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junior ivy
sick sentinel
you are 100% fine for at least the first 5 bosses
junior ivy
cool, im gonna start pugging them soon
uncut fractal
@junior ivy i've done zul as prot with less gear, like 351 so its definitely doable
do you run 1x DC 2x Brace?
junior ivy
i have 2 x DC and 1 x IF π¦
sick sentinel
taloc is eazy, mother is easy, the bug is not tank mechanics so you are fine
in vectis hope you do not get debuffs from your dps
and fetid if you are good you are 100% fine
pugged it first week and I never fell lower than 50%
today on our guild progression I took only 1 thrash without SB up ( the one between your second shieldblock and your third) and I got to 20K hp but other than that we were fine
sick sentinel
ghuun took us 1 hour on sunday
including a 3% wipe, a 5% wipe and a 2% wipe
warriors /w portals can solo the ball if they are good
taloc and mother HC are easier than ghuun normal
prisma crane
what's SB CD again?
sick sentinel
depends on your haste
prisma crane
16 sec base?
sick sentinel
I think 16 base yeah
prisma crane
dont need a lot of haste for it to get to 12 sec
stoic kite
What combat potion should we be using?
stoic kite
Use it defensively?
steel mauve
str or rejuv potion if you need that heal
stoic kite
6
prisma crane
it improves your armor as well as IP
sick sentinel
more damage=enemies die faster=100% damage mitigation π€
summer basalt
guys i need help what items its better
ember arrow
is that even a squestion
sick sentinel
is this a joke
ember arrow
obviously the 385 one
cinder bridge
"guys look at my proc"
sick sentinel
are we flexing procs now?
tepid sparrow
how are warriors feeling about tanking in M+s
summer basalt
what? no , i rlly i didnt know DX , ty btw
daring marlin
Skittish as BFA prot is a joke.
sick tree
37% haste with full into the fray. GCD stuff still feels clunky
sick sentinel
π€
steel mauve
none
spice musk
Does the Trait Brace of Impact stack? And how good is Archive of the Titans ?
Into the fray is for me personally best skill atm. in Mythics and in Raids.
sick sentinel
Considering we like to stack 2 Bfi then it stacks π
and archive is good and will keep getting better the more weeks pass by
generally ilvl is king as long as you are keeping your DC trait on one piece of gear
for talents I personally use 1123211 or 1223211
spice musk
Mhh but DC gear is hard to get with high ilvl my gear is now in 360 Range and my last piece with DC is still 340
sick sentinel
same
spice musk
last question is the Prot warrior the only Spec ingame that hase Reorigination Array thing in uldir or did any class have something similiar?
frosty wedge
@spice musk I ended up getting a 370 helm from weekly with DC
wispy ocean
I've been reading some highly dubious claims that prot is actually good in pvp, anyone who pvps a lot know the deal?
sick sentinel
DC shoulder from: temple of seth and siege
tawny lantern
omg, so i will never be abble to equip my 370 pieces from head and shoulder at the same time
since theres no armor with DC
sick sentinel
rip
broken kite
Hope for weekly chest with azerite dc
small plume
guys one question: how much ho we supposed to have at ilvl 349 more or less? I have 164k but seems to low for one pala who left the group couse for him I cant tank shrine 5 with that
HP*
small plume
ok, thanks π
small plume
EHP?
wispy ocean
e.g. hp after ignore pain and other mitigation
ember arrow
@small plume download that WA and check it out for yourself
its way higher than what your UI says ur max hp is
sick sentinel
if you want DC traits try capping your conquest and getting a high rating
PVP azerite pieces can have DC on them
small plume
thanks @ember arrow I will!!!
sick sentinel
also, pugs are stupid
sick sentinel
if he does not know he is bad at the game anyway
ember arrow
im the tank
broken kite
Hi Mr blood
ember arrow
whats up
wispy ocean
DKs are kind of ridiculous though
wispy ocean
pretty normal for a m0 pug
sick sentinel
getting insane resets on SS is really nice
tawny lantern
are u guys sticking to warrior or rerolling another tank for mythic progress?
wispy ocean
pugs are nature's RNG
ember arrow
any good tank should have multiple tansk ready, suitable for encounter
playing one just limits yourself
wispy ocean
for main tanks maybe
I only do it because people treat fury wars like jehovahs witnesses
ember arrow
waht do you mean by that
ember arrow
warr always popular
sick sentinel
I am only tanking because our leader thinks I am "better than every other tank" I guess
and the guy that was MTing as blood in legion is now healing on his monk
small plume
GZ cat
sick sentinel
gz!
junior ivy
thanksss
wispy ocean
our MT got the 380 one from H uldir
small plume
with the spell reflector Gunn its really nice for us
strong hill
Grats cat!
junior ivy
ty ty
opaque harness
Hey guys, where can I find a good uldir guide tanking guide? I checked guides-resources-faq. it was like tanktips.com or tankspot.com or something?
junior ivy
it helps me more than videos. i cant stand watching videos to learn fights
ember arrow
or check fatboss's guides
opaque harness
TANKNOTES! thank you!
ember arrow
theyre also good for visuals
junior kernel
That is a wonderful resource thank you
ember arrow
im jsut the messenger π
junior ivy
how many bosses in uldir?
undone sun
8
junior ivy
cool thanks
sick sentinel
352 ilvl and my health is only 170k. any reason that is happening
ember arrow
what is happening?
amber siren
Wariors have the lowest health if that's what you're asking
sick tree
Man avatar + demo shout is neat with very high haste. Can chain demoshout onto like 30+ seconds
sick sentinel
i have seen other prot warriors with like 340 ilvl and more health than me
north dove
Why is Ignore pain soooo bad?
undone sun
because blizzard
steel mauve
well its always the same no matter how much rage you have....
ober could be higher ilvl stat budgeted pieces, like you could have higher ilvl bracers and cloak, while they have higher ilvl legs/chest/helm
amber siren
@sick sentinel If they have higher health than you at a lower ilvl then they're running indomb and that's a huge waste
dusky mica
So in the guide Ashvane chest is picked, for raid tanking?
I can see it for Zul perhaps. But Dunecrawler has lifespeed. Not that it makes much difference.
nimble scarab
this happened earlier even though i've already done +10s. are people really this dense? lmao
amber siren
yes
scarlet scarab
Kinda what happens when people watch Bleeding Edge opinions, and apply them to every day life.
amber siren
π
crystal night
How are we supposed to handle the final phase transition of Zul?
true moon
Are blizz planning to buff us? Do you all think the tank ranking will change with the weekly mythic plus prefixes?
undone sun
it's plausible Β―_(γ)_/Β―
snow nest
They gotta buff IP absorb or rage cost pls
grim prism
probably not and wat?
undone sun
i guess they mean reduce rage cost
snow nest
Ja
keen spire
wouldn't that hinder us? lol
undone sun
and i would agree, atm it feels unimpactful to press at the rage cost and GCD cost
grim prism
no i mean what is this about tank ranking
but also
no, making IP cost less would suck
keen spire
right now IP is like... the only thing helping my Anger management yo
grim prism
it feels unimpactful enough as it is
right
all that does is make AM cost more globals to advance
snow nest
You would revenge more tho...
grim prism
would you?
keen spire
idk about that, my dude
keen spire
Lots of those globals are used for shield slam procs and shit
true moon
Just remove ignore pain from the GCD. Druids have one off the GCD and monks have stagger. Plus can pop brews all day.
keen spire
we have SB off the GCD
grim prism
that wouldnt make it feel less clunky
snow nest
Then you would just have more IP uptime
grim prism
you would just dev more
still sundial
just nerf all other tank's self sustains and say "welcome to the real tanking club"
grim prism
it would suck
undone sun
for the damage increase it can be
true moon
It doesn't stack I don't believe.
steel mauve
damage stacks
undone sun
What Stacks for Azerite Traits?
Stat increases, Damage additions, Healing additions
What doesn't stack?
Duration multipliers/additions, proc chance, number of targets, etc
there are better options than stacking DC
considering only the damage addition stacks
little rain
Have we added the raid/pvp azerite traits to the azerite trait hierarchy yet anywhere?
grim prism
great news guys
i ran ML for the first time and am now above 400 on raider.io
take that, Ragnaros pugs
sand saffron
hey how many stacks do you guys take on zul's phase 2
fickle phoenix
usually 3 depending on cd rotations
astral crystal
cant wait til 8.1 is out and we're out of beta
fossil sparrow
undone sun
we'll be out of beta when the next expac releases
tawny crown
are we the worst tanks right now for m+?
true moon
Considering we are barely ranked, possibly.
open bluff
No we're not druids
true moon
We have 1 dude at 15 lol
fathom marten
Yeah we just don't bring that much to m+....well besides being a total badass killer
open bluff
Prot warr is underrated for M+, but a lack of utility doesn't do the spec any favors
next goblet
rip made the 355 belt from blacksmithing and lost 2% haste
true moon
We have high dps that's about it.
next goblet
time to craft the 370
next goblet
fucker
lol
i already have 355 legs though so no point in me crafting them until i have enough sanguicells to make the 370s
fathom marten
Watching Sal to mythic Uld
Looks tough af
Oh shit
Damn they made ti to 3rd room on mother
next goblet
my belt is vers/mast so it wasn't a COMPLETE loss, but that 2% haste is poopy
fathom marten
What's your ilvl?
junior ivy
3/11 heroic. ugh those next 2 bosses are soo hard
acoustic stratus
jesus christ, fetid on mythic, how the fuck
next goblet
344 @fathom marten
merry cave
I like that fetid is so rough. Raids dying so quick is boring stumping the top guilds is fun and it'll get nerfed by the time the average player sees it
fathom marten
Well you have a bunch of upgrading to to so hopefully you'll get better stat rolls;)
sick sentinel
Speaking of upgrading. Man I need raaaaaangs. So bad.
final mist
Fetid isn't tough - first it was impossible and bugged, and now it's just basically impossible.
There's a difference between tightly tuned and actually impossible.
onyx vessel
I guess its not a emerald nightmare raid bois
merry cave
Having to come back with more gear isn't the worst of things
If it can't be killed due to bugs that's a lot different
next goblet
@fathom marten yeah im working on both my warrior and blood dk right now.. rough gearing 2 toons
fathom marten
@final mist did you get Mother down? Left for work and you guys seemed to be getting closer everytime...just needed to tighten it up.
@next goblet yeah I've opted to gear up my war for now. Until my guild cleara out H and then I'll start running my DH through
magic warren
!traits
fathom marten
@final mist also, idk at one point method was able to get down the adds (so no heal) without lust. So essentially they could just need better gear .
hazy path
hey guys are we using revenge if its not free ? or only when rage is gonna cap
merry cave
Dh for m+ or just prefer it?
stable elm
paid revenge is good way to trade rage for dps if you do not need AM for defense
fathom marten
If ip is full and rage is capped. Yes use revenge.
Why does the graphic so bad? Lol
junior ivy
haha its okay
fathom marten
Gpus are cheap af right now
If you're going to buy, buy soon.
People selling 1070s and 1080s left and right
junior ivy
i gota 950 π¦
fathom marten
Wow graphics are pretty damn good these days too.
π€
What's your cpu?
What setting are you running? Just tell me the tier. Like low medium high ultra
junior ivy
cpu is uh..
i5 ... something with a 6
lemme find ouit
6500
i5 -6500
i usually run right in the middle of medium but with raid i l;ower it
to somewhere be tween low and medium
ember arrow
Fps>graphics
fathom marten
@junior ivy a 950 should be fine to run med to high. It's your CPU that's holding you back. Wow us more cpu intensive then graphic.
junior lichen
How come all the people i talk to in here says ilvl > over stats and icy veins says the opposite
fathom marten
@junior ivy Turn Shadows down and tweaking water settings and lowering AA will usually do it and its barely a noticable difference from full ultra.
@junior lichen it doesn't....
Explain
junior ivy
what does icy veins say?
junior lichen
Well i might have misunderstood
junior lichen
but icy veins says strength is the worst stat
fathom marten
Lol
junior lichen
Well okay i might have glanced through, mb π
fathom marten
Wat
upbeat folio
Strength is your best stat.
chilly brook
Technically no
upbeat folio
OKAY HASTE WHATEVER.
chilly brook
Haste is technically better than strength
junior lichen
I just confused me, ty for the help π
chilly brook
But the gains in strength and other secondaries are almost always worth
upbeat folio
But no one should be worrying about exchanging haste for item levels.
junior lichen
it*
digital arrow
hmmm
chilly brook
Sorry I couldnβt resist
fathom marten
@junior ivy you mean your sister is running an i7 4790?
junior ivy
no i5
fathom marten
Or an i5 4690
There is not 4790
For i5
An i5 4690 performs better then the 6600 also btw. I'm assuming that's what she has because it was the last 4th gen intel
junior ivy
4690 then i guess
digital arrow
I'm running an i7 and an Nvidia 1080 and game runs consistently on high at 70 fps.. I tried running it at 144 but the dips were too noticeable
Which is weird since final fantasy 14 runs at 144 rock solid. I thought wow had been optimized a long time ago π€
hazy path
EXCUSE ME stop complaining about optimization when the DEVS are working SO HARD to make this amazing game. response you would have gotten from the forums if you dared post there . xD
chilly brook
Iβm actually starting to hate people rn
359 prot warrior
Being declined in the first few seconds after applying to a +9
hazy path
the only way is to make your own groups
people wouldn't want us for high keys last tier even when our scores would be twice as high as the shitty 20 key they were trying to do
hazy path
the life of begging is no life for a warrior my friend
chilly brook
Shot the group leader a whisper asking why I was being declined, no responses
Although what do I expect
hazy path
in 99% of cases they have never played with a warrior tank this xpac. they just "heard" or they had one bad example
it is toxic imo
love the plate pls
we cute
even tho i just leveled my warrior had to have my monk ready first but w/e xD
ember arrow
I mean. Why annoy yourself? I stopped playing warr because they killed playstyle. When they fix it i come back. Easy
hazy path
What are you playing now @ember arrow I agree its FAR less smooth but i still enjoy it
merry cave
I could be a raider.io thing too. Ive started seeing more and more runs ask for X amount of score again
hazy path
I had a warrior main dk alt now its Brew main warrior alt but to be honest, if my warrior gets up on its feet i might bring it to mythic instead of brew. I don't think it'll be a big problem but we'll see
chilly brook
Wow I actually got into a +9 siege
hazy path
π CRUSH IT
ionic fern
Easy issue to solve tho..just get your score higher..people are suckers for numbers. π€·
fathom marten
Yeah it's just lack of optimizing which idk how I feel about blizzard address g this... not really to knowledgeable on how easy that is with a 10+ year old game.
true moon
Considering there is one prot warrior in the mythic plus rankings above 200 in the world can you blame them for not taking a prot warrior? Lol it's all monks dks pallies and dh.
ember arrow
Cant ask for anything on the floor
surreal maple
A real warrior want even more nerfs to get a bigger challenge
true moon
Yeah but I gotta get into the fight to get challenged. π
abstract vector
amber siren
25
old zephyr
25
ionic fern
Just make your own group and run keys - that's easiest. There's always a plunder of DPS'ers looking for a key to do and never enough tanks.
old zephyr
But my key is not AD, I want them AD
fathom marten
I mean this excuse is a little to passive. There's a problem if you can't join any high level key and only can rely on your key.
The problem is certainly the perception of the community with wars but you can't really blame them if they are competitive and want a tank class that 'll have more utilities in m+.
It's like a catch 22 kind of
tight tree
We need to have separate channel here for collecting all the reaction scrrenshots to prot warrs in one place
Make big compilation, sent to blozzard
enjoy buffs
old zephyr
Except People don't bother rΓ©acting to us
tight tree
In other news, i am sweating bullets in m+ on my warr main, sleeping on my brew alt. Not even sure what is better π€£
We had several here already, it is hysterical
ionic fern
Idk, i was declined to 20+ keys in Legion as a paladin ..so i just started doing my own grp and once i got to like 3.5k m+ score i got accepted to pretty much anything instantly.
π€·
mellow bridge
Idk
I feel like unless you are at a certain high level yourself, you shouldn't complain about the classes other people play and instead just choose them off ilvl/raiderscore etc
ionic fern
I'd take a warrior if he had done all +10's in time for a +10
mellow bridge
Doesn't matter that there's only 1 prot warri in top 200 if most people don't even run +10s
ionic fern
.π€·
tight tree
Noone knows shit, they just read Jd and watch Sco π
old zephyr
Well It's only second week and People have liΓ©s...
ionic fern
ALso a lot comes down to the grp setup tho..if i we don't have a CR then we kinda just need a BDK for the CR.
old zephyr
Get Γ boomkin, solve every problems
merry cave
I was 4k pre 8.0 and 5k after 8.0 in BFA and got accepted to pretty much everything except nelths
Getting a good score really gets you in
ionic fern
^
tight tree
People with lifes should not play wow π
ionic fern
No one cares what you play if you have proof that you can play it competitevly.
And the people who do care usually already have their own dedicated grps anyways. π€·
Idk, i got a family and a full time job and i still can play WoW competitevly enough.
merry cave
And then you'd do runs like upper or Cath which war was really good on and people were stunned lol
It's a good feeling
tight tree
Was irony, i mean, you wasting time on game regardless
tight tree
Pet battles
merry cave
Lol
old zephyr
That's not really helping...
ember arrow
Xd
zinc mauve
Does ignore pain mitigate damage past its capacity? For example, if I have 500 damage left in ignore pain and i take 100k damage, would it go down to 50k or would only what's left get mitigated?
raven kernel
yes
prisma crane
yes
prisma night
Does anyone know where to learn optimal pathing through dungeons on m+? Im kinda anxious about doing it without knowing them
zinc mauve
there's a few addons/weakauras to help you figure out exactly how many mobs you need to kill
prisma night
What addon is a good one for mob count
Also what addon or wa tracks what interupts are left available for the party. I saw something like that on a video
raven kernel
prisma night
Ty
raven kernel
zinc mauve
With the Reorigination Ray thing for Uldir, do i need to have the piece of gear to start getting stacks?
prisma night
It should be retroactive stacks i believe as long as youve got the boss kills each week
prisma crane
no, just boss kills afaik
zinc mauve
thats cool
brave jetty
I agree that it's very annoying to know that your class is being held against you in M+
chilly brook
Leader goes: βI grabbed you because youβre a warrior I expect momentum and big D damageβ
brave jetty
But second all the advice here
Out-ilvl the shit out of everything, find healers you prove wrong and stick with them
chilly brook
Healer says: βI expect paper macheteβ
brave jetty
Build a network
chilly brook
I say: βlol trust me Iβll be one of your easiest tanks youβve ever healedβ
He goes: βbetβ
Rest is history
Loved healing me so much he added me
chilly brook
10s π
TBH as long as youβre mitigating properly youβll be fine
Clearing +9s easily at 359
chilly brook
Thatβs like a total of 8 healers probably that Iβve changed their perspective of prot warriors
brave jetty
Perhaps it benefits us to keep the reputation poor, though
Higher chance of buffs
I mean we are both underrated in that it's not nearly as bad as people think, and simultaneously also legitimately in need of some help
I'd happily trade some AoE insanity for better single target damage/rage gen
tight tree
I'd trade aoe dps for higher SB uptime, and let cooldowns be cooldowns instead of part of rotation
Also talents are in need of rework
Only class i dont need talent tomes ever, just forgot i have other talents at all
Kinda eliminates the idea
brave jetty
Yeah I'd love 2-3 more potential decision points for talents
Heavy Repercussions baseline
It's time.
tight tree
If you use CDs as part of rotation, then you have fuck all when real ohshit situation happens
brave jetty
I loathe that I sometimes have to use Last Stand just to gap-fill SBs
tight tree
Dropped low, bc healer busy healing padding demonhunters? Last stand! JK, used to cover gaps in SB
exactly
merry cave
I'd rather my aoe damage than st damage tbh, way more useful in keys
And raids my dps is fine st
tight tree
or need better baseline damage reduc, because no SB = instantly kissing floor
brave jetty
I like it in keys too but I'd love if our talents actually gave us a choice between the two
IP buff would help
tight tree
DPS is losing value in high keys, you kite anyways
unless you can kite and DPS like brew
merry cave
Kite a lot less this week tbh
brave jetty
I feel like going towards 100% SB uptime is just compensating for undepowered-ness brought on by poor design decisions
I'd rather it be a sorta-CD and improve our mitigation outside of it
stronger IP would help us live without it and would make rage a little more interesting
tight tree
Current tuning is thayt SB feels mandatory 100% of time
brave jetty
^
tight tree
using CDs to cover is defacto very bad design
fathom marten
Def agree that we shouldn't feel like we need sb at 100% uptime but I don't think SB should be a CD
tight tree
Using demo shout in gaps is DPS loss and damage reduction is not enough
Either way it feels that you not playing optimally
fathom marten
It should be something we hit actively just not to the point whwre we have to use it to not take damage like a kitten
brave jetty
Maybe some interaction between block and IP would be neat
Like blocks add to the current absorb amount
tight tree
Some bosses have tunk busters that you have hold SB for and it feels horrible to hold on it, they melee for ton without.
KR or AD last bosses
Even buffing IP would help tbh
brave jetty
IP buff would lift all boats
fathom marten
As much as I like how useful LS is, I'd hsve to agree I don't like the design of how SB works now. High CD, high rage and use LS because of SB gaps. It's not really huge gaps but its enough and honestly feels like blizz didn't plan for that to happen more that it all kind of came into place
tight tree
It is me, but i just disagree that we must choose between damage or survivability. i should be able to do damage and survive, like ANY OTHER TANK. Bake IP into revenge.
π
fathom marten
I really liked vengeance weaving....but then they'd have to buff IP...which is back to complaint number 1
brave jetty
Seriously though some portion of Heavy Repercussions baseline
brave jetty
They could flat out give us Never Surrender and Heavy Repercussions for free right now and we wouldn't be OP compared to other tanks
At least, not the stronger tanks atm
brave jetty
It wouldn't be the best fix but that's the state we're in IMO
fathom marten
I disagree. Our class flow sucks but we are viable enough. If we brought somehting more to groups it would be better on us.
mellow bridge
Giving us utilities won't happen until a spec rework
which ain't happening for a long time
brave jetty
We're fine on utility
fathom marten
Doesn't make it any less true.
raven kernel
Idk what this utility meme is
mellow bridge
We're shit utility compared to any other tank
tight tree
I have a confession to make. I only play warrior, because i like how armor looks, and shield slamming and thunderclapping is so satisfying and glorious, i feel like i am a hero of fucking Manowar song
brave jetty
death grip WOULD be nice lol
Didn't we have a Heroic Throw type skill that used to silence and had a CD?
Once upon a time?
weary notch
tight tree
Salt on wounds
fathom marten
We bring no utility besides what I guess May be battle shout? Lol
tight tree
i dont want grip, i want silence and/or dispell
brave jetty
I'm telling y'all, Menace
mellow bridge
compare to a DH with better mobility, cheat death, aoe pull, aoe silence, aoe fear, needs less healer attention
tight tree
I want a reverse grip. Toss a rogue into casting mob, making him kick the cast.
fathom marten
Cone stun or wave stun really
mellow bridge
yeah cone I guess
brave jetty
Don't we pretty solidly have 2nd best mobility?
prisma night
3rd id say
mellow bridge
3rd prolly
tight tree
after monk/dh
mellow bridge
maybe with bounding 2nd? not sure
brave jetty
Oh Monk I guess
fathom marten
Monk and dh beat us
tight tree
monk have port and do not need ally to roll to
Also feels nice to use ring of peace and dispel poisons and offheal in downtime. just more involving and fun.
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Π°Π³ΡΠ»
fuck
putin sabotaged my keyboard sorry
mellow bridge
ring of peace is such a good fkin ability
makes me envious
Can cheat so many mechanics with it
fathom marten
Thing our mobility is handicapped by our speed to click and cast. As where monks its done as soon as you hit it and dhs have a 2 in one because there mobility open up with cannon ball with an aoe sigil
It's like, we have a lot of separate abilities that other tanks have abilities that do 2 things in one.
tight tree
BAKE IP INTO REVENGE
THUNDERCLAP INTO SHIELD SLAM
just feel dated, right?
like i am driving old muscle car and people around in Teslas. Muscle car looks cool but really loud, eats more fuel, manual transmission and does not have air conditioning.
And still i love it lmao
fathom marten
Nah I'm more into my revolutionary and innovative idea.
Make a 3rd ranged warrior spec and make shaman enhancement a tank spec. π
tight tree
I want warlock tank spec. Would reroll in a second.
magic sonnet
mellow bridge
yea just give em an earth focused spec
for tanking
and I dont feel like prot is that outdated, it's just a couple of small things @tight tree
fathom marten
Yes I agree with you @mellow bridge
fringe marten
I have many lucky doo's...you like?
zealous crest
guys, is Vanquished Tendril of G'huun good for tank dps?
fathom marten
I mean, tbf I like the idea of ignore pain, a warrior ignoring pain (damage) because they are tough mother fuckers. But everyone complains about class fantasy...like really?? You're playing wow for class fantasy? If that's the case there should strength checks for cloth warriors to be able to carry so much gear In bags.
mellow bridge
that doesnt make any sense lmao
vocal nimbus
@zealous crest it can be decent but only in single target
mellow bridge
When people talk about class fantasy they want to feel like the class theyre playing
If youre a warrior people want to have big, fat armor, blocking a lot of damage etc
vocal nimbus
unless the proc is halved for tank specs π€ @hot locust do you know if this xpac dps trinkets are also halved as in legion?
mellow bridge
as a Rogue you want to feel sneaky, being able to come out of stealth and instantly blowing up smth
etc
hot locust
Not sure, but I don't think so based on how Fathoms is.
Could be an exception though.
Actually now that I think about i'm pretty sure they aren't halved anymore. the trinket out of temple damage is the same, button is the same, etc.
vocal nimbus
Dungeon trinkets werent halved in legion tho
hot locust
Syringe is the same for me.
vocal nimbus
But i dont think its halved anymore either
Most trinkets can drop both as tank or dps spec
Would be dumb if a drop as a tank spec is nerfed
fathom marten
@mellow bridge of course it makes sense. You ever played dnd or other rpgs? Being able to carry more because you're a strong sob is one of the perks of warrior classes. There's a bunch more to class fantasy then people want to admit. People are not complaining for class fantasy when it's something difficult only when it's what they find is cool.
mellow bridge
Yes I played pathfinder
and you know that 90% of the players just ignore the weight limit anyway until you try to do ridiculous stuff
There's a big difference between class fantasy in a fight
which is what WoW is about 95% of the time
and "class fantasy" for useless shit like carrying weight
no one cares about the latter
broken kite
thanks blizz
hot locust
nice shield... oh wait xD
zealous crest
bro, I would ike that shit π
hot locust
If only G'huun would drop his shield sigh
zealous crest
dps is all that matters
hot locust
Abrodus is that you?
zealous crest
nope
raven ore
π
jade socket
@zealous crest what do you think of marok?
vocal nimbus
Doesnt look like abortus to me
hot locust
WTT 370 Rezan's for 370 shield PST
fathom marten
And what is really hurting class fantasy about a warrior ignoring pain? This isn't a new idea, this is similar to bezerking style spells. People are complaining about "class fantasy" when I'm positive 90% don't play for its fantasy, they play for its style of fighting . Which is only part of class fantasy. They're are more characteristics to class fantasy then what they look like and spell abilities. Wairrors are not throwing fireballs at people. It's fitting in class fantasy fine. @mellow bridge
hot locust
When you do like 10 or more M+ a day and never get a shield π¦
mellow bridge
I never said that ignoring pain isn't part of the class fantasy
and I've never heard someone say that either to be honest
balmy plume
Hi guys hoping someone can help me. My guild is currently progressing on Zul heroic but seems i am struggling with surviving in p2. If anyone can offer some tips would be greatly appreciated.
hot locust
You can have the debuff dropped off of you if you have paladins with BoP (it still drops the puddle though so make sure to move out).
raven kernel
take 3 stacks, run out
scream for bop
its not really up to tanks to live when running out
almost entirely on healers
to follow you and stay in range
and keep healing you
use shield wall / call externals if necessary
once you get the 3rd stack
depends on whether your healers can manage it without a dmg reduction CD or not
(they should)
rich robin
OMG both tanks in my guild get destroyed by Zul's dot. Is it best to designate a specific healer to follow the tanks?
rich robin
I'll bring it up. Thanks for the advice!
raven kernel
if its your first kill, its ok to just sacrifice tanks sometimes
if you have rezzes available
just make sure they dont die until they are at the corner
u dont want the shit in the middle
like as a warrior
if i wanna sacrifice
i can go up to like
5 stack
while being bombed by healers
other tank taunts
you just leap out immediately
and die
get brezzed
zealous crest
Fuck my life. Ppl that wrote BFA tank rankings deserve to be shot dead
ppl are just blind
and all they want is DK...
steady fiber
mmm dk, pala , dh , monk i gues
tight tree
LF TANK Atol Dazir +3 ---DK ONLY!!!!111--- 370ilvl ez run
(author is 286 DH without interrupt on his bar)
sour osprey
@steady fiber you can start at 330/340 then it depends on how far you want to go, 340 is enough for +5 for example
light fulcrum
Depends How good your group is. Had 354 Hunter in my Group. Last Boss atal under my dps and Overall only a Bit over me
merry cave
Lol 370 for a 3
Why would you even want to join that dumbass
That run screams 'stay the fuck away' to me
tight tree
that was made-up LFG post, to show the irony of it π
and you beleived it was real just reinforces how hysterical situation is
willow topaz
I have a dilemma, got a 370 chest from m+ cache this week, but current chest (340) is only piece I currently have with deafening crash. Worth the 30ilvl for losing the trait? Gut feeling says probably not
tight tree
DC worth 25-ish ilevels (Marok says so!)
So i think its worth it to use new one
At the very least use it when pugging to inflate ilevel π€£
mellow bridge
I'd say the 30 ilvl are worth more
merry cave
@tight tree definitely see idiots wanting dk only and super super high ilvl so totally believed it π¬
junior igloo
What's idiotic about that?
When a 370 frost mage applies, the 320 enhancement shaman is getting declined.
Why would you accept "reasonable" item level players when you have others much higher applying?
tight tree
Idiotic is asking for DK only and asking for unreasonbly high ilevel for low key
valid gorge
if that person want to go out of his way, spending lots of time looking for overgeared people for that content, why shouldn't he?
there is literally nothing wrong with it
it's his group
his rules
I think his expectations are high, sure, but how does that impact you?
tight tree
Ofc he can. And according to this same logic, i can poke fun at him however i want. It does impact players (not me, i dont pug), setting up unreasonable expectations, leads to overall increased toxicity and elitism in community.
sour osprey
Wow is lacking tank, even if they donc accept you go on another group you will find easily
tight tree
Ok guys, it was a joke! If you not seeing anything wrong in that LFG post i made up, i really have nothing to say. π€£
junior igloo
Oh, there is plenty wrong
But it's not the leaders fault
The game should be designed in a way that 370 players don't have incentive to do content dropping 350.
But since they do (because of titanforging, quest rewarding 370+ for low level dungeons, AP farming etc.), he is just taking advantage of the situation.
You can argue that having fun is more important than being efficient and that's fine.
But there are a lot of players who try to min-max and play as efficiently as possible, this discord is largely about improving each others play and getting better results.
There is no doubt that you will get better results with high geared players (and on classes you believe are the strongest for the given content) in your group.
ember arrow
Well said
zealous crest
is DC trait still BiS if I play Devastator only?
ember arrow
Why would you play with devastator?
zealous crest
couse I like it and I dont raid mythic
ember arrow
Its objectively worse than BV. Irrelevant if u raid mythic. But you do you. I dont think it changes DC value
zealous crest
doing solid for now. Ranked 2nd on hc mother, top 10 on rest bosses. Only care about dps output as long as I dont die...
and deva makes me happy so fuck it
fathom marten
You got some good gulides backing you up then
I mean I guess if you can get by being less efficient with your group go ahead. /shrug. Regaurdless don't think dc would effect be affected by deva being picked.
junior igloo
Devastator is pretty good for ST dps
I don't think anyone did the math for dps benefits of Azerite traits, at least I only saw defensive comparisons
sick sentinel
BV gives you basically permanent +15% damage tho
So devastator isn't that much better on st
jovial reef
this is the reason prot warrior top deaths everywhere by far 4Head
fathom marten
Hey if you have the guild to support fuck itlol
zealous crest
Thraw, you know me, I know you π
sharp fjord
If you going to spec devastator, you should pick heavy repercussions, the sinergy is better than Anger if you looking for dps'ing
inland silo
That sounded so wrong to me but then I remembered we donβt have BC anymore
fathom marten
Haha πππ
zealous crest
avatar?
fathom marten
I mean looking at your logs. Your sb uptime is great and you're using demo decently high enough. So I suppose it's still a viable setup with good skill and support
old zephyr
Can you BoP zul's bleed ?
vocal nimbus
Or do it and yolo
fathom marten
I'm with soul
Do it
Let's live up to our death % misrep
If you can't beat me, kill ourselves
I want to see that graph number doubled.
vocal nimbus
Whats worse, zul's dot or botanist phase 3 mythic π€
fathom marten
I want people to be scared when they see us in a group with tjem
fallen quiver
prot warrior worst tank in bfa
TRIGGERED
Explain to the newcomer, please. What is the problem
shell night
prot is fine. healers are the problem π
fallen quiver
π€
steep egret
Whats the ilvl "value" of sockets for prot in general?
tight tree
PROT IS FINE (need to pin this imo)
old zephyr
Make it the name of the channel
mellow bridge
prot is OK
tight tree
DPS issue 100%. They need to stop taking damage so healers can actually heal warriors!
old zephyr
Kinda True as well
tardy rain
#Truefact - I died tanking a Mythic last night cause the healer was too busy healing the DPS -.-
mellow bridge
@fallen quiver Problems are:
IP is pretty fkin bad
Magic dmg destroys our asses
Low utility compared to other tanks
VERY SB reliant, if it's down we have to use LS to fill the gap which means we have only a single oh shit button left
Pros:
BIG DICK DAMAGE
old zephyr
Other fact We ran mm0 with no healer and no off heal (lock stone and pot only )
No one died
tight tree
Magic dmg destroys all tanks tho π€
neat sphinx
Yo, for azerite powers , Brace for impact or Archive of the Titans ?
mellow bridge
laughs in paladin
vocal nimbus
Paladin needs a talent for that π€
mellow bridge
and other tanks have less issues vs magic dmg because of potential selfheals, bigger hp pools and stagger in the case of monk
DK has AMS
And yeah Paladins need a talent for that but they have the option
we dont have one at all
old zephyr
I never had Γ problem of too much magic Damage as a warrior
mellow bridge
idk what kinda content you do, but in high level keys magic damage will be an issue
jovial reef
PrOt iS FiNe
mellow bridge
Not saying it's impossible or anything like that
vocal nimbus
We dont have an option because the cd is always there
mellow bridge
but it's an issue
vocal nimbus
fallen quiver
Dead has no problems?
vocal nimbus
Monks only stagger 35% of magic damage
Saying prot gets its ass teared against magic damage is missleading
because every tank does
old zephyr
Bleed though...
vocal nimbus
Bleed isnt magical
old zephyr
Yeah but It's worse than magic
vocal nimbus
Bleed is a physical DoT that ignores all armor
Which is the biggest weakness of prot
mellow bridge
It's not misleading tho
Bigger HP pools make it easier for them to tank the magic dmg; DK and DH have big selfheals which do more than our IP against magic dmg
DK has AMS
DH has soul barrier depending on the content and if it's trash mobs they can simply silence them for uhh
6 seconds?
then use chains for another interrupt and fear for another if needed
vocal nimbus
If you talk about magic damage dont start putting in the bag other kind of utility π€·
Prot and BDK are the only tanks with specific magic mitigation
mellow bridge
Why shouldn't I? It's part of their kit to deal with magic dmg
vocal nimbus
Well, prot then has Demo shout, last stand, shield wall
mellow bridge
We only have a very mediocre IP and shield wall
mellow bridge
LS barely changes anything against magic dmg and is part of our core rotation anyway
so there's a pretty good chance of not even being up
*of it
Demo shout, yeah youre right with that one
vocal nimbus
Then your argument of having higher hp pools barely change anything too
mellow bridge
I mean you can literally just run a KR high key for example and see the difference in tanks at shadow of zul
just watch a dh/bdk/paladin tank it and then a warrior
it's laughable
and with LS we literally have an even HP pool with them/sometimes a bit lower still
for 8 seconds
vocal nimbus
15 seconds actually
mellow bridge
yeah sorry I'm trolling lol
tight tree
pOrT IS FiNe
raven kernel
little lower hp pool doesnt matter
mellow bridge
shield wall is 8s
raven kernel
cos shadow of zul doesnt chunk u for 80% of ur hp
if your healer cant keep you up on shadow of zul
vocal nimbus
You were missleading tho
raven kernel
an extra 15% hp is meaningless
vocal nimbus
Every tank will get destroyed by zul's shadow
Every tank will suffer from magic damage
raven kernel
honestly prot is fine on shadow of zul if you play it right
avatar ds tc spam = 100% ds uptime
raven kernel
funnel all your rage into ip without overcapping it (time your IPs)
you are very healable
tight tree
shadow does not melee
vocal nimbus
Its not right to tell someone new that "prot gets destroyed", it will misslead them to think that others will be stronger
clear nimbus
I am not sure Monk it's really good class for newplayer
tight tree
It is forgiving
jovial reef
true, they may get used to having everything be super easy
fallen quiver
Soooo
If people don't like prot's tanking in PvE
Prot can go PvP? π€
merry cave
Prot gets destroyed on mythic fetid π¬
amber siren
I think everything but BrM is getting killed on fetid isn't it?
tight tree
Improved the pic. I will stop now π
merry cave
Watching methods steam monk wasn't having a great time either lol I'm just being a smart ass
jovial reef
"taste changes"
fallen quiver
btw prot warrior in battlemode pvp is very fun
jovial reef
or "tastes change" π€
vocal nimbus
i feel like a rock with my 353 monk
i wonder what would it feel like with sco's 366 monk
raven kernel
im a rock too
merry cave
Soz your 6ft tower shield can't block that arrow π
onyx vessel
Why doesnt blocking the dot stacking shit from zul reduce the dot damage bliz
amber siren
block has never stopped bleeds or magic
vocal nimbus
What tank nerfs? π€
fallen quiver
I wanna spellblock
jovial reef
paladin^
onyx vessel
Too early for spelling
Well you think about it
You normally put your shield In front of a spell
And knock it away from you
So why wouldnt it spell block
onyx vessel
Nvm logic
valid gorge
D:
merry cave
Think there keeping that as a pally thing / spell reflect
knotty ermine
@fallen quiver agree. Been messing around running MW/BM/Prot in 3s, and it's just about the most fun I've had in arenas in a few expansion.
fallen quiver
@knotty ermine One problem - no one focus u (mostly). My def stats not so usefull in that situation
knotty ermine
That's actually the beauty of the comp. Prot does a very surprising amount of dmg while the healer is generally who is getting tunneled in our group, and they have in insane amount of disrupting abilities. With that comp we actually avoid getting into any kind of defensive battle as best we can, just gostraight for one of the other teams DPS right out the gate. Forces them to use defensives/etc instead of focusing our healer, and usually catches their healer off guard that they either oom very quickly, or flat out can't keep up.
That and keeping the healer locked down is just hilarious between trap, stormbolt, fear, leg sweep, dragon charge, shockwave, and if we're lucky, a spell reflected cyclone or something
...like I said, it's incredibly fun.
fallen quiver
Yeah. Some enemies was surprised when i do Avatar + DS(with BV)+ spam thunder. I was damage dealer for 20 sec Kappa
knotty ermine
Yerp. Bleeds add a lot of pressure to the healer as well.
No idea if it's actually viable past 16-1700 but... I don't actually care that much about competitive arena, just having fun with some RL friends, and so far it has been a blast.
fallen quiver
Yeah, Before PVP experience i was think that bleed on prot deal no damage
Btw, what talents u use?
In PVP
knotty ermine
Depends. I change em quite a bit depending on what the other team is looking like. Into the Fray or punish (ItF of tjher team is double melee, punish otherwise), crackling thunder if I'm also using thunderstruck (more on that in sec), unstoppable force always, never surrender or bolster depending again on whether we're facing a caster or melee comp, stormbolt always, booming voice and anger mgmt
for pvp talents I use relentless, morale killer, and dragon charge always, and swap between thunderstruck against melee, or shield bash against casters
been tinkering with mass spell reflect instead of shield bash, but jury is still out on which one I prefer
similarly been messing with disarm instead of thunderstruck, but leaning more toward sticking with TS.
fallen quiver
Tnx. Im thinking about Heavy Repercussions from last tier + Sword and Board in some situations
vagrant bridge
Havoc DHs don't get killed by fetid π unless they hotfixed
Old reply don't mind me
knotty ermine
Not a terrible choice, just with our comp we needed to minimize the damage output of the other team while keeping steady pressure on their heals, and I found basically permanent demo shout and getting avatar back up frequently did a fantastic job accomplishing that.
One downside though, having demo shout being available basically always is a spoiling feeling and sucks to go back into PvE. Lol
fallen quiver
Permanent DS is fantastic. I really miss this in PvE
brazen void
with the pvp upgrade it's what, 130% uptime?
fallen quiver
15 sec cd, 8 sec duration
brazen void
a deafening crash and some anger management and you're golden
fallen quiver
Anger Management talent
knotty ermine
Oh, and currently azerite traits are thunderclap w/e, brace for impact, and... Iron fortress? Increased shield slam dmg, whatever that is.
brazen void
IT's a very...concussive setup
fallen quiver
Especially with Morale Killer
knotty ermine
Mmhm.
regal yacht
You should never need to have SB up is you have last stand/bolster up correct?
vagrant bridge
Haste mastery imo
vocal nimbus
Disc
vagrant bridge
Vers is overrated for Prot Warr
uncut fractal
ok ty
mellow bridge
Yeah I'd go with haste mast too
regal yacht
You should never need to have SB up is you have last stand/bolster up correct?
open bluff
yes
regal yacht
Does same thing right
open bluff
last stand with bolster is a 15 second shield block, only it doesn't actually count as AM for an AM check (which i don't believe exists right now in bfa)
untold adder
Use last stand to reset your sb cd's as well
like fetid devourer, when you offtank that you can easely mitigate every single thrash
uneven mason
@regal yacht Correct, Bolster portion of Last Stand gives 100% block chance, just like shield block. @open bluff Also correct, no AM checks, and Bolster does not count as an AM.
untold adder
SB, SB, Last stand, SB, SB and then probably time to eat babies
untold adder
very very close to
uneven mason
very very close yes
untold adder
if you use avatar along with last stand and keep rage-dump high, last stand will be ready again pretty quick
uneven mason
depends if he decides to use his barf blast immediately or sits on it for 5 seconds
untold adder
yes.. if only the puke had some kind of logic
uneven mason
Its like Argus with his Torment/scyth
untold adder
when he hits 3 thrashes and barfs, all is good, when he decideds to keep smacking your ass for 7 thrash in a row before he goes to puke it kinda sucks
uneven mason
DO I NF NOW? OR Wil...nope he decided to spend 4 seconds doing other shit
SCYTHEDED
untold adder
π
when will we get buffed btw? it must happen soon. 1.6% prot warriors was tanks in the currently-done m10 and up...
untold adder
vers = mastery afaik
earnest zinc
Vers is much more consistent and works on all damage
untold adder
i still belive we will scale amazing and tip the scales, come better gear
dont ruin my dream
i gotta hold on to something
earnest zinc
For now reroll DK or Brew for a competitive guild
earnest zinc
If your guild isn't competitive, you are fine
uneven mason
Smorholm that is literally because we're the least played tank
untold adder
i raid with friends, but i cant get into m+ groups without going premade ..
even with high raider.io score
uneven mason
and we're the least played because of 1. We're punished the most for mistakes 2. lot of flipperhanded monkeys out there
mellow bridge
What's your score and what keys are you trying to get into?
uneven mason
Public perception matters
untold adder
500+ and +5's alone is a problem
mellow bridge
Can't say I've had any trouble to get into +5 with similar score
Around +8 is where it gets hard for me sadly
earnest zinc
You typically don't want to pug higher than a +3 in most cases
earnest zinc
Maybe I've had bad luck
uneven mason
I Mean, you can have an awesome pug
mellow bridge
Literally just pugged kr 8 yesterday with not a single issue
uneven mason
or a dumpsterfire pug
mellow bridge
You just need to be patient and choose good people if you're the leader
earnest zinc
Never pug with your key
uneven mason
You can have a hunter who controls their pet, and uses traps, and interrupts casters and misdirects
mellow bridge
Honestly if you pay attention to score and ilvl it shouldn't be too much of an issue atm
uneven mason
or you can have some REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE barrage jackhole who spams that 1 button macro
mellow bridge
I agree that pugs can be.. Questionable at times but if you look for a group with a good score it should be fine
knotty ermine
I know you guys won't believe me, but ran a Siege of Boralus +6 last night with a tank from Rag, and we finished within the timer
uneven mason
well I Mean, folks from Rag
knotty ermine
Granted, it was a DK tank
uneven mason
their primary skill is being able to face pull everything
knotty ermine
So I'm gonna assume it is a testament to how ridiculous they are right now
uneven mason
and not wait for anything
uneven mason
yeah Grip makes a lot of trash easier
regal yacht
Is there some kind of haste cap i should be shotting for. Or do I just stack haste as much as i can
knotty ermine
mossy narwhal
In legion i ran into some bad groups though
knotty ermine
My experiences have varied from suprisingly good, to an absolute dumpster fire
with very little inbetween
mossy narwhal
A tank and healer that kept screaming at each other until healer left on lower kara
Pissed me off that did... nearly finished too
knotty ermine
Ran Tol Dagor last night as well. Whole run going smooth as butter, group absolutely shat the bed on the last boss
knotty ermine
(side note, have a rogue tricks you or hunter MD you before hopping in a cannon, it's hilariously effective)
uneven mason
"What do you mean I need to stack immunities or get 1 shot?"
jovial reef
hyrja intensifies
uneven mason
people need to be smart
like if you don't have a bullet debuff
and have a self CD up
take a fucking bullet
knotty ermine
CHeese strat works great regardless of m+ level
...unless people don't pay attention to bullets.
uneven mason
I was like full on enraged
because the mage is standing there with iceblock off CD and the healer is about to eat a 2nd one
I had eaten 2 already
like DPS STEP UP BOIS
frosty wedge
the healer should have just stepped behind the mage, lol
dusk locust
isn't there some magic corner you're supposed to tank him in? i never found out exactly where that was
uneven mason
Movement on that fight
knotty ermine
Btw, hunters can't feign Rezan's focus/chomp ability anymore
frosty wedge
I've legit leaped behind bad DPS to make them eat a bullet before
knotty ermine
that was a fun discovery yesterday
mossy narwhal
Thing is the movement meter stops you from moving too much
final mist
Welcome to "Reasons Why I Don't Pug", I'm your host Sal and today we'll be covering the number one reason why I don't pug.
uneven mason
Know what else was a fun discorvery
Feigning eyebeam on Zek
that was professional level bullshit, wiped twice because a hunter got it, and was like OH I"LL JUST BE DEAD - rather than disengaging out
knotty ermine
uneven mason
picks another person at random, with no warning
untold tendon
How do you get a squirrel down from a tree?
Pull down your pants and show him your nuts!
knotty ermine
Front position pushes all the way into corner ahead of them, back 2 have their backs to the wall
uneven mason
Cause that needs to be in every channel