hmmm maybe I faction change to horde to get a shield from warfronts
#protection
fathom field
sick sentinel
xalzai's trinket any good, guys?
has someone a Bis List for me?
xalzaix's veiled eye i mean
mortal pike
Got G'huun trinket 375, does it atleast do any dmg?
void knoll
Are the stat weights on icy veins accurate? Can't sim for myself so I have no clue
sick sentinel
@mortal pike its shit for nearly every spec including prot
only good for BM hunter i think
mortal pike
yikes
valid trout
I thought mainstat would increase the amount of damage I block per block; is that not correct?
abstract surge
why am i like paper
fierce halo
how many stacks on zul heroic in last phase? 2 right?
unkempt fox
boyz quick tip bloodsport or laser matrix
rancid palm
Im still tanking mythic 5s with a 300 shield and im thinking of buying oswain's for 300k but i know as soon as I buy it. It will drop the next dungeon i do
digital arrow
do a lot of healers complain about how much damage ur taking @rancid palm ? out of curiosity
digital arrow
same
iron birch
will prot ever be supported in raidbots?
undone sun
yes
random cliff
https://i.imgur.com/U9kph3d.png thanks blingtron
hollow flax
what are the best stats for prot
fierce juniper
Check the stats page on the icy-veins guide
formal cargo
Do people not google stuff anymore?
digital arrow
Who care
formal cargo
Tru
fathom field
Need some avoidance on your gear marok
formal cargo
Prioritize bonus armor
fathom field
Who care?
I care
formal cargo
Gem for Stam
fathom field
avoidance and agility
formal cargo
Nah dodge build are bad, 10% main stat should be spirit for combat regen
fathom field
Gotta regen that shit
formal cargo
For M+ wear leather for higher dps stats
fathom field
I hope yall are we enjoying your horde welfare rn while you gank alliance in wm
formal cargo
I did it for HER
errant wing
ouchie
ember arrow
lol
why bother
i jsut did a 9 kings rest
no m+ for me this week
once necrotic is gone its all gucci
mortal carbon
vagrant cape
after three weeks with a 320 shield, I finally got a 345 from a +2 underrot π
I'm so happy. I can finally start using arms loot spec.
ember arrow
@mortal carbon skittish is saem modifier as legion
bfa skittish=legion skittish
aka completely irrelevant
clear sapphire
@ember arrow do you have a good way to handle the gauntlet of the 3 Kings/queen room? I did an 8 and was getting trucked there. Otherwise I liked the dungeun.
4*
clear sapphire
Some of those mobs can't be cc'd it seemed so cried.
ember arrow
LOS the "shoot", the "shadow bolt"
run away from the skellingtons
u must use skysteps
they will outrun u
otherwise
fresh dragon
which afflixes we get next week (EU) ?
undone sun
should be the same as na, so bursting/skittish
fresh dragon
skittish :/
umbral patio
On heroic what you say is the best item level to go into it with as the guilds main tank.?
little star
335-340 is fine
weary notch
does fortified switch to tyrannical next week? Or is it random which one you get?
safe anvil
it's fix. it switches every week
shut summit
should be that if follows same rotation (which it did starting with the top of the list this week)
undone sun
https://mythicpl.us/ can also be pretty handy
weary notch
oh, nice. Thanks
safe anvil
Which one would you prefer in M+ besides Blockades:
lilac onyx
question
safe anvil
@ Marok thx
fierce juniper
Haste
hasty sapphire
quick Nav
fierce juniper
^
sage obsidian
so .... anyone raiding as prot?
fierce juniper
no one at all
sage obsidian
so ... i am ..... and zul can fuck off
fierce juniper
Yeah Zul is rough
if you have paladins you can drop your stacks with BoP
it drops the puddle too
so you gotta make sure you're in a good spot
sage obsidian
..........oh
thank you ... like a lot
i mean we killed it but .... BoP would make is so much easier
restive mauve
so uh
does ignore pain scale with anything besides my own mitigation and stuff
like can the total absorb amount increase?
fierce halo
Wasn't skittish removed as an affix?
undone sun
no
static horizon
Quick question, is Stand as one better than Reinforced Plating?
hasty sapphire
so, whats to know when tanking Ghuun Heroic as prot? something special?
undone sun
Spell Reflect the corruption, can reflect every other
shut summit
try to line it up so that you reflect the one that comes around blood feast, makes it easy for both tanks to stand in circle
hasty sapphire
will do, thanks
summer sequoia
do you guys use haste food and STR flask?
sick sentinel
I do
I am pushing tommorow, I have done only +6, any tips for necrotic and pushing in general?
ember arrow
@junior ivy why do you even bother lol
robust urchin
You only need a 10 this week for max ilvl reward
junior ivy
see, progress
torn gulch
vocal nimbus
daring marlin
Wish I had a +10 to do lol
ember arrow
the hardest part is getting it
daring marlin
pretty much
cloud bone
when I did a +10 earlier this week we only got 355 loot out of the final chest
dark junco
Its gonna be 380 outta the weekly, so thatβll be cool
Weβre doing a 10 Siege later today
Gonna be a pita lol
undone sun
determination
raven kernel
why are you doing so many 10/11/12 keys bruh
junior ivy
i did a +9 and two +11s lol
edgy solstice
241
jade socket
@junior ivy we need a stream
viral arch
@raven kernel it's pretty good practice
balmy narwhal
omg
I must have done mythic pluses all week
and still no shield
yet all the shammies i run with get them lol
or pallies
rip me
junior ivy
undone sun
26 deaths in 20 minutes
gleaming blaze
What are the Top 5 trinkets for Prot Warriors? Go.
royal marten
Is the Archive of the titans trait worthwhile over 2 brace for impacts?
junior ivy
we are wiping on harlan sweete
dark junco
Its rough seriously, no need to be mean. He said heβs carrying friend too.
junior ivy
we are doin trash after
dark junco
We did a 7 on time, like 12 sec before it depleted, and did harlan in the corner without pulling the trash
junior ivy
levkos always mean to me
dark junco
^
junior ivy
lol
ember arrow
realistic
dark junco
Mean
ember arrow
=realisitc
sudden tapir
Lol
final mist
It's week 1. Some people might not know routes or anything yet.
There's not a lot of information out there for them yet. Give it time.
junior ivy
wait and see, we're gonna finish this :d
sudden tapir
Go catfriend*
sudden tapir
iPhone autocorrect lol
π
Apparently catfriend isnβt a word! What does autocorrect know?!
ember arrow
old night
finished a +10 Underrot. Got a 355 Vial. Replace this or a DMD with it?
or just stick with the 370 arathi trinket
broken kite
Good on ya @junior ivy :D
junior ivy
thanks!
snow hinge
junior ivy
lapis plaza
how does everyone do prot war rage gen?
cus i can't generate any god damn fucking rage
like once SS and TC r on CD im rage starved as fuck
undone sun
π π
small plume
guys one quick question why flask and potion for strengh and not stamina?
old night
hell yeah!
undone sun
Strength is more beneficial than stam is
unless you're getting one shot through mitigations
shrewd knoll
Anyone who has done Vectis around?
old night
hey @undone sun what do you think. Should I run DMD with the 355 vial and replace the 370? Just got the 355 from a 10 underrot
or keep the 370
small plume
Im tanking the last ones in uldir and Im suffering right now, to survive
undone sun
no
lapis plaza
and i just can't generate enough rage
once DS is on CD
and my SS and TC r on CD
my rage gen is god awful
shrewd knoll
if so how does your grp usually deal with the adds that spawn? does a tank need to taunt those adds or should the dps be burning them
lapis plaza
like a +4 just now I was struggling to keep my mitigation up
stark sage
are you spending rage on revenge
lapis plaza
no
was literally just doing shield block when duration is about be u[
and refreeshing ignore pain under 5seconds or if it was about to drop off
and yet i was still sturggling for rage
stark sage
okay just use ip when shield deplete
lapis plaza
don't use IP during shield?
stark sage
when the ip deletes
you should use it during block
or when ip is at one third capacity
sick sentinel
I used Booming today on mytrax on norm today
stark sage
you are probably using ip wastefully
sick sentinel
And I was struggling
undone sun
@old night blockades is really only used for the static strength which vial doesn't give, vial isn't necessarily better for long fights but is probably alright for bursts that line up Β―_(γ)_/Β―
sick sentinel
And then switched back to my good old devastator and could play properly
Might also be because I am spoiled with my devastator and I can't play without it
So many gcds
raven kernel
Doing a 2nd heroic raid tonight, prob gonna try HR on fetid
floral forum
going to be tanking raid tonight. what food are you guys using?
steel mauve
haste unless the 100 str feasts were placed
raven kernel
I've been a lazyboi and eating the feasts for 150stam
old night
Haste or feast my dude
lapis plaza
Do you not ALWAYS have to have IP up with SB? Was reading the guides and I feel like I was using IP too often with SB and that may be why i was struggling for rage so badly
main vault
No
copper tendon
are any of the tank trinkets from the raid good ?
main vault
Lulz tank trinkets
copper tendon
take thats i should keep my dps trinkets xD
steel mauve
its another unimpressive tier of tank trinkets
copper tendon
what trinkets can people recommend i an running double darkmoon right now
main vault
The best tank trinket is worse than Phantasmal Echo
and not even in EN, Echo right now is stronger
Uldir "tank trinket"
gentle rain
trash?
gentle rain
lmao
copper tendon
xD
undone sun
Up until a couple weeks ago, titanguard, RWC, Apoc Drive and a couple others were all worth using because of how they scaled
amber siren
π π π π π π π
main vault
π€
digital arrow
π€
digital arrow
hi how're u doin
ebon torrent
protection warriors are for the BOIS
torpid tree
I have a question
digital arrow
hell yeah this guy gets it
torpid tree
What are the stats of the prote?
raven kernel
Much block
torpid tree
Haste
Versatility
Armor
Mastery
Critical Strike
Strength
is okay?
raven kernel
Haste mastery
torpid tree
thax
amber siren
ilvl at the top as well but yeah
umbral tiger
Anyone have a good rage WA, looking for just a simple rage tracker, in a circle of some kind, kinda like Diablos HP
sick sentinel
umbral tiger
But then i have to talk to more than prot warriors D=,. Nah thx, didnt see that.
undone sun
haven't seen anything like that for rage and that channel would likely offer more help
tbh i can't even find the ones for mana/health
sick sentinel
I do not mean to be an ass about it or anything but that's where you should go anyway imo, they will help you a lot more than us here
Like, the only WA I use is to track my block so I do not stack my sb with my last stand (bolster) accidentally
undone sun
nice
round vortex
Iβm starting Heroic tonight π we full cleared normal on our first night so hoping for 6/8 tonight
jagged bay
gz on that belt
junior ivy
thanks
its hard to be excited all i wanna do is get up and walk around after that +11 freehold
and then coming sttraight to raid π¦
opaque harness
hey does the Iron Fortress trait stack?
steel mauve
yes
opaque harness
cool ty
long pelican
Any go-to shield enhancement I should be using?
steel mauve
hm?
steel mauve
there arent any shield enchants
long pelican
Oh I see they're only for lower level items
empty locust
Trying to work out what to use and looking for some opinions, 355 Jes Howler VS a 340 Rezzans eye. The rezzans procs really well, finding it hard to want to take it off but I just don't know about the howler in comparison.
inland silo
howler is bis trinket
steel mauve
howler can give more stats per use and its on use for either burst moments or when you need it, and since our stats are really close together howler usually wins out
empty locust
The proc uptime on the Rez trink is pretty high, often 25-30% on a few fights i have looked at. Leaning toward the howler but its a tricky call
vagrant cape
oh my god. a better shield helps immensely. My block mitigation went from 35.22% with a 325 shield to 39.52% with a 345.
I thought that was a lot, but it's really only a 6.6% damage reduction
which, I guess, is significant
amber siren
it's not a tough call, howler is better
vagrant cape
that's like a pally's consecration
inland silo
howler is better at equal ilvl. 15 ilvls higher it shouldnt be too tricky
digital arrow
we've made it in the shade
vagrant cape
as soon as I got a good shield I could actually fucking chainpull
digital arrow
im about to tank my first attempt at taloc normal, how slow did u guys kite while tanking the bloods?
vagrant cape
and not feel like my ass was on fire 24/7
digital arrow
LMAO
keen eagle
sick sentinel
you can watch sense right now he is streaming and did +11s and +10s
prot tank did +16 earlier this week.
raven kernel
We were already excellent for fetid and after they removed thrash scaling with raid size we are even better
rigid sun
jade socket
Depends on the situation and what you are looking at
maiden spoke
how much do you guys block per auto thinking of leveling my warr looks fun
amber siren
depends on shield and block rating, you won't get an average
raven kernel
Brew master is the #1 for majority of things
You block a %
It's not a flat value anymore
sick tree
The beta ignore pain in BFA that used your rage as a health bar
was that ever released on a playable build
in beta
I was wondering how that even worked / is it better than what IP is right now
amber siren
π€
undone sun
It absorbed more than it does currently
junior ivy
HOW DO PEOPLE TNAK HEROIC FETID DEVEOURER
sick tree
Shield block
Last stand onto a bolster if you are out of blocks/demo shout
You can chain demo shout a long time if you avatar then shout then t clap as fast as you can
Assuming you have that trait
(Which you should)
sick tree
3 tanks should be easy.. are you all just not using active mitigation
For a warrior -That attack can in fact be blocked
amber siren
you really shouldn't be needing to 3 tank devouredr
undone sun
I've seen it been done before they fixed his scaling
Thrash shouldn't scale with upwards of 30 raiders but is still strong
amber siren
Yeah maybe before scaling but definitely not now, 3 tanking is a sign one of your tanks isn't using their defensives appropriately
chilly brook
@junior ivy it's ez lol
Literally put prot warrior on OT
And shield block every one
Last Stand any that you don't have block up for
SW the rest
ask for an external if you don't have anything
bleak breach
Devourer is easy takes 2-3mins
tiny rapids
A friend of mine is asking something that I can't answer, for prot war as well. Between two traits, one is the worst for us: Reinforced Plating and the other is Laser Matrix
I'm half mind to say reinforced plating even if its not that good
bleak breach
Literally, shield block will save you and ip if required
modern brook
Prot as ot to take the cleave hit?
tiny rapids
MT
bleak breach
Both
Doesnβt really matter either way, the big hit is fairly easy to take. Thatβs more on the healers than anything, just to get you topped back up before the next one. If you have a mistweave in the group you have nothing to worry about.
amber siren
@tiny rapids They do different things? One's defensive the other is DPS. Just pick the one he needs?
tiny rapids
The other is dps + heal
bleak breach
Reinforced playing is good
undone sun
Laser gives the Titan buff which is going to get better as the weeks go on
bleak breach
They both give the buff?
undone sun
Archive and laser, yes
bleak breach
Is it worth taking more than one? Or does the buff not stack?
undone sun
Not too sure
bleak breach
Iβve got 1, havenβt got anymore raid azerite pieces yet
If heβs dps use the laser
tiny rapids
he's prot, as I said.
bleak breach
Reinforced plating then
Itβs just a slightly more powerful weapon enchant, once he outgears content start taking damage traits if he wants to try to pump logs for now he needs all the mitigation he can as some of these bosses hit hard.
Like gβhuun if other tanks taunt is on cd or something happens you want everything you can get available because itβs gonna hurt or kill you.
lucid kelp
stupid warrior question
amber siren
doesn't mean anything out of context
lucid kelp
does rallying cry stack with other warrior rallying cries?
steel mauve
no
lucid kelp
ok cool
lapis plaza
rephrase, i dropped to 60%-70% range evey now and then
bleak breach
The underrot hurts, plain and simple
lapis plaza
ok
amber siren
still doesn't really help my dude, if you're asking for rotational tips easiest way is to post a log in #449510248579858432
lapis plaza
i mostly didnt use ignore pain that much whenever i had shield block up
bleak breach
Just worry about timer and survival. If youβre not wiping or dying stress less.
undone sun
If you didn't die, it's fine
Didn't really dip low so it's nothing major
bleak breach
^
undone sun
We don't have nearly as much of a buffer as we did in legion
lapis plaza
had some moments where dropped to sub 30%
bleak breach
Nothing to worry about, especially on first few mobs there. They hit hard and have ridiculous debuffs like the ticks.
lapis plaza
ok
In the +3 on packs of about 4+ i would take some serious dmge
that sound about right for fortified 4+ mobs
i don't tank often so i'm just trying figure out if i'm doing ok is all
bleak breach
If you do a whole underrot without dying as the tank youβre doing well itβs one of the harder if not the hardest.
lapis plaza
oh ok cool
lost mauve
Ok i found Oswains Impassive Guard on the AH for 150k gold
i bought it
but I haven't equipped it
should I resell it at a higher price or keep it
I have a 310 shield now and have been getting no luck in mythics but on the other hand I feel like I could turn a decent profit
amber siren
depends on your server π€·
lost mauve
I have never seen this go below 300k which is why I pounced on it
undone sun
i assume it's 350
normal stratus
I see it as a cutting edge item. Depends on you patience, a mythic 5+ might replace it very soon.
undone sun
i can imagine it'll only go down now since we can get higher ilevel shields from raids and M+
lost mauve
yeah it's 350
amber siren
P much what Thyme said, I don't think you'll get higher than 150k
And it's droppping in price every day
Esp after reset so
lost mauve
ill split the difference
i am going to resell it at 200k and if it doesn't sell i just keep
win win
mystic ferry
no prot warr buffs π¦
lost mauve
was a patch or hotfix announced?
chilly brook
We don't need a buff so far
The only buff that I could see that would be "warranted" would be an increase to absorb amount on IP
not the percentage but the absorb cap
round vortex
^ and maybe the % amount as well. To about 60-70%
Along with putting it on the same shortened GCD as shield block.
If the cap was raised and not the % Iβd be happy wth that.
lost mauve
nice
round vortex
I think SB has a very small GCD if Iβm not mistaken.
amber siren
no
pure swift
sb if off gcd
round vortex
Oh cool. It definitely did at some point. Maybe BETA. I thought they made it small enough not to effect rotation but also there so you couldnβt push 2 buttons together
But off GCD makes sense. Lol
undone sun
nope
steel mauve
its always been off gcd
round vortex
Itβs a moot point right now anyway - all that matters is live. Im not going to bother digging through notes to prove something that doesnβt matter. I wasnβt arguing that it is, I was saying I thought it might have been and accepted that it wasnβt lol
amber siren
wat
round vortex
Lol nothing it doesnβt matter
amber siren
ok
chilly brook
@round vortex we don't need any % boost
Literally took less damage than a blood DK when main tanking Fetid
And then we swapped and I took thrashes on a new pull
digital arrow
150 for oswain is a steal
chilly brook
Still look way less damage
digital arrow
good shit
chilly brook
We're literally gods amongst men if you mitigate properly
I literally took a 29k Thrash at some point in heroic
29k
Do you understand how crazy that is?
Literally didn't even have to ask anyone for an external
digital arrow
π€
junior ivy
its 12:30am and i havent eaten anything uyet today., becuase of freehold +11
im so mad it took 4 hours
digital arrow
what do u mean mitigate properly? just make sure SB is up for every thrash?
did u demo on top of that or?
round vortex
@chilly brook read what I put after lol that I agreed that bigger number would be better.
raven kernel
Yeah most people don't recognise our mitigation
No self heal = bad tank smh
On heroic ghuun I hold the blood feast add full time and still rotate ghuun between my brew and me
So I have a fully buffed blood feast add AND ghuun wailing on me
viral pollen
Is archive of the titans a good Azerite trait for prot?
raven kernel
Yes you want 1 at least
undone sun
depends on what it's competing with
raven kernel
Whilst raiding
viral pollen
does DC come on shoulders or Chest anywhere?
sudden tapir
Storm bolt is such an mvp in +10 mythics
raven kernel
I just said no
digital arrow
@chilly brook did u stagger your shield blocks so they'd be active for every thrash? or did u just spam it the instant it came off cd regardless?
digital arrow
i see
raven kernel
He only hits you with thrash
digital arrow
ohhhh
raven kernel
Watch his buff and time it
digital arrow
i thought it was every 3rd melee hit or w/e
raven kernel
Every 4th
digital arrow
ok
raven kernel
I really wanna try out HR on fetid tho
undone sun
every 4th and only targets the closest target to the main tank
raven kernel
Could take 2 thrashes with 1 sb
digital arrow
ohhhh thats good news
undone sun
averages every 6-8 seconds but is often delayed by the stomp, charge and consume
raven kernel
Yeah thyme
viral pollen
I meant would HR be worth over AM for bolster uptime
undone sun
and yeah, bolster is default choice
viral pollen
is what i was thinking
raven kernel
But you should be able to cover 2 thrashes with hr sometimes
Just saving that 2nd charge occasionally is pretty good
steel mauve
unless thrash is delayed by an ability
or you get real lucky with procs to extend it past with more than one SS for a delayed thrash
steel mauve
if it avgs 6-8 seconds, and 1 second extension is 7 seconds, thats a possible fall off, and even more of a gap if its delayed
raven kernel
There were definitely times where my sb was about to end and he was almost gonna thrash again
And I was praying he'd thrash ASAP
But it'd be a little later and I'm like fuck burn another sb
muted ruin
Legit thinking about maining, protection warrior. Personally cause of sword and board. What troubles are they really faced with this xpac?
vagrant cape
Player perception
muted ruin
Fair enough.
vagrant cape
They're really great in a lot of situations with lots of melee physical hits(they fucking destroy most of siege of boralus, especially if you skip the first pack of fire bombers)
valid pecan
Method arenβt using one for the world first race so people think they canβt tank normal
muted ruin
Don't really care for what Method use because I'm not a top end tier player. I can appericate a ranking system. I think it's taken way too far.
vagrant cape
And they do So. Much. Damage.
muted ruin
Was just generally asking the discord for what they notice before I really dig into one.
round vortex
I linked a day 1 Gβhuun kill (which I lead) and a server first Glory of the Wartirn Hero from the second week and couldnβt get invited to a M+3... because I was a warrior lol
valid pecan
I find them a lot of fun, a bit clunky but a lot of fun
muted ruin
Just love SB tbh.
Also @round vortex the fact that happened is fucking stupid. People are so insane about shit.
raven kernel
The masses can't decide anything for themselves
They require people to tell them what's supposedly good and bad
summer sequoia
Are you guys taking a ridiculous amount of damage on Zul P2
vagrant cape
The main struggle points:
-
Disc priests aren't very strong with you. It's a little rough for them from what I've heard.
-
The ticks in underrot. The explosions aren't even that bad, but their attacks cause bleeding and unless you have immense amount of cc you're fucked. Save shield wall for them and spam IP.
-
Casters are super annoying. You have to pray that someone interrupts it and it walks over, or else you have to charge it, interrupt, and charge/leap back. If it can't get interrupted, that's rough. Just abuse as many los pulls as you can.
-
Sword and board means they need two pieces of gear instead of 1 like Monks and DKs (and druids I think? Never played one, what do they use?). So it'll be slightly harder to get on their level (which is unfortunate because they're very consistent right now already).
-
I've already seen "no warrior or pally tanks" on m+ group descriptions. They must have been idiots though because paladins are also great and widely known to be great.
-
Really intense pulls can get scary if you mismanaged your CDs, so I guess the main point here is that they have a lot of stuff going on. Misusing a CD (or even wasting rage on a revenge) is bad news bears. It can lead to rage deprivation and it's not a fun time.
-
Lack of dps Sims at the moment. This is more of an annoyance than a drawback. I really love doing large genitals of damage, so I really have a craving for some warrior simcraft.
@muted ruin
muted ruin
I'm at work at the moment so I have limited read and response time but legitimately thanks for taking the time to write that for me. π @vagrant cape
steel mauve
ya those ticks in underrot fucking suck
vagrant cape
No prob!
undone sun
not really a warrior specific issue though, it's a bleed to it bypasses armor which is a lot of tanks main active mitigation now
vagrant cape
True, but it fucking sucks
undone sun
idd
broken kite
Aren't they all avoidable
raven kernel
2: yeah they destroy us, basically can't tank them for more than 2 globals, maybe not even. Good thing I'm a dark iron dwarf
3: Interrupt drag and Los pulls are fundamental skills to me so it's not a prot weakness imo, but to new generation tanks maybe it is
vagrant cape
(it definitely does? I love not knowing acronyms)
raven kernel
The rest is spot on
undone sun
i don't disagree or indeed
broken kite
The ticks I mean
vagrant cape
Also, dark iron dwarves can cleanse those bleed stacks from ticks?
summer sequoia
Only one *
raven kernel
Yes
undone sun
most routes i've seen tend to skip the ticks
broken kite
Yeah
raven kernel
But you gotta racial REAL QUICK
vagrant cape
... And how much are race changes?
digital arrow
Los pulls work half the time with pugs, i'll be like "LOS" and i put a mark on the floor behind a corner and i'll heroic throw then wait behind corner, and i see hp bars go from green to red one by one (lost aggro)
undone sun
$25 i think
digital arrow
always some rando walking with the pack of mobs like "o shi i fucked up"
digital arrow
gnome warrior ftw
undone sun
amber siren
if you change from gnome you're dead 2 me
vagrant cape
Hmmmm... Can you race change to DIDs or do you have to level one or some shit?
vagrant cape
Gnomes are good and all, but like... Bleeds though
raven kernel
Until you level one manually
digital arrow
are u really race changing just because of underrot ticks lol
amber siren
bleeds are temporary, gnomes are forever
undone sun
lol
vagrant cape
And movement speed. And strength
raven kernel
I pvp alot so it's hella worth
undone sun
DiD is actually very strong
vagrant cape
idd
rose marsh
Any tanks need +10 still :3
undone sun
fireblood π
vagrant cape
Is that the name of the active?
undone sun
yeah
raven kernel
Yes
undone sun
vagrant cape
Primo
undone sun
actually very good
digital arrow
whoa
raven kernel
You look amazing when you pop it with reck
vagrant cape
I'm being overly optimistic, but 20 bleed stacks is still one effect, not 20, right?
signal plover
Except for the countless unremovable poisons, diseases, curse, magic and bleed effects
Still love it tho
Plus indoor movement
raven kernel
Laugh at assassination rogues
summer sequoia
That dward racial is insane, wtf
vagrant cape
Is there a list of what it can remove?
signal plover
The beserker bleeds in king rest is a highlight
vagrant cape
Horde had arcane torrent and now we have fireblood. Come at me.
sick sentinel
didn't dorfs have that bleed removal for the longest time
undone sun
yeah
raven kernel
Regular dwarves have the same removal
undone sun
raven kernel
But no str gain
sick sentinel
it's just that bleeds are everywhere now
undone sun
DiD is pretty much a boosted version of it
signal plover
It just doesn't give mainstat
summer sequoia
Dmg reduction is nice
undone sun
as most allied racials are a boosted variation of the "original" race
undone sun
should be str
vagrant cape
I'm on mobile and feeling very lazy
modern junco
hey guys is there any tips on surviving the shadow of zul mob before Dazar in King's rest
summer sequoia
So dumb question, how do we increase the ignore pain amount
undone sun
i mean technically, it has a chance to give a random secondary instead of just AP
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
modern junco
i think thats it
vagrant cape
Spurt
modern junco
and never surrender
summer sequoia
Wouldn't that then make vers a better stat than haste after a certain point
vagrant cape
Never surrender. That's the name of it.
summer sequoia
Given our lack of spell dkg reduction
undone sun
so it doesn't matter
summer sequoia
Dmg*
modern junco
ignore pain is awful AF now regardless
summer sequoia
Well it's all we got heh
modern junco
π¦
undone sun
Haste still offers CDRs and more control over your rotation
vagrant cape
And shorter GCDs
summer sequoia
Suppose
undone sun
lower gcd, shorter cds, higher rage gen even if it is marginal at low haste levels
vagrant cape
If I could trade every secondary stat for haste I'd do it in a heartbeat
summer sequoia
Hmm
raven kernel
We'll have real nice haste once the reorigination array stacks up
vagrant cape
I'm getting on board the "IP is still pretty good" train. It's really fucking powerful honestly.
summer sequoia
It's great in the right situation
modern junco
what situation is that
raven kernel
It's not shit like some people think
modern junco
im intrigued, i spam it on shadow of zul and i get annihilated still
summer sequoia
I just tanked zul for the first time and got trucked on P2
raven kernel
How lol
raven kernel
Your healer asleep?
digital arrow
can it be dispelled?
raven kernel
Well there u go?
raven kernel
Undergeared healer = ip is shit
modern junco
so is that just healer discrep then?
raven kernel
Thonking
digital arrow
last stand the bleed π
raven kernel
It's a partnership
undone sun
lol
modern junco
the difference that cleanse makes in dungeons is immense
summer sequoia
So our dks king now or bwm?
undone sun
raid vs. m+
vague belfry
just finished getting dunked by H ghuun
summer sequoia
M+
undone sun
monks will always be great in raids but fall behind in dungeons because of how much babysitting they still require
dks are still very competitive in keys
summer sequoia
Just hope 8.1 makes warriors a little better
Not even a buff as much as making things work a little better
tiny sphinx
IP is not bad by any stretch, it just has no business on the global, none of the global changes were really warranted since the official reason of "server stability" did fuck all for that
modern junco
^
modern junco
idk, i dont think we needed any changes, we were just started to feel good
starting *
quartz lake
I struggle with the mob pulls in ataldazar. Someone or everyone in my party ends up dying in the 4+ mob pulls. My rotation is shockwave, thunderclap, revenge, then tan target and hit shield slam then revenge, etc. any recommendations besides having group cc? This is only a problem on mythic and +
steel mauve
as long as you arent wasting rage on revenge when its needed for IP/SB, i would suggest cc'ing some if people are dieing
round vortex
@muted ruin cheers bro π sorry went afk lol
In AD always CC the Auger and if 2 juggernauts CC one of those as well.
quartz lake
Thanks iron. What does IP/SB stand for
steel mauve
ignore pain and shield block
steel mauve
juggernaughts hurt a lot, and the augur can free cast which nukes your team, and its rando cast on everyt one else basically
especially if that other dude gets his bubble off
quartz lake
Kk thanks so much
twin hazel
quartz lake
Kk
olive scaffold
whatchu guys think is better rezzans gleaming eye or prism of dark intensity
summer sequoia
Rezan better than jes howler?
fierce juniper
no
merry cave
Kings rest bandage trinket!!!
undone sun
yikes
tiny sphinx
i always tell my pugs - "laces out, casters first, don't be a dan marino"
unless it's 10+ with infested, then that throws a wrench into that formula
and for god's sake interrupt!
still sigil
god i need help figuring out what rings to use x.x
tiny sphinx
ilvl > haste > everything else, that is all
sterile ravine
I'm relatively new to Warrior tanking (last played in WotLK and it was quite different back then). I've been working on my rotation to smooth out rage generation, trying to let shield slam or TC come off of CD. I find that I'm having a lot of trouble keeping up my Ignore Pain 100% of the time given the GCD. In fact my logs consistently show an abysmal 25% uptime for most of my dungeon and raid runs. Any advice?
tiny sphinx
IP won't ever be up 100% of the time
sterile ravine
Whats a good uptime to aim for?
still sigil
i can throw new chants on rings after i choose
undone sun
that depends more on tanking uptime so it's highly dependent on the boss/encounter
sterile ravine
General goal should be have both IP and SB up for every big hit tho right?
It just feels clunky haha I'll have to work fitting it between the rage generation ability GCDs
novel steeple
it is a bit clunky
amber siren
Sb doesn't have gcd so as long as you have 80 rage you're fine
raven kernel
Sb is the priority
Ip is additional buffer
It's not mandatory
If the dmg is manageable and you might not have enough rage for next sb if you ip now
Then don't ip
graceful mason
I don't understand zul phase 2.. that mf'er hits so hard
merry cave
'sb is priority IP is additional' isn't necessarily true in all cases
Def times I'd mash the shit out of ip in lieu of sb
merry cave
What's clmmon sense for us might not be for someone new asking about the super basics though
raven kernel
Sure but I'm starting him on the first step
long pelican
For the caster mobs, what am I supposed to do? I interrupt or stun they still stand still and soak sanguine and it rages me
merry cave
Hide behind something
raven kernel
Or Los them
long pelican
LOS is the goto then?
merry cave
Yup
raven kernel
Usually yes
merry cave
Unless you got a dk or monk
raven kernel
Or any dps helping to Interrupt
long pelican
There are a bunch of times I interrupt and theyβre just like lolk channel spell while healing back to full
merry cave
Yeah it happens
long pelican
Is it set in stone that interrupts force caster movement or is it just most of the time
sterile ravine
Thanks for the tips. Ill be working on it. SB for physical, IP for magic. Use both for a big hit if you have ~80rage to spend. Should I aim to maintain around 80rage?
long pelican
Is there an addon like Prot-rainingWheels where if you take a nuke when you had a cooldown and rage to cast it it calls you out
Hahah
sterile ravine
Id definitely go for it if it existed π
undone sun
360 and 355 haste/mast
merry cave
^^
still sigil
is the 355 vers/mastery worse off?
undone sun
haste is just better
fathom marten
instead of blizzard giving me a shield to replace my 325 one. I get a stupid fuckin donkey mount from a rare in arathi π
amber siren
sell it, buy a shield ???
fathom marten
Bop
fathom marten
modern junco
its ok I had a 310 shield for a while then killed normal ghuun dropped me a 360 one then i started getting like one eevry dungeon
fathom marten
Lmfao
That only slightly makes me feel better. Having shields drop after the fact is like a big middle finger.
modern junco
its a real kick in the dick forr sure
tiny sphinx
my kingdom for old devastator
fathom marten
It's not just a reg donkey too
It's a "Lil'Donkey
My big ass heavy plated orc war looks weird riding it around
sick sentinel
smh
sick sentinel
@fathom marten my best shield until 3 days ago was 330 from WQ, I was spamming motherlode (did it like 60times - hc + mythics, when I hear about this dung I get shivers now) and 3 dys ago tol Dagor dropped shield from +5 \o/ weapons started dropping like mad after this
I think u can just spam +2 to +4 M+ with shield drops
chilly brook
Anyone know if Archive of the Titans is any good?
foggy matrix
thank god for welfare purps from warfront, have a 340 shield and literally made the character last week
elder saddle
take the 2 355
prisma night
Does no one know if archive of the titans is good or not? Ive been wondering the same thing myself.
I could take archive or BFI but idk if archive is worth it
chilly brook
Thatβs the thing Archive actually sounds like a decent trait but I just donβt know if that strength is worth
undone sun
it mostly depends on what it's competing with, as the weeks go on Reorigination Array gets stronger
chilly brook
For the most part itβd be competing with BFI
It makes me a sad panda that I know that eventually my DC trait will have to be given up
Unless I get lucky this week with the chest gear
merry cave
It's probably not good now, but if you successfully stack it for a few weeks it looks a lot better
prisma night
It sucks i cant ever parse very well for ghuun or taloc. Guild has be soloing the orb on ghuun and body blocking goopers on taloc
How does it stack? Just on each reset gets a little stronger?
merry cave
I think there's a pinned post in general that explains it
Unless I'm getting them confused which may be the case
prisma night
Yeah it feels good to do solo ghuun orb
I usually start caring about parses when i get bored of the content
undone sun
supposedly every week it gets stronger along with each boss kill in uldir
and is retroactive
prisma night
Max 10 stacks which = 750 secondary stat
Then i guess its for us to figure out at what haste value does it become better than certain other traits
raven kernel
750 haste is huge AF
prisma night
10 weeks is a long time to get there though
uneven comet
What instance are you guys aiming to farm the most?
prisma night
Probably better to just take something else until it stacks up a bit then you can reforge to archive if need be at a later point
prisma night
Fair, right now its only 75 stat so pretty meh
prisma night
Yeah
prisma night
As long as you kill 3 bosses in uldir each week it stacks
But you also havee to take into account that it only works in uldir
Only the stacking str works outside the raid i believe
raven kernel
Yes
But I mean uldir is where it matters right now
For me at least
Since I'm going into mythic
prisma night
So if people do a lot of m+ it may not be worth it even as it starts to stack up
Depends on the player
raven kernel
Yup fair
prisma night
Is there a reforge cost cap?
raven kernel
Eventually we'll have a 2nd piece
fathom marten
@sick sentinel that's sadly what I'll have to do at this point. I dont want to go into uldir next weekend with this trash blue shield again.
How are you guys handling vectis btw?
I feel squishy af during that fight
We barely got him down.
My off tank prot pal was having a far better time then me
tiny sphinx
well, it's nice having a self heal
fathom marten
For some reason my advanced combat logging wasnt activated so I dont have my damn logs.
@tiny sphinx The answer to why all other tank classes are better
tiny sphinx
more or less
fathom marten
I was way more optimistic about prot wars until mythic + came out.
Now I'm starting to feel the weakness of us compared to the others.
tiny sphinx
honestly it wouldn't be a big deal to just give us mannoroth's as baseline, our rage gen is derp now anyway without the battlecry set
fathom marten
Honestly just wish our flow was better. Since I've been tanking on my DH and DK...well, they just seem more fluid
I <3 prot war though so I dont want to switch
Maybe after this raid tier...depending on how blizz reacts to many peoples complaints... I'll switch to DH...
tight tree
Vectis hc was complete trash. Hated every second of it. If you get some stacks, you fucked (dot annihilates you, IP doing nothing).
Devourer was good, just block this shit.
fathom marten
I was on normal.... my guild and I are a bunch of slightly above casuals lol. 5/8 clear for normal this week. Raid size of 20
tight tree
it is depressing to use all externals on yourself in heroic (!).
raven kernel
Why would u go from warrior to dh for raids
tight tree
Normal was faceroll yes
prisma night
Hc i imagine will be different
fathom marten
@raven kernel no particular reason tbh. I mean, I kinda like a struggle but I also want more self sustain.
crisp hearth
Guys question we downed zul yesterday
Our strat was to stack debuff until 5
Then let the tank die
And kill tje boss with 2 brez
raven kernel
You realise your self healing won't offset the lack of mitigation right
tiny sphinx
either take IP off global, give me a self heal, or give battlecry back, just one of those would be my christmas wish
crisp hearth
But what is actually the strat?
raven kernel
If your healers cant keep a warrior up in raid, a dh will just fall flat every time
amber siren
none of those are the actual problem
amber siren
warriors are punishing to play, it's easy to fuck up and die. self healing isn't the cause of that
fathom marten
I mean we weren't wiping from me being hit hard. Frankly, the healers didnt really say it was to bad but I can def tell I was getting slapped around.
raven kernel
Get better healers then
prisma night
3 stacks should be healable
raven kernel
Not a tank class issue if u die with 3 stacks
crisp hearth
OK
prisma night
I almost lived through 5 myself
crisp hearth
I took 6
fathom marten
@raven kernel true true.
prisma night
But thats just cuz we were dumb and didnt know how many to swap at
crisp hearth
Before jumped ans die
prisma night
Same lol
crisp hearth
Same here
prisma night
But yeah 3 is pretty low dmg imo
raven kernel
Whenever I died in raid I'd just check death log
Most of the time I just got too little heals
prisma night
Same, death note helps alot for seeing how often you actually get healed
Sometimes its like 1 heal in the 30seconds prior to death
Its redic
crisp hearth
30 sec would mean they're sleeping
prisma night
Yup
crisp hearth
But I guess I died like 60% of the time
Because no Heal for 4 sec
No direct Heal mean
raven kernel
Yah
merry cave
I honestly didn't feel too bad on heroic Vectis, just mashed IP and asked for externals if things got too hairy
raven kernel
Thats on healers
Every tank will be dead or near dead without heals for 4s
In raid
tiny sphinx
pfff men don't ask for externals
prisma night
Yeah no matter how mucb they buff us if they do, we cant fix afk healers
hot locust
How many stacks are you guys swapping on for Vectis? That boss did no damage at all to me...
fathom marten
I did 2 stacks
crisp hearth
Vectis was easy
prisma night
I did 3 each and it still didnt do much
hot locust
That was by far the lowest damage fight in that raid.
merry cave
There's no reason to take more than 2
fathom marten
Well usually getting 2stacks and then switching to add to pull towards boss and melee was hurting the hell out of me
We did great until vectis
Idk what it was
prisma night
The main thing is to get low amounts of lingering infection
So each stack hurts less
fathom marten
Ik we were having some dps mechanic problems.