protection

[half merlin]

i do avatar > charge > demo > sb > tc > slam

or something along those lines

[plain vapor]

why move him to the middle

[real rover]

bc that'S the strategy on wowhead which our raidleads has said is the goto strategy

[plain vapor]

oh

we just tanked him where he spawned

[half merlin]

tricks and md's might help. charge later on?

[topaz ember]

I was dps on heroic Vectis and we tanked him where he spawned but it was hard to get to some of the pools

[real rover]

so to improve myself I start to use avatar and demo on cd

when I manage to achieve that consistently I try to time it if demo or shield slam is about to get off of cd

[inland mesa]

We put vectus in the middle of the tiny alcove he starts in

Heroic g'huun took only 33 pulls \o/ a bunch of which were in zombie why am I still up time

[real rover]

there should be a raid testing environment in wow, where you can play with your ui timers and what not to properly align your ui and test your auras <.<

[summer kestrel]

all those disc in m+ 😑

[broken kite]

Lfr @real rover

[real rover]

^^

[grim prism]

@real rover dont use ava on CD unless you have demo ready to go

It's always ava>demo>tc

[real rover]

the guides says otherwise :x

[grim prism]

The guide makes some simplifications for the sake of helping new people understand the rotation

If you have deafening crash and you arent using avatar to extend demo

You are objectively hurting yourself (literally)

Granted its exactly twice the cooldown of demo so it should more or less be a non-issue

But stiol

[real rover]

sadly I did not get deafining yet

kind of butthurt that it cannot drop from dungeons and raids.

[grim prism]

Then avatar whenever the fuck you want until you pick up DC lol

Because prior to that it's just a dps increase and a smidge of rage gen

[real rover]

Do not delay Avatar for Demoralizing Shout. so I shall not follow the rule, even if demo is still ~10 seconds on cd?

[grim prism]

In a perfect world you would never have to delay it because od the exactly-double CD

[half merlin]

are we talking m+ here or? surely that depends in he is gonna tanking anytime soon within the 10 seconds?

[real rover]

well fuck

[grim prism]

But again, avatar is only a dps increase without demo

Err without deafening crash

[real rover]

I played with avatar having a 2 min cooldown and not 1.5min

god am I bad.

[summer kestrel]

why would you use avatar without demo

[grim prism]

You wouldnt

And actually, even without deafening crash, you would be double-dipping on a damage increase by running ava and demo together

So yeah idk if I necessarily agree with what the guide says about holding avatar

A) if played properly for defense, the two will not ever deviate
B) if you need avatar exlusively for burst damage, you wouldnt cast it on CD anyway because you would need it for a precise moment (but i dont think this is ever going to be the case)

[real rover]

am thinking about picking up devastator instead of booming voice so I have less buttons to press until I learned to time my cds properly

I know it will lower my survivability but...what about the thought of taking one step at a time?

[grim prism]

Dont do that

[stark sage]

you don't really save many gcds with devastator

[grim prism]

Dev is really only like one in every 9 presses anyway

And you would only be training yourself how to play subopimally

[real rover]

I press devastator WAY too much, and this kinda forces me to not use it

hence the thought

[grim prism]

Keep BV and take dev off your bars then

You would do better than running deva

[stark sage]

if you are hitting dev a lot then you're doing something wrong, its not very common

[real rover]

well I know I am doing it wrong :p

[grim prism]

I am not exaggerating that outright removing it from your bar and having empty globals is probably better than running devastator

Lol

[real rover]

First bar is my standard layout, second bar is visible when I press ctrl modifier. I guess I will simply put devastator on the ctrl modifier bars then

[grim prism]

This layout makes no sense to me, but layouts are personal pref so idk

[mild badge]

A and D aren't strafe for you?

[past holly]

Do you guys use taunt a lot in mythics ?

[real rover]

it's straight forward tho :p

[grim prism]

@past holly oh hell yeah

[real rover]

Q & E is strafe

[mild badge]

ew

[grim prism]

I mean if it works for you it works for you

[real rover]

been like that for 14 years, will not force me to change it 😄

[grim prism]

But if you are often pressing the wrong things

Maybe it ISNT working for you?

[real rover]

nah the thing is

I kinda forget about the buttons on the ctrl modifier

[mild badge]

It just looks odd to me lol

[real rover]

even with 2 feeking weakauras reminding me bout it

unless I know I need them

[grim prism]

At the very least, last stand and avatar are very important and need to be remembered

I mean everything on there is arguably important

But those are core rotational stuff

[real rover]

I will switch devastator to the ctrl modifier

get avatar on the mainbar

and put last stand on the same button as avatar & ctrl

that sounds like brain

eh

[grim prism]

Id put last stand over avatar since you dont have deafening crash anyway

[real rover]

demo shout not last stand

[midnight trench]

are you turning camera with a&d?

[real rover]

I am turning camera with my mouse.

[grim prism]

Sal turns with mouse only, no h8 pls

[real rover]

it never even occured to me why I wouldn't use right mouse button for turning the camera

why would you hate on that? ^^

[frosty wedge]

yeah I dind't know anyone keyboard turned?

didn't*

[midnight trench]

I just saw strafe with q&e so i'm thinking uuuuuh i hope they aren't using a&d for camera lol

[real rover]

isn't strafing with Q&E even standard if you don't change your keybindings?

[grim prism]

I grew up on FPS so WASD for movement always made sense, and i figured id keep Q&E for turning just in case i get so lazy i only want to tank onebanded

Which is often

Also @real rover @midnight trench that is literally the WOW default

[half merlin]

dang, but Q and E are such good keybinds for stuffs

[grim prism]

I have a fuckload of mod macros

[real rover]

Dunno, having my primary movement buttons (which are Q,W,E) on the same row feels better than having to switch row position with my fingers

[grim prism]

It all fits on 1-5, RTFG, and mouse

[odd ridge]

I must be the only pleb that uses ESDF for movement

[real rover]

why are A&D less good keybindings? 😉

[grim prism]

@odd ridge no but its very uncommon lol

[edgy solstice]

A and d are further from 1-4

[odd ridge]

WASD just feels too far left for me

[grim prism]

Good thing my fingers bend in more than one place eh

I use pinky on tilde for push-to-talk and hit alt with my thumb for mod macros

[real rover]

that's why I have lesser used spells on A & D

[grim prism]

And I hotwired my mom's sewing machine pedal for kicks

GOML

[winter skiff]

Wait u guys dont use dev???

[odd ridge]

pinky on Tilde? Jesus

[grim prism]

@winter skiff devastate the ability yes, devastator the talent FUCK no

[odd ridge]

i cant physically press tilde with my pinky

[winter skiff]

Ahhhh

[real rover]

Changed my ability layout now to this, again the lower one being the CTRL modifier

[winter skiff]

Holy scarred the crap out of me lol

[real rover]

I guess that makes more sense.

[grim prism]

I also clawgrip my PS4 controller so

Maybe im just a mutant

[odd ridge]

Dude you must have freakish hands

[winter skiff]

Iwas wtf i usually use the abilitie in between my cd rage management

[odd ridge]

or mine are just small and girlish idk

[grim prism]

Mine are like

Small side of average for a man

Bigger than Trump, smaller than Uncle Jack

[odd ridge]

you gotta send a pic of how your hand rests on the keys

i cant fathom how you use pinky for tilde

[grim prism]

Lol im omw home

Buti will

[winter skiff]

Is this rotation fine sb ss thunder revenge if it procs just spam dev until either thunder or sb come up

Then sb again

[grim prism]

@winter skiff rotation in the pinned IV guide is the one you want

[winter skiff]

When sb is down i use demo

[odd ridge]

my pinky naturally rests on Z

[winter skiff]

And avtar

[odd ridge]

and then i can use it for shift and thats about it

[grim prism]

I think its the angle of the arm thats the differencr

[odd ridge]

yeah

ok yeah if i turn my keyboard i can do it

[grim prism]

Like I can literally hold tilde with pinky while doing alt+1-4 for casts

Ok i'll spare you a picture of my gnarly-ass keyboard then

[odd ridge]

rofl

im still rocking a microsoft ergonomic split

[grim prism]

When this baby hits 88 APM youre gonne see some serious shit

[real rover]

I am at a solid 400apm during an encounter

how the f can you be lower than 100

[winged maple]

Sooo..... i miss a week of wow-ing.
So protective still viable as M+ push? Or still not good enough yet?

[grim prism]

Well

Depends what youre pushing

[winged maple]

M+ maybe 10

Weekly stuff only. Nth too crazy

[grim prism]

Yeah its tough but nit unbearable

[winged maple]

I see

[real rover]

obviously just strafing left and right a metric shit ton to keep my fingers warm and reactive lul

[grim prism]

Its definitely doing better in the raid than the peanut gallery expected

M+ is harder, but we knew it was going to be

Also they started us off on fort/sanguine/necro

So you picked a good week to take off

[shut summit]

idk just did 13 shrine in time

seems fine

[final mist]

warrior suck tho sense

didn't you hear?

[shut summit]

♿

[final mist]

[grim prism]

If yall motherfuckers are about to misconstrue me as a prot naysayer

[elfin arrow]

I saw a YouTube video from method saying prot is garbage so it must be true

[grim prism]

Then you better have another servermute on deck for me

[real rover]

we'll be trying to push a +8 tomorrow to even get a +10 we can do for the weekly cache :x

[grim prism]

Let me put it this way

I have a harder time getting accepted to groups as a prot war than i do clearing them

[frosty wedge]

^^

pushed a couple of 7s already this week, will probably push a 10 tonight, it's not that difficult, you just have to play smart and roll your cooldowns

[topaz ember]

i got into a +10 group and i thought they were bad off the bat for inviting me

[grim prism]

Its almost like specs work better when you play them right

[elfin arrow]

Is it just the playerbase running with bad warriors that are giving a bad name or is it just misinformation?

[grim prism]

Something r/wow struggles to grasp

[frosty wedge]

top end guilds shit talked prot b/c there are better classes right now

[topaz ember]

i thinkit has to do with people just jumping on wha ever people say are the best tank so we are only left with people who dont care much about wow and us

[frosty wedge]

people with no understanding of the fact that they're talking about miniscule differencs in bleeding edge content assume that means we're shit for everythng

[grim prism]

@elfin arrow its a combo of the fsct that they changed the paradigm from Legion to BfA and peoole dont want to learn the new playstyle, and Sco made another one of those fucking videos

Shitters woukd rather chase FotM and bandwagon ideas than play what they enjoy

[real rover]

I just want Impending Victory baseline :x

I can tank mythic isle expeditions better with fury than with an actual tank spec due to insane selfhealing.

just as a last resort.

[green isle]

fuck impending victory i just want legendary bracers back

[grim prism]

The question is always "is X going to be viable this expac" and the answer is always the same: if you have to ask, then it doesnt matter

Frankly I'm just glad the same start-of-tier shitfest is finally winding down

This is precisely why I avoid the community during prepatch btw (and avoid r/wow and bliz forums entirely)

[green isle]

idk the average wow player is garbage and will blame anything but themselves for their play

[grim prism]

^

[green isle]

which usually ends up with every class having the community perception it's bad

[grim prism]

Those fucking Method vids dont help

Sco ranks every tank within three points of each other on an 18 point scale and yet we have to deal with two months of PROT IS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL WHY EVEN PLAY IT

Nope, gotta only bring optimal specs for my guild's AotC prog group

LF two BrM, three disc, and 15 BM hunters, big dicks only

[real rover]

well, they are making money with it.

[grim prism]

^ which is about all those vids are good for

[analog pewter]

I guess im a terrible person for liking the speedy prot style in Legion over the gcd capped Prot warrior.

[grim prism]

Nobody said that

Just saying if you think prot is trash, maybe look in a mirror

An subjective opinion over whether or not you think a spec is fun to play has no bearing on its performance

Hence us always telling people to play what they enjoy

Chances are if you enjoy something you will feel driven to improve at it, and if not then you probably won't

[shy rapids]

well look at this

https://i.imgur.com/vKZHyb5.png

https://i.imgur.com/JWqgRd3.png

see the problem?

[grim prism]

Wow wee, a str stick that casts ignore pain for you

[frosty wedge]

the old one has a bigger absorb

lol

[shy rapids]

BFA btw

[grim prism]

That is the gearing paradigm this expac

[half merlin]

stat squish gone bollocks

[grim prism]

Hit 120 then equip the lowest shit you can and voidstorage everything else 😂

[real rover]

um

weird question

where the hell in the horde city is the dummy which hits you back?

[sick sentinel]

Emblem of Zandalar (+strength and on equip 675 haste buff for 8s) or Jes Howlis (~500-800 Versatility buff)?

I feel like the haste would be better, no?

[midnight trench]

right in the feels

[vast void]

quick question regarding warcraftlogs:
can someone explain those leetters to me?
A = Absorb
B = Block
what are M and R for ?

Melee Satrius (A: 9529) (B: 26428) (R: 157379, M: 147850, 93.95%)

[mystic trellis]

Yo how have you guys felt with mythic+? Mythic seemed fairly easy

[sick sentinel]

Did a +10 wasn't too bad honestly

I feel pretty comfortable up until +7 and then I realize I'm getting hit hard at ~350

[mystic trellis]

Im still uncertain about IP usage really.

[winter skiff]

What u guys think are the best trinkets right now non raid ones

Icey saying blockade and howler

[prisma crane]

protip, kill totems in A'D evenly, amirite @shut summit 😦

[tiny sphinx]

been saying since prepatch-

-IP off global
-mannoroth's baseline (even scaled lower for all I care)
-demo/avatar off global

just give me 1 or preferably a combination of 2

[digital arrow]

what ilevel would u guys recommend to do a +10?

to tank it

[junior ivy]

like 500

[digital arrow]

WHOA

[junior ivy]

lol i dunno

[digital arrow]

lol

[junior ivy]

i did a +11 motherlode and it wasnt so bad, took an hour and 26 mins

then i did a +11 freehold

[cinder walrus]

In time or just to do it? I did a non-in time at 352

[junior ivy]

and it took 4 and a half hours

[ivory barn]

370ish?

[junior ivy]

my ilvl is 350

[digital arrow]

u guys are brave

im 347 and im hesitant about +4 lol

[junior ivy]

i did a +9 at like 345

not in time obviously

[winter skiff]

Im 343 gonna do 4+ today

[junior ivy]

you can be doing 5s and 6s pocky

just take it slow, smart pulls

dont worry about timer thyis week

[digital arrow]

i'll try that

slow small pulls

[winter skiff]

Whats the highest i can do dont care for timer

Just want the sweeet reward

[grim prism]

+10

[junior ivy]

for max weekly reward for +10

for max reward at end of dungeon do +5s

[winter skiff]

I doubt id get past the first mob lol

[junior ivy]

just need a patient and persistent group lol

[winter skiff]

Yeah hopefully i can do a 5

[junior ivy]

5s arent bad

i can one chest a +5 now

[winter skiff]

But i thought if u dont make it in time it lowers the mythic lvl

[junior ivy]

it doesnt lower the ilvl of the loot

it just lowers your nezxt key

next

so youd get a +4 as your new key

if you beat timer youd get a +6

[winter skiff]

Yeah need to find a group who will let me run a mythic 5 with them

Ahhh makes sense

Highest i did was 3

[junior ivy]

the +11 last night made me wanna die

[winter skiff]

What trinks u running

[junior ivy]

uh

darkmoon one

and jes howler (345)

but i onluy tanked half of it, me and dk tank kept switching back and forth

for some trash we used 2 tanks lol

[winter skiff]

Nice did tal like 7 times yesterday havent got it yet

[junior ivy]

it dropped at 360 the other day in my group 😦

but dk got it

[winter skiff]

Damnn

I need shoulders really bad

If i can find 340 shoulders i may hit 345

[junior ivy]

i need darkmoon decki trinket for fury 😦

[weary notch]

wait a second, I might be an idiot. Does stoneform drop stacks on Zul boss or King's Rest Zul miniboss?

I just now noticed is says it removes disease, curse, magic and bleed effects

I don't think it used to do magic

[sick sentinel]

I guess I'm not the only one wondering which is better between Jes and Emblem

[tiny bobcat]

i've been playing a brewmaster since BFA release, and i miss my warrior. are they really in that bad of a spot?

[prisma crane]

TL:DR - no

[sick sentinel]

well they wont take u on high M+ pugs, but other than that its nice

[prisma crane]

#thanksSco

[real rover]

so I essentially changed my whole prot ui now :x

[junior ivy]

warrior is fine

@real rover show me your UI i love seeing UIs

[real rover]

it's just a slightly modified version of elvuis thinktank ui with a popular warrior weakaura lul :x

But I dragged around some things to the prior iteration of my changes

[crimson quarry]

Ugh, I got my DK to ilvl356 but hit a boredom brick wall. Here's hoping protection can save me, I was enjoying it a lot at end if legion before pre patch

[grim prism]

Well let me prepare you by saying its a lot different than the end of legion before prepatch

But its still fun

[crystal night]

Damn Sense is a fucking beast

[vocal nimbus]

bop gets rid of zul's dot right?

[main vault]

yes

[sick sentinel]

Can we have too much haste at some %? I sit around 28% with ITF

[amber siren]

Nope, no haste or any stat caps

[sick sentinel]

Is there a cap on the GCD or can I push it way down to like .9s?

[fierce juniper]

0.75

[crimson plinth]

how good is champion of azeroth trait for us guys?

[steel mauve]

did they change the gcd cap? thought it was minimum 1 second

[fresh dragon]

@frosty glen hi man u there?

[jaunty ermine]

I was also wondering about champion of azeroth trait since i just got exalted today. Wonder if its worth dropping brace for impact for iron fortress for the 15 ilvl upgrade?

[steel mauve]

the only trait worth losing ilvls for is DC

[fresh dragon]

hi can some1 check if my playstyle is ok from this log?

[raven ore]

sEC

@fresh dragon Sorry, the filter for the server filters some words and your link has it in it

should be fixed in a sec

[fresh dragon]

my link

is warcraftlogs

:V

[raven ore]

YE

The filtered word was in the link though

So the bot took action

:p

[fresh dragon]

:V ok

ill try

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/faG8MPW1KHr3mA4n#fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=3

[raven ore]

Not your fault

[fresh dragon]

seems work 😄

now please can some1 check

my playstyle?

if i use correctly CD

IP/SB/LS/DS

Rupturing Blood rapes me :V

[amber siren]

First thing that caught my eye was from 29 seconds to 57 seconds you didn't use TC and spammed devastate

[fresh dragon]

ye

coz there is NOTHING

for 30 seconds

on pull

and boss doesnt even attack me

so.0 damage taken 100 rage maxed and i maximized shield slam proc

[steel mauve]

TC does more damage and gens rage

[amber siren]

TC is one of our hardest hitting abilities

if you're rage capped use revenge

[steel mauve]

and use revenge to dump post 70 rage to avoid capping, which also does more damage ST than devestate

devestate is probably our weakest hitting ability, even behind cleave and aoe abilities

[fresh dragon]

avg hit of SS is more than avg TC

[steel mauve]

"one of" doesnt mean "is"

[amber siren]

Baiting SS procs when you could be generating rage instead with a harder hitting abiliy is a waste

[steel mauve]

and the comparison here is TC vs devestate

plus

[fresh dragon]

ok BTW we are speakikng about 30 sec of NOTHINGF

[steel mauve]

plus thunderclap AND revenge proc SS resets

not only devestate any more

[winter skiff]

Damn i should try using my log to fix my play

[fresh dragon]

ok btw i was asking

opinions on

tanking

[winter skiff]

I find i never really use Last Stanf

[raven kernel]

thunderclap also can reset SS and it generates 5 rage

there is no reason to solely spam devastate

[fresh dragon]

not for the first 30 sec of nothingness

[sick sentinel]

I always pop Last Stand when I'm out of charges on SB

[winter skiff]

Also i need to use avtar and demo alot more

[sick sentinel]

It comes back so quickly and is super strong with Bolster

[steel mauve]

this is an opinion on tanking, your job isnt onlyt to take dmg, doing dmg ios also apart of it, so maximizing your dps, with out minimising survival helps a lot

[winter skiff]

When u start a pull do u guys use demo avtar sb right away

[steel mauve]

gulk, general consensus on last stand is to forget about it being an oh shit cd

[winter skiff]

Or sb only until u need demo

[steel mauve]

think of it as an extra long shield block

[stoic kite]

would you use a 365 pvp trinket that's use heals u for 17k or a 340 howler

[steel mauve]

shield block 3 times then last stand if you are tanking that long and let shield block recharge, using it as an active mit instead of a cd

[winter skiff]

In that case shouldnt we open with last stand and use sb after

[steel mauve]

and demo shout on cd, every other demo can be extended by about 24 seconds with avatar

then after your SB's run out youll have a lot of gaps instead

[winter skiff]

Ahhhh nvm i get it more sb if we do it first

[amber siren]

you want to keep SB rolling

Yeah

[steel mauve]

of 3 SB's > last stand > 3 SB's

[winter skiff]

Yeah i really need to use avtar demo more

I find myself using sb first once charges r gone i ise demo and avtar

[gaunt coyote]

why is shield so important?

[steel mauve]

ccxax whats the stat on the heal trinket?

shield is important because the amount of blocked damage is directly related to the block stat on shield, so better shield means more damage we block means less damage we take, its our most important item

[amber siren]

@gaunt coyote We have block rating again now, the higher ilvl the higher the block rating

[stoic kite]

strength

logging in now to see exact stats

[steel mauve]

thats 25 ilvls of str stat on the trinket, but the heal wouldnt be worth

[winter skiff]

I think with demo and avtar once avtar is finished we can demo again

Uptime on demo is 100%

[steel mauve]

you should be able to

[winter skiff]

If i tc enoufh

[gaunt coyote]

wtf is the point of talent row 4?

[steel mauve]

demo will be gapped by the 2nd avatar, it wont be 100% uptime

[gaunt coyote]

lie, who is insane enough to not bolster

[stoic kite]

@steel mauve

does avoidance do anything

[old dawn]

aoe damage

so not a lot

[steel mauve]

only reduces a small amount of damage on aoe only abilities

not worth thinking about honestly, if its on a piece of gear thats an upgrade great, i wouldnt gear for it though

[stoic kite]

I see

[old dawn]

ye

[stoic kite]

which 2 trinkets would you use then?

from that pic

[old dawn]

the emblems use effect is

garbage

[amber siren]

@fresh dragon Still looking but you also were rolling SB charges over Bolster (example at 244 seconds)

[steel mauve]

i personally like howler, that 340 version is 650 vers every 2 minutes if you hit 4 allies

[old dawn]

650 vers is really good compared to that much hp

though... fifty more strength...

🤔

[steel mauve]

ya, the hp effect is ass, the only thing is the + 50 str

[old dawn]

yea

[stoic kite]

i cant decide 😦

50 strm or vers

[old dawn]

i'd do the vers i think

minor sidenote, nice toothless iron

doin' a lil blep

[jaunty ermine]

i think the howler on use might help you on tough pulls which is probably more important than the 50str

[old dawn]

Agree

[stoic kite]

What about for raids

im tanking tonight

same deal?

[jaunty ermine]

same

[stoic kite]

k

[steel mauve]

haha, ya im still fairly young and due to a birth defect i had to get my top row of teeth pulled and get dentures, so im known as toothless to my guild

[stoic kite]

well what a waste of a 365 item 😦

guess I can use it in pvp

[old dawn]

Hah, nice Iron

you are the night(fury)

[stoic kite]

oh also Str or Stam flask ? I think str right

[steel mauve]

str

stam only if you get one shot by a mechanic, but that shouldnt happen with proper cd's

[jaunty ermine]

do you still have to change specs when you eat the feast?

[steel mauve]

yes, unfortunately

[frosty wedge]

reduces incoming aoe dmgaoe damage

[stoic kite]

what do you mean

go arms for feast then prot?

[steel mauve]

ya

[stoic kite]

im a panda so double food buff too 😃

[steel mauve]

go dps spec for str from feast then back to prot

[stoic kite]

that's good idea

[mild vigil]

What about Marok's article? Says stamina is good

https://skyhold.gg/protection/health

[steel mauve]

its saying stamina isnt bad

not that its good

theres a misconception that stamina isnt good, and should be forgot about, where as its still technically a defensive boost

well, idk if im wording that right

some one else may be able to explain it better

[gaunt coyote]

more hits to die, less likely to die? 🤔

[mild vigil]

Is it just me, or do we consistently have less hp than other tanks at same ilvl?

[steel mauve]

pretty much

we have the lowest hp out of all tanks i believe

[mild vigil]

What do we get in return?

[steel mauve]

we also take the elast amount of dmg over all out of all tanks

least*

[dark junco]

Hey do you still have to be top 100 on a server for a run to count?

[steel mauve]

our mitigation is god tier

[dark junco]

On raider.io

Or did they change the api

[shut summit]

think i remember something about it getting upped but i can't tell you for sure

[stoic kite]

This 340 is better right?

[amber siren]

It's top 500 now for leaderboards

[dark junco]

Thanks, I thought I remebered somethig about it but can’t seem to find anything confirming that

[random cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/DfaAnRE.png pretty juicy, no?

[stoic kite]

apparently no

[lucid kelp]

I need....to stop pulling with heroic leap

[stoic kite]

oh

vers

you got the good one

[random cliff]

i got the hp one too

but its kinda crappy

[amber siren]

@dark junco If you look at your profile on raider.io, it displays at leaderboard page - " The Blizzard Mythic+ Leaderboard/API only includes runs that are ranked in the Top 500 weekly runs for each dungeon and realm. Your run must rank within the Top 500 of any member's realm for our system to track it."

[dark junco]

Yeah just found it

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/bnet/topic/20760947759

Back in january

I’m on mobile, couldn’t see the section you’re talking about.

Could be 100% me tho

[gaunt coyote]

I wish blizz would just make some nice simple shield models

no more 4 color quadra pattern stuff that cant match anything

[amber siren]

i want my shield to have cringy af rbg lights

[dark junco]

God i’d love that

Love rgb

My pc lol

[junior ivy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1iPuPIPSRZ3x04De/giphy.gif

my keyboard and mousepad

[dark junco]

Was sad when I realised my led strip wasn’t working

God I like it

[junior ivy]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o751VzMdNMxqaazxC/giphy.gif

http://i.imgur.com/CRSD5LY.jpg

[dark junco]

I wanna buy a K70 Lux with the mx brown, but since I went overbudget for the pc, i’m waiting for a sweet deal

[junior ivy]

i love LED.

i have a ducky shine 6 with mx browns

[dark junco]

Damn

[junior ivy]

my desk lol

[dark junco]

Loved mx blue, but since I roll with a yeti blue, all my friends hated me

[clear sapphire]

But that's a fox.......

[junior ivy]

browns are my favouritee

[junior ivy]

but i like blues too

[clear sapphire]

Bit c'mon it's all about true monitor

[dark junco]

I don’t mind being loud, but its loud with yeti, since they pickup litterally everything

Son broke my chroma, so I reverted to my old old old g110

[dark junco]

But cause of new firmware and drivers on logitech part, had to disable it, since my lg600 was unresponding when colora changed lol

[junior ivy]

i wish i had a 2nd monitor

[novel steeple]

Off time MMO - EQ

[dark junco]

I’m actually in the process of sending my 3rd monitor upstair to be able yo play in the living room with the family being there

(New kid on the way, so we’ll spend most of the following months upstair)

[lucid kelp]

man..

[dark junco]

Love the keyboard @gaunt coyote

[lucid kelp]

I just got my ass kicked in a +6 shrine.

[dark junco]

Yeah, casters not intterrupted?

[lucid kelp]

bit of everything

[dark junco]

need 3 melees

[grim prism]

@novel steeple save some pussy for the rest of us

[dark junco]

We assign interrupt orders

[novel steeple]

it's all mine!

[dark junco]

Pretty dope

But i’m really sad that I can’t even run wow to the 144hz 2k I want

Even with everything oc’ed and all

It just wont

[novel steeple]

I have gone through 2 vid cards so far. both RMA'd over the last 8 months

[dark junco]

I can do it, near stable, in 1080

Yeah rma’ed one at the monent. This one is starting to make harsh and loud coil noise

That wine... sync’ed with what I do too, hate it

[novel steeple]

haven't had any issues with the third card. run everything on max etc etc.

[dark junco]

1080ti?

[novel steeple]

reg 1080

[dark junco]

Kk

Running a oc’ed duke 1070ti

So bout the same as a 1080

But 2k ultra 144fps is a no go in town and all

Was ok before the “no-more-fullscreen” patch

[torn gulch]

is 360 bracers with socket at 100k worth it? haste/mastery

the 355 version is lower than 70k

[dreamy gorge]

If you have the money, up to you

[torn gulch]

gold is not that big of a problem 100k can be made back with proffs quite fast

[dreamy gorge]

Do you need the bracers now?

[torn gulch]

i have 340 with socket so tehnically no

i am sitting at 348

can go in m+ and i do not really raid

but 100k is so cheap

[novel steeple]

cheap is relative

[neat scaffold]

how viable is prot in +10

[dreamy gorge]

Only you can answer if it's worth or not :p

[torn gulch]

it is viable but you might need to work harder than other tanks

[dreamy gorge]

I'd probably buy em, 360 socket is nice but waiting til my weekly chest

[torn gulch]

uldir boe bracer prices are very low tbh

355 for 65k

of course there is a 390 with socket version for 4 million

[errant coral]

does spell reflect work for damg reduction against void lash?

[torn gulch]

actually 2.65 million

[raven kernel]

@errant coral yes

[torn gulch]

what was a socket worth in ilvl? like 20-ish if you put 40 haste in it?

[raven kernel]

Depends on item slot

20 on a cloak

Less on like chest

[torn gulch]

bracers in this case

[raven kernel]

Prob 10 or 15ish

[torn gulch]

not bad thank you

[stuck oxide]

355 Darkmoon deck vs 375 Tendril of g'huun ?

[random cliff]

deck

[prisma night]

which deck?

[random cliff]

squalls bro

[prisma night]

it couldve been fathoms or blockades

[random cliff]

the answers is either squalls or tides

for more hc throw dmg or more healing and mana regen

[prisma night]

mana regen op imo kappa

[broken kite]

🤔

[still sigil]

help me decide:

[random cliff]

how about you get a 40 haste gem first

socket 340 is way better btw

thats 99 haste 91 vers with a proper socket vs 107 haste and 47 vers

[still sigil]

cause im super poor lol

[prisma night]

yeah id go 340 personally

[random cliff]

36 stats for 8 str basically

[still sigil]

kk

[gaunt coyote]

what if warriors could do that purple npc directional shield? 🤔

[random cliff]

I can

I just equip my legion artifact and whisper into it and it shoots fire

[junior ivy]

what if warriors could summon people like warlocks cann

[random cliff]

what if warriors could use the power of the light to heal ourselves

[open bluff]

Summoning shout: "GET YOUR LAZY ASS IN HERE"

[random cliff]

that would be LIT fam!!! 🔥

[sick sentinel]

Overwhelming Power isn't a good azerite trait for Prot, is it? It loses a stack every time you get attacked

Just asking because IcyVeins claims Ashvane Warden's Cuirass (with OP) is better than Harpooner's Plate Cuirass (with Lifespeed)

The latter seems better to me

I would personally go for lifespeed

[mystic trellis]

Blood siphon seems pretty garbage. Would be better off with some extra dps with heed my call right?

Or winds of war? didnt see that one

[sick sentinel]

Winds of war is really nice tbh

5% evasion is good

And dodged attacks do not give you necrotic

But blood siphon is also good imo

[gaunt coyote]

excuse me warriors block with their face

dodging is for ninnies

[mystic trellis]

The leech did about 1% of all healing in a dungeon, seems quite negligible. But I guess the mastery is decent

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel ice veins says that lifesleed is actually S tier trait(along with azerite veins)

72 mastery is a gem and an enchant

And ANY healing is better than NO healing

[mystic trellis]

constant 1.85% dodge from winds of war

[sick sentinel]

Well but they recommend the chest without lifespeed hence my question

I'm just gonna go with the lifespeed one, I can't see OP working as a tank

Me neither

Get the haste

yep

my current gearing plan

bold stuff is things I already have

Then you're in a really good spot man

[mystic trellis]

Writing Jes Howlis (Tol'dagor) instead of dungeon (item) like you write for all other ones bothers me

just sayin

[gaunt coyote]

is prot bad at m+?

[viral pollen]

Not really ulto

I've pushed a 9 and 10 is doable

you have to pick your dungeons

but its possible and the dps helps push keys

[mystic trellis]

You have to know how to play is all. There are many horror stories with bad prots (saw one that never cast IP)

I got a compliment today saying i was the easiest prot they've healed

they have a bad stigma

[viral pollen]

A lot of people will deny prots in 8,9,10

so I guess thats the hardest part

[gaunt coyote]

I havent pushed warrior too hard because of devastate

[mystic trellis]

Felt the same way

[midnight ferry]

if 70 rage or above is dumping rage on ignore pain a priority over other?

[viral pollen]

I would say it depends on the fight and situation. but i am smol brain.

[midnight ferry]

I am making a weakauras where ignore pain glow when above 70 rage so

[wanton cobalt]

hi, just wanted to get opinions on current state of prot warr. How viable are they now with the GCD issues and SB cost/recharge time. I've had mixed reactions but the playstyle is insanely clunky as opposed to smooth from legion. Anyone else having same issue? Any adaptability tips?

[sick sentinel]

It's up to you the player

They're viable. Are you gonna be sought after for +15? Probably not

So if you want to get your +10 every week, Prot Warriors are fine

[viral pollen]

They good in Uldir for a lot of fights. And if you get like a freehold or a waycrest its definitely manageable

I dont think the GCD issues are crazy with into the fray and keeping ahste on you

[amber siren]

GCD isn't related at all to survivability 🤷

[gaunt coyote]

I miss the non-dr warbringer stun

with 2 other stuns that was like 10 seconds total

[mystic trellis]

Yeah you can easily hit 35% haste with smooths it up a lot

[old dawn]

I find prot warrior is pretty smooth for the most part

you just have to plan ahead a lot in fights

[wanton cobalt]

Ok, so around 330 ilvl they become a bit smootheR?

[old dawn]

I'm at 347 with 12% haste and it feels p okay

[mystic trellis]

Its more about the talent. I have 13% base haste.. but that jumps to 30% with into the fray

[old dawn]

^

[sick sentinel]

@amber siren I've seen prot warriors heroic leap into trash packs, pop revenge and then just stand there getting hammered and lose threat. It's sorta funny

[old dawn]

ugh.

that's modern tanks for you. used to how easy it was for a while there

[midnight ferry]

is it possible to make a shield block macro where it won't cast shield block unless shield block buff or last stand is missing

[old dawn]

no

just use the weak aura

[dense anchor]

nope, can't do conditional macros anymore

[mystic trellis]

That was never really possible.. maybe in vanilla lol

[dense anchor]

oh it was possible - hunters had a conditional macro and they would spam that macro and do their rotation

[midnight ferry]

I always accidentally press spell that is off the gcd, gotten used to facerolling the buttons as a dps

[mystic trellis]

When? Only conditionals now are like talent and modifier keys

[raven kernel]

That was tbc

1 macro

Bind to mouse wheel up and down

[mystic trellis]

Yeah before the removed lua from macros ?

[raven kernel]

Scroll your wheel

Maxdps

[dreamy gorge]

Poggers

[sick sentinel]

tbc was a good time.

[gaunt coyote]

they reworked the macro language to be easier, and much weaker

[wanton cobalt]

so all in all, with that being said

Warriors right now ... 6/10?

[amber siren]

Middle of the pack for sure

Not end of the world material

[sick sentinel]

I like them.

[raven kernel]

3/10 if poorly played, maybe even lower? Could be up to 8/10 if well played imo

[tiny sphinx]

wide skill band for sure, still lacking self sustain like every other damn tank tho

[uneven mason]

If you're worried about self sustain you have nfc how tanking works

[raven kernel]

^

[uneven mason]

BDK heals for 30% of damage, we mitigate 30% more - its a wash

we endup a bit ahead really

since other tanks have higher EHRPS

but we have lower HP pools and a much less forgiving toolkit

if you're bad at prot warriors you'll die

[tiny sphinx]

talking more about endurance, being solo, self healing, wrong choice of words perhaps, no need to get all high horse on me

[uneven mason]

if you're bad at a BDK or BrM you'll cost the healers more mana

Its no high horse, its a dead horse

thats been beaten and proven irrelevent time and again

[raven kernel]

Legion really ruined people's concept of what makes a good tank

[astral crystal]

bois

we did it

[amber siren]

poggers

[gaunt coyote]

im trying to make sure I use ip and sb at the same time

dont know if its right

[amber siren]

SB is the important one

IP is just nice if you can afford it

[gaunt coyote]

doesnt last long

[sick sentinel]

@gaunt coyote Try to use SB and afterwards IP. IP by itself won't do very much but SB helps mitigate the damage

[midnight ferry]

feeling like ignore pain on gcd is a mistake, coming from BrM where brews are off gcd.

[gaunt coyote]

the time it takes to get 70 rage seems to help the intervals stay consistent

[woeful reef]

This is off topic so I apologize but does anyone know if the m+ drop cap of 355 will be increased tomorrow with release of mythic raid?

[final mist]

Yes, it will be.

[woeful reef]

Great, cheers

[sick sentinel]

I'm excited to see how skittish will work in BfA

It's probably gonna be a dumpster fire for a lot of groups tomorrow

If I see a DH eye beam on pull I'm just gonna nope outta there

[raven kernel]

@midnight ferry shield block is off the gcd which is the primary mitigation similar to brew

Skittish is prob to our advantage since we do so much aoe dps

Other tanks will suffer more

[steel mauve]

im missing aoe taunt and beserk rage taking taunt off cd a lot

[timid patrol]

for low level dungeon crawling and whatnot is prot better than leveling as a dps

[candid cove]

Darkmoon card buff to shuffle faster with haste now? Seems interesting.

[dark junco]

Just cleAred a 10 siege

One of our boys dc’ed and we had to wait on him for like 35 mins

Dammit lol

Still went 1h something over timer tho, so we would have been 30 mins over anyway

Took a screenshot with chrome remote desktop lol: forgot to take one after the dungeon

[raven kernel]

Fixed a bug where some shields and off-hands had a chance to Titanforge. Existing items that have dropped will not change, but new drops of these items should no longer have a chance to Titanforge.

Poggers

hugs his shield

[open bluff]

Darkmoon Deck: Blockades will now shuffle more often based on Haste.

[red sun]

Poggers

[sick sentinel]

ok.

[vivid sage]

does that even

do anything

at all

[undone sun]

it makes it slightly better

[inland silo]

what if it shuffles off the good cards faster 🤔

[ashen flower]

so guys whats stats weight for prot?

[novel steeple]

ilvl > haste > everything else

[ashen flower]

ok, thx

[tired narwhal]

Purely from a pvp perspective I’m assuming blood dks would be masters for tank spec pvp. How does prot warrior fair for those that have been in it

[fickle geyser]

they run out of hp

[fathom marten]

Good morning everyone

So what will we be fighting about today?😁

[prisma crane]

viability of the class

[upbeat folio]

Ok. Stupid question. The first pull of tol'dagor. How do you avoid getting owned by the mechanic?

[dark junco]

What you mean?

You skip the pull and kill the first boss directly

Theres no pull before first boss

[upbeat folio]

You skip the croc and the back of crabs?

[dark junco]

Yup

You’re getting 106% anyway with all mandatory

And even by using keys/scrolls to open gates

Or rogue even

[upbeat folio]

I know of the go left thing, where you do one crab and then go to boss.

[dark junco]

@raven kernel yours titanforged?

[raven kernel]

Yeah

385

[dark junco]

Damn son

[raven kernel]

Mythic ready

[dark junco]

Its siposed to be wf only right?

[raven kernel]

Now it is

[dark junco]

I did a 10, so I could get a 380, so I could prob get a 385

[raven kernel]

Mines from raid

Vectis

[dark junco]

Dammmnn

Legit gg

[raven kernel]

Yeah I was stoked

[dark junco]

I was estatic (sp?) when I got my 355, can only imagine how you felt lol

Ecstatic* there we go found it

[upbeat folio]

5 tal dagors today, no shield yet. 😦

[sick sentinel]

Do we prefer tol shield over the one off Rezan?

[timid patrol]

is it normal for low level dungeons for people to pull off of you all the time?

just had a ret pally constantly pulling off of me

and i was using all of my abilities

[static lance]

first run of Rezan this week, +3 got the shield. and then did atal'dazar 3 more times because that was the only key we kept getting haha

how low level?

[sick sentinel]

Even during avatar Bin?

[timid patrol]

not that high eyt

yet

level 22

[static lance]

haven't done levelling content in ages, I can't help you there, sorry 😦

[timid patrol]

rip

i was told doing prot is easier than leveling as arms/fury i wanna main fury but i hate leveling another toon

for faster dungeon ques

but i was really struggling with aggro issues in the last dungeon i did a ret pally kept pulling off of me lmao noone else could just the ret pally

[sick sentinel]

If they had full looms on.... I’m sure.

Or during wings

[timid patrol]

and he was only doing like 20dps more than me

[sick sentinel]

I’d just keep going unless it’s causing wipes. You’re leveling, ya know?

[timid patrol]

but i have full looms too

[fickle geyser]

best way to level is to farm enough gold to buy level boost from blizzard shop

[timid patrol]

yeah it wasnt causing wipes

yeah @fickle geyser id do that if it would give me the heritage armor also

but sadly it does not

[sick sentinel]

Are a dark iron?

[timid patrol]

nah void elf

[sick sentinel]

That’s why you’re losing aggro

[timid patrol]

i dont play alliance much but i wanted the void elf

LOL whut

races shouldnt matter in that regard

[sick sentinel]

Oh it does.

[timid patrol]

i wasnt having any issue until that one dungeon with that one ret pally

[sick sentinel]

I’m teasing man.

[timid patrol]

LOL oh

[sick sentinel]

I just think IF one must play alliance.... dark iron dwarves are BIS

fire beard best beard

[fathom marten]

^

[timid patrol]

meh dont got them unlocked and i am meh about them tbh

[sick sentinel]

WutFace

[timid patrol]

but dat heritage armor for void elfs tho

i mainly play horde but im wanting to switch back to alliance tbh

[fathom marten]

Void elves... worst idea blizz came up with

[sick sentinel]

The best answer is- tobit you right. Lemme man up and unlock them fire beards and leave this void elf edge phase behind me

😂

[timid patrol]

LMAOOOO

or i could just go back to my actual main of a dh havoc on horde

but i kindof wanna quit dh bcuz of one reason lack of options of races

locked to literally 1 race

per faction

oh and can only have 1 per realm

[sick sentinel]

Yeah- I was a rarity for awhile- a male Dh 😂

But I hate what they did to vengeance and started playing Prot on the side at the end of Antorous

[timid patrol]

so even if i wanted to stay dh and experiance the alliance side of the story i cant

[sick sentinel]

Disgusting elves.

[fickle geyser]

so ur sayin u play male belf

[sick sentinel]

And I was like wait..... I hit people in the face.... with my shield?!

[timid patrol]

meh vdh is too squishy for me outside of demon spikes and it has shit uptime on it

[sick sentinel]

I found God in skyhold and now I am a beautiful chocolate orc

[timid patrol]

LMAO

did you see the nerfed the orc racial

[merry cave]

Fetid on my dh was awful lol

[sick sentinel]

My flavor of orc has no racial 😭

[serene shuttle]

waiting for that hotfix removing IP from teh GCD

😛

[crimson quiver]

Can prot Warriors tank fetid on heroic? I feel like im always outa cds?

[serene shuttle]

So, any of you tanked +5s on prot warriors or no?

I have to pug my groups as my guild can't do +5s yet

[crimson quiver]

I have, were fine there

[sick tree]

Oting on fetid is fine

[serene shuttle]

I'm scared that pugs won't take me, guess I'll just have to make my own groups

[raven kernel]

Prots are one of the best tanks on fetid

[crimson quiver]

Really? Just shield block the thrash after 50?

[sick tree]

I tank +5 just fine on my warrior

Yeah you can block the thrash

[serene shuttle]

With pugs to?

[sick tree]

Yeah I've done it with pugs a lot

[serene shuttle]

Everytime I try to pug on my warrior I get instant declined with a response of no prot warriors

And I'm 350il on him

[sick sentinel]

Keep applying @serene shuttle folks just drank the scuttle butt and really don’t know anything

[serene shuttle]

I'm like yes they're not DK or DHs but they're not the worst ever

Just takes a bit more planning for IP usage on magic damage, etc

[sick sentinel]

The only deficit I honestly feel is the lack of a grip

[serene shuttle]

WTB shield on prot war

That would hurt in +4 and higher with sanguine

[worldly hatch]

I finally got my shield from Warfronts, if you're Horde 😃

[sick sentinel]

But working on my pulls and perfecting LoS is fun though

[serene shuttle]

I should do warfront on warrior

I've been to busy spamming +5s on my DH lol

[worldly hatch]

Xmog gear is sexy too

[sick sentinel]

I LoS’d some casters the other night and the group was like “WHAT ARE YOU DOING THEY MOVED OUT OF NECROTIC. HOW!!”

[serene shuttle]

Lul

[sick sentinel]

DK is just so so so good.

[hushed cobalt]

any circumstance where you would want a macro'd shield block+IP?

[serene shuttle]

Don't believe you can macro GCD things, but why would you want to?

More freedom in deciding when to use them

[hushed cobalt]

block isnt on, so you can /cast block > IP

just curious moreso if thats acceptable or not, or situational

[tiny sphinx]

rage limitation

[serene shuttle]

Go for it I guess

I'd rather not though

[vivid sage]

i wouldnt imo

if you need an OSHIT button

block+IP prob aint saving your life

[hushed cobalt]

oh ya, not as an always used macro, but o shit

[serene shuttle]

if you need an OHSHIT button, your healers aren't doing their jobs?

[vivid sage]

lol

that's black and white

[serene shuttle]

idk its 3am here nad I'm like bleh

[fathom marten]

Lol

[vivid sage]

in a perfect world you never need an oshit button

[fathom marten]

Thats not entirely true

[vivid sage]

but you and others can make mistakes

[serene shuttle]

It was a joke

[fathom marten]

^

[serene shuttle]

lol

so I've gotten 25%ish from random dungeons leveling at 115...seems too good

I do have 200% reseted xp though

[sudden tapir]

The feeling when the main tank stops playing. Off-tank enjoys ‘off-tanking’ and the new GM wants you to step up to main tank..

Oh boy, bring on the stress. 😅

[fathom marten]

Honestly don't feel much stress mt

Dps have more to worry about tbh

I'm just sitting there getting hit in the face

Lol

[fierce halo]

What is an "offtank" doing in today's raiding world? I only know it from bc, when a dps specced Char would slap on a shield and tank an Add during a fight. Today I always thought of both tanks being equally important.

[serene shuttle]

main tank usually is the one raid leading or assisting the raid leading imo

one that plans the tank swap rotations, etc

but thats just me

[raven kernel]

It's an outdated thing

Back in the day there were almost no tank swap mechanics

You had one MT who was fed gear and tanked almost everything

[serene shuttle]

thats why i said the MT is usually the one making the decisions imo about the raid and things

[raven kernel]

OTs would usually just be tanking adds

In modern raid design both tanks are pretty much considered MTs

Being an MT does not strictly lead to raid leading

I've been in a us top 20 guild in cata where the MT wasn't even an officer

He decided almost nothing

Raid leader called everything for him

It's just that in most guilds usually the mt ends up in a position if seniority due to the nature of the role

[serene shuttle]

All the guilds I've been in, not top 20, but US50 I was an officer because I was basically raid leading at that point lol

[raven kernel]

And eventually picks up some responsibilities

I just wanna clarify that being the mt does not automatically come hand in hand with raid leading

[old zephyr]

Some fight like Mother or taloc, there could be an off tank, but eh, we plan who's getting What, when ans Where together with my cotank so Doesn't really matter

[smoky wave]

are there any streams or videos on prot warriors in M+? My google-fu has failed me

[merry cave]

Sense (I think) did a 10 freehold which is on YouTube

[smoky wave]

great, thanks

[orchid sand]

what routes are you m+ tasnks taking in Atal'Dazar?>

[old zephyr]

go straight to rezan, BL on him.
GO back to the trash on the left, take irst 2 pack, patrol and the 2 dudes left from the staire

then go back to the right side, take stealth on the first stairs, and first reanimated honor guard

Take the 2 skeleton patroll and skip the 2 pack on the right by sticking close to the edge

before the 3rd pack move around a bit to get the stealth dude alone
3rd pack, CC the caster (don't know the english name sry) with rogue/DH (monk and hunt doesn't work, don't know other) and skip it

jump down the stairs and kill 2 steath

kill the 4 at botom

go to Volk, kill the 4 dudes in front of him using the stairs you just cleared for room (beware there are adds on right and left)

kill volk with BL

then go to priest by taking all the small lizards and screamers (skip big dinos)

kill the trash below the stairs and everythin in bossromm

you now have 100%

kill boss without BL and last with B

[orchid sand]

Im going to go in on normal and try solo in that order

[west pelican]

@orchid sand I would save BL for the pack "above the stairs to the left"

[old zephyr]

nah this pack is easy

mcuh easyer than the one in front of volk

[west pelican]

that one you skip

[raven kernel]

The hardest pull is the volk trash

[west pelican]

or at least we do

[old zephyr]

noone ever shown me how to skip these

and I need their % anyway

[west pelican]

ok.. we get 100% exactly without them, can share route later, not at home. You skip with rogue in and invis pot out

[orchid sand]

Thats alot of good info. ty guys

[old zephyr]

Most of the time I don't have rogue ...

but with a boomkin/cham they are easy

[merry cave]

Weve done left route first too in up to 7s with easy timer

[old zephyr]

summon something to tank the bi one while you downt priest and kite in the stairs

[west pelican]

check this video: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308140844

[merry cave]

And used lust on trash

[west pelican]

They know what they are doing 😃

[merry cave]

Because the bosses are so easy

[west pelican]

(they skip volk pack with a lock portal)

[orchid sand]

last time we tried to shroud past the pack righty before the pack in front of Vol'kaal something aggros them

i tried to find out what it was

[west pelican]

probably just someone walking too close to them 😛

[merry cave]

Probably a darkglare pet lol

[old zephyr]

stealth dude

[merry cave]

That little shit runs off and aggros whole packs

[old zephyr]

yeah

i usually need to "run around" for 20sec to find him

[merry cave]

Aww no buffs and no longer can tf shields

Right after my other tank got a 380 warfront shield 👎

[hexed geyser]

Guys my prot warr is 356 ilvl and am struggling in mythic +7 is that normal for everyone or am I doing something wrong?

Am obviously queuing with pugs so that doesn’t help at all

[prisma night]

I had a similar experience except im 340 and having some issues with 5s

Kinda felt helpless

Felt better taking heroic fetid thrashes honestly

[hexed geyser]

Necrotic is fucking me up

[raven kernel]

Get a necrotic weakaura

Kite when it gets high

Go back when it drops

You have to kite anyway for sanguine

[hexed geyser]

I need a coordinated group for that though right?

Because it sure is easier said than done

Like I know that am pretty good tank and the way I use my cool downs and stuff is pretty fine but man

Like in tol dogor

There is mobs who shadowstep to you

[prisma night]

First person simulator with sanguine

So little room its obnoxious

[hexed geyser]

True

I heard in general first week affixes are just brutal

And that tomorrow it will be much better

Today for US

[raven kernel]

I prefer non kiting affixes lul

So much easier

Suits us better too for avatar tc spam

[hexed geyser]

Skettish and exploding

Hmmmm

Also no fortified

[merry cave]

I don't know is about 'better' I see a lot of groups failing miserably at tyranical

And dumb ass dps dying to skittish

[hexed geyser]

If anything warrior will probably be best at skittish due to our tc spam

[merry cave]

There are some bosses with rough abilities even on fort. fuck doing another 11 motherload for example that dude did 45k fire damage autos without tyrnacial

Monk has the aoe taunt too, they'll be ok

[hexed geyser]

Ye

Did you manage to do +10 for the weekly chest

?

[merry cave]

Not in time

[hexed geyser]

But you will get phat loot so

[merry cave]

Indeed and hopefully a pleasent key

[hexed geyser]

I got +7 so far and I hope I can do +10 today

[merry cave]

We got a 10 shrine from the 11 and just logged off 😂

[hexed geyser]

Already got my 2k rating in pvp for the week

The question is how in earth did people get their keys to 11

[merry cave]

Except for last boss, motherload wasn't difficult it just took ages due to being safe with ghuunies spawning and (relative) low dps to key level

[hexed geyser]

You need to have some serious badass group

[merry cave]

2 chested a 6 atal, 1 chested the 8 then the key holder did the 9 atal 2 chest with some friends

Then I sniped the 11

But we also had people with 24/25 keys due to the bug

But it was 2x shrines 1x waycrest 2x Kings rest so we kinda drew the unlucky card

[hexed geyser]

Kings rest fuck me that dungeon especially the room after first boss

Is literal cancer