Wait no
#protection
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Ok
uneven mason
I would be doing that but they blocked Blizzard's systems from the network in my building and we're in a blackout zone for cell/external signals
cloud bone
got lifespeed tho
chilly brook
I’ll make you a eunuch
valid iron
guys does any 1 know stat list
valid iron
ye
uneven mason
item level > haste > vers => mastery > crit
valid iron
kk ty
uneven mason
the only time stat priority matters is rings/trinkets
chilly brook
That awkward moment when you forget your wallet before you leave so you can’t get back into your building to get back into your room
valid iron
i just get met with ppl saying i should go for crit
chilly brook
Those people are wrong
uneven mason
They're setting you up to fail
chilly brook
Crit isn’t bad
chilly brook
But you shouldn’t focus on it
valid iron
ye okay ty guys
chilly brook
Anytime boi
uneven mason
So basically, our stat priority means that all of our 2ndaries are pretty close, haste is worth 5 - 10 item levels on rings
over crit
but thats like, high haste vers/mast and high crit vers/mast
its not like haste is 2x the value of crit, more like 1.15x
all in all, thats because Crit is unreliable
and haste is always haste 100% of the time
next goblet
but armor/str is king
uneven mason
yes
stuck oxide
trinket
uneven mason
Item level is king
cloud bone
gg fuzza
prisma night
dayum
dusk locust
any sense of what the uptime is on rezan's
rotund heart
Quick clarification question in regards to rage - if we already have SB up(or on CD) and maxed rage is it recommended to spend on IP(over revenge) in a boss tanking scenario?
I feel I still waste a bit of rage by overcapping - SS/TC are constantly up etc and don't want to miss the procs(scanned over guide and didn't see a mention of if Overcapping rage > SS/TC procs.
uneven mason
Benile if you don't have IP up, and you're about to cap rage
lost mauve
lost mauve
this shouldn't be too bad for my tank spec
uneven mason
if you are about to cap rage and IP is up
or you're not taking damage
hit revenge
rotund heart
Okay, that helps immensely - Thank you!
uneven mason
Basically iP v Revenge is totally if you feel you need it
thus far
I ALWAYS feel I need it while tanking bosses
except for Taloc
that dude hits like a wet noodle
prisma night
hes a baby
next goblet
so whats the strat for mythic expos? i've never done one
only farmed heroic
i've heard you just grab a big group and take it to the horde
sick sentinel
Don't bother with islands
Wait for catch-up
Garbage content
Alternatively wait for demolisher week, get 2 and a bdk and annihilate everything
uneven mason
demos were nerfed
and generally mythic and heroic isles are not worth the extra effort
took me 4x as long as a normal to finish up a mythic isle
just burn through normals at 4x the pace, finish in half the time.
Like Isle expeditions seemed like they'd be fun
but they're more harassment than they're worth
the idea that you can do them without a Tank/DPS/Healer setup in any logical sort of timeframe goes right out the window when the elites/opposing team is 2 shotting you as a DPS
I tried to do them as arms in an all DPS team
and we just got torn apart
Swapped to Prot, wife swapped to Resto druid (our 3rd was a warlock) and I was able to just mass pull with no worries
I suppose 3 pet classes could do it as pure DPS
since 90% of the 2shot mechanics are cleaves/AEs and hunter pets take like zero damage from them.
chilly brook
I guess I'll take it
fleet ridge
@chilly brook very nice
round vortex
Hellz yeah. BIS trait and Chest so high ilvl stat budget lol.
round vortex
Pogchamp 😉
clear sapphire
Anyone get multiple peices yet?
undone sun
nope
frosty wedge
shiiit, nice.
chilly brook
Only 1 😑
undone sun
frosty wedge
can't ait to go home for lunch and check mine, lol
oh wow, really? that's kind of annoying
clear sapphire
That azerite hunting is going to be a bogger pain then :
prisma crane
kinda shit
chilly brook
Now my weekly guaranteed loot is cucked too
uneven mason
TFW you get week after week the same azerite downgrades
sick sentinel
more reason to spam warfront for 340+ TFs.
uncut fractal
What's the diff between Coastal Rejuvenation and Coastal Healing?
uneven mason
Rejuve pots are on the potion CD
sick sentinel
one is a hot.
uncut fractal
Which one should I take?
uneven mason
(rejuve has mana on it too)
chilly brook
TBH spamming Warfronts for TF’s is a waste of time imo
uneven mason
Both
uncut fractal
Can I pop both?
uneven mason
So Healing pts have their own CD
rejuve share a CD with DPS potions
and Healthstones have their own CD
frosty wedge
I'd rather run m+ than WF tbh
chilly brook
I’d rather spam +5s for a guaranteed 355
uneven mason
so you can have 3 heals
frosty wedge
except weapons from WF is a plus
uncut fractal
@uneven mason So I can use rejuv & healing & healthstone?
uneven mason
yes
uncut fractal
oh cool
uneven mason
"Warrior self sustain"
graceful mason
I cant believe we dont hav ea bunch of people linking 385 shields yet
frosty wedge
I got a 370 shield from the WF quest cache 😄
chilly brook
Ayyyy
frosty wedge
but yeah - this from WF
chilly brook
Free heroic piece today
frosty wedge
chilly brook
Do your mythics
Oh boi
Now it’s even more worth spamming m+ this week one extra piece of gear bois
round vortex
Oh wow Mike. Gratz
frosty wedge
yeah
lost mauve
glad I sold last week
cloud bone
@frosty wedge where did that drop from?
lost mauve
but I woke up this morning and checked and I have seen some as low as 99k
chilly brook
I mean those boes were going to fall through with Uldir anyways
frosty wedge
it was what I got as my reward from the WF quest - the 370 cache
uneven mason
haste all things equal
I wouldn't sacrifice a whole lot of item level
to get more of it tho
like, equal item level you want haste
uncut fractal
oh ok
frosty wedge
I'd go down 5ilvl for haste probably
uncut fractal
I've got a 350 vers mastery vs a 340 haste vers
frosty wedge
otherwise you're losing too much armor/str
frosty wedge
oh, ring then the 340
uneven mason
sockets on rings are ~ 10 item levels
uncut fractal
socket with str?I've used haste so far
frosty wedge
+40 str
uneven mason
you can only have 1 str gem
chilly brook
When you still don’t get haste gear and are stuck eternally with 8% haste baseline
uncut fractal
Okay
frosty wedge
for sure, I just hate how slow/clunky it feels
chilly brook
I think
uncut fractal
So now that blockades shuffles based on haste we should stack haste even more
uneven mason
whats yoru other ring btw Rhastalord :p
frosty wedge
so nice
fresh dragon
@uneven mason yo mate u there?
prisma crane
"Fixed a bug where some shields and off-hands had a chance to Titanforge. Existing items that have dropped will not change, but new drops of these items should no longer have a chance to Titanforge."
for real?
fuckin...
fresh dragon
i'll use HS when love healt..
prisma crane
but dont specifically aim for it
prisma crane
well
fresh dragon
ill burn HS very much in M+
prisma crane
you're kiting, you can just get healed
sterile ravine
Got a 385 chest with some worst in slot traits >.> Thunderous Blast vs Reinforced Plating. Which is better to take?
fresh dragon
when im kiting im going OOR
prisma crane
also, LS would still still make that healthstone more effective
chilly brook
@fresh dragon what’d you need earlier?
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Reeeeeeeeee
fresh dragon
@chilly brook yo mate! can u check my Zul HC log? ❤
chilly brook
In a few yea
fresh dragon
dont watch from 00.27 to 00.57
chilly brook
Just drop it in #449510248579858432
fresh dragon
its a "nothing to do" part :V
sick sentinel
do I have to run my own key to 10
chilly brook
No
sick sentinel
or can we use one in the party, aka my friends
so whats the point of running my own
chilly brook
When worms clip through the basement and pull the entire dungeon
sterile ravine
Got a 385 chest with some worst in slot traits >.> Thunderous Blast vs Reinforced Plating. Which is better to take?
uncut fractal
do you guys expect some prot buffs in the near future?
fresh dragon
Marok wrote on ICY VEINS a guide with trait ranking
chilly brook
I’d like an IP buff but other than that probably nothing
uncut fractal
Do you think they will nerf our DMG?
chilly brook
They might
uncut fractal
I've got like 12k DPS on Zul xD
chilly brook
It’d be bad if they did
prisma crane
why would they nerf our dmg?
sterile ravine
Yeah I was looking there but I dont even seen Thunderous Blast listed. Must mean Reinforced Plating is the way to go (despite it being worst in slot)?
fresh dragon
@uncut fractal ofc .... if we are not shit enough blizzard isn't happy...
chilly brook
TC is like 30% of our single target damage
uncut fractal
AOE fights Avatar + TC is very strong
chilly brook
Well that’s not really true but it’s a decent amount
prisma crane
it's strong, but nowhere near nerf requirements
sick sentinel
thunderous blast isn't listed because trait rankings are mainly on survivability.
and thunderous blast is generic trait, not prot related.
fresh dragon
next patch notes will be something like:
Protection Warrior:
• -50% Thunderclap damage (fuck you assholes ahauahauah)
sterile ravine
Yeah, I guess I was wondering if the DPS increase was worth it. Ill take the Reinforced Plating 😃
fresh dragon
and in blizzard they will think "who care?"
chilly brook
@fresh dragon were you just mainly add tank for Zul?
frosty wedge
womp womp - my druid got the EXACT same cloak he's currently wearing in hsi chest
afraid to check my warr, lol
fresh dragon
i was on Zul+dogs+crusher
fresh dragon
oh and i was blessed to be a sacrifice to gods on p2
"takkero on p2 takes 2/3 stacks..... leap there and die"
frosty wedge
do we get access to lion's roar now?
clear sapphire
We don't control the warfront yet
frosty wedge
hrmm
steel mauve
In like 4 days
frosty wedge
wow really? that's kinda shitty for progression raids where people had a shot at potentially 2 extra pieces of 370 if they were alliance?
vivid sage
alliance had it first
chilly brook
They didn’t have access to the scenario however that gave the 370 @vivid sage
prisma crane
i still dont understand that warfront shit, i guess it's "fun" to wait a week while the other faction does stuff?
steel mauve
Yep, gotta wait to build resources which took about 5 or 6 days, then another 6 or 7 days so people can queue for their warfront quest, then we get the world boss
prisma crane
seems to be on a weird rotation
vivid sage
i am a lil confused about the warfront
tawny panther
Should have just set it to a 14 day resource buildup
serene shuttle
Did Blizzard realy just place the weekly chest on top of a trainer, lol
grim prism
The quest is a guaranteed drop
chilly brook
TBF you can get as many 370s as your heart desires this week
grim prism
Unlike the world boss
tawny panther
Not weekly, it's the scenario (once per turnover) gives a 370 then the world boss for a 370
tawny panther
Not sure if world boss and rates are weekly
tawny panther
Horde EU don't have it till we own it in another 6 dahs
thin mortar
how noticeable is the change to Blockades deck?
chilly brook
Dunno
grim prism
@thin mortar very, if you mean the one from a month ago
thin mortar
yeah, the haste change
serene shuttle
did they put out more hotfixes than what they had listed like last week?
thin mortar
I cant seem to get an accurate feel for it, was just looking for a 2nd opinion
chilly brook
Logs would be the best way to know @thin mortar
tawny panther
If losing stamina leaves the current hp
It's a small buff as you shuffle more cards I think
Noticeable, I doubt
prisma crane
you get healed from the deck
it's basically a buff that's as large as your haste %
so it's nice, but i'm gonna go with far from amazing
serene shuttle
where is thist Emissary of War quest?
real rover
chaning keybindings and ui really worked, my uptime of demo shout and avatar is about ~90% now in m+ @uneven mason - thanks for the input OsSloth
prisma crane
the weekly quest
serene shuttle
how is the blockades change or need more time to see it?
prisma crane
4 mythics gives a 370 piece
frosty wedge
where's that?
chilly brook
Solid oof
serene shuttle
where is the quest that gives 4 mythics = 370 loot?
prisma crane
@serene shuttle if it behaves as it's worded, just take how it worked last wk and boost it's effectiveness by your haste %
serene shuttle
adventure journal o.o
chilly brook
You’ve always been able to get the weekly quest from the adventure guide
serene shuttle
TF is an adventure journal
frosty wedge
^^
real rover
that only went live today in NA - so itll go live tomorrow in eu right?
old zephyr
Is that available in eu yet ?
chilly brook
When do your weekly quest normally start in eu?
Or better yet look at your calendar
real rover
wednesdays
chilly brook
There’s your answer
chilly brook
🤦🏻♂️
chilly brook
It’s literally every reset just like it was in legion
junior ivy
wheres the chest
chilly brook
For horde or alliance?
junior ivy
alliance
chilly brook
SoL not alliance
fresh dragon
the more shuffling thing for deck just accelerate the 4th card medium value
strong hill
@junior ivy blizz decided we had enough loot
winter skiff
my haste is at 9% is that really bad
strong hill
It seems so.
junior ivy
wtf
fresh dragon
dont complain.... im still happy that the patch notes wasnt:
• Warrior Protection lost the weeky chest coz u suck guys so don't complain
earnest zinc
I got legs that were a downgrade
junior ivy
oh
fresh dragon
+9 - 375
junior ivy
i dunno someone told me 385 😦
junior ivy
oh 😦
fresh dragon
dont worry... u still have a 380
chilly brook
Azerite +10 gear is 385
chilly brook
normal gear is not
fresh dragon
btw be happy for ur 380.. noone group me on +9 or +10
old zephyr
I shall ask rngsus for that DC azerite =)
serene shuttle
what world boss is this week?
fresh dragon
so 2morrow i will get a 370
serene shuttle
in voldun?
prisma night
yeah
frosty wedge
have fun, rofl
junior ivy
i opened chest in boralus lol
strong hill
@junior ivy must have done the average of all the keys you did last week 😝
strong hill
No fortified trash would be nice
junior ivy
buy it?
rough oracle
how is linger sporepod trinket fairing for prot right now?
undone sun
Still trash
sick sentinel
Forever trash.
sick sentinel
Shrug. They like cats?
fresh dragon
maybe they are feral druid undercover...
junior ivy
cause cats are the best
fresh dragon
the beast? 😄
surreal maple
Depends who u ask
frosty wedge
challenging, but fun to play
old zephyr
Awesome
earnest zinc
Mediocre
distant socket
I like it but I feel weak compared to other tanks
junior ivy
challenging
fathom marten
Holy shit
fathom marten
Finally replaced my 325 shield
frosty wedge
nice!
earnest zinc
In both gameplay and strength in raids
surreal maple
Gz!
frosty wedge
with a 380 from the weekly @fathom marten ?
junior ivy
in legion i felt so powerful and invincible with all my self healing, it was fun and super easy to play
junior ivy
now i dont feel invincible 😦
frosty wedge
oh nice
steady dock
It's okay I guess. But makes M+ life hard IMO. Lack of utility is quite bad. Also depending on a healer is shitty especially if you're playing with a bad one
earnest zinc
It feels like I'm tanking in dps gear
junior ivy
lol yeah
sick sentinel
Loving prot warrior. Especially for mythic+
earnest zinc
Prot is garbage in high M+
steady dock
I switched from a DK a few days ago. It's fun
earnest zinc
There are worse tanks for M+ as I know druid is worse
earnest zinc
DK is OP
old zephyr
Bring a rogue and à boomkin with you and you can do anything
earnest zinc
Especially in M+
steady dock
Just wish it was a bit more... tough?
I kind of miss the "weapons expert" vibe that was advertised in early expansions
earnest zinc
It really feels like I'm in arms spec with a shield and some tank gear at times
frosty wedge
like when you're pulling 40k DPS on trash packs? lol
steady dock
I'd imagine a way to utilize parry so that it's not that shield oriented... And perhaps remove Ignore pain because who wants to tank with a dude with CIP syndrome?
earnest zinc
I really wish they would remove IP, give us a 20% damage reduction baseline to make up for it, and give us heroic strike as a ragedump. If they really like the GCD thing, they can make it work like maul does on Guardian.
real rover
would you change any talents for m+ pushing?
am considering to take ravager for more dps
old zephyr
Am is more dps
sick sentinel
Wat
steel mauve
Uh no
real rover
ravager is more dps when you are kiting tho :<
sick sentinel
ROFL RAVAGER
earnest zinc
You are bad if you don't take AM
old zephyr
Am reduce CD on avatar and ds by so much
steel mauve
memes today?
frosty wedge
yeah AM is better in EVERY way
willow wraith
so it doomhowl really not reset for alliance?
is the cycle really supposed to be like 2 weeks ?
cloud bone
supposedly the cycle is supposed to last a month
horde contributions > horde warfront queue > ally contributions > ally warfront queue > repeat
frosty wedge
so they don't get access to doomhowl again after weekly reset?
strong hill
375 for heroic uldir pugs @junior ivy
cloud bone
nope once per ownership same with the rares
willow wraith
blows my mind that the queue phase is 7 days
junior ivy
lol better not be people askin for 375
frosty wedge
people are always asking for you to not need gear from there
in order to go tank it
:p
junior ivy
i suck at leading raids
serene shuttle
WTB group that can farm +10s for tha t370 loot 😦
junior ivy
ive only successfully done one heroic boss too
why +10s? why not +5s?
loot caps at +5 for end of dungeon loot
and weekly chest is 380 for doin a +10
plain vapor
cap should be raised now with mythic release
junior ivy
ohhhh
serene shuttle
I thought so
junior ivy
so we should be farming +10s now?
junior ivy
well i did two +11s last week
ashen flower
hello my brothers in arms , i need a little help
i got 340 engineering helm with trait "Relational Normalization Gizmo, would u go for it or for Brace for Impact ?
sick sentinel
nice
steel mauve
Its slightly buffed
ashen flower
so nobody knows?
junior ivy
grats
sick sentinel
grats!
frosty wedge
lol, grats 😄
sick sentinel
you can now tank properly 😄
next goblet
lol
frosty wedge
I got a 370 helm with DC on it from the weekly 😄
next goblet
no more getting shredded
ashen flower
i got 340 engineering helm with trait "Relational Normalization Gizmo, would u go for it or for Brace for Impact ?
next goblet
the atal'dazar shield too BiS pre uldir correct?
junior ivy
next goblet
so no chance of that yet
frosty wedge
frosty wedge
warfront cache
junior ivy
ooooo
winter skiff
will mythic 2 drop azerite gear
sick sentinel
no
frosty wedge
no mythics drop azerite gear
next goblet
me too
sick sentinel
m0s
junior ivy
is it true alliance can go kill a world boss in arathi?
frosty wedge
yeah
frosty wedge
north of stromgarde
junior ivy
ty
static pilot
If you can kill him there should be a WQ noting the location
frosty wedge
so like, right beside refuge point
earnest zinc
is 40 strength or 40 haste better?
jovial reef
str has to be better
sick sentinel
I thought I was in fury channel
earnest zinc
How do you sim for prot?
jovial reef
you don't
sick sentinel
strenght
jovial reef
sims don't exist for prot
sick sentinel
100%
jovial reef
yet
uneven mason
Ohmy I missed 2 pings cause I actually did work for once
junior ivy
should i go around lkilling all the yellow stars i see in arathi?
dusk kiln
Why does my 320 blood dk have substantially more hp than my 343 prot war? =[
uneven mason
Because BDKs are designed to have large HP pools
sick sentinel
because we do not need health
uneven mason
While warriors are designed to have big balls
uneven mason
Why does it feel bad?
sick sentinel
but you will feel good when you take a HC terrible thrash and take only 40k damage
junior ivy
for anyone
brazen sequoia
kind sucks that I have to top shield wall or last stand at every mythic pack as 352
uneven mason
@junior ivy Arathi world bosses reset with the Warfront cycle
junior ivy
so is that a yes or no to me killinhg the yellow stars?
uneven mason
Fernan warriors are designed around cycling CDs, we have more of them than any other tank, and they're available more often, I mean, other tanks CDs are double to triple the reuse ours are and do less.
earnest zinc
Anyone know if Rainbow Shell Pendant works in raids?
uneven mason
I mean, do people think warriors feel bad because they look at the raw HP numbers and not apply math to them?
fresh dragon
well. to be honest other class has less cd coz THEY NEED less cd
sick sentinel
I have CDs almost permanently
steel mauve
We dont need a ton of hp when we mitigate every thing
uneven mason
They're not designed for CD Takkero
steel mauve
They need more hp because of the damage they take
uneven mason
They're designed to take double the damage we do
fresh dragon
lets talk about ZUL HC P2 for example
uneven mason
Use shield wall
fresh dragon
paladin can selft remove DOT
frosty wedge
@junior ivy get anything from doom's howl?
steel mauve
And theres a difference in needing cds and designed around cds
supple path
Warrior lack of self-healing + utility is rough, just makes them inferior on a lot of stuff.
fresh dragon
shield wall last 8 sec.. the dot last 18 seconds
uneven mason
BTW you can have a holy (or ret) paladin remove the DOT
fresh dragon
and we got 2 round of stack in 60 second
frosty wedge
that seems... wrong
uneven mason
BoP removes it
steel mauve
We're not that inferior...
supple path
There's a difference between inferior and incapable mind
uneven mason
Also, if you're dying at 2 stacks, have a chat with your healers, the DOT sucks
but proper play we still take less damage overall
But yeah Zul hurts
know what hurts paladins
Every other fucking boss
frosty wedge
lol
prisma crane
IP
steel mauve
Idk a lot of healers i get in mythic plus prefer healing me over the other classes they heal
uneven mason
I mean IP works on it (marignally)
But Yes, one fight out of the zone really sucks for warriors
But then you have Fetid which most other tanks basically require cheese levels of CDs for where we eat Thrash with Shield block
digital arrow
Oh shit doom car reset today? Time to kill it and get no loot yay
uneven mason
I don't think it reset
ember arrow
fetid is nerfed
steel mauve
If you already killed the world boss it isnt reset
ember arrow
tanks dont matter anymore
digital arrow
Ohh well fuck
uneven mason
wellthen
digital arrow
I thought it reset on Tuesdays damn
steel mauve
Its not weekly, its control based, it will only give loot next time alliance get it
prisma crane
when did it get nerfed
uneven mason
Oh
ember arrow
27 man AKA mythic dmg
brazen sequoia
So Vengeance or Booming voice for dungeons?
steel mauve
They nerfed the scaling on thrash like thursday or friday
brazen sequoia
ty
uneven mason
There is zero variation in Protections talents Fernan
sick sentinel
I go devastator lol
uneven mason
you have fun with that
digital arrow
🤔
frosty wedge
...
brazen sequoia
tried devestator. Gives me anxiety x
uneven mason
Devastator - when they can't see the sign you're wearing
8% DPS gain single target, 20% RPS loss HELL YA
brazen sequoia
Guess Devestator could work on a boss without adds
sick sentinel
I literally can not play the spec without it
steel mauve
Bv is pretty much always better regardless of adds
uneven mason
🤔 Like, you become crippled by having to press Devastate once or twice a minute?
prisma crane
@sick sentinel you really dont hit deva very often
prisma crane
i still hate it, but i use deva very little
steel mauve
And if you need the resets devastate is still less of a cd, 1.5 sec gcd to a 2.6 second swing timer
sick sentinel
I might actually be doing something wrong
uneven mason
the difference between not pressing devastate and taking devastator is that not pressing devastate gives you more rage than devastator
(with BV of course)
fleet ridge
does it really?
steel mauve
And tclap and revenge proc resets, considering devastator doesnt innately give rage you waste more time with it
fleet ridge
hitting devastate is exausting
uneven mason
since most of your SnB procs from Devastator will be overwritten/overwrite a SnB proc from Rev/TC
you gain very little
steel mauve
You really dont devestate
uneven mason
occasionally you'll win the lotto and get a back to back SS
but the 20% chance on swing
steel mauve
Like they said, basically a couple times a minute
uneven mason
I mean, it IS a single target DPS gain
fleet ridge
no it's good; but im saying; the biggest rage generation; seems like that wrong for the spec
uneven mason
it makes pressing DS worthwhile
fleet ridge
i mean true
uneven mason
feel beefy
steel mauve
You just lose a ton of ss resets woth destator since you realistically cant ss every time devastator procs it, where as you only gain from bv
fleet ridge
right
uneven mason
I mean, if they nerfed BV
than you might see Devastator be better in some situations
but TBH I enjoy having that quick tag with Devastate
its rage free - if SS and TC are on CD
having a swift tag ability somehow feels better than not
I mean, Devastator was the go to in Legion because it was a RPS machine
its not a real RPS generator now
plain ice
devastate is my favorite button to press. very rewarding
steel mauve
They nerfed it to no longer give rage on procs or melee whichever it did
steel mauve
So thats why its worse now
uneven mason
and they reduced the SnB chance from 30% to 20%
steel mauve
I could see it making a come back if that was reverted
uncut fractal
damn p2 zul hc is a nightmare
jovial reef
devastator was fun and thus had to be nerfed
uneven mason
yeah
uneven mason
So right now, Zul is horrifying on P2
because chances are you're spending too long in P1
rocky plank
is a +15 ilvl upgrade Azerite piece always better ? regardless of traits. Assuming I still have Deafening Crash
uneven mason
item level is king yes
uncut fractal
we're saving hero at 40%
steel mauve
Yes
steel mauve
The only thing is your one dc is worth 25 ilvl loss
uneven mason
he gains increasing damage the logner he's in P1
rocky plank
Reinforced Plating or Laser Matrix guys ?
uncut fractal
really?
jovial reef
faster p1 and hopefully a flawless transition (no adds) makes p2 cake
uneven mason
The raid will receive one stack of Corrupted Blood per 5 energy Zul has passively generated over the course of phase one.
that is a stacking DoT
that will just basically ruin your healers (so they can't heal the tanks)
weak zephyr
Do you guys use Rallying Cry often? It's like an ability I have on my bars but I never use 99.99% of the time.
daring marlin
There needs to be more azerite pieces with DC on it lol
distant socket
I use it pre emptively just to lighten the load on healers, otherwise it just wouldnt be used at all
stark sage
its a raid survival cooldown, and very powerful if timed well @weak zephyr use in times of high raid damage
distant socket
I love it
sick sentinel
you use it to help your healers so they can heal you
jovial reef
usually you have the raidleader call for rallies like other healing cds
sick sentinel
or use it for personal use 😄
jovial reef
if not then use it smartly when you see people are low
weak zephyr
Huh. Noice. Thx m9s 👌
uneven mason
I stack it with Last stand for that extra loving
grim prism
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uneven mason
We're extremely strong, mitigate insane amounts of damage - very high skill ceiling
if you fuck up as a warrior you'll probably die
if you don't fuck up you'll be a healers dream
fleet ridge
you can't make mistakes pretty much
sick sentinel
I see. Been tanking as warr since launch but still see verry little prot war
fleet ridge
if you fuck up, you get trucked
uneven mason
You can thank the general clickbait ranking videos during beta for that
frosty wedge
Sco ><
uneven mason
Nah, I mean, not even Sco
frosty wedge
Fair,I mean, Sco ranked all the tanks super close
but people look at the fact that he didn't even bother to level his warriors
and assume we're garbage
uneven mason
Sco didn't even say we were bad "or shit tier" he just basically said we didn't have anything to offer over the other tanks, and that we were behind in utility, that was prior to some of our buffs as well
He has a 120 warrior iirc
frosty wedge
he didn't as of a few days ago
frosty wedge
but that may have changed - he had a BrM, pally, and druid up
uneven mason
You can play BrM with a broken arm
uneven mason
and have an easier time than playing prot
frosty wedge
yerp, it's a faceroll tank
uneven mason
BrM is like "Oh I took leathal damage 4 seconds ago, I guess I'll purify now"
frosty wedge
I'm mostly leveling mine b/c other than me my m+ group is all leather
so gearing will be way easier
frosty wedge
yeah, we're proactive, and I like that
dark junco
^
fleet ridge
i like that too; but that's why people think warriors are shit; not enough proactive players
if you aren't proactive as a warrior; you die; any other class; you can use something to save yourself for the most part
frosty wedge
yeah, exactly
uneven mason
Or you get the ones that pull and then scramble slapping both SB charges and LS when their health drops low
then die mid pull
frosty wedge
haha yeah
fleet ridge
-_-
frosty wedge
or charge, then ava, then DS, then SB+ tclap and wonder why a DPS is dead already
fleet ridge
-_-
frosty wedge
haha yeah
weary notch
I just wish it were easier to kite on war. Kiting on BrM, DK or Pally is too easy
fleet ridge
if both were off the GCD would make life so much better
uneven mason
intercept to a ranged leap you got like, 15 seconds before those mobs reach you
weary notch
try that in motherlode while skipping packs. Pally and BrM and DK can kite in little circles
we need room
uneven mason
you understand that DPS can snare too ya?
like
I have 2 pocket frost mages
or a fury warrior that I run with
weary notch
yeah, but with the other tanks they don't have to do that. Pally can stay out of reach of mobs almost 100% of the time without assistance
static pilot
You cant always have the ideal comp, it that doesnt slow down other tanks but it's a problem for warriors then something is off
uneven mason
It doesn't slow down 2 other tanks
static pilot
that said, as long as you have at least one ranged that understands intervene and you have a decent leap target kiting is manageable
uneven mason
I mean, VDH need room to kite (and die if thye get in melee of big pulls)
static pilot
if you go with 3 melee and a holy paladin there's just nothing to intervene to
steel mauve
How boring would it be if every tank could do every thing and there was literally no difference between them all
frosty wedge
if you go with 3 melee and a holy pally you're going to have a bad time anyway
weary notch
yes, so do druids, but like I already said, pally, brm and DK have it too easy
clear sapphire
Why I have a pocket priest who can grip me if needed :0
weary notch
pally especially
steel mauve
Just because another tank can do some thing we cant doesnt mean we have to as well, and there are usually ways to work around it
stark wraith
How boring would it be if no one wants your class cuz it doesn’t offer more than it’s peers
static pilot
- every tank can do everything
- there was literally no difference between them at all
these are two different targets, and you can reach one without the other
weary notch
you have to kite necrotic. Full stop
static pilot
how do you drop necrotic stacks without kiting as a warrior?
frosty wedge
I think the kiting thing is only being brought up because Necrotic is cancer
stark wraith
Problem of warrior is clunkiness not effectiveness
next goblet
lifespeed is like our best 2nd ring isnt it? the one that gives haste
steel mauve
Ive never been declined from a mythic plus, and still get asked a lot in guild and by friends to tank keys... so i dont run into the problem of not being wanted because of class
frosty wedge
I don't feel clunky at all really - but I have like 20% base haste
exotic spoke
Why wouldn't you kite on necrotic?
stark wraith
Do you raid mythic?
stark wraith
There’s only like 50 warrs that cleared heroic as prot
next goblet
lol
exotic spoke
Sorry Ikarikaz - misread. May have been up to late binging Jack Ryan
uneven mason
That's because people who push content tend to go with meta tanks
sick sentinel
my guild is running double prot war
frosty wedge
@stark wraith that is more a diproduct of stigma than ability
stark wraith
Simply cuz guilds don’t wanna give prot a chance even tho it’s fine
Oh yeah I agree
uneven mason
Most are going to be running Pal BrM
frosty wedge
byproduct*
next goblet
prot would be amazing if IP came off the GCD
weary notch
it's not IP
uneven mason
Well no, @stark wraith its basically because when you're trying for world firsts
next goblet
oh i know that.. our utility
weary notch
pally and brm are amazing because even with no AM up (brm has AM up 100% of the time), you're gonna survive it
uneven mason
You take whatever gives you the most wiggleroom
Well, Paladin won't survive
but paladin has a lot of cheese options
frosty wedge
BRM is just smoother and more predictable helaing
static pilot
utility, block uptime, self sustain, plenty of things to look at atm
signal plover
You take whatever gives you the most predictable dmg intake*
uneven mason
BrM is amazingly forgiving
grim prism
Basically prot just takes more effort to play well
uneven mason
you can fuck up big time as BrM
static pilot
warrior is the vindictive mother-in-law of tanks
uneven mason
and laugh it off
PRot if you fuck up, its a wipe
or you're burning a Bres
they dont like that
exotic spoke
That's the truth
uneven mason
it takes an amazing amount of focus to play optimally
static pilot
that's fine, there's crazy people everywhere. I'm sure someone gets along with the MIL too
weary notch
it wouldn't hurt prot to get a slight armor buff, just for those moments when everything is on CD
uneven mason
armor isn't our issue
its like
the farthest thing from our issue
our issue is we have nearly no "oopsie" padding
stark wraith
I personally want ranged physical attacks to be blocks Le
grim prism
Well yeah thats why he said armor
weary notch
armor is oopsie padding. Everthing melees
stark wraith
Blockable*
static pilot
armor is conditional padding - magic bypasses it completely
strong hill
Slight health buff? Gives us more cushion for stuff we can’t block
static pilot
big health pool is universal padding
uneven mason
^^
sick sentinel
just make TC slow for more
grim prism
Ranged physical attacks are still blockable iirc, just not the ones from caster mobs that channel "shoot"
uneven mason
What we need is a better way to deal with DoTs
which is why the other tanks are more forgiving
weary notch
we need something that evens the gap between when our AM is on CD vs when it isn't
static pilot
true Balsaq, it varies wildly from mob to mob
uneven mason
larger HP pools mean healers have wider margins of error
weary notch
maybe straight dmg reduction, then
static pilot
or blockable ^^
stark wraith
Are there any other ranged physicals other than shoot and charged shot? I don’t think I remember any
grim prism
The core of the problem is that IP is poorly tuned
strong hill
Make ignore pain reduce dots by an extra amount ?
uneven mason
yeah IP is at base, weak
stark wraith
Idk tho
frosty wedge
IP could shield and also clear a debuff
grim prism
That ties into lack of dot mitigation, clunkiness, and rage management all at once
uneven mason
I was really hoping to see a 60% or so jump in its AP coefficient
frosty wedge
that'd be dope
green isle
that would be stupidly broken
grim prism
Yeah lol
frosty wedge
meh, monks can self dispell
weary notch
I was assuming there would be a little tank tuning before mythic. Instead, nothing
sick sentinel
make it scale better with versa
static pilot
so can pallies and I think druids(?)
uneven mason
it scales really well with vers already
static pilot
me too Brunhilda, I was surprised there was zero tweaks on tanks
uneven mason
it needs a bigger oomph from just raw overall Ilvl
which is taking its 3.5 ap multiplier to 5
static pilot
I was expecting monks to take a slight hit, maybe tweak bonestorm for DKs
sick sentinel
well they can technically buff bloodspout
grim prism
Putting IP somewhere between 50% and 90% would feel infinitely better than either extreme
stark wraith
Our mitigation costs resources tho, ^glares at Dh and BrM*
grim prism
I cant even count how many times ive had to waste rage on a capped-out IP just for sake of Anger Mgmt
uneven mason
Nah at this point Balsaq I'm firmly in the arena of "IP needs to be bigger" since 80% of what kills us is DoT damage
DoT damage that hits harder than the bosses physical melee swings
static pilot
I think we can all agree that warrior could do with some work...?
stark wraith
Only dog that is lethal is anything that sr and sb can’t mitigate
uneven mason
literally all we need is IP to be a bit bigger
grim prism
Yeah it could benefit from some tuning
stark wraith
Dmg*
static pilot
everybody has different ideas of what exactly should be changed but overall the class is not in a terribly good place atm compared to other tanks
uneven mason
Its in an amazing place
grim prism
Its not in an amazing place either
green isle
amazing is a bit of an overstatement
weary notch
it's just a lot more work to get the same result as other tanks
uneven mason
I'm just grumbling about the one fight that almost assuridly I'm going to be yelling at my healers about this week 😃
fleet ridge
why did they change IP not to be a shield; like midigate 100% of the IP buff
uneven mason
Its not an overstatement tho, I'm loving prot
fleet ridge
it's like 50/50 now right?
static pilot
I think some Quality of Life changes would go a long way - Last Stand giving an actual shield block so you dont have to fight muscle memory and waste charges, DS off cooldown so your opener isnt quite so clunky
that kind of thing
uneven mason
I just want to not get chunked in 1 tick from an unavoidable source of damage
green isle
just because you're enjoying it doesn't make it an amazing tank
you can still enjoy things and accept their flaws
static pilot
that'll raise the floor a bit
grim prism
@fleet ridge it hasnt been that way since Mo0 when it was still Shield Barrier
weary notch
I want something else to help mob control in M+
static pilot
a KB or something would be beautiful for sanguine
uneven mason
I suppose having our silencing throw back would be nice 😄
fleet ridge
@balaq I thought at the start of legion; it was a full absorb?
fleet ridge
sorry @grim prism
static pilot
apart from LOS
grim prism
@fleet ridge nope
weary notch
yes, I was thinking that exactly, @uneven mason
stark wraith
Gag order and shattering throw
uneven mason
just gag order
grim prism
90% absorb, which is what it was all expac
static pilot
in Legion IP blocked 90% of incoming damage, there was a trickle that went through
exotic spoke
I miss shattering throw and gag order
stark wraith
Shatter for pvp off
exotic spoke
shatter in pvp was great
static pilot
but with wrists giving us a trickle heal and Inspiring Presence we also had better self heal
fleet ridge
@grim prism Got it, 90% absorb is still way better then 50% now. I just want some type of self healing; having the bracers and leveling was great; and losing them was such a huge hit
would be nice to have something like that baked into the spec
static pilot
thing is, 90% absorb was good because it was big enough to last for a while
fleet ridge
basically can't heal at all now when soloing; which I think all other tanks can
exotic spoke
@fleet ridge We aren't supposed to be a recovery tank. We're a mitigation tank.
stark wraith
90 now would be bad tho cuz we can’t stack ips as high
static pilot
IP pool atm is so small it would be scratched off in a GCD
weary notch
Inspiring Presence didn't heal us. Apparently we're incapable of inspiring ourselves
grim prism
Well, 90% absorb at the current absorb amount would feel like shit
Two ticks and its gone
static pilot
IP didnt affect the warrior with the talent? Are you sure?
fleet ridge
True
weary notch
I'm sure
exotic spoke
Also, how can't you heal? Pull a bunch of mob and AOE them all down - victory rushing towards the end.
What are you trying to do as solo content where that isn't enough?