pissing me off
#protection
keen spire
grim prism
Griff is pulling about as much DPS if the parse %s are any indication
keen spire
I was consistently getting 85s and up in legion and now I'm like shit tier
grim prism
@chilly brook link logs pls, I dont want to scroll up
Keep in mind Blob that group performance is important as well
The quicker the shit dies, the higher your lust uptime on the fight
grim prism
Big dick DPS
keen spire
what's his name?
grim prism
Ty
uneven mason
KALEGGULA
keen spire
That is arms
chilly brook
I mean my monk was Kaleg
uneven mason
I guess its kind've the sound you make when eating Kale
grim prism
@keen spire click the prot tab lol
chilly brook
And then I needed a name for my warrior
grim prism
I was thinking like Caligula but while choking on food
chilly brook
And Caligula popped into my head
And I went with Kalegula but that was taken
So then Kaleggula
Truth be told Kalegula was taken by me by a 110 I wasn't playing at the time but didn't want to name change or delete
grim prism
Kaleggula, figurehead of the Veggan Repubblic
keen spire
😐
uneven mason
and do nothing for a while fight but dodge beams
digital arrow
lol
chilly brook
And do nothing
uneven mason
because they don't understand that you could be arms, and it would be faster
chilly brook
True
uneven mason
cause after that first add wave
chilly brook
tbh I'm just gonna say that next time
uneven mason
like - they die within 2 seconds
keen spire
tbh the first add wave dies in 2 seconds too
chilly brook
But our DPS is too scared
chilly brook
Double DH means they don't last past my first TC
uneven mason
I'm literally watching netflix
"oh beams every 30seconds" Yeah I'll wait to hear that beep go off
daring marlin
@chilly brook My overall would be higher but I add tank mother and goomba stomp on taloc to make life easier on the raid lol
wild atlas
I’ve been ripping pretty well so far, but I don’t think I’ll be catching Sense anytime soon. Best I can get is a top 10 heroic Taloc lol.
uneven mason
I MT Taloc
dusk locust
that fight would be better if you had to dps something in room 2 to weaken the wall enough to let more people through
something like that
uneven mason
cause my offtank and I flipped to see who got to be bored on what fight
daring marlin
Monk raid leader likes to so w/e lol
uneven mason
I'm like, we'll, if you actually ahve something todo, you'll probably endup rolling off the elevator
because Monks do that
daring marlin
LOL
rich robin
I’m add tank as well, and half of mother I just stand there and /dance
uneven mason
I sidestep the beams for the 2nd and 3rd room
and use toys
like, Super Simian Sphere
to irritate folks
chilly brook
Is ok though cuz I get to actually do damage on Fetid and act like I'm super man because Thrash does nothing to me
daring marlin
yup
uneven mason
Giant Gamon in a Pink Bubble
CAN"T SEE THE FIRE ANYMORE CAN YA
My entertainment is seeing if I can get others killed...like intercepting DHs on Fetid
thin mortar
lol
keen spire
Holy hell that sounds so funny
uneven mason
the first night I got someone at like 2%
leaped behind him and he didn't move fast enough (they're surprisingly quick)
they really tuned Thrash down now tho
thin mortar
https://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/796/750/2ad.jpg You come bearing gifts.
real rover
Why are you not kicked for that from your raid? ^^
real rover
Cleared uldir normal & 3 bosses hx today. I have no logs yet but it felt like I improved from your tips btw
grim prism
I have a disc priest friend who tries to kill people on prog
uneven mason
I have a disc priest in my raid
uneven mason
who was life gripping me into Mindcontrols on Myth
uneven mason
"Sack Slap"
real rover
It's dansgrip
keen spire
Guys, are the parses kinda skewed right now in general since it's so new? Or can we be taking them seriously?
since the raid is so new I mean
grim prism
Take them seriously
uneven mason
and then use Penance me back out
grim prism
There will be more variability in the first weeks
keen spire
So having 10 DPS in grays right now means I need a new raid team. Gotcha.
grim prism
But someone who parses 60 two months from now is going to be well under someone who parsed 95 today
keen spire
we're 6/8 Normal
junior lichen
What is min haste % for heroic uldir?
grim prism
And it only counts the highest parse from each player, so its not like the number of parses grows exponentially
uneven mason
no min haste %
grim prism
@junior lichen however much you have
uneven mason
its not worth sacrificing item level for haste
grim prism
Ilvl > all on armor pieces
tired shadow
Tips for Tol Dagor last boss on Tyrannical?
keen spire
Don't stand in the shit
uneven mason
90% Of his big damage is avoidable
keen spire
move preemptively
daring marlin
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGE
keen spire
so you don't get fucked when you need to make micro adjustments
thin mortar
as a tank you shouldn't be stuggling on that fight... dps seems to fall over from azurite shots tho
tired shadow
Ya im not talking about the avoidable stuff
keen spire
don't take more than one azerite shot
grim prism
Then no not really @tired shadow
keen spire
deadshot
spread it around the party, have them use a personal defensive to soak it when it's their turn
coordinate
grim prism
Tank him in the middle of the aisle at the corner so it creates nice long open spaces for your DPS
Dont try to cram everyone in the corner against the wall
tired shadow
The problem is more the party damage from Explosive Burst + Incendiary Round debuff
Talking about 9+ here
junior lichen
I am 357 but i have 7% haste feels so stupid
grim prism
Oh nice i thought they changed it to be physical only; i was thinking of bodyguard
keen spire
as long as they're close enough that you don't get megastunned by intercepting them
lol
uneven mason
but yeah folks gotta leanr to use healing pots (not on DPS Pot timer)
uneven mason
if they'e within 10 yards you wont move at all when you cast it
real rover
@uneven mason I can already see an improvement 😇
uneven mason
Well, its a start :d
real rover
well I parse now with 55%+ instead of 24% :x
grim prism
Thats a lot of Verwüsten mein Freund
uneven mason
You should have seen it before
real rover
😄
just looking at the logs in detail, it seems like that devastate is only that high because of the first 2 bosses where I didn't tank really.
because off tank
uneven mason
he's filling Revenges in with it as well, probably could go a bit lower, but its better than being 64% of his GCDs 😄
keen spire
yo dawgs - go review my logs in #449510248579858432
mellow bridge
Hey guys, got 3 trinkets and not sure which ones to use:
- Emblem of Zandalar with a socket and 355 ilvl
- Merektha's Fang 365 ilvl
- Briny Barnacle 360 ilvl
I'd use the Emblem
but not sure which one of the other two is better
mellow bridge
yeah
I was thinking about barnacle too, but not sure how they stack up dmg wise
and the fang has slightly higher ilvl but that's only 12 strength
plain vapor
the barnacle could add some nice extra damage on aoe fights
mellow bridge
I don't really raid so AoE dmg is where it's at usually anyway
unless it's a high key tyrannical
uncut fractal
What tanks do you guys use as a back up in case prot is going to be even more dead
plain vapor
prot 4ever
keen spire
^
dusk locust
^
plain ice
^
worldly ibex
^
mellow bridge
what kinda content are you doing rhasta
plain vapor
a captain goes down with his ship
mellow bridge
Unless youre pushing really high keys/m uldir I wouldnt worry too much
uncut fractal
umm i'm struggling in m+
mellow bridge
what lvl
uncut fractal
i'm 360 ilvl and I can barely survive +8
maybe i'm doing something wrong
goal is to spam +10s
grim prism
You are
mellow bridge
yeah
mellow bridge
I'm 354/5 and 8s arent really a problem except certain packs
distant abyss
anyone have a good ignore pain weak aura?
plain ice
uncut fractal
I feel like last week I had adds problems
grim prism
@distant abyss :pins
uncut fractal
And now bosses are a pain
plain ice
any specific dungeons/packs giving you a problem @uncut fractal ?
distant abyss
thanks
uncut fractal
+7 Sethralis and we couldn't get past 1st boss
mellow bridge
well that's fortified/tyrannical for you :P
grim prism
Well yeah, thats the affixes lol
mellow bridge
Do you just pug or is it a fixed group?
grim prism
Are you dying to melees or something else
grim prism
Was someone attackinf lightning shield
mellow bridge
get the addon and check your healers
grim prism
Because that'll gib you on tyran
unkempt fox
evening guys, 350 jes howler vs 360 vial of animated blood vs blockades for uldir?
uncut fractal
Well we had 2x BM 1x Frost Mage
So we couldn't not cleave at Sehtralis
Not sure how to do 1st boss as I couldn't TC either
so I was like spamming devastate
grim prism
@unkempt fox howler and blockades
sick sentinel
40 str gem or 40 haste gem?
unkempt fox
@grim prism thanks, is vial worth anywhere? (m+ burst probabaly)
uncut fractal
Dont they follow?
runic fjord
The one with lightning shield does not move.
grim prism
Thats about it vov, yeah
uncut fractal
If you intrerrupt?
ember arrow
no
uncut fractal
Oh wow
ember arrow
the one without shield does things
uncut fractal
that changes everything
ember arrow
while other stands still
uncut fractal
lmaoo
runic fjord
rip
grim prism
Doing mechanics makes bosses way easier
uncut fractal
damn
uncut fractal
Are there m+ guides for each dungeon?
runic fjord
people literally make guides about them for a living
uncut fractal
Like special routes etc
runic fjord
yes
mellow bridge
Yea temple sounds a bit rough
mellow bridge
how does last work work with tyrannical actually?
runic fjord
there are a lot of resources
ember arrow
more dmg on everything
grim prism
I would avoid temple in general, it only drops one piece worth having and there are alternatives elsewhere
ember arrow
and more healing required
grim prism
Atal'Dazar all day
mellow bridge
godbless KR was so easy this week
just did a +8 earlier toda
*today
compared to last week, was a cakewalk
uncut fractal
Also I hate underroot trash
grim prism
Last boss was a wee bit sketch for me
mellow bridge
no longer dieing to 2 stacks of bleed without a cd lmao
grim prism
On KR
mellow bridge
really
do you know where you have to tank him?
You can skip one round of spears easily
mellow bridge
lmao
grim prism
Ive done KR like four times total
mellow bridge
KR is honestly not hard once people know what to do imho
grim prism
Three actually
mellow bridge
first couple runs were scary but now I dont mind it at all
grim prism
Everything up to last boss was piss easy
runic fjord
@uncut fractal Underrot trash is extremely easy.
mellow bridge
Shadow of Zul is always a bit scary for us prots :/
grim prism
I think we just fell behind on heals so it felt svarier than it was
grim prism
Demo and spam IP
runic fjord
You can avoid pulling any of the ticks with the right pull route.
grim prism
5 or 6 i dont remember
mellow bridge
had to use shield wall and cocoon at +8 on him
grim prism
Just basically didnt use block at all
mellow bridge
luckily didnt need either at last boss until it was up again lmao
grim prism
Tbh
grim prism
Demo is a godsend though
mellow bridge
if Blizz gave us a bit better tools vs magicdmg and more hp
grim prism
Especially when you can run it for 40 seconds straight
uncut fractal
@runic fjord Underroot Tick small adds give like 10 stacks of Bursting and insta wipes my group
mellow bridge
yeah skip em
ember arrow
why would u pull ticks?
mellow bridge
There are two tick groups, you can skip both
uncut fractal
I thought you always pull the once at entrance
runic fjord
3 tick groups*
grim prism
Nope, go right
runic fjord
skip all 3
mellow bridge
3? I must be skipping one on accident LOL
grim prism
I pull the ticks after first boss
uncut fractal
And the skeletons I need to kite as they hjt like a truck
grim prism
Just kite and they do nothing
uncut fractal
The pack after 3rd boss
runic fjord
pull grub, go right through the middle to the pack at the ramp, then down the ramp to the smaller pack.
mellow bridge
After the boss you can just take the right way and skip em
grim prism
The right way involves three lashers at once, no?
mellow bridge
use purge for their boneshield if you have one in group
runic fjord
since when he casts wild frenzy they all go big dick
mellow bridge
Uh not sure but lashers are not a problem imho
half merlin
do you guys consider items an upgrade if it's +15 ilvl but you lose haste/mastery to like crit/vers or vers/crit, where the first is the highest amount? (sorry for hijacking the current conversation)
grim prism
Id rather pull ticks than lashers
mellow bridge
yea
grim prism
I pug thougj
runic fjord
yeah if your group can't interrupt lashers y'all got a problem
uncut fractal
Do you guys use Storm Bolt in m+?
grim prism
Yeah
mellow bridge
I dont
half merlin
ok so i fucked up then
mellow bridge
I use the reduced cd for shockwave
grim prism
Even on rings i wouldnt give up more than 10 in most cases
mellow bridge
the extra strength is rly good and your secondary stats are very close to each other @half merlin
runic fjord
I swap depending on dungeons
grim prism
As in i havent seen an exception yet
runic fjord
places like underrot with big packs, i take shockwave CD
places like kings rest, storm bolt
mellow bridge
rly
grim prism
I take reduced SW cooldown generally but yeah, storm bolt can be very effective in some cases
mellow bridge
Feels like no matter the dungeon, I can alwaysm ake use of the cd
grim prism
Especially if your group is weak on CC
runic fjord
^^^
half merlin
cheers m8 @mellow bridge
uncut fractal
I'd rather have necrotic & sanguine than tyrannical. Some bosses are a nightmare imo
grim prism
Stop gross yikes
runic fjord
uhh
grim prism
Not tanking in lightning shield helps 😂
runic fjord
regardless of affix
mellow bridge
:D
uncut fractal
I've done siege +6
dusk locust
trash that channels magic into you and trash that shoots are the hard stuff
mellow bridge
yeah
uncut fractal
and the blue pools at last boss took me to 5% hp
mellow bridge
Lf magic reduction spell
uncut fractal
from full
runic fjord
uh
mellow bridge
well
runic fjord
why are you standing in blue pools
mellow bridge
dodge em
runic fjord
?
also the little spores on the last boss are 1-shottable with throw and proc victory rush
that boss is the most brainless thing ever
grim prism
Yeha man
keen spire
I went to Atal'Dazar last week on a +2, and there was some bullshit bug that made all the mobs double-spawn.... they were stacked right on top of each other.. it was kinda insane with fortified.
grim prism
I have a mouseover macro for heroic throw
mellow bridge
last boss is easy af anyway but that makes it even easier
runic fjord
i just use target scan hold
grim prism
Its great in UR
grim prism
20% heal every two globals
grim prism
Ok
uncut fractal
what's that
runic fjord
new keybind instead of tab target
objectively better in every way once you get used to using it
mellow bridge
o like
you press it and while it's pressed you have mouse over?
ah I should just watch the vid
runic fjord
😃
fair ingot
PogChamp
runic fjord
spicy
mellow bridge
Nice
wooden dove
knotty ermine
Ohhhhh ritual bandages buffed. I had a 355 with a sock sitting in the bank "just in case." Interested to give it a look when I get home
grim prism
Holy shit @runic fjord
runic fjord
yeah dude
grim prism
Post of the week for sure
runic fjord
it's pretty fantastic
mellow bridge
what the fuck are those hands
fair ingot
DO YOU NEEED?!
runic fjord
been using it since legion, can't go back
mellow bridge
dude
runic fjord
it's even good on ranged, but the ability to insta swap and interrupt
mellow bridge
+7m
runic fjord
straight up Kreygasm
mellow bridge
casually getting a 395..
That feature looks pretty useful but I'm afraid I'm already out of hotkeys 😬
uncut fractal
someone said holding tab does same thing?
runic fjord
literally just stop using tab target
ember arrow
@knotty ermine still not worth equipping
uncut fractal
but it only targets the 1st guy in front of me right?
runic fjord
ok so like
uncut fractal
what if they are in a line
runic fjord
it's the center of your camera
tiny rapids
Has anyone got this weird bug where you are teleported into the mob?
knotty ermine
0.0
runic fjord
i'm telling you, just mess around with it and get used to it
keen spire
I'm skeptical tbh
runic fjord
it's so much more intuitive, and it's just plain faster
keen spire
but I'll try it out when I get home
knotty ermine
@ember arrow well... That stinks. Was hoping it would at least be decent since I'm currently sitting on a mountain of haste/vers.
ember arrow
tank trinkets aret good, same was thecase during EN
knotty ermine
@Nimmock you mind PM'ing me that vid and maybe one of your macros? Currently driving to prep for this stupid hurricane so I may not get to it until late tonight, or possibly next week 🤷♂️
@runic fjord
keen spire
good luck with that shit carnivale
runic fjord
uh sure, what macro were you talking about though? I don't remember mentioning any recently.
knotty ermine
Sorry, was scanning the last conversation, thought you had that command macrod to abilities, or something.
uncut fractal
@runic fjord I'm going Atal Dazar. Do i go shockwave or storm bolt?
steel mauve
They buffed a several healing and defensive trinkets now
runic fjord
nah i just use it instead of tab target
since it does the same thing
but better
@uncut fractal depends on group comp
knotty ermine
Thanks @keen spire , we were looking okay, but the latest projections have us getting dumped on for a while after it makes landfall. Definitely nowhere near as bad of shape as my family that lives on the coast though
knotty ermine
Ahh, I gotcha. Cool. I'll check it out. Thanks again
mild hawk
Anyone else having a hard time even just keeping aggro in dungeons? I am finding even if I use thunderclap and revenge on CD, other melee dps are often stealing aggro off of me and getting smashed. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong if that isn't a common issue?
grim prism
Are they doing more than 5x your DPS?
runic fjord
you're just not hitting your buttons
knotty ermine
Unless I'm running with a druid healer, I dump my rage into threat establishment in the opener of every pull no probs bb
mild hawk
Maybe it's because skittish
grim prism
No need even, TC is a builder
runic fjord
i mean
grim prism
If youre struggling above +7 thats why @mild hawk
mild hawk
I'm using every single gcd and following the right rotation
runic fjord
7 and above
modern brook
yeah more so than in legion your DPS needs to remember to let you solidify aggro before cooldowns
mellow bridge
important question:
runic fjord
Prot has one of the highest DPS of all tanks rn, you shouldn't be having any issues with threat unless your dps is like, 40 ilvls higher and immediately smashing their burst on pull
mellow bridge
what content are you doing
modern brook
Skittish was never a tank mechanic
mellow bridge
if it's +7 mythic you will struggle slighty
if it's lower or not m+ at all, you shouldnt sturggle wit haggro
knotty ermine
Skittish just have a rogue, Hunter, or both in party and it's also gg.
mild hawk
+7's-9's is what I've been running today
grim prism
There are also lots of fixate mobs and random casters in these dungeons
modern brook
^ very true
grim prism
So thats significant too
mellow bridge
Yeah that's just skittish then
Use taunt to build up extra threat
try to split your dmg from devastate and shield slam on diff mobs
get a rogue/hunter
runic fjord
just take advantage of shockwave
knotty ermine
^^^^
runic fjord
position your mobs, blow em up, shockwave if they're gonna pull
mild hawk
im using shockwave on cd to the point it is one of the bigger icons on my CD weakauras
runic fjord
reestablish threat
knotty ermine
One complaint I do have about dungeons rn
grim prism
Save shockwave for losing aggro
knotty ermine
Running with a moonkin that drops treants often
runic fjord
explain to your DPS that it's skittish week
mild hawk
ok
knotty ermine
Annoying as piss
undone sun
heroic leap resets taunt cd 
modern brook
tell him to spec out of treants
grim prism
No need to stun if youre just taking melees
knotty ermine
Threat plates looking like a GD lightshow
runic fjord
LOL Method just found out Ring of Peace works on Fetid
mild hawk
To be fair I'm also not the best tank, I mainspec arms and fury (whichevers better) i just like getting easier parties to actually push.
undone sun
fix in 5....4....3...2....1
grim prism
How are you puggimg into groups as a prot
modern brook
inb4 method gets banned for RoP bug on Fetid
grim prism
I get denied for +4s ffs
runic fjord
ilvl?
mild hawk
I'm not pugging, I'm in a guild, but we only have a few tanks
grim prism
353 lol
modern brook
^ thats how i get in shit
runic fjord
yikes
mild hawk
I can usually play arms but today tanks havent been on so ive been tanking lol
mellow bridge
I actually dont struggle getting into groups atm
I think if you have decent raider.io score and ilvl it should be fine
grim prism
Some guy last week told me i'm the first prot tank he's seen all expac
runic fjord
sounds like you're just struggling with skittish
knotty ermine
A bugig part of that, from my exp is that the general consensus is that any tank that isn't a DK is trash.
Among pug groups I mean
runic fjord
if you don't have a lot of experience tanking M+
skittish has a bit of a learning curve
undone sun
@runic fjord did RoP work on the boss or add
mellow bridge
true that
runic fjord
Boss
undone sun
yikes
runic fjord
yeah boss runs to add to eat it
mellow bridge
wait on the boss?
mild hawk
the community always way over exaggerates that shit, like yeah its true prot could use some buffs but its not like you cant clear shit straight up because your tank is a warrior
mellow bridge
lmao
grim prism
@mellow bridge there are more DKs than pallies im that screencap lolol
mild hawk
community is annoying on that end
mellow bridge
@grim prism yea I said half the leaderboard, which was exaggerated I guess^^
just showing that pug opinion is pretty irrelevant tho
undone sun
gdi
grim prism
unfix in 5... 4...
mellow bridge
what's your raider score @grim prism
grim prism
Idk probably shit, all my irl friends raid so ive been exclusively pugging
grim prism
347 💀
mellow bridge
I mean 347 should be enough for a +4
grim prism
Turns out i havent run half the shit above a 2 so at least thats easily fixable
grim prism
Ive just been spamming ataldazar
grim prism
Because only three dungeons are worth chasing
AD, UR, KR drop everything but wrist and hands
knotty ermine
KR 6 key in my chest this week, and I may not wind up running it. RIP.
mellow bridge
Why
grim prism
With haste over vers/mast
knotty ermine
Her name is Florence, and she's a bitch
mellow bridge
That's rough
mellow bridge
Close wipe?
runic fjord
3% and he healed to 100%
mellow bridge
Yikes
runic fjord
🙃
grim prism
@runic fjord rapidly losing the credibility you gained with that targeting vid
grim prism
You guys wanna hear something REALLY funny
At r.io score 347, im the #2 prot war on my entire connected realm
knotty ermine
Hey so I'm gonna be sure and inv you to my late-week runs for ez rankings bb
tiny sphinx
but deathwish was removed
knotty ermine
Playing on Illidan has its significant drawbacks. Clear an 8 at the end of the week, and no update to score.
knotty ermine
At the same time though, I've made over 2mil since launch because the economy here actually moves shit, so yay.
tiny sphinx
should be baseline honestly, among many other things
knotty ermine
Bring back shattering throw... Bring back demo shout affecting all dmg done... Bring back skull banner... MWGA
grim prism
I was on pace to almost threechest an AD +6 in a pug group last night and I lost power
mellow bridge
For all tanks I'm 117
grim prism
I just have shit luck irl
grim prism
Yeah
Seriously the smoothest pug group ive ever hadin any expac
My shit died during priestess
knotty ermine
Ouch
cinder pasture
mellow bridge
Dead serves yikes
grim prism
Yeah theyre several thousand on my realm
No lie
I think i might be the only one who collects them lol
Apparently there are only two prots on the whole joint so..
mellow bridge
Lmfao
knotty ermine
G'huun vantus runes still broken?
mellow bridge
Dude you gotta get that rank 1
You know your job
I'm gonna try the same over the weekend
grim prism
Oh there is no chance. #1 is a guy who literally does nothing but play wow
He is a real life NEET
mellow bridge
What's his score
grim prism
Sec
undone sun
@knotty ermine no, they work
hidden perch
Hey guys, hopeing you can help me here. I'm a not a warrior myself and haven't warrior tanked since MoP but trying to understand why our tank is melting. Can anyone advise what the max uptime % of shield block can be in a raid encounter
grim prism
@hidden perch do you have logs
hidden perch
I do indeed
mellow bridge
718? Damn
knotty ermine
Came to Illidan from Kargath. Stuff is a lot more expensive on old server, but stuff actually sells on the new server, so there's that.
old zephyr
hmmm I am getting destroyed by Zul, in uldir, any tips?
grim prism
My friend raided with him and the guy said that he doesnt have a girlfriend because it would get in the way of AP grind
mellow bridge
Jesus
undone sun
not wrong
mellow bridge
Grinding ap 🤣
mellow bridge
I wonder when will blizz change the ap system
grim prism
ML
mellow bridge
Ml seems easy this week
grim prism
Over by 40 min
mellow bridge
Especially after they fixed the trash amount you need
knotty ermine
%uptime, which is trackable, is far less important than effective use uptime, which isn't really trackable. Obviously if he never uses it, sure, there's definitely a problem, but keeping it on CD the entire encounter isn't great either.
grim prism
Also they dont care about happiness they care about revenue
@hidden perch can you LINK those logs big dawg?
mellow bridge
No more getting assblasted by fortified masterminds
Well no revenue to have from people unsubbing
hidden perch
This is our warrior tank on Fetid, 38% Shield Block uptime seems a bit meh to me,
ah sure
plain vapor
is he offtanking or main tanking on fetid
mellow bridge
^
Or are you swapping
Affects uptime a lot
Since you'll pool if you're not tanking
grim prism
Well its a 6 sec buff on a 12 sec cooldown so idk how much more you expect
hidden perch
Main Tanking but he shouldn;t be but if he Offtanks he gets dropped.....leaving our DK that should NOT be taking the Trashes to OT
plain vapor
he should be offtanking 100%
grim prism
Raw block uptime is almost useless for gauginf performance
knotty ermine
What @grim prism said
plain vapor
once 50% hits hell have to rotate some cds in every now and then
grim prism
If we could see the actual logs and not jist snippets of what you think is important, we could be lot more helpful
Just sayin
hidden perch
yer, sorry, give me a sec
knotty ermine
Make sure he's blocking the right shit, at the right time
grim prism
Np
knotty ermine
Which you need to actually dig into the logs for
hidden perch
jut trying to find a log that's not locked
grim prism
Yeah its a lot more complicated than last expac
knotty ermine
Ohh wow, lagging on mobile. Gonna STFU for a bit so we stop repeating each other lol
hidden perch
grim prism
I can tell you offhand he is doubling up shield block with last stand, which is a complete waste
hidden perch
Only one for the last 2 weeks that's not locked, sorry haha
grim prism
And possinly not using LS enough to begin with
Gimme a min to get these opened on mobile
hidden perch
Appreciate the time and insight on this guys. Completely lost touch with Warrior over the last 2 xpacs
grim prism
Yeah its nothing like the last two expacs
mellow bridge
You're not missing out on too much this xpac 
dull ferry
Lingering Sporepods any good after the buff?
scenic briar
I haven't played since MoP. I've been arms, which I intend to stay, but I'm looking at starting to tank some m+. Can anyone direct me to any useful resources specifically aimed at tanking m+?
knotty ermine
I'd make a snarky remark, but my ability to do so was also added to the gcd
scenic briar
Any info about specific dungeons?
mellow bridge
I'd like to ignore this remark but sadly I'm on gcd atm
keen spire
@modern brook I think prot wars should pretty much always tank the shit out of that thrash tbh
hidden perch
Need to jump in a meeting @grim prism you mind mentioning me or DM'in me so i don't miss you response. bak in 15 mins
knotty ermine
Chryus QuestionablyEpiic dungeon tips
modern brook
@scenic briar youtube is your answer to pull gudies on a per-dungeon basis
mellow bridge
I liked the method dungeon guides on YouTube
modern brook
We've been doing warrior (thats me :D) on mt and pally ot
mellow bridge
Tells you the most important shit
modern brook
with the assumption that the pally can aid in topping himself off
mellow bridge
And the rest you can figure out yourself with some XP
grim prism
I'll DM you
modern brook
but I've been reading thats my job lately
scenic briar
Thanks
sinful vortex
anyone have the wa for infested, that shows which mobs have it
sinful vortex
🤔
modern brook
its the big grey bleedy one
modern brook
Uhhhok
knotty ermine
@sinful vortex you using Threat Plates? Pretty obvious with those nameplates too.
knotty ermine
Yikes
mellow bridge
Oh yeah that wa would be great
knotty ermine
Do yourself a favor and download that, lol
hasty slate
Anyone have a good profile for threat plates? I get that its pref but they seemed bulky and cluttered at default.
So ive stuck with blizz
modern brook
for the record i just went to wago.io and searched Weakaura: infested
should other such things pop up for your desires in the future
I dont really get why you need this
mellow bridge
Yea I would've looked myself before doing +10
But since it came up randomly
Good stuff
Just makes it easier to see
modern brook
fair enough
I've only done it in freehold which looked pretty clear
but to each their own
I imagine its harder to see in the darker dungeons
fiery pendant
opinions on heroic zek'voz trinket?
got it at 370, currently using 345 jes' and blockades
modern brook
IIRC the guides say jes is only competitive at near equivalent ilvls
but thats all i can say on the matter
old night
thorn hound
Ignore pain needs a buff
I want to pull way more adds without having to use big boi shield block or last stand
velvet ermine
Whats everyones stand on Prot warriors here so far for bfa?
Because honestly, mine is low so far
thorn hound
Im a prot main and its low for me too haha
velvet ermine
same
Ive been playing prot warrior since i started playing
But it seems bfa really gutted us
thorn hound
Id reroll to blood if they werent so god dam boring
velvet ermine
But with that, any idea what an average prot tank can improve on if hes having a hard time with rage gen in raids?
thorn hound
Just tunnel vision defensive mode, dont rage spend on revenge
Just build rage as much as you can and use ignore pain when its off
Dont stack ignore pain
daring marlin
Prot is great in BFA. You’re both whacky.
thorn hound
Jebaited
prisma crane
I mean. Prot is okay in bfa but it's pretty shit feeling gameplaywise compared to where we've been in the past.
daring marlin
Can’t really compare it to Antorus. 2pc in there was broken.
OVERFLOWING RAGE
SHIELD SLAM FOREVER
robust bronze
Do you guys think Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block trinket 365 with aviodance over darkmoon: fathoms?
sick sentinel
second gearing question of the day, what should I use?
maybe showing my whole stats helps?
grim prism
i think only a sim would answer this one accurately
which we cant do :xx
i would do the haste one because those secondaries add defensive benefit
whereas a proc does not
sick sentinel
that's true
mellow bridge
@velvet ermine look in the pins for the IP tracker
It's a WA
Shows you when it's worth casting a second IP and when you should save rage
Oh and do use revenge if you got the trait
Callous reprisal
If you don't, then yeah don't waste rage in it
sand saffron
Another warrior in my guild keeps suggesting indomitable over bolster and ravager over AM, what are your guys' opinions
mellow bridge
Sounds bad to me
grim prism
Kick him
tranquil lotus
Ravager is the never ever trait
sick sentinel
why is he still in your guild
grim prism
He suggested the only two talents that are unequivocally without purpose
Like in the whole tree
mellow bridge
Bolster makes dmg intake so smooth if you use it properly
And makes it an even better oh shit button
grim prism
Bolster is integral to our core rotation
Not even exaggerating
The spec doesnt work without autoblock on LS as a gapfiller in block uptime
prisma crane
@daring marlin was better in MoP as well, even without vengeance. It's just boring to play now, sure it's more interactive than other tanks, but still boring for someone who's played one forever
grim prism
If I may pry @sand saffron, did he give any reasoning?
sand saffron
Ravager was because a couple adds on mother bugged and we couldn't grab aggro and they ran through the forcefield, and indomitable stemmed because I accepted a brez at a bad time and took a thrash from devourer right in the ass. I tried to explain how 10% hp doesn't make up for the damage I'd take in the SB uptime gaps but he said it could be spot healed, whatever tf that means
undone sun
yikes
grim prism
Taking ravager means giving up anger management, which means almost twice as long between cooldowms
grim prism
Ravager will do damage in am area, sure. But he is killing himself by taking it
sand saffron
Just a guildie
grim prism
And then per indom, youre right, having a bit more HP means nothing when the purpose of prot is mitigating damage via bricktanking
Indom wasnt even taken last expac when it was 25% more HP and 25% bigger IPs
Now it is a measly 10% HP
15k, woo
undone sun
at least not after deva was introduced 😄
grim prism
Thats one melee
We NEED bolster to fill gaps in block uptime
Otherwise youre just getting punched in the face and trying to sponge it with IP, which just isnt going to work
If he needs ranged aggro he can just taunt, or make a heroic throw macro
sand saffron
Believe me, I agree, just wanted to see what y'all thought
grim prism
Yeah youre very very right
glossy bramble
I have a 350 haste/vers ring, for my second do yall think I should use my 340 haste/crit or 340 vers/haste
glossy bramble
240 haste/110 crit vs 227 vers/125 haste
grim prism
@glossy bramble how much haste/crit and how much vers/haste
Because if its a big dicj haste ring then its worth taking
glossy bramble
that was my thinking
grim prism
Maybe* worth taking
glossy bramble
im at 10% crit, 16% haste, 22% mastery, 7% vers
grim prism
No like the actual stats on rings
glossy bramble
already sent, look up
glossy bramble
ah fuck thats my fury percentages mb
grim prism
Ooooh
cinder bridge
what traits do we want for m+? brace for impact?
sick sentinel
grim prism
@glossy bramble the haste/crit one i mean
glossy bramble
for prot im at 11% crit, 18% haste, 23% mast, 6% vers
ight that's the one i was leaning towards
grim prism
Crit still has value defensively remember
Especially in m+
Where you are drowning in melees
grim prism
Not at all
glossy bramble
like 1.3 or something haste down to like 1.0 for crit? something like that
grim prism
I mean we dont have discrete weights
glossy bramble
yeah
grim prism
Because our SimC module is broken
glossy bramble
like, the starting point or whatever weights
grim prism
But yeah, all secondaries are pretty close
distant socket
Ive been struggling big time to stack haste over Ilevel
grim prism
Not worth it this expac
grim prism
Haste over ilvl is not worth it
distant socket
Yeah, Ive come to that conclusion too
old zephyr
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dxQpCLGyRBcbZXj6/#fight=13&playermetric=dps&type=healing
anyone able to tell me why zul is destroying me?
grim prism
Its our best secondary but armor/primaries are far more important
distant socket
Just did Zul an hour ago actually, Ill have a look
hc?
ah, norm
Yeh Bal agreed
old zephyr
I don't take alot of damage from other bosses but zul just destroys me
distant socket
How are you guys handling the debuff ?
glossy bramble
its because he foresaw your defenses
distant socket
The physical damage one that drops blood, cant remember the name
glossy bramble
you should be less predictable so he can't see you in the future
distant socket
/thread
grim prism
Try plugging your controller into the p2 slot
old zephyr
probably bad, we swap when I'm dead mainly
distant socket
Theres your problem ^^
I was switching at 4 stacks, no idea if thats optimal or not but it worked for us
old zephyr
I mean 3 stack is already a lot
sick sentinel
Swap at 2.
old zephyr
Okay we'll try that next time
sick sentinel
Drop at a far edge. Can also call for a pally bop to drop sooner if need.
Long as safe drop edge, zul in middle.
weary notch
will Stoneform drop it?
undone sun
probably
weary notch
I need to remember to try that next time. Didn't even think about it
daring marlin
@prisma crane idk man I’ve played prot since BC and this is head and shoulders above plenty of other expansions.
vast sedge
sinful vortex
vast sedge
just friendly memes
prisma crane
i just posted cuz of the two red books
and that statement is a rule to live by
i played back then, was fairly shit then
and tbh, personally, how things play depends on previous expacs, like BFA is most certainly better feeling than BC if we played BC now, but it's no excuse for how shit it plays compared to what we've now had since, that's my opinion anyways Guil
This just actually feels like a larger step backwards than WoD did from MoP
are tanks better balanced now? i'd say yes
are warriors viable, hell yea
but in a fun state.... obviously subjective, but i personally dont like the updated playstyle
sudden tapir
Absolutely viable. But if you make a mistake on keeping your defensives up.. haha, your healers were remind you 😉
prisma crane
that's been the case for ages though, it's the plight of a proactive tank
sick sentinel
Hey guys :)
I hope u can help me here:
340 with Def.Crash or 370 without?
(i don't have def Crash on another piece)
Imo:
340 for M+ and the 370 for the Raid ? (so, Aoe vs ST tanking)
prisma crane
guide suggests 370, many prefer 340, i'd stick with personal preference
sudden tapir
I get it! As someone who has only played prot ware. But why is it not realised more? ;p
sudden tapir
I didn’t play Legion, so I’m not sure what it was like then
uncut fractal
should I be able to get m+10 done as 360 ilvl w/ pugs?
sick sentinel
okay, ty @prisma crane 😃
I guess i have to find my personal preference now xDD
prisma crane
yea, if you're good about having DS uptime high it may be worth keeping the DC one, but in either case, keep both, you may end up swapping stuff around as you get more items
@uncut fractal you could, yes, but as with pugs, the odds are anywhere from easily to not a chance
sick sentinel
yep, i'll keep them - maybe sth else with Def Crash drops 🤞 😊
prisma crane
yea GL, not many sources really
not above 340 anyways
without RNG weekly chest luck
sick sentinel
yeah i know xD i talked about the "greatness" of it with a guild mate some minutes ago xD
jagged bay
gz!
junior ivy
daring marlin
@vast sedge What I said himges on what he said to me. Ya goof!
only good memes are for honor memes
nerds
mellow bridge
@uncut fractal yeah you can as long as you're patient enough to get a proper group together
@sick sentinel I might be wrong in this but I'd just take the 370
The added stats should outweigh the diff between crash and another trait imho
cerulean crystal
Curious, do you guys take 340 Brace for Impact Chest or a 355 archive of the titans chest?
I'm reading up on how the Reorigination array works and have a feeling it might be better once you have the full stacks of boss kills but idk
prisma crane
at that point go for ilvl
candid cove
Don't we need a couple weeks before worrying about array?
prisma crane
DC is the only reason you'd skip ilvl
candid cove
And yeah ilvl is king
prisma crane
and yea, array isnt going to be great until it gets stronger, per IV guide suggestion
i'd pick ilvl there
cerulean crystal
Doesn't the array work as a stack per boss kill?, or is it a weekly build?
Nevermind, it's like a hidden weekly quest. Got it, 3 boss kills fulfills that stack for the week. 1 stack a week, 3 boss kills.
prisma crane
it works regardless of difficulty right?
cerulean crystal
From what I gather yes, looks like it was balanced around doing the 3 in LFR minimum
Is it okay to post links in here?
prisma crane
yea relevant ones
stoic kite
mellow bridge
Yes for sure
minor pecan
yes
junior ivy
help i forget which weapon enchant prot uses
junior ivy
ty
minor pecan
np
sick sentinel
no haste caps as far I am aware
i will be happy when my SB has a 12 sec CD ( if that is even possible )
junior ivy
what ilvl would i have to be to do +10s ina reasonable amount of time i.e. not 2 hours
sick sentinel
having bloodlust on every pull helps a lot
junior ivy
what ilvl to tank all the bosses in heroic uldir?