Doing Dark Iron Dwarves questline
#protection
dark junco
mild vigil
I have ilvl 355 disc (str, attacks cleave for dps) and ilvl 370 lion's strength (stregnth, activate to uncrease crit).
So I'm never gonna use the Ignore Pain trinket
chilly brook
Literally one of the only reasons I’d consider being alliance
chilly brook
The other one is to be a T H I C C boi human
But let’s be honest
Zandalari troll master race
inland mesa
Hmm maybe I will go with the 370 disc with haste socket over 345 zandalri eith haste proc
mild vigil
Am I stupid, or did anyone else wait with taunting until 3 stacks of Vectis because of outdated beta Fatboss video?
uneven mason
We felt out how much we could take, and decided 3 was a BIT much
but possible
early in the fight 3 was fine
inland mesa
97% parse on vectus the one boss I get to really dps \o/
chilly brook
I don’t like taking extra damage if it’s not on farm
sick sentinel
Hi fellas (sorry of OT), I have a question for you all. Since pre-patch I've read guides and watched YT-videos that Protwarrs are in a bad place, yet I've seen Protwarrs in top guilds doing Heroic Uldir - what gives?
Again, sorry for OT!
inland mesa
Sky is falling we are terrible run for the hills
sinful surge
Hi everyone, quick question about azerite traits. How much of an ilvl difference do we need for it to be worth playing without deafening crash ? Looks like the trait is really mandatory
uneven mason
Dogshit tier tank
inland mesa
30-40 is what I weight it at personally
uneven mason
Kidding @sick sentinel Protection is fine for all content, we're harder to play than other tanks though, we mitigate like gods
grim prism
@sick sentinel wow community are fickle crybabies who like to chase FotM classes and bandwagon popular ideas
inland mesa
Keeping demo up forever at the start of the fight is too valuable
sinful surge
@grim prism I know, i can equip a 370 item over a 340 but I really don't wat to lose my deafening crash
uneven mason
Making a mistake on a BrM - you hit your "Giggle while I purify this dog" macro and continue on, if you make a mistake as a Prot warrior - you'll probably die
sick sentinel
Thx fellas, got me worried there for a sec! 😂 👌
grim prism
TLDR is sco put out a video that ranked all tanks within three points of each other on a 18 point scale, and everybody went WELL IF PROT IS THE LOWEST THEN IT MUST BE SHIT
sinful surge
@grim prism It's really bad that no raid azerite piece gives the trait, be cause we're kind of forced to play with a low ilvl item
mild vigil
"we mitigate like gods". What does this mean exactly? That we take less damage? Do other tanks take more damage, but heal it themselves?
grim prism
Add to this ths fact that prot is harder to play well than other tanks
@mild vigil basically yes
uneven mason
Most folks who made those ranking vids were either - talking about "optimal" tank rankings (not viable) Warriors take the least damage, but we also have the least cheese/tricks/gimmics/utility
grim prism
But they still require more external heals per second on average
uneven mason
Zuule we require less healing overall than any other tank, even counting self healing
The exception to this is - Zul
chilly brook
@inland mesa welcome to the club 😉
uneven mason
We require laser focus by a healer for a few seconds while we deal with his DoT
grim prism
@sinful surge dont lose DC. See if you have another azerite piece you can reforge to make it work... its what i had to do
uneven mason
since its something that hits form assive damage, happens more often than Shield wall - and we cannot generate rage while waiting for it to fall off
sinful surge
@grim prism what do you mean reforge ?
grim prism
Hope you havent been scrapping it (but you can always item restore)
uneven mason
so IP is close to useless for it
mild vigil
I was on Zul, monk wanted to take crawgs and have me on crushers.
"No. crawgs heal on damage dealt. I block damage by blocking it with my shield, you just drink your sorrows away."
sick sentinel
Reason for why I'm asking is that I really want to play tank and Zandalari Trolls when they arrive but I'm torn between the bears and the warrs. But thx again for clarifying guys. Appreciated! 👌
uneven mason
I tank both
mild vigil
@sinful surge You can reset a gear's azerite traits for some gold, at the transmog guys
uneven mason
because Avatar + TC means I tank both
grim prism
If crawgs heal based on damage dealt then we trivialize that mechanic
More than any other tank
chilly brook
^too true Ikar
uneven mason
TBH the monk should be using Dav to just pull the Crawgs and they should die to cleave insanely fast
sinful surge
@mild vigil yes but it doesn't give you new traits, and I don't have another piece with deafening crash on it
grim prism
@sinful surge see if you have an extra 340 azerite piece that has deafening crash available
Oh welp
Then yeah looks like youre not equipping that 370 yet
mild vigil
What's TC?
sinful surge
Looks like it ^^
grim prism
Thundercla0
mild vigil
Oh, thunderclap
sinful surge
Stupid m+ chest 😄
grim prism
Blame blizzard for the gameplay design choices
When a 30 ilvl upgrade is an objective downgrade
mild vigil
I tanked Vectis to 3 stacks because of this outdated Fatboss guide: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/489408387780706336/unknown.png
sinful surge
Oh I do blame them everyday I'm playing my warrior instead of my bdk
mild vigil
(It doesn't spawn omega vector on expiration anymore)
sinful surge
I really love prot warrior, but sometimes the game can be punishing
grim prism
Itll be okay someday
undone sun
Maybe eventually
sinful surge
Like "here you go, please tank zul's dot while you can't mitigate it"
chilly brook
@grim prism I mean ilvl was downgrade in legion sometimes but tbh I think legion had amazing design with secondary stats
chilly brook
I know
grim prism
Lol
dusk locust
yeah i goofed up zul's dot last night and left the boss too early -_-
sat there not generating rage and died
mild vigil
I tanked Ghuun today, it felt really good to spell reflect away the debuff and not having to move to the edge of the room
grim prism
I like what they TRIED TO do
The execution is shit though
And the communication is even worse
mild vigil
Sad that of all the raidbosses in Uldir, it's the only thing that's reflectable
chilly brook
I mean PL is eternally soured for me
undone sun
That's BFA in a nutshell @grim prism
chilly brook
That moment when your enhance shaman gets a 380 SHIELD FROM NORMAL AND CAN’T TRADE THAT SHIT
modern brook
but thats cause im shit at this class
chilly brook
Yea
grim prism
BfA is like an impressionist painting
chilly brook
I’m still salty
modern brook
yeah but why are you looking past m+ and raids?
chilly brook
I don’t have much issue with the content which is what I really play for
I have an issue with the other systems though
Like forced PL
dusk locust
i'm having a blast with the aspects of the game i'm most interested in
dusk locust
m+ is great, i like the raid
grim prism
Because I have no way of targeting my BiS az gear since it drops in dungeons and M+ doesnt drop azerite
dusk locust
i play a ton and there's still tons for me to do that i'm neglecting
modern brook
I honestly think its forgivable that their reach shit has fallen flat on its face
chilly brook
Azerite sucks
chilly brook
Especially this constant grind for grind sake
grim prism
Because they keep miscommunicating things and generally giving the playerbase the Mushroom Treatment
chilly brook
AP on legion weapons didn’t make you lose traits because you put in a higher ilvl artifact or w/e
grim prism
I liked azerite better at first because it offers more choice than arti weps
modern brook
R E L I C S
grim prism
But now it seems a combination of the worst parts of artifacts and legendaries
modern brook
I disagree
its literally relics with a time gate system
the problems the time gate system
as its always been
grim prism
Your BiS azerite is like a 5% drop chance from M+ chest (assuming the drop rates are equal)
Cant be targeted
chilly brook
@grim prism it’s just a defensive response to the “problems” with legions systems
modern brook
give it ~5 months and it wont matter
uneven mason
Its relics if relics only dropped from your M+ cache
grim prism
So it is leggo lottery
uneven mason
dogc unless they nerf DC
grim prism
Combined with the permagrind of artifacts
Which is great for generatinf recurrent income
uneven mason
in 5months we'll literally just be hoping to get an item level 415 DC piece rather than a 385
uncut fractal
when pulling trash, what's priority 1st SB or IP?
grim prism
But feels like shit when you get a 30 ilvl upgrade and it is obiectively worse than what you have on
grim prism
The dungeons are fun
plain ice
i'd pay good money to have like an hour of time to sit down and have an open and honest convo with the lead devs face to face
grim prism
The game systems are pants-on-head retarded
uneven mason
Balsaq I was fury for a lot of ABT - nothing like getting 960+ gloves and having them sim lower than my 915 LFR tier pieces
grim prism
They dont care what players want, they care about recidivism
chilly brook
I mean I got a helmet last night that I’m not using because it’s a 15 ilvl upgrade but I lose DC
😑
modern brook
I just dont see those complaints as being BFA specific
Fury was using 860 CoF's into ABT
daring marlin
yeah dude DC is annoying as fuck
chilly brook
@modern brook have you seen Preach’s video because they really are
fleet ridge
@plain ice I wonder why they don't do sitdowns with players. Normal players; not Method players
modern brook
ilvl has never been representative of an upgrade
chilly brook
I wouldn’t be able to do this without it
fleet ridge
I think you have linked this 10 times today Griff
chilly brook
😂
small plume
xD
fleet ridge
cheer down bud cheer down
chilly brook
It’s relevant
grim prism
Why shadownerf drop rates for M+ caches? To offset the fact that they were forced to make azerite tradeable. Same reason they tried to kill masterloot. They are padding tier length via RNG
grim prism
Places were reporting for MONTHS what the drop rates were on weekly caches based on PTR
plain ice
bring back ghostcrawler 🙃
grim prism
Blizz couldve said at any time that this isnt how it will be in live
dark junco
^
grim prism
But they dont care about the community
chilly brook
Undocumented changes suck
modern brook
M+ drop rates != ilvl not being an upgrade
grim prism
They care about money
chilly brook
Apparently they changed g’huun without letting anyone know
dark junco
Preach was so on point with his tweet about it
grim prism
Which is fine, they are a business
daring marlin
I love DC. I don’t love how rare it is.
daring marlin
M+ should just fucking DROP AZERITE ARMOR.
plain ice
which video/tweet is this?
chilly brook
@daring marlin I don’t think anyone disagrees
dark junco
2 sec
modern brook
IS DC rare?
daring marlin
Incredibly.
modern brook
I have a 340 in each slot and a 370 helm iirc
chilly brook
I literally open up my loot table when I walk into a dungeon and cry when I realize the fact that I can’t get azerite gear
grim prism
But here's the deal. If I'm paying you a monthly sub fee to play your game, I want a game that makes sense, is up to date, and works as intended
So far none of those things have been true as a blanket statement
grim prism
Add in dogshit-tier communication and Ion's pussyfooting around with the playerbase
chilly brook
Ion is an idiot
dark junco
Nah
quasi bay
How are you guys handling some of the higher keys in mythic plus in regards to pulling larger packs and kiting whilst keeping threat? I find our team usually doesn't make the timer by only a few mins. Trying to find ways to improve on my end
dark junco
He straight up said it
chilly brook
“I was a hardcore raider” proceeds to try and sell us changes that don’t affect anyone except the hardcore raiders and makes their experience worse
dark junco
That they wanted to be more generous
Then proceed to implement 1 loot, again, just like legion
1 > 1
gg
chilly brook
I haven’t looked at the forums yet
I wonder how many threads there are about how bad the azerite gear not being available in m+ t
uneven mason
@quasi bay Hunters and Rogues go a long way, Crackling Thunder lets you Thunderclap outside of melee range.
grim prism
No masterloot (which prog guilds still do, it's just more work now), undocumented changes, lack of communication, OBVIOUSLY broken mechanics (my friend still got a +15 key this week as a result of trying to run his +16 last week), and general lack of understanding of their own systems and how they will be interpreted by the playerbase
Face it man, wow is not a quality game anymore.
junior ivy
i got a +19 this week lol
inland mesa
Oh god loot last night was a nightmare trying to trade it all around
dark junco
Yeah its not quality like it used to be
grim prism
They could power their servers with the energy of Chris Metzen rolling in his proverbial grave
dark junco
I feel like a mobile game mmo now
modern brook
oh thanks for reminding me
grim prism
Same profitability framework
grim prism
Timegated, easily-consumed content on permagrind
quasi bay
@uneven mason thanks. I usually run with those classes so will ask them to do it more often. My gear isn't exactly stat optimised (lots of haste but too much crit) so I tend to get messed up if I try to tank large groups
modern brook
I just think the community is over reacting to a lot of stuff
grim prism
Wow is less of an RPG, and more of a slot machine that you pay for with hours instead of dollars,
inland mesa
You inspire me @chilly brook
modern brook
and it has the side effect of drowning out what actually matters
grim prism
Like having your devs do QA checking before launch?
grim prism
I dont enjoy playing Agile Development: The Game
modern brook
No; but i can tell you which ones i dont care about
dark junco
^
inland mesa
Now to convince my cotank to ooze soak and let me tank mother XD
uneven mason
The raid fights are fantastic
I think
That folks are just obsessed with min maxing
hot locust
They are buggy and broken as fuck on mythic.
grim prism
I like running dungeons; sure wish I could get the loot I want from them but the only way is a pissant drop chance in my weekly chest
hot locust
Mother and fetid are a fucking shit show.
chilly brook
@grim prism I’m interested in how the prog guilds are still doing ML
hot locust
They should be bugged?
What?
inland mesa
Mother still laser bugged @hot locust?
chilly brook
I mean what do you expect when they don’t do Mythic testing
hot locust
I dunno I killed it last night Chew
uneven mason
and not Ion's roomates counsins nephews 7th grade classmades
chilly brook
I mean we saw the same issues with ToS
hot locust
even with the bug
grim prism
And wtf is up with rewards? My other friend didnt even get a key this week. I saw a screenshot of a guy that got an azerite piece with no traits on it. Ilvl rewards are nothing like what the community was led to expect
dark junco
They're making content they can't even clear. They should have Mario makers requirements: can we clar it if we're actual mythic raiders ? yes ? alright
inland mesa
Anything tradeable you give up to loot council @chilly brook
dark junco
Tune it up 5-10% and call it quit
dark junco
Thats the closest to
grim prism
And when someone opened a ticket to ask why he didnt get the loot he expected, the GM said "i'm not allowed to tell you more, but it's working as intended"
inland mesa
We heard it was bugged and went and did heroic XD. @hot locust
hot locust
I mean the fight is a joke and super easy
grim prism
BFA QA is nonexistent and the systems are halfbaked
dark junco
its numbers and mechanics that are off
chilly brook
I’m not bothering grinding AP tbh
dark junco
like mothers invisible lasers
hot locust
the bug will just cause you to wipe for a while even though you are ready to kill it
inland mesa
And then instead of 1 nighting it played let's touch each other with corruption
dark junco
And fethid numbers being absurd
chilly brook
Anyone else remembering Mythic KJ?
inland mesa
We only swap if the tank gets corruptuon @junior ivy
chilly brook
Wadu
inland mesa
5 to 8
inland mesa
I was taking all the corruptions so the bear sat there soon it was off I came back in taunted and it was about time for it
chilly brook
If you all live to 10 stacks and have no issues I wanna know what you’re doin
junior ivy
anything else is hould know?
inland mesa
10 on normal may be ok, 10 on heroic was making me pucker
Cotank is having health problems and has been a bit off, so I've had to find ways
junior ivy
are there any other mechanics i should lknow about?
sick sentinel
TF that shit come on.
inland mesa
Spell reflect corruptuon ever other so you don't have to run out. Depends how you do blood feast adds, p3 turn away from fear...Heroic dodge red boils
WHAT
uneven mason
Patchnotes
chilly brook
Really they “fixed” that? @uneven mason
uneven mason
"fixed"
chilly brook
How is that even broken.....
inland mesa
That's absurd, so anyone that got some dumb 385 or higher stuff is at an advantage >.>
chilly brook
RiP
uneven mason
I mean, you can do a +10 and have a chance at a 390
inland mesa
Is 10 base 390? Or base 380
chilly brook
That’s even more salt in the wound for me with our enhance shammy getting a 380 vector deflector from normal
uneven mason
Lets be honest here tho Chewtoy - no prot warrior got a TF shield
inland mesa
Guess I'm doing 10s this week
uneven mason
it was all elemental fucking shaman
chilly brook
I can attest to this
sick sentinel
Yeah, I'm just fishing warfronts for TF till my mythic+ team comes on @uneven mason
dark junco
Rei
sick sentinel
Good for scrap farming if nothing else
sick sentinel
15-30min games for a 340 piece and/or ap 150
inland mesa
I still do WQ for the 105 expulsom I still need D:
sick sentinel
Same
All my reps done besides turtles and talanji.
So I just do gear and AP wqs now
junior ivy
how do you guys stay alive during last boss of kings rest?
clear sapphire
Who grinds AP now?
inland mesa
Those island expedition mounts won't get themselves ;)
plain ice
what part of that boss are you having a problem with? @junior ivy
inland silo
Shield block less
junior ivy
hm like just in general last night i was dying over and over
inland silo
There’s lots of times where he’s jumping around or casting
chilly brook
Hit an ilvl upgrade but hey you can’t access your trait
junior ivy
iu dunno what he was doing but dbm would say outloud 'use defensive'
inland mesa
It's artificially gated at like 1 rank a week now
inland silo
You absolutely need SB up for combo
plain ice
^^^
dark junco
^^^^^^
true hazel
Vvvvv
inland mesa
CD run through arrows stand there and win
junior ivy
i dont always have sb available
😦
i tried to., ugh that boss is hard
eventually he died. somehow
but we wiped like 6 times
inland mesa
Magic
dark junco
yeah well tyranical is bound to be a pita
plain ice
are you spamming shield block?
junior ivy
it was a +10 too
inland mesa
You should be able to face tank some normal hits from him to get sb up for each combo
inland silo
You gotta sb less like I said. He’s honestly just jumping around a lot and doing everything else but hitting you
plain ice
also, if you tank him in the back right corner, you don't have to move for the arrows that fall from the ceiling once they start rotating around the room
inland mesa
Lol really?
inland silo
So just pressing sb mindlessly will get you killed. You have lots of time to save charges
sick sentinel
@junior ivy last boss kings rest pretty fucking easy. Easier than Zul, anyway. :p
inland mesa
367 what in the holy hell
calm whale
Jesus
uneven mason
Meh, crit shield
uneven mason
MEH
uneven mason
M E E E HHHH
sick sentinel
Leap through spears, shield block combo, prior kill raptor.
inland mesa
Look at that 120 arms warrior with that shield ;)
uneven mason
GREENJELLY
raven kernel
dark junco
damn
sick sentinel
Yeh
sick sentinel
Wish my RL schedule let me raid. :(
inland mesa
Have you just gotten lucky with drops or hard grinded m+ @raven kernel
raven kernel
SHIELD BLOCK UPTIME
sick sentinel
Only time for mythic+ or pvp
uneven mason
If you have time for M+ you have time for raiding
raven kernel
most of my gear is from heroic and pvp
sick sentinel
Miss progression raiding life
uneven mason
literally full clear Uldir in 2 hours a night.
raven kernel
heroic raid*
uneven mason
my guild is taking it easy at first ><
inland mesa
About two clears and I've gotten 1 piece of heroic gear :-/
uneven mason
2 teams and they don't want to "unbalance them"
so we're not allowed to rush ahead through Heroic to mythic...feels like an anchor a bit
which is fine
since you know
Prot war
at least I got a slot
grim prism
And Ion wants to fill your slot
inland mesa
You'll be ready in time for their bug fixes XD
grim prism
With +25 ilvl downgrades
sick sentinel
:|
grim prism
Tfw it literally hurts prot wars more than any other spec in the game
Tfw no dank 385s
sick sentinel
Basically.
grim prism
Tfw IP
sick sentinel
Most gear dependent tank class.
grim prism
Block rarting is far and away the most scalable aspect of our defense
sick sentinel
Probably truth be told blizzard's 'justification ' of how prot is balanced.
chilly brook
uneven mason
Is that for farm we're fantastic?
grim prism
Healer specs ideally wont need to block, and SotR is an armor increase unrelated to block rating
hot locust
It's also so nice that it scales down the higher difficulty content you do..... /s
grim prism
See above
sick sentinel
Pretty imba.
fresh dragon
QUESTION: im wiping @ TOL DAGOR M+0(ZERO)
sick sentinel
I wish shield slam scaled to AP and the block.
fresh dragon
coz the 3 capitains are ALL ENEMY
uneven mason
wat
sick sentinel
Wat
fresh dragon
we speak with all VULPIN
neat sphinx
Hi, do you know a sheet or a websote to calcute stats weight for tank spec ? And AMR is a good website ?
inland silo
Do you mean freehold
grim prism
@neat sphinx pinned icyveins guide, and no
sick sentinel
Freehold.
fresh dragon
freehold
grim prism
There are no explicit stat weights for prot, just a stat prio
fresh dragon
ye
uneven mason
@neat sphinx Warriors use stat priority
neat sphinx
ok 😃 ty
uneven mason
remove pawn from your machine!
BURN IT
fresh dragon
ok so .... any tips? its a bug??
daring marlin
I finally upgraded my 325 shield last night with a 360 vector.
junior ivy
my cotank in this ghuun normal has an ilvl of 361!1
raven kernel
if ur watching method wipe on fetid right now
fleet ridge
Rei, how much are you blocking for now?
daring marlin
rip haste but goddamn
daring marlin
Now I’m 361 loil
raven kernel
their healers literally bleeding mana to keep them up
fleet ridge
they have 3 healers; which is funny
fleet ridge
Yep
prisma crane
i dont think you meant vectus
dusky sentinel
How are prot warriors now? As a healer I feel like shield block is a damn nice AM.
chilly brook
@junior ivy I’m 359
raven kernel
it is
uneven mason
We're grand
chilly brook
/shrug.
junior ivy
jealous
dusky sentinel
DH`s on fetid is just getting blasted 😛 Which i have to admitt... I kinda like
raven kernel
if you want to meterwhore you hate us though
junior ivy
im 354 equipped, 356 in bags
uncut fractal
can you enchant shield?
modern brook
Reddit says we're bad and DK's are laughing at us
chilly brook
@dusky sentinel just peachy
modern brook
otherwise pokay
chilly brook
Loving my prot warrior
steel mauve
Which shields and off hands were specifically targetted by that TF change?
chilly brook
All of them
modern brook
things held in the off hand
dusky sentinel
but for real. yeah. dks can have their m+ status. But overall. Having a tank that survive hits is what i love.
modern brook
I'm p sure DK's are still BIS for m+
grim prism
Please start telling your friends that prot is good @dusky sentinel
steel mauve
It specifically states some shields and off hands though, not all
modern brook
Oh nvm read your comment wrong
grim prism
I'm getting declined from +4s at 352
modern brook
lol
uneven mason
Paladins bring more to the table by far than BDK (and really all BDK had was Gorefiends
chilly brook
Not having consumption group leech is a huge loss
vocal nimbus
Their strongest point i noticed while playing mine is the 90% slow
uneven mason
Balsaq that's because you're mean
vocal nimbus
But without necrotic that slow isnt as necessary
chilly brook
Just barely missed the freehold timer on a 9 last night
Too many people died on sharkboi
3 manned it
modern brook
We skipped the first zone and took the worlds babiest pulls
chilly brook
Without a healer
grim prism
@uneven mason they dont know im mean though, i dont put comments in the app
And im not mean, im blunt
slim verge
I've been a tank for a long time. I've never been a "main spec dps" until this expansion. I've never had to worry about simming. I use Pawn, and simc to get accurate sims and and stat weights with raid bots. I've noticed that my simed DPS seems to typically be significantly lower than my other guildies with similar (or even less) ilvl than me. As far as I know I'm using the best gear (stats wise, not ilvl wise) available to me. So what am I doing wrong? Is it possible that I've just not getting gear with good stats on it?
This was my most recent sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9iSoKoDir4z2rvXD5jLgMv
grim prism
@slim verge simc doesnt work for prot
ebon torrent
What do yall think about where prot warriors are right now, im enjoying myself for the most part
grim prism
The module is broken on the backend
modern brook
thats all that matters man
slim verge
@grim prism you didn't read what I said.
grim prism
I sure fucking did, guy.
chilly brook
But it doesn’t look bad to me
slim verge
oh that's my fault I thought I was
grim prism
You didnt read the channel name lol
signal plover
Is your 2h low ilvl?
chilly brook
When people try to say that a Shield is a weapon
prisma crane
mistakes happen
modern brook
Shield slam 🤔
grim prism
@chilly brook worse
signal plover
A shield is a weapon tho
grim prism
Its an offhand
chilly brook
It’s always been classified as armor
modern brook
we're warriors
chilly brook
@signal plover
modern brook
everythings a weapon
slim verge
If a shield isn't a weapon, then why can't I cast devastate without a shield
grim prism
chilly brook
Because blizz made stupid requirements with legion 🤔
grim prism
Dont worry though
chilly brook
Regardless it’s classified as armor, had armor on it
Must be armor
I can Slam someone with a helmet
grim prism
If you didnt get a TF shield prior to this week you can always just go kill mythic Vectis
No biggie right
chilly brook
Doesn’t make it not armor
modern brook
Yeah but thats a weapon
signal plover
Doesn't make it not a weapon
modern brook
You're just now also an engineer
slim verge
Is discord a weapon?
chilly brook
This TF “bug fix” is retarded
grim prism
This one might be @slim verge
modern brook
Discord Slam hasnt been moved to beta yet theo
signal plover
Oh fair
grim prism
Its be nice if we could get some weaponized autism to address that opensource SimC module
steel mauve
Well bfa weapons cant TF either, so if it was considered a weapon then thats in that classification
grim prism
But war no think only smash
junior ivy
so im in a ghuun normal pug and
just found out the leader is selling a carry
now i kinda wanan leave
steel mauve
Technically when we all got artifact weapons and it was comboed in with it i think
grim prism
I mean
modern brook
nah
grim prism
Why not?
modern brook
you cant mog the shield
you have to mog the 1h and it mogs the shield as apart of it
junior ivy
casue i dont get any gold from it 😦
modern brook
-> shield not a weapon in legion
chilly brook
That was explained as a limitation of the artifact system
modern brook
was that limitation "something something affects weapons?"
chilly brook
Not as a reclassification of shields
grim prism
LOL
junior ivy
telling us not to pull til he finds a buyer
modern brook
what a man
grim prism
Is the group full?
junior ivy
we are 2/6/19
grim prism
Pull it
modern brook
^
final mist
While an impressive display of confidence, fuck that guy.
modern brook
worse to worse u get kicked
grim prism
Getting kicked from a shitter group by a guy selling normal pugs is a valiant use of time tbh
grim prism
I would absolutely pull iy
junior ivy
people are like 'let us pull man people are leaving' and hes like 'lsiten ive spent 700k on consumables alst week we are not pulling'
modern brook
:heroic throw:
grim prism
Be the people's hero
I mean who buys a normal carry in the first place?
Is that a thing?
Irrelevant anyway. That guy is a dick and you should pull.
steel mauve
Ive seen people in trade on malganis trying to sell normal ghuuns
junior ivy
I PULLED
modern brook
yeah its not a question of supply but of demand
junior ivy
I MUTED DISCORD CAUSE IM SCARED
steel mauve
Advertising for it any ways
grim prism
Were they trying to sell them from a pug group though 🤣
@junior ivy I FUCKING LOVE YOU NEVER CHANGE
steel mauve
Doubt that, thats kinda dumb
Trying to sell a pug group full of people you never met
modern brook
ppl's champ
inland mesa
Fight the power
grim prism
"I spent 700k on consumables for this" kek
Better start selling something bigger than normal pugs
steel mauve
What happens when you get a buyer, take their money, and then wipe 2 dozen times because people suck
grim prism
That's Trump-tier sheisty
modern brook
who cares u have their money
junior ivy
its gonan be a wipe but idc
thin raven
Guys, are we getting buffed ever? :(
junior ivy
im leaving after we wipe
modern brook
we're already buff
chilly brook
We
grim prism
@thin raven not this patch nope
modern brook
we're warriors
grim prism
@junior ivy you did the right thing and I'm proud to have you as an internet acquaintance
modern brook
Agreed
chilly brook
@junior ivy you’re the hero we need
grim prism
Honestly i personally would spam pull until the group crumbles
Just to make that guy's "job" harder
chilly brook
I’d just talk them into giving me a cut
grim prism
But i guess we've already established that I'm mean
junior ivy
it was a wipe, and i left
chilly brook
And wipe it and then leave
junior ivy
screw that group
modern brook
Copy Paste the whisper plz
grim prism
^
junior ivy
he hasnt whispered me or anything
apparently a bunch of them left and are forming their own group now 😄
yay
modern brook
My faith in warlocks is too low for me to not just assume he's in a thesaurus trying to find big boy words to yell at you with
junior ivy
like who does that? who joins a pug and demands everyone wait til he finds a buyer before we pull?!
modern brook
someone who spent 700k on consumables
junior ivy
lool how can you even spend that much
chilly brook
My reaction is absolutely
junior ivy
id replace 345 with 370 tbh
chilly brook
Haste is BiS but the other stats are close and the extra stam is nice
Haste isn’t worth 25ilvls even on rings
junior ivy
^
sick sentinel
well rings have no str though
chilly brook
No but you gain a lot of stamina
modern brook
They do have stamina though, which is what he's arguing
chilly brook
IP scales on stam as well
Your secondary stats are close enough together you’ll have a net gain in survivability
And yes that even includes from crit
hot locust
IP does not scale with stam in any way
chilly brook
Uhhhhh
grim prism
No question whatsoever
chilly brook
Stam=hp
chilly brook
IP=health scaling does it not to some degree?
grim prism
IP is purely based on attack power
grim prism
Its why we flask str instead of stam
chilly brook
It’s still a net gain
stark sage
@sick sentinel defensively i would say a socket on a ring is worth 5-10max
elder isle
what are ur thoughts on Xalzaix's Veiled Eye trinket from mythrax ? is it viable ?
sick sentinel
ok thanks guys
cinder nova
Balsaq and armor
I use blood rage when I need to increase the value per use
Defensively, but not often
modern brook
I just use it in avatar so i can out DPS my DPS
chilly brook
Already admitted I was wrong
grim prism
Not you
chilly brook
continue to tell me I’m wrong
grim prism
Swole
restive mauve
uneven mason
Griff, you're wrong
chilly brook
He’s talking about the gain of strength
uneven mason
Balsaq is mean
Ikari only plays prot so he can complain about playing the harder spec
grim prism
Theres a passive in there somewhere related to attack power, but it is completely irrelevant in this case
uneven mason
glad we've all got introductions done
chilly brook
I’m just a dumb boi
grim prism
Rings dont have str OR armor on them
chilly brook
That’s why I play warrior
Again he was saying that we flask strength for armor as well
uneven mason
@elder isle it depends what other trinkets you have
Well, I mean, I use str flask for armor, and ap
chilly brook
Because strength goes to armor does it not with Vanguard? Or w/e that passive is
uneven mason
since that is the 2 primary ways we increase our EHP
grim prism
I misunderstood
chilly brook
Yes
uneven mason
Yeah
sick sentinel
We also feast for strength.
chilly brook
Always flask main stat
sick sentinel
🤔
grim prism
@sick sentinel yeah we are in agreement there
chilly brook
Yes
cinder nova
Str provides armor, balsaq
uneven mason
TFW ou have to spec arms to get feast/flask done right
grim prism
Yeah i misunderstoof you, sorry
cinder nova
IP isn't the only reason we str flask
sick sentinel
Strength provides life.
grim prism
I thought you were saying IP scales off armor
modern brook
DABU
uneven mason
#Garroshdidnothingwrong
sick sentinel
Zug is life.
chilly brook
#Sylvanasdidnothingwrong
sick sentinel
Zug for the Zug God.
cinder nova
no IP is only attack power, that's why I was talking about blood rage, because it provides attack power which is technically a survivability boost
modern brook
on the topic of horde being better
sick sentinel
And the Zug Empire.
grim prism
#catfrienddidnothingwrong
modern brook
How bout them allies getting screwed out of warzones
modern brook
that was my reaction lol
uneven mason
1 month cycle on content that will be 100% outdated by the time the other side gets access to it ++++ Professional level design
chilly brook
And they can farm as much 370 loot as they want in m+
modern brook
gearing alts kinda sucks but they;re alts for a reason
grim prism
My alli coworker wont shut the fuck up about it
cinder nova
Tell your co-worker he's a cuck
grim prism
Until another alli friend told him that the AP gains from contribution for alli will be better because of AK
chilly brook
Tell him to git gud and run +10s
cinder nova
I bet he doesn't even have War mode on
sick sentinel
I like warfronts. Only in that I can afk spam them for TF fishing and scrap farm for expulsom
chilly brook
That’s his problem then
sick sentinel
But that's it.
sick sentinel
Good time waster. Better than islands.
chilly brook
I like Warfronts as a concept
modern brook
real talk the only bad part of warfronts and dying is the aboslute dog shit positioning of graveyards
grim prism
I like BfA as a concept...
chilly brook
But they’d actually be fun if they had more difficulty and YOU did more
grim prism
😬
modern brook
i meant warmode but sure warfronts too if u manage to die
chilly brook
Instead of having NPCs do it
sick sentinel
😬
cinder nova
I agree that war funds are too easy, a coordinated five-man group could have the time of War Front takes on their own
undone sun
i turned warmode off once i got pathfinder
grim prism
getting pathfinder
cinder nova
Thyme yike
grim prism
The cycle of life can be cruel
chilly brook
I mean there’s only 2 things I don’t like about BFA 1) loot changes 2) azerite system
And those two are intertwined
cinder nova
My Reed Group expects us to do a full Mythic clear and 10 key
cinder nova
M0 and a 10
undone sun
that's a big yikes
grim prism
Why even bother
stark sage
gotta get that azerite gear
modern brook
can u do WQ in M+ yet/
cinder nova
They want one +10 and at least a 0 of every other Mythic
modern brook
rip life is pain
chilly brook
I mean here’s the thing regarding Warfronts I can take them or leave them they’re just meh. Don’t really affect me in the slightest outside of a free 370
cinder nova
Meaning you can be lazy and nokey it, but you should probably at least 4key it
grim prism
@cinder nova tell them you'll do zero of evert other mythic, just as they asked
cinder nova
omegalul
stark sage
well that makes a bit more sense, you should aim to do every dungeon to familiarize the pulls
cinder nova
I'll do it while I cap IP
grim prism
Make sure you equip your armor rings
modern brook
@chilly brook thats what I was talking about before. Like on the scale of shit that needs to be fixed, warfronts being baby-mode easy and expeditions being boring as all hell are at the bottom of the list
undone sun
m0 wont familiarize it, it's completely different from keys
modern brook
there are actually LARGE problems with the game that are getting drowned in the noise of "all this isnt good either"
cinder nova
I'll be honest fortified has made me paranoid of every pull
stark sage
atleast 0, right but the idea is that you would be pushing ~5-10 in every dungeon
cinder nova
Tyrannical is x1000 easier
chilly brook
Honestly fix loot issues and get rid of this stupid azerite can’t be farmed from m+ crap and we’re good
grim prism
Doing M0 to practice M+ is like doing LFR to practice heroic
chilly brook
Oh and stop ratcheting up the stupid fucking azerite power required for gear
modern brook
^ yeah thats dumb
grim prism
And i agree, i am lovint tyran week
chilly brook
Should be a flat amount
Outside of that I’m a happy boi
Like let’s face it we didn’t buy BFA for Warfronts
sick sentinel
Lol
chilly brook
Just like we didn’t buy Legion for Suramar
grim prism
I think my coworker did
modern brook
yeah im saying. Like I wont pretend that blizzard hit the mark for anything they've been putting out
but I dont care about warfronts being easy or m+ chests* still only giving 1 loot
chilly brook
I mean raid encounters hit the mark for me outside of tuning
M+ is great if they’d fix some of the bugs
grim prism
Tuning is pretty important tho
chilly brook
cough infested mobs walking through walls cough
modern brook
Specs should be finished already
chilly brook
What’s new they’re never finished
modern brook
like lets adress those shits and then we can start working on making warfronts intersting
chilly brook
7.1 would like a word
grim prism
Yeah maybe THAT will be their blizzcon keynote
Instead of allied races
They are finally implementing shadow priests
chilly brook
I mean gib zandalari trolls forget shadow
modern brook
I did m+ with my Spriest last night
modern brook
I consistently out DPs'd him by magnitudes
i get Spriests arent the best m+ class
but
chilly brook
I find it funny that they spent all that time reworking Demo but then nerfed it into the ground before release
And now it’s not worth playing
modern brook
wouldnt want warlocks to play anything besides affliction
grim prism
Oops better nerf darkglare and pandemic and deathbolt all within a week
stark sage
bring back mop/wod demo
grim prism
Right
thin mortar
warlock pets should be targetable by DH, just sayin
prisma crane
bring back MoP tanking, kthxbye
thin mortar
bring back 1.7 prot
modern brook
i want to remove pants to improve survivability plz
grim prism
Fortunatelt I missed the permabubble faceroll paradigm that has these casuals QQing about GCDlocking
EVERY TANK GOT GCD CHANGES ITS FINE
chilly brook
So real talk anyone else looking at single target damage performance between prot warrior and other tanks?
grim prism
Yeah, we suck at it
thin mortar
I like the gcd change, it makes you think more... I do hate ignore pain on it though
modern brook
I only look at AoE
grim prism
Not so much that we lose aggro
chilly brook
Yea 😢
raven kernel
blood feast
chilly brook
I mean we could certainly use some extra pushes in the ST DPS category
modern brook
Ignore pain being 50% AND on the global kills is my problem
uncut fractal
you get into red pool
junior ivy
waht red pool
chilly brook
I mean I get it TC hits like a truck buuuuuutttttt
junior ivy
ohh
uncut fractal
you stand in it
chilly brook
grim prism
Yeah IP on global is fine with me, its the tuning that makes it feel like shit
chilly brook
Should this really be the case?
modern brook
I have such a hard time maintaining IP through raid damage when im active tank
grim prism
We dont have a real spender
chilly brook
Should we really be doing almost 40% of our single target damage with TC?
grim prism
Because rev is too inconsistent (tfw you start to dislike freecasts) and IP is tuned like shit so you pretty regularly have to waste a cast solely for the sake of Am
modern brook
Rev?
chilly brook
Revenge
modern brook
oh god im dumb
grim prism
I mean dont get me wrong I enjoy the spec
Thats just the one gripe i'll pick about it
chilly brook
I’m having a blast just have some small gripes
modern brook
i think thats Prot in a nutshell
grim prism
IP changes left us without a good spender
chilly brook
We don’t feel like we’re in line in terms of single target output
modern brook
the overallfeel of the class is solid, but theres small shit that is annoying to deal with
grim prism
I'm fine with pulling 4.5k ST
chilly brook
I mean I feel like a god amongst men in terms of mitigation
modern brook
@grim prism that too. I'm either flooding mana or starving
grim prism
The hilarious AoE makes up for it imo
modern brook
^also agreed
uneven mason
mana 🤔
grim prism
War no think
modern brook
My main stat is int
modern brook
Arcane intolerance
chilly brook
Lol
junior ivy
ghuun is scary
chilly brook
Yes yes he is
modern brook
he's a big slug cat
chilly brook
It’s a good thing you have block! Ecksdee
tidal quarry
Syringe Trinket from Vectis any good? maybe good for M+?
grim prism
@daring marlin for how long tho
modern brook
With the small raid-size change to vectis is the strategy any different?
or are you still just stacking everything
grim prism
Well you are well above average @daring marlin
merry cave
haha wathcing that +15 in time is pretty legit, pally seems real strong atm
grim prism
Most prots are pulling about 5k sustained
daring marlin
I might try some more damagey trinkets. Rolling with a 365 Rezans and blockades. Doubtful I even need the extra passive 350ish stam.
BUT TRINKETS NEVER DROP SO REEEEEEE
daring marlin
Atal Dazar is fun af this week.
grim prism
Ataldazar is fun af any week
But yes
I agree
So easy to clear and it drops like five BiS items for prot
daring marlin
Any week with skittish is fun, tbh.
merry cave
Gah this stupid vod makes me wannna level my pally next lol XD
grim prism
Oh no, what am I gonna do? [tclaps] Wow that was close
plain ice
@merry cave divinefield's +15?
merry cave
Indeed that one
keen spire
@daring marlin How are you pulling such high ST dps?