You literally never move
#protection
knotty ermine
untold tendon
How do you get a squirrel down from a tree?
Pull down your pants and show him your nuts!
knotty ermine
Except for the crossfire
untold tendon
How do you get a squirrel down from a tree?
Pull down your pants and show him your nuts!
knotty ermine
You move... like 2 inches.
uneven mason
@final mist Are we allowing squirrel memes?
untold tendon
lol
uneven mason
Thought this was a no furries channel.
static pilot
He's right, let's discuss Prot viability instead
amber siren
static pilot
๐
knotty ermine
Idk about you guys, but I've been running with a resto druid since launch. Swapped last night to a mistweaver, and it's like a whole new world
final mist
MW have the best ST throughput atm and really good group healing.
jovial reef
and the best cc in the game
final mist
They're probably the most compatible healers for Prot.
knotty ermine
Its SO good. Plus RoP is fckin hax in bfa dungeons
especioully on necrotic week
especially*
knotty ermine
Druid healer is like "need burst heals, what's that? Here, take this 10k rejuv over 8 seconds and tell me in the morning how it worked out for you"
Definitely feels an order of magnitude better tanking with MW healing than with druid though.
Also, MW dropping RoP on adds that DPS are too "differently abled" to know they need to hold dps momentarily on
static pilot
Druid profile and Prot profile isn't really the best match, druids go better with bm monks (IMO)
knotty ermine
because we already had 5 stacks of bursting
hax
Yeah, for sure. Same healer with a run I was DPS'ing and we had a BM monk running was smooth as butter.
static pilot
Makes sense, hots and stagger have fantastic synergy
fathom marten
@final mist did you down mother? Didnt catch if you said yes or no
final mist
No. People couldn't figure out how the bugged death zones worked to avoid them.
jovial reef
Beta For All
woven sedge
@knotty ermine what does that position on the last boss of tol daggor do for ya?
regal yacht
@uneven mason Is there some kind of haste cap i should be shotting for. Or do I just stack haste as much as i can
final mist
No Haste cap, no.
Get as much as you can without sacrificing ilevel.
That positioning on the Tol'Dagor boss allows you to ignore the cannons.
They don't swing around far enough to hit that corner if you're tucked in.
dusk locust
what do you do with your camera in there
shut summit
topdown
uneven mason
^
knotty ermine
Healer doesn't have to stand there btw. If you have two melee, obviously you would want the melee dps tucked in the corners and healer/other dps backed out
mellow bridge
Yeah the healer and dps positions are flexible
For the crossfire you can then just take like two steps forward and stand in the Boss
Literally in his model, won't hit you then you can move back
dusk locust
oh nice
knotty ermine
Yep.
Just need more people to know about it. I toss up beacons fast af in m+ pugs lol
"Pick a beacon and stand in it, if you move for any reason other than crossfire we wipe, other wise you never have to move gg"
frosty wedge
so.... my warrior is still way more fun than my monk, but my BrM is infinitely easier to heal apparently... but again, that's coming from a druid healer
knotty ermine
Yea BM and RD have pretty stellar synergy
Druid healer and prot warrior feelsbadman
tight tree
Fun can be different. Not worrying about dying is fun for me ๐
frosty wedge
yeah, I have a MW I like running with on my warr
knotty ermine
Plus BMis just really powerful, esp if you have a the specific amount of autism required to play the class perfectly
abstract surge
do i use a 370 azerite armor piece with ignore pain over a 340 with BFI
frosty wedge
yes
uneven mason
Yes
abstract surge
ok ty
uneven mason
the ONLY trait that trumps Item level is DC
frosty wedge
the only trait worth losing ilvl for is DC and even then it's like ~25 ilvls
uneven mason
basically 1 tier of Azerite armor
abstract surge
ok good i got that
uneven mason
(since azerite only comes in 15 level gaps)
I'm actually finding Bloodsport to be somewhat nice since a lot of the heavy damage in ULdir is DOTs
hard hitting ones
frosty wedge
yeah, I think 1xDC + 2x BS is good for magic hevay fights
was anyone else super lucky with their 370 caches this week btw?
I don't raid, really only run m+ with friends b/c my work schedule is too insane
knotty ermine
Spores trinket any good after the buff?
digital arrow
What's DC stand for? Is it an armor piece?
tight tree
Spore is no good
knotty ermine
Blegh
tight tree
I got super unlucky with chest. And why the fuck they added cast time to opening. Boosting time played metric?
knotty ermine
Exactly why
open bluff
well i wouldn't say it's "no good," it makes a nice ilvl piece in your bags for group finder
knotty ermine
2 seconds more across all players still in game
open bluff
so clearly it has some use
frosty wedge
lol
knotty ermine
adds up brah
frosty wedge
I'm actually running blockades/sporepods atm b/c I got it at 355 from an underrot 7 ... and my only other trinket worth using is a 340 jes'
knotty ermine
Blockades/Rezans atm. I was hoping the embalming wraps would be much better after the buff, and for about an hour it was, but then I replaced most of my vers pieces lol
frosty wedge
super stoked about the 370 weapon/shield from warfront and emmisary of war this week though
I got super lucky.
knotty ermine
got a 370 weapon from weekly quest and 355 shield off G'huun last night. Felt pretty good
frosty wedge
nice
knotty ermine
Got shit from the m+ chest and shit from the pvp chest
uneven mason
I got a 380 weapon offa Taloc
frosty wedge
knotty ermine
0.0
frosty wedge
from weekly dungeon emmisary.
uneven mason
infront of my GM who is a fury warrior, who is still using 340s
knotty ermine
Fury is my offspec, and I got Get and Sharksplitter first week of mythic
Was using a blue shield until late last week
The game knows...
digital arrow
Whoa emissary quest?? Are u horde or alliance @frosty wedge
knotty ermine
"You think you want to tank, but you really don't" -Blizz
wide juniper
Man the uldir trinkets suck
knotty ermine
I mean, most tank trinkets atm feel very "eh"
wide juniper
And of course I got one from my 4 mythics today
frosty wedge
first tier trinkets always suck
knotty ermine
Blockades even felt terrible til what.. last week? week before?
wide juniper
yesterday I mean
frosty wedge
so I dinged 120 on my BrM 15 minutes after they hotfixed a minimum ilvl onto warfronts.
feelsbad
blissful imp
Just run 2 mythic 0 with friends man
knotty ermine
I dislike the change, but I play horde side, so the tsunami of alliance tears has made the annoyance worth it
frosty wedge
oh my BrM is like 335 now, I ran a few heroics, got to 320 and then ran like 5 mythics and a couple warfronts
need rings and a weapon now
north dove
is there a tier list for Prot traits?
frosty wedge
check the pins
north dove
k
frosty wedge
Idelly you want 1xDC and 2x BFI but iron fortress is also solid
DC is worth losing like 25 ilvls on to make sure you have 1
frosty wedge
definitely
I only use a couple, but definitely worth it
I have a shield block+bolster tracker, and an IP tracker
stable elm
WA is part of your skill basically
sick sentinel
WAs for dungeons and raids is so much better than dbm/big wigs, and using both you know feel like a god that always does 0 mistakes
stable elm
Want it to be truth
cloud cosmos
Do you guys have a pawn string for war prot ?
elfin arrow
about to get yelled at lol
knotty ermine
Pawn string goes like this: ilevel > all, except make sure you have DC
That's why haste has such a high priority.
knotty ermine
Psh. Run with a full melee group like a gdamn hero
maybe YOU won't always have it maxed
๐
north dove
yea considering how close quarters these dungeons are
wide juniper
Oh, we're talking m+? not raid?
valid gorge
wide juniper
Not either or
knotty ermine
Raids are for nerds. You a nerd?
fresh tendon
I've been keeping a pet out and it's hit/miss but it will gimme a stack as well
knotty ermine
Also, jokes aside, regardless of ITF, haste is incredibly powerful for prot.
fresh tendon
If you're worried about stacks
dusk locust
you guys ever start a dungeon and feel like ITF isn't actually applying and you're attacking slow af
north dove
has anyone updated Tidyplates?
knotty ermine
Even if all it did was reduce the cd on SB, it would be really good to have. Laziest/simplist way I can put it is, Ilevel > (almost) all, and if you have 2 equal pieces, I go with the piece that has the most haste.
Since when, mine was updated yesterday
silk belfry
Idk if this is listed somewhere here but what is the soft and hard caps for Haste?
uneven mason
Soft cap 164% (I think thats where we hit 100% SB uptime) Hard cap - well that certianly makes me...
amber siren
become a gearscore nerd
uneven mason
So in other words - no obtainable or logical cap
silk belfry
No shit? I can just have every piece with haste on it and get full effect?
uneven mason
yes
silk belfry
Outstanding, thank you gentlemen
uneven mason
I Mean, when you get down to it, haste will continue to reduce SS/SB/TC CDs until they hit 1
knotty ermine
More haste, more rage, more AM
uneven mason
and by 1 I mean whatever the server desync is
but we're talking exponential levels of haste
vale basalt
@north dove look for" tidy plates continued". Its not on curse for rights issues but it is on GitHub. Some dudes took it upon themselves to keep this addon going.
sweet pike
How's prot doing in m+ and raid?
north dove
@vale basalt omg that's awesome
knotty ermine
Oh, sorry. @north dove I read that as "threat plates" (which I used as a replacement to tidy)
north dove
so i have to copy pasta the old school way?
vale basalt
Yes sir
knotty ermine
Give it a look, it's pretty awesome.
vale basalt
Yeah
north dove
k
uneven mason
@sweet pike we're doing fantastic, just not many folks play us at a optimal level (we're a lot harder to play than other tanks)
uneven mason
I play prot for the challenge
vale basalt
Other tanks are retard proof.
uneven mason
and so I can link stuff like...75% Mitigation values to the prot paladin who only mitigates 60% and gets chunked by Thrash
uneven mason
TFW your guild runs 2 raid teams and the other tanks take 20% less raw damage but require 20% more healing
north dove
oh so i need a wago addon
young harbor
weakauras
knotty ermine
Could be wrong in this, but my understanding also is that prot has the highest overall dmg output of the tanks. They definitely crush it in AoE, and it's a huge boon to your group
old zephyr
We do crazyer
knotty ermine
Like... avatar cycles feel incredible.
heady pivot
overall during mythic+ avatar cycle is beast
mossy narwhal
Yet to be in a group with a prot warrior - here because im thinking of taking mine as alt :D
It looks solid though when played correctly
knotty ermine
Running some m+ tonight before the hurricane shows up, hit me on bnet and I'll show you the way and the light (but not that lame pally light that those plebs beg to save them)
north dove
how do i copy folders on github?
mossy narwhal
I'm eu though :D
mossy narwhal
What is the hard part of play prot btw ? If you know the mechanics you judt cycle your cds or am i completely wrong?
uneven mason
you have to think ahead of the damage
we have no from behind recovery
so you have to recognize gaps and prepare for them
and not just slap CDs like a flipperhanded chimp
So yeah, knowledge of mechanics, balancing your rage spending, not using CDs when they're not needed and maximizing effective uptime
we have a MUCH smaller health pool
but take considerably less damage
So that means played properly, we're amazing - played poorly - you die
fresh tendon
Any trolls? Wondering best berserking usage, figure just when low rage.
uneven mason
we have no extra padding
knotty ermine
Prot has the highest potential for getting their ish pushed in
uneven mason
Berserking would be used on CD more or less
fresh tendon
Dope, thx
knotty ermine
Also, most tanks hold cds for when they are needed
fleet ridge
That's the hardest thing for the general wow population to understand; warriors are not bad at all; but they die quickly is played incorrectly
if*
knotty ermine
Unless there is a specific ability to save it for, you pretty much keep your cds on cooldown
uneven mason
More or less
knotty ermine
Generally speaking
uneven mason
maximizing DS uptime during tanking windows is professional level
Everyone should be like Griff
70% DS uptime
dudes OCD
knotty ermine
Also, this tip may or may not apply to you, but make a WA to yell at you when LS is up and call you names if you use shield block during LS
fleet ridge
Can you actually create that
knotty ermine
Yes?
fleet ridge
to have it yell at you; that would be amazing
uneven mason
use the 2 WA posted in the pins
fleet ridge
YOU SUCK ASS
uneven mason
and then add a sound effect
knotty ermine
Of course you can lol
fleet ridge
amazing lol
knotty ermine
I have WAs that yell at me about everything
uneven mason
There was a fury WA
knotty ermine
"Take off your Org ring, idiot"
uneven mason
that if you pressed Rampage at lower than 100 rage would call you a fucking idiot
silk belfry
@knotty ermine @uneven mason legit thanks!
fleet ridge
hahaha
knotty ermine
Funny, use that still, I just modified it to yell at me when I'm close to capping like an idiot
uneven mason
HIT THE BUTTON
knotty ermine
Have one to yell at me when Sanguine is under me or the mob I'm tanking
Because until yesterday I had that shit ass azerite trait that covered the floor and made shit under you annoying to see
uneven mason
ugh
UGGGHHH
I actually died
because that glob
Io only have it because I swapped peices to hold DC
knotty ermine
Streamers using those passive, non-invasive alert sounds in WA are using WA wrong imo
uneven mason
I got my shoulders from Uldir
knotty ermine
Have it yell at you for being dumb, and your gameplay improves 10x
wintry ermine
what do you guys do about the bleed in kings rest and the spellcasters in shrine of storms / motherlode?
knotty ermine
Boss/trash casting an ability that you needed to use SB for, but SB is on CD? "Suck!"
In kings rest
wintry ermine
thats the only time I feel like I suck
knotty ermine
WHich spellcasters in shrine
blissful imp
SotS I will LoS casts a lot
digital arrow
No sound? I dunno if I can live without my gnomes war cries
knotty ermine
You can skip the entire last bridge, starting with the room that has the 2 casters that call out a bunch of tentacles
blissful imp
Just jiggle peak the end of the cast and they won't move too much
digital arrow
And gnome sneezes everytime I thunderclap
final mist
I turned it off explicitly because of the constant yelling from BC and IP spam during Legion
slate summit
stuck between warrior and paladin for tanking, i really want a challenge and dont enjoy the lore of the brm what would people recommend?
final mist
My sound was on 100% prior to that
slate summit
disliked dk too much downtime
knotty ermine
Go warrior
blissful imp
Play Warrior and do Warrior DPS
final mist
Warrior Tank is DPS
slate summit
?
digital arrow
Is there no sound setting for just character voices? I would have thought they'd implement that by now, game has been out for like 15 years ๐
final mist
Warriors do a significant amount of DPS more than other tanks if played correctly
slate summit
really?
knotty ermine
Seriously though, in King's rest just always have a DK in your group. Have them Control the first berserker, and they do a metric shit ton of damage. Send their berserker into the back with the beastmaster (mid bridge) and the serker dies, have em control thebeastmaster. Beastmaster does a shit ton of dmg as well. Then have em control one of the two zerkers, let them fight each other, and then kill off the one he MC'd
slate summit
and their survivability doesnt take a hit?
knotty ermine
And yes, really
digital arrow
^
slate summit
i see that
north dove
trying to think of the weakauras to get, without my screen being too cluttered
wintry ermine
I know how to do the DK strat... but if I dont bring a dk
knotty ermine
I rarely have graphics on my WAs
slate summit
does warrior get a battle res?
final mist
No
blissful imp
Avatar+Booty clap+demo shout = ๐ฎ
knotty ermine
Unless it is a very serious "oh shit" thing
final mist
We have little-to-no group utility
slate summit
but thats made up for with dmg?
digital arrow
Do u guys put importance on rally cry uptime or nah
knotty ermine
You take the least amount of dmg of any tanks (though BM smooths damage/removes it better than us), you do the most damage, and you have, easily, the most items in your utility belt ofany tank
Uptime? nah. Useful uptime? Sure
Wait wot
final mist
Obviously most other people will prefer things like Mass Grip and such, but up to you
knotty ermine
"we have little to no group utility"
slate summit
is the warrior playstyle as fast paced as paladin?
final mist
I would also heavily disagree that we have "the most utility items of any tank", since Paladins exist
slate summit
i just cant stand the dk tanking its too much safety
final mist
Fast paced in what way?
slate summit
i really liked last xpac of pally always being ready to mitigate or pop a self heal
really showed when i did heroics
knotty ermine
We don't have brez or lust, but little to no group utility is just not true. We have plenty of things we can do for the group in a m+ setting. In a raid setting, there's little that we can do thatother classes can't do as well, so I guess it depends on which you are asking about
slate summit
felt rewarding
wide juniper
What are some things we can do for the group, @knotty ermine ?
final mist
There are "plenty" of things, yes, but not all of them are things that are capable of being useful in a M+ environment.
fresh tendon
Rally!
uneven mason
So we have utility but not IMPORTANT Utility when it comes to pushing keys, not over other tanks.
slate summit
what about raids?
fresh tendon
I wasn't, but it's not a great m+ ability
Exactly
Shockwave is really nice for motherlode
earnest zinc
Prot Warrior honestly feels like a dps trying to tank
fresh tendon
Especially 2nd boss
final mist
Shockwave is good, but other classes have better AoE stuns.
blissful imp
Rally is working well for me this week. Got a 6 stack of bursting? RALLY so noone dies
uneven mason
M+ Utility is stuff like, being immune to spell damage (or making someone else immune to spell damage) group healing, grips (AE or single target) ranged interrupts, high % Snare, clutch self saving CDs
final mist
Monk being an example.
earnest zinc
Survivability seems lower than others, but my damage is typically higher
uneven mason
BDK has 4 ways to interrupt casters, 2 are not on DR
Paladin has a frequently usable ranged interrupt
knotty ermine
Disrupt, permanent slows, kiting, damage reduction on a party member, AoE fear as an "oh shit" button when healer needs to catch up, interrupts for days, spell reflect, we bring a lot of additional damage of our own, as well as 10% AP buff,
basically permanent slows*
uneven mason
We don't have interrupts for days?
we have 1 in melee range 1 ranged stun (if talented) 1 AE fear and 1 AE Stun (all of which share DR)
Paladins Monks and DHs literally have CROWD CONTROL
final mist
A lot of those aren't things that are unique to us.
digital arrow
Oh saving rally for bursting stacks. Going to use that more often! Thanks
knotty ermine
Shockwave/StormBolt/Fear/Pummel?
uneven mason
hehe
lucid bough
"utility"
uneven mason
That being said
our DPS is definetly a strong utility
but most folks don't think about "Lets bring the tank that does steamroll level damage"
lucid bough
ยดstrange they didnt fixed b4
uneven mason
about how he was doing double the DPS of a HDH in AE
final mist
Why would they fix an intended design?
uneven mason
our ST damage isn't out of control (I think we're 4th?)
knotty ermine
Having played DK, Prot, and BM, I keep coming back to prot because, idk, even though other tanks do things better than warriors, in some cases significantly better (Monk CC, for example), I always come back to prot because it just feels like when in dungeons, prot has some sort of answer for almost everything that happens in there. Efficacy varies, sure
uneven mason
Prot right now is in a good spot - and probably not going to be buffed/nerfed for the sole reason that to reach our amazing "Mitigation Perfection" we have a high skill ceiling
knotty ermine
I like the flexibility, I guess
uneven mason
To do bulldozer level AE damage
digital arrow
Why isn't dps a top priority in end game wow content? Maybe it's just me but everyone including healers are always competing for dps in final fantasy 14 and everyone knows it's the best mitigation to damage
uneven mason
we sacrifice mitigation (not sure if folks realize that)
blissful imp
What's the secret for getting Atal keys? Game only wants to give me SotS keys ๐ข
digital arrow
Wows playerbase is probably like 10x bigger than ffxiv ๐ค
final mist
DPS is a top priority... just not for the average idiot player.
mossy narwhal
Problem with utility is that you can easily bring an arms warr for b shout and rally
final mist
Hence the "tanks aren't supposed to do DPS" meme
uneven mason
it is Pocky, but its not considered UTILITY (as in, us doing strong damage doesn't negate the fact that Monks can RoP or BDK can Gorefiends)
Also, we have the double edge sword
If they want to bring warriors for DPS
They bring an arms warrior
because arms warriors are god level DPS in M+
sick sentinel
zzz
uneven mason
and you can bring a cheese tank to compliment them
amber siren
Just nerf arms ๐
digital arrow
To be fair there are a subset of healers who are 100% against healers doing damage in ff14. "Its not my job nyeh!"
uneven mason
@digital arrow I used to get in shit when healing on my Cleric in EQ1 - cause I'd be using Yaulp and meleeing shit.
digital arrow
Lmao
uneven mason
Its everyones job to deal damage
My shaman - If my flameshock isn't on the target and I'm not using my free LBs I'm not helping the raid to the utmost
final mist
Healers should be doing DPS in WoW too, not just Disc.
uneven mason
Shorter fight = easier fight
final mist
If there's no need for healing at the current moment, there no reason to not toss out some damage.
Otherwise you're just wasting mana.
uneven mason
Best example of this I think was back in ICC 10m heroic
You killed Sindragosa by solo healing with a shockadin
could ignore nearly 100% of her phase 3 mechanics
just burn baby burn
I don't think we'll see any solo heals this Xpac tho
since tanks actually require healing now
(All tanks)
old zephyr
Lockstone are a wonder ๐
worldly ibex
Sorry to interrupt, guys. I posted a couple logs in the channel earlier this... Morning, I guess? Could use some tips if anyone cares xD
molten radish
I'm getting smacked in heroic currently
amber siren
@worldly ibex You can post the logs again, someone will take a look
amber siren
Don't stress it ๐
signal plover
@worldly ibex there's also #449510248579858432 which is less spammy
chilly brook
@lucid bough prot aoe has been crazy ever since the prepatch if we werenโt nerfed already we wonโt be for a while on top of that if our aoe is nerfed then our single target abilities need to come way up. We arenโt crazy in single target in fact weโre a weaker tank in single target numbers
frosty wedge
we also have to choose between mitigation and DPS in a lot of cases
knotty ermine
It's an "interesting choice" tho
frosty wedge
true
knotty ermine
all bout that haste bb
fresh tendon
with 1 DC trait are y'all priotizing TC whenever DS, like over everything?
lucid bough
false narrative thou, its not like u dont have hotfixes to specs every 2 days lol
frosty wedge
I'm pretty much always TCing on CD
fresh tendon
well like over SS
amber siren
with avatar up you ss every 2 gcd, without just use it when it comes up, the longer it's up the less damage you take
tc every 2 gcd even
knotty ermine
Spoony you talking ST or MT? You clap on CD in multi targetno matter what. With the trait, I TC on CD no matter what when DS is up, but I may be doing it wrong. Doubt it, but possible
frosty wedge
if DS is up I TC on CD yeah
knotty ermine
When DS is up, with the trait, I clap on CD
fresh tendon
dope, thx
chrome wyvern
I'm new to playing protection Warrior is there a certain chat for that?
chrome wyvern
oh ok
chrome wyvern
I don't have BFA just a sub will that change what Pins i look at?
frosty wedge
I mean the pinned posts in this channel
signal plover
The "easy mode" section of the pinned icy veins guide will be good to get you started
frosty wedge
OH, you mean you're not max level? just starting out/leveling?
frosty wedge
welcome!
signal plover
Ok, is there anything specific you had questions on?
chrome wyvern
TY!
no not yet
I have very little heirlooms so i dont know which ones are good im not honored with the guild yet so i have all the heirlooms i can have so far
signal plover
Grab the ones that are plate armor and have strength on em
chrome wyvern
what guild you all in
final mist
Everyone here is in different guilds.
signal plover
Don't listen to Sal he's trying to misdirect you. All prot warriors belong to the <Bear Memes> guild
chrome wyvern
lol do you guys post bear memes
sick sentinel
What do you guys do to handle that shadow mob before last boss in Kings Rest? Especially on fortified
chrome wyvern
according to my parents i am part of one of the oldest guilds in the game
mellow bridge
avatar demo
old zephyr
Mor seriously forget Shield block us all rage on IP and use all cds
mellow bridge
you can keep demo shout up for the whole thing
spam IP and use shield wall if encessary
call healer external if needed
LS can save you for one more cast too if needed
green forge
clench your butthole and hope the DPS is good enough to kill him before you run outta cooldowns
mellow bridge
but SW will end up doing more overall
prolly hardest spot in the whole dungeon on fortified so dont be afraid to use cds
boss afterwards is ez af so you shouldnt need much there anyway
signal plover
Just need SB for dazars combo
chrome wyvern
are any of you familiar with the guild Iron Crane?
signal plover
So ya
mellow bridge
yeah SB and maybe LS to fill gap but you should have that up in time prolly
uneven mason
@chrome wyvern there are thousands of guilds across the servers, not many are famous from outside their individual community (Unless they were part of a world first race etc..)
the more important question I have for you though....
Did Garrosh do anything wrong?
final mist
That's not... quite correct.
chrome wyvern
purely so he could be stronger
uneven mason
#Garroshdidnothingwrong
chrome wyvern
๐
Darn i thought i was close
you gotta give me a point though for knowing that when i only just started playing the game
uneven mason
Garrosh liberated the entire island of Pandaria from their addiction to snorting Sha of Pride farts, he's a hero.
mellow bridge
questionable
uneven mason
What part?
mellow bridge
Not sure but it doesn't sound quite right ๐ค
north dove
Thralls fault
chrome wyvern
nah Garrosh's fault
chrome wyvern
he
did
everything
wrong
garrosh
is
dead
to
me
and
in
game
๐
cant argue with that Rekghar?
can you?
north dove
did you even watch the video?
chrome wyvern
no im a noob
north dove
standby
chrome wyvern
i havent made it out of classic yet
north dove
chrome wyvern
Still not completely certain but this is the truth
this explains both garrosh and sylvannas
@north dove Now you will know the truth
hasty sapphire
doing mother mythic in a few moments, is it better for us to tank the boss or to go in the next chamber and deal with adds?
chrome wyvern
but they know the truth
knotty ermine
I don't mind the content of their videos, so much as the delivery. Something about their voices, I think, that are like nails on a chalkboard.
clear sapphire
@hasty sapphire were you having trouble tanking heroic mother?
hasty sapphire
nah, not at all
tanked the boss in heroic though, not sure if the adds are better suited for warrior
guess im just tanking Boss then
steel mauve
Really nothing to do with adds
They die too quickly to tank on nm and probably heroic within stuns and interrupts
limber rivet
hello my friends, what are you opinions on the gameplay style of prot vs blood dk? im trying to decide which one to level to tank with
tawny panther
Opposites
limber rivet
haha
tawny panther
Pre empt Vs derp then heal when notice you get hit hard
Warrior hits harder in CDs and is generally more cd based too, and more mobild
DK grips
dusk locust
prot war is going to take more study and effort to learn
limber rivet
yeah im only 40 right now grinding my dark iron, im just mindless spaming thing sthat are shining at me
vagrant cape
did they increase the aggro radius of the death bolt worms in underrot? I used to be able to skip all 3 of the final worms before the last boss but they aggroed when it seemed like we did it perfectly
worldly ibex
yea, as a former dk main, I agree it's way easier to learn and master
kindred plume
Hey guys, my prot tank seemed to get spanked tanking heroic mother the other night. Is it lack of healing or is the tank missing something about the class? Any log critique is appreciated.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ch8RQMnyL3ZHda9K/#fight=6
vagrant cape
Has anyone found a way to not wipe on the tick pack in underrot? (aside form skipping it of course)
knotty ermine
Purely in terms of gameplay, they both play like a dps, DK much more so, since they are reactive and can prop up their AM without really sacrificing damage, whereas warriors have to make a choice between the two, requiring you to anticipate what's coming while also pumping out damage/threat. Warriors do more damage though, so there's that. Do you care about mobility? If so, Blood probably isn't what you want to go with.
If you're going to main it, warrior is a solid choice. As an alt, DK would be solid, since.... the skill level needed to play a DK well is very, very low.
limber rivet
heh
how is leveling as prot in bfa zone? my dk is 114 and i pull the entire zone at a time with the self healing, I'm assuming Prot cant do that as well
unless you start chaining victory rushes
vagrant cape
no, but fury can
level as fury, it's way easier
they heal a lot in open world content
limber rivet
well whats faster, leveling in BFA or dungeon grinding as prot
vagrant cape
leveling in bfa
limber rivet
ok
knotty ermine
DK leveling is probably the only class that could be as easy and stress free as BM hunter.
limber rivet
does ignore pain shield stack or just replace the old one with a new one?
upbeat folio
@limber rivet Death Knights are not better, but they are friendlier to play right now. This would be a challenging time to pick up protection for the first time.
knotty ermine
There's a good couple paragraphs about that very thing in the pins @limber rivet
vagrant cape
Indubitably
upbeat folio
"check the pins" is a mantra here.
If you become a warrior, look forward to checking those pins often.
vagrant cape
we even have an emote! 
dusk locust
@kindred plume it doesn't look like the right spell priority is being followed. the opener should be different and during that avatar every other gcd should be thunderclap
limber rivet
i do kinda liek the theme of DK, spell graphics and the self healing but my Dark Iron is so boss and hes only 40, I'll give him some more time and get more comfortable with the warrior before i fully decide
vagrant cape
Speaking of emotes, why are reaction emotes disabled in this server? anyone know?
junior lichen
I got a 385 servant splitter (which has no secondary stats) is it worth replacing it for a 355 with stats?
vagrant cape
@junior lichen 100% yes
oh, wait
I got that backwards
keep the 385 for christ's sake
your wording is very confusing
vagrant cape
the "I got" sounds like it's new and the 355 was old, but the "replacing it for..." makes it seem like the 385 would be the thing BEING replaced
knotty ermine
the IV guide for warrior (all 3 specs) is updated very regularly
Last time I checked, the Blood Guide still had numerous "update coming soons" on its guide
vagrant cape
But the sims are still dead ๐
upbeat folio
@dusk locust @kindred plume Part of why the thunder clap is so important is to keep demoralizing shout up. That will help avoiding the damage.
dusk locust
yeah
junior lichen
@vagrant cape Ty, im not a native english speaker so it can get messy sometimes
vagrant cape
no worries! you speak more clearly than most native speakers I come across
limber rivet
also thanks everyone for your insights ๐
kindred plume
Alright so have him revisit his spell priority and work on the opener, more thunder clap for more demo shout. Thanks @dusk locust and @upbeat folio
dusk locust
it's mildly more complex than that. if he hasn't already he should check the icy veins guide and get super familiar with it
kindred plume
He's been a stellar prot through legion and I know he's checked the guides but something is just not clicking about the BfA playstyle and I'm trying to help him determine what that is. I heal for him and just feel like we're living on the edge in m+ and raids.
young harbor
dont flame me too hard here. but should i be popping str trinket before or after avatar?
vagrant cape
you should pop str trinket IMMEDIATELY before your first damaging ability after avatar and demo shout
so it should be avatar > demo shout > trinket+thunderclap
or something like that
young harbor
kk ty, that is what i had been doing. just thought about it last night and wanted to confirm
did anyone answer you about the tick packs in underrot? or was that the check the pins retort
vagrant cape
it was not answered
uneven mason
Avatar - charge (trinket here) - Thunderclap - Demoshout
young harbor
there is that back near the blobs before the second boss
i also get blown up there, anyone have suggests?
grim prism
@vagrant cape its disabled to prevent trolling. Brigade Marok for changes
uneven mason
raw STR trinkets can also be used for a boost to mitigation when you're going to eat a large physical hit
knotty ermine
Got to the right and kill flowerbois instead?
grim prism
@young harbor just shockwave and TC to build aggro, and kite the debuff
young harbor
yeah i had been using it defensively, was just curious about when it shoudl be used for m+/optimal dps
kk
uneven mason
What was the question about Ticks in Under?
vagrant cape
My strat for the ticks is to just blow them all up and pop every defensive you can and hope the healer lives to res everyone
grim prism
Killing the lashers is an option too, but three kicks on rotation is a lot to handle
young harbor
depends on your comp i guess
uneven mason
Oh how not to die to them?
vagrant cape
how not to die on bursting week
young harbor
yes @uneven mason
knotty ermine
Our group isn't optimal for those guys, be we have planty of interrupts, stuns, knockbacks
so we just go after the flowerbois
grim prism
If you have AoE stuns in the group, its better to have them used by other players so you can maintain aggro
uneven mason
^^
tiny rapids
I always think flowerbois = druids
grim prism
But yeah I just kite ticks. Take maybe 3-5 stacks and pop shield wall
knotty ermine
Or get SS'd and just take one for the team
grim prism
Quite possibly
knotty ermine
Bursting week is "defintiely dont pull these" week
uneven mason
its not even a quite possibly
tiny rapids
and dps pulls anyway
vagrant cape
to be honest, I didn't know the lashers were an option XD I thought hte ticks were mandatory
uneven mason
Ticks are cancer without doubling up on the DOTS
grim prism
Bursting debuff isnt tuned properly; it hits for WAY less than the tooltip shows
tiny rapids
Like when I say in Underrot, we won't pull ticks, they pull anyway
uneven mason
if your group isn't complete idiots you can bypass ticks
tiny rapids
Pugs
tiny rapids
They are "complete idiots" by 90% standard.
grim prism
My problem with bursting isnt high stacks; its when you have like 8 stacks and someone kills something with half a second left on debuff
uneven mason
90%
Carnivale 90% Of problems
"So I see you're a hunter, so I must ask, how many buttons do you use?"
grim prism
We nuked the whole tick pack on bursting and nobody died
mellow bridge
chaining kills with high stacks of bursting is the worst..
grim prism
Rallying Cry is a godsend this week
Badly-timed kills are a way bigger problem than high stacks
knotty ermine
I run with a dps monk. Until blizz fixes monk clones going after random shit, the statement only holds true for 60% in my group lol
civic yew
Hey guys, does it make sense simming prote?
grim prism
Its far less
undone sun
pretty sure any stam increases is a bait for bursting
frosty wedge
there are no sims for prot atm
uneven mason
it is
grim prism
@civic yew it would make sense if our SimC module worked; but it doesnt
grim prism
Have we verified that though
civic yew
Ah nice
uneven mason
WHAT DO THE NAPKINS SAY
grim prism
Because we already know it doesnt actually hit for what the tooltip says
undone sun
even if it's not 10%, it's still based on health
grim prism
Welp
grim prism
Didnt die; no problem 
tiny rapids
@knotty ermine I'll certainly try that after a big pull and all die
mellow bridge
how much does it tick for then
undone sun
i definitely did use LS as mitigation of bursting in legion for a bit though ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
uneven mason
upbeat folio
- we have an emote for Thyme now?
uneven mason
Well I mean LS
grim prism
@mellow bridge dont know but it certainly isnt 10% per stack
tiny rapids
Macro: Butt naked
uneven mason
LS heals you too tho hehe
undone sun
have had here for a quite a while
knotty ermine
Stops you from dying
undone sun
almost a year
knotty ermine
but also its now ticking harder
grim prism
Heres what i wanna know @undone sun
knotty ermine
in a numeric sense
grim prism
Why does your emoji have outlined eyeballs but your avatar doesnt
undone sun
lol
grim prism
Ive wondered for a long time but never had a good moment to ask
undone sun
the emoji is the original where my avatar was upscaled through illustrator
by me
and i didn't include the outlines
undone sun
not every layer lined up perfectly to get the outline anyways
sick sentinel
hey guys, was going in full haste and now looking that is maybe not the main stat in hm, so should i prefere mastery or versa ? thx for
uneven mason
haste
clear sapphire
pure abyss
Whelp - got a rank 1 healing parse on mythic Mother last night - This morning got asked to main swap to BRM
#tankbalance
green isle
healing parses ๐
knotty ermine
Tell them you aren't far enough on the spectrum to play it at rank-1 levels, so you would be regressing by making the change
pure abyss
naw - I'm looking forward to the challenge
green isle
if you're looking for a challenge you're picking the wrong tank to reroll to
pure abyss
well said sir
knotty ermine
Oh, well, enjoy! They're pretty awesome. From your original post it seemed like you weren't very thrilled, ha
pure abyss
I'm a prot warrior main - I'm not happy about the overall tank balance
But I'm a raider first and foremost
knotty ermine
JW, what is your group's current tank setup?
uneven mason
๐ค TFW Warriors take less damage than paladins
I Mean cheese goes a long way
I guess
tulip arch
Warriors are lactose intolerant ;)
next ermine
FeelsBad having really good gear...then a 300 ilvl shield still...
knotty ermine
I know that feel. Until last night, anyway. Hang in there! Got a 355 Tol Dagor shield, and a G'huun shield 2 hours later.
vagrant cape
what would y'all equip, a 350 crit/haste weapon with a socket or a 355 haste/vers weapon with no socket? (sitting at 22% haste without ItF if that matters)
north dove
haste/vers
knotty ermine
Haste vers weap. Could hold onto the other and toss an armor ench on in for SnG's but meh
rotund heart
22% haste without ITF? damn.
vagrant cape
I lose 23 haste and 59 crit overall, but I gain ~7 dps on the weapon, 6 str, 43 vers, and 10 stam
yeah I got super lucky with haste gear
with 5 stacks I'm at like 40%ish
north dove
that's impossible
knotty ermine
Impossibru*
vagrant cape
to get lucky with haste gear or to have 22% haste without itf?
north dove
22 haste without itf
vagrant cape
it's not though
upbeat folio
How the hell.
rotund heart
Armory link?
north dove
calling bs
vagrant cape
pulling it up
undone sun
my paladin has 20% outside of uldir, i imagine 22% is possible
next ermine
im at 32% with 5 stacks ๐ฆ
north dove
lul
fleet ridge
lol
next ermine
your also in arms in armory
knotty ermine
Armory says you're arms for me
(side note: wtb arms mastery scaling as fury, blizzard plz)
north dove
Yea still calling BS @vagrant cape
vagrant cape
I know, pretty sweet mog, right? ๐
vocal nimbus
@quartz pond can you believe this monstruosity?
onyx sun
New tank here. Is there a good resource for figuring out m+ dungeon routes?
inland silo
quartz pond
vagrant cape
I'm blushing
north dove
20%
vagrant cape
how do I get my armory to update?
@onyx sun I'd just watch videos and play around with the Method Dungeon Tool addon toplan your routes
north dove
whats the racial? 3%
frosty wedge
sitting at 19.2% haste before ITF
vagrant cape
1% haste
onyx sun
@vagrant cape thanks, dude. Iโll check out the addon
vagrant cape
every piece that can have haste has haste
except my shield
and there are only three pieces where the haste is the lesser of the two stats
frosty wedge
no haste on my boots, but other than that haste on everything
frosty wedge
๐ฆ
I'm annoyed at how hard I worked to gear my warrior and how easy it became this week, lol
my BrM hit 120 this time yesterday and it already 345
summer kestrel
it was fun in its own way
frosty wedge
Yeah I'm horde
they patched the cheat about 15 minutes before I hit 120
and I had to get to 320 before doing warfronts
vagrant cape
oh damn
clear sapphire
I already putgeared wf before they came out so besides the quest item it was just for rp
frosty wedge
yeah my warrior too, but my BrM hit 120 yesterday, lol
fresh dragon
wide juniper
Why bother asking?
vagrant cape
it's ok, if a group refuses you for being a warrior, they were probly gonna be awful anyway
wide juniper
People that message me after being refused just pretty much get blocked.
Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming.
fresh dragon
@wide juniper if u are stupid like them u deserve to be blocked. not them
wide juniper
Awesome. Thanks man. Your opinion matters.
fresh dragon
this is a group made to exchange opinions. if u dont like others....quit
wide juniper
Ad hominem attacks are great.
vagrant cape
Cmon m8s, we have enough shit getting flung at us from the rest of the wow community, we don't need it here
wide juniper
I, uh, believe that goes for you too, sir.
undone sun
they aren't required to bring you even if you have done that level or higher on time, it's their right to decline whoever the fuck the want for whatever fucking reason, we don't need to bring this conversation up every single fucking day
drop it
fresh dragon
@undone sun ofc but that doesnt mean "i block all ppl asking me why refused" like as they are all idiots
coz thats what it mean
wide juniper
Listen. I don't need to explain to each person I decline.
fresh dragon
am i still speaking with u?
wide juniper
Period.
fresh dragon
im sure i have tagged some1 else... lemme check... oh... i did
steel mauve
Sounds like another childish argument
wide juniper
Grow up a bit, @fresh dragon . Then come on back.
fleet ridge
Why do you ever care you got refused? Just queue for another one.
wide juniper
You're a tank. You can get a dozen groups at any given time.
fleet ridge
^
wide juniper
If your ego can't take being refused once or twice, I don't know what to tell you.
fresh dragon
and thats ok
grim prism
Maybe they refused you because you dont know how to itemize gear or do your rotation properly, as evidenced by your previous questions in this channel 
uneven mason
Balsaq bringing the truth hard
fresh dragon
i didnt like the parts "i block all ppl whispering me" like as there are no person in front of the screen but just idiots
wide juniper
I'm not here to make other people feel better.
grim prism
If you decline someone there is no need to whisper them and rub it in imo
fresh dragon
even not to make other people feel worst
grim prism
Same as there is no reason to ask why youve been declined
sick sentinel
How is prot doing in M+?
wide juniper
Exactly, Mr. Scrote.
grim prism
A decline is a decline. Move on
wide juniper
Play DPS every once in a while to thicken your skin. PepeHands
grim prism
@sick sentinel pretty good; we aren't FotM but the regulars here have had success in 10s
Its fun to play and mitigates melee damage (aka most m+ damage) like a monster
raven kernel
10 this week isnt hard at all
wide juniper
Just keep kiting. Kiting, kiting, kiting.
raven kernel
whether you make the timer is dependant on your dps
sick sentinel
cool. I have a brew but want to try something different
grim prism
Yeah this is a great week to be a tank
wide juniper
Less kiting this week, but still.
grim prism
Prot is very different from BrM. Could be a grrat change of pace
frosty wedge
necrotic is my least favourite for sure.
sick sentinel
Need to get to 120 1st.....the grind is real
wide juniper
Yeah, this week.
sick sentinel
Yea, brew is cool. love warrior playstyle though
wide juniper
Sanguine PepeHands
raven kernel
yeah fuck sanguine
sick sentinel
Off to leveling. Have fun peeps
grim prism
Yeah wtb ranged kicks
wide juniper
lol
grim prism
@sick sentinel good luck homie, let us know when you are relevant lolol
wide juniper
See mob casting from across 4 sanguine pools. CHARGE INTERRUPT JUMP BACK CRY
junior ivy
first bossin underrot
frosty wedge
lol
grim prism
Kick the casts
wide juniper
Don't get hit you forehead
grim prism
Kill them fast
frosty wedge
yeah you're supposed to kill the add.
wide juniper
lol
grim prism
DPS needs to prioritize the add so you dont get two in the first place
wide juniper
Just kill it LOL 4Head
dusk locust
she spawns 2 and they're all cast spamming
wide juniper
Shockwave
wide juniper
What fight are we talking here?
grim prism
Need to keep kick rotation on the offtarget
Prioritize one and kill it ASAP
Then move the boss to the other
It really is just a matter of killing them faster, unfortunately
Also, demo shout reduces magic damage from affected enemies, so make sure you are using that ofc
And kick the one that isnt demo'd
It will be a group effort
high gate
How is prot holding up in mythic +
full estuary
hi is there a table with stats weights for Def Warriors? Pawn does have bad weights in my opinion
wide juniper
fleet ridge
I dont know how to do that @wide juniper
wide juniper
Also, no weights.
vale basalt
Prot is not far behind any of the others. The only thing prot has is that is only less forgiving. So people cant fuck up too much which is as it ahould honestly games are not to be played improperly and still get away with it. Any prot warr that knows his shit wont get busted
Plus we do amazing dps so.... Yay prot
stone kindle
Anybody else getting hit rlly hard by sisters in waycrest manor? Idk why i'm eating so much dmg there
can't rlly block anything there right
merry cave
Which sister
stone kindle
true
full estuary
i dont need the order of stats i need the numbers like Haste = 1.2 and so for pawn
merry cave
We don't have that
You cannot Sim prot wars on top of that you cannot ever Sim defensively
Pawn doesn't work for us
vale basalt
@stone kindleuse cds on the secons iris. Its by far the worst of the 3. Even shield wall mitigates magic so wall and reflect with demo and mitigate shit
knotty ermine
Well, healers have a 50% healing reduction on that fight as well
merry cave
I know the fight he means but each sister has different abilities
Could help narrow issues if it's a specific one
knotty ermine
Which ever one is active, try and spell reflect their... deathbolt, or something, can't recall the name tbh
knotty ermine
Don't worry about anything cept IP for the most part, since you'll have to taunt the witch that goes active anyway thanks to heal aggro
merry cave
Make sure everyone's interrupting, keep up up and reflect when a cast is near the end and not going to be interupted
Make sure you move around on 2nd one don't stand still
stone kindle
y, its just the bolts of the one holding the iris, they hit rlly hard
grim prism
SimC has support for simming tank metrics, the problem is that none of those metrics is singularly important
stone kindle
in theory u can interrupt that a lot
digital arrow
i've a noob question.. do typical bleeds count as magic damage? or are there bleeds that can be physical, or are bleeds simply neither?
digital arrow
bollocks
i was trying to spell reflect em like a fool
for that 20% reduction
rip
merry cave
Ok you can Sim it in theory then, it's still not worth doing for any tank class
merry cave
It it's a pug yeah prob lol, we were in discord and used all defensive and coordinated interupts and just got through
junior ivy
its guild run
merry cave
Use all defensive a and healer mana :P
digital arrow
which fight? are you fighting elder leaxa right now?
merry cave
The second boss isnt any better we called it and did a dif run
junior ivy
firsr boss yeh
grim prism
I mean it is valuable
merry cave
I'm pretty sure you can stun, grip, silence the clones
junior ivy
we are waiting on hero now
4 min break
they cant be stunned
maybe gripped
but we have no dk
we are rogue, warlock, mage, priest, me
prisma crane
i wonder if they can be MC'd
junior ivy
hm i wonder
dusk locust
can they be hard cc'd at all
grim prism
You can see your TMI, max spike intake, and EHRPS for any theorerical encounter. They are valuable metrics, it's just that none of them will holistically tell you what the better piece of gear is in every situation
junior ivy
they cant be sheeped