lol nice
#protection
sinful bay
that's for sure
north dove
Anyone struggle to Tank with a Disc priest healing?
surreal stump
its hard for them to burst you back up if u drop low, i found
but seems most healers that way
north dove
regular mythic my friend struggles
surreal stump
maybe ones doing it wrong? are you struggling to keep stuff up? ie block and so forth? or are they struggling with using disc properly? < i dont heal anymore ever>
north dove
I've been playing Prot on and off since Wrath
so i'd say its on his end
his heals seem lackluster
roughly 7k hps
3.5k-4k DPS
surreal stump
ran 3 5's yesterday with disc priest, kings rest is only zone i got owned in a couple times
that dot and zul can die in a fire
north dove
there's times when accidents happen and shit gets pulled, to the point where no one can heal through
but Disc just seems bad
poor aoe
surreal stump
it may be the play style change like i said i dont heal since wrath lol. so i dont know. i found disc to be solid healing. and when shit goes bad you have bubble pain sup. so im not sure, why theyd struggle
surreal stump
i geared 3 tanks in mythic 0's one with shammy one with paladin one with disc, i playd bear with disc cause was her alt she was swapping too. had 0 issues
id honestly not use ironfur after first week unless it was oopps too much shit or a boss fight cause it semed so easy with bubbles lol
bear is boring as hell tho. i mean wow. altho i have to admit it seemed better to shift outta bear dispell curses and posions than to sit in bear form and eat it.. and of course sooth
robust urchin
The more i play prot i get more and more frustrated with it
daring marlin
every holy paladin I've had has been shit
surreal stump
no crit hurts holy paladin
robust urchin
Holy paladins are fucking crushing it right now
tfw you get a 370 cheat but it has iron plating on it
static pilot
use it, afaik DC is the only trait worth dropping ilevel for
final mist
Deafening Crash.
amber siren
Deafening crash
static pilot
^
robust urchin
Oh right i think i only ever got a helmet with that trait
final mist
It's worth ~40 ilevels, so better hope you get one soon
robust urchin
Im using said helmet
final mist
Only trait we don't drop for any small ilevel gains.
final mist
It's not DC
final mist
It's good, if only for the IP increase. The leech sucks.
Azerite Veins is really good.
midnight citrus
anyone have advice on how to fill out the marok prot warrior analysis sheet?
stat analysis*
robust urchin
Out of curiosity I just checked our raids prot warrior who is the raidleader and he uses 2x bloodsport and callous reprisal
I dunno how to feel about this
autumn cosmos
Prot Warrior was so much fun on zekvoz holy shit
Leap, shout, perfect CD timers
Was as big a blast as blood DK on zul
Snooze on normal but I hope mythic it'll be the same timing wise as heroic is
foggy matrix
how reliant is prot on the healer? I tried running a +2 earlier and just get btfo on everything even though I have decent uptime on demo and even tried completely replacing dev with ignore pain casts
but I just die to everything
robust urchin
What dungeon
foggy matrix
shrine
robust urchin
Hmm
foggy matrix
at least two of the other dps were interrupting along with me so I don't think that was really the problem
the spec just seems so gimped compared to my main
foggy matrix
when will warriors get a tank spec lol
robust urchin
Never
junior ivy
emergency questiomn
when im making a macro
how do i find the pic that is t he avatar icon
if i want it to be the same?!?1
tiny sphinx
#showtooltip
put that in top line
and if 'avatar' is anywhere in the next string, it will use that icon
undone sun
what is the macro
tiny sphinx
if you know the name of the spell you want to use just put that after the #showtooltip and it will override despite what the actual ability you are using may be
weary notch
but the sounds they make...
weary notch
nope
I mean, find one and listen. The male ones are annoying. The female sounds are so high pitched they're truly awful
foggy matrix
so how important is having a decent ilvl shield?
jovial reef
very
undone sun
incredibly
foggy matrix
great game
weary notch
good game. Good job, everyone
jovial reef
"gg i was the shield :)"
foggy matrix
so does this mean I have to farm heroic atal so I can farm mythic so I can do actual current content?
tiny sphinx
i've been tanking mythic+ with a 310 shield for awhile now, so it's possible, but my healer is overgeared so that helps
lavish sierra
Is Warrior overall taking more dmg then other tanks? Many healers complaing.
amber siren
it's easier to take more damage if you're bad
foggy matrix
I'm just using a crafted 300 one, better than a green I guess
but yeah, I got called 'unhealable' today
felt bad
tiny sphinx
if the healers are barely qualifying themselves, yes, you will feel weak as well
frosty wedge
just finished an underrot 7 >< lol
digital arrow
anybody willing to sell me a 340 shield that they're not using?
i think i'm going crazy running ML/tol dagor/atal over and over again
quaint crown
Eh, the shaman I roll with heals me and my blood DK friend. Says it's easier to heal me. Less damage spikes. BUT, I also am 340 and know my class a bit better than the DK. So, I'd say all the healers bitching can be more attributed to people being under geared/ not familiar with their class/ both. Warriors seem just fine to me.
vivid sage
mint kite
Macro Vial of Animated Blood trinket and avatar together, talent into unstoppable force, profit
crude summit
so is people hate with prot warriors in raid based on merit or just he said/ she said
jovial reef
they are worse than other tanks
crude summit
in what way? iyo
inland silo
its not necessarily worse, just a lot harder to play correctly
a bad prot warrior is a lot worse than a bad brewmaster
amber siren
we aren't worse than the other tanks
Harder to play with a higher penalty for mistakes
crude summit
with shield block, IP, SW and LS we have some decent tools
vocal nimbus
The only tanks with magic damage reduction are warrior and dk tho
wise root
Is Crystalline Carapace still a good azerite trait? If so, can someone explain why? Tooltip sounds pretty useless.
wise root
is it really just 82 armor though?
I have 6560 armor. That sounds like a negligible increase
vocal nimbus
Its still the second best trait
undone sun
pretty sure it stacks every time you take a hit
wise root
If it stacks that makes more sense
vocal nimbus
Let me check with gemhide, should work in the same way
Dont know about carapace but gemhide doesnt stack
random jay
night all, cya tomorrow to spam more 5-10s , twitch = awetosis
amber siren
yikes
broken kite
unkempt orchid
I feel like anything above +5 i have to kite 95% of pulls
where as when I run with my guildies dk or bm or dh. they just tank everything like its nothing, only having to kite on big ass pulls.
ember arrow
i did it as dk
thats not true at all
if u pull more than 1 pack at a time on a +8-10
ur gonna die fast
ember arrow
so how exactly did u facetank adds on a dk?
ember arrow
because as soon as freehold trash started meleeing
i got chunked and hasd to kite quickly
unkempt orchid
one of the 10s was freehold for me too, was with bm
the pulls up to the first boss are the hardest imo. everything past that was pretty ez
unkempt orchid
well he did lul. everything except the backhand big bois
they flattened anything they touched
unkempt orchid
we had insane dps, so necrotic wasn't much of an issue. and so much cc
unkempt orchid
big cc is mandatory as we go higher m+ imo
ember arrow
jovial reef
those names xD
unkempt orchid
haha xD
ember arrow
well its a guild group
no way in hell id take anything shaman related to a m+
but hey
unkempt orchid
๐คท shaman is fine imo
ember arrow
shaman is fine if all other classes are unavailable
otherwise others do what they do, but better
unkempt orchid
i had enhance shaman in my waycrest 10. he did ridiculous dps, has one aoe stun. its decent. sure others can do more but ๐คท
unkempt orchid
arms does not have aoe stun
ember arrow
shockwave
amber siren
arms doesn't have shockwave anymore
unkempt orchid
shockwave was removed from arms and fury
sick sentinel
:)
ember arrow
i thought it was a talent
unkempt orchid
arms has literally no utility for m+
amber siren
nah just stormbolt
unkempt orchid
just damage
ember arrow
whoever designed necrotic i wish him to step on a sharp lego brick
sick sentinel
All the shamans i got in m+ were above average
ember arrow
its literally the most unfun affix
unkempt orchid
i dislike sanguine and skittish more
sick sentinel
Skittish will be hell
With the new aggro system
We'll be dumping in revenge ๐ก
unkempt orchid
its hard enough for tanks to keep threat as is. lul
inland silo
sanguines a slight annoyance but nothing that will ever kill you and skittish is pretty irrelevant with a rogue or hunter
ember arrow
@sick sentinel skittish is same as legion skittish
inland silo
i think necrotics the only affix that makes me not want to play the game
ember arrow
and since threat is 3 times lwoer now baseline, the difference is minor
nah, threat atm is pty irrelevant
i dont feel the difference
unkempt orchid
i see dps ripping threat on pretty much every pull
ember arrow
i dont
sick sentinel
When an arms bladestorm when you're not avatarclapping everything you feel it
ember arrow
unless its a warrior
sick sentinel
Everything that burst more than 18k aoe i loose some mobs
sick sentinel
Ye
ember arrow
threat is 450%
valid gorge
Like prot warriors with avatar?
sick sentinel
Unless rogue/hunt as he said
valid gorge
:D
ember arrow
so u must do less tahn 3.5 times their dps
amber siren
cleaving 30k when the tank can easily do 20k with avatar ๐ค
valid gorge
I can every time the arms bladestorms
sick sentinel
That's a lot of time spent
amber siren
I mean if you're not wasting it, yeah
Avatar doesn't need setup if you're pre-casting
inland silo
i just go Avatar -> charge -> tclap -> demo -> buttons
sick sentinel
Yeah but i don't see how ya do it
amber siren
Exactly just how Yasuri explained it 
sick sentinel
Charge is not on gcd ?
amber siren
Charges gcd is .5
inland silo
you always pre avatar or you're just standing there with no aggro on anything
valid gorge
Losing 1.3 seconds of avatar uptime is worth being able to use defensives faster with avattar already up for threat
You are trolling
inland silo
of course any dps that presses anything will take aggro
sick sentinel
I usually did charge/jump - avatar - tclap - ds
open gull
hows m+ going for you guys?
wanton trout
So, I haven't used keybinds before.. how would I set up some real quick and easy ones?
sick sentinel
Use all of you mouse and 123456 Q E R C V if you want more make a shit of all your existing binds
open gull
shieldblock: E. Ignore Pain: Q. Revenge: F. Devastate: Middle Mouse. Shield slam: Thumb mouse
valid gorge
You... Havnt used keybind?
jovial reef
put thunderclap on a binding and run a dungeon like that and add one more ability for each dungeon you do
talking low stuff like normal or hc ofc
open gull
using all kind of combination with alt+ shift +
sick sentinel
You can it's just not optimal
wanton trout
no, never I've never used any keybinds.. I kind of moved the bars around so that they were in easy reach.. Like I had my rotation on 1-0 and I'd click my cooldowns
valid gorge
What i did in sc2: mouseover your skill you want to click and then consciously press the button instead of clicking
You learn fast
sick sentinel
Do you have a lot of buttons on your mouse ?
sick sentinel
I use the thing that roll (do not remember the english name) for a lot of binds
Like charge throw ect
Clicking on it is pvp trinket
Ect ect
Use everything that is easy to handle in priority
open gull
most used skills for attacks and dmg mitigation should be on 1 click only, and near your fingers. Q,E,F,V, and mouse buttons
sick sentinel
Combining binds with alt and shift will come later
I use shift q and shift e for CD's for exemple
valid gorge
Generally, the longer the cooldown, the further away you want it from movement keys
open gull
2 clicks, for like shift+E will be for more CD skills (thunder clash)
sick sentinel
Using heroic leap on that but yeah the more you do the less you use
open gull
exactly. my heroic leap is fx on shift+4
sick sentinel
Fx are too hard for muh small hands
open gull
but my best tip for getting into keybindings, is to bind a few common used + a few 2-3 CD, and then just do some heroic runs
fx= f.examble (ah my english spelling you know)
sick sentinel
Oh np
solemn turret
How do you guys deal with mythic + kings rest?
Even spamming cooldowns with defensive gear and talents i still die on a bunch of the trash before first boss and just after first boss
digital arrow
How about kiting em around?
toxic scroll
sick sentinel
Save all cooldown for the archer mummy
Get your DPS to stop slacking and stun axe barrage or bring storm bolt yourself
Bladestorm guy shouldn't hit you and you can kick or reflect shadowbolt so the Kang + quaan shouldn't be a problem
And the big group is the easiest one since it's all blockable
Hope your healer dispels hidden blade so have room to actually move
Archer + raptor is the hardest pack because there's nothing you can do to reduce damage other than spam all your cooldown since you can't block, cc or reflect anything
Also walk away from the lightning boo why do people still stand in it
cloud bone
so is it all "shoot" that is unblockable or just the one's in King's rest cus I figured I wasn't doing anything with SB
sick sentinel
Most ranged attacks aren't blockable even if they're physical but it's blizzard so sometimes they are for no apparent reason
cloud bone
well that's dumb I should be able to block a bullet with my shield
sick sentinel
But in general if it's ranged you can't block, if it's melee and spammed you can even if it doesn't do physical
Maybe but you also shouldn't be able to block ghost slaps that do shadow damage yet you can
cloud bone
they gotta manifest physically to hit me so It kinda makes sense
sick sentinel
Shield block says it blocks melee so it blocks melee only
Mostly
If you could block ranged auto attacks what's stopping you from blocking spells
coral agate
aloha guys.. quick question.. do the trait 'Resounding Protection stack?
cloud bone
if that's the prydaz trait then yes
sick sentinel
Yes
coral agate
ye.. ok thanks
sick sentinel
I have it in 2 pieces and is really good tbh
zealous ore
You could block bone shards on desolate host, which is ranged
sick sentinel
yeah but if you couldn't you'd be useless on that boss
magic damage boss or unblockable physical boss ๐ค
there's no logic to block
sometimes it doesn't work like it should for balance reasons
ember arrow
sometimes it blocks things, otherwise prot warr would be useless
like on KJ with his meteors
kings slam wasnt blockable for instance
solemn turret
@sick sentinel thanks for the info i have done the same things you write
but end up using cds on the ones that are not the archer
even spamming healthstones and pots etc
i dunno
crude sand
ok does iron fortress stack and should i do that? no I cant seem to get deafening crash armor to drop.
slate basin
So i have been doing myths and what not and people are saying that prot is not the best tank and they people are shunning any idea on how to help with that
slate basin
Some people are saying they would rather have a druid tank or a pally tank and saying that prot is a primary backup or a seccond
sick sentinel
druid on necrotic?
ember arrow
but
slate basin
Idk people are being picky and its making me switch to arms
ember arrow
druids were bad in m+ legion too
ember arrow
weekly is irrelevant
sick sentinel
ezpz
ember arrow
yikes
dreamy gorge
We are running fine with a druid tank ๐ค
errant coral
on icy veins it doesn't mention the archive of titan trait, is it the best trait to go for over brace for impact?
sick sentinel
Ah the joy of m+ pugs. Yesterday some Shaman, who wasn't able to build a proper necro/sanguine grp said he'd get me banned
For dying.
While MM Hunter pulled a 2nd pack each time in Tol Dagor
Would love a Ring of Peace and Frost Mage in any setup now
radiant plaza
here i expected to find helpful info about prot warrior but all i see is complaints
quasi turret
hey guys . do you have any pawn string for prot war? ๐
amber siren
AMR is not a good sim website
You can't sim prot DPS and you can't sim defense
All you need to do is follow the stat priority
open bluff
Pawn needs to die in a fire.
amber siren
It does what it's designed to do
Give a guideline where your next upgrade probably is, but it's not the bible of simming
open bluff
So does a gear sim from raidbots 
What most people don't get is that a simmed Pawn string is literally only good for a single upgrade
blissful imp
Took thrash hits on Fetid Devourer last night. Not one death on the kill. Feelsgoodman
AMR actually seems more accurate for some specs, feral druid for example
forest tiger
Warrior prot needs consumable for stamina or strength?
amber siren
str
fresh dragon
holy shit.. we are completly forgotten by blizzard. 100 patch / hotfix without a balance on war prot class ๐
do u find us so balanced?
blissful imp
In game, yea. In the community hell fucking no
There is a terrible perception of Prot warrior
And that affects the amount and quality of player playing it
Causing us to look worse on statistics
But when played right, they are great tanks and numberwise a well played Warrior looks OP as fuck
final pelican
Ez
quartz canyon
Anyone know if shields can titanforge?
fresh dragon
(and not all of them can be even interrupted)
blissful imp
100% agree with that. Give us silence on heroic throw again Blizz Pls!
Shields are treat like weapons I believe, so only warfirge?
thorny adder
Any of you still using engineering Googles as prot?
thorny adder
i find them very nice, but unsure if they are good enough instead of a good azerite trait
blissful imp
Then maybe I'm wrong, I dunno
quartz canyon
maybe the mage offhand from Mythrax is bugged.
ive NEVER seen a titanforged offhand/shield before.
but this guy had a 375 normal mode offhand.
subtle vapor
is indomitable worth?
frosty wedge
Nope. Read the pins
amber siren
Shields can tf
final pelican
Still ilvl > stats?
amber siren
Weapons can't
fathom field
Indonitable suuuuckkksss
tulip steeple
Temple of sethralis, if the ball falls trough floor then it is over?
fathom field
Some of our talents are crap!
final pelican
No
amber siren
Ravager๐๐๐
jovial reef
IV
fathom field
Im going to take ravager and do the duelers guuld thing and put it on twitch
Gonna chain stun them in the ravager. What now
What now playboy?!?
sick sentinel
Heroic Zul fun.
jagged bay
why so?
sick sentinel
Bloody Cleave + Crawg duty.
jagged bay
ah ๐
knotty current
From what Iโve been reading, str > secondary so is there a stat weight general guideline or should I put on my highest iLvl stuff to have the most strength (sorry if this is alrdy pinned)
mild vigil
Is stamina flask good on Mythrax, since he reduces max hp?
fresh dragon
@knotty current its not str>secondary. its ARMOR > secondary
ring and trinket u can take ones with haste->mast/vers
and ilvl gives more armor on pieces
random cliff
https://i.imgur.com/DZhnzLB.png or 340 emblem of zandalar ๐ค
ember arrow
its in the base ui
coarse ravine
any reason to not use a dagger as prot?
ember arrow
is the main stat strength?
tiny rapids
You're not a rogue > reason #1
coarse ravine
oh yea no strength, that's a good reason I guess
cobalt garden
Use for fast deep wounds applicant? :p
silk mortar
More fist weapons with strength would be nice
tiny rapids
You're not a rogue tanking with dodge, reason #2
You look awesome with an axe, reason # important
fathom field
We need some positive vibes in here.
tiny rapids
But we have
tiny rapids
Look, what other tank scream at the face of their foe?
half merlin
how much are sockets worth? 340 ritual bandage with a socket vs 355 lingering sporepods? essentially 31 strength vs 40 haste
tiny rapids
Worth?
fathom field
id take the 355
tiny rapids
We don't have weight
Take the 355 and haste it
Usually ilvl will surpass anything... Usually
sick sentinel
Do you know how happy I am NA had a weapon WQ Quest? I was doing keys with a normal mode one hander
tiny rapids
High armor and stamina, I would only take lower ilvl if it was 5.
10 you can already get the highest., Even DPS
Does that.
sick sentinel
I think for many haste is such a QoL improvement for us that itโs hard to not equip it. Plus, two years of legion habits are proving hard to break
frosty wedge
sweet, just got a 355 lingering sporepod from a mythic 7 underrot
fathom field
I am jealous
split stratus
Any idea why Marok says to use the strength flask while noxxic guide says that the stamina flask is twice better than the strength one ?
cloud bone
because Marok is right
fathom field
marok>noxxic
random cliff
@cobalt garden DejaCharacterStats addon
split stratus
Alright, thanks guys
fathom field
noxxic doesnt even consider that str adds armor
Because they are c students
Marok is ap student
noxxic has enc shaman ranked aff lock for one tgt dps
sick sentinel
No troll- noxxic is still around?!
thick bear
dry shard
is Ravager advised on necrotic?
rough sky
no
fathom field
^
rough sky
you should never take anything except AM in any circumstance, it's beyond good
even though im depressed right now because prot is so fucking bad
sudden tapir
How does one tank the shadow of zul's shadow barrage..
Do you just grab his aggro, kite out of the range of the cast?
It's insane damage.
sick sentinel
๐ฌ
verbal vector
Hey guys, I was doing some Mythic+ last night and I just super squishy and like I was getting wrecked at every turn. Is there any tips or something I may be missing?
verbal vector
Yea, I use my CD's constantly
rustic cypress
if you have a reliable slow with you, kiting can negate a lot of damage
sudden tapir
Yea, kiting seems to be the answer.. rotate cooldowns, call a healer cooldown
All out? Run.
digital arrow
heroic leap the fuck outta there
sudden tapir
Unless it's some debuff shit, then run from thebeginning
verbal vector
This makes alot of sense unfortunately lol. The trash is always to issue, never the boss
rustic cypress
kiting seems to be key for any tank right now, I do it constantly on my monk
digital arrow
oh ok phew
verbal vector
Thanks guys
rough sky
How does one tank the shadow of zul's shadow barrage..
on a 10 i died about 8 times and kited him to the spawn point
lol
rustic cypress
Pray to any gods you can think of
rough sky
his bolt 2 shots you
rustic cypress
he's like upper kara medivh on 'roids, guy hits like a truck
sweet kettle
Well you cleared the entire dungeon before him might as well kite
spice lotus
does boss-related spec discussion go here
aka bitching and moaning about fetid devourer
sweet kettle
I think spec discussion goes here
digital arrow
does spell reflect help mitigate DoT magic damage?
vocal nimbus
yes
spice lotus
you folk think that prot is in a good spot for hc fetid?
vocal nimbus
yes
spice lotus
better as soak or main?
vocal nimbus
both are similar
sick sentinel
you can block melees or soak so we gucci
vocal nimbus
you will most likely ask for externals if SB or LS is on cooldown
spice lotus
I would worry about active mitigation uptime if I were main tank
weary notch
it's also been nerfed since wednesday, so it may be less of a problem if you've not done it since then
sudden tapir
๐ญ
ember lintel
guys, its ignore pain worth using, with that gcd?
spice lotus
Itโs a struggle, just got my hands on a 350 socket last night ๐
digital arrow
im at the point that im just watching the AH to try and buy an upgrade as soon as it pops up
spice lotus
But yeah 310 -> 350 gave about 5% block value
Which is wild
Not to mention the armor and stam gain
digital arrow
wtb more block value ๐ญ
spice lotus
fetid made me consider stam flasks for that encounter though, do yo guys think itโs worth?
daring marlin
blue shield life
balmy sable
Hey team in Shrine of the Storm does anyone know whether you have to stand next to the tentacles summoned by the Abyssal Cultists on the bridge + why that is?
daring marlin
b o y s
balmy sable
had a lock who seemed to know what he was talking about flaming me for that and internet has no answers
sudden tapir
Neava, it's usually a choice between IP and DPS. If you know you're not taking in a bit hit and your not going to die..
Just hit revenge or something; otherwise.. Ignore pain for any mitigation
mental elbow
it's better booming voice or devastator ?
sudden tapir
Bolster+booming voice.. all day
frosty wedge
There is really only one spec that works right now
digital arrow
@balmy sable dont the tentacles have a spell/attack that targets nearest player? i think fatbosstv guide mentioned it
i might be wrong, i can barely remember
balmy sable
@digital arrow The Fatboss video literally doesn't mention them. Wow head says they have a melee attack with no animation (which makes me feel like I actually shouldn't stand next to them) and a slam that unavoidably hits the whole party
I'll just stand next to them next time I run through the place and see if it feels better; ty for trying to help!
balmy sable
OH so slam only goes off if they have nothing to melee?
That makes a lot of sense ty!@
vocal nimbus
i even think that they dont melee at all
they just slam
i didnt notice damage from them when doing sots
maybe they are just weak
vocal nimbus
most tentacle like mobs autoattacks dont have an animation
balmy sable
Explains why I never thought they swung at all haha
sudden tapir
God damn. Kind of wish I was a blood elf right now, just to deal with those silly minions of zul.
Arcane torrent life, seems great
sudden tapir
There isn't really an equivalent racial on alliance side D:
raven kernel
wat fight is dis
balmy sable
Zul Reborn in Uldir
sick sentinel
What set pieces and traits in them is best for protection warrior? I have searched the world for it, but cant find
just keep finding pre raid guides
raven kernel
1 deafening crash
2 brace for impact (ideally)
its also ok to have iron fortress
less good but still ok is bloodsport
but 1 dc is near compulsory
sick sentinel
Okey, and is there any list for what gear to go for?
shoulder, chest and head
ive found for fory and arms but not any for prot..
raven kernel
go use the wowhead azerite finder
sterile ravine
I got a drop from Uldir last night and my choices of outer traits are between Laser Matrix and Bloodsport. My understanding is that Laser Matrix is predominately a DPS trait, however, it gives access to the Uldir zone ability (?) What should I pick?
raven kernel
id go laseer matrix first for the free haste
its like 75 haste or something right now
if haste is ur highest stat (it should be)
and itll get higher each week
fathom marten
I'm so mad. My combat logs wasn't working because I didn't have advanced logging on
like wtf,, why was it off
raven kernel
its not enabled by default
molten rivet
Random Raid Q: Does soaking plaguebombs on Vectis heroic give you stacks of lingering infection?
shut summit
it doesnt @molten rivet
molten rivet
Thought so. Thanks ๐
tacit smelt
So last night I was tanking H fetid with my druid cotank we were getting chunks through our CDs. did anyone find themselves unable to smooth out damage effectively on that fight
lapis pasture
Yeah I had trouble with it i tried at 344 ilvl and was still getting smacked around pretty good
ashen flower
lads, not a single uldir azerite part has Deafening Clash as a trait.......wtf?
aint that like "Must have" trait?
dark junco
Yeah I have a 355 from uldir but its all trash dammit
Also the change to trash damage really helped out
But I parsed like shit on that fight, since I was paying attention to mitigation mainly and trying to follow the other tank around, which was moving really badly lol
@shut summit whats your though on Azerite veins? Good for raid?
frosty wedge
yeah, cache, or from one of the world bosses
shut summit
ye @dark junco
tacit smelt
@dark junco since you were the off tank is 4th attacks block able or you need hard defensives and fill IP
restive slate
so i got the servant splitter from waycrest with no secondary stats but does the bleed damage and the WQ weapon from this week that has haste and vers. I'm thinking i the haste/vers weapon. No?
potent peak
what are people opinion on battlefield focus trait?
it looks intresthing for small group content
shut summit
@restive slate servant splitter dmg is pretty bad, would use one with stats instead
raven kernel
@tacit smelt of course its blockable
twin bear
So Noxxic gives these stat weights Stamina [12.07] > Strength [9.07] > Haste [7.57] > Mastery [6.07] >= Versatility [5.77] > Crit [3.07] which disagree with the Icy Viens link in the pins yet my guild are saying these are more accurate
dark junco
Yeah I was delaying evrything and making sure I had SB and full IP or Demo or LS or even SW, used BoP for 2 of them
twin bear
Which should I trust
raven kernel
oh bop works for soaking thrash ?
tacit smelt
Neat because I was main tanking the whole raid
raven kernel
seemsgood
dark junco
But I was focusing hard on mitig and delaying all my dps just to make sure to not fuck up on gcd @shut summit once weโre golden and more geared, I wont be that cautious. But they really nerfed the scaling on Trash
raven kernel
@shut summit i got h ghuun earlier, the spell reflect is so good for the stack up part like you said
sour snow
Hey all, does anyone know the TellMeWhen text output I need to show the amount of damage that Ignore Pain has left to block?
I want it to show as a number inside the orange bar:
The text that goes here is what I need:
It's not stacks or value so idk
shut summit
yea is huge to be able to reflect before the stack
shut summit
yes
raven kernel
yea
dark junco
... LOL
shut summit
the ball debuff he puts on tanks guaranteed can be reflected
used to happen in all phases, now is just p1/p2 on tanks
but its really nice to reflect it so you can stack on blood feast easily
raven kernel
im doing the first orb for my raid too, the very first exploding cast i reflect too
its funny seeing the thing flying in and bouncing away
shut summit
yup
dark junco
can you link logs so I can compute?
twin bear
So Noxxic gives these stat weights Stamina [12.07] > Strength [9.07] > Haste [7.57] > Mastery [6.07] >= Versatility [5.77] > Crit [3.07] which disagree with the Icy Viens link in the pins yet my guild are saying these are more accurate, which should I use?
raven kernel
in p2 the exploding corruption is always on active tank and 2 other nontanks
tacit smelt
Don't use noxxic
raven kernel
there will be a point where you want your raid to stack up on blood feast to clear debuffs
there will be an EC cast at that point
fathom field
noxxic is crap
fathom field
When i get drunk i read the prot warrior guide on nixxic for shits and gaggles
twin bear
How good is stamina for prot warrs then?
fathom field
Read the icy veins guide and the pins here yo
raven kernel
sidenote we squeezed into world top 100 with the h ghuun
dark junco
Thanks @raven kernel
raven kernel
world 99 omegalul
tacit smelt
I miss 90% ignore pain ๐ญ
tacit smelt
This
dark junco
Or non gcd pummel to
sour snow
Well if anyone can take time out from agreeing with each other and can answer my question that would be great.
dark junco
Not pummel but ahockwave****
raven kernel
pummel isnt on gcd
dark junco
Yeah i meant shockwave
Like I see them casting, want to aoe stun but nope
GCD
Iโm about to put devastate back on my bars AMA
tacit smelt
@sour snow I suggest you go to the weak aura discord for a custom one
sour snow
TellMeWhen, not Weakaura
fathom marten
I take it Callous Reprisal doesn't stack
dark junco
No clue^
vagrant arrow
guys do you having hard time in m+5 ?
dark junco
Nah
fathom marten
No way it stacks
dark junco
In m+ we own in lower keys
fathom marten
Nah DH seems to be
vagrant arrow
i am struggling in every dungeon +6 +7
dark junco
Whats your ilvl?
fathom field
My shield is from heroic and im doing 4a and 5s
vagrant arrow
349
dark junco
And do you dc?
tacit smelt
Oh I have the adding but not fluent in it so I'd suggest asking in more general wow discord for a wider range of responses
dark junco
Have dc*
final mist
@sour snow Not a lot of people here use TMW - your best bet is to go to the TMW Discord, if there is one.
fathom marten
WOWWWW
astral crystal
how'd you guys handle heroic mythrax btw?
sour snow
Thank you @final mist
fathom field
omg shield
dark junco
Grats!
fathom marten
Still have a damn 325 shield
plain ice
i fucking yelled
dark junco
Yelled when I got my 355, can only imagine how loud was yours lol
fathom field
Ya mine is 325. Havnt had a shield drop in more than 3 weeks
dark junco
Damn
tacit smelt
The war effort is 100% now?
potent peak
gief those shields
fathom field
lol wtf
dark junco
That block
vagrant arrow
ddc?
fathom field
Im glad im alliance and i get access to...o wait thats next week
vagrant arrow
no i have not
vagrant arrow
recieving so much dmg
dark junco
Azerite veins is pretty good too
vagrant arrow
esp magic dmg adds fucking me up
dark junco
Yeah well you also need cc
DH are pretty helpful with aoe stuns, add our ahockwave and its pretty neat
dark junco
Mass dispel is pretty strong, so is DH single target purge
And dh prison is the only one without proximity aggro
Make your group with that into consideration
strong hill
@plain ice I see by your picture you have two of those shields. I will gladly give that warforged one a new home
tacit smelt
What is this shield adoption agency
digital arrow
If there were a shield adoption going on, and it went by priority of most need, I'd be at the very top
๐ญ
Currently scraping up enough gold to buy that 400k 350 shield off the AH
raven kernel
damn is oswains still 400k on your server?
tacit smelt
I wish I could donate a spare shield for you buddy ๐
digital arrow
Yeah but one guy was selling it for 250 last night and I didn't have enough gold
And I missed it
strong hill
@raven kernel I think itโs 350000 on mine. They were dropping like 50k each day then just stopped. Was hoping it would go under 150k this weekend
digital arrow
Ty @tacit smelt hopefully an upgrade drops today from tol dagor. Going to run it nonstop till I get it
tacit smelt
Not sure if you are horde but so collect the Warfront loot
tacit smelt
Also farm arathi rares
jovial reef
yes
junior ivy
is it for suree worth it
fathom field
depends on price
jovial reef
4k enchant "if you are rich" what
strong hill
@junior ivy ya I would enchant it for sure.
junior ivy
im not rich im poor
dark junco
How do you guys deal with the last phase of zekvos?
junior ivy
but im an enchanter
raven kernel
just dps at that point
strong hill
@junior ivy if your raiding , how picky Is your raid lead about enchants ?
dark junco
Do you do something special with the mcโs?
raven kernel
ya grip them into melee and kill them
tacit smelt
Just gotta kill the MC because you can't break them out
jovial reef
if all you have is 1900 gold you should've already leveled a tauren druid to go spam gathering
dark junco
With the 6y fears wat u do?
tacit smelt
Or a long CC like trap or blind or sheep towards the end and focus boss
raven kernel
have the people run out when their buff is ending
i was still mainspec dps when we did zekvoz
i took the first orb
dark junco
Then nuke โem?
dark junco
Or just hard cc?
dark junco
Freaking 100% executes
raven kernel
when boss is like 3-5% you can make the call to ignore the last guy
dark junco
kk
raven kernel
depending on dmg and raid health
dark junco
You tank him in the middle and aoecleave first add? Do you move the boss to the other adds?
prime owl
I'm sure this is covered somewhere in the sticky
but what're enchant suggestions? Thinking armor or haste
*Weapon enchant, if that wasn't clear
rustic cypress
go haste imo
prime owl
kinda made of paper right now, but I hit like a train, so yeah, was gonna amplify that
frosty wedge
fuck yes.
prime owl
and better SB uptime
frosty wedge
raven kernel
i have 2 weaps so i switch as needed
frosty wedge
warfront ๐
prime owl
Sounds like a good idea
I want a dps M+ and raid set, and will also develop a prot M+/raid set
digital arrow
@tacit smelt arathi rares include gear drops? I tried looking it up and all I could find are drops for toys mounts and pets. This is good news ๐
prime owl
Lord of War for M+ and Test of Might for raids (mostly)
torn gulch
I got a 370 head with bad azerite powers and I have the 355 one from champions. My dilema now is do I wear the 370 with bad azerite powers or the 355 with almost bis azerite traits?
dark junco
No
prime owl
I'd hold onto the 355 but probably wear the 370, but I'm not a good progression tank nor am I familiar with prot theory
dark junco
355
prime owl
probably listen to that guy then ^
torn gulch
so my 355 from champions had fortress/ azerite veins/ impassive visage
all unlocked
and the 370 has revenge/ shimmering haven/ rush bubble and only the first 2 are unlocked
dark junco
355 prog
torn gulch
dc is on shoulders
dark junco
And iโd even keep 355 on m+ cause of AV
prime owl
and in general, for M+ I want as many Deafening Crashes as I can get, and for single target/raid tanking I'm assuming I want Brace for Impact?
dark junco
But revenge is good on m+
torn gulch
only one deafening
raven kernel
just 1 dc is enough
frosty wedge
you want 1 DC for both
dark junco
But iโd say AV is still better than revenge
torn gulch
and 2 brace or 1 brace one fortress if you can't do 2 brace for impact
frosty wedge
I'm using IF b/c the 2 I ahve are IF/AV
torn gulch
i really like the self sustain from the head to be honest
dark junco
The 355 still comes ahead with the traits it has imho
torn gulch
azerite veins plus impassive is really good
thought veins is kinda unreliable
i'm gonna test both but i'll most likely play witht he 355
thank you for your opinions
fathom field
Please post your armory so i can see what a sweet shield looks like
torn gulch
yep
digital arrow
that's really fuckin good
fathom field
The revenge at is good for m+?
torn gulch
if you get procs and in aoe situations where you have enough rage for it
digital arrow
anyone know if expeditions drop gear? or possibly shields? i'm still new to that system
torn gulch
no
digital arrow
i see
torn gulch
i got a 340 shield from warfronts
digital arrow
im alliance, still waiting to access the warfront ๐
torn gulch
if you want to try getting one you might want to spam them and kill the rares
then m0 and low m+
or pay at the AH
that's your best bet right now
digital arrow
will do that
except the warfront, i cant do it yet unfortunately
actually, havent checked the meter
going to see if alliance can do it brb
digital arrow
ok
torn gulch
and them you can probably do the warfront in 10 days
torn gulch
kill the rares see if a shield drops
twin hazel
why not both
torn gulch
with shields being so important this xpac i figured that i will buy one to keep me for a while
as there are not a lot of good shields to drop anyway
fathom field
shield is worth 2-4 tokens or 30-60 bucks. Cant make myself do it like i cant buy a new car
twin hazel
not really i did just fine
twin hazel
then maybe its you ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
digital arrow
i spam IP every chance i get
and having to intercept teammates for more rage
to SB more often
torn gulch
you don;t need to spam it
twin hazel
wat
digital arrow
err
digital arrow
i mean to shield block 1st then ip
torn gulch
ignore pain now because it is on GCD you use it for certain things
twin hazel
when avatar is up cast IP as needed between TC's
torn gulch
but you do not spam it
thin mortar
how to deal with necrotic on sand queen +11?
junior ivy
nm found it
wheat bronze
Don't do tol dagor
twin hazel
ummm dont touch the little adds and use a frost mage?
torn gulch
kite have your party members help get away from the adds
twin hazel
de rank to a 10 you overachiever
torn gulch
for necrotic in general you need to kite
twin hazel
and then spam 5's
wheat bronze
It makes sense to do an 11 so you get a 10 next week
thin mortar
^
twin hazel
good point
surreal maple
When one of your allies gets targeted and he moves out of the group move on the opposite direction (this is assumin your group killed all the adds)
twin hazel
could also get a boomkin for treants
blissful imp
Any of you guys use Archives of the Titans trait yet? How quickly does Machine Learning stack? 200 strength after 100 seconds of combat.... ๐ค
mortal pike
Idk if someone already wrote it but it seems you can reflect Explosive Corruption on G'huun
or stop it applying to you atleast
blissful imp
It's just the strength and the stacking 1% damage/healing buff, right? The enables origination array in uldir is misleading and doesn't give you a skill, right? Can't find anything on it
hot locust
@blissful imp the array just gives you 75 of your highest secondary stat. It increases by 75 every week until 750 though.
blissful imp
Is that in addition to the 1% damage/healing or does it replace that now? I got the helm, trying to decide if I wanna go in next week with the Titans or brace trait
hot locust
I'd go with brace for a week or two still.
After that it's probably worth swapping though.
blissful imp
Right on
hot locust
Because you owned arathi so we had to work to get the warfront
now you get to work toward it
junior ivy
what do i do
undone sun
Content
sick sentinel
is archive of the titans worth it?
hot locust
depends on the trait it's competing with
sick sentinel
BfI
viral pollen
Is there anything i can doa bout the miniboss in KR high keys?
sick sentinel
I play with DC and 2xBfi
hot locust
BFI for a couple weeks, archive will be better when the buff gets stronger.
viral pollen
it just tears through me
hot locust
but only in Uldir
robust bronze
Should i switch out 340 deafening crash helm with 355 iron fortress? i only have deafening crash in helm
hot locust
nope
torn gulch
to change a deafening crash piece you need at least 25 ilvl diference
and even then you need one deafening crash on your other pieces
it is that good
robust bronze
but only 1 is nessecary right
robust bronze
sadly i dont :/
torn gulch
it's a shame that most deafening crash items are shoulders
there is only one head which is the one in freehold
pseudo oar
so stacking deafending crash is bad ?
torn gulch
yep
shut summit
only the damage portion of it stacks
torn gulch
increasing tc damage is not worth it
hot locust
It's pretty good for damage but that's it.
torn gulch
when you can use block azerite traits
pseudo oar
ok thank you
torn gulch
for the first row it is optimal to go one deafening crash and two brace for impact or if you don't have brace for impact one brace and one fortress
pseudo oar
I got a ton of gear in my bank all with the same ilvl. I'm sure i can build something ๐
good that I did not scrap anything
torn gulch
azerite gear you mean
pseudo oar
yeah
torn gulch
if you're horde go do the warfronts
you get 340 gear and a 370 for winning the first time
pseudo oar
na I'm ally but was lucky with the worldboss
robust bronze
i got a 370 shield from the warfront and i main fury, forgot to switch loot spec :/
robust bronze
hast mast stats too
next goblet
cursive loom
Any of you guys getting insanly low FPS in Uldir?
hot locust
I have 4 different 355 shields in my bags :^)
tiny sundial
Idd
paper patio
Which ring would you choose?
https://i.imgur.com/vQzT2LU.png
vocal nimbus
355 340
tiny sundial
Idd
paper patio
Thought so, thank you vm
elder isle
is archive of the titans any good for prots ?