protection

[uneven mason]

I like on use DR

[frosty wedge]

so a 380 is probably like half a demo shout

to cover demo shout downtime

[weary python]

Thoughts on these choices for trinkets... 355 Big Red Button, 360 Disc of Systematic Regression, 350 Ravasaur Skull Bijou. 345 Rezan's Gleaming Eye. Right now I'm using the first two, but I'm not sure if they are the best option.

[uneven mason]

345 rezan's

omnomnom

[steel mauve]

Ya i like jes howler, 700 versa for hitting 4 allies on the 340 version

[frosty wedge]

at 380 it's:
Use: Let out a Motivating Howl, granting 814 Versatility for 12 sec split among you and up to 4 nearby allies. For each ally you motivate, you gain an additional 143 Versatility. (2 Min Cooldown)

[uneven mason]

which nets you 802 vers

whats the conversion on vers?

oh 143

hmm

The tooltip in wowhead is different, they adjust the trinket recently?

[frosty wedge]

you can change the ilvl on wowhead to adjust the numbers

[pliant notch]

Ok protection atm is bronze tier tank class, maybe we will. Get tuned in 1 month?

[sick sentinel]

prot is good for raiding

[sick sentinel]

not so much for m+ yet still decent

[vivid sage]

#solidarity

[sick sentinel]

i get that all the time 😄

[dusk locust]

yep i've gotten that

[chilly brook]

@pliant notch bronze tier? Lol

Please come again?

[elfin arrow]

Show healing done on that one Griff

[tired stump]

I just looted [Vanquished Tendril of G'huun], does anyone know what the equip does, and if its worth anything?

[uneven mason]

I like how folks are always "Show us some healing versus DK" thats basically the same as asking a BDK to linkblocked damage

[chilly brook]

@elfin arrow

Actually jk

That’s from fetid

Lul

Here’s fetid

[strong hill]

@tired stump I think the general felling on all the trinkets in uldir are crap. So you have something to take up bag space I guess

[winter skiff]

What about blockade trink

[uneven mason]

its worth using

[elfin arrow]

I am not joking, I was legit asking to know how much healing the DK did on that fight is all

[winter skiff]

Isnt that the best in slot for prot warr

[steel mauve]

Tank trinkets are pretty garbage atm outside of a few shiners, theres mostly just less shitty trinkets than great trinkets

[winter skiff]

That and jes howler really strong

[uneven mason]

well BDKs do ~ 30% damage taken as self healing Binski

[chilly brook]

Here’s vectis

[vivid sage]

obviously a dk is going to take more damage

[chilly brook]

Regardless of how much “healing” the BDK is doing it’s not going to end up being more mitigation than prot

Literally everyone takes more damage than prot @vivid sage

[vivid sage]

yeah but that guy is asking you to show the healing so you get a more full picture of how that tank dealt with damage lol

[chilly brook]

I mean do you wanna insert my healing as well and make it a wash? Lol

[uneven mason]

the DK had about 16% more EHRPS

[dusk locust]

you want to look at EHRPS

[vivid sage]

well he healed 2x as much as that prot

as DKs doo

[uneven mason]

basically

all in all

the values are extremely close

[vivid sage]

it's a cherrypicked stat to just show that pic lol

[uneven mason]

Its a wash

[chilly brook]

It’s not really cherry picking

It’s literally a wash

[uneven mason]

he showed you both ends

[chilly brook]

^

Showing the DK’s healing literally practically doesn’t matter

He still ends up taking a considerable amount more

[elfin arrow]

To be honest the only time I tank is to sword and board a few low key M+ for guildies, healers rarely complain about healing me even tho I have to really focus sometimes and have some close calls. I guess that is because I don't prio any "tank gear" are vers/mast trinkets going to make a huge difference for a low lvl M+ or should I just keep dps trinkets equipped?

[uneven mason]

As I said asking a warrior to go up against a BDK in healing is like asking the BDK to link their total blocked damage

that isn't how this works

[vivid sage]

no i understand that

[chilly brook]

The point I was making is that saying that prot is a “bronze tier” tank is a one helluva lie

[vivid sage]

maybe i thought your intention of that picture was to show how much better warrior was than dk

but i think

you were just trying to say we're not bronze tier

[uneven mason]

No he was just saying - Warriors mitigate, and BDKs heal

[frosty wedge]

@elfin arrow haste is where it's at

[uneven mason]

We're gold teir mitigation tanks

[vivid sage]

to be fair, you only linked the healing after someone asked you

[fresh dragon]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308140844?t=
some1 know the addon's name of mythic+ run?

[vivid sage]

so you can see how i only saw that one pic

[chilly brook]

All I was saying is we’re not bronze tier and we end up taking the least amount of damage over the course of a fight

[uneven mason]

Right, but if someone is going to say "Warriors suck" and we're going to provide reasoning that we're not

[vivid sage]

i get that

[chilly brook]

Well because tbh self healing is an irrelevant stat to bring up

[vivid sage]

i would have to disagree

[uneven mason]

In general folks come in here all day long and try and shit on the spec, and it just comesdown to, we're REALLY hard to play optimally right now

prot is horribly unforgiving

but it is a wash Peno - we will never reach a point where a tank can self sustain

[vivid sage]

yes but mitigation is one snapshot of all the things that go into a tanks survivability

[uneven mason]

exactly, which is why its just as irrelevant in a vacuum as the other tanks self healing

[vivid sage]

ofc

[uneven mason]

full toolkits are what matter, and should be considered

[vivid sage]

i'm just sort of hitting home on the idea you have to look at everything

i think we're speaking the same language here

[uneven mason]

Yeah, we should be

picking on Griff

for memeing that mitigation image

[vivid sage]

exactly

team up

kick him

[chilly brook]

I mean it is a meaningless stat though tbh

[vivid sage]

from guild

[pliant notch]

Seems like I have light the fire, fuck that I will play protection

[vivid sage]

@frosty glen self healing?

[chilly brook]

In raid absolutely

Look at how much he still needed

Same role

[vivid sage]

does HPS on WCL count overheal or does it trim it of the calc

[uneven mason]

Although I mean single snapshots

[chilly brook]

Not sure if it does or doesn’t

[uneven mason]

you can do some funny stuff

like

self healing

[vivid sage]

the entire design of a BDK is take large damage and heal through it

[fleet ridge]

I hate that we have the stigma now that "prot sucks" - so people don't even invite us to groups

[vivid sage]

so you cant say self heal is meaningless

[chilly brook]

Yes but the argument behind self healing is that it means that less healing is required

[vivid sage]

no it's not

because they take more damage

[chilly brook]

Clearly that’s not the case

[uneven mason]

Normal G'huun funtimes

[vivid sage]

that's their "mitigation"

[digital arrow]

its fine dude, let the popular opinion be war sucks so we can fly under blizz radar for nerf-hammer muwahaha

[uneven mason]

#2 on my own self healing

professional level

[chilly brook]

And even if that’s their mitigation it still clearly falls behind

[vivid sage]

in this one fight

[chilly brook]

Yet they’re considered “higher” than us

[uneven mason]

that was normal G'huun takin 9 stacks

make use of them IPs

[chilly brook]

I mean in pretty much all fights

[vivid sage]

requiring more healing doesn't necessarily mean harder to heal

[uneven mason]

^^

[chilly brook]

I’m not saying it does

[uneven mason]

Monks and Druids are strong examples of that

[chilly brook]

If that was true monks would be bottom tier

[uneven mason]

VDH tho are harder to heal

they take damage like wet cardboard

manasponge is their flavor

[strong hill]

@digital arrow I’ve been saying that for days now. Everyone keep a low profile so they don’t nerf us

[chilly brook]

Inb4 EN level nerfs

[strong hill]

Ya that was a whole lot of suck that was

[digital arrow]

@strong hill lets just agree with people who come into the channel with the daily "war sucks change my mind" routine

[frosty wedge]

I'd just really love IP off the GCD and I'd be happy

[chilly brook]

Eh I just want a beefier IP

[uneven mason]

🏏 🐴 💀

[chilly brook]

I’m fine with it being the way it is as long as it lasts longer through hits

[vivid sage]

i would like a cooldown where the warrior charges the target and pushes it back with it

[chilly brook]

That’s it bois

[frosty wedge]

yeah, beefier would be nice as well - but if they're going to make it last for less than a GCD it'd be ncie if we didn't have to spend one on it, lol

[fleet ridge]

I like IP off the GCD; the GCD change was a fucking debacle

[chilly brook]

Let’s all just run to the forums and cry that IP dies in one global

[fleet ridge]

agreed @chilly brook

[vivid sage]

it is a pretty unsatisfying button to press

[chilly brook]

Maybe they’ll buff it and we’ll be insane and no one will know

[vivid sage]

imo

[uneven mason]

"Prot is Consolation Prize tier, IP off the GCD, stacking to 300%, make AP coefficient 7"

[odd ridge]

Hey guys just dropping in to say Prot sucks, change my mind etc

[uneven mason]

Ok

[chilly brook]

It’s only not satisfying because it’s gone so fast imo

[uneven mason]

🚪 👈

[vivid sage]

buff prot self healing

[strong hill]

Under the radar everyone

[frosty wedge]

Yeah like, half the time I don't even see it hit my health bar

[fleet ridge]

defensive abilities should be off the GCD, alot of times you don't have a GCD worth of time to save yourself right?

[frosty wedge]

I yell, I get hit, shield's gone

[uneven mason]

I really think just a 1.5 point shift in our AP coefficient would make IP feel very satisfying

[ember arrow]

@fleet ridge if one gcd is enough for u to die u fucked up

[chilly brook]

If IP is what’s saving you, you’re going about prot wrong

[uneven mason]

I mean it is about 13.5% of our total health right now...

[chilly brook]

We’re not in legion anymore

[uneven mason]

that isn't a bad thing

[frosty wedge]

yeah I'm not saying IP is saving, I want to keep IP up for smoothing, but it's barely up a second after I cast it

[uneven mason]

you use IP - it smooths, it goes away (an absorb ERMAGHAWD)

[chilly brook]

No I’m talking about @fleet ridge ‘s comment

If IP is your “save me” button you’re going about it wrong

[uneven mason]

Yeah, @fleet ridge If you're going to die in 1 GCD and you can see it coming 1. IP won't save you. 2. the mistake was made LONG before you reach that point.

most "I died" screwups for prot happen about 8 - 10s before you died.

[chilly brook]

Don’t get me wrong, IP is a good tool

[blissful imp]

I had a couple of deaths on Heroic Fetid last week as the thrash tank where if IP was off GCD I would have lived

[fleet ridge]

Got it

[chilly brook]

One that does actually translate well into full on mitigation

[blissful imp]

2 deaths I can think of actually

[chilly brook]

But that’s it it’s a tool

[fleet ridge]

So i need to L2P

haha

[vivid sage]

i.e. i hit block while he channeled for 6 seconds and then did 200% more damage after

[digital arrow]

i just changed my prot war into a gnome and he sounds like he's sneezing when i cast thunderclap lmao

[uneven mason]

fitting

its a gnome

[digital arrow]

im dyin'

[fleet ridge]

hahaha

[digital arrow]

sneeze so strong it gets enemies attention

[frosty wedge]

so I've pretty much resigned myself to m+ for this xpac because my schedule is super unpredictable and pugging raids kills me

[digital arrow]

same @frosty wedge

im happy mythic is a viable way to gear up in this game

[chilly brook]

I mean you basically press IP to spend excess rage or if the damage you’re going to take isn’t blockable

[frosty wedge]

but how bad is pugging normal atm?

[chilly brook]

All the rest of your mitigation is SB, SW and LS

[dusk locust]

you can get pretty far with a decent pug raid lead

[chilly brook]

Which does far more in the long run

[frosty wedge]

don't forget DS

[grim prism]

@digital arrow mythic is the only viable way to gear up for prot, considering the shit that drops (and doesnt drop) in the raid

[frosty wedge]

constant DS uptime is key

[fleet ridge]

How many times in a fight are you using DS/SB/LS?

[chilly brook]

All the time

[grim prism]

Too bad azerite isnt targetable :^)

[uneven mason]

@blissful imp If IP would have saved you, and you have appropriate CDs up than you were either not at 100% health (Healers?) or you did not have appropriate CDs in place, and thus would have died regardless of the 30k absorb from IP anyway.

[chilly brook]

@fleet ridge

I didn’t get 66% uptime for nothing 😜

[uneven mason]

Seeing your gaps ahead of time is how prot works, and if you died because of a GCD, you were not ahead of the damage heh 😄 I mean, shit happens, healers OOM, other folks make mistake, but IP wouldn't be a lifesaver more or less, chances are the falling behind was the Trash before and not the one that killed you.

[fleet ridge]

You are an animal @chilly brook

[uneven mason]

OCD with that Demo shout

[chilly brook]

Demo everytime it comes up

Even if you already have the buff on target

[fleet ridge]

I haven't raided yet; just hit 120 a couple days ago; so my "IP GCD" talk, is not really tested enough

[uneven mason]

convinced Griff hits himself when DS falls off early

[chilly brook]

Yea prolly right

[uneven mason]

Like, whips himself for punishment

[fleet ridge]

you aren't using devastator right?

[vivid sage]

is that a reasonable damage profile on ghuun

[strong forum]

oh shit ma boi @shut summit highest raider.io score prot warri world currently

[blissful imp]

@uneven mason I don't disagree that I could have planned better because we did kill it eventually after learning when he is going to stomp and stuff, but those 2 deaths were a 2k overkill and an 8k overkill from full health that I would have survived with IP. Needed rage for it though and it was on GCD right before the hit came and so DEAD.

[strong forum]

gratz dude

[brisk flax]

On Zul how many stacks should tanks take

4 seems a little much

[strong forum]

2-3

[chilly brook]

@fleet ridge nope no Devastator

[fresh dragon]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/308140844?t=
do u know addon's name of mythic+ run?

[uneven mason]

So, I Mean, the GCD was somewhat irrelevant? Also, I always ask for an external around stompy time.

[brisk flax]

and after 2 it should be enough time to get back and get the boss before the other tank gets 4?

[blissful imp]

But u hear they nerfed thrash, and with more gear going into this week it's not a big deal.

[chilly brook]

@vivid sage seems reasonable to me

[grim prism]

@fresh dragon gottagofast

[fresh dragon]

i have it and its different

[chilly brook]

That’s a far less well played prot iteration for myself though

[fresh dragon]

it does not show death counter

and has different

[grim prism]

Did you update it

[vivid sage]

@chilly brook what % of melee are you mitigating

[fresh dragon]

ofc i have twich

client

[grim prism]

@chilly brook dawg just link the logs lol

The only thing worse than looking at WCL on mobile is looking at screenshots of it

[uneven mason]

you can use search :d

you know his name

[strong forum]

takkero you can display deathcount with gotta go fast, but i want his addon aswell

[digital arrow]

can anyone recommend a good wa cursor? maybe something that's not distracting

[strong forum]

might be just a reskin of gotta go fast

what

[grim prism]

@digital arrow a what?

[digital arrow]

oh wait i should ask this in the ui channel

[wide juniper]

wtf is a wa cursor

lol

[digital arrow]

a cursor with weak auras lol

[fresh dragon]

lemme no @digital arrow

know?

[chilly brook]

@vivid sage https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6vhtH9wXQNZYRyC8/#fight=last&type=summary

Mobile is being stupid so here you go

[uneven mason]

74% melee mitigation?

[chilly brook]

Idk

[grim prism]

I mean

You can anchor any WA to your cursor

[digital arrow]

just a simple circle or something so that cursor is easy to find.. i use highlight target macros and sometimes need to place my mouse on enemy quickly

for kicks

[uneven mason]

72%

[chilly brook]

I won’t sit here and say it was my best pull ever

[grim prism]

Oh

Just make a progresstexture WA and pick one that looks like a circle

[uneven mason]

Griff y no G'huun kill?

[chilly brook]

Hmm?

[grim prism]

Set the trigger to always visible

[chilly brook]

We have g’huun dead my guy

[grim prism]

And anchor to cursor under display

[chilly brook]

At least on normal

[uneven mason]

o ok u went back the next day

[grim prism]

Look ikar

[chilly brook]

Oh wait wrong one

[grim prism]

My guy is parsing 99s

[chilly brook]

Lol

[grim prism]

Im gonna need you to back off

[vivid sage]

@uneven mason what %mit of melee should i be aiming for

[grim prism]

He's parsing for both of us right now since my raid career is dead

[uneven mason]

70 - 75%

I mean

[chilly brook]

Here you go

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x1FfwgmpA3tkjnLz/

[hollow oxide]

Hey dudes, on the m+ ladderboard arent any prot warrios. Can some1 explain why?

[chilly brook]

Like I said I’m not gonna claim my performance on g’huun was amazing, it was before I fixed some of my DCD issues

[uneven mason]

Cause you're looking at the wrong section?

Sense is up there

#3 run is prot war?

[hollow oxide]

Look On raider.io

[uneven mason]

strong reasoning would be perception bias

[chilly brook]

Is there a way to swap off mobile on WCL?

[uneven mason]

All in all the folks who have been pushing higher keys the first week didn't use prot warriors, because we're rougher to play than Prot paladins/BrM/BDK

[grim prism]

@chilly brook on chrome for android you should be able to just toggle "show desktop site"

Dawg

@hollow oxide

#4 highest run worldwide was with a prot war

[chilly brook]

That awkward moment when you’re on an iPhone

[grim prism]

Then no, probably not

[split stratus]

Is that pawn string up to date ? ( Pawn: v1: "Warrior: Protection": Class=Warrior, Spec=Protection, Stamina=0.6, Indestructible=0.01, MinDamage=0.94, MovementSpeed=0.01, Armor=0.25, HasteRating=0.71, MasteryRating=1.05, Versatility=1.13, MaxDamage=0.94, Strength=1.29, CritRating=0.91, Avoidance=0.11, Leech=0.09 )

[grim prism]

But you made your choice

[uneven mason]

Found your problem 🍎 🗑

[grim prism]

@split stratus dont use pawn it doesnt work

[split stratus]

Oh :/

[grim prism]

(For prot)

[vivid sage]

i love playing prot, but it does lack a lot of the utility that can be very useful in M+

[uneven mason]

No Harbard, there are no working SimC strings

for prot

because its like

[grim prism]

Just do ivl > all on armor pieces

And prioritize haste on sidegrades

[uneven mason]

on the priority level of "I'll do it when I get fired"

[split stratus]

Alright, thanks guys

[uneven mason]

I am yet amazingly, still employed

[chilly brook]

I mean most useful utility isn’t exclusive to tanks

[grim prism]

Yeah we are going to fix prot sims someday

Probably

Kappa

[uneven mason]

probably 8.1.5ish

[chilly brook]

In 9.1

[uneven mason]

9.0

prepatch

working strings

[grim prism]

Its open source so, yaknow, anytime anyone wants to step in

[chilly brook]

Me play warrior me dumb me smash

So rule me out

[grim prism]

^

[frosty wedge]

LOL

[uneven mason]

I got my own programs to write

ones that makey money

[grim prism]

The only C++ I know is my high school English grade

[chilly brook]

Lol

[frosty wedge]

Yeah - the one thing that would be nice is some form of CC or something, a mass taunt/mass grip would be amazing

[uneven mason]

D isn't that widespread Balsaq

should've learned another language

[frosty wedge]

but we're not getting any of that

[uneven mason]

Engineering grenades

[grim prism]

I'm making a new one

[uneven mason]

I got poly

[grim prism]

Its called Doobie

[uneven mason]

Doobiean?

[grim prism]

Progress has been slow for some reason

LOL doobiean

Nailed it

[scarlet osprey]

Hey guys. I'm a disc priest running with a prot war friend consistently. I noticed we ran into some issues on the shadow of zul in kings rest +6. How do you guys deal with this? I was thinking of maybe LoSing the shadow barrage

[chilly brook]

Didn’t we use to have warbanner or something that was an aoe taunt?

[surreal maple]

I've been browsing this channel all day while at work and somehow i always see you here griff

[uneven mason]

We also had an AE taunt

[frosty wedge]

yeah I know

mocking banner was the shit

[chilly brook]

@surreal maple it’s called being in class 😜

[uneven mason]

iebe - roll CDs (all of them)

and pray

[chilly brook]

And having 45 minute stints in between classes

[prisma crane]

@scarlet osprey that mob is shit in general, i recommend saving lust for that over the boss tbh

[grim prism]

Man I remember last expac when I was "the guy" who was always in here

[uneven mason]

Shadow of Zul is pretty horrible

[dark junco]

@scarlet osprey we saved lust for it

[grim prism]

For a while people even thought i was helpful

[uneven mason]

He's literally harder than the last boss for prot

[dark junco]

Cause he’s harder than the boss

^

[chilly brook]

Plus I still got more to learn since I rerolled to prot this xpac after playing monk for the last 4 years

[dark junco]

Yup what Ikarikaze said

[grim prism]

LOL

[uneven mason]

The last boss is laughable to tank for a warrior

[grim prism]

Picked a fine time to switch

[vivid sage]

100% magic damage fortified add monka S

[scarlet osprey]

Hehe seems like the advice you are giving is what our shammy came up with after we downed it

[uneven mason]

but Zul is like

[strong hill]

@chilly brook taunt banner was great

[uneven mason]

Yeah, basically the warrior needs to keep IP up and use DS - heal himself with LS if he gets low

hit shield wall once DS fades

[dark junco]

If its magic damage, we’re in a bad place: long cd magic mitig, smaller healthpool, block not working

[uneven mason]

and hope that it'll die

otherwise throw pain supression

[dark junco]

Best solution is to shorten the fight

[chilly brook]

@grim prism prot is the sleeper tank dude, I swear we’ll get an unneeded buff at some point and be like “lawl look at how crap all the other tanks are” or at least that’s what I like to tell myself

[uneven mason]

Magic tank busters we're the best at

[grim prism]

We wont get a buff, we do too much damage

At least i hope we dont

[uneven mason]

can do upwards of 80% On a big magic hit

[grim prism]

We would be broken if we did

[uneven mason]

but only every 25 seconds

[chilly brook]

Either way it is the sleeper tank

[uneven mason]

well more if we push SW

[dark junco]

Yeah but on sustained magic we’re screwed

[chilly brook]

Everyone sleeps on it

[uneven mason]

but sustained magic we have nothing

[chilly brook]

But we do very well

[scarlet osprey]

Yeah I have pain supp and rapture to help with tank mitigation but outside that I feel so useless

[dark junco]

Gimme 2 charges of SR

[chilly brook]

Any tank with sustained magic damage is screwed

[grim prism]

Believe me i know, i get slept on in every 6+ i apply to lol

[dark junco]

Or even 1 charge but reflect all

[scarlet osprey]

Shadow mend spam doesnt cut it

[dark junco]

🤔

[uneven mason]

heh

[dark junco]

We need legion SR back

[frosty wedge]

if AM lowered the CD on SR I'd be happy.

[chilly brook]

AM should just react with everything

[dark junco]

But for real @scarlet osprey beside using LS, Demo, SR and SW

[chilly brook]

👌🏻

[dark junco]

At one point he’ll get rekt

So heroing solved it for us

[chilly brook]

He could always leap out and run 😜

[dark junco]

Boss is laughable anyway

[chilly brook]

TBH I love that last boss

[scarlet osprey]

Yeah we'll do it like that next time. I appreciate the good advice

[chilly brook]

A fun encounter imo

[dark junco]

Np

Make sure to bring cookies and save one for him too

That helped

[frosty wedge]

yeah I like the boss, but shadow of zul is the fking worst

[scarlet osprey]

^^

[dark junco]

If he’s a dranei, GoTN helps too

[chilly brook]

Oh so btw Zek’voz or w/e his name is you can easily take all 3 hits in heroic

Just sayin

[dark junco]

Yeah we just noticed yeaterday I could do them all

Just gotta tell the healers to not heal and wait a bit

[scarlet osprey]

Sometimes I wish he was a dwarf to remove poison/bleeds :p

[chilly brook]

Like ez status

[dark junco]

Else they spam for no reason

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t really drop you below 50%

Especially if you SR the first or third hit

[dark junco]

No but -100% heals for few sec

[chilly brook]

Eh don’t get hit by anything 😜

[dark junco]

Like heals spamming like crazy for no reason on Zek lol

[chilly brook]

It’s basically like Vari, there’s nothing for you to be hit by once you’re taunted off

[dark junco]

You don’t chose who the adds cast on

[chilly brook]

Can’t the adds be cc’d though?

[dark junco]

Yeah, but they still get 1-2 cast out anyway

[chilly brook]

Idk cuz I don’t pay attention to non tank things

I DO shockwave the warriors when they’re on top of the boss so I can tclap to victory

[dark junco]

But its more of a reflex thing for heals to spam a tank if they’re low

Just gotta tell em not to until you tell them “alright healme”

[chilly brook]

Gotta pad amirite?

[dark junco]

Yeah, was bringing the boss over and a few dps were like: don’t bring him on us we’ll get cleave. Like no he doesn’t. “But we’ll get parried”. Like just gimme 2 sec to place him so I can help ya dps and do 30k burst ffs

[chilly brook]

Lol

[dark junco]

I’ll pad, kill the adds faster, and reduce everyone damage taken with dc and demo

So please lemme do my thing xD

[chilly brook]

Had a DH eat a shadow smash or w/e because he wouldn’t stop DPSing while I was dragging him to the safe circle

[dark junco]

^

Happens way too often

[chilly brook]

Can’t DPS if you’re dead

🙃

[dark junco]

Then they’re “Don’t kite him into melee”. Like legit I gotta move him and place myself too, move out and don’t stand on me

Had 2 dps die cause “hey I got trashed wtf hold aggro”

Dont stand on skull and X ffs

xD

30 IQ plays

[chilly brook]

Lol

I mean that boss isn’t a dps race either

[dark junco]

^

[chilly brook]

It’s not fetid

Or Zul

[dark junco]

On fethid, we were skipping 2nd blood shit

[surreal maple]

Well it looks to me like your point of view makes sense Kral but u gotta accept what the raid wants sometimes even if is not the optimal

[strong hill]

@dark junco had one of our dps eat the thrash because they got between me , the boss and the other tank

[dark junco]

Cause scaling for 30 was shit

Lolll @strong hill

[chilly brook]

Sometimes people in my raid make my wanna bash my head through a wall

Had one warrior trying to tell me where I should tank mother because they wanted to avoid being hit by the smash on winds

It’s like disconnect from the boss for 3 SECONDS

it’s not hard

And it’s out of my control

[dark junco]

@surreal maple yeah, I understand, but I make sure I explain my point accros and most of the time, I know my shit. Tank pressure is real and I gotta know what I have to do

[surreal maple]

Gotcha bruh

[dark junco]

“Tank her in the doorway ffs”

[uneven mason]

If the tank is moving a boss, or changing position - its on the DPS to move heh

[strong hill]

@chilly brook the tunnelling is strong in some dps

[chilly brook]

Same with Zek’voz we were just gonna stand on opposite sides and have each other taunt off and then have DPS stand on the sides or just swap sides when taunted but then they complained that it’s too hard to avoid clouds like that

[dark junco]

Like no: can’t see shit, hard time to fit into the grid, and if sanitize strike + grid same time, you guys will get os”

[chilly brook]

And I’m like the problem isn’t the clouds at that point it’s you and your awareness

[cloud bone]

It's also really easy to tell now more then ever if a dps doesn't know the mechanics

[uneven mason]

I havn't had to, but in my old raiding guild the DPS who would link meters, would be the ones I stood on for Forging Strike, they figured it out eventually..

So, I mean, if you just start randomly getting the annoying DPS cleaved

they might stop

[dark junco]

HahahahhA

I was doing that, but for giggles

OR when they stood too close to me

[uneven mason]

the bbest part was

I'd move my marker

[chilly brook]

Meh we don’t have the DPS to just troll people rn

[uneven mason]

on to someone else

[dark junco]

Like legit we have skull and cross

[uneven mason]

so they didn't even see me.

[dark junco]

Look at your screen

[uneven mason]

if I wanted to stand on them

[chilly brook]

Peeps need to bring their parses up fr

[uneven mason]

then put it back right after

be like "WAT U WAS ON X"

[dark junco]

xD

[chilly brook]

5:30 fetid fight

[uneven mason]

😟

[chilly brook]

We really need people to step it up

[strong hill]

@dark junco first few pulls the raid lead called out “ cleansing smash in coming “ and still 3 dps decided to plant them selves when I moved

[uneven mason]

5:30

[chilly brook]

really need it

[uneven mason]

Thats like what, 2 full minutes of sub 50%?

[chilly brook]

Granted our best DPS got thrashed at the beginning lol

[frosty wedge]

do people prefer bigwigs or dbm?

[chilly brook]

Bigwigs tbh

[frosty wedge]

or are people using custom WA or something?

[dark junco]

Best call I had was: why don’t you move the boss so he doesn’t eat the blob

[chilly brook]

But I use DBM because that’s what everyone else uses in my guild

Lol

Wow

[strong hill]

@dark junco yes why didn’t you 😊

[dark junco]

... why don’t you kill it? I’m allowing cleave atm, what you want more

[uneven mason]

you're asking for personal preference using a generalize plural

[chilly brook]

Like do people not watch or read at all? @dark junco

[strong hill]

Why didn’t you heal the raid while you were at it

[dark junco]

xD

[chilly brook]

Why didn’t you heal yourself while tanking

[dark junco]

I don’t have Inspiring presence anymore

[uneven mason]

I got asked that

legit got asked that

[dark junco]

I can! Got gotn since i’m a dranei

[chilly brook]

RIP inspiring presence

You’ll be forever missed

[dark junco]

^

[chilly brook]

Like for real

I miss that talent

[uneven mason]

remember

[dark junco]

Loved it

[uneven mason]

when it stacked

[dark junco]

Inspiring presence 2016-2018

[chilly brook]

It wasn’t really all that much healing but damn was it so cool and it did make somewhat of a difference

[grim prism]

Just give me deathwish as prot

[chilly brook]

^

[uneven mason]

give me manacles baseline

[chilly brook]

Off tank deathwish

[uneven mason]

its not much

but'd make folks shut up

[chilly brook]

Give me BV and AM baseline

[grim prism]

Let me really show the haters i dont care how squishy i am as long as i can pad meters

[chilly brook]

So I can run Devastator 😎

[uneven mason]

No

bad Griff

[chilly brook]

I don’t like Devastate as an active use ability

[dark junco]

i’d take BV or Devastator baseline

[uneven mason]

than don't use it

[chilly brook]

I mean I have to when nothing else exists to use

[dark junco]

I’ll have to put it back on my bar

[grim prism]

Remember last expac when people said they wanted indom and devastator at the same time because we felt too weak without it

Its like people have been retards about prot war since heroic strike died

[dark junco]

I get 42% haste and i’m having a few holes into the rotation now

[chilly brook]

Gotta fish for that proc when everything is on CD once a minute

[surreal maple]

42daim

Im sitting on 36

[dark junco]

Yeah ITF, gnarled socketed ring

And we’re melee heavy, I love that

[chilly brook]

Yea dude

Screw ranged

[dark junco]

iirc 8 rogues, 3 wars, 2dh, 1 ret

We’ll have to make a few cuts for mythic cause were 35 lol

[frosty wedge]

what are people sitting at for baseline haste atm?

[dark junco]

Gonna split in 2 team

[chilly brook]

Yea we’re in the same boat

30 people that want to DPS

Already cut a few out

Like that huntard who took 10 seconds after being rooted with the ball to ask if he was stunned when he couldn’t move anymore

[dark junco]

xD

[surreal maple]

Oh ye btw , one question the first row talent (can't remember the name) it's said to give us 15% haste max yet it appears to give me 18 or more

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile a pull later myself and a shaman took the ball from the platform to the hoop in less than 10 seconds

Into the Fray @surreal maple

[frosty wedge]

it's into the fray

and it's def capped at 15% but it's 15% on top of whatever haste you have

[surreal maple]

Is it something on the way it adds up or am i just really bad at math?

[dark junco]

@frosty wedge Sitting at 21.29% baseline

[chilly brook]

Anyone know how much of a DPS increase Punish would math out to be?

[dark junco]

Without food nor anything and no ITF

[frosty wedge]

nice! I'm sitting at 19.78 and it's starting to feel nice, lol

[chilly brook]

Yea speaking of weird tooltips, the panda racial says 100% extra food buff yea but it’s more than that. The good haste food is like 55 haste and I get 140 when I eat it

[stark sage]

@surreal maple ITF is a multiplicative increase so it will give slightly more than 15%

[dark junco]

punish can stack to how much ?

[chilly brook]

Idk if it even stacks

[dark junco]

theoricly to like 27% if no gcd ?

[flint tiger]

can the dark moon fathoms and blockades deck be used, or are they unique equipped with each other?

[dark junco]

(no clue how to spell theoricaly?)

[chilly brook]

I just know it’s a 20% increase or so to SS damage

[frosty wedge]

you can use both

[surreal maple]

Oh, i see ty

[dark junco]

you can equip one of each

popular atm btw to have one of each

[frosty wedge]

I'm using blockades and a 355 lingering sporepods

[chilly brook]

So I should totally run punish and Devastator next week on fetid 😎

[frosty wedge]

absolutely

[dark junco]

Using a 340 rezan, but i'm wondering if fathom wouldn't be better at this point

[long pelican]

I know there are stat priorities, but are you guys using more specific stat-weights?

[dark junco]

No statrs wait for prot

[chilly brook]

No

[dark junco]

gg spelling

No stats weight for prot*

[chilly brook]

Ilvl>haste>rest

[inland mesa]

When you bonus roll the helm off heroic g'huun instead of the shield :( :( :(

[chilly brook]

I mean loot is loot is loot

At least you got something

[grim prism]

using bonus rolls in Uldir instead of M+

[dark junco]

^

[grim prism]

shiggydiggy

[chilly brook]

So far all I’ve gotten out of heroic is some 280 boe green ring

[dark junco]

Heroic uldir is a good idea tho

ghuun even more

[inland mesa]

370 base shield vs 355 base, hello?

[dark junco]

its mroe specific on what you can get outta it

[grim prism]

Hows that 370 shield working out for you @inland mesa

Kappa

[chilly brook]

I mean you can’t get azerite great from bonus roll in m+ or m+ in general outside of the weekly so you should use the rolls in heroic Uldir this week

[dark junco]

but the azerite outta uldir is crap

[chilly brook]

The other gear isn’t

[inland mesa]

Laser matrix when it stacks haste higher doesn t seem bad

[dark junco]

Giving up on dc is bad

and giving up on bfi is bad too

[chilly brook]

and there is a BFI piece in there

[grim prism]

Lazer matrix is bad

[dark junco]

still using 355 instead of the 370 I got

[grim prism]

It was said in no uncertain terms by Marok

The regular prot traits are better

[dark junco]

Ithink Sal or Sense said that its gonna be good later

[chilly brook]

TBH I’d think archive would be decent

It’s straight strength

[grim prism]

They said MAYBE, if it scales later per-week

Which im not sure it will?

[chilly brook]

I think archive is like 400 extra strength or something like that

But I don’t have it in front of me

[grim prism]

Idk how that will work because frankly i dont want to pug raids and all our BiS shit is on dungeon tables

Aside from the helm off MOTHER

[dark junco]

https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/488536379211644938

[inland mesa]

It's gets reorigination doesn t it, so once it stacks a bit for more haste

[dark junco]

gg no clue how to quote

[frosty wedge]

just wiating for hailstone construct to be the world boss >< lol

[dark junco]

really want the stuff outta the warfront WB

[inland mesa]

But 340 helm to 370 so /shrug

[dark junco]

you giving up on bfi or dc ?

[inland mesa]

Warfront gave me 380 boots too bad that wasn't a shield D:

[dark junco]

if so, it might still be a downgrade

[frosty wedge]

yeah, my buddy (alliance) got the shoulders from WB

yeah chewtoy, I got a 370 shield from warfront, that was handy, lol

AND it's has/mas

[inland mesa]

No the helm replaces a helm with ignore pain trait

DC is on my shoulders atm

[dark junco]

I really want the shoulders

[chilly brook]

At 370 archive should give you 200 extra strength

[dark junco]

bfi, av, iv ? yes freaking please

[chilly brook]

I wonder if that’s worth sacrificing BFI

[dark junco]

we'd have to ping a higher one

[grim prism]

@chilly brook where are you getting this?

[dark junco]

but bfi with diminishing return and not upgrading value throughout the expension might, at one point, start to get bad

[grim prism]

Wowhead says origination array increases your highest secondary stat by a flat amount which scales based off ilvl

Which they got from PTR

[chilly brook]

@grim prism it’s a different trait

[grim prism]

Are you talking about Archive?

Oh derp

[chilly brook]

Yes

[grim prism]

You said it right there

[uneven mason]

200str seems rather lackluster

ya?

[chilly brook]

The real question becomes whether or not the 1:40 ramp up is worth

[uneven mason]

thats a horrifyingly long ramp up too

[chilly brook]

200 strength is an extra piece of gear

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

200str is 70% Of a ilvl 330 trinket

with that ramp up

its rather uh

[nocturne river]

Anyone aware of the capability of prot warriors single running orb on G'huun? I've seen the Arms warrior one, just curious if Prot can do it as well

[uneven mason]

Reinforced plating is almost on par with that and we consider that a dogshit tier trait?

Prot can do it just fine

I mean

we have the same tools

If you're prt on G'huun tho

[chilly brook]

When concordance was more interesting than your azerite options

[uneven mason]

you've got other shit to worry about

[chilly brook]

I was an orb runner on g’huun but only for one and in first phase

[uneven mason]

Yeah, you can do one in P1

[chilly brook]

When there’s only one tankable add

[nocturne river]

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, sorry

[uneven mason]

But yeah you can

but you're not going to want to try and do it during Phase 2 atall

cause the tank swaps come fast and hard

Like after 4 stacks his melee starts reaching butt puckering levels

[nocturne river]

Yeah, I'm aware. Being asked to run it right side during P1, and wasn't able to get to the end. I just have to git gud is all

Thanks

[uneven mason]

you using warlock portals?

[nocturne river]

Yes

[chilly brook]

Any of you guys ever play rift?

Any of you guys ever play rift?

[uneven mason]

when it first came out

[chilly brook]

You ever mess with the warlord spec for warrior?

[uneven mason]

Nope

[nocturne river]

Wasn't that ranged warrior?

[chilly brook]

Nah

[uneven mason]

I played a Necro/Choloro/warlock

before they nerfed the Chrolo debuff

[chilly brook]

It was a tank that was almost like a support tank hybrid

Basically current warrior reminds me of it

It was regarded as “dogshit” but if played well it was insane

It even put up damage debuffs and buffs on the target

[uneven mason]

Yeah I tend to play like, a super OP spec in new MMOs and then ragequit and go back to WoW or EQ when it gets nerfed

Chloromancer healing when combined with Warlock and Necromancer...since you healed from all DoT damage..

[chilly brook]

Well that’s the thing it was actually op

But people thought it was bad

Literally no one could keep aggro against a warlord if they played right

[uneven mason]

like 100% smart healing based totally on the damage I delt

[chilly brook]

I think blizz missed an opportunity with disc by not copying chloro

The chloro stance system is way better than the atonement bs they went with

[uneven mason]

did hte same thing in DAOC...Ranger prior to the nerf on Critical Shot ><

Single shotting clothies from outside of their clip plane

[chilly brook]

Rift made me sad

A good game ruined by the devs

The raiding was awesome

They just ruined the game after vanilla

[uneven mason]

dunno never got into the raiding

that Chloro nerf was pretty swift

[chilly brook]

But hey it is Trion they’re known for p2w now

[uneven mason]

I think I was level cap for a week when it hit

did some OW raid rifts

then they're like "Choloromancers only heal for the damage you deal with Cholomancy spells"

[chilly brook]

I played a cleric for a while and did a straight melee DPS raid healer

[uneven mason]

and into the dumpster with that chracter

[chilly brook]

Weirdest combination of tank, healer and DPS spec but it crushed the aoe healing meters

[uneven mason]

that was something nice with how RIFT played

they even had a cloth tank

[chilly brook]

I got kicked from my guild at the time because one of the officers didn’t like me because I had to take a small break and so I snapped at him because he kept throwing shade at me in raids so he kicked me. Within a week they were begging me to come back because they couldn’t keep everyone alive

[hasty sapphire]

Ghuun heroic was the most fun in a long time, the corruption spell reflect thingy makes it so easy. when is the best moment to use BL? during the laser or after collapse? we used it during the laser

[chilly brook]

That’s honestly the only game where I will concede that the old school talent trees actually had true choice of build

[cursive loom]

[Vanquished Tendril of G'huun] 370ilvl. is it any good?

[chilly brook]

Nope

I got one as well

370 tf from normal

[cursive loom]

😦

Not even for DPS?

[chilly brook]

Nope sims lower than Rezan’s or fathoms for Arms for me

[cursive loom]

arms, i'm taking about prot bb

😄

[chilly brook]

I know

[uneven mason]

its a lot of raw STR right?

[chilly brook]

It’s not good for prot either

[uneven mason]

I mean

[chilly brook]

No

It’s 170 vers

[uneven mason]

oh

🤢

[cursive loom]

164 Vers

[uneven mason]

nevermind

I was gonna say at 370 if it had like 280str on it

use it for keks

but

vers

narp

[chilly brook]

Hold onto it though, it’ll probably get buffed

[uneven mason]

^^

I can't see them leaving one of the end boss drops as dogshit tier

altho

Cataclysm flashbacks

[cursive loom]

Yea.. saving it, hope they buff the proc, so we can atleast use it for a DPS gain

[errant coral]

does spell reflect reduction work against vectis cast?

[uneven mason]

think they nerfed it

[errant coral]

also what about Zek'voz, just coming up to him now

you can spell reflect for mitigation on the lash thing?

[uneven mason]

its shadow damage

yeah you can mitigate with SR

you can't reflect it

the only boss ability you can reflect in Uldir is explosive corruption

[dusk locust]

does explosive corruption apply randomly to tanks or does it follow a pattern

[shut summit]

he casts it on current active tank

in p1/p2

in p3 its random person in raid

[dusk locust]

p1 as well? which tank is the active tank?

[shut summit]

whichever one hits him in the wall

[dusk locust]

gotcha

[uneven mason]

his first to engage

[vocal nimbus]

You can SR every other

[shut summit]

he does 3 casts of explosive -> blood feast -> 4th explosive, should be prioritizing reflecting the 4th so both tanks can clear in blood feast

[uneven mason]

yup

[shut summit]

so you can SR #1 or #2 and have it up fine for the 4th, just dont use it on the 3rd

[dusk locust]

so i want to be the active tank right after the blood feast

and SR

[uneven mason]

before

well I mean

you want to be the tank that has G'huun when the feast is happening

[dusk locust]

well, before he casts the 4th explosive

[uneven mason]

yeah otherwise one of the tanks has to stand out

and not clear stacks

which is bad juju

[tiny umbra]

is disc of systematic regression any good?

[spring ocean]

Is protection warrior good enough to raid with right now?

[kind urchin]

Yes

[lucid kelp]

I mean Im raiding as a prot warrior and doing decent enough

and I suck so

I imagine a good prot warrior will be fine

[vivid sage]

@shut summit so ideally i let my cotank get him first out of the hole

he does 1 and 3

i do 2 and 4

?

[shut summit]

sure

[vivid sage]

we only did normal but we seemed to be ok timing our swap on his cast

and would get up to 7-8 stacks

[spring ocean]

That’s a relief, thanks @lucid kelp

[uneven mason]

@vivid sage You're going to get destroyed if you do 7-8 on heroic heh

You can swap so you endup with every one

its not a bad way of dealing with the debuff

since warriors are good at GTFO and GTFI

[vivid sage]

cycle leap and SR?

[uneven mason]

more or less

[vivid sage]

cotank is a monk tho so he has no issues

[half merlin]

what do you swap on in hc? 4ish?

[uneven mason]

yeah, but leap and charge are more controlled than roll (although no ledges thank goodness)

4

[vivid sage]

yeah you are right

[uneven mason]

4 is a good #.

[vivid sage]

so swapping at 4 is gonna give me every cast?

[half merlin]

i felt 8 stacks could drop you low at some times even during normal, in p3 i think. but then again we kinda have a healer problem

[vivid sage]

i was getting chunked pretty hard by 8 actually. it was kinda dumb because in hindsight there isn't any early taunt swap penalty

since it stacks on him

[cloud bone]

so in those 4 stacks how many times does he cast explosive corruption? or are you making it so that you take the stack and heroic leap out?

[uneven mason]

he casts is relatively every 8 melee swings (15 seconds)

rather its ICD is 15 seconds, he will cast it after his 8th or 9th swing

but the important part is, just make sure he targets you with it

so you can SR or leap

you can leap as soon as the cast starts

[real rover]

Well

[stone kindle]

Which trinket should i wear?

[cloud bone]

so if you're the first to get it then your co tank would get the explosive corruption first?

first to tank g'huun*

[real rover]

Just did 13 wipes at vectis heroic with a tank DK - I consistently mitigated 15% more damage than him

[cloud bone]

if you swap at 4 stacks

[uneven mason]

ugh probably Rez and Howler lol

[solemn sorrel]

hey guys, thoughts on [Servant Splitter] iLvl 355 ?

[uneven mason]

hard choice King

but yeah I'd say Rezan's and Howler will give you best perfomrnace overalll

[vivid sage]

@real rover i'm not an expert but i'm pretty sure you want to be mitigating more that 15% more damage than a dk

[stone kindle]

thx @uneven mason

i will try around 😄

[uneven mason]

I mean blockades isn't bad

its just boring/random

Howler will give you a bit of a on use goodie

and Rezan's is just strong

[vivid sage]

@real rover or more that 15% more mitigated might be the right amount

[uneven mason]

@real rover you have logs?

[real rover]

yeah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rwk1Ta7FVbdmjvGM/

[knotty ermine]

Rezan's is just stronk*

[uneven mason]

@real rover Why so many Devastate casts?

[grim prism]

Rezan's is also random :thonking:

[real rover]

two reasons

1. shitty lags, I played with 10-15 fps usually
2. I simply failed, that was my first raid as a tank in over a quarter

[grim prism]

All three of those are explicitly noted in the pinned guide @stone kindle

[uneven mason]

heh alrighty, take a look at the Icy Veins guide

[grim prism]

Blockades and Howler are considered best

[uneven mason]

its well written

Balsaq of all people

HIS DPS WILL SUFFER

[grim prism]

Not to throw ikar under the bus because he is usually right

[uneven mason]

Stam does nothing for

damage

[grim prism]

But IF ITS IN THE GUIDE

Lol

[uneven mason]

But it does NOTHING FOR DAMAGE

[grim prism]

Do we need more damage?

[uneven mason]

I mean, its really close, Balsaq is right....but at the same time, rezan's and blockades is just well...splitting hairs tbh

We always need more damage

Anywho Rikki, take a look at the guide, you're letting your CDs sit for too long

[real rover]

yeah I noticed that

[uneven mason]

you could have had double the amount of DS and Avatar casts

[real rover]

thanks, will look into it

[grim prism]

Why would you spend 200k on a darkmoon deck and not use it lol

[uneven mason]

200k?

I spent 20k

[grim prism]

Whatever

[uneven mason]

TFW people miss zeros

[grim prism]

buying BoEs

[uneven mason]

looting 360shields

[grim prism]

Yeah, where have you been?

Kappa

[uneven mason]

trying to find a Xmog that matches that glittery pile of garbage

so who thinks we're gonna get buffed tomorrow

[cloud bone]

the pessimist in me thinks they're just going to nerf our damage and be like "prot warrior is fine otherwise"

[half merlin]

what happens if they nerf the DC trait?

[real rover]

@uneven mason may I ask how you analyzed the logs of 13 tries so fast?

[cloud bone]

we riot

[half merlin]

and avatar. do we all leave this discod or

[real rover]

I think I am missing somethin at wlogs

[grim prism]

We just look at a fucking lot of logs here @real rover

When you spend your whole workday looking at prot logs it gets pretty straightforward lol

[real rover]

so I should stop earning money at my workplace - that'S what you are implying? 😄

[ivory barn]

https://gyazo.com/f48218140e86dff82819c96175802a96 warfront came out right... well i got a 340 shield and a 370 pair of gloves... juicy!

[grim prism]

Just get a public sector job @real rover

You dont have to work to get paid, just show up

Actually depending on the job you might not even have to show up, just bill the hours and cash out

[uneven mason]

@real rover You make the same mistakes consistently 😛 Generally I look at buff uptime CD use, spell casts, and just flip through them, when I see Devastate at the top of your casts - guess what that tells me 😄

[real rover]

well, I kind of have the ability to do that as a software developer, but I do have to work sometimes

[uneven mason]

you're not managing your GCD very well, if I see demo shout is only used once every minute of combat, it means you're not using it enough, thus you're rage starving which is why you're not using more GCDs on IP

and why you have holes in your SB uptime

😉

[grim prism]

"Well I did spend eight hours chasing bugs, if you count squishing adds in Underrot"

[real rover]

😄

Yeah, I have to make the CD of demo shout more visible in my ui

[uneven mason]

Like Balsaq said - "This is the six(million)th time we have done this, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it"

[grim prism]

Pretty much. Lol

[ivory barn]

are we socketing haste?

[real rover]

I tend to not see it good enough when it gets hectic in the fight

[grim prism]

@ivory barn sure are

[uneven mason]

after our single str gem more or less

[ivory barn]

that shield came with a socket!

[grim prism]

Do you hear it?

It is the sound of NA Alli shitting bricks

[inland mesa]

Ikar do you have logs up anywhere so I can compare with mine to see how badly I failed

[uneven mason]

No, because I suck

[inland mesa]

D:

[uneven mason]

Understanding the physics behind a long jump doesn't mean I'ma Olympian

[real rover]

being good at pointing out mistakes doesn't mean you don't do them

:<

[uneven mason]

I'ma programmer - math is my butter

[grim prism]

Hey guys

They updated the guide today

[uneven mason]

Like I can look at my logs

[grim prism]

There is a whole subsection on the Uldir trait

[uneven mason]

and write WAs to help me fix my oops

but Chewy

[inland mesa]

Ima need you to physics my fail pls XD

[grim prism]

Yeah and if I had logs all they would be good for is showing you how to maximize DPS and make your raid hate you

[half merlin]

i miss devestator man

[uneven mason]

that's some logs for you to look at

I failed

a lot

[grim prism]

I dont miss devastator, i only miss the gloves

Actuslly

Fuck the gloves, legion sucked

[half merlin]

2nd

[uneven mason]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XACbq2Fgm3wyZMDT

[inland mesa]

I mean we killed 8/8H and on fights with equal up time on boss with a bear I'm usually a solid 1 to 1.5mil less damage taken

[uneven mason]

cause my livelog died

you're fine than!

[grim prism]

Right lol

[inland mesa]

Just the paladin was like I have to heal you so much more than him....and I was like wut

[grim prism]

Having a Heroic Ghuun kill puts you in the 98th percentile of all active raiders

[graceful mason]

I take like 20-25% less DPS than our monk tank but I still die more sooo

[uneven mason]

No it just seems that way

Yeah warriors die more

because healers have fucking ADD

"WHat I was only looking at netflix for like 5 seconds, what do you mean 3 stacks on Zul needs healing?"

Monk is like "Lol 3 stacks, stagerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

[inland mesa]

Yeah I was like what do you mean that pull I'm 1.48 mil less damage o.O

[uneven mason]

Wht he meant was "I'm not used to a tank that I can't take my eyes off of

Like thats the thing, druids have a L O T of padding

warriors take less damage

but much smaller bucket

[half merlin]

question - the "active" tab on dmg taken in the logs, what is that anyways?

apm or wot

[inland mesa]

Yeah just looking for another set of eyes on what I'm doing as I know I'm missing stuff with raid calling and getting used to fights. And I have to do the constant up parts like crushers on zul, start of taloc and g'huun etc. Granted I gave him mother to go through first to call groups and add control

[real rover]

@uneven mason am just now looking deeper into my logs

I consistently notice, that I parse extremly bad in the DPS category

like <25% ilvl compared

if not even lower

do you got some tips on what to look out for?

[half merlin]

more avatar ?

[real rover]

using it 4 times instead of 2 times can't be the difference of 25% parse and 100% parse can it?

[inland mesa]

You made me look at my dps parses and now I cry

[real rover]

lol

[half merlin]

i cry everytiem

[slow falcon]

any horde warriors here able to confirm the warfronts dropping 340+ loot each time you do one?

[inland mesa]

Fatty 28.3 perf avg in heroic

Yes

You get a rando 340 when you finish

[cloud bone]

for the reorigination azerite trait does the buff to secondaries stack even before you get a piece of gear with the trait on it or only after you get the azerite piece?

[slow falcon]

and can you do it over and over?

[inland mesa]

Yup

I was doing it for achieves and expulsum I need 14 more for 370 belt

[plain vapor]

can you tell which tanks are popular on my server? lol

[inland mesa]

And the mog because uldir set is fugly

[topaz ember]

I did a +10 this week as prot

[inland mesa]

Normal was a 67.6 perf avg ok I don't feel as bad

[graceful mason]

I can't finish a 8 on-time to get to a 10 :(

[inland mesa]

I did 11 siege and I think we were only 20 mins over cuz the first boss kept picking the healer and she can't heal and would fall over

[real rover]

question on pulls

since demo shout has priority over all, what's your pulling rotation?
heroic throw, taunt, shieldslam, thunderclap,shield block -> demo shout?

or do you just use demo shout right after taunt even if you have to kite the boss sometime to it's tanking place?

[plain vapor]

avatar pre pull, taunt while charging, demo shout, shieldslam

[real rover]

do you charge in even if you have to kite it for ~20 yards?

[half merlin]

avatar twice yes

[prisma crane]

dat double avatar

[plain vapor]

lol fuk

sorry

ignore the 2nd

[half merlin]

onesimply wont do

[prisma crane]

tclap is what you meant

[plain vapor]

yes i charge in

it builds good rage

depends on boss sometimes

[real rover]

how bout vectis where you kite him in the middle of the room? :>