Looks like warriors are a pure dps class in mythic raids
#protection
earnest zinc
sick sentinel
dunno where to look for info
earnest zinc
No buffs when it was obvious we were failing
summer kestrel
it is cool in it's own way to be the underdog
vocal nimbus
Nothing is obvious and prot warr isnt failing
summer kestrel
it's not like we are pure thrash
vocal nimbus
Carry on
tawny panther
Wait the 1 time you get to use belf racial, that shits amazing , unless you meant in KR exclusively?
sick sentinel
if DPS is better though, definitely manageable.
Necrotic was main issue, stuff not dying fast enough.
ember arrow
what do you guys mean
1 time?
belf is best race for m+ because of the racial
alot of magical buffs can be purged from adds in various instances
tawny panther
@old dawn said he uses belf racial once. My point was that belf racials the bygone bees knees
@old dawn said he uses belf racial once. My point was that belf racials the bygone bees knees
old dawn
^
I meant KR
I was making a joke about that one pack of Minions of Zul
where you can just evaporate them as belf
summer kestrel
@sick sentinel I went there with a disc priest
tawny panther
That single one when fight zul lol
summer kestrel
those mobs hit like a truck and it was "if I go below 50% im dead"
old dawn
lol
dark junco
Well as a warrior its easy anyway: use berserker rage, heroic leap into the pact, tclap and pretty much gg
sick sentinel
yeah minions werent an issue.
topaz badger
It's strange, when i look at dmg taken I take a lot less dmg from melee, but alot more dmg from other sources compared to a dh tank, in the end its about the same overall dmg taken though.
tawny panther
Shouldn't you charge in then leap out
old dawn
Honestly , yea, I really like my racial
sick sentinel
as a warrior + tank
sinful surge
Hi guys, so there's no tank balancing patch this week ? I really hope I'm wrong
dark junco
I intervene away most of the time
strong hill
@manic perch I was about to log off last night and a guildie asked if anyone wanted to do a m+ kings rest
summer kestrel
xDDDDDDDDD
sick sentinel
no tank balancing.
dark junco
Old habit from legion
tawny panther
True, I play my protadin more now past week so forgot intervene wasn't charge for a minute lol
frosty wedge
yeah, 0 tank balancing as of yet
dark junco
Hahahahahhaha @strong hill
vocal nimbus
No need to balance whats balanced
uneven mason
@earnest zinc What part of prot is failing beyond us having the highest skill ceiling of all the tanks by an order of magnitude (I mean, VDH are the worst tank by far right now, but they're so easy to play that it covers a lot of that up)
sick sentinel
mouseover intercept too good.
sinful surge
So sad, my guild will make me switch to my bdk
topaz badger
OMG that 1 trash room after first boss in Kings rest is nearly untankable, I'm running away more than actually tanking
uneven mason
Because they don't understand how tanking works hehe
vocal nimbus
Warrior for raids is at the same or even superior level than BDK @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
because every new gen players wants ez ez @old dawn
dark junco
yeah had to take a hardline, cause they wanted me to switch
tawny panther
Tank balancing is needed bit less a numbers buffing game (IP larger tho plz) and more we need a tweak
To design
sinful surge
@vocal nimbus I know that, but they don't ^^
summer kestrel
maybe because ignore pain is garbage
uneven mason
Warrior and BDK are actually almost 100% balanced vs eachother in general, we deal with massive melee damage far better though
vocal nimbus
Unlucky
uneven mason
Its just easier to cover mistakes on a BDK
dark junco
I’d love to get our 50 slow back in pve
uneven mason
Spec Dragons Roar -
dark junco
Like bfk has it as a pool on the ground
tawny panther
I dislike the clunkiness, if we avatar for TC spam we can't utilise our shield block and ss relationship etc. Feels dodgy
dark junco
Can we be able to spam ours please
old dawn
😓
uneven mason
0_o What part of TC stops you from using SB/SS?
manic perch
LOL @strong hill best decision ever 😛
summer kestrel
dragons roar should be baseline
uneven mason
infact you tend to have more SS to use during SB with avatar/TC
summer kestrel
or something, I don't care about anything else
uneven mason
It was Link - they reduced the snare on TC to 20%
summer kestrel
I just want an slow
uneven mason
we used to have 50% snare
We do - its just not 50%
Imagine a world where we had UF/CT and TC was 50% slow
sinful surge
They want me to switch to my bdk because it can be more selfreliant than warrior, and can cover the healer's sleepiness
uneven mason
Kite for dayz
tawny panther
The extra uses of TC trying to utilise your ss benefit from.sb whilst using ignore pain just doesn't feel right and overlapping itself
sinful surge
I was really hoping for an IP buff
tawny panther
During ava
old dawn
Warrior makes the healers job way easier
uneven mason
self healing != having higher EHP
old dawn
if it's played correctly
tawny panther
Also demo shout and ip can't really follow,just more clunk in the trunk
uneven mason
Like, they heal 30% of damage back, but only mitigate 35% of it
tawny panther
Not an issue, but doesn't feel good
uneven mason
we mitigate 75% of the damage who's better off?
old dawn
^
tawny panther
The bdk apparently if trust sco
old dawn
Ikari has it right. We have incredibly high EHP.
sinful surge
Trust sco ? Who does that 😄
tawny panther
Hey I said if
sinful surge
Yeah I know ^^
uneven mason
There are some spots where BDK is incredibly ahead
ember arrow
@topaz badger tanking high keys = kiting 90%
uneven mason
like - Zul
summer kestrel
don't be overly optimistic
ember arrow
Moreso than legion
sweet kettle
And if you fuck up you are dead
uneven mason
tanking zul on a BDK was night and day vs warrior
old dawn
i love my warrior i'm not being optimistic.
tawny panther
I don't think warrior is great, it's usable tho
old dawn
there's a difference between optimistic and positive.
tawny panther
Not as doom n gloom as everyone makes out
sinful surge
But honestly, warrior is not at its best rn. When you take big hits on a bdk and can juste use DS it feels so good. Whereas on warrior, if you take a hit you just have to pray that your healer is not sleeping.
uneven mason
There is unrealistic optimism and then there is just literally understanding how MATH works
uneven mason
Warrior is not shit, we're tippy top in a lot of situations though, we just have a REALLY high skill ceiling, playing us at this "optimal I pwn mitigation" level is exhausting
sinful surge
Not on magic dmg though
uneven mason
Monks are only a few % behind us in 99% of situations and are MUCH more forgiving
depends on the magic damage
summer kestrel
actually I love reflecting spells
dark junco
Thats why i love dranei
tawny panther
Paladin is like a sandy beach vacation after warrior
old dawn
why on earth am I praying that my healer is not sleeping. i know they aren't, because i don't raid/group with narcoleptics
summer kestrel
huge selling point of warr
tawny panther
Monk is refill levels of boring tho
uneven mason
Tank busters warriors are demigod level mitgation
tawny panther
Reroll
uneven mason
DoTs we're a fucking sack of burning puppies
sinful surge
@old dawn haha i'll try that next time
tawny panther
Burst magic DMG they are good too
summer kestrel
or one with less efficiency but better active time
tawny panther
But throw a ranged mob in or continuous magic damage and yes that's unfortunate puppy territory
uneven mason
Well, if they reduced the CD on shieldwall, we'd start toeing the OP line.
old dawn
they have to be careful about decreasing our cooldown length
because of Anger Management
tawny panther
Shield wall baseline?
old dawn
when we get higher levels of haste that cooldown gets shorter and shorter
summer kestrel
Anger Management makes it so we only have one oh shi- cd
uneven mason
we already have 1min CD on last stand, 20s CD on Demo shout (60% uptime)
summer kestrel
and it is on a whooping 4 min cd
tawny panther
We don't have an 9h shit button rly
tawny panther
You can have a oh shit button if you use bolster sub optimally
old dawn
the class, firing correctly at all cylinders, brings shield wall to roughly 2m cooldown
uneven mason
^
old dawn
and also greatly reduces the need for an ohshit button anyway
uneven mason
there isn't any extremely long tank swaps
brazen void
We can probably expect the demo shout uptime to improve, too
more haste, more gear with deafening crash
old dawn
I feel like during most of the raid bosses I can keep my active mitigation up 100% of the time
because by the time i'm out of mitigation and cooldowns the swap happens
tawny panther
More than 100% (basically)
brazen void
Isn't that usually the case with frequent swaps? Been for a long while
old dawn
in M+ we have the added benefit of just being wrecking balls
brazen void
our m+ damage is so, so pretty
summer kestrel
but for pushing keys errr
old dawn
i mean, warrior was the first +16 iirc
summer kestrel
not saying that it can't be done
tawny panther
Not sure I can leave behind slowsecration after playing pally in m+
old dawn
when you're pushing keys right now and not making timers, the tank doesn't matter.
tawny panther
Yeah cos they spent half a day in it lol
grim prism
That four-hour +16 lol
summer kestrel
when talking about those crazy guys pushing like crazy class matters a lot less
grim prism
Granted I saw a ten-hour +10 so i guess it could be worse
tawny panther
Pug power
dark junco
Yeah i’d need a frostmage tbh
grim prism
Hold up
old dawn
my wife plays frost mage so that's not even a joke
grim prism
Class matters a lot LESS when pushing super high keys?
old dawn
right now
grim prism
[Citation needed]
old dawn
when you're doing the super high keys
dark junco
We did a 1h45 mins +10, but had one of out friend dc for 35 lol
old dawn
because you just cc all the adds
tawny panther
I am le curious
summer kestrel
no @grim prism
brazen void
lots of kiting too
dark junco
At least in raid we don’t have a shit like Krosus and Star Augur all again
tawny panther
Yet
dark junco
100% magic damage screw your stats priority
summer kestrel
class matter A LOT LESS when you are the cookie cutter and you have the A TEAM with you
that's why Im saying that
dark junco
So DH and priest
old dawn
I was talking about specifically tank class, not the rest of the group
summer kestrel
I didn't say that, but I know you don't want to get it so ok
dark junco
class matter a lot less when you being the A team
grim prism
How would you define "cookie cutter A-team"
dark junco
The A team being best class?
dark junco
^
summer kestrel
the A Team being cookie cutters like you
sweaters? tryhards? don't know the right word
grim prism
Tryhards are only successful when they bring the right tools and use them optimally
old dawn
i'm probably too casual to be called a tryhard
grim prism
Otherwise they are forum-shitters like everyonr else
summer kestrel
anyway, when you have the ultracoordinated team with all fronts taken into account with all the dungeons planned to the inch
bring whatever
they would bring the best classes anyway
sick sentinel
Did a +8 Underrot yesterday. With 3 melees (first guildies to whisper me)
dark junco
Really helps to have the same m+ team almost all the time tho
sick sentinel
Was totally fine. I fucked up twice and we made +1
dark junco
Like playing with same peeps
grim prism
They would be a lot less successful "just playing whatever"
old dawn
🙏
old dawn
it's beautifully disgusting
summer kestrel
they still would be a lot more succesful than anyone
sick sentinel
Was fine completing it, but was harder than it had to be
old dawn
but man it's tough
dark junco
Must be a masochist and I’m in denial
sick sentinel
HoV was beauty
old dawn
Underrot just has the tick pulls
dark junco
Them bad group disbanding on odyn cause they can’t make it
old dawn
that make me scare
sick sentinel
Ticks killed me like 4 times...
dark junco
At the end of the instance 1h later on high keys lol
dark junco
Loved soloing tyrannical bosses tbh back in legion
sick sentinel
Bracers are gone, so ...
brazen void
<shudders at the memories of those ticks' dots>
dark junco
Peeps in awe when you were soloing like last boss from CoS
Fond memories of op bracers + t20-t21
frosty wedge
I swear a shudder whenever anyone mentioned ticks
did like, a 7 underrot
those things are the worst.
dark junco
Odyn only issue was the adds
summer kestrel
pray that they die on the burst
astral crystal
they're not that awful
we pulled them by mistake once
just get initial aggro and kite
tawny panther
I just don't pull ticks in underrot
dark junco
How do you guys kill the first pact wothout sying? Like we have stuns and all
tawny panther
Group kills themselves
dark junco
Just doesn’t seem to do it
astral crystal
interrupts and CDs
grim prism
Tclap, shockwave, rev, walk away
uneven mason
You don't pull it?
brazen void
We certainly can do that, Dan, but I have little success doing that in pugs
uneven mason
bring people with IQs greater than 10 wh owon't facepull shit
brazen void
because you gotta zigzag a bit in your pull route
frosty wedge
oh for sure, but like, I ava, charge+sb, tc, ds, tc, leap out and have like 15 stacks of necrotic.
strong hill
@dark junco soloing the 2nd boss in maw of souls from 35% -0 cause people didn’t get the scythe mechanic was always fun
grim prism
Congrats youve killed the whole pack of ticks with only three stacks of dot
dark junco
No
grim prism
Its okay to kite, people
dark junco
The small ticks
astral crystal
oh yeah you dont pull that
tawny panther
Don't ticks explode though and wipe group when they aoe it together
dark junco
How do you guys don’t pull it
tawny panther
You go right kral
dark junco
Yo go in the middle?
dark junco
Big wurm thingy?
tawny panther
If you see ticks, any time, go right
brazen void
the little ones
dark junco
I was just accepting my fate to die each time
brazen void
That dot is an abomination XD
dark junco
But aleight will try right next time
tawny panther
Aka at start go right, and after first boss, go right :D
dark junco
Can DID clease it?
old dawn
there's two packs of ticks
old dawn
💦
frosty wedge
oh I always skip the first two packs
grim prism
AoE ticks, CC, kite
old dawn
there's a pack of ticks
frosty wedge
pull the maggot, then mother, then the middle platform
old dawn
and then a pack of ticks to the right of them
sick sentinel
fetid was also really easy lol
old dawn
i'm gonna follow dans plan and just
sick sentinel
I tanked 100% of the thrashes no prob
dark junco
Alright will try that
summer kestrel
first one to the left everyone has his cds and such
old dawn
faceplant into the moldy wall
tawny panther
Never had a problem with the Lasher's tbh
summer kestrel
should be easy enough to kill
sick sentinel
Found out yesterday, that sometimes you can just AoE shit, kite it away and let your group pass. hughe time safer on some packs
summer kestrel
and if you die at least you appear there
grim prism
Dont bother with any of the ticks before first boss
sick sentinel
double warmother f.e.
old dawn
i maintanked on Fetid and let our monk tank the thrashes
uneven mason
Monks are solid at Thrash
strong hill
Lol we’re learning something new. I always thought you had to pull one side or the other at the start of underot
frosty wedge
never a problem with lashers, always with people trying to facetank swarmers when they get focused
old dawn
because in the first pull, one of the thrashes clipped me on a minor mistake on my part
and i got hit for like
uneven mason
that is one situation where monks are weaker than us, Fetid's normal melee will chunk them
old dawn
200k
uneven mason
because its so fast
old dawn
and we decided that the monk should take the thrashes
main tanking i was fine the whole time though thanks to them blocks
uneven mason
Mind, we're probably better than monks at the Thrashes too hah
but thats our niche - massive blockable attacks
old dawn
yeet
tawny panther
Hang on you can skip both the worm and ticks at start of underrot?
uneven mason
in theory
summer kestrel
so risky
brazen void
Never tried both
sick sentinel
if you stack mastery you take like 40k damage from the thrash
brazen void
but the worm is so harmless on a simple, clean pull
tawny panther
I'll take the worm over a risk
uneven mason
Yeah I Mean
I clear the area to the ramp, clear down the one ramp and then pull the ricks
because
fucking DPS aggro them 100% if they release
brazen void
That's a little more dumb than i'm willing to accomodate
uneven mason
eh wanted trash pull %
brazen void
It's not even tricky, it's just "go to one side of the path"
dark junco
Yeah but so many peeps ass pull
uneven mason
I think when I skipped it I had to pull 1 extra worm otw down to finish up trash
dusky pollen
anyone know if they have any azerite trait weights for prot yet? i understand they have pages that discuss the gear, i'm curious for addons like azerite forge / etc
uneven mason
Hunter or warlock = good luck skipping anything.
no weights, just priority fostot
"rankings"
as it were
brazen void
I have seen forst mages accidentally pull things 40yds away with some azerite trait. Fun times.
astral crystal
i miss nelth's fury
vale basalt
Guys anyone knows about a list of reflectable shit in dungeons?
summer kestrel
anything that has "bolt"
astral crystal
FeelsBadMan
summer kestrel
and others
static pilot
3, wasn't it?
astral crystal
oh yeah 3
brazen void
I just try to reflect everything and take note XD
summer kestrel
when I knew you can reflect Ghuun dot I was sooooo happy
vale basalt
Agreed lol
sick sentinel
YOU CAN?
vale basalt
Using spell reflect lol
brazen void
😮
prisma night
do you have to do it prior to it being applied or when it expires?
cuz sometimes its automatic to be applied isnt it?
old zephyr
there is a very short cast
prisma night
so prior to application
i guess i just never saw the cast since im doing the orb running solo
tawny panther
@ember arrow where, looks like a tiny path when in there right at portal?
junior lichen
when is it worth loosing stats on rings and getting higher ilvl
dusky pollen
typically 10+ ilvl > stats
strong hill
@uneven mason I take it you’ve had warlocks randomly face pulling stuff too ?
dusky pollen
depending on how much stats of course
undone dove
Maybe the wrong forum, but anyone have a keybind and weak auras setup they love for prot? Tanking for the first time this expansion and am wanting to improve.
dark junco
Using wago ones
uneven mason
Any pet class will face pull garbage Kindre
uneven mason
Demonology warlocks are horrifyingly bad
since their imps are nearly uncontrollable
steel mauve
I make my own weakauras, and my keybinds are weird 😛
uneven mason
and will just shoot something random 500 yards away that the warlock happened to target by accident
dark junco
I use a g600, so my keybinds are weird too
uneven mason
Hunters in general though, the ones that use the 1 button macro or barrage
enrage me
earnest zinc
Anyone have a general idea of stat weights?
steel mauve
No stat weights
earnest zinc
I don't need an exact number
vale basalt
Nah but stack that haste as much as u can
undone dove
Interesting... Is there a very popular prot warrior weak auras setup? And when did ignore pain come off global cooldown?
earnest zinc
Just in the ballpark
undone sun
@undone dove it didn't
steel mauve
There is no way to give an even ballpark stat weight, its impossible
Its literally ilvl > haste > every thing else
dark junco
@undone dove I can whisp you my weakaura string in few minutes
undone dove
@dark junco thanks!
dark junco
But its legit 99% the same as wago
earnest zinc
I'm guessing:
Strength = 1
Haste = 0.85
Versatility = 0.7
Mastery = 0.6
Crit = 0.3
dark junco
Just moved the bars to the side
steel mauve
No
earnest zinc
Crit seems to suck the big one
vale basalt
Nah strength is not that strong
dark junco
^
steel mauve
Str is less than every thing else
vale basalt
Haste u want haste
earnest zinc
There is no way it's worse than crit
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vale basalt
Then vers or mastery doesnt matter
dark junco
Haste is above str, vers mastery and str prob on same level
steel mauve
Ilvl > haste > mastery >= vers > crit > str > stam
dark junco
Crit is not trash tier
earnest zinc
Crit seems ok in M+
undone sun
follow a stat priority and be happy
steel mauve
Crit is extremely close to every other stat, they all are
dark junco
Crit also gives decent parry now
rare cradle
is there anything i can do now in BFA to increase my magic defense?
undone sun
crit definitely got more valuable when we lost BC
dark junco
But useless on some things like Trash
rare cradle
Trinket? trait?
earnest zinc
The problem is parry is RNG
undone sun
at least offensively
old zephyr
More hastz/vers
undone sun
defensively is still trash ¯_(ツ)_/¯
steel mauve
Use IP and spell reflect intelligently
old zephyr
Bllodsport might help
dark junco
^
astral crystal
it's cache day bois, get those boners rady for 3 pieces of 400 loot
dark junco
Else have a good healers
earnest zinc
The only thing IP is good for is a temporary health boost
steel mauve
And no, stat weights arent a thing, itll fuck you over trying to use them, just follow the priority and profit
junior igloo
@earnest zinc
Stats are a lot more balanced than that.
dark junco
For us yeah
earnest zinc
Thrash seems to be the most lethal thing in Uldir
dark junco
But I’d still love to get stats weight
steel mauve
And outside of spell reflect IP is our only magic mit other than demo which is used on cd basically
earnest zinc
The enrage is when it can start one shotting
dark junco
Kk, couldn’t remember
earnest zinc
I can't get 100% uptime on AM
dark junco
I miss legion SR
earnest zinc
It's a one shot even on normal if you have nothing up
rare cradle
Should i use "Never surrender" talent on ghuun? i'm getting fucked from magic damage
steel mauve
Ya, but we can have some thing up for every thrash
summer kestrel
I would say zul debuff it is the most lethal
dark junco
If we could’ve kept something, I’d have nominated : bracers, or 2x heroic leap, or 8 sec SR with infinite spell reflected on uptime
undone sun
@rare cradle no
old zephyr
Never sur rendre is7bad
undone sun
it's an amazingly terrible talent
earnest zinc
Never Surrender should be named "Never Choose this Garbage Talent"
dark junco
@rare cradle Def’ not. You can SR the balls
summer kestrel
speed boots
vale basalt
On zul have a pally cast bop on u
dark junco
Nah I’d still prefer bracers, sr or heroic leap
That nerf to 2nd wouldve destroyed boots
earnest zinc
I was using Indomitable at the time
old zephyr
Does réflecting them Damage ghuun ?
earnest zinc
I think that was my problem
uneven mason
Just negates the debuff
dark junco
^
You can do 1/3 or 2/4 easily
But someone was suggesting 2/4 can’t remember why
Think cause of timer or something
chilly brook
@fresh dragon y u tag me at 6am? 🤔
steel mauve
Well ya, shouldnt spec out of bolster, thats a hige active mit for 15 seconds
undone sun
afaik you can reflect every other cast
steel mauve
Huge*
dark junco
fill SB gap too
upbeat folio
bolster so gud
steel mauve
Spell reflect 4 in order for both tanks to clear their debuff on ghuun
dark junco
And with AM, its almost always up
steel mauve
Ideally you qant to reflect 1 or 2, never 3 and reflect 4
dark junco
Most op fix: AM nows works on SR
uneven mason
Never Surrender could be made good, and competitive with Bolster, but TBH we're good where we are....something like Never Surrender: Ignore pain absorbs up to 80% more damage and is 280% larger depending on your missing health. So at 20% its a 90% absorb and the AP coefficient is 10....but you know, that'd take more than just having it raw scale with missing HP (complex math!)
dark junco
Warrior now best magic tank
uneven mason
Its the best tank buster magic tank
dark junco
What many peeps says is: if you’re good with warrior, you’d be op on any other easier tank
uneven mason
well
dark junco
When I tried DK in legion, I kinda had to agree tho
uneven mason
I wouldn't go that far
chilly brook
I guess but I mean you can only cap so far on monk tbh
upbeat folio
Monk is cruise control 4 cool.
dark junco
Like DK was so easy compared to warrior
vale basalt
Warrior is rocking for me. Other tanks feel retard proof
dusk locust
my biggest problem right now is balancing holding aggro with hitting mitigation
dusk locust
specifically against demon hunters and warriors
uneven mason
??
uneven mason
Eat more spinach? (Use avatar combined with taunt)
dark junco
In 7s or so, I just straight up pop LS before pulling and aoe dps the shit outta the pacts
upbeat folio
@dusk locust I am in a similar position right now. As I progress in M+, I notice my damage values falling slightly as I have to dump everything I had into survival.
dark junco
But we have a shitton of cc in my m+ group so yeah
dusk locust
if it's a really hard pull, i rush in there, thunderclap shield block ignore pain, demo shout.. that's 3 gcds and only 1 thunderclap. DH goes AOE ham and takes aggro
so i don't know if i should revenge instead of ignore pain and take extra damage or what have you
chilly brook
No
dark junco
Tell the DH to tab target
chilly brook
How much damage are you doing on an aoe pull?
steel mauve
Or have non idiotic dps go balls to the wall right on pull
dark junco
Untill you tell him: ok focus
steel mauve
Not got*
dusk locust
i do tons of damage on aoe but it takes a few gcds to get rolling
dark junco
Does wonders @dusk locust
chilly brook
TBH @steel mauve we’re the tank that should be able to let the DPS go ham
uneven mason
use avatar pre pull Kauda
dusk locust
i do
sick sentinel
ive never ever had threat issues the whole expansion so far.
I dont understand the issue.
chilly brook
If you’re using avatar pre-pull I don’t know how you’re not holding aggro
dusk locust
what level keys are you doing
uneven mason
nothing I have run into yet has out aggroed me on a avatar - TC - DS - TC
chilly brook
I’ve done a 10
dark junco
Only jave threat issue on dps not tan targeting the first 2 sec into a pull
sick sentinel
mostly 7s. too normie to do more atm.
chilly brook
I have a arms warrior who bursts for like 60k in my guild and I still hold aggro
sick sentinel
and that was only friday.
dusk locust
do you save avatar for the beginning of every pull then?
sick sentinel
lol nope.
uneven mason
the ONLY time I've ever had aggro lost was when the DH decided to point eyebeam at a target that was outside of my initial TCs
so I started running CT
chilly brook
It’s pretty much up everytime I pull
dusk locust
maybe the issue is i'm getting as much use out of avatar as i can so i don't always have it for the next pack
chilly brook
I mean I still don’t lose aggro
dusk locust
i lose it specifically against DH
dark junco
Go with a dh that is good
dusk locust
that's the problem, he is good
uneven mason
I mean during avatar you're still going to push 14k ST or thereabout, and most DPS can't push 56,000 single target DPS
earnest zinc
No one even gets to half my threat ST with equal gear
dusk locust
otherwise i'm not getting two TCs
dark junco
Thats all
chilly brook
You’re telling me that a good DH does 24k single target?
upbeat folio
You should have it up pretty frequently.
earnest zinc
It's possible for the majority of pulls of you spec AM like you should.
chilly brook
I mean just make the most of your avatar if you use it at the end of a pull immediately chain pull
dark junco
^
autumn galleon
Dps has to understand its not Legion anymore. We back to wotlk days :x
dusk locust
part of the issue might be that it was necrotic, and i had to wait for stacks to drop and couldn't lead the dps as much
earnest zinc
Not all of them but a lot of them
earnest zinc
Necrotic pulls without Avatar up are a bitch
uneven mason
Amazingly, I've found that talking to DPS about being idiots
generally either gets me free of them
or they start behaving
dusk locust
well they're starting to talk to me like it's a prot warrior issue
and i'm not sure what it is
uneven mason
like "We're not MDI 100% parsing this bad boy, cool your jets or I'm going to just let you die a lot"
sick sentinel
Would a mouse over marking macro help? It would at least give them a point of focus for their lunacy
uneven mason
Its not a prot war issue
dusk locust
it's aoe lunacy
uneven mason
Its them being full on REEEEEEEEEEEE
sick sentinel
Lmao
silk belfry
Anyone have any good pawn scales for prot? I have been shopping around on noxxic, IV, and pawn's default and they all seem to be prioritizing different stuff.
earnest zinc
With it up and demo up, just hit them hard for at least 10 seconds, then kite.
chilly brook
Again lemme ask how much damage you’re doing on aoe and how much he’s doing on aoe
dusk locust
i run with an ele shaman who used to pull aggro but learned to chill for a few GCDs
i really don't know the numbers griff
chilly brook
Then I can’t really help you
uneven mason
Like, if they're going to slap their 3min CDs on a single trash pack and thne QQ about getting aggro
dusk locust
mk
sick sentinel
I’ve done the thing where I use avatar and last stand going in so I can clap and revenge for those first few crucial seconds
chilly brook
Because I don’t know if you’re missing globals or not
dusk locust
i follow the guide exactly and use that talent loadout
dusk locust
with two thunderclaps?
chilly brook
With TC and Demo Shout absolutely
uneven mason
yeah
dusk locust
which requires avatar
uneven mason
Avatar - Charge - TC +SB - DS - TC
dusk locust
so i need avatar for every pull
uneven mason
you should have it there abouts
So here is the thing alot of folks start hitting Rev to keep aggro/damage going
chilly brook
TBH I typically avatar-charge-Demo-tC
dusk locust
i've been using rev against this guy just to hold aggro
chilly brook
You really shouldn’t spend rage on revenge
sick sentinel
I only revenge in between clap globals to make sure I have aggro
uneven mason
or you could hit IP and get avatar back up
cold tapir
just use a taunt, it makes you deal extra threat for 3 seconds even if you already have aggro
uneven mason
it really sounds like you have an idiot DH who is going out of their way to be a full on retard.
sick sentinel
But it’s free most of the time so it’s not issue
wraith ginkgo
Guys I main arms, is it a good idea to learn optimal pathing nad tank mythic+ dungeons to get solid ilevel?
sick sentinel
EYEBEAM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
wraith ginkgo
I feel its eally hard/time consuming to find good groups as dps.
dusk locust
i have no issues at all except for two DHs in my guild, that's about it
uneven mason
Thorp just do M+ as arms
dusk locust
and one warrior in a pug once
upbeat folio
@sick sentinel That is exactly the sound I imagine them making.
uneven mason
start your own
wraith ginkgo
I do but it takes ages
sick sentinel
@upbeat folio nods
wraith ginkgo
like i had a +4 Shrine key.. 45 mins and no tank
upbeat folio
reeeeee
wraith ginkgo
haha
uneven mason
and shrine is a fucking bitch
chilly brook
@wraith ginkgo tbh it’s optimal to learn how to tank period if you want to be an appealing player to anyone
uneven mason
I fucking hate that place on M0
sick sentinel
Shrine is an oof
wraith ginkgo
Also, Ikarikaze r there any good optimal route/guides for tanking or even dpsing the bfa dungeons on mythic+?
uneven mason
doing it on Fortifide is akin to chewing glass or screwing a cactus
chilly brook
A dps who has a decent tank offspec and knows how to play it is very useful
wraith ginkgo
Thanks griff
wraith ginkgo
thats what i think too and i want to pursue that, especially since I have a set of azerite gear for prot and a 345 one hander!
uneven mason
better than doing Shrine
uneven mason
drop it to a +2
sick sentinel
The lightning boss on tyrannical. FML
chilly brook
I really do
uneven mason
and hope you don't get a +5 shrine after
chilly brook
But blizz is getting ridiculous
dusk locust
so in general, if avatar comes back up and a pack is like 15 seconds from being dead, you generally save avatar for the next pull?
wraith ginkgo
Ill try again later today tbh. As for the guides r there any decent guides out there for mythic+ in general for dps/tanking?
uneven mason
Kauda yeah
chilly brook
@dusk locust yes
dusk locust
ok i think that's my issue
chilly brook
It’d be a waste to use on that pack anyways
uneven mason
Thorp wowhead has general guides
but yeah, like, folks who say "its a prot warrior issue"
dusk locust
i'm going to start trying to have avatar available for every pull and see where that gets me
uneven mason
are the same fucking retards who charge out ahead when you're trying to LOS mobs out of Sanguine pools
and then wonder why the fuck they die
sick sentinel
Kauda just know the supreme edgelord is looking at you like this when the DH rips aggro. Don’t let this happen. 😂
lol
dusk locust
a lot of my problem could be the necrotic + sanguine combo tbh
i los, dps doesn't wait and jumps in
uneven mason
^^
dusk locust
i'm desperately trying to grab aggro
wraith ginkgo
Ok thanks so much for all ur fast responses guys I apprecaite it > from an up and coming tank offspec 😛
uneven mason
I make sure - hey this pack is casters, I'ma be kiting them back along LOS breaks so they don't stand in their own shit
chilly brook
Like how is it ok for blizz to think that the infested worms are fine when they walk through walls and pull the whole instance
uneven mason
I had a rogue who got wrecked by the flamecaster group in TD
chilly brook
Freakin indie company man
uneven mason
so I was like PSST BRO, Do me a solid - open your spell book
sick sentinel
Storm Bolt
uneven mason
find "Tricks of the Trade"
sick sentinel
The answer to all questions
uneven mason
and bind that in a focus macro to EVERY FUCKING ABILITY YOU HAVE
dusk locust
i just get a sarcastic "did i wait long enough" when i try to talk to these guys 😛
i swear pugs are easier
upbeat folio
Are we taking storm bolt now?
uneven mason
Just tell them if they were a real meleeDPS class
they'd have tricks of the trade
and wouldn't have this issue
Storm bolt is pretty spiffy
ranged interrupt
reduced CD on Shockwave
uncut fractal
Any tips for HC Zul to survive? Rupturing debuff seems to destroy me
prisma night
i like storm bolt better unless we really need the aoe interupt
uneven mason
@uncut fractal Pray
prisma night
how many stacks are you taking
uneven mason
@uncut fractal yell at your healers
uncut fractal
But I die after placing the pool
prisma night
yep, pray
uneven mason
because chances are they're being idiots
uncut fractal
Its like I get 50k per second
uneven mason
and stopping heals on you
when the other tank starts tanking
I had that happen on my first zul kill
sick sentinel
Sense has some nice m+ runs on youtube. He uses Storm Bolt to the best
sick sentinel
Where is the m+ chest horde side, btw?
uncut fractal
i'll probably pop wall
uneven mason
but make sure you have a healer tunneling the crap out of you
uncut fractal
and save it until then
uneven mason
and save cookie
prisma night
and health pot
uneven mason
set that healer (who should be somewhat close) as your focus
and use a focus intercept macro
the instant the debuff falls off
to get out
uneven mason
you could
but leaping
so the game
doesn't update position like that
if your midair
you're still where you were
which is why occasionally leaping can bone you
uncut fractal
okay
steel mauve
Ya, the issue with leaps is you're still technically in the same spot until you land
prisma night
you're "still where you were" until you land?
uneven mason
just like people who jump out of stuff (literally jump) and die even though their corpse lands well outside of the ground effect
craggy harness
Didn't that get fixed?
steel mauve
Your position doesnt update until you land
uneven mason
its better now
prisma night
i don think thats right
prisma night
i tried leaping over sanguine and it updated mid air
craggy harness
I remember jumping out stuff used to do that, but I swore its fixed
And that's regular jumping.
uneven mason
I mean, leap vs intercept - intercept is faster
craggy harness
Oh well, I'm saying the same thing as others so I'll stop.
uneven mason
heh
prisma night
intercept relies on people not being retarded
vale basalt
@uncut fractal seriously ask a pally to cast blessing of protection on u. It makes u immune to physical
uneven mason
well if the healer isn't where they're supposed to be
uneven mason
Priest or paladin
prisma night
you're probably dead anyway lol if they arent close
uneven mason
any really
just as long as they're focusing you
Shaman I guess would be 100% best
grim prism
Intercept isnt necessarily faster, its just that leap costs a full global and intercept doesnt
uneven mason
and yeah the paladin thing works
grim prism
For clarity sake
vale basalt
If u get more than 3 swaps on that phase so 3 active tabkong phases each then pray the gods
Tanking*
upbeat folio
I'm watching Sense do high level mythic content. His sounds are giving me PTSD of mage tower.
uneven mason
You can do 3
since as tanks we don't use pots normally
Rejuve pots are on the potion CD
Health pots are on their own
as are health stones
Bonus points for Rally - Last STand - cookie
ALL THE HIT POINTS
🤢 they changed my team roster TFW the only healer who would co-operate with you gets placed on the other team "because they need help"
grim prism
I use rallying cry for bigger selfheals way more often than i use it fir party damage
Not gonna lie
uneven mason
^^
steel mauve
Ya i use it as a personal in raid
uneven mason
RC + LS + Cookie was how I finished out my G'huun kill after 3 of the healers got feared.
prisma night
fuck everyone else
uncut fractal
Whats cookie exactly i'm confused
steel mauve
Some one called for a rallying cry in raid this weekend and was like its already up
uneven mason
Warlock stone
prisma night
radioactive even
uncut fractal
xD
uneven mason
radiation generally isn't green tho
prisma night
cancer cookies really
uneven mason
I mean, it can be
uncut fractal
genetically modified
prisma night
you ruined my fun
uneven mason
Radium gives off small wavelength light in the dark...
which looks green to the human eye
I suppose
uneven mason
- switching to NS had nothing to do with you killing G'huun 2. your healers have my condolances
uneven mason
- How long did the recovery from the leucotomy take?
dusk locust
do you guys try to synchronize avatar and demo shout any, i.e. delay one for the other?
sick sentinel
Delay avatar for demo if you have to if the difference in cd is more than a few seconds
You have to fuck up really bad to achieve that though
uneven mason
I suppose that
dusk locust
well say i want to hold avatar for a bit because the adds on zek'voz are about to spawn
i suppose i'd hold demo as well then
uneven mason
I mean
that's a situational thing
you'd want Demo up for the adds
so its not related to the other 2
dusk locust
the fixating ones? for the damage?
sick sentinel
Use of AM can desynch demo and Ava but you should totally hold both for add phases
uneven mason
but more you want them lined up to maximize mitigation and damage on the adds
bru its not the use of AM that desyncs them
its not realizing one is up
and letting it sit
then hitting it outside of the normal rotation
sick sentinel
Yes basically
uneven mason
Griff I think has like a maddening uptime on DS and avatar
prisma night
or not using them in tandem in the first place
uneven mason
heh
sick sentinel
Do more damage
uncut fractal
and when we kill all adds, boss heals up to 45% from an ichor
and we have to do it all over again
xD
sick sentinel
Kill one Hexer and cleave the second one on top off boss
timid jay
Stun the hexers when they cast ichor
sick sentinel
Or CC one Hexer instead of killing
uncut fractal
can you go with 1 cc'd hexer into p2?
uneven mason
yeah
but folks need to figure out to focus Zul
and just kill adds with cleave
he HAS to get out of P1 ASAP
prisma night
yeah that was our issue at first
uneven mason
worrying about timing or adds up
just blow Zul up
because if you're there beyond the 2nd crusher
you're going to lose
longer P1 goes, deadlier he is P2
and its not like folks should have a hard time CCing
sick sentinel
Have the chad holy paladin taunt the crusher when it's about to cast so the other tank can keep dpsing the boss
Pog
uneven mason
generally not
too many wipes on Aggramar
"Why'd we have 2 go in" BUTMAHPARSE GCD FOR CC RUINS MEH
midnight ferry
is there a place where I can see list of damage type that can be blocked with shield block
sick sentinel
Melee hits
steel mauve
Pins
sick sentinel
Literally nothing else
uneven mason
Sense has a list of mechanics
prisma night
pins has a list
steel mauve
And yes bru, some mechanics can be blocked....
sick sentinel
Shield block is a mess
uneven mason
midnight ferry
how about melee aoe cleve
uneven mason
Yes generally
uneven mason
No you didn't you stalker
sick sentinel
Grif gay
valid iron
does any 1 know stat list cause where i go its different
prisma night
how does one hear a disorder?
sick sentinel
Severe autism superpower
steel mauve
The pins has a list of mechanics, typically all melee abilities and some mechanics can be blocked
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
They should change shield block to be more consistent
How do you drop deep wounds
Do you like get sb resets from every single clap during ava
That would be pretty badass
chilly brook
How do you drop it? Ez
cloud bone
so i know Icy Veins has the spec outer traits but is there anywhere I can look for the generic ones?
chilly brook
Heroic leap away from boss when winds and you’re close to the fire
sick sentinel
It's also on ivy veins
steel mauve
Scroll down a bit more...
uncut fractal
Is 2x Brace 1x Deafening still good?
chilly brook
Yes unless there was some ninja change in the last 2 weeks @uncut fractal
earnest zinc
Sucks there isn't a Deafining in Uldir
sick sentinel
Just get a 380 deafening from m+
earnest zinc
Please tell me M+ drops azerite
sick sentinel
EZ
next goblet
I have so much azerite farming to do..
cloud bone
also got the BiS Deafening crash shoulders from my cache
earnest zinc
Oh thank god
cloud bone
385 bois
undone sun
sick sentinel
chilly brook
@earnest zinc technically m+ doesn’t but the weekly chest does
cloud bone
feelsbadman
uneven mason
Screenshot plz so us less fortunate souls can have some fap materials
cloud bone
gimme a sec
chilly brook
I’ll probably be opening my chest in class while on my laptop 🙃
Pro print screen, open paint ctrl+v crop save
cloud bone
cloud bone
don't know how good the quality is