protection

[junior ivy]

we tried that

we tried stunning

[merry cave]

It's prob just up to the priest to burn everything they got left to get past the 2x clones and then beat the 3rd

Focus fire one down, interupt when you can

[grim prism]

I wouldn't say it's "not worth doing" if you are interested in minmaxing

[junior ivy]

we are gonna pray we live apst 2 adds and hero right after they die, so we dont get 3

[dark junco]

^

[merry cave]

Your better of using it on pull or on twin adds tbh

[junior ivy]

we have yet to all survive twin adds lol

[merry cave]

To Maz dps or help heals

[final mist]

Balsaq, the problem with that is that sims don't follow actual tanking scenarios.

And the fact that stat weights change heavily on a fight-per-fight basis.

[dark junco]

All tanks have sims

I refuse to believe everyone is wrong beside us

[final mist]

All tanks have DPS sims.

Not defensive sims.

Except us*

[grim prism]

You are able to create an APL to replicate any encounter though, no?

[final mist]

The APL is an action priority list

Action Priority List

It's what you (the sim) will do during the encounter

You'd have to custom create a backend option for each fight in the game

Which is what AMR tries to do and fails

[grim prism]

Im not sure thats true, SimC has a manpage for it

[final mist]

It's a good idea, but much, much, much more work than it's worth to sim defensively

[knotty ermine]

So make an APL for hte boss, and sim it against you, then see how long it would take the boss, following the APL, to kill you. Gawd its so simple! /s

[severe summit]

hey guys whats your mitigation rotation on hc zek'voz?

[grim prism]

I mean if you wanted to granularly replicate every ability and its proper timer, yes that would fall apart in a hurry

[dark junco]

Well at least I’d like to be able to know the haste brackets and points we have to aim for

[final mist]

Which is what a defensive Tank sim would entail, Balsaq

[dark junco]

That’d be useful

[grim prism]

But there appears to be a decent amount of customizability for baseline intake

[final mist]

Kral, there are no Haste breakpoints and brackets defensively

Yes, we customize that by increasing boss melees and adding random magic damage on a patchwerk sim

That's how we got RFDT to work last expac

[uncut fractal]

Please tell me its not useless

[final mist]

No it's still useless if you have anything else decent

It's a strength stick and socket for you

[merry cave]

It's a good ilvl 😬

[grim prism]

oof

[knotty ermine]

2min cd and it procs at 40% hp? oof.

[north dove]

Strength alone, i'd still use it..

[junior ivy]

WE DID IT

SHE DIED

[frosty wedge]

yay

[grim prism]

Casts IP for you on a 2 min cooldown

[knotty ermine]

The real question is

[grim prism]

Wew lad

[knotty ermine]

Did you sack up and run orbs on G'huun yet?

[uncut fractal]

@north dove Do I swap the 340 Rezan w/ socket or 355 blockades?

[knotty ermine]

😛

[dark junco]

Well if we could know if 42% haste allows another tclap, or if 42% haste has no more impact than 30% that’d be useful.

[junior ivy]

I RAN ORBS ON GHUUN

[final mist]

And Kral, that doesn't matter, because you'd still stack Haste

[grim prism]

Who is running around with 42% haste tho

[final mist]

Just like we did last expac

[knotty ermine]

@uncut fractal There's no way I would use that over the two trinkets you listed.

[merry cave]

Well done cat, lemme know how you go on second boss. Your comps way better than ours for it

[dark junco]

I’d give more value to versatility at that point

[uneven mason]

"We ran some numbers on healing and absorb trinkets - and decided that the actual value of them should be about 1.5 Ignore Pains, which makes them 1.5x more valuable than the worst tanking abiklity in game"

[grim prism]

Why?

[junior ivy]

we are pros 😄

[grim prism]

LOL

[north dove]

@uncut fractal unless the proc gives you haste or vers, I'd pick Highest Strength value

[shut summit]

😬

[knotty ermine]

Top warrior run on Raider.io took 4 hrs, you got this fam

[severe summit]

Has anyone got any tips for the rotation on Zek'voz for mitigation please? any advice is appreciated

[knotty ermine]

warrior-tanked run*

[final mist]

Keep SB up, use SR just before the first cast gets off

For the tank conbo

[severe summit]

really? shield reflect works?? is this the secret???

[grim prism]

And post logs

Im bored at work

[final mist]

It reduces Magic damage

It does not reflect it

[merry cave]

It reduces magic damage

Damn my slow typing

[high gate]

So i just hit 120 and i guess ill see how prot war holds out. anyplace have a good talent guide?

[frosty wedge]

[merry cave]

[vagrant cape]

[grim prism]

:snip:

[severe summit]

SR on what though?

void lash?

[final mist]

The tank combo

Yes

[dark junco]

Yup

[high gate]

troll? those are not clockable

??

click

[severe summit]

holy shit my mind is fucking blown right now

[frosty wedge]

top right of discord

there's a pin there

[severe summit]

i cant believe SR works on void lash LUL

[grim prism]

The guide on icyveins

[dark junco]

Wait

[final mist]

It's magic damage, why wouldn't it?

[dark junco]

It mitigate

[grim prism]

@severe summit again, it doesnt reflect

Just reduces

[severe summit]

ofc but every little helps

[dark junco]

Not SR

[grim prism]

slightly

[high gate]

lol says click the pins hahaha stoned reading ftw my bad

[severe summit]

thanks a lot guys i reckon you just saved my ass

[dark junco]

You can SR ghuun debuff tho

[grim prism]

@high gate i feels you dawg

[final mist]

There's a sheet in the pins that tells you what is actually reflectable too.

[grim prism]

I have two hours left at this desk, burn one down for me pls

[high gate]

but im still not seeing the pins hahaha

[uneven mason]

read all the links

its the googledoc

[high gate]

guide and resources?

[grim prism]

Top right, itll be three dots or a pushpin icon

[high gate]

ahh i see

[uneven mason]

its also in #268491842637660160

[high gate]

haha

[knotty ermine]

@uncut fractal That trinket absorbs the same as 1.5 IPs, every 2 minutes, and since it procs when you go below 40% hp (which probably happens a LOT) you can hardly control when it gets used. The most likely case, is that it will already be on CD in the event you actually need that shield to save you. So, you're left with the STR that the trinket provides. Comparing that, to Rezan's or Blockades, you will get far more value out of those 2 trinkets than you will out of that measly "little more than an ignore pain" absorb every few minutes.

[high gate]

good looking out

[grim prism]

Let me know if you need help with anything

I like you already

[high gate]

who ?

[grim prism]

You have a classic warrior mindset

You

[dark junco]

Stoners unites

Lol

[high gate]

hahah

well thank you i like you too

[uncut fractal]

@knotty ermine Thanks for the feedback 😃 I'll give it a shot on G'Huun and see how it performs but I'll probably stick to Rezan. Ty!

[high gate]

and I am classic im old 😃

[dark junco]

Thats what it takes to bear the pain of being a warrior =p

[high gate]

^^

[fleet ridge]

Just remember the great times of tanking onyxia and stance dancing

[high gate]

helps with kids and wife also hahaha

[fleet ridge]

that's what brings me back every expansion to play this warrior

[dark junco]

I just did too much on my warrior to change

[uneven mason]

I brougbt back my original main warrior for this Xpac

I Mean

He's #1 of 28

but he's my first

[fleet ridge]

That's an interesting connundrum; people who have been playing the same class for so long; won't give it up for nostalgic sake?

[uneven mason]

I've played every other class

[fleet ridge]

@dark junco

[uneven mason]

just like Warriors

[fleet ridge]

I guess I should rephrase to "main"

[dark junco]

Yup @fleet ridge

[fleet ridge]

I played a paladin, mage, warlock; last expansion

[north dove]

I've player my Prot warrior off and on since Wrath

[uneven mason]

Not even notstalgia

I just don't like how the other tanks play

[fleet ridge]

but i always level my warrior and always end up playing him the most; even if im not raiding on him

its preplexing

*sp

[high gate]

friend request sent lol

I got the next 2 days off so ima no life this and smoke weed lol

[knotty ermine]

Idk, I definitely gave up on my warrior in EN. Went into Legion after taking a long break in WoD, and had so much excitement and promise

EN fury shat aaaaaaaaalll over those dreams

[north dove]

EN?

[grim prism]

NH was great though

[north dove]

Emerald Nightmare?

[knotty ermine]

Emerald Nightmare

Then NH came around

[grim prism]

For fury and for prot

[knotty ermine]

"Idk why I ever left you"

[grim prism]

Sucks the bosses disliked us

Good thing Ignore Mechanics was still a thing then

[north dove]

Yea, convergence of Fates was OP

and drought

[dark junco]

What I miss is class representatives

[uneven mason]

Wat

[grim prism]

What I miss is arguments over how to properly pronounce 'draught'

[knotty ermine]

Coined a TF trinket off of Ellisande and WF of Guldan, same night. I was a benchwarming "alum" at the time. The outrage was real.

[dark junco]

We had better balance when we had that

[uneven mason]

We have pretty solid balance right now

[grim prism]

One time I got two royal dagger hafts off a single pull

[knotty ermine]

Lol

[ember arrow]

just kiulled zul

both tanks died

dps nuked him

[uneven mason]

+++

[knotty ermine]

Still counts

[uneven mason]

Professional level Progression

[grim prism]

@uneven mason we have solid balance if we have a DC trait**

[dark junco]

But they flushed it when they fired Xelnath back in 2012, so we lost class representatives

[grim prism]

Otherwise, enjoy taking like 15% more damage on average

(With a very conservative ballpark)

[dark junco]

^

[uneven mason]

7% overall, I swapped my DC out for some pulls after getting some Uldir shoulders, its an impact but not "15% overall"

[dark junco]

I’ts getting better with more azerite traits thi

Tho*

[uneven mason]

That being said

[dark junco]

I keep my 340s, since AV is really op and raid chest is crap

[uneven mason]

we STILL Out mitigate everyone else by a large amount without DC

[grim prism]

I mean in M+ i feel like its gonna be closer to 20% considering effective uptime

[uneven mason]

Yeah, in M+ yes

[grim prism]

Which is all i do right now

[dark junco]

But we don’t outlive or outsustain

[grim prism]

Because no friends

[dark junco]

I prefer pug raiding and m+ with friends tho

[grim prism]

I havent had a survivability issue, I just think azerite is boneheaded af

[uneven mason]

I mean, went entire tank cycles on HC Zek without being healed. (cause they were dead)

[upbeat folio]

It's their alternative to set bonuses, right?

[uneven mason]

I don't think the other tanks are doing that.

Monks maybe

[grim prism]

We get that the point is to generate recurrent subs

But they went overboard

[dark junco]

If we were that good, we’d see more representation, no? /s

[grim prism]

@upbeat folio replaces artifacts, tier sets, and leggos all at once. Except imo its combining the worst parts of each systen

[dark junco]

“Why isn’t sco running with warriors?”

[upbeat folio]

Are we doing this again, @dark junco

[grim prism]

And prot cant target our BiS azerite because everything but the helm is in dungeons

AKA weekly chance

:rip:

[dark junco]

Its like doing legendaries system, but not dropping from anywhere but weekly cache

Gg

[uneven mason]

We're good, but we don't have room for error - that is why warriors are not push tanks

So if you're dying really fast "not outlasting" mebbie u make mistake I dunno

[grim prism]

Yeah I'm borderline very upset with azerite. I almost unsubbed when they announced the cache "not-changes" this past tuesday

[dark junco]

So you’ve got 104 chances to get an upgrade to 3 slots, which each have a 1/8 chance to drop each weeks

[uneven mason]

they should just make DC baseline part of UF

[grim prism]

The problem is that past a certain point, your advancement becomes purely chance-based

[uneven mason]

Oh Oh I know what would really rock our jimmies

[dark junco]

(Cause they represent 12.5%)

[uneven mason]

Make DC - part of Never Surrender

[frosty wedge]

with WF and TF it's already chance based

[grim prism]

A lot of specs have issues with +30 azerite being downgrades, prot included

[fleet ridge]

When I saw the azerite system; I was like; this looks stupid as hell. I would rather have artifacts then this stupid system

it's more RNG then legenderies

[frosty wedge]

my friend and I both play prot and both ran the exact same content two weeks in a row, and he went into raid week at 356 vs my 345

[grim prism]

@frosty wedge sure, but I can spam +10 atal this week and get +10 level non-az rewards for my effort, which feels good. And TF was intended to spice that up (whether or not it had the intendes result)

[dark junco]

You’re obviously bad @frosty wedge

[grim prism]

But once youve geared up all your non-az

[dark junco]

Its your fault for not getting better gear

[frosty wedge]

yeah fair @grim prism and I know @dark junco

[uneven mason]

380 item level - still wearin that fucking hat from Freehold m0

[dark junco]

( /s just in case)

[grim prism]

Youre praying for a 370 with DC on it, and dreading getting an Az drop because the chances are so slim of having Dc

[uneven mason]

I can see it now

[dark junco]

I just want shoulders from doom howl and I’ll call it quit

But I guess its gonna be like arcano and I’ll get it so late that I’ll have to fish for it with nethershards

[north dove]

It's really annoying how we can't transmog our Artifact shields alone

[grim prism]

I have DC shoulders at 340. If I get 370 shoulders, I'll have to reforge my 355(?) chest and put my 340 chest back on to maintain DC

[dark junco]

We can’t?

[north dove]

no

[grim prism]

Feelsbadski

[dark junco]

Wait what?

[undone sun]

yeah, you have to transmog the weapon and shield

not one or the other

[fiery pendant]

have to transmog to shield and the wep

everyone has that

its sad

[dark junco]

Fucking wtf

[north dove]

RIP BRF Sword mog

[dark junco]

Yeah

[undone sun]

so if you want the mage tower skins for prot you have to use the shitty flail

[north dove]

should be a petition tbh

[knotty ermine]

WHOA

[grim prism]

@dark junco i mean clearly it cant bother you that much if you just heard of it haha

[dark junco]

Was BRF and nelth shield

[knotty ermine]

Shitty flail wtf

Thems fighting words, pal

[grim prism]

The flail looks like ass, im sorry dude

[fiery pendant]

atm

[dark junco]

@grim prism I have 34 xmogs sets, brf setup is one

[undone sun]

because having the flail clip through the floor is nice

[grim prism]

I just want a big fucking spiky ball on a chain

[knotty ermine]

that actually swings*

[dark junco]

And I have one with dragon soul fire mace with brf set and nelth shiled

[grim prism]

And not the Sputnik-looking bullshit pally has, either

[knotty ermine]

THey have the technology, see: A Jar of Eyes in game now

[north dove]

@fiery pendant i still kick myself in the ass for not doing Warlords challenge runs

[grim prism]

Honestly i didnt even know you were allowes to have 34 transmog sets

[dark junco]

The threadmill shield?

Its 20

[grim prism]

I have like a dozen and i thought it was a lot

[dark junco]

You need an addon for more

My upkeep cost for xmog forced me to remove tsm

Cause I didn’t want to know nemore

[knotty ermine]

My mog changes dependent on which content I am running. Everyone knows proper RP adds 10% HP

[dark junco]

^

[knotty ermine]

RP walking through boss mechanics is the real mythic difficulty

[dark junco]

And which faction is involved

Tho if I’m running drunk, i’m either a pirate or in my slutmog

[grim prism]

My everyday mog won #1 in the "freestyle" Trial of Style, so that was my peak enjoyment this expac

[dark junco]

(Male dranei)

[knotty ermine]

Used to be able to run when I was a heckin jacked orc, but... now I'm weak little elf. No way that char is running around in all that plate armor.

[dark junco]

I’m glad we also have plate that show tits- I mean pecs

[grim prism]

Pls change your server nick to Muscletits

[dark junco]

The zandalar plate is op for slutmog

Not sure if that’ll pass with mods

@undone sun Can I take balsaq on his request and change to muscletits?

[grim prism]

As the recipient of several tempbans

I think you would be okay

[knotty ermine]

Muscletits is pretty obscene tbh

Muscleteets should fly low enough under the radar though

Could be a tauren /shrug

[dark junco]

Yeah thats what I was thinking, thus why I asked Thyme

[fleet ridge]

MuscleTaTas

[junior ivy]

k second boss of underrot is hard too 😦

[dark junco]

Yup

[knotty ermine]

Lol yeeerp

[dark junco]

Immunity to destroy shrooms is usefuk

[junior ivy]

how do we do it

he throws maggots like

everywherew

so far away

[grim prism]

@junior ivy step👏on👏those👏ticks

[dark junco]

Oh

[undone sun]

lol

[dark junco]

Soak ‘em

Does it fly Thyme?

[frosty wedge]

so pull him up on the ramp into one wall beside the bones

[junior ivy]

we cant get them all 😦

[frosty wedge]

you can control the charges and get most maggots aside from tantrum all in that one spot

[dark junco]

What Mike said

[frosty wedge]

tantrum you just gotta deal with it

[grim prism]

When you walk in, if the far door to the rest of the dungeon is 12 o clock, you want to tank him at like 10 oclock against the wall

[fiery pendant]

did they fix the bug where he puts them through the wall?

[dark junco]

Yup

[fiery pendant]

oh good

[grim prism]

It keeps charges tight and keeps rampage semi-reasonable

There is a little alcove behind the bones

Thats your home

[frosty wedge]

what does your group makeup look like btw?

[grim prism]

And if you miss more than like 3-4 ticks, grats its a wipe

[junior ivy]

rogue warlock mage priest warrior

[fleet ridge]

Anyone else notice @flat oracle and his constant HL3 playing... 😐

[vocal nimbus]

he also plays warcraft 4

[flat oracle]

Perks of the rank

You get all the latest toys

[undone sun]

lol

[fleet ridge]

haha

[junior ivy]

we killed 2nd boss

[knotty ermine]

JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[vocal nimbus]

😰

[sick sentinel]

48 minutes to down the first boss. Holy crap

[grim prism]

They didnt kill adds fast enough

Blame DPS

[frosty wedge]

and 86 deaths >< lol

[grim prism]

Blame DPS

[worldly ibex]

haste/mast 345 ring or crit/vers 350 ring ?

[grim prism]

I'd take the 345 personally

[frosty wedge]

haste/mast

[worldly ibex]

yeah, was thinking that too

[daring cedar]

My gosh. Guys. Are you having trouble getting groups for M+ (high) as well? Cant even get an invite atm.......

They just dont want Warriors, apparently.

[grim prism]

Yep

[frosty wedge]

We need to pin a message about that too, lol

[grim prism]

My raider.io score is shit right now though so that doesnt help

But yeah, the discrimination is real

[daring cedar]

Indeed

[frosty wedge]

the community at large thinks we suck atm

[daring cedar]

Well, we do

Compared to other classes, we really do.

[grim prism]

Nah

[proud hill]

It also has a point

[grim prism]

We just play differently than every other tank

[daring cedar]

How can you say that, Balsaq 😮

[dusk locust]

then why did a prot warrior get so many m+ records in my raider.io feed

[frosty wedge]

meh, no we don't. We're a little undertuned, but especially for this week, we're fine.

[daring cedar]

Our damage is sick

[proud hill]

How are we fine though?

When like -- all of the other tanks can just do things easier or better

[grim prism]

We are the only ones who tank by pure bricktanking. When played properly, we mitigate more damage and require less heals than other tanks

[proud hill]

Aside from maybe bear.

[daring cedar]

Yes. Look at DK even. Lmao

[digital arrow]

yay go catfriend!

[daring cedar]

Balsaq, that is ignoring so many factors

[frosty wedge]

bear is definitely worse off right now

[grim prism]

Such as?

[sick sentinel]

any1 knows if the trinket from Mythrax is even worth bonus roll?

[frosty wedge]

the one that gies you one IP every 2 mins

[undone sun]

even the best defensive trinket from uldir is shit

[frosty wedge]

def not worth a roll

[grim prism]

We have good mobility. Our toolkit isn't amazing but it's not bad. Our DPS is insane. Our mitigation is almost as insane.

[undone sun]

i'm going to go with a hard no

[lavish spear]

Is mythrax trinket any good?

[undone sun]

literally just asked

[sick sentinel]

aaight, thx Thyme

[grim prism]

We arent the best tank in the game and IP could use a numbers tune

But we arent bad

[lavish spear]

haha totally missed it

[frosty wedge]

I will say, having pacify on my monk is super nice.

don't have to depend on mongo DPS to know how to cc

but we're not designed that way - I much prefer my warr, but I can understand the lack of utility being an issue for groups

[grim prism]

We are exceeding community expectations in raids, at the very least.

[upbeat folio]

I would settle for IP being off the GCD again, like purifying/fortifying.

[grim prism]

Multiple times per hour for the first three weeks we had to listen to people QQ about how awful prot will be for raids

That stopped in a hurry once the raid opened

Would it be nice if we brought more utility to M+? Sure. But I think our ability to hybrid between facetanking and kiteability makes up for it. As well as completely negating skittish with baseline DPS throughput

[sick sentinel]

Guys, is the uldir specific azerite trait 'Archive of the Titans' worthwhile?

it's replacing a 325 piece that had deafening crash on it.

[grim prism]

Then no

Not if thats your only DC piece

[sick sentinel]

figured as much... god I hate azerite gear

[grim prism]

Join the club

[sick sentinel]

and have they explained why two pieces of gear with the same ilvl will have different AP levels required to unlock tiers?

[frosty wedge]

I just happened to get a 370 helm with DC from my weekly ><

[grim prism]

Sure its a 45 ilvl upgrade, but does it quintuple your demo shout uptime? 😬

@sick sentinel nope, maybe it'll be in the Reddit AMA tomorroe

(It wont)

[grim prism]

0 sec

Uh oh

[inland mesa]

Burn the witch

[daring marlin]

@grim prism https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20767678423

Get a load of this thread.

[inland mesa]

I mean grats

[sick sentinel]

luckily I didn't scrap my 325 shoulders... heh

[uneven mason]

I know I shouldn't click on that link, because the community tends to be about as intelligent as your usual middle school class after being clambaked by model glue in shopclass.

[daring marlin]

muh sides

[rain dune]

Almost there!

[frosty wedge]

so close!

[grim prism]

You tryna make me ragecap irl?

[upbeat folio]

You got this, buddy.

[junior ivy]

😄

[daring marlin]

It’s from august 23rd but it seems relevant to what he said about raid opening.

:^)

[grim prism]

Some of the shit people come up with, I swear

[uneven mason]

I stopped reading at AM that does not provide direct armor increase, damage reduction, or self healing component but instead provides only block~

[grim prism]

here's a big list of shit that isn't blockable
I propose more block uptime

[daring marlin]

Right? lol

[grim prism]

Oh by the way

[uneven mason]

Oh

and

Highly reliant on revenge procs for AE threat

BWHAHAHAHAHA

[daring marlin]

LOLOLOL

[grim prism]

Turns out I do a lot more singletarget DPS than I thought

[frosty wedge]

rofl, right?

[daring marlin]

man I get mad when I get revenge procs

[grim prism]

Per our convo yesterdau

[upbeat folio]

Revenge feels like a trap. That's the bigger problem.

[grim prism]

Yeah for real, rev procs keep me from advancing AM

[frosty wedge]

so many people in that thread are like "tanking for the first time ever this xpac, agreed, warriors suck"

[daring marlin]

^^^^^

[uneven mason]

That thread got necro'd something hard

Auguest 23rd to 4 hours ago

[grim prism]

"I have trouble surviving m0 so I can clearly identify the problems with the spec"

[uneven mason]

Betting dude who linked it in here

[grim prism]

🤦

[uneven mason]

is the Thrednomancer

[daring marlin]

naw

[frosty wedge]

to be fair the last opst ebfore today was sept 4th

[daring marlin]

I just saw it on the forums

[frosty wedge]

lol

[daring marlin]

and laughed

[uneven mason]

I guess

but Mike

"BUMP" Isn't a post

its the first word in the necromancy spell

which leads to trolls and facepalms

[grim prism]

If I were to propose changes, which A) I'm not a game dev B) blizz doesnt give a shit, I'd give IP a slight numbers tune to absorb % and take the cooldown off rev

And thats probably it

[frosty wedge]

true, lol

[grim prism]

And make shields titanforgeable again you fucking dicks reeeee

[uneven mason]

I mean, I'd say IP could use a bump from 3.5 to 5 on the AP coefficient

literally would make us god level tanks

[frosty wedge]

I'd love IP off the GCD and slightly numbers buffed

[broken kite]

Remove ip from gcd, buff it and ideally give us something utility for m+

[uneven mason]

0_o

[grim prism]

IP off GCD doesnt solve the problem of clunkiness though

[upbeat folio]

Once again -- settle for IP off the GCD.

[grim prism]

You'll be spending rage at the same speed, since rage expenditure is directly proportional to rage gen

[uneven mason]

IP off the gCD would solve absolutely the same problem Balsaq has when deciding to use menthol or not menthol to shave

[upbeat folio]

It does help a lot, @grim prism . It does nothing about the shitty way avatar/demoralizing shout have to work on a pull for us, but it does help our in fight clunkiness.

[grim prism]

So what would you fill GCDs with?

Dev spam

No thanks

[uneven mason]

I dunno I guess I've adjusted to it

like there is nothing clunky about how prot plays to me anymore

[broken kite]

Defensive abilities on gcd LOL great design

[uneven mason]

you think ahead a few GCDs

you plan your buttons

[frosty wedge]

I'd honestly settle for heroic throw being a ranged interrupt again.

[grim prism]

But how many do we have OFF gcd

[uneven mason]

Like did none of you fuckers play PARAPPA THE RAPPA??

[grim prism]

SB, our main mitigator

[frosty wedge]

in terms of utility

[upbeat folio]

Shield block. Last Stand. Shield Wall.

[grim prism]

LS, also kind of our main mitigator

[broken kite]

They should all be off CD

[grim prism]

SW, big dick cooldown

[uneven mason]

Just move to the beat

[upbeat folio]

Do DKs, DHs or Paladins have similar restrictions?

[broken kite]

They're different classes

[upbeat folio]

I know monks have no such interruption, besides maybe expel harm... which is almost laughable.

[uneven mason]

They each have some of their toolkit on the GCD yes

[broken kite]

Work in different ways

[grim prism]

Like having three defensives off GCD as well as a magic mitigator on a relatively short cooldown?

Idk man

The GCD problems are overstated

[broken kite]

Let's look at monks, I'm sure the brews are on gcd

[uneven mason]

Death Strike, HoTP, FR, (whateverthefuck VDH have) are all on GCD

[broken kite]

Oh wait

[grim prism]

In my opinion at least

[uneven mason]

Brew = Shield Block

[fiery pendant]

their brews are like shield block though

ur tryin to be sarky but it comes off ignorant

[upbeat folio]

Brews are not on the global cooldown. I learned that the hard way when I made my monk. I wish the rage I generated that day affected my warrior's resource gen.

[broken kite]

Maybe isb

[uneven mason]

every class has a AM on the GCD and one off "AM" Loosely used to mean the basic mitigation kit

[broken kite]

Not pb

[vocal nimbus]

pb = isb

[uneven mason]

ISB and PB are 2 sides of the same coin

[vocal nimbus]

they share charges

[frosty wedge]

purifying brew is off the GCD

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=119582/purifying-brew

[broken kite]

I know

That's my point

[grim prism]

IP is more of an uptime buff than an AM in my opinion

[uneven mason]

but still IP being on GCD supports the "think ahead" style of play taht I'm really enjoying for prot

[grim prism]

And really, if it were off GCD youd be pressing dev WAY too much

[uneven mason]

if you want to enjoy prot

start planning your shit

[upbeat folio]

@fiery pendant I feel your point about the snark factor, but the comparison is somewhat valid. Monk's have most of their mitigation baked in, so brews are the chief way you affect gameplay. In practice fortifying does feel very similar to shield block, as does purifying to IP.

[uneven mason]

get used to knowing the fights to a T

ISB + PB = what shield block does for us

ISB literally does not mitigate any damage

it just increases their maximum stagger

[upbeat folio]

It removes banked damage you would otherwise take.

[uneven mason]

they have to use PB to "Mitigate" (remove) the damage

[broken kite]

It's shit design and will guaranteed help putting protection warrior at lowest represention ... Again

[junior ivy]

gettin soo close

[uneven mason]

The design is fantastic I mean

[frosty wedge]

oh, ISB is also not on the GCD? it has an internal cooldown of 1 second

[uneven mason]

"BREWS" are off GCD

like Block

if you look at it one way, they ahve 3 charges of brew

[broken kite]

Why would an internal CD on isb matter

[uneven mason]

if you look at it another way, they have 1.5 charges of "shield Block"

[broken kite]

"oh we better put ip on gcd because hotp is" - devs

🤔

[upbeat folio]

HOTP? Sorry, not super familiar with the acronyms.

[grim prism]

The problem with IP isnt intrinsically that its on global, it's that the way it is tuned makes it feel like a waste of a global to press

[upbeat folio]

Hand of the protector?

[broken kite]

Yep

[uneven mason]

paladin heal

their "IP"

So I mean, I want folks to just kind've do some math on their own, with our current RPS

even accounting for a ~ 8% Increase from freeing up GCDs

[native radish]

If only iP absorbed the entire damage dealt

[upbeat folio]

@grim prism Removing it from GCD or giving it additional power would solve that problem. Either one accomplishes the goal. One of them shaves a little off the skill ceiling, though.

[uneven mason]

how much do you think you're going to be slapping that off GCD IP?

[broken kite]

If only it was more worth using at all

[grim prism]

Keep it on GCD, make it absorb a larger %

[upbeat folio]

But it would be nice to have a stronger, more meaningful button in mitigation.

[uneven mason]

Or have IP deal damage when it expires for the amount absorbed

[grim prism]

That way it feels more impactful, and doesnt linger awkwardly sometimes and make it feel like you are only pressing it for anger mgmt

[upbeat folio]

Whoa.

[uneven mason]

RENAME IT REFLECT PAIN

[grim prism]

Reflect Brain

[broken kite]

We don't need more damage

[grim prism]

[uneven mason]

Dead targets deal no damage

We'd be gods of M+

[upbeat folio]

but u could parry that damage, BRO

[uneven mason]

running up like "FUCKING HIT ME I DARE YOU"

But seriously

IP doesn't feel fantastic

but the GCD isn't the issue

[grim prism]

@upbeat folio not funny

[uneven mason]

its that its not strong enough where it really matters

and where it doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter

[grim prism]

We had a guy unironically tell us his prot friend was espousing Ravager and Indom

[upbeat folio]

Don't mind me. I'm just bitter because some jack ass told me my damage was low so I should get ravager and dragon.

[grim prism]

Bitterness is our primary stat

[upbeat folio]

...you might be right, judging from the last 20 minutes of chat.

[plain vapor]

prots damage is the best though

[uneven mason]

Like

Ravager

89% reduction

[plain vapor]

tclap avatar all you need

[uneven mason]

in Damage

[plain vapor]

clap them cheeks

[uneven mason]

does less damage than a devastate

over 6 seconds

[grim prism]

The last 20 days of chat*

[errant coral]

veiled eye any good btw? just got it warforged heroic with socket 😄

[grim prism]

No its pretty shit actually

Sorry about your WF bro

Welcome to BfA

[errant coral]

😛

[digital arrow]

lmao @ clap them cheeks

[uneven mason]

@grim prism I think the two of us were rather optimistic last week when raids launched, but we've been fencing the "Why does prot suck" question so many times that we've taken arms up and just started bludgeoning folks with the "maybe its you" Hammer without any sort of discourse

[frosty wedge]

rofl

[junior ivy]

last boss of underrot

help

please

[digital arrow]

omw

[errant coral]

loool

in all seriousnes 😛

is the trinket any good?

[grim prism]

@junior ivy heroic throw the fluffs for free VR procs

[junior ivy]

anything else?

do we kill adds?

[grim prism]

@uneven mason no i dont play arms

[dusk locust]

tank the boss near the outside of the room and have everyone also stand to the outside of the boss to bait the breath away from mid

don't bother killing the add the titan is casting on

he kills it

[grim prism]

Have DPS focus the add that ISNT being CC'd by spoopy guy

Only have DPS try to kill both if you are falling behind on open space

Homeboy doesnt purify if he is CCing adds

[uneven mason]

@errant coral No, unless you really don't have anything else to use

[grim prism]

But yeah I agree the prot naysaying has outlived its welcome. The paradigm changed massively from last expac, and people either want to learn the new playstyle or they don't.

It happens at the start of every patch since this discord has existed

[old dawn]

It's just the way of things

[grim prism]

Moreso this than any other time

[rain dune]

For what it's worth I've been playing protection since vanilla and I'm loving my warrior

[uneven mason]

^^

Prot feels Protectiony

more so than it has in a long time

I feel like a brick made out of titanium

[primal quartz]

I miss the OP IP from legion >.<

[grim prism]

Protection: mitigate a fuckload of damage
Warrior: pump out a fuckload in return

Nailed it

[calm whale]

Besides ip it does feel pretty good

[rain dune]

I feel like people are ignoring just how strong bolster makes us when they complain about mitigation downtime

[grim prism]

I'd like to see a numbers tune on IP like I said, but I don't expect it

[calm whale]

[

[uneven mason]

"Protection - stop shit from hurting you/friends + Warrior - Scream a lot and break shit with metal (or whatever is handy) objects"

[calm whale]

^

[rain dune]

And honestly I feels okay. I just would like a larger cap

[calm whale]

Yeah

[uneven mason]

the cap is fine at 1.3

[grim prism]

Right. If you have mitigation downtime, it's almost certainly because you doubled up inappropriately.

[uneven mason]

it needs to be larger on cast

not larger to stack

[grim prism]

And on the flipside of that, every tank in the game except maybe DK has to kite at some point

[uneven mason]

*tank

DKs kite a lot

they're rather professional at it

[rain dune]

Sorry, that's what I should've said

[grim prism]

People seem content to just sit there and get gangbanged by melee mobs and then blame the game for their playing incorrectly

[uneven mason]

"lets grip all this junk into my 50% snare shit field"

and walk in a circle (because they can't run)

[hazy path]

And then walk out with our "impossible to slow button"

[grim prism]

Bricktank while you can, kite when you can't.

Ezpz

[uneven mason]

I tank for 1 stun and 2 TCs - leap(or intercept to ranged) jog around a bit while the healer tops you off, get back in and finish them off with VR/TC spam

[grim prism]

Warrior shouldnt have to be rocket science but damn if it doesnt feel that way when I review people's logs

[uneven mason]

"hurr why'd I die - 👁 @ 30% uptime on DS 1 cast of LS"

[hazy path]

Did you count ignore pain in the no down time theory

[grim prism]

BUT IM DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT

My personal favorite argument

[digital arrow]

i refuse to kite

like a coward

[grim prism]

I'M 355 AND I'M GETTING ONESHOT THROUGH MITIGATION IN A +4

[digital arrow]

warriors arent cowards!!

[grim prism]

Then stop eating mechanics

Fuck

[primal quartz]

meh if I wanted to kite I would play frost mage lol

[calm whale]

Guilty of standing in aoe while tanking

[grim prism]

I mean, it just becomes a necessity in high M+

[uneven mason]

Yeah like, I solo'd a heroic island lastnight...cause...warriors are bad.

[grim prism]

Eventually

Less so this week than on fort weeks

[digital arrow]

take aoe's like a man

lol jk

[calm whale]

How is everyone handling skittish?

[frosty wedge]

Fort necrotic was awful

[hazy path]

What's skittish

I thought that didn't count for warriors

[grim prism]

@calm whale by thunderclapping

[old dawn]

skittish basically doesn't matter for warriors

[frosty wedge]

I'm just putting out more damage than everyone else... Lol

[old dawn]

thanks tc and avatar

[calm whale]

Is it not as bad as last xpac then?

[grim prism]

Worst case scenario, hang onto shockwave

Oh it's worse, we just do so much AoE damage that it hardly mattera

[hazy path]

Honestly it's all about the gaze

[calm whale]

Oh true

[hazy path]

Look the box down right in the eyes

They never let you go after that

[uneven mason]

Kurthulu our DPS is so high that the issue with skittish doesn't really apply to us

[junior ivy]

WE FINSIHED

UNDERROT 11

[grim prism]

Absolute worst case scenario, you lose aggro with three GCDs left on TC

[uneven mason]

like "oh no we produce the same aggro as a DPS, golly I'ma worry about that when the DPS fucking catch me"

[grim prism]

So you shockwave and it doesnt matter

[hazy path]

Ok can we stop talking positively about warrior before we get nurfed for no reason

[grim prism]

@junior ivy my hero 🖤

[shut summit]

[calm whale]

Hmm i was hesitant to hop into it but i guess theres no need to worry

[uneven mason]

🤔

[green isle]

[digital arrow]

good SHIT catfriend good SHIT

[hot locust]

[uneven mason]

I call lies, warriors can't finish anything past a +5 just ask what was that dude in here earliers name

[grim prism]

@hazy path but👏prot👏is👏shit👏tank

[hazy path]

Yes very bad

xD

[grim prism]

Honestly even if we went on the forums and talked about how great it is

[hot locust]

@shut summit gimme your shield 😡

[uneven mason]

We'd get buried

[green isle]

@hot locust good players get good rng

if your shield is bad, i don't know what to tell you

[grim prism]

Blizz hasnt given this spec any communication since MoP, if i'm not mistaken

[shut summit]

Lol

[grim prism]

We are redheaded steptanks

[broken kite]

Haven't seen any in bfa that's for sure

[hazy path]

Hot and spicy. And the son that likes going out loves us. Mom hates us tho that's a fact

[primal quartz]

I thought warrior was in a good place in legion, when we could outheal DKS if we played right >.<

[broken kite]

Just post on the ama

Only if dks were shit

[grim prism]

@broken kite but i dont want to get permabanned

R/wow is such a great place

[broken kite]

Just don't be an asshole

You'll be fine

[uneven mason]

Is that possible?

[broken kite]

Lol

[uneven mason]

I thought that was a requirement

to post on /r/wow

[old dawn]

r/wow makes mildly depressed

[broken kite]

Guess it depends on your pov

[grim prism]

Apparently asking about any of the game systems counts as "being a dick", to quote the moderatoes

[hazy path]

I would honestly avoid tlakong about warriors at all negatively or positively it's either nurf DMG for more defensive which I don't want or nurf both ebcause fuck warriors which I also don't want

[old dawn]

I've been a herald for us on their though.

[uneven mason]

Like the toll now is either a fucking meme, a fat girl in cosplay or being a douche crybaby

[hazy path]

Loool

[grim prism]

And man their memes are soooo baaaaad

God I hate r/wow

This one post I saw today

[old dawn]

I ushered a few warriors over toward this discord

[uneven mason]

@grim prism you get that logical important questions off that subR, it belongs in r/competitivewow

[green isle]

😔

[grim prism]

This guy was saying that he is a disc priest and his friend is a BM hunter, and they are both good players, but they can't break 1500 and want to know why?

Like holy shit that makes me want to smash my keyboard to pieces with my face

And this keyboard was fucking expensive at one point

[chilly brook]

I love proving healers wrong in m+

[hazy path]

The best way I find is to salt the keyboard then blend it, goes well with any broken priests hunters etc

[grim prism]

You can lose more than half your games and still break 1500 in under 40 games

You lose like 8 rating per loss at that point

[chilly brook]

TBH 1500 is ez

[grim prism]

It makes me physically ill to try to imagine someone so bad at the game

That they cant break 1500 in 2s with the memeiest of memecomps

And thats the kind of person who posts on r/wow

[chilly brook]

It’s funny to me how pretty much every healer I meet that’s like “prot warrior is paper mache” ends up adding me when they realize that prot warriors aren’t

[fleet ridge]

But Griff you are a god among men, obv.

[grim prism]

I would decline them out of spite, but you guys probably knew that about me by now

[fleet ridge]

lol

[digital arrow]

teach me griff!!

[chilly brook]

Hearts and minds bois hearts and minds

[grim prism]

More like sharts and whines

Just kidding I love pug groups

I need to tone down the spiciness today.... sigh

[chilly brook]

At this point I should just make a video guide and refer people to it

[grim prism]

At this point you should get your M+ score up because I think I passed you last night and my life is a meme

[chilly brook]

You probably did, I’m not really all that concerned with m+ score

[grim prism]

I know but I don't raid so I have no other way of flexing right now

[chilly brook]

I just want the gear

[grim prism]

Me too, thats why I dont raid

[chilly brook]

And the most important gear isn’t able to be looted in m+ 😑

[grim prism]

Literally all I want out of Uldir is the helm off MOTHER

[chilly brook]

Still need to get 10s done this week

Oh I got that

Out of normal though

And my current helmet is DC

[grim prism]

Everything else has an alternative that is just-as-good-or-better in AtalDazar or KR

[chilly brook]

Soooo kinda sol unless I go farm a DC chest or shoulders from a regular Mythic

[grim prism]

AD, KR, and UR drop everything prot needs except wrist and hands

There is literally no reason for us to ever run waycrest or siege, aside from transmog

[clear sapphire]

But that pirate sword from siege........

[grim prism]

... Isnt as well itemized as the mace from AD

Rip

If they didnt just nerf shield TFs i'd say Mother is the only boss we need

[clear sapphire]

It's the mog that matters. Looking cool makes you play more confidently

[grim prism]

Yeah but my mog is already cool and i dont have shit that matches the cutlass :(

Tribal Blade OP by the way

Definitely not compensating for anything

[woeful reef]

lol

[clear sapphire]

I did get my lightsaber off H mythrax last week though. Matches my do mog

[chilly brook]

I mean I actually have to keep my arms set up to snuff

So there’s reasons to run other places

I’m pretty solidly slotted as MT but if there’s cases where prot does better as an OT I OT and if we can 1 tank it I’ll probably be going DPS for it

[grim prism]

Too bad arms got dumpstered in PvP this week

[chilly brook]

Plus in the off chance we get someone who is a better tank than I am I won’t stand in his way

[cinder nova]

Go fury

fury is plenty stronk

[grim prism]

Fury is still fun at least

[chilly brook]

I love Arms tbh

Fury is fun but not as fun to me

[grim prism]

Not so much in pvp though, in pvp its just arms with leas utility

[fringe marten]

Would you guys use a gore crusted butchers block 365 over the blockades trinket, or eye of rezan 350? crit is so bleh..but? it's still defensive'ish

[chilly brook]

I’d be surprised if Arms is useless in pvp after nerfs

[grim prism]

Playstyle wise i have always preferred fury, even when it was abject shit

Its not useless; it needed the nerf badly

[surreal maple]

My warriors, my friends, never attempt a king's rest last boss on a +9 with a disc priest healing

[grim prism]

Im just salty because the only two things I leveled this expac (lock and war) got nerfed

[chilly brook]

I’d like to test that theory

[grim prism]

And i will have to actually use brain cells to be good at pvp now

[chilly brook]

I’ve not had an issue with disc healers

[grim prism]

Which i was trying to avoid by playing arms

[woeful reef]

I think like Prot Warriors there is a wide gap between good Disc players and those not so good.

[chilly brook]

^

Disc is literally the prot of healers

[grim prism]

@fringe marten block might be good in M+ due to how crit works defensively? But probably not

[sick sentinel]

I love the flavor blizzard gives to dungeon gear

fucking fire resist man

[woeful reef]

Disc became FOTM big time so tons of people jumped on the train, makes sense that a lot of them won't be great at it.

[fringe marten]

Balsaq yeah...lots of mobs throwing attacks, lots of parries

but in raids..no

[grim prism]

I generally dislike procs

[fringe marten]

yeah but it's about all we got atm

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim prism]

They always pop when you dont need em

[fringe marten]

everything is a proc and I don't dig the clicky trinks

not the current clicky trinks

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m running a 370 syringe because why not

Ez strength and damage

[surreal maple]

like i mitigated a lot on that fight keeping the block for teh blade combo, but the ability dealt dmg still and if it did like 15% of my hp teh disc only healed 7% and so i was stuck slowly grinding my hp down

[fringe marten]

I want that disc from uhh? Zekvoz? that procs a cone of damage..wannit~

[surreal maple]

( not actuall percentages just an explanation)

[grim prism]

Yeah blade combo hurts

I did just a 7 and even that was sketchy

May have been a 6 even

[chilly brook]

I’d like to replace blockades but apparently there’s not much that would be worth replacing it with

[grim prism]

But my healer is a pvp main

So

Its a different game lol

[chilly brook]

Yea I need to gear my pally for pvp healing @grim prism

I was attempting to gear my Druid as an off option for tanking but well

I feel like a piece of wet paper

With lots of sheets behind it

[grim prism]

Disc seems to fall behind when party heals are an issue

[idle flower]

I got 3 Rings 355 (Haste Mastery) , 355 (Crit Haste) and a 370 (Vers ,Mastery) which one should I choose / how can I sim best for tankin?

[grim prism]

But i only consistently run with one disc

[tawny lantern]

hey guys any protection war doing mythic progresion around here?

[grim prism]

@idle flower 370 and the haste/mast

[chilly brook]

Avoid avoidable damage

@tawny lantern as soon as my guild decides to kick their asses in gear and get out of heroic

[grim prism]

We dont have working sims, unfortunately

[chilly brook]

@idle flower 370 and the haste mastery

[grim prism]

But 15 ilvl of stat budget alone is a win, and those are good stats to boot

[surreal maple]

lol I'm third warrior tank in my realm in mythic+ score

[wide juniper]

@tawny lantern I am. Second night of mythic raiding is tonight.

[surreal maple]

this is truly a dark time

[wide juniper]

We only worked on it for a short time Tuesday.

[grim prism]

@surreal maple are you on a dead server too

[idle flower]

and is this item in 365 any good? ( https://www.wowhead.com/item=159626/lingering-sporepods&bonus=4777:1482 )

[chilly brook]

I haven’t even checked m+ scores for prot on Tich

[surreal maple]

draenor ded

lul

[grim prism]

I'm the #7 in all roles with less than 450 points lol

[chilly brook]

@tawny lantern why do you ask?

[grim prism]

#2 prot

@idle flower meh

There are better options, depending on what is available to you

[idle flower]

got blockades and 'Jes howler

[grim prism]

Is it just me, or have all tank trinks since WoD sucked?

Use those

[chilly brook]

#22 on Tich for prot

446 raider.io score

[surreal maple]

nice

[sick sentinel]

Using blockades + fathoms.

[steel mauve]

there were a few decent ones, but they have been hit or miss, either good, or just trash, as if they dont really understand how to create tanking trinkets

[severe summit]

hey guys, ive checked the pinned messages and searched online, is there a spreadsheet available for best trinkets based upon ilvl?

[finite cairn]

I mean they just didn’t even try to make any for uldir, they gave up

[grim prism]

@severe summit nope

Whats up

[severe summit]

because i have 370 syringe and 370 disc, but also a 355 gorecrust and blockades

[grim prism]

Dang

[severe summit]

im thinking syringe and disc might be good for M+ and syringe and blockades best for raids?

but i literally have no idea

also thanks a lot for your help guys on vectis, legit it made a HUGE difference, ended up killing it after a few tries on hc

[grim prism]

Id do syringe and gorecrust for M+

You dont need more damage

[severe summit]

but the aoe dmg on packs is just so SWAG

[grim prism]

But thats a tough call and thats just my opimion

Yeah but youre already beating all the dps so no need to rub it im

[severe summit]

feelsgoodman

last week's affixes were really bad lol, but this weeks are so good for us warriors

[grim prism]

IM NOT PADDING YOURE PADDING

[mellow bridge]

yeah good affixes

Actually so lucky

got a lot of time this weekend to push and it's good affixes

🙏

[grim prism]

Blessup

[clear nimbus]

Hi guys do you think I need to up the mastery now ?

[knotty ermine]

Got a lot of time to push this weekend as well, including being off tomorrow

...and then this hurricane showed up.

[mellow bridge]

sucks

[uncut fractal]

damn im getting obliterated by G'huun HC

any tips

he hits way too hard

[mortal pike]

Flame healers

no meme

[fiery pendant]

Anyone else getting cockslapped by zul in p2?

[mortal pike]

Ask for BoPs so you dont have to sit through the full duration of the dot

[fiery pendant]

We don’t have a paladin 😦

[mortal pike]

other externals then

[fiery pendant]

Just had last pull for the night, but we’re doing the cc hexers and yolo push strat, haven’t quite cleaned up having the crusher dead and tanks topped off so we keep dying

Just felt like he was doing way too much damage to deal with, will see if ironbark and wings can deal it it next raid haha

Disc rdruid hpriest rsham

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh part of your job as a tank is that if you’re not struggling survivability wise to do what you can within reason to boost your damage @severe summit I’d say trinkets play a major part in that so on a fight to fight basis just swap them out

[junior ivy]

all these m+s im doing and there are still 12 prot warirors on my realm ahead of me in m+ score

its not fair

[prisma crane]

@clear nimbus that's now how you should be looking at gear

for prot warrior, upgrades are item specific, not overall stats

and in the lionshare of cases, ilvl is most important

[astral crystal]

nobody plays prot warr on my realm

i'm #1 prot warr on zj for m+ and 12 overall i think

FeelsBadMan

really few people seem to be playing prot overall

[earnest zinc]

Feels bad they leave us in this state

[astral crystal]

we're not really terrible imo

just would be nice if we could get our gapless sblock again

[cinder nova]

Prot isn't allowed to have nice things

[earnest zinc]

DK and Monk are too OP

[cinder nova]

Because if we do apparently everyone else screams and cries

Neither of them are OP

[prisma crane]

prot right now is suffering from the same shit alliance is suffering from

[sick sentinel]

#5 prot warr on my server.

[cinder nova]

Slap-job design?

[upbeat folio]

Let's not do this again today.

[earnest zinc]

There were practically riots when prot warrior was the top tank in EN

[prisma crane]

the player base was hit hard, then hit again, and now, unless they make us op enough for people to swap, ppl will just continue to play what they ahve been

no one will main swap for a marginal gain

unless WF, etc etc

[sick sentinel]

Dead server though, and also not raiding. Although our guild only one with heroic uldir kills and full clear normal.

🤷

[earnest zinc]

No one seemed to care when Guardian was just as OP

Blizz hates prot warriors

[prisma crane]

na, we're not shit, if they hated us we'd be shit

they just like DKs and DH more

well, in M+

and monks just have the toolkit that's hard to beat for pure tanking

[earnest zinc]

It's rare that prot warrior is competitive

Ever since ICC

[prisma crane]

but back then, nearly everything was blockable

and the grip/aoe meta wasnt a thing

[earnest zinc]

DK and DH are the only tanks viable for 25+ M+

[prisma crane]

and it's not rare that we're competitive

[weak zephyr]

Wow that feels bad man

[prisma crane]

just rare that we're at top, the only thing annoying is being low ranked for both M+ and Raids

[weak zephyr]

My guild honestly wished that I picked brewmaster monk instead of prot warrior.

[prisma crane]

at least throw us a bone for one or the other

[astral crystal]

@earnest zinc pally is looking pretty solid

[prisma crane]

monks great in raid, meh in M+, DH the other way around

[astral crystal]

really strong kiting

[prisma crane]

pallies solid in both

[earnest zinc]

I'm rerolling Brew because Blizzard doesn't give a shit

[prisma crane]

DK solid in both

[weak zephyr]

Meh I may as well be a blood dk too.

[prisma crane]

Bears same as monks, but not quite as good in each

[earnest zinc]

I hope they give DKs a big nerf

[weak zephyr]

But I'm still convinced that I could be the best protection warrior. If only I could bash my ignore pain button harder

[prisma crane]

whereas we're tied for bottom in both M+ and Raids

or second from bottom

hitting IP more often wouldnt save us

[weak zephyr]

"tied for bottom" oof

[earnest zinc]

The best prot warriors have rerolled

[prisma crane]

Sense didnt 😉

and a few others havent

but the fact that we're 8% of raid tanks in heroic... oof

cant wait for enough mythic logs to see representation there as well

[junior ivy]

am i gonna have troublr getting into heroic pugs and m+ pugs cause of my class?

[upbeat folio]

If you do, it won't be much or for long. I wouldn't give it undue thought.

[prisma crane]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=10:maxMythicLevel=14

@junior ivy same as legion, yea

[junior ivy]

people have done +16s in time.. wow

and 15s..

[prisma crane]

yea

[weak zephyr]

I haven't even done my +2 yet...

[mellow bridge]

The +16 freehold run was really nice

Watched the vid

[prisma crane]

these are ppl who ranked in the MDI and have practiced on beta though

[mellow bridge]

Well then get to do it, +2 is ez pz

[junior ivy]

i got a +11 motherlode to do this weekend

and a +11 siege

[weak zephyr]

I actually haven't ever done a mythic+ ever tbh

[mellow bridge]

Got two +9 keys ready for tomorrow to push to 10 at least each

Looking forward to it

Not interested in it @weak zephyr?

[weak zephyr]

I only actually started it this expansion, and never got into it during the time I came back from cataclysm in legion.

[prisma crane]

i honestly have little idea how prot warr can be more viable for M+

without adding full abilities, we'd have to probably get a massive dps boost

[junior ivy]

😦

[weak zephyr]

I mean I'm interested but don't know wtf I should be doing for mythic+

[mellow bridge]

We will never be the best or a top m+ class until a spec rework or us being massively broken

But that's fine

[prisma crane]

there are good guides and videos

[mellow bridge]

We don't have to be

Unless you're going for crazy world firsts and super high runs

[prisma crane]

i agree, but im tired of being near bottom tier

and if i'm near bottom, let me be near top for raids

[weak zephyr]

Prot warriors rise up

[mellow bridge]

@weak zephyr If you wanna run m+, just choose a dungeon to do, prolly your own key, read/watch a guide so you know what's going on and just try it

Like the difference between normal mythic and +2 is negligible

[weak zephyr]

I heard the difficulty spike gets insane after like 3