protection

[prisma crane]

no

[mellow bridge]

You just gotta get into a good flow to not waste any time

[prisma crane]

not really

[mellow bridge]

No

[prisma crane]

the only "jumps" happen with affixes

and this week they arent bad

[mellow bridge]

The first spike is at 4 because of the affix

^

[weak zephyr]

Ic

[mellow bridge]

Each level adds the same power as the previous one afaik

Some just add an affix

If you can handle a 2, you can do a 3 probably

[prisma crane]

yep, but it's multiplicative

[mellow bridge]

If you can do a 5, you can do a 6 probably

[weak zephyr]

So what's like the ilvl I should be looking for, for people wanting to do like a 2

[mellow bridge]

What's your ilvl

[weak zephyr]

345

[prisma crane]

start there

[mellow bridge]

That's plenty

To get started with

[upbeat folio]

325-330 is fine for a +2.

You could go lower with a better group.

[mellow bridge]

+5 rewards 355 ilvl as a comparison

[upbeat folio]

Yeah, honestly, you outpace your rewards if you start late.

[mellow bridge]

So if you're like 10 ilvl below you shouldn't struggle too much if you know what to do

[weak zephyr]

Ic

[mellow bridge]

Which is where guides come in handy

I've liked the method guides on Youtube

They have one for each dungeon

Short and explains every important trash mob and the bosses

[upbeat folio]

kinesthetic learning, imo

[weak zephyr]

How does this whole like raider.io thing work

[mellow bridge]

If your run is in the top x runs in that dungeon for that week

You get points for it

It only counts the best run for each dungeon

And then all of your best run scores are added together and that's your raider score

[jovial reef]

if you have the addon you can also let's say fail a 1 key and it will still be counted and give you points

[mellow bridge]

You have to scan your character for that tho

On their site

[jovial reef]

actually 2 is the lowest right?

[mellow bridge]

And update regularly

Yes

[prisma crane]

there are some servers where you can fail a 2 and it'll count

[jovial reef]

but yeah the addon gives you a score based on your m+ experience

[mellow bridge]

I just scan my character once a day after I'm done for the day

[weak zephyr]

Ic

[prisma crane]

it's also easier to get the run to count earlier in the week than later

[jovial reef]

in time is worth a lot more than high untimed keys

[weak zephyr]

Are there any completely essential Addons I should have

[mellow bridge]

Then there's an addon for wow

[weak zephyr]

For like mythic plus

[mellow bridge]

Which makes it so that you can hover people

And see their score

[jovial reef]

cc trackers

[weak zephyr]

Aside from like dbm

[mellow bridge]

Works for group finder etc too

[jovial reef]

m+ key trackers

m+ % tracker

that's about it

[mellow bridge]

Interrupt tracker is the most important thing imho

[jovial reef]

^

[mellow bridge]

There's a rly good WA for it

[weak zephyr]

Oh yeah in mythic plus you have to clear trash

To complete it

[mellow bridge]

But I'm on mobile atm so cba to look it up atm sorry :P

[weak zephyr]

Yeah I saw someone post it here before

Gotta scroll up for it

[mellow bridge]

And yeah you have to clear trash

Some add-ons show you how much each one is worth

I think angry keystones does it at least

[weak zephyr]

https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz

[mellow bridge]

As a tank people will expect of you to have a decent route planned

Doesn't have to be perfect

But they might get annoying if you mess up

Just ignore em

Trial. And error

[prisma crane]

not to mention that comp can affect route

[weak zephyr]

Yeah that's kind of how I did my actual first mythics

[mellow bridge]

And yeah that's the WA I meant

[weak zephyr]

Look mostly retarded but then learned from it

[mellow bridge]

Kicking in m+ is SUPER important

[jovial reef]

yeah kick the healer 😡

[mellow bridge]

Need to learn what is important and kick it the higher you go

On a +3 it won't matter too much

On a +10 one missed kick and group is dead

[jovial reef]

do low keys to learn which trash mobs to pull

then learn affixes

then do high keys

[weak zephyr]

Do I have to have the method addon or is that just a meme

[mellow bridge]

But just start it slow

Slowly work your way up and enjoy

[prisma crane]

the method addon does a LOT but you dont need it, no

[mellow bridge]

Method addon is just if you want to plan exact routes

Personally I enjoy m+ a lot more than raids

[jovial reef]

the higher keys you do the more "exact" people expect you to run the dungeon

[mellow bridge]

Would be a shame to not try it out properly

[weak zephyr]

I like raids. I've never pugged one though, so I guess I'll dip my feet into the world of mythic+

I need that loot.

[jovial reef]

btw the best thing you can do is as always do it in a guild

if you have even a single dps or healer on comms they can teach you in no time

[weak zephyr]

Yeah I was thinking of going with my guild for the first time.

[mellow bridge]

Once the affixes kick in, it's really fun to try out different methods to handle them

With different groups

Different skips

Maybe one group one route is better, diff group another one

A lot of fun to just try stuff

[brave jetty]

I usually take a run or two in M0 or low keys to get a feel for the dungeon in general, then I maybe fast forward through a video of it on a very high key to see if there are any major places where people deviate, then I fine tune and start doing more challenging keys

[mellow bridge]

And some dungeons are really cool, it's a shame that heroic is worthless so most people don't get to experience em properly

[brave jetty]

It's not nothing though, I try to get to an extremely precise level of competence with one or two additional dungeons each week, and I kinda avoid the ones I'm less sure about in the meantime

So you sort of just slowly expand your portfolio of dungeons that you know routes for inside and out

At least that's an approach that works for me

[mellow bridge]

Speaking about portfolio and routes..

Anyone got a nice Boralus route 👀

Not sure what to skip and what not

[prisma crane]

watch jdotb stream

[jovial reef]

i run with 2 rogues so we skip p much the whole place shrugs

[prisma crane]

he does M+ all the time, answers TONS of questions, and he's really good

[mellow bridge]

I just subbed to his channel earlier on YouTube

[weak zephyr]

@mellow bridge thx for the guidance.

[mellow bridge]

After watching his +16 vid

No problem mate

[junior ivy]

anyone know why i get DCed like every time i hearth

or like 50% of the time when i take a portal or accept a summon?

[broken kite]

Change your hearth location?

[warm rover]

365 Kraulok's Claw, or 340 Rezan's Gleaming Eye, or 350 Incessantly Ticking Clock

Claw has a 40 haste gem in it

[midnight citrus]

Are there any Pawn custom strings floating around that are accurate? I don't trust the one on Noxxic.

[steel mauve]

first of all, never trust noxxic

second of all, never trust any pawn string for prot, we dont have working sims therefor no reliably accurate strings

[midnight citrus]

I get that stat weight is relative but anything is better than the default pawn string

[prisma crane]

not using one is also better

[steel mauve]

^

our stat priority is easy

[prisma crane]

dont be lazy with literally one of the easiest gear rules around

[midnight citrus]

Haste over all yes

[prisma crane]

no

[steel mauve]

ilvl > haste

[prisma crane]

ilvl over all

[steel mauve]

only time you follow the priority is same ilvl gear, or rings

[prisma crane]

if you want to be afk with gear choice, just always use highest ilvl

you'll be better off with that than pawn

[midnight citrus]

Alright thanks for the help. I just have trouble with things 5 ilvl apart and the lower one has haste while the higher one has crit or something

[prisma crane]

more nuanced answer for that, use haste item there if ring, use ilvl item if armor

[steel mauve]

if its any thing with arm/str on it then 5 ilvl is an upgrade outside of sockets

sockets are worth i think 10 ilvls

[prisma crane]

yea i've seen 5-10 number floating around

[kind urchin]

Even rings if they're 10-15 ilvls apart I'd go ilvl just for the stam and pure amount of stats difference.

[limber rivet]

did someone like...start the animation for shield slam and then just never finish it and blizz was like yeah sure whatever, put it in the game

[ember arrow]

what?

[twin hazel]

we need +10 or 15 this week?

[mellow bridge]

10 is the new cap

[junior ivy]

+10

thank god. i couldnt handle a +15

[mellow bridge]

Pretty sure a 10 now is the equivalent to a 15 in Legion, isn't it?

Purely % increase wise

[green isle]

no

it's still 1.1x

it was 1.07x in early legion, i don't remember which patch it was changed

[mellow bridge]

I read that somewhere but I guess it was wrong

Not that it really matters

[upbeat folio]

I think I tipped. Snored through a +7. I'm a warrior again!

[undone sun]

they changed at least twice

[green isle]

ye it was also changed very early on in legion but i don';t know what it was before the change

[ruby lantern]

Hey all, struggling to decide what to use for tanking. a 340 that gives Haste and Vers, or a 360 that gives crit, mastery, with a bonus of avoidance, along with some extra health and armor because of the higher Ilvl

[open bluff]

360

Don't sacrifice ilvl for haste on armor

[cinder nova]

More stats > better stats

[green isle]

secondary stats are good, but not good enough to drop str/stam/armour for

[ruby lantern]

Even though it's two worst stats for prot?

[cinder nova]

Yes.

[green isle]

yes

[cinder nova]

Stats are so close that it doesn't really matter that much.

[green isle]

i'd make the change even if it was 5-10 ilvls, let alone 20

[cinder nova]

^

[ruby lantern]

Yeah I suppose. I'm usually at 30% haste with Into the Fray talent

[cinder nova]

A pair of crit/mast boots at 345 > 340 haste/vers boots

[ruby lantern]

Got it, thanks for the tip. I equipped them but wanted to make sure I wasn't losing survivability

[regal star]

Hey guys learning prot just after a bit of general guidance on talents, stat weights and traits

[green isle]

there are good guides in the pinned messages

[regal star]

how do i check them sorry would have looked straight away if i knew lol good name btw :p

[green isle]

top right of discord there's a pin icon

all important messages go in there

[regal star]

o sweet will check them now thanks dude 😃

[junior ivy]

buying a wireless headset is like the best thing ive done in wow

[undone sun]

lol

definitely has some advantages

[junior ivy]

i can put my dog back on my bed when he jumps off without having to take headphones and mic off 😄

and he wants to get on my bed like 5+ times during an average raid

[steel mauve]

i had to get a wireless headset because my cats a chicken shit and afraid of every thing and would lay on my lap, have the cord around him a bit and freak out and drag the headset off my head destroying it against the floor

[granite sonnet]

Is prot warrior or pally better right now?

[pseudo robin]

p a l l y

[steel mauve]

vague question

[undone sun]

better at what

[inland mesa]

streaming mythic mother as prot if people want to see, under prot warrior on twitch 😄

[junior ivy]

can i use spoell reflect on anyhting oin zekov heroic

?

[brave jasper]

yep

[junior ivy]

which part

[steel mauve]

void lashs

[brave jasper]

use you own brain not hard

[steel mauve]

preferrably the second one in the combo

[junior ivy]

shatter?

not void lash?

[steel mauve]

shatter is physical...

[junior ivy]

and why do you gotta be mean about it sora? void lash sounds like spell damage not physical

and shatter sounds mor elike physical

but shatter is the second one

void lash is first and third

[steel mauve]

void lash > shatter > SECOND void lash

[junior ivy]

oh i dont take the 2nd

i only take the first void lash and sahtter

so i guess i'll use it for first void lash

[cosmic cargo]

does it actually reflect though? Id assume just DR

[junior ivy]

not sure

[steel mauve]

and i mean, spell reflect reduces magic damage, so hes not wrong, kinda easy to determine what to use it for

[junior ivy]

i tried it and didn't notice it reducing the damage

thats why i asked

[cosmic cargo]

in which case if you use it late enough should be up for both I think

5 secs iirc should be enough duration

or maybe barely not long enough

[junior ivy]

any other advice for tanking him?

[steel mauve]

the only thing it "reflects" is on ghuun for the cast on us, but it doesnt reflect it, just prevents its application, until mythic mother, than there are reflectable spells

then*

[cosmic cargo]

mythic mother is all sorts of silly

[steel mauve]

second void lash is 6 seconds after, so you cant use it on both

[cosmic cargo]

immunities supposedly don't work on the defense grid, spellwarding disagrees

[inland mesa]

you can tank all 3 if you last stand each combo and spell reflect 2nd void

it barely tickles Cat

[cosmic cargo]

ah rip thought they were like 4 secs appart

[inland mesa]

and my whole 1 viewer watching mythic mother XD

[steel mauve]

about 6-7 according to logs

[cosmic cargo]

when I first did zek hc I felt the melees were the hard part

we'll see on mythic

well not hard, just harder then the combo

[vestal hedge]

Has any one tested using Servant splitter from Waycrest, does the equip effect out way the loss of secondary stats?

[steel mauve]

i heard it was shit, but idk

[cosmic cargo]

I think its worse than same ilvl regular weapon

but worth if ilvl upgrade at least for dps

[vestal hedge]

cool i figured as much just wasnt sure

[cosmic cargo]

just because of the weapon dps

[quaint kiln]

If you’re asking if you can reflect the cone frontal of any mob, the answer is always no.

Spell reflect only reflects targeted spells and most boss abilities aren’t usually reflectable

[undone sun]

Guarm 😏

[steel mauve]

there is a list of abilities you can reflect though in the pins

otherwise its mainly just a magic dmg DR

[raven kernel]

The context is Zekvoz

[quaint kiln]

Yeah you spell reflect for DR

[raven kernel]

And sr is used just for DR on the lash

Plus IP

Plus demo

[quaint kiln]

I mean it’s like asking if you can spell reflect psychic fear

[raven kernel]

But warriors suck against magic kappa

Memeing idiots

[quaint kiln]

Sorry I’m not trying to be a dick it’s just funny

[raven kernel]

Not u

There were people last night going on about how we are bad vs magic

[undone sun]

All week you mean

[steel mauve]

all expansion so far? 😛

[raven kernel]

Like which tank takes less dmg from void lash or mythrax shear than us? Without using a major cd

We can ip sr demo everytime

[prisma night]

the only thing that is kinda feelsbadman about SR is in a heavy magic dmg pull in a dungeon and it gets consumed on one bolt

then its just like "awe man"

[limber perch]

it still reflects if multiple bolts are flying before you're hit right

[raven kernel]

Good thing we have Shockwave and pummel

And friends who kick

Or at least I do

[prisma night]

in that situation i almost wish it didnt ever reflect anything lol

[undone sun]

It'll only redirect the first one to hit youv @limber perch

[inland mesa]

mythic mother is still bugged, Beta for Azeroth continues bois

[raven kernel]

Yes

You can play around it

[steel mauve]

considering they were doing raid testing like 1 or 2 weeks prior to bfa launch? lol

[raven kernel]

It's I've extra mythic mechanic lmao

It's like*

[inland mesa]

yeah, I haven't died to it yet, but my slow raid keeps dying to it

[raven kernel]

@inland mesa have your raid do 2 movements

Stay in middle before beams spawn, Mandatory

Then dodge vertical beams whilst in middle

Then go to circle for ceiling beams

100% u don't die

If u go to circle straight away, when vertical beams move u will die from bug if u are. In the bug area

So it's a 90 degree movement always

[limber perch]

isnt the whole idea that those 2 happen at the same time

[raven kernel]

Sequentially

You have time

[astral crystal]

damn taloc mythic is babymode

[grizzled lichen]

any prot played with Laser Matrix yet

[raven kernel]

Taloc mythic is obligatory free loot boss

[undone sun]

the ceiling beams are significantly slower

you'll have time to move from one to the other

[halcyon geode]

Hey guys, is the damage from Rupturing Blood, (Zul P2) reduced by armor? shield block?

[undone sun]

no

[halcyon geode]

damn, ok

[untold blaze]

Hello guys,what's the best Azerith gear for a prot warr?

[undone sun]

whatever has deafening crash

[untold blaze]

And should I change the deafening peace if I got a higher ilvl without the deafening trait?

[undone sun]

if it's within 25 ilevels, no

[junior ivy]

got zekvoz to 30% finally... best pull yet.

[tiny rapids]

I need some help with Hindering Cleave from Second Boss in the Shrine of the Storm

When he's big I can dodge, but when he isn't. I get slow anyway.

[junior ivy]

GOT IT killed zekvoz

[cinder nova]

Mythic?

[junior ivy]

lmao.

[cinder nova]

Right, catfriend?

[junior ivy]

yep, mythic

[cinder nova]

I wish my guild could get past mother

sigh

We're trying to rush over, cleave everything at once, and it's not working.

[earnest zinc]

Does safeguard work for the DoT on Zul?

[undone sun]

i don't see why it wouldn't

[inland mesa]

missed interrupts on mother are making me cry

picking up adds as prot is so garbage if they're staggered too

[cinder nova]

yep..

[elder steppe]

@earnest zinc just BoP the dot

[worldly ibex]

sad thing when your guild's stuck in freaking N Zek'voz zzzZ

[dark junco]

Yo Imma be on duty for Zul, whats you guys suggestion for p2?

[elder steppe]

Role CDs and make sure your Demo and Avatar roll while you tank

Have a Healer External rotation for tanks

And if you have paladins a BoP rotation for Zul dot when you run out to drop circles

[viral pollen]

Would you guys take 360 blood over blockades? I don't think i am since it would put me at 2 use

[inland mesa]

beam literally just killed people before it even cast

@#^@@&@&@$&@

[tiny rapids]

I need some hints for Shrine of the Storm, Second Boss Ironbull and his Hindering Cleave, should I just take it when he's not 50% slow? Because I find it a bit hard to keep moving 100% of time (m+10 I failed)

[junior ivy]

vectis heroic, help 😦 ?

[inland mesa]

we make 3 groups just to put an omega in

each, and then tank buff to 2

[junior ivy]

we had 3 groups too

my issue is taunts

8 sec taunt cd and triyng to make srue i taunt add and taunt boss at 2 stacks

[candid cove]

have the one tanking the boss to get the add

[plush glade]

Don't taunt the add if you need to taunt boss soon. Just ht it or have the other tank taunt

[junior ivy]

also

i taunt the add

half a second later

lose aggro to dps

but i cant taunt again

the add stresses me out on that fight

[plush glade]

Inteecept shieldslam leap back

[candid cove]

You end up taunting the add while you're on the first stack of the debuff.

and if the raid is close enough its not that big of an issue. But if theyre spread it could be an issue

[junior ivy]

😦

[plush glade]

Yea you could end up with vector

I found taunting as soon as add pops gave me enough time to taunt boss at 2 stacks for the most part

[candid cove]

We tried that in my guild but a couple times it went a little awry, We ended up just having whoever was tanking the boss to grab the add and then its only a couple seconds before the next debuff pops and the other tank gets the boss. Vectis is also usually casting as the add is spawning so you can step out and hit it and get back before the boss moves

[plain vapor]

woo

late to the party but finally got heroic ghuun

[old night]

Punish over Into the fray for Heroic fetid and single target bosses?

[hot locust]

nope

ITF is better even if you only have your cotank next to you the whole time.

[unique salmon]

Disc of Systematic Regression (370) +271 STRwith cleave proc vs Emblem of Zandalar (330) +187 STR, attacks proc 692 haste for 8 sec.

which should I equip? Other trink is blockades

[plain vapor]

probably the emblem

[knotty ermine]

Just had to give up on an AD 12 run because the group couldnt kill Yazma

Thefeels.jpg 😦

[hot locust]

Unlucky

[knotty ermine]

Nah, they were just getting rolled by not dodging spiders. Everytime the boss got low they would start to tunnel and they'd eat shit, or the healer would.

[raven kernel]

What

FailFish

[old night]

@hot locust cool cool, ty

[brave jetty]

How's King's Rest on Tyrannical?

Any particular boss abilities of note?

[merry cave]

The last dudes combo attafk actually needs shield block up 😂 we didn't have much issue though it's a lot better than fort

[tight tree]

Shadow of Zul ot hurts that much. Dmg of bosses are ok, just have to execute correctly. Have no issues except 1st boss, we was doing it wrong. We stopped killing adds and started to slow/kite them.

[digital arrow]

tanking endless waves up to 30 in the proving grounds was hard as shit on warrior

but i did it guys

....dies

X_X

ok im going to sleep forever now

[tight tree]

Also one of the group cant tell left from right, spawned add on machimba 😉

[wide juniper]

Finally. Mythic mother dead

[junior ivy]

grats

[wide juniper]

thx

Stupid bugged lasers

[crisp bridge]

i feel like I'm doing something horribly wrong

I get fucking pounded and healers can't catch up

I keep ignore pain up as often as possible, Demo shout, etc

[raven kernel]

On what content

[crisp bridge]

and I still get my plate bussy pounded

M+

We have so few tanks in our guild

so I tank a few

[raven kernel]

U using shield block?

[crisp bridge]

yup

basically using last stand, shield wall etc

on cooldown

[raven kernel]

How's your gear

Also depends on what mobs etc

[crisp bridge]

364

[raven kernel]

Some just naturally hurt alot

[crisp bridge]

Temple just fucking hurts

[junior ivy]

what level mythic+s are they

[knotty ermine]

More importantly

What healer are you running with

Because what you're describing sounds very much like my experience with druid healers. They just dont synergize at all with warriors, and the dmg intake is incredibly spiky, unfortunately. (assuming you're doing everything correctly)

[tight tree]

Not having problems with druids. Strangely enough i feel less safe with paladins in M+.

[upbeat folio]

@crisp bridge What level mythic dungeons are you doing? 364 is on the high side for right now.

[crisp bridge]

10 and 11

compared to dks though

[tight tree]

But yeah i have temple key and noone wants to go in, because of first and third bosses. Going to be pain on tyrannical.

[static pilot]

are you straight facetanking or doing some kiting as well?

[tight tree]

1st boss you cant cleave at all, only use ss and devastate ;/

And aoe oneshot people

[pulsar lily]

temple first and third boss is going to feel like you're lagging behind and unhealble, because the rest of the group is taking damage and the healer is catching up on them - leaving you to sustain yourself periodically

same with Waycrest triad

[tight tree]

I am not even worrying about survival, more like people fuck up and die. I rarely die before anyone else.

[pulsar lily]

If it's the 2nd or 4th boss, probably something you or someone else doing wrong

[tight tree]

And 1 fuckup and your key is gone. I really liked old challenge modes better, you can just reset and try again without repercussions

snek boss is ez, most problems is 1st and 3rd (galvazzt), people fail to stay in rays

[junior ivy]

im so lucky i got that dumb bug that gave me a +20 key

and then a +19 thjis week

[tight tree]

btw anyone know, temple last boss, guardian spawn orb when they die, but sometimes it dissapears, anyone know why?

[olive bay]

they have a duration as far as ive seen

like u cant save em up then blast CDs into it

[tight tree]

because at the time 4 hexers die, orb is gone

[olive bay]

na

[tight tree]

and orb is useless when hexers alive

[olive bay]

if that was the case then itd be useless and then gone. it just has a duration

[tight tree]

Sometimes it is there sometimes its gone. I had a version, maybe frogs eat it, but could not pinpoint it

So more likely we was just slow with hexers

[fierce halo]

Never seen them despawn. Someone probably clicked it.

[sick sentinel]

no, they despawn for sure, perhaps just a timer

[mild vigil]

How does one take 4 stacks of Zul's debuffs? The damage is insane in HC

[ember arrow]

U take it and run away and die

Dps should burst down before boss kills both tanks

At least we did it that way

[old zephyr]

Now that we can farm 370 with m+ should I aim to get rezan and jess or is blackades better ?

[raven kernel]

Swap on 3

Any higher is for a sacrifice play

[candid vine]

355 Vanqished Tendril, 370 Briny Barnacle, or 355 Syringe of Bloodborne Infirmity for prot dps?

[upbeat folio]

What are your favorite mythics to chain run for the loot tables?

I've been doing a lot of tol dagor and atal.

[old zephyr]

That as well

But I can't find any high enough Keys in group finder

[noble pilot]

what key are you trying to do?

[old zephyr]

At least 7

[raven kernel]

10 or bust

[old zephyr]

I would but haven't had time to run a 10 yet so getting invite is gonna be troiblesome

[raven kernel]

Do guild groups @_@

[fathom marten]

Damn Limit got world first on mythic fetid

Check that shit out

Methods starting to sweat

😅😅😅😁

Been at it all night. They are calling it for now.

[tight tree]

Nah they got it fam, will be 1st on G'huun most probably. Unles they get DDOs'd 😉

In the end only the final boss really matters

[fathom marten]

Sort of.

Having the most world first kills is also a thing.

I mean the last boss is suppose to be the most difficult but it doesnt always pan out that way either.

[old zephyr]

guildies are either having a 5man already or not interested/good enough for high keys

[worthy karma]

yo, in logs, is there a way to see my HP as a graph over time throughout the fight and what heals healed me?

[pallid solar]

I think the best you can do is go to Damage Taken and pin yourself with the + to get a graph up top, and then do the same over in Healing, but select "Done To Friendly" and pin yourself with the +

that way you basically get two graphs above each other, one showing incoming dmg, the other showing incoming healing

[prisma crane]

health over teh fight is under resources

then just look at healing received by source

pin each

[viscid bane]

Fetid has been killed twice :o

[crisp charm]

Is there a crossover point for reorigination array?

[fierce halo]

It needs to be at 500 haste to be a top trait, so starting at week 7

[crisp charm]

Cool thanks!

[old zephyr]

That seems to be à lot

[upbeat folio]

Just did my first +10 at 350. Wasn't so bad. What's all the fuss about?

[sick sentinel]

last week was cancer

without frost mage at least

[upbeat folio]

necro sucks.

[sick sentinel]

well yeah it does without slows

[hearty portal]

Whats the best healer currently?

[sick sentinel]

for m+ or for raid?

[cosmic cargo]

i mean MW and disc kinda take the trophy on both contents

[sick sentinel]

holy pally is nice aswell

[hearty portal]

M+

[cosmic cargo]

not as good as either MW or disc though

[hearty portal]

For a warrior

[sick sentinel]

well every healer is good for m+ except holy priest probably

[cosmic cargo]

*resto shammy

those guys are utter garbage

[old zephyr]

Druid is Good but not that much with à protwar

[raven kernel]

I love mw

[surreal maple]

For this week disc is not that good on bursting

I love mw too

Druid is a safe choice this week

[raven kernel]

Eh I did a kr 10 in time

With a disc

It's fine

[surreal maple]

@raven kernel i did a kr +9 yesterday with a disc and he could not keep me up on the last boss, i had the block and ip for the blade combo every time.

[raven kernel]

Would have to see logs to pinpoint the issue

[hearty portal]

Sounds like something you should do

Haha

[surreal maple]

For some reasonout of the let's say 15% hp that the ability hit me for he could only heal 10% and my health kept slowly grindingdown

[raven kernel]

But things like dps taking tornado dmg can easily set your healer behind

[surreal maple]

Wasn'g logging unfortunately

[tight tree]

Dps are responsible for tanks survivability now 😉

[sick sentinel]

you get to like 10% hp, the ret lay on hands you

back to 100% and you go on 😄

[hearty portal]

Random rets that uses their kits?

In what world

They are all brain damaged that cant use bop and loh on party members

[sick sentinel]

I'm sorry I am spoiled

[hearty portal]

You might have the only good retri on your friends list then :p

[sick sentinel]

I run almost exclusively with guildmates

[hearty portal]

Okay

I dont have the luxury sadly

The server i play on is dead on my faction

[fathom marten]

Ret is so boring to play to me. Would rather play a enhancement shaman using a 2 hander

[sick sentinel]

my rets use their shit, shamans use tremor etc

[surreal maple]

Start asking for voice chat o your pugs dosen't do any miracles with ppls brains but helps a bit

[hearty portal]

Think 5/8 normal is the best alliace guild clear haha

[fathom marten]

Damn

[hearty portal]

99% horde

[sick sentinel]

hoooo

wow voice works sometimes

[hearty portal]

Check ragnaros eu on wowprogress alliance

And have a laugh

[fathom marten]

Well 99% of your realm chose the right faction

😁😉

[sick sentinel]

I also have a throwaway discord server for pugging M+

[hearty portal]

Only children play horde

[viscid bane]

I saw a comment about Holy Priest not being good, not true :p Every healer is viable

Just have to play different, depending on the comp

[hearty portal]

So i guess the popularity stays true to that

[fathom marten]

Sure sure whatever helps you sleep at night

[sick sentinel]

funny thing is, when I was a child I was playing alliance and now I chose horde

[hearty portal]

I did the opposite

[fathom marten]

I doubt theres any extreme correlation between age and faction

Though I hate what blizz is doing to the Horde

[hearty portal]

Its just the general feel. Back in the days it was probably extreme

[fathom marten]

Our direction is becoming worse and worse

[hearty portal]

Now i dont know

Probably equal. But I dont like the monster races

But i probably hate worgen the most

Fuck that race

[fathom marten]

I love it. I play fantasy RPGs to be those types of races.

[hearty portal]

Gtfo from the alliance

[viscid bane]

I don't like either faction

[fathom marten]

Also, loved the idea of them not inheritly being evil.

[viscid bane]

I just want to be a human :)

[hearty portal]

Goblin/gnome faction please

Mechanical overlorda

[fathom marten]

Hate both those races

[hearty portal]

Overlords*

[sick sentinel]

Gnomes are basically the only alliance race I like lol

[fathom marten]

Wtf

Why

[topaz cove]

Get out

[sick sentinel]

Because they are silly

and stupid lol

[viscid bane]

Interesting

[fathom marten]

Only alliance face I like are night elves.

Race*

Fucks sake phone

[sick sentinel]

like, 12 years ago my 2 brothers were playing vanilla

[topaz cove]

[Dwarvish]: Uncultured pigs.

[sick sentinel]

and one of them was a gnome warrior and the other a gnome warlock

[fathom marten]

That's the worse

Gnome warrior

[sick sentinel]

seeing a gnome warrior tanking onyxia was the funniest thing to me

[fathom marten]

If you can be a gnome warrior you should be able to be a Tauren rogue

[surreal maple]

Nah

[fathom marten]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

I mained a gnome rogue from the start of cata up the end of MoP

[fathom marten]

Must have been the most miserable time

[sick sentinel]

well it was highschool

[fathom marten]

#Downwithgnomes

[viscid bane]

I want to play as a Naga Tank

Or Murloc Rogue

[fathom marten]

Ahh hell

[sick sentinel]

WoD prepatch I boosted a tauren shaman and now I am playing an Orc Warr

[fathom marten]

Not this crap again

[topaz cove]

Kobold Fire Mage

[fathom marten]

Naga and Murloc

[topaz cove]

"You take candle, now you candle!"

[viscid bane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[topaz cove]

Anyway, back to prot, anyone else loving IP right now?

[fathom marten]

How about sethrak and vulpera

[viscid bane]

I don't like the fact that it's on a GCD

that's all

just gotta play around it

[fathom marten]

Love those races

[sick sentinel]

Ok back to IP I agree with that

[surreal maple]

Ip again

We discuss that everyday

[fathom marten]

No way captain you're stil on my shit list for liking gnomes

[sick sentinel]

HAHAHAHAHAH

[topaz cove]

Its all we have to talk about Salty

[viscid bane]

Prot warriors are in a good place imo, i just don't like some GCD's, but that goes for many classes

IP is just another one of these

[sick sentinel]

I reach like 4k HPS just by spamming IP 😄

let my healer heal the others from boss mechanics, I got myself good

[topaz cove]

Yeah agreed, we are very healer dependant, but I personally think a tank should be

[half carbon]

"healing"

[surreal maple]

We could definetly use a bit of variety on our talent " choices"

[sick sentinel]

yeah it's absorb but it still helps

[surreal maple]

Im fine with the rest

[topaz cove]

yeah, i'd love gladiator stance back

hopefully we get some nice azerite traits in 8.1

that actually change playstyle a bit

every prot war now is just avatar+tc always

[sick sentinel]

The trait I want is Azerite Veins...

[topaz cove]

yeee

that stacks right?

[sick sentinel]

if you can manage to get more than one

I can't even get one

[topaz cove]

makes a big difference, I've got it on my shoulders or helm

really want another one to see how it scales

[surreal maple]

Mhm

U only really need one

[topaz cove]

Does it not stack?

[surreal maple]

Then brace for impact

[topaz cove]

and the TC one?

[old zephyr]

I had some but upgraded my gear and now I only have First traits

[surreal maple]

The 2 sec extend does not stack

[sick sentinel]

farm more AP boy 😄

[topaz cove]

Ah ty Salty

[surreal maple]

Np senpai is here 😗

[viscid bane]

Deafening crash

[indigo bobcat]

After doing a few m+ on my warrior i Switched mains from warrior to monk and i must say the difference is enormous. Tho obviously it probably is in big part me doing prot wrong. I do hope you get some necessary buffs to make you more competitive however.

[old zephyr]

Aside of specific mechanics I feel super strong as prot...

[prisma night]

yeah i really like raids with prot

[indigo bobcat]

Ok then i did state it was probably me 😂

[dull granite]

I feel rage gen is too slow. Its annoying when you need 5-6 seconds sometimes just to get enough rage for IP

[old zephyr]

Me in raids "i'll tank that 100% then that 80% and also all of that so healer can do other stuff than healing thé tank"

I use rezan eye, engineering Google and Quick navigation for better rage gen

Sometime i'm like
"did someone just pop BL ?"
Then I réalise It's just my stuff procing together and i'm rocking 65+%haste

Never rage starved

[dull granite]

its not helpful if its a proc. Needs to be there when you need it

[old zephyr]

Not haste

Haste5is always help full

[dull granite]

not when you're offtanking sitting at full rage bar then when you taunt all your procs are down and rage gen is low

[indigo bobcat]

Could my issue be to low haste then? At 29% with 5stacks from talent

[old zephyr]

Spend rage reduce CDs with AM, pool some SB charges and ip absorb. When you taunt back you are at full rage and6mitigatiob

29 is What I have

When I don't have procs

@dull granite haste is the only proc that has value when not actively tanking

Défensive value I mean

[dull granite]

I don't disagree with that. Im saying if you are relying on procs in order to have enough rage gen then that's a bad situation to be in. I think the solution is either to increase rage gen from taking damage or reduce rage costs/increase max rage.

I don't think we will ever get to a point where we have enough haste to maintain IP when its getting knocked off every boss melee swing

[old zephyr]

I don't know it works very well for me (but Maybe Because I stacked so much procs I kind of always have one running )

From my logs I have 17,22 and 25 %up time on my 3 strong haste procs and 70 and the weak navigation

[raven kernel]

Huh, rage issues?

[old zephyr]

Ip in not meant to be maintains either

[raven kernel]

The only time I get rage "starved" is when I'm holding the boss for a long time

Which shouldn't really happen often in raids

Taloc or mother maybe

Even then on taloc u can tank swap easily

[old zephyr]

I have 80%+ active tanking on the First 3 boss and never felt rage starved

[raven kernel]

Yeah its only a short moment

The your avatar or demo is back

[old zephyr]

Bolster works as well Since it saves you the rage from SB

Just don't hit revenge and you are fine

[sour osprey]

I just did yesterday Mother HM with a group of 1/5/5 that was pretty funny 😛

Mother do not need more than one tank and the jump i really good to avoid the wind

[old zephyr]

Neither taloc nor Mother really require 2 tanks

[sour osprey]

Thats why our big dick damage can be useful

[summer kestrel]

in raid?

in raid it is not that important

[old zephyr]

Have the other tank switch to dps, and use our 100% mitigation up time to facetank like à boss

[summer kestrel]

neither is that good*

[old zephyr]

The only thing the off tank does in my guild during taloc is run around making blood droplet explode away from raid by headbutting them

[uncut fractal]

is it fine to use last stand even if I have 2x SB stacks?

[sour osprey]

Taloc is easy af

Mother if you are a big group it's much harder than a small one

@uncut fractal i would say no until it is your very last panic button

[old zephyr]

@uncut fractal if speked bolster no, only use6it when Shield block is neither active not available

If you are not talented to bolster go in fine city and change your talents

=)

[uncut fractal]

lets say I leap into a 6 mob trash from m+ and I LS - Avatar - Demo - Spam IP

That's not good?

[old zephyr]

You you expect them to die with in 25 secs It's fine

[limber perch]

@uncut fractal 4sec spent on GCD's and no threat

[old zephyr]

Else It's probably better to SB3 then bolster and sb2 again

[limber perch]

ok maybe not 4 but still

[raven kernel]

the only time i do that on dungeon packs if there is big magic dmg in addition to melee swings

then i burn the LS there so i can devote all rage to IP

[limber perch]

i usually avatar before pull > tc > demo > tc

[uncut fractal]

can you log dungeons?

m+?

[sick sentinel]

@dull granite you gotta step up your game dude, I am capping rage and I have to dump it to IP for AM

[tawny lantern]

Yeah i think i finally understood how war is supossed to work, it revolves all arround AM trying to lower the cooldowns. I am capping rage all the time also.

[uncut fractal]

is m+10 doable as 360 prot?

[old zephyr]

I think it is very much so

[surreal maple]

Yes

[torpid socket]

Hello, do you know a place to simulate damage mitigation correctly ?

[azure sorrel]

as prot warrior wich azerite traits shold i go after?

wich*

which*

[vocal nimbus]

Its not possible to simulate defensively @torpid socket

@azure sorrel check the pinned guides

[torpid socket]

meh too bad

[azure sorrel]

is there a point stucking 3 deafing ceush?

crush*

[torpid socket]

any way to generate stat weights ?

[misty citrus]

Was the thrash tank for heroic fetid last night. Crossing my fingers and watching shield block timers was intense.

[tawny lantern]

@iskos theres not, and getting DF is pretty hard already

[grim prism]

@torpid socket nope

[ornate sky]

the extra dmg part fo that trait is poor @azure sorrel

[azure sorrel]

so 1 df and 2 brace for impact?

[vocal nimbus]

@azure sorrel multiple deafening crash only stack the damage bonus, the bonus seconds to demo shout will alwsys remain at 2 no matter hiw many traits you have

[ornate sky]

1df + 2callous will always be better than 3df for damage output

1df + 2BI is the 'best'

[kind urchin]

I got my final piece to run 1 dc 2 bfi last night.

[merry cave]

Anyone else noticing raider.io isn't adding a lot of their +10 runs?

[sick matrix]

Question regarding devastator/devastate:
Reading the tooltip, what is actually the difference between them except for the reduced chance to reset the shield slam cool down? An increase in all white damage? And ofc, that auto attacks now also have the chance to reset shield slam cd?

[vocal nimbus]

The talent has a 20% reset chance while the skill has a 30%

The talent doesnt generate rage as it did in legion

[ornate sky]

The main difference is you don't have to devastate any more

Not sure what else you mean by that question

[dark junco]

Seriously anyone here ever use devastate?

[sick matrix]

Ofc

[tight tree]

Everyone

[ornate sky]

I have periods where ill do 2/3 devastates in a row

[dark junco]

Whats your guys haste?

At 42%, I have like legit no time for it

[sick matrix]

Hmm 38% full fray stack

[mellow bridge]

yeah I dont get a whole lot of devastates in either

I'd love to use the talent but booming too good

[tight tree]

Devastate is just filler. I don't get why soe people dislike it. It is not very fun, but warriors had it since forever (well sunder). Some just became way too lazy when devastator became a thing 😉

[mellow bridge]

Not about lazy/disliking it

just not a whole lot of free GCDs to use it

[dark junco]

I had the time to do 3 during Zek, so I just removed devastator from my bars.

[ornate sky]

booming voice is so fun too, the avatar + clap spam is great

[grim prism]

Devastate appears to pretty consistently be abour ~12% of casts in high-parsing logs

Thats like 1 in 8 globals

Its fine

[mellow bridge]

that's for raids prolly?

in dungeons it feels a lot less

[grim prism]

Compare to 7.0 when casting is 3-4 times in a row was the norm

Oh in dungeons itll be less for sure

[mellow bridge]

yeah

[grim prism]

So many free rev procs

[mellow bridge]

in trash packs i get in like 1 or 2 devastates maybe lol

[ornate sky]

because now we get to use IP gcds lol

[mellow bridge]

so much rage to use for other stuff and a lot of free revenge proccs

no time to devastate

maybe if IP wasn't on the GCD 🤔

[grim prism]

Which would ALSO feel fine if IP wasnt in a shit place tuningwise tnh

[tight tree]

Have to IP to shit less bricks

[mellow bridge]

yeah

wouldnt mind using a GCD on IP if it was stronger

[grim prism]

Taking it off-global in its current state would just mean casting dev more

[mellow bridge]

but this way it just feels very meh

[grim prism]

Weow

[mellow bridge]

either no gcd but this strength or gcd but a bit stronger pls

[ornate sky]

just make IP do a devestate so we're back at square one

[dark junco]

^

[mellow bridge]

hey

that works too

lmao

[uncut fractal]

lmao

new spell confirmed

[topaz cove]

i think you just fixed prot war

[sick matrix]

Hmm, white damage increase (single target) vs. 15% to all affected by demo shout. Yeah, even for damage booming voice seems better. (Only looking at dungeons)

[mellow bridge]

yeah it is

[uncut fractal]

IP should have a chance to reset CD on shield slam too

[mellow bridge]

especially with deafening crash

then in avatar windows you can easily keep it up for the whole duration of the CD if you have hero as well

with AM

[real rover]

I really hate the fact, that our best trait is not farmable

[mellow bridge]

goes for any class tho

[real rover]

even tho blizz wanted you to be able to target certain azerite traits <.<

[mellow bridge]

azerite gear was a mistake

[ornate sky]

just use a 340 one, make a 5 plate group with friends

tell them you'll never tank a mythic for them if they dont

the difference in str/sta is acceptable for once piece

[mellow bridge]

still feels awful

[ornate sky]

this is not as awful as legendaries

getting blur chest & prydaz (pre-buff) as a DH made me want to end myself

[real rover]

the fact that I am forced into doing pvp do get the best pve item outside of the worldboss is just DansGame

[sick matrix]

Is that for shoulders?

[real rover]

yes

[sick matrix]

Figures

[ornate sky]

yeah but just get it out your weekly chest smh

[real rover]

right, hit the lottery of getting an azerite shoulder in weekly cache and hit the lottery of it being the right one

lol

only temple and siege has deafening crash on it.

[ornate sky]

but again its one slot and you can use a 340 for now

[real rover]

still feels bad.

[ornate sky]

its not great, but not as bad as legendaries or WW monks etc

[valid gorge]

the problem there is not the fact that the piece is hard to farm, it's the fact that the one trait is so important and better than everything else

[real rover]

it's not great if you got a 370 shoulder already sitting in your inventory.

[ornate sky]

but i see complaints that traits are so unimportant too

[valid gorge]

ofcourse not, but inherently the problem comes from bad trait balance

[ornate sky]

all should be brought up to DC levels

well you could get the one from freehold helm etc

[valid gorge]

Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending the azerite gear system, it's terrible dog shit and one of the worst systems we've had in a long time

[ornate sky]

if you want to get that 370 equipped

[valid gorge]

but they could fix your specific issue by balancing traits

:)

[ornate sky]

you don't need every BIS in week 2 to enjoy the game

[real rover]

that will make me unequip my 370helm

[ornate sky]

okay then your chest

[real rover]

that will make me unequip my 370 chest

lol

[ornate sky]

😡

just take the 30ilvl hit in one slot lol

[real rover]

there's no way in turning it, it's garbage and they failed in always take the higher ilvl

and we are speaking about a fucking 30 ilvl here.

[valid gorge]

what did they expect with no secondary stats and the same pool of traits for all levels of gear

they should have different, stronger traits on higher gear it's that simple

[real rover]

they are scaling with ilvl

defeaning is just that strong, that noone cares.

[valid gorge]

scaling them would help, but it would still be super boring

having the same 4 traits on everything

[ornate sky]

scaling them is already done

[valid gorge]

not remotely enough to matter

[ornate sky]

the main issue is generic traits being comparable for dps.. they shouldnt be dagger in the back on warlocks etc.

and tuning on some key ones

druids falling stars, ww roundhouse kicks, our def crash

[valid gorge]

it's like the pcgamer article said, they ran out of time

[ornate sky]

they'll clearly have less boring ones in the next tier

[valid gorge]

not enough time to balance this clusterfuck of a system

[tawny panther]

Ama tonight the azerite q will be big

For scaling n unlocking

[sick matrix]

Uh I like the traits, but it’s a pity there are so many poor ones. I mean, outside of raiding there are some very useful ones that make certain encounters easier (my bag space hates me). Some of them I wonder why are they even classified protection traits.

[ornate sky]

theres not much wrong with the scaling and unlocking imo

[valid gorge]

either they will genuinely admit fault and propose solutions, or it will be a masterclass in politics dodging questions left and right and answering only stuff like "vulpera allied race when lolol"

i'm very anxious to see what it will be

what time EST is the AMA?

[humble flame]

just throwing in a question: the middle trait which heals us for 18sec when we take dmg, does that proc often?

[sick matrix]

Yes

And scales with haste

[valid gorge]

it's pretty decent yes

[humble flame]

okay nice, lets hope mother drops it this id

[native coyote]

Impassive Visage?

[sick matrix]

Something-veins

[humble flame]

azerite veins

the one with the yellow bubble thingy image

[native coyote]

aha

[sick matrix]

I kinda liked Overwhelming power but in dungeons it loses the effect very quickly due to taking damage so rapidly

[signal plover]

So it turns into Underwhelming Power?

[sick matrix]

It’s decent on boss fights, long duration large haste proc. But it sucks on trash yes 😃 very underwhelming

[tight spire]

strength in numbers vs overwhelming power? both listed as B tier but not sure which to pick, mostly for M+

[sick matrix]

hmm it relies on having enemies around you. It's a good EHP increase

[tight spire]

yeah i picked strength for now

[sick matrix]

at least it doesn't disappear just because 5 mobs hit you

I chose overwhelming on the engineering goggles since the other traits were acting up so badly

I use a different helmet now, with azerite veins

I feel the STR traits are so insignificant :S

[tight spire]

azerite veins is very very nice

[sick sentinel]

I just got exalted with champions and I am so hyped to finally have az veins now

[tight spire]

i picked up a 380 shield from tol dagor, the difference between 355 to 380 shield feels immense

[sick matrix]

even the armor procs are fairly underwhelming, they amount to maybe 3% damage reduction (physical, ablative shielding). What's that gonna do when you're already dipping below 40%

oh, very nice

[frosty wedge]

yeah @tight spire wen from a 340 to a 370 a few days ago, feels night and day

[tight spire]

went into +0 atal dazar and my hp basically did not move, we 4 manned it without a healer

[sick matrix]

is there not too much magical damage...?

[ember arrow]

its the easiest dungeon

[junior igloo]

It's +0

[grim prism]

tfw people are getting their hopes up for dev communication

[tight spire]

yeah +0

[grim prism]

What ilvl are you @tight spire

[tight spire]

357

[sick matrix]

oh well, I only pug stuff. Having more than one additional person interrupt is very rare 😦

[grim prism]

LOL

[junior igloo]

We did all +0s the second week as a tank+ 4 dps in our paladin group, word of glory carried 😃

[grim prism]

I would hope you can clear a +0 safely at 357 with or without healer

Just sayin

[tight spire]

oh yeah for sure

[sick matrix]

is that with cc etc?

or is the dps so powerful

[tight spire]

no cc just chain pulls with high dps

[uncut fractal]

tips for last boss tol dagor +9

incediary explosion dot is overtuned af

[tight spire]

we had to 2 heal it :\

[sick matrix]

uh

[tight spire]

at +10

disc priest could not keep up

[sick matrix]

ppl moving too much?

[frosty wedge]

no the fire dot is insane in high keys

[tight spire]

the intitial hit on the incendiary is very high dmg

[grim prism]

Pretty much all you can do as prot is safeguard and rallying cry

[next goblet]

does bulwark of the masses stack?

[sick matrix]

only done +4 but can easily take 4 deadeyes there

[grim prism]

If the healer can't keep up with unavoidable damage then there's not much you can do

[tight spire]

i would have group use personals before the initial hit of the incendiary

deadeyes shouldnt be an issue

we had our shaman go out and spec resto, 1 shot after that

[sick matrix]

oh right, the dot

[wild bolt]

Grats on the shields, guys! I just went from 340 to 355 at end of raid last night so I haven't had a chance to test it out yet.

[grim prism]

Fourth deadeye on a +4 unfortified would hit for 660k 🤔

Thats a lot to "easily take"

[tight spire]

you can dodge it too, if you get lucky with darkness or something

i didnt think about safeguard though, thats a good idea for tol dagor

[mild vigil]

Should I use my seals for
Fetid (2 30 ilvl upgrades),
Vectis (Shield is most important gear piece), or
Mythrax (most upgrades)?

Should I use seals for bosses that drop azerite, since I can get everything else in mythic+ dungeons?

[grim prism]

Yeah its nice to have in tyrannical week

Most big dick boss abilities are telegraphed

By a few seconds

@mild vigil vectis and mother is what i would use mine on were I raiding

Vectis for the shield ofc

[wild bolt]

G'huun shield is Haste/Mast, too

[grim prism]

Mother for the close-to-bis traits on the az helm

[tight spire]

how good is the trinket off mythrax? bis?

[wild bolt]

I've got it...I find it underwhelming

Totally unpredictablt

*e

[grim prism]

No its pretty shit actually

[wild bolt]

I think I'm going to stick with Deck/Rezan.

[grim prism]

Casts IP on a two minute cooldown

[wild bolt]

Yeah, it's got a lot of strikes against it. It either needs a stronger effect, a shorter cooldown, or be on-demand (and probably still with one of the other aspects buffed)

[mild vigil]

I already have a 370 helm

[grim prism]

Then use it on shields

Uldir azerite looks kinda shit tbh

[wild bolt]

Yep, Shield is absolutely a priority. Vectis or G'huun.

[tight spire]

the helm is good, bout it

[wild bolt]

I'd probably save rerolls for those 2 fights until one of them drops.

[sick matrix]

@grim prism Yes you are right, that cannot have been a mythic. 3rd deadeye requires both shield wall and demo shout to hit for 180k. Suppose you can have shield block up to mitigate further. But 4th is 3 million damage before mitigation (it is physical though)

[mild vigil]

15ilvl upgrade to shield more important than 30 ilvl upgrade to other gear?

[grim prism]

I doubt deadeye is blockable actually, if the other mobs who cast "shoot" cant be blocked

[sick matrix]

it is physical though, it should be blockable

[grim prism]

@mild vigil i would say yes probably, block is our most scalable defensive trait

Not all physical damage is blockable

I dont think a single physical AoE can be blocked

All physical damage except bleeds IS reduced by armor

[mild vigil]

vectis p2 zones

[grim prism]

But not necessarily blockable

[sick matrix]

oh but it's single target. Hmm now I have to go test that 😛

[grim prism]

Yeah its worth checking. Just saying the other ranged mobs in the dungeon are unblockable, so I would be surprised if you could block the boss

[stable cedar]

wwould still get the darkmoon bloackade trinket ?

[sick matrix]

There is little alternative unless you do hc uldir I think?

[uneven mason]

yeah

Nope

the HC uldir trinketes are all dog tier

You want M+ high item level Rezan's and Jes' Howl

high item level str/haste stuff

[stable cedar]

got rezan

[uneven mason]

Howl is good because its on use and a solid chunk of vers

high str with on use DR that works on maigc

[stable cedar]

but bloackes isnt totally dogshit ? just want to knoww if spending 27k is worth it

[uneven mason]

its the best, got made better ( scales with haste now )

but its mostly good due to how weak the trinkets that it competes with are

[sick matrix]

Discarded Cell Key in tol dagor

never seen b4

[sick sentinel]

gz to Shrine of the Storm World rank 1 @shut summit . LoL@ prot isn't viable. gj

Still waiting for your cone Weakauras btw :p

[uncut fractal]

holy crap

after 100 deaths i downed last boss in TD +9

insane

[sick sentinel]

gz for keeping your grp together then!

[uncut fractal]

yea we were all up to do it as a pug

glad no one left

that would've been 1 hour "well " spent

got myself this beauty

probably not best stats, wish it had haste

[sick sentinel]

No haste no equip :p

[uncut fractal]

hey hey

cmon now

[sick sentinel]

Would equip it too

Have a 340 haste ring. > 15 ilvls is equip afaik

[grim prism]

@stable cedar id buy it for 27k

Hell yeah

[sick sentinel]

Does IP scale only with versa?

[sick matrix]

Ok, I could not block Deadeye damage, only ignore pain

[sick sentinel]

IP only scales with AP

Wait what

In legion it scaled with versa, was it changed

[grim prism]

IP scales off attack power and is multiplied by vers like all damaging/healing abilities

[sick sentinel]

No

[grim prism]

Same as it did in legion tbh

[sick sentinel]

What Balsaq said

Vers is a global amplifier

OH ok

I got my warr late legion and I remember using IP with concordance gave me extremely huge IP that's why

[next goblet]

so i have a big red button and then the trinket from waycrest.. the one that gives crit.. would it be in my best interest to dump the crit trinket and go get a blockades?

i can get a blockades for like 18k

[sick sentinel]

We like str a lot

[next goblet]

well i gain STR for sure

i'd gain 31 str

[sick matrix]

I use big red & blockades in dungeons, the aoe snap aggro is useful

[next goblet]

and the blockades effect over a "gain X crit" on hit

[sick matrix]

why do we not have a challenging shout anymore btw?

[next goblet]

599 crit, it was a base mythic

so i guess i'd gain 15ilvl too on a trinket lol

[sick sentinel]

Big red button is good in skittish

[next goblet]

oh i love my big red button

i hate the fact that i have a "gain crit for 15sec" trinket as a tank

[sick matrix]

hmjah...it's parry and maybe a thunderclap crit

but I guess people hate that for the same reason Ravager is so boo'ed at

[sick sentinel]

Crit gives you parry chance, good at m+, bad at raids

[next goblet]

eh fuggit i bought the blockades

18k, for a trinket that can benefit me decently in survivability

[sick matrix]

18k ? price has dropped a lot it seems

[next goblet]

some realms it has

it was 17899g exactly

lol

[oak girder]

It's sometimes even cheaper

Got mine for 12k because I bought cards separately

[sick matrix]

cards and deck were almost same price on my realm, I think it was 40k at the time

[frosty wedge]

I got mine for like 17k as well

[prime birch]

Should be decent

[frosty wedge]

bought another for my brm yesterday for 15

wow. noce

nice*

[prime birch]

i know !

[frosty wedge]

that is a shitton of vers

[prime birch]

haha yeah its pretty insane

[sick matrix]

pff

28k for the blockades on my server

25.9k as cards

Do they still require the faire to be active?

[tawny panther]

No

[spark elbow]

does anyone know if Xalzaix's Veiled Eye is good now with the buff? got it 375 from weekly, currently have 355 darkmoon and krauloks claw

[sick matrix]

I don't know about raids, but I think it's a pretty nice effect