Inspiring Presence healed everyone BUT us
#protection
weary notch
static pilot
good to know, my bad then
grim prism
Saying we lack heals is solo content is patently retarded
static pilot
solo content? 2 mill bosses in Arathi
brazen sequoia
Any suggestions for m+? Shield Block on CD, keep up Ignore Pain, what about exess rage, should I save it or use it on Revenge?
frosty wedge
IP
stark wraith
Only use block on mobs that melee
fleet ridge
doing a 2M boss in arathi is tough; at least in my gear level; I can live longer as fury; then as prot
static pilot
if you're getting trucked focus IP, burn rage to refresh if needed. If damage intake is all right go with Revenge
frosty wedge
if you're dying
grim prism
Dont solo a boss with 2m HP as a tank? Lol
fleet ridge
with any other tank; you can heal to stay alive
stark wraith
That cuts out half the packs in m+
exotic spoke
Kudaku I was able to solo most of those. I just pulled the trash mobs next to them that aren't elite and used that for Victory Rushes. Also Last stand Plus Space goat
static pilot
why not? You can easily do it as the other tanks?
a 305 blood DK could handle it just fine
fleet ridge
having to pull another mob is stupid though
static pilot
^
grim prism
Playing wow is stupid
static pilot
our self-healing shouldnt be dependent on nearby critters
grim prism
Whats your point
static pilot
and it definitely shouldnt go down when you pair up with a buddy and he takes your killing blows
exotic spoke
Maybe this is a bit too sarcastic... But are you insinuating that classes should play differently?
Then its not solo content is it?
grim prism
Gottem
static pilot
__<
fleet ridge
good one -_-
static pilot
show me one other tank that gets LESS tanky because he has company
uneven mason
Show me one that does?
fleet ridge
if I come off as complaning, I don't mean to, I'm more just trying to discuss the current situation
static pilot
---> Warrior <---
uneven mason
I'm not really sure what you mean??
I mean, this concept that any tank can heal through damage needs to get adjusted
exotic spoke
Reach, I don't think any one here will disagree that we need a little extra oomph.
grim prism
Something something warrior needs spellwarding and deathstrike or it is literal trash
exotic spoke
But I don't think we're in a bad spot
static pilot
solo content, pull 10 mobs - take 30% health before first one dies, then cycle victory rush to heal yourself back up to full
fleet ridge
I think we are okay; I dont think we are in a bad spot at all
uneven mason
Like, BDK are not healing themselves back to full with Death Strike
static pilot
duo content, pull 10 mobs with a DH. Take 20% health before they all die, but since you didnt get any killing blows you dont have victory rush available
fleet ridge
again, I am just a recent 120, so I am probably ignorant to alot of issues
uneven mason
they're also taking double the damage we do
exotic spoke
Kudaku we don't become less tanky with friends around. We still have our same mitigation etc. We don't have the same recovery. That is an entirely different concept.
grim prism
Literally
static pilot
I use the term tanky as in able to survive intake of damage - if it's by mitigating or by self-healing is irrelevant for the topic we're discussing
brb, doorbell
exotic spoke
Except it is entirely relevant. We are a mitigation tank not a recovery tank. That is our niche role within the tanking community
grim prism
We take less heals to keep alive than any tank in the game
Hence
Selfhealing shoukd be harder
steel mauve
Where did the idea come from that every tank needs to be a self sustain tank?
exotic spoke
Legion probably
uneven mason
and I Mean, in low damage content (where DKs self healing is applicably high enough to keep them at full HP) we can make the argument that we're basically going to be hitting Last Stand every minute (30-60% heal?)
green isle
end of legion shitshow that was bdk
exotic spoke
Between Bracers + IP
grim prism
End of legion was a joke for eberyone
stark wraith
Sadly against none blockable dmg like dots ip feels meh
uneven mason
TBH Jacob - Prot warriors had higher HPS than BDK heh
exotic spoke
I was able to put out 1.5M once or twice solo tanking heroic dogs
green isle
are we counting InsPres in that
uneven mason
No
exotic spoke
IP counted / Bracers counted
uneven mason
we're counting the fact that our rage gen was so out of control we could put up 6.5m worth of IP every 6 seconds
fleet ridge
I guess seeing warriors on the "healing meters" was kind of cool
uneven mason
we literally didn't take damage
grim prism
Broken even
fleet ridge
broken
uneven mason
We actually had relative, smaller HP pools than we do now.
stark wraith
We still do have low hp pools
dark junco
^
fleet ridge
The lowest of all tanks I think?
grim prism
Remember when people said we needed indom and devastator at the same time to be viable lol
dark junco
Yeah, but higher EHP
Its just hard for peeps that don’t know warrior to make ‘em realise that
exotic spoke
Kral is correct. HP doesn't matter EHP matterws.
dark junco
I’d say against sustained magic damage, our ehp is shit
stark wraith
Our st rage generation is garbage cuz we aren’t getting meleed enough
uneven mason
0_o
dark junco
Will eventually have to get a vers setup for that if we end up with a krosus/star augur fight
stark wraith
Rage from damage taken would arguably be our best buff
dark junco
Isn’t there rage from block now tho?
uneven mason
as long as people don't flipperhand Revenge when they should be worrying about mitigation
stark wraith
It should be added back
exotic spoke
It doesn't have synergy with how our spec is designed either.
stark wraith
Link me your logs plz
uneven mason
They'd have to like give us another spender
stark wraith
Show me how your overcapping
uneven mason
or increase the cost
dark junco
I love telling my heal on discord: “pop something”and going ham on revenge and tclap during avatar lol
green isle
it's every time you're autoed, block or no block @dark junco
uneven mason
I'm saying if you had RFDT
undone dove
Since I am a noob, is shield block or ignore pain better for mitigating damage?
frosty wedge
if we get RFDT we'd need IP off the GCD so we could macro it onto every other ability, haha
uneven mason
I've only run into 1 or 2 times last week where I was like "damn I wish I had that 10 more rage for IP"
and thats generally when I was a flipperhanded idiot and hit revenge
dark junco
Shield block from melee, IP for magic and small damage that is non blockable @undone dove
undone dove
@dark junco thanks
stark wraith
And so against the several casters in 10 shrines and motheloads we’re getting very little rage
Caster bosses like mother load 3 and 4 boss give us no rage
stark wraith
It’s only our autos slams and claps
exotic spoke
intervene
exotic spoke
maybe I'm on drugs
stark wraith
It not good enough in higher keys! You have to have your healer fill for you
uneven mason
But yeha what if SR gave us 15 rage when you take spell damage during it?
uneven mason
I was kidding Captain
sick sentinel
: /
exotic spoke
I wasn't on drugs hooray
green isle
rip offgcd intervene
fleet ridge
^
exotic spoke
Yeah you right
@uneven mason Mind a link to your logs? I'd love to be able to go through them so I can see if I'm fucking something up
main vault
Think we will see more WAR or VDH in early prog?
uneven mason
probably VDH
fresh dragon
uneven mason
I mean, they nerfed the bosses that were problamatic for them
uncut fractal
do all tanks have problems at p2 zul or is it only us prot?
uneven mason
didn't nerf the ones that were a problem for prot
All tanks have a problem with it
Paladins can cheese it
exotic spoke
@fresh dragon You can't fix stupid
uneven mason
we just happen to have lower HP
frosty wedge
@fresh dragon right in the feels
main vault
I know there is already a VDH
uncut fractal
@uneven mason should I go Indomitable?
dark junco
@fresh dragon that happens oftenly
main vault
Midwinter is running one
uneven mason
No
dark junco
Way more bad warriors
main vault
Haven't seen a War
dark junco
^
uneven mason
So lets go over this quick you're going to be danger for ~ 10 or so seconds while you wait to drop that nasty DoT on Zul Last Stand lasts for 15seconds
I mean - 30% more HP for the "bad time"
or 10% more HP all the time, and huge gaping holes in your block uptime
🤔
dark junco
You can always call for an external
dark junco
Pally savrifice is a good one
I prefer calling external for a mechanic we can predict, and keeping my own cds for hard time
uneven mason
or Pain supression, life cocooon, Bark Skin etc....
main vault
BoP is bis
uneven mason
The externa lto call for on Zul is Blessing of Protection
hit Shield wall get the 3rd stack, leap out and get BoP
boom done, best in show
dark junco
Dot is physical?
dark junco
Does DID removes it?
uneven mason
don't think so
but I'll check next week
I tell myself every few days I'll race change...
then I dont want to use the tokens
sick sentinel
I will try not using devastator for a bit let's see how it goes
earnest zinc
I see guilds declining prot warrior alot
twin hazel
360 Shield from chest POGGER
dark junco
Not surprised tho, you need to be good at prot else you’re gonna have a bad time
twin hazel
crit vers one tho
steady dock
@dark junco define good
earnest zinc
It's near impossible to get a tank spot as a warrior on my server
dark junco
I’m sad I only got 1 loot from weekly cache... 1x 380 vers small haste ring
steady dock
Just did +6 king's rest at ilvl 341 - trash after first boss completely wrecks me.
dark junco
@steady dock Not dying cause you miss active mitigation
frosty wedge
everyone only gets 1 item
earnest zinc
Unless they are desperate for a tank
frosty wedge
@dark junco they changed that
dark junco
No its 1-3
frosty wedge
nope, it's 1
steady dock
Shield Block doesn't block a ranged [Shoot] ability
twin hazel
hes lying
true hazel
Reported
frosty wedge
blue post says 1 item is proper behaviour
wide sail
I have 340 Jes Howler, and DMC:Blockades. I just got 370 Big Red Button, so obviously more strength on it, but is it worth using it? I assume not, but want to check, thanks
uneven mason
Howler is gonna be better as long as you use it when the vers will have impact
BRB is fun to use tho
dark junco
If you don’t run high keys, i’d use BRB tho
uneven mason
some snap aggro
dark junco
^
uneven mason
since its off GCD
justm acro it to cast at cursor
and point at the bosses face
or at you
tie it to shield slam
so it'll go off on whatever you have in melee
wide sail
so replace jes or dmc?
frosty wedge
I'm runing DMC and a 355 lingering sporepods
dark junco
So from what I’m understanding, we have 3 lots and only 104 chances for a good azerite gear in any of thoses slots? Since expact is usually 2 years
Thats good dev Idea right there
earnest zinc
There is a prot warrior that downed mythic taloc
daring swallow
I was wondering, is there any haste break point where heavy repercussions surpasses anger management - or does bolster always negate that?
frosty wedge
why would haste make HR better than AM? haste makes you able to build and dump rage faster, making AM even stronger?
daring swallow
because it also reduces the recharge on shield block, mine is down to 13 seconds, thats why i was starting to wonder
crude summit
was gonna try a blood dk out but i think im sticking to prot warrior
frosty wedge
true, but AM gives you all of your CDs back faster.
prisma crane
if anything, HR compensates better for less haste, but AM is still better
daring swallow
I fully get it, but sometimes i feel the cooldowns are used to cover gaps in SB uptime, if there was a point that we could get back to near 100% uptime on SB, do we then still need the CD's to be up faster
prisma crane
plus, having all CDs and more rage more often means you handle non-blockable damage better too
ember arrow
also unblockable dmg is a thing
frosty wedge
CDs aren't just to cover block downtime, they help in all situations, mostly when no physical dmg isn't involved
is*
next stone
Hello there, new to this discord group. In other class discord’s Icy Veins is frowned upon, but you all have it listed in resources tab. Which resource is best for finding out stat weights for Prot warriors?
ember arrow
there are none
prot sims arent incorporated
the icy veins guide is written by members of this discord
so its actually good
same with DK one, cant speak for other classes
our priority is ilvl>haste>mastery=vers>crit
steel mauve
Ya we use our cds more often other than oh shit moments because we can get them back quicker, like last stand should be used with bolster to cover for SB down time
viral elm
has blizzard said anything about prot changes yet?
gaunt igloo
345 jes howler or a 350 with socket rezan's gleaming eye? what you guys think
dusk locust
it takes a lot of practice
viral elm
in the top 300 m10 keys in time are 2 prot warriors
ember arrow
viral elm
in the top 250 zero
earnest zinc
Every tank but DH and DK are inferior in M+
empty birch
yea
quiet delta
is Darkmoon Deck: Blockades bis?
prisma crane
pins man
dawn dome
@earnest zinc regarding your comment about any tank but DH and DK being inferior - first m+15 was cleared in time with a prot pally. That being said, Warri feels a bit on the weaker side at the moment, yes.
quiet delta
so after reading the pins is my conclussion right that they say that 'Bygone Bee' Almanac is better than DMD Blockades?
ember arrow
@dawn dome thats not indicative of the power of a tank
if the first 15 world was cleared wit it
in general, dh and dk are much easier to play correctly in m+ due to the nature of their kits, which makes them better for that content
dawn dome
agreed!
ember arrow
but the team comp is also situational
dawn dome
just trying to make the point that "stronger" and "weaker" needs to be taken with a grain of salt
uneven mason
If they gave us back gag order
fleet ridge
ranged silence, 5s stun, bop, shield, self heal, insane
uneven mason
we have a 4s stun and a AE 2s stun *shrug
dawn dome
just like shattering trow was nice in pvp
uneven mason
Yeah, more or less though, warriors primary issue in M+ is the fact we can't do add control at range
without LOS
which requires room and trickyness
dusk locust
and dps that doesn't go ham on the thing you're los-ing
uneven mason
the healing is irrelevant more or less.
Well thats the thing
to do timers
they have to go ham
dawn dome
everyone has to go ham while not dying 😃
uneven mason
but warriors don't have a toolkit to control that mob at 30 yards
uneven mason
I mean, we're pretty damn beefy
but
That util
Well snaguine only matters on sanguine weeks
right now, Bursting/Skittish is our time to shine
dawn dome
sanguine/necrotic is shaping up to be my least favorite so far
uneven mason
massive AE aggro generation +++
dawn dome
I actually love our AoE rotation
dawn dome
made our rogues cry last uldir raid. big pull on the adds at Zul and mass AoE dps with tc and revenge 😛
uncut fractal
damn I finally downed zul on HC after 20+ tries
felt like I need to get a curve for that
especially surviving as a tank in p2 xD
dawn dome
^^
uncut fractal
my pc was literally burning on Zul and I had to taunt the Crusher every spawn
We were 30 players + adds
fathom marten
Limit got world first on mythic zek
uncut fractal
I averaged probably 6-10 fps
fathom marten
Cool
fathom marten
Yeah I'm excited for that too
uncut fractal
any1 know the schedule of how world first raid go?
do they 24hr
or just couple of bosses
uneven mason
I Mean, its probably going to be a 24/7, since Method isn't one raid team
uncut fractal
they can probably clear heroic for better gear or is that not allowed ?
little rain
How many ilvls is 1 Deafening Crash worth vs 0
uneven mason
25~
They'll probably jump righti nto mythic until they hit a wall
and then reclear heroic fast to try and get a few more % edge
mind you their "backup dancers" will be clearing heroic asap
like, multiple times, so they're all fished up if thye want to change comp
vivid sage
be kind of a smart strategy to have the back up subs clear up to the hard shit while the main squad rolls through heroic gearing up as much as they can
and then your all starts roll in to zul + fully geared
uneven mason
TFW they have a raid that is 100% Paladins clearing Heroic
so when Zul comes up they just hit his ass with 20 BoPs and 20 Bubbles and negate 100% of his mechanics
zinc mauve
Does anyone have any resources on how all the damage mitigation works together? I found some information on askmrrobot on how each one works independently but I was curious to see how Shield Wall stacks up against just plain old Shield Block.
uneven mason
Askmrrobot 🤢
zinc mauve
sorry google doesnt help me 😦
signal plover
Go ahead and read the pinned icy veins guide
uneven mason
or Skyhold.gg
signal plover
Skyhold doesn't have the guide
zinc mauve
oh shit didnt notice those woops
uneven mason
Shield block is a % based on your block rating
signal plover
The abilities section in the IV guide is the best response to that question.
As well as the mitigation section in one of the other sections (I think rotation)
zinc mauve
i just learned today that block rating isnt just flat damage reduction. I thought a block rating of 1000 would just reduce damage when you blocked by 1000
im more aware now at least
broken kite
i'll get that last trait any day now 😄
elder isle
I am taking insane dmg on zul , this shit makes me wanna die irl
uneven mason
get sum externals
only fight in that place that is full panic mode for warriors
everything else is 100% manageable
the stupid thing is, if the DOT was magic damage, we'd have an easier time with it.
elder isle
yeah , thats like the only option 😄 beg for externals
plain ice
@broken kite see you next xpac gl
uneven mason
To be fair, folks keep coming in and acting like warriors are the only ones screaming for externals
and that isn't the case
prisma crane
@uneven mason that's not how it works, they usually raid 16 hrs (with breaks throughout) for the first wk and scale back after that, they don't have full backup rosters, but all members have multiple alts
prisma crane
probably when servers are up
raven kernel
when's that for EU?
prisma crane
idk, im not in EU
uneven mason
set your VCRs
queen oracle
any tips for tanking zek'voz hc?
winter skiff
Woot finally got my jest howler
plain ice
what ilvl?
dusk locust
@queen oracle take all 3 hits of the combo, spell reflect the third, block the second
i think you can have shield wall up for the whole thing every time
not that it hits THAT hard
winter skiff
355
compact sigil
what the shit, you can reflect part of the shatter combo on Zek?
dusk locust
i think it's just for the mitigation part
i'd have to check that blockable/reflectable sheet in pins again
compact sigil
thats good to know
visual drift
i havn't tanked since BC. How is the Warrior tank compared to others for M+?
fleet ridge
I haven't done MP @visual drift , but from what I read on here; we are great; but if you make a mistake you basically are dead. So you have to play greatly, always.
But if played well, Warrior is one of the best out there.
compact sigil
warrior is really fun in M+. The damage on big pulls can be pretty fun to see that they do. Avatar+TC+DS is feels pretty good.
dusk locust
warrior's effective but least forgiving
frosty wedge
Ava+DS+Jes's+TC spam is so fun
dusk locust
i've done so many atal, still no 355 shield 😛
compact sigil
Saw this little gem in warcraft logs for Uldir. Thought it was funny
visual drift
wait wait wait. What are these shortcuts 😮
fleet ridge
11.81 deaths, on 28k parses
compact sigil
avatar, thunderclap, demo shout Jes's Howler(Trinket)
visual drift
ah okay thank you. And what is this death ratio? are 11.81 deaths on 28k parses a lot or just average
junior ivy
i never see people with red names talking
frosty wave
Just saying the BFA Gdoc of raid bosses isn't true, Terrible thrash from devourer isn't blockable
upper spoke
Would you bonus roll Kraulok's Claw from world bonus?
onyx radish
Anyone know why when I run "/script print(EJ_GetEncounterInfo(2168))" it shows Taloc as the encounter?
When I try to use 2144 to get Taloc (according to weakauras) it spits out info for Galvazt from Temple of Seth?
upper spoke
so dont waste bonus roll on kraulok's?
mild echo
@frosty wave Terrible thrash is blockable
stone imp
With a proc rate of 1.75 according to wowhead, it ends up being just about the same as a stat stick of about the same level... so it's just okay.
I wouldn't waste a roll on it
You can see its DPS sim for BDK/Prot pally, and it's toward the bottom
frosty wave
@mild echo I had shield block up and still get OS'ed LUL tanknotes says it's not blockable and from experence it isn't
mild echo
Look at warcraft logs
gray wolf
prot warr tips for zul heroic?
candid cove
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fm2JjyPaNXDckAYC/#fight=14&type=damage-taken&source=16&ability=262277 you can see my bad block percent on that fight right there
frosty wave
The tank i was watching didn't took it once LUL
I was sure i was under shield block and still got oneshotted
mild echo
It's possible there was weird positioning and he hit you from the side or behind... you have a log?
frosty wave
@mild echo
dry shard
is Ravager advised on necrotic or never?
static pilot
I've heard someone say that the trash boss hit box is a bit buggy in that if you're too close his attacks register as hitting you in the back
which means they cant be blocked
dunno if it's true or not but your log could shed some light on it
mild echo
Someone also mentioned mythrax hitbox is a little too far forward, and he can actually be meleeing you from behind when it appears you're in front of him
could be similar deal here
errant dagger
Let’s just hope for some changes to the better 😃
vale basalt
The only thing i want is ignore pain on the gcd so i can use revenge better. I like having to be good at tanking and dont just mash buttons.
limber perch
ON THE GCD?
vale basalt
Off sorry
mild echo
i have some good news for you then, friend
vale basalt
Lol
mild echo
😄
compact sigil
yeah, being the "off tank" for Fetid, I was able to mitigate %70 of the damage i took that fight
Iron fortress?
limber perch
yea
compact sigil
really depends, both good, personal preference, I like iron fortress more for dungeons
old dawn
@frosty wave I had that happen to me too
limber perch
anyone else dreading never getting to replace a deafening crash azerite piece?
that trait is just too good
mild echo
yeah, still tanking in a 330 blue to maintain it
limber perch
just get lucky with weekly m+ chests for the rest of the expansion 👌
brave jetty
Anything noteworthy on Tyrannical for us? Like Ymiron Dark Slash in Maw levels of specifically notable?
mild echo
its the only piece of gear I've had long enough to unlock all the azerite traits on
astral crystal
Fixed a bug where some shields and off-hands had a chance to Titanforge. Existing items that have dropped will not change, but new drops of these items should no longer have a chance to Titanforge.
seriously
some jerk is running around with a 400 shield
sick sentinel
:(
limber perch
don't feel too bad, still a prot war
sick sentinel
That makes me sad.
hybrid sundial
whats the name of the tanking guide website that shows strats for tanks of each raidboss
sick sentinel
400 shield? God amongst the Prot.
frosty wedge
it's probably an ele shaman with that 400 shield.
astral crystal
reeeeeeeeeee
frosty wedge
let's be real here :p
high fox
uneven mason
@brave jetty Yeah, thus far, we're absolute demigods at tanking Tyrannical bosses - end note.
that being said
Waycrest manor can go fuck itself
sisters 🤢
opaque pagoda
Are there any definitive notes on the current formula for blocking? There’s a lot of out-of-date info out there
It seems like it’s so complex that nobody really knows
high fox
Is there a general consensus on when pure ilvl (on non jewellery) and it's inherent strength outscales the value of haste in a rule of thumb kinda way? Or do I have to sim prot stats for every piece? Especially when considering up to 20 ilvls?
astral crystal
we crushed a waycrest 8 earlier, not a 10 but still
10s are so farmable this week
free lot for everyone
uneven mason
Block = blockrating/ (blockrating+ k)
Like what you looking for Krom?
Its literally the same scale as armor
onyx radish
Does Archive of the Titans (Reorgination Array) build up even on weeks you aren't using it? Aka, if I dont use it now when it's bascially garbage and then change to it in weeks 5-10 will it be at 5-10 stacks then?
uneven mason
@high fox Item level on armor slots are always going to beat out 2ndaries
Our 2ndaries are so close that it is rarely going to be worthwhile to scarifice item level, even on rings to have a more optimal 2ndary selection.
that being said, high haste is probably 5-10 (somewhere in there) over not haste on rings
Also - no Prot sims right now
high fox
Thanks a lot.
Currently gearing a Prot Warrior to be one of my alternative tanks (main BrM) and I really wasn't sure with how far above Strength haste seems to sit.
But then I'll not worry about downgrading on ilvl too much
uneven mason
you can't sim defensively, and no one has bothered to fix SimC for Protection
high fox
Didn't we have TMI sims?
uneven mason
Armor > str > Stam (all 3 are item level) > Haste > vers >= mastery > crit
We don't have any sims afaik
random cliff
how good is mythrax trinket defensively, proc seems pretty meh
real thunder
Ok can someone weigh in on which of the 2 trinkets would be best for surv, I have them at the same ILvl, the bandage aborbs 56k at 1.5minute CD
https://www.wowhead.com/item=161474/lions-strength&bonus=5119:1492
vs
https://www.wowhead.com/item=159618/mchimbas-ritual-bandages&bonus=4777:1482
Guide says crit isn't garbage but rng for the parry increase
but an absorb might be good i guess
limber tulip
distant socket
Apologies if this was asked just a bit further up but couldnt see as I read through but, whats the general consensus on prot warr compared to the other tanks? If there was an established tier list, would we be high or low in your opinions?
limber tulip
All tanks are viable for all relevant content 😃
only exceptions are if youre pushing in the WF race or pushing keys
limber tulip
what kind of exp do you have so far
distant socket
+7, going pretty ok so far with my guild, just wondering if prot warrior will drop off a bit higher up compared to others
steel mauve
the tank guide is pinned
final mist
+7 isn't really pushing a key - something like +13, +15 is pushing.
You should be fine to do at least +10, if not more if you're skilled enough.
(Although that depends on your group as well!)
strange pike
What should be the ideal amount of haste to aim for?
hearty crater
Just wondering if anyone can explain why Crystalline Carapace middle ring trait is ranked top for A tier? seems like some other the others like Ablative Shielding or Blood Siphon would be better?
final mist
It might be overloaded, it is both Tuesday and the first day of mythic.
final mist
Carapace is both consistent and reliable.
At any sort of difficult content, it's up 100% of the time, which is quite good.
thin mortar
its not working on my end either, could be a browser thing. idk. just checking from work... worked fine at home the other night with firefox
zinc bear
ok thanks sal!
daring marlin
Yo. Any tips for handling sharks in higher M+ ring of booty boss?
final mist
Kite them into the blood pools.
daring marlin
I mean
final mist
You never face tank them.
daring marlin
Of course not.
I just mean at higher keys they hit for like 70% of someone's HP
rofl
final mist
You just have to kite and be prepared, that's all you can do.
Really no other option but to be spread and prepared when you see the timer.
thin mortar
@zinc bear just loaded fine in chrome, but not in explorer. just an fyi
dark junco
Any of you running mythic tonight?
opaque pagoda
@uneven mason I saw that block formula but assumed it was outdated, I thought they did something where block effectiveness was reduced based on how much armor you had
midnight ferry
so last stand should be used on cooldown when shield block has 0 charge right?
stone imp
You should use LS to fill gaps in SB and/or you need the extra health on top of the block (assuming bolster)
Not sure I'd go so far as to say use it on CD
though practically speaking you should find yourself with LS used as frequently as possible
vocal nimbus
Yeah
If you are going to keep actively tanking pop LS without worries
If you think you will stop getting meleed in a couple seconds after SB you may want to hold it if it isnt dangerous
Its more an experience thing
stone imp
Like I wouldn't just blindly pop it during some intermission just because you used up all your SBs, but you should use it as a frequent mitigation in your rotation
and learning to not overlap it with SB is also important. Popping SB, only to find you also would like to have had the extra health from LS means next time use LS first and save the SB for later
sick sentinel
is raid scaling shitty? or what? with 12man it was really hard, and with 24 it was stomp...
prisma crane
depends on the bosses
i know specifically they had to nerf vectis for smaller raid sizes
sick sentinel
I dont think they scale number of interupts in raid etc.
opaque pagoda
That was the article I was thinking of regarding block, but it’s so vague that I can’t get much out of it
sweet abyss
So ive a question. I’ve seen a lot of people saying Protection Warrior is doing really bad right now - but is that actually the case? Or is prot warrior still a perfectly fine tank spec?
heavy cairn
hi
summer sequoia
blood siphon or wins of war traits?
stone imp
@opaque pagoda did you see https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XnLewJ5C11MMdrMXHUwI9Pt6YSBkth1J/view ?
kind urchin
I thought that capped at 85% like armor.
stone imp
yeah, the second link calls that out
west pelican
Does anyone have a good custom display for details to track uptime of all prot mitigations?
summer sequoia
so what's better, 68 mastery + 34 leech or 34 dodge stacking 5 times
royal oasis
So...would a 380 Razdunk replace a 340 Jes'...?
final mist
@opaque pagoda Block attacks follow the formulae that Ikari posted. We figured it out a while ago.
gaunt coyote
can anyone else access their twitch app for addons?
final mist
Blocked attacks still reduce damage as a percent in their usual spot in the DR order, they're just functionally a linear scaling stat like armor and such are.
Instead of a flat percent the entire expansion.
@summer sequoia Mastery.
half merlin
as the thrash tank on hc fetid, how do you guys roll the cd's ? we managed to get it but i got thrashed at the end for greed. never felt really safe. any tips?
summer sequoia
@final mist thanks, was thinking the same
final mist
@half merlin Cycle through your own CDs and externals, don't use SB unless he's about to Thrash you (if you're the Thrash tank), if you don't have something and your cotank does, you should Taunt so they take the next Thrash with a CD so you don't die.
next goblet
i wish i could use devastator
half merlin
completely forgot about the taunt. obviously. thats handy yes. yeah i waited for the cast to use sb. same with the rest of the cds but did anyone else find the fkn timers really weird?
final mist
Yes, he will delay the Thrash to cast other abilities.
half merlin
at some point i could almost swear he stopped casting thrash, fucked off to the pools instead
final mist
You just need to be on your toes.
Thrash is lowest in his cast priority.
Sometimes it will go upwards of 20 seconds without being cast.
Just gotta deal with it.
half merlin
yeh
earnest zinc
A top 10 guild is using a Prot Warrior so it looks like we are just fine
broken kite
So how's prot warriors repesentation in raids? We doing any better or second expac at bottom?
(sorry I don't know how to check the stats)
midnight ferry
I saw the mythic+ top 100 ranking and see like 2 warriors...
summer sequoia
just because tanks can handle high end stuff doesn't mean they're 'fine'
mental bay
does azurite power Deafening crash stack?
final mist
The damage, yes. Duration, no.
mental bay
k thank you
broken kite
Feels bad that there's no Uldir DC items
next goblet
weird my holy pally healer says its easier to heal me when i play devastator (m0 siege) than when i play BV lol prob cuz i was fuckin up rocking BV
earnest zinc
They wouldn't use an inferior tank in a top 10 guild
I do hope they nerf the crap out of DK and Monk tanks next tier
next goblet
how is that possible my healer prefers me using dev over BV?
final mist
Because of any number of factors that I'm too lazy to list out on mobile.
broken kite
Don't nerf others, buff the weak
prisma crane
☝
earnest zinc
Those are 2 specs significantly ahead of the others
The other 4 are relatively balanced to each other
tawny panther
Is it, or is us different to eu
brave jetty
this week is tyrannical bursting skittish in US
prisma crane
i think they made them match towards mid/end of legion
earnest zinc
looks like I'm not getting a high key that week
ember arrow
Which
astral crystal
this week is so free
clear sapphire
ember arrow
2 zuls
broken kite
You ok
junior ivy
sometimes in the middle of a boss fight
ill start running really fast
zooming
and i had no idea why
but it turns out im using skystep potions sometimes by accident??
how do i stop lol
prisma crane
unbind
junior ivy
i dont even think its bound! im so confused haha
prisma crane
hrmmm
brave jetty
Are you sure it's that?
junior ivy
yeah someone finally pointed it out t ome
brave jetty
Could it be bugged Vamp Speed trait?
junior ivy
and i noticed my buffs
its super weird cause its nowhere near the abilities i actually clcik lol
broken kite
Check no macros
lethal plaza
where do you pick up the weekly dungeon quest
frosty wedge
hit shift+j
lethal plaza
you're the mvp
copper birch
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serene shuttle
Fetid OT role. SB should be enough on Heroic right?
errant coral
How is everyone getting on in mythic plus?
vocal nimbus
@serene shuttle below 50% you would want something more to be sure
vocal nimbus
Ye
errant coral
You still want to reduce as much damage as possible even before 50% to help with healers mana. You can probably use shield wall at the start band it will be ready for 50%
So make sure you are tracking externals and call for them when ever you need to.
errant coral
So you could definitely use CDs such as iron bark near to the start
And it will be refreshed for 50%
serene shuttle
But SB won't be enough at the start to mitigate then
errant coral
You just said SB should be enough before 50%😀
errant coral
Not really
ember arrow
🤔
errant coral
Depends on the raid size you used before
ember arrow
20+ man hc does same dmg as 12 man hc prenerf
errant coral
We went with 23 people and it was still a ball ache
errant coral
So did we, but healers struggled
ember arrow
well
no raid dmg
except tanks
and the stomp every so often
so should be no struggle
errant coral
Exactly 😂
I died a couple of times due to not being topped up so it's probably healers falling a little behind
serene shuttle
that was easy
errant coral
I did miss one when I had no shield block😂
serene shuttle
what is everyone bitching about with OTing on that lol
steel mauve
its not too bad if you got a good healer
errant coral
Lol I've managed at +9 it's been okay slot of the dungeons are tight corridors and no space to kite for necrotic or sanguine
outer oasis
did they increase the base ilvl drop in M+? or do we still farm 5s?
errant coral
I use movement speed potions aswell to make sure I can reset stacks
Still farm 5s I think
I'm not sure
steel mauve
they increased the ilvl cap
but higher keys give better ilvl but are still hard as fuck
errant coral
It will be alot easier this week
Without fortified and necrotic
Bursting is slot easier to manage
Commanding shout before a pack dies=win!
ember arrow
if you cast it before they vurst
you have more max hp
so bursting ticks for more dmg
errant coral
Yeah but you can just let it tick off before CS finishes
The tick should reset in time for when CS wears off
ember arrow
i mean
serene shuttle
I just hop on my DH to tank m+, scared to on my warrior 😦
ember arrow
or you can not kill 5-10 adds at once
serene shuttle
espiecally since i have to pug all mine
ember arrow
dh is squishier
errant coral
Trailer lol
Traitor*
Not looking forward to the bloody boss in temple of sethrilis on tyrannical
ember arrow
3rd?
errant coral
Yup not sure how the last boss will work?
More health on the thing to heal? Or more hp on adds
fresh dragon
is there a way (for any class) to remove G'HUUN stack??
lapis pasture
prisma crane
you can check WCL to verify
prisma crane
always 6
astral crystal
IM HIGH I GUESS
prisma crane
yea
potent pond
anyway to find out what are the new affixes?
prisma crane
@lapis pasture warriors have the highest % of deaths relative to pull count at roughly 24.5% (heroic) with a representation of about 8.1% (heroic)
oops, that's at 75%
all players it's a 62.47% death
least total deaths but because we're poorly represented
still about 8% of all tanks, which is bad
blood and brew make up 50% of all tanks lol
digital arrow
lmao "dang hecken bullies"
surreal stump
ghuun shield from my weekly quest... ok lol
frigid blaze
How are you guys handling zul phase 2?
OT taunts at 2 stacks, I run out and drop the pool, rinse and repeat?
final mist
Yes.
grim zenith
hey people - i'm usually hanging in the Arms section but wanted to try tanking out. I have a 120 monk so I'm wondering (95% for running mythic +) how does BM compare to Prot warrior? I don't have a ton of time to keep both toons viable so if prot warrior is fine then I'll be happy
i've just seen a lot of trash talking about prot warriors ha
amber siren
It's tougher to play than BRM but if you're willing to take the time to learn you'll be fine
It's easy to die if you fuck it up
eternal solstice
What are you guys doing Vs Fetid devourer to keep cd up during thrash? Also fillin in down time with externals
undone sun
use Last stand to fill gaps of SB, you also don't need SB up 100% of the time just around the thrash hits so try to let it recharge when he's channeling or casting something else
modern brook
pally + warrior; who maintanks fetid?
junior ivy
what about fury do you know
prisma crane
i dont think they want crit
prisma crane
yea its amazing for arms
amber siren
raven kernel
it was overperforming in sims
junior ivy
oh ok
prisma crane
its still good
esp considering you prob dont have a lot of dps trinkets
but yea, for prot, other two easy
junior ivy
i eventually want a fathoms deck
but hoping price will go down
cause i actualy dps quite a bit this expac as fury
severe summit
Hey guys, how much hp is reasonable for hc uldir? I’m wondering if vast horizon would be better for bosses like fetid
Unbuffed
vivid vector
Blightborne Infusion or Callous Reprisal?
viral pollen
is brace for impact worth 15 ilvls over CR?
amber siren
no, only trait worth dropping ilvl for is deafening crash
viral pollen
kk thanks
pulsar lily
Is there a link for post raid release trinkets?
pulsar lily
I have a 370 Xalzaix's veiled eye and Jes' Howler - is the xalzaix's still bad compared to the DMF trink?
amber siren
Ehhh
I mean the eye has more str
But the proc is actual garbage
I'd probably lean towards blockades defensively and eye offensively? but 🤷
main vault
Xalzaixs isnt even better than Phantasmal Echo
cold wren
junior ivy
how many stacks of zul should i be able to take?
shrewd knoll
I noticed they snuck in a change to Blockades that makes its shuffle speed scale on haste
cloud bone
crystal night
Damn my damage parses are so bad 😦
45% average for damage and 65% average for healing
should I even care about either?
candid cove
I mean I'd wear it for the str along with blockades. My other trinket is a plunderbeard's flask at 335 and the only issues I came across in the first 5 on heroic was just bad play like getting a ton of stacks on vectis because he ran across me at the start or not reactive to waves or the best was omega vector trading on the tanks tanking the boss. And that was at 340 ilvl. So far I haven't seen any make or break trinkets other than blockades being complementary to our toolkit.
FIrst time i've had an asterisk by a parse before.
amber siren
@crystal night If you're progging it doesn't matter as long as you're killing the bosses
prisma crane
@chilly brook same as we mentioned to Cat earlier, better for arms
it's crit so not great for prot other than STR stat stick
of which i bet you have better
vivid sage
wipe after wipe on that goddamn last boss
upbeat folio
Congratulations.
opaque harness
i may have asked yesterday, but deafening crash does not stack correct?
vivid sage
we had him to 10% with the key in time on the first pull
and then jsut wiped 10 times in a row after
2m to spare
upbeat folio
The damage component does, but not the cooldown reduction, @opaque harness
undone sun
only the damage addition stacks
chilly brook
@prisma crane it's my highest STR trinket with my second best trinket that could go in that slot being a 350 Rezan's
opaque harness
thank you
cinder nova
prisma crane
i'd personally take teh Rezan's
astral crystal
good lord the kangz rest trinket got super buffed
went from 13k absorb to 43k at 345
chilly brook
The bandage?
astral crystal
yeah
viral garden
Do we know the block values of shields or where to look them up? Went from a 345 to the 355 G'huun shield and I'm curious how much stronger the value is
fierce juniper
The block stat is on the shield tooltip
viral garden
I must have an odd UI problem then, I don't see it displayed, just armor/primary stats/secondary, so perhaps I need to check if I have something disabled
digital arrow
@vivid sage where'd u tank the last boss?
native radish
How do you all find your Stat weights? Is it possible to use raidbots or Sim c to find them?
native radish
Well how do you figure out what gear are upgrades?
final mist
In the same vein, it is also important to understand that having more stats is better than having "better" stats. For example, if you had to choose between 120 Critical Strike and 100 Haste, you are better off with the 120 Critical Strike.```Stat priority being Haste > Vers >= Mastery > Crit
native radish
Thanks Sal.
compact sigil
Hey guys, how good is Laser Matrix for prot outside of the raid? Obviously the gear is an item upgrade going from 340-370, but how screwed am i here on traits? the prot one is bloodsport
stray wedge
The absorb trinkets buffed on the 11th of September are still extremely weak post-buff.
steep lily
Think 390 Disc of Systematic Regression would beat out 340 rezans?
327 str versus 205
timid hollow
What's better? Guardian druid or prot warrior?
vagrant cape
@timid hollow better for what?
timid hollow
mythic plus
vagrant cape
prot warrior
but it also depends on affixes
prot warriors are better at skittish and necrotic, druids are better at raging
also, nice avatar
I love gaurdians
digital arrow
guardians r ok imo
warm rover
quick owlseye are better than kraken's eye of strength right?
vale gorge
yes
warm rover
tyvm
steep lily
so any advice on trinkets? would a 390 disc typically be better for mitigation than 340 rezans because of the strength alone
next goblet
i hate booming voice build lol
14.47% haste baseline before ITF.. but idk why i just cant stand having devastate on my bar..
vale gorge
it's not good
undone sun
amber siren
haste
chilly brook
To put it in perspective as a panda haste food is worth like 2% haste
@amber siren is that just a gut feeling orrrrrrr
plain vapor
the pins only show defensive trinket value
chilly brook
Now that I have a 370 weapon I need a shield to match 😭
vagrant cape
TIL underrot has a shortcut unlock after you kill sporecaller.
thanks, method dungeon tools
amber siren
@undone sun Does the change to xalzaix make it worth using now or still pretty bad?
dull pilot
hmm going to try that out might learn something
plain ice
reorigination array vs reinforced plating? assuming i should go reinforced plating if i'm not raiding
amber siren
yeah if you're never going to do uldir then it's not worth it
plain ice
maybe sometimes - but not mythic
undone sun
Thyme to Read the Pins
plain ice
only normal/heroic, otherwise i'm pushing m+
wide juniper
Mother is sweet.
amber siren
I mean, it still gets buffed each week you kill (3?) bosses and it'll get stronger to a cap of 750
But it's not going to make or break heroic/normal prog
Maybe just have two sets
Idk
tiny rapids
Imagine Underrot without interrupts and cc besides mine. ugh
undone sun
definitely want 1 array for uldir
tiny rapids
So this week is max +5? or we got higher now?
One array at least, my core tested and it's worth.
undone sun
indeed
dull sapphire
Pretty cool thing on G'huun - spell reflect prevents the Explosive Corruption debuff being applied on you 😃
tiny rapids
Hmm, what a nice thing to know.
dull sapphire
Was wondering why i was skipping some applications...then I realised it was spell reflect haha
tiny rapids
Does it announces who's targeted?
tiny rapids
Well, just keep it up then 😄
vale gorge
only in p2 when you're tanking
dull sapphire
yup p2 only
undone sun
P3 has a chance to target the tank but it's unlikely
vale gorge
you will get targeted by it at about 7-8 stacks
undone sun
we always swap at around 3-4 on heroic and i take the explosive out
dull sapphire
Yeah and safe to taunt while he's casting 😃
dull sapphire
hmm we've been taunting at 7-8
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dull sapphire
where the brewmaster taking out the explosive
next goblet
so i got a crit/vers cape from the weekly quest.. mildly upset it made me lose 1% haste
tiny rapids
I got luck as hell with my wekkly drop
didn't lose haste, didn't get more, but 20 ilvl upgrade.
dull sapphire
Does gemhide stack?
undone sun
yes
dull sapphire
ah awesome
tiny rapids
gemhide is great.
dull sapphire
wasn't sure if i should take that or impassive
tiny rapids
last dungeon it blocked 1m damage
dull sapphire
wowza
restive mauve
Am I retarded or is never surrender actually pretty strong?
next goblet
i've seen a warrior use never surrender before.. i'd say if you're learning how to tank with a prot war you could start with it, but its def not the best talent in that row
daring marlin
spell reflecting the explosive is hilarious
sick sentinel
for M+ under 3 its not that bad
daring marlin
I'd rather have more reliable blocks for anything
fierce halo
So, skittish is an affix this week? Any na people did keys yet and can tell us how it is?
daring marlin
even in lower M+
sick sentinel
if its not bad, doesnt mean bolster isnt superior
daring marlin
If you're a Warrior and you can avaclap properly you will have zero problems.
gl DKs this week
fierce halo
Cool, thanks for the info.
daring marlin
Held off my DH buddy who does assloads of AoE just fine in a +9 atal dazar earlier so eh
daring marlin
Much better than last week, that's for sure. lol
inland silo
never surrender is on blockades row?
even if never surrender wasnt that bad, blockades is ridiculously strong
bolster*
empty birch
so prot warrior in mythic is decent tbh
No issues on Taloc. Mother was a bit rough due to the insane auto attack dmg (not to mention the bugged beam). Zek'voz is going to be a wall for most as it requires the raid to be cognizant of their positioning the whole time
tiny rapids
Prot war is good, players as average are bad.
empty birch
yea
tiny rapids
My last +5 got out of time because DPS wouldnt for their life interrupt the herb mob that stun heal debuff
and ignored uphavel mushrooms and said: tank needs to clear more.
they left uphavel at my foot just saying
and I had to kill the last boss alone for 3 minutes abusing Spore Victory Rush
oh yeah, the spores you can kill with heroic throw and insta victory rush for you.
Quite awesome if you ask me.
junior ivy
i dont understand ghuun fight 😦