW,LS
random basalt
Yeah, noticed I have to use all my CD-s on simple trashpacks
fair brook
trash is harder than most bosses
random basalt
I agree. King's Rest have some certain packs I hate so much.
Basicly a DPS check. The trash must die before I run out of CD-s
fair brook
I'm not a high key tank... only doing like 5's but even there, I have only a few wipes on bosses, where as trash has wiped our groups many, many times. SW on big trash pulls is a must. I think a lot of new prot tanks still save cd's for bosses
graceful mason
I end up using SW on large pulls during charge as that first alpha ends up dropping your hp so much more than anything later
Bosses even in tyran are predictable so you really only need shield blocks
sick sentinel
is this any good? ( and yeah do not mind the versa gem, I will put a 40 str there
ghuun trinket is really bad
undone sun
bandages also isn't too great
sick sentinel
its good for pvp 😄
random basalt
Is it worth to invest for the Blockades trinket?
Please dont give me the Sim yoself. I want your opinion not statistics
fair brook
Its not bad, its not great. it depends on your gold flow. 😃 If you're capped, sure, give it a shot
random basalt
Im sure its better than my current DPS trinkets 😄
fair brook
^ thats a total sim questiong
spice musk
Does the Trait Lifespeed stack? or shouldnt i take it twice?
steel mauve
First, prot cant sim themselves it doesnt work, second, blockades is a decent trinket, i still use it but i havent gotten a higher ilvl trinket to drop yet
@worldly ibex i would use the 350 ring, even if the stat is lower haste
undone sun
@spice musk all traits stack, it's not terrible but not worth taking over gemhide or ablative shielding
steel mauve
Dont we use haste gems over str gems too btw?
modern pulsar
Hey guys, i'm a raid leader and I'm looking for the best raid frame addon that is NOT ElvUI. Running bartender, kuinameplates, but want something other than blizzard ui for raid frames. Any recommendations?
steel mauve
i used to use either xperl (idk if its still updated) or later used shadow unit frames, before switching to elvui, i liked SUF a lot though
junior ivy
i want it so bad 😦
mellow bridge
@steel mauve i think x-perl is z-perl nowadays
mellow bridge
@random basalt In M+ trash is generally harder than most bosses unless it's a high tyrannical key
was the same in legion
You should often use LS as it's part of your rotation basically if you have bolster
and if you dont have bolster, time to take it
You just need to practice, if you feel better on your 320 dh than on your 340 prot it's simply you not playing well enough on the prot
For us it's all about proactively using our damage reduction to mitigate the damage
if you can't do that properly, you'll suffer
fair brook
Demo shoutin' for daaays
mellow bridge
I hate when i pug and I want to use spell reflect to reflect a big cast for big dmg
and then it gets kicked
solid mist
YUUUUP
mellow bridge
Like..it's great that they use their kicks
solid mist
haha
solid mist
so. only started prot at end of legion. looking for some good transmogs. WHat do people rock? looking through the sets the nighthold stuff looks sick. that soloable at 120 now?
fair brook
I still like the icy looking stuff from Wrath
mellow bridge
no idea if EN is soloable but farming legion mogs sucks anyway because of how loot works :/
legacy loot doesnt kick in until 11 lvls..
mellow bridge
that's the masterminds right?
mellow bridge
these on fortified
are so disgusting man
Motherlode with tyrannical feels really ez but with fortified really hard 😬
weary notch
just wait, next week is fortified / teeming
weary notch
which doesn't even make any sense. The mobs in motherlode are already too close together. Where are they going to put more?
no, seriously. Fort / Teeming / Quaking
weary notch
your first Heroic Throw is going to chain pull the whole dungeon
mellow bridge
How do you know the affixes for next week?
chilly brook
That’s a big oof
solid mist
level-an-alt-week
mellow bridge
yeah next week is gonna be hard
how long is a mythic season btw?
Until the next big patch hits?
dusky bronze
Hey, was considering picking up tanking again, how is prot now in bfa?
mellow bridge
Fun and playable
sick plinth
anyone got a weak aura to show when Jes howlers is off cooldown?
steel mauve
its easy to make
sick plinth
mind telling, not made many custom WAs
steel mauve
in the trigger tab, under type use status, under status use colldownprogress (item)
at the bottom is says show with a check box in that drop down use not on cooldown, and for the item type thje exact name
itll pop up when its off cd
the rest you can customize to your liking, making it glow, making a sound when it pops up, that kind of stuff
sick plinth
thank you
stone apex
Hello dearest wow community, I've recently joined your channel to get some things explained, I see alot of bad comments on the forums (not by any surprice however) But is Prot really that bad?
steel mauve
no its not
mellow bridge
Prot is the second worst tank but they're still completely playable in any content
stone apex
There's not the feeling "Being naked" whilst playing prot atm?
heavy chasm
Which is classified as the worst?
heavy chasm
Really? Wow
stone apex
I see.
mellow bridge
Warrior is a lot of work to play properly compared to something like a BDK
but it doesn't mean that we're unplayable
unless you want to push like a +15 key in the next week as an example I wouldnt worry
and if you were you prolly wouldnt be asking
stone apex
So they can tank +15 keys np?
heavy chasm
The only thing I don't like about my warrior is the fucking health pool
ember arrow
which is irrelevant
heavy chasm
It's pretty fucked up when things in dresses and shit have more life
fair brook
blizz breaking class flavor, bears should always have highest hp
ember arrow
stamina buff went from 55% to 25%
junior ivy
gratss
vale basalt
So.... Ive just been kicked out of my guild cause "prot warrior sucks" . Yeah it wasnt u suck it was prot warrior sucks. Even though i was the first one to lead a pug and clear the raid and half heroic
hot locust
I'm sorry and it probably hurts, but warrior isn't the problem just keep that in mind.
mild vigil
Got kicked out of a hc Zul pug for not soaking the blood pools... While the Crusher in on me. I think it's much better to have the Crusher near Zul (faced away) while some ranged dps is in pools, but they want me to use absorb shield etc. instead.
hot locust
That's a pretty next level strat, I wonder why no one else does it 🤔
mild vigil
I did it on the last pull
2 crushers alive at same time, boss got buffed. That's what I really got kicked for
(2 alive same time since it's not cleaved down near boss)
fair brook
We keep them mid and cleave them down, only focus them when second one spawns. First cast is delayed a bit anyway.
stone imp
Perhaps it's because your name is so similar to Zul, they assumed collusion
tawny lantern
hey guys wich chest from pvp has the DF trait?
chrome falcon
rapid mist
sick sentinel
can't be a coincidence atal'dazalor or w/e is the easiest mythic, semi-most common, as well as the best for loot for prot warrs.
mythc+
junior ivy
"easiest" ..........
steep lily
How many ilvl would you guys say a socket is worth on bracers?
trying to decide between 380 and 370 with socket haste vers/bracers
brittle geode
In my simming experience a socket is worth about 10 ilevels
steep lily
hmm ok
I'm thinking even more true on bracers were the ilvl upgrade is only 2 haste and 4 vers for 10 ilvl...
brittle geode
I think one socket with a 40 gem is more offensive stats than 10 ilevels, i was simming with +30 gems and it was 10 ilvls. That's not including the armor/stam boost which is more relevant for tanks than dps though
mystic trellis
Has the whole active mitigation thing been scrapped for bfa dungeon bosses?
As in it being a requirement to be up or youll get hit extra
sick sentinel
atal'dazalor IS easy. just the last boss is a DPS check.
else get flooded with spiders.
I almost always run with 1-2 rogues with my mythics group.
@brittle geode ilvl is king dude, we do everything for ilvl, need to get that str boy
steel mauve
well youll die if you dont do well with your active mitigations, unless you're asking if there are any active mitigation checks like have an active up or get a nasty dot inwhich case there are no AM checks currently, just abilities that hit extra hard with out them
sick sentinel
Well with SBx3 then LS and then SBx3 you pretty much have always AM active
steel mauve
ya they havent added any so far, just shit that hurts a lot more if you dont have an active up like the gold claws in ataldazar, or on rezan as well
sick sentinel
Just use the dungeon WAs and they will tell you everything
thorny pumice
Is there recommended DPS classes to bring for M+? I'm mostly an arms warrior but pretty good at prot and just spent an hour in a +6 shrine with a frost mage, fury warrior and ww monk and we struggled on trash and bosses
sick sentinel
There are mechanics that are "you healer will hate you unless you use some kind of AM here"
static pilot
Depends on the dungeon tbh.
steel mauve
rogues always a good choice, especially in tol unless you have keys to unlock doors and stuff
sick sentinel
Depends on the dungeon definitely
static pilot
Underrot is a lot easier with a ret pally etc
sick sentinel
I like bringing a rogue and mage
static pilot
I always try to fit at least one battle rez class
thorny pumice
Yeah, our mage was Brazilian so I think the language barrier definitely screwed us as he basically blew up trash packs where he had CDa and we took a bunch of stacks
worldly ibex
I like bringing mages and mb boomkins
sick sentinel
What healer did you have?
thorny pumice
Resto druid
static pilot
Clearly he does or he wouldn't have asked
daring marlin
resto druid needs to git gud I guess
sick sentinel
I run with a holy pala and we either pull 1 pack at a time or pull everything, depending on his CDs
daring marlin
Virtue so gud
thorny pumice
I normally have an hpally or a disc priest but both were afk so the druid was a last resort
And I guess I was skeptical seeing some comments earlier in the week with prot warriors saying their druids were QQing about healing them lol
sick sentinel
Pulling the whole room of the third boss in manor (the fat one )feels sooooo good
Resto droods and prots do not go well together
sick sentinel
Pala healers on the other hand
mystic trellis
What about disc and prot? I feel that is terrible
thorny pumice
My wife is a disc priest and I dont have much of an issue
mystic trellis
Disc is still more absorb focused right?
sick sentinel
I know when we are in a bad shape when he is spamming shadowmend
No disc is focused on doing dps
steel mauve
idk ive had better luck with druids, had one heal for me that ive never felt safer, my worst healers are usually disc priests, and thats still good players in guild, i just dont do well in 5 mans with disc's
mystic trellis
Oh yeah im talkin dungeons too
sick sentinel
When the disc has the right traits and he has to heal maximum 3 people he is doing as much dps an actual damage dealer
Add prot warrior damage on top of that
5dps comp
crude iris
I have a question about a macro I made and if it's good or not.
#showtooltip Shield Block
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/cast Shield Block
undone sun
definitely shouldn't do that
crude iris
That's what I figured
undone sun
you want to use Demo shout pretty much on CD and you'll be wasting SB stacks
crude iris
I was trying to find a way to ensure that demo would always be on cd so it's almost a failsafe
granite vale
Hello there
guys there is nothing mention about the Lingering Sporepods trinket from underrot is it that bad?
undone sun
yes
granite vale
i c:(
crude iris
Now what's best for leveling, arms or fury?
undone sun
prot ¯_(ツ)_/¯
crude iris
really?
ember arrow
tanks are usually best for leveling
crude iris
just because you can pull a lot? I've never actually leveled as prot
pliant vortex
Hey y'all, I got a 380 Vanquished Tendril of G'huun tonight from the weekly... is it worth replacing my 340 Jes' Howler with it?
steel mauve
we do a fuck ton of dmg and can puyll half a zone and not die, so we're pretty good for leveling
dull pilot
need some advice
just got this trinket what should i replace it with
i am thinking spore
delicate tide
replace sporepod
steel mauve
ya sporepod blows
dull pilot
yea thats what i was thinking the haste n the new ones would be better
dull pilot
ah nice
pearl chasm
yo so
how are prot warriors right now?
for raid and m+, dps and survivability?
or DH?
i'm feeling like leveling a second tank after my protidin and i'm not sure what to play
sick sentinel
are you mythic raider or pushing high keys?
steel mauve
they are viable in mythic and high keys
sick matrix
oof, the shadowy tentacles in Shrine are not always easy to see
hazy path
is it worth dropping 15 ilvls on a ring to gain 240 haste 110 crit (secondry)(other ring thats higher ilvl is 168 crit 211 mastery)
next sable
Did stat weights change for prot warriors recently?
steel mauve
we dont have stat weights, and stat priority didnt change
next sable
🤔
hazy path
there just isn't a way to sim and supposedly stats are super close
but haste is mostlikley better so fk ilvl
steel mauve
there is no working sim module, therefor you cant give an accurate number to our stat weights, so there cant be any stat weights or pawn string, and if any one says they have them they are flat our wrong and cant be determined to be accurate to use
hazy path
yeah
steel mauve
imo thats a fuck ton of haste for an item slot that doesnt have str or armor on it
but idk ifm its worth dropping 15 ilvls, all that stam, idk what ilvl is worth on rings accurately
hazy path
yeah same but since its a ring haste might be worth the stam difference :S
amber siren
Stamina isn't the reason we chase ilvl, all stats are good for us so it's not ideal to drop stats for a marginally 'better' stat
15 ilvl is too much
steel mauve
losing 50 of our worse stat, and gaining 30 more of our best stat than our tied second best though
at best he would be gaining 20 more of a stat that is lowest priority but still close to our other 3 stats
and just losing how ever much stam
and as far as total stat budget goes, the 15ilvl ring is a gain of 29 secondary stats + the stam total stat budget
dull pilot
i know this is not tank related but i am in charge of fests where do u lot farm your midnight salmon ?
open bluff
I farm them off the auction house
dull pilot
lol ok
cloud bone
I just fish off the coast of Xibala cus you get slimy mackrel and can use those on haste food when you don't have feasts
cloud bone
oh are you horde?
jolly socket
Yeah
cloud bone
oh fish in the ocean in zuldazar somewhere you could probably go to the bottom of your capital city and fish there
jolly socket
Aight I'll give it a go, ty :). I generally just fish next to the trainer so I can nab the catfish at the same time.
dull pilot
think i will fish for redtail loach and frenzied fang and try to get midnight also
i plan on makeing feasts
compact spade
how is prot doing in higher keys
next sable
How are you guys handling Shrine of Storms with bursting lol
dull pilot
pull smart have dps with brains so u dont go ver 5 stacks
amber siren
having high stacks is fine if you're smart with cooldowns
you just can't stagger bursting
10 stacks for 4 seconds is fine
6 for 2, 7 for 3, 8 for 2 etc etc will kill you
undone sun
no
mystic trellis
The wowhead dungeon guides are confusing. They all basically say to interrupt every possible cast like its realistic lol
why cant they say which are more important
dull pilot
in combat with in to the fray i have 60%
in legion there was no point going over 30%
is that still the case
for shield block
mystic trellis
Pretty sure there wasnt in legion either
undone sun
^ it wasn't
dull pilot
so whats the haste % gorl
undone sun
there isn't one, breakpoints aren't a thing and there's no reachable soft/hard cap
vivid sage
Stop when you get 100% haste
undone sun
so just as legion, follow the stat priority by ilevel>haste>mastery>=verse
dull pilot
that seams wrong but ok
mystic trellis
Feelycrafting
dull pilot
i hvae
have
everytime i see you talk thyme it sounds bitchy to me is this discord not ment to help and talk about things to aid warriors ?
grave grove
thyme is one of the only people who helps in here
consistently
if you want to attack him personally you are barking up the wrong tree
mystic trellis
I mean he answered your question that is in the guide twice
tiny sphinx
ppl much smarter than you wrote the guide
dull pilot
are you calling me stupid ?
tiny sphinx
so just go by the guide
ember arrow
🍿
sick sentinel
I tried an underrot 5+ tonight- I tanked slug pukey boy between the bones and tried to keep him there when he wasn’t charging the middle. I was top DPS or second DPS most pulls before we folded.
Was I not keeping the boss where I should have? It just felt like a rough fight- maybe the DPS wasn’t there?
ember arrow
between bones you mean, you dragged him to a wall?
sick sentinel
Yeah!
ember arrow
thats good
sick sentinel
Sorry that wasn’t clear
ember arrow
did your teammates stomp out the worms asap?
sick sentinel
Yeah and we did fine until he runs to the middle and goes ape shit
It overwhelmed us
sick sentinel
Also- when he pukes- if he’s pointed at a wall, can you completely avoid the cone? I felt I got clipped by it a few times
ember arrow
i believe he follows u while casting
the time between the casts is long, so there is plenty of time to use cds
if necessary
sick sentinel
Thanks. I did a lot of keys in legion, lived in the 17-19 range- but babies have kept me super casual this xpac and I’m just not as sure of myself yet in these dungeons
sick sentinel
I need to run more keys, which will happen- but until then any good dungeon guides on YouTube? I used to use thorough tank but I don’t think his will be out anytime soon
ember arrow
fatboss has some good ones
its not super detailed, but its a good place to start at least
on wowhead there is a detailed desc of all trash, bosses too
sick sentinel
Ok cool. Thanks man. Anyone who uses Joey tribani as an avatar is good people
ember arrow
depends in what channel im posting
steel mauve
i mean thyme did answer your questions and then you told him it sounds wrong.... and then he said read the guides
ember arrow
feelycraft>maths
sick sentinel
Other seasonings and herbs > Thyme
mystic trellis
rip
sick sentinel
Thyme has spent too much time in the DH discord and became toxic 😂
ember arrow
sick sentinel
I just can’t understand not loving him for that emote alone
dull pilot
dh discord would do that, for sure
ember arrow
im only there for the nsfw channel tbh
tiny sphinx
I picture Thyme both looking and sounding like an older, aged Double D
dull pilot
i am 45 years of age 😉
i did not think what he said was wrong i only ment that haveing no cap felt wrong
ember arrow
so saying "there is no cap" is basically correct
dull pilot
guide
i get it just wanted to make sure u new i was not atting him or saying he was wrong
just chating and releaning warrior
ember arrow
im still wondering what feels wrong about having no cap
since all of legion there wasnt one either
for haste at least
dark junco
Anyone know where I could have seen it ? a m+ with like 12h into it ?
Was it here ?
dull pilot
outch
dark junco
yup
steel mauve
haste just doesnt lose value with the more you get which is why there really arent any caps for it
it may, but not enough to devalue it from other stats
i have paid much attention to DR values
havent*
prisma crane
breakpoints are typically something you see for dps where you need to fit abilities within a time frame
when that scenario doesnt exist, breakpoints dont exist
steel mauve
^
stable elm
Hey, anyone have wa for avoidable frontal attacks in bfa dungeons?
fathom marten
Hey you guys mind looking over my logs ? I dont think lmany people are getting answered on log review.
hot locust
Im at work atm but I'll try to pass it on that log review needs a bit more attention.
fathom marten
my guild and I are slightly above casual players. Just trying to get the normal mythrax down. I'm thinking some healing is the issue and dps is low. What do you guys thihnk? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VjmwMv1AkWpqGrd8/
steel mauve
3 MW's and a pally?
some slow deaths, 30 seconds and only 50k healing received, thats really low for a singular person, taking triple that amount in damage taken and just dieing
adds stayed up for a little bit into p1
means dps is low for the add phase, make sure you burn 1 add, then burn visions while cleaving the second big add, but also putting 2 dps on the second big add with the tank for an interrupt order
fathom marten
Yeah we are having some strange healer problems
We have like 6 people that want to heal and no one has a dps spec idk why
So we were trying to work with what we got. Will just have to recruit diffrent healers
Thank you though I appreciate the feed back @steel mauve
If anyone else wants to chime in go ahead
steel mauve
ya some one whos less busy than i am, thats just what i noticed at a glance, im in the middle of raid lol
fathom marten
no worries no worries
steel mauve
there IS a huge disparity between top and bottom damage done to visions though during p2
worldly ibex
rerolls into prot warr this xpac
gets denied in every uldir pug
cries
vale gorge
I think the healers are not necessarily the problem
it looks like you have some people with very low DPS
causing lots of adds in p2 to stay alive and mind flay people without getting interrupted
some people are getting very high annihilation stacks as well without clearing them
steel mauve
ya, adds can be interrupted, or stunned which is very important, and it looked like p2 dps is pretty low, like tanks beating or keeping up with dps on the adds
sick sentinel
does Resounding protection stack?
undone sun
just about every trait stacks, resounding's shield stacks
mystic trellis
Reloe's dungeon auras are the way to go right
frail dagger
How is prot comparing to other tanks right now, such as brewmaster? I’m wanting to main swap cause brm is super boring.
crystal night
Do it. Go against fotm wanna bes and play a REAL tank
😜
But if you're someone who is brainwashed by community perception then prot is not for you
frail dagger
Well my thing is, I don’t plan to raid mythic. I do push keys, if they are looking solid I would main swap, just haven’t played on in a while. Based off of logs they look solid.
crystal night
Dk would be best for keys imo or DH
Prot is a bit more difficult in keys compared to the grip boys ( DH dk )
frail dagger
Yeah.. no one wants to play a dk though. Lol
crystal night
But if you're up for the challenge then do prot war
The AoE damage is nutty
Best AoE fps tanks in game imo
Dps
frail dagger
I’m mostly curious for raiding, as I can always switch to arms and let my buddy dh tank.
Maybe I’ll try it. I just get bored raid tanking as a brew, since you really only have to manage your brews it gets boring at times.
hexed drum
Same for me ... i havent player since BC. Was a prot war all the time and MT of the guild. swapped to arms cause of the perception for BFA... most boring thing I have done. Dps is SO BORING !
Rolled back to prot ... nobody was trusting me for pug raid or m5+ (and up)... well the raid I led and tanked first pulled the first 5 bosses and it was fun playing a real class again.
But the community still thinks prot wawa is not worthy cause the high-end guilds don’t do it...
Prot war is so amazing. You have to think about 10 things at a time
Care for everything around
I love it
But I still don’t think I play it well cause in m+ I sometimes loose threat on 1 mob on multiple packs
unkempt fox
hey guys wanna go farm 2nd trinket, should i go for jes howler or rezan?
steel mauve
howler
unkempt fox
thanks
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/sense is Sense using that trinket (Disc of Systematic Regression) for real?is it good?
prisma crane
for dmg, yea
aoe in M+ yo
there arent many, if any, "tank" trinkets, so choose the one that gives the most dmg boost
prisma crane
does it do that dmg to all targets?
undone sun
Developer’s notes -- These two trinkets now deal 15% more damage for each additional target they hit, up to 75% increased damage if at least 6 targets are hit. The damage is still split among all targets. Their tooltips will not reflect this change until corrected in a future patch.```
errant oriole
hi all
prisma crane
solid dmg then in aoe
undone sun
tooltips don't get changed from hotfixes, they have to push it with a patch
errant oriole
i am curious and idk if this is the right channel to ask but how are prot warriors doing in uldir?
norm / heroic
prisma crane
all tanks are doing fine in normal / heroic
errant oriole
ah ok thank you 😄
prisma crane
yup
errant oriole
sorry for the "duh" question lol
prisma crane
it's alright
also, if you have more, i recommend reading the pins
a lot of the typical ones are covered there or in the thorough IV guide
errant oriole
oh ok thank you!
prisma crane
yup!
fringe marten
method at ghunn yet?
amber siren
I don't think they've killed Mythrax yet
fickle kiln
33% haste. Is there a point where I should slowly move away from haste ?
sick sentinel
no
random basalt
@mellow bridge yeah, maybe DH just forgiving for mistakes while Prot doesnt. Still I think warriors deserve some buff.
sick sentinel
prot doesnt need buffs
fickle kiln
Prot needs Blood Rage back 😃
prisma crane
prot needs something though, not necessarily a throughput/DR buff
sick sentinel
Make warriors summon!
random basalt
It may be just my opinion but warrior seems to punish every mistake while other tanks dont do that
Tried monk, druid, dh, dk so far, no idea about paladin
healers always struggling with a warrior tank - noticed while I was DD
peak compass
Imo biggest problem is u cant gain threat while using defensive abilities
Use avatar, demo, IP and the enemy is like kbye i kill healer
Maybe a cool solution would be if Revenge was off gcd / off gcd on proc
surreal maple
Lol threat generation is not aproblem for us at all
Taunt as you charge and thunderclap before a demo shout if that is a problem
peak compass
I feel like dps is often pulling aggro from me in m+ when going into a pack
fickle kiln
yeah gotta waste shockwave to keep the warbreaker arm warrior to not get one shotted
surreal maple
Well this week is skittish, and ic you don't have a hunter/ rougue on your side ur dps should hold a sec
sick sentinel
bandages are still bad after the 190% buff?
hazy path
Ignore pain of the gcd pls. somebody tell them.
I'm ok with all warrior things but gcd changes imo hit prot the most IP should be treated like isb or sb
stray wedge
@sick sentinel yes still bad
main vault
It's treated like every other heal is treated
hazy path
Yeah i get the logic I'm talking from an enjoyment standpoint the decision making between revenge and ignore pain doesn't need a pause imo and thus it feels shit for me to pause for it, but maybe i'm still stuck to IP of legion
summer kestrel
next goblet
i actually got used to IP on gcd, especially since its not our main source of mitigation
silk mortar
That would be op.
next goblet
i look at it in comparison to pally tanks
still want devastator to be baseline..
or at least devastator to compete with BV..
hushed swallow
Is avoidance worth 5 ilvls?
mellow bridge
prolly depends on the other secondaries
cosmic cargo
and even raids not all bosses have impactful abilities affected by it
like fetid the stomp is not that big of a deal
hexed drum
A talent for a cleaving SS would be good
sick sentinel
I don't think IP should be on the GCD. Like people already said, there's enough decision-making between that and revenge already with our reduced rage. I do feel like in heroic raids (I will go into mythic tonight or tomorrow, only for Taloc) could use it off the gcd. It's punishing to have it on the gcd, especially on fights with adds that need to be picked up for example. In general I do feel like the raid is fast-paced enough for it to be fair off the gcd. IP is not as reactive as it once was with its nerf, and it kind of a thing you want up quite a lot. Or at least that was my impression from the raid so far, especially with all these rolling magic debuffs. For mythic+ it feels more natural to have it on the gcd, but I'm worried about the spec for mythic raiding. It's just not fast-paced enough, and what some of you said that it's then more punishing, because the bosses do hit quite fast or apply debuffs quite fast here. I don't mind playing a punishing spec, but this feels awkward more than punishing.
hexed drum
I don’t know. It took me a while but I kinda feel like my mitigation is good enough to handle boss mechanics.
Now some trash packs feel problematic when the dps arent focusing
sick sentinel
I'm just worried that if I wait too long with deciding if I think it's in a good enough spot for raiding or not, it'll be my gear talking instead of my spec.
And I'm also torn because I think prot is both fun and just fine for mythic plus
hexed drum
Yeah but people like trashing us even though they know little
sick sentinel
Oh yes
fresh dragon
yo. on pin do we have the azirite BIS locations?
vocal nimbus
yes
obsidian siren
Tbh I hear a lot of non warriors yapping "IP IP IP" but Imo it's nothing compared to SR. SR was murdered
uneven mason
SR went back to how it was (slightly better)
Wouldn't it be nice, if we had something like, "For 5 seconds after SR, IP absorbs double magic damage"
it wouldn't be a huge shift
since IP is so small
obsidian siren
That does sound real nice. But why would we need magic mitigation? There's no magic dmg anymore LULZ
uneven mason
0_o
fickle kiln
you havent raided?
primal crypt
....
obsidian siren
Sarcasm anyone?
fickle kiln
Vek' is 50% magic dmg
primal crypt
Negi almost got nailed to the cross LUL
uneven mason
DON'T SARCASIM WITH ME BOY, I"LL TRIGGER ON YOUR ASS
obsidian siren
😂
fickle kiln
They just need to mod devestate
uneven mason
Devastate - your next IP is 100% stronger, based on missing health
obsidian siren
I'm real pissed at what blizz did with magic damage
primal crypt
They just need IP to heal us to full every time we press it
fickle kiln
Im fine with IP as it is
primal crypt
That would make it worth
uneven mason
We'd still die because people would forget to press it
primal crypt
you're right lol
fickle kiln
like where does that absorb mechancism come out from
obsidian siren
Prot warrior with a 2 hander
fickle kiln
thats pally
obsidian siren
Absorb coming from our massive balls
fickle kiln
we should be all about block and armor mitigation
obsidian siren
And a special armor buff if we're fighting naked
primal crypt
I'm done....
fickle kiln
the demo shout makes more sense than before. But IP just seems like a paladin or DK mechanic
obsidian siren
Well tbh, with IP as it is, blocking and armor really are the stars of the show
IP is for a little viking-ish flavor of fighting through pain
fickle kiln
Id like something to generate rage when theres no target up. Like liquidify phase for soaking blood pools. Cant pop IP cuz no rage cuz no target. RIP
knotty ermine
Tbh I wouldn't hate IP if it was max power from a single cast
if they changed only that, and left everything else as-is, I would be content.
knotty ermine
no rage cost would be wierd and silly since rage (either generating or spending) drives everything you do as a warr
obsidian siren
Bigger CD with no rage cost would make it a small DS
fickle kiln
rev and sb already cost rage
knotty ermine
Casting revenge when it costs rage 🤔
fickle kiln
put dev back with rage cost but added effect
aint gonna wait for rev procs to keep 3 stacks of azerite trait
fickle kiln
yeah theres none in uldir
kek
not like we can get offpiece azerite slots cuz they force us to pick those.
knotty ermine
Why not?
fickle kiln
they replace tier sets with azerite armor
but before you could go zero tier pieces and still be decent
now youre force to use that 340 DC over any other
gotta wait for that weekly cache chance to get your BIS azerite pieces
fickle kiln
to lose Defening crash?
knotty ermine
I have DC it on my shoulders
blissful stirrup
hmm well why cant we get like the swap on ragebar. so it work like energy insted then. then you almost have rage all the time. as munk and so on.
knotty ermine
Cept A'D 😦
ran a 12 in time the other night, but hit an absolute brick wall with Yazma
well
the group did, I didn't
fresh dragon
earthquake +
fickle kiln
they should just put head, chest, shoulder with no azerite traits so we can get em for stats
fresh dragon
and i dont how to translate
knotty ermine
they were struggling with making it 5 or so minute without eating a spider, since they 1 shot at that level
fresh dragon
earthquake + (more adds afflix) 😄
fickle kiln
feelsbad to go from a 340 with DC to a 370 with Bloodsport
knotty ermine
pretty huge str/stam/armor buff at least
fickle kiln
yeah
knotty ermine
You don't have any other DC pieces you could rotate in somewhere else?
Guess I've just been lucky idk. That and I have been hoarding all my azerite pieces 340 and up (cept dupes) for swapping and also whenever they decide to nerf/buff traits
knotty ermine
I meant diff slots. Or are all your azerite pieces 370
ember arrow
isnt that another guy
severe pewter
got trinket of warfront world boss (370), is it any good at all for DPS? got Kraulok's as well (355), using that and blockades right now
fresh dragon
last week i was thinking about suicide 😄
topaz hedge
How do you guys feel generally with your Prot warriors? i used to play prot warrior, but started out this expansion with DH instead cause of all the doom and gloom. Currently in Uldir im shitting my pants very often cause of the ammount of damage im taking, and im starting to regret my DH choice a bit.
cinder bridge
ember arrow
for raids monk
if u picked dh for general purpose and u thought it was great in raids
u didnt inform about the class
my cotank is a dh, and hes doing great, but its not like u go in and rek the bosses
topaz hedge
Only issue i am having is just that im taking a bit too muich damage at times
So i have to run with the second life talent
or else im just done.
And im starting to feel the fact that DH don't have many own defensives.
steel mauve
Dh is a lot worse than warrior qhen it comes to dmg intake, which has been said a ton, so thats kind of on you...
Warriors are extremely strong in mitigation and take the least amount of damage than any other tank, monks are just smoother and easier to heal
topaz hedge
Ofc 😛 i just swapped cause of the shear ammount of negativity that was happening prior to release. And i swapped not to play "the best" but to play what "felt good to play"
Problem is, im starting to feel bad cause im dying a shit ton, or almost dying a shit ton and i don't have any real ways to solve it without external cds
steel mauve
I feel really good tanking in uldir right now, only times i have an issue are fights where i need to set up an external rotation fetid and dont fucking get it when i call for it 😡
solid mist
give us dual-wield shield bilzzard! you cowards!
obsidian siren
Technically, atm our best weapon is our feet
solid mist
🤔 .... 😂
hexed drum
hahaha
ionic ridge
Guys, are logs any relevant on prot ?
Trying to figure out a way to improve
But not really sure how to
(mainly for m+)
obsidian siren
logs are always useful
they need more effort for tanks, but they're always useful
solid mist
I'm a patchwork mess. Just pug raids. So I have the g'huun shield and rocking some 325 WQ trinket 😂
steel mauve
Logs give you a ton of information to improve, from active uptime on buffs to missing a shield block and dieing
solid mist
yeah never used em for m+, but in legion it was good for me to find gaps in mitigation and match taht with spikes
I mean, the downside is you can't just say "eh, garbage healers" instead it's "oh wow... I should probably have hit a button here"
ionic ridge
Thnx, I'm not really fond of blaming others unless I'm 100% sure I've done all I could to prevent a situation
solid mist
I was joking 😉