protection

[twin hazel]

which hardly happens

[mild maple]

So the spec doesn't have a lot of downtime at 120? That's nice to hear

[twin hazel]

were like crackheads looking for the next GCD

[glass rune]

Might as well make devastator baseline and find a cool talent to replace it 🤣

[sudden gazelle]

Does anyone have a weakaura for tracking demoralizing shout?

uptime and popup when its ready is what im looking for

Khakanz WA was too much for me, now im going simpler

[still minnow]

anyone know why icy veins suggests strength flask even though its worse than all of our secondary stats according to their weights?

[amber siren]

you can ask in #ui-addons-manager

@still minnow there aren't secondary stat raid pots

[still minnow]

stam is an option though which i imagine is higher than str if str is the "worst" stat we have

[amber siren]

It's important to read the pull page as to why str is listed last, it's last in comparison to secondary stats A.) it's barely the rest B.) It's so abundant that it'd be silly to pass more of it up

barely behind the rest*

str adds to our defensive and offensive

stam is just a 'will i get one shot or not'?

if you aren't getting one shot

you don't need to sacrifice for stam

[still minnow]

it literally says in the first line of that read out "There is a very common misconeption about Stamina in that it is only useful for "surviving one shots" or something similar. "

[amber siren]

Yes that's correct

Stamina is more than just getting one shot

But it's less beneficial than a strength flask

[supple path]

There are two shots, three shots. Really all sorts of shots. Stamina makes you die less. It just doesn't do anything useful up to the point it prevents the death.

[amber siren]

Stamina will come with ilvl which is part of our gearing

You don't actively go out of your way for stam

If you have 100k hp and you take a stam flask but you're not at risk of a very quick death then you're just taking extra damage to be healed up than the tank who is using a str flask to buff the rest of his stats

[twin hazel]

That strength flask will prevent more damage than that stam flask provides over the fight

[still minnow]

Alright, thanks guys. I just was curious as to why there was no actual explanation tbh

[merry cave]

@sudden gazelle i use Ipse stuff on both dk and war, they're really good tbh

im using stam flasks lol, there about 1/5 of the price

[south imp]

What talents should i use for motherload +2, never tanked in my life

[merry cave]

Check pins, its allin the guide

[fathom field]

Any world bosses or emissary quests giving away shields?

[prisma night]

Im a little surprised there were no tank changes at all in the latest blue post

Not just warrior but i wouldve thought something would be touched on for atleast 1 tank spec

[young oasis]

any tips for Fetid Devourer HC?

[silent current]

2 early to change something for tanks i think

[prisma night]

Yeah i guess its a little more compicated to balance than the pew pew

Although i find it super funny about all the people QQ'ing in the comments about this spec or that spec

Its fuckin anarchy in there

[sick sentinel]

they're always whinning

i feel like prot war and feral whine the least, the irony

[still sigil]

so i need some help with a particular M+, what packs am i suppose to pull to get 100% enemy forces near end? i been skipping a lot and get to the end with like 80%

not sure what to be picking up extra

[sick sentinel]

@young oasis always have mitigation up for the thrashes, pre soft enrage just SB does the trick, after depends on your stats

You can use SB 3 times, the chill 15 sec with last stand (with bolster) and then SB again 3 times

Try to not have any mitigation up while he goes eating or he is casting shit

And tank him against the mushrooms so you don't get flinged back

Have a holy paladin in your raid and you're good with that

[raven kernel]

if you keep your gcd free for the knockback you can charge back midair

and get free rage

[native coyote]

turning a knockback into an interscept + SS (klonk!) mid-air is very satisfying

[young oasis]

Vanquished Tendril of G'huun good for DPS output?

[next goblet]

so can we get a shield from conquest points?

[analog pendant]

no shield for conquest sadly

[next goblet]

damn

do you get to pick your wep tho?

because if thats the case, ill just pick a fury weapon then

[analog pendant]

yea. a crit/haste onehander and two twohanders

[next goblet]

i have a 340 mace from atal with a leech proc.. 5ilvl with crit/haste isn't going to make a huge difference

[robust hemlock]

do you get a shield too?

[next goblet]

apparently no 😦

so apparently vers has a huge weight on IP

[fathom field]

thought it was mastery for ip

[undone sun]

both affect IP

[errant coral]

ahould i useda 355 ring with crit mastery over a 345 one with haste vers?

use a*

[amber siren]

but yesa

[errant coral]

sorry for my bad typing 😛

[fathom field]

never surrender seems useful for pvp when you are getting smashed

[gray wolf]

feel like this is a victory for a protection warrior

next up is siege 9

[vocal nimbus]

Karazhan 🤔

[gray wolf]

just as confused as you on that part

but it says 370 pieces of gear

[fathom field]

lol what is going on

[gray wolf]

pushing as a prot warrior in dungeons

cus why not

[cinder bridge]

awwww the 500 conquest points weekly reward doesn't grant a shield, only weapons

sadface

[undone sun]

i don't know why anyone would think NS would be remotely useful

[fathom marten]

Guild and i got 4/8 at uldir(normal) last night. Went pretty well. Only boss that actually cave us trouble was mother. Letting those adds get a cast off is awful lol. We will attempt to finish the rest tonight. 👌

I was expecting it to be harder

Tbh

Tanks have it easy it seems

[ionic ridge]

How do you guys deal with vectis ?

[delicate tide]

vectis step one: fill up the raid with as many players as you can

[amber siren]

yeah honestly we did vectis with 30 people and the plague wasn't even a mechanic

[fathom marten]

I was expecting him to be a lot worse too. I mean we only did one attempt and got him to 20% before we wiped from not soaking

Called it a night after that

[undone sun]

definitely seemed like one of the easier bosses on heroic

[ionic ridge]

How do you deal with it at 14-15 people ? x)

[delicate tide]

if you are talking incoming damage on you though, id say dont be afraid to call for an external when you have the tank debuff keep IP up, maybe save demo shout for it so you got some extra rage too

our guild tried with 14 people. it wasnt fun esp when the vectors stacked on 1 person

then we filled it up with randoms and killed it first try

scaling on that fight is a joke

[fathom marten]

@ionic ridge what's actually killing your raid though?

[ionic ridge]

Stupidity

Phase one we get it fine

[tight tree]

Well if other tanks don’t have to call for externals, then things are shitty.

[ionic ridge]

I personally never have to call for externals, we're prot war and BDK

We swap and rotate cd's we're fine

The thing is

Phase 1 we get maximum 4 stacks and isolate the person

But phase 2 repositionning

And sometimes adds spawning

Making DPS stack randomly

Gettin myself from 0 to 7 stacks instant

[mild vigil]

The pinned blockable spells list from beta says that G'huun's explosive corruption can be spell reflected to prevent getting debuff. Does this still work on live?

[undone sun]

it should

[burnt iron]

ilvl king still for prot?

[vocal nimbus]

Except for rings

[mild vigil]

What do I do with hydrocores after having made both belt and legs?

[burnt iron]

what do i go for on rings then?

i have 345 haste/mastery, 340 haste/crit and 355 mastery/haste

[weak zephyr]

@mild vigil follower equipment.

[fathom marten]

@mild vigil did you make follower equipment yet?

Lol

^^

[mild vigil]

Huh, blacksmithing is only class that has +10% mission change and -20% duration

Do they sell good on ah, taking into account the expulsom cost?

[weak zephyr]

I don't think you can even sell them on the AH tbh isn't anything made with Hydrocores BoP?

[mild vigil]

"Binds when used"

https://www.wowhead.com/item=162109/storm-silver-spurs

"On live it is Binds when USED, NOT Bind on pickup."

[weak zephyr]

Hmmm... Well I can't tell you how much they're worth then because literally not a single blacksmith is selling their follower equipment on my server.

https://theunderminejournal.com/#us/dalaran/search/magnetic mining pick

[smoky wave]

Cos they cost 10 expulsum and a hydrocore to make

[mild vigil]

At lowest, ores are 40g and expulsom are 1200 gold. So to break even, whetstones are 12200g and spurs are 25600g.

[native coyote]

about ~70k gold on my server

[mild vigil]

Will people pay for them? Do people do missions for rep after revered? Ilvl 350 exalted is kinda obsolete now

[smoky wave]

They were selling for less than 20k for me.

[weak zephyr]

Idk I'd ask the people on the TSM server. Tbh the only blacksmithing stuff I sell is the stuff that makes your mount go faster

[kind mirage]

Hello guys. Any advuce on usefuk proffessions for prot warrior ? I do pve / pvp, mostly solo, and xan't find any advice on the topic

[mild vigil]

Blacksmithing for ilvl 355/370/385 BoP legs and belt

[kind mirage]

Is it really worth it ? I heard mats are hatd to come by, and that you woukd be more geared before to find them all, is it true ?

[fathom field]

herb and alchemy ot herb and mining :)

[amber siren]

Only as easy to outgear as your luck

There's no set professions

And it depends on what you want to do

Money or gear or toys etcetc

[fathom field]

Gotta have those health potions

[burnt iron]

is prot in a bad place atm?

for m+, not raiding sorry

[undone sun]

could be better
could be worse

[burnt iron]

but 5's are still easy enough right?

[undone sun]

yup

but i mean, ease is subjective

[burnt iron]

we have decent dps but one of us had to go tank between warr/monk

and i was told warr is in a better place atm for tanking so got forced into it lol

[junior ivy]

hey thyme i did a motherlode +11 last night lol

[undone sun]

nice

[junior ivy]

2 hours

not bad i think

[kind mirage]

@amber siren I'm more looking for useful stuff, gesr or cool mounts

[frosty wedge]

@burnt iron someone just didn't want to tank - Monks are definitely in a good place

[cloud bone]

@junior ivy my 10 motherlode took about the same time

if they didn't take away my shield mid last boss fight it woulda been less tho

[junior ivy]

the trash was soo awful omg

our only hope was to kill one or 2 so after we wiped we'd have a smaller group to deal with

[fathom marten]

I actually had trouble holding threat for mythic plus with this frost dk

[astral crystal]

10 motherlode

yikes

sounds painful

we did 10 siege and it was smooth sailing

most infested mobs were non-elite

[junior ivy]

im doin a +11 freehold today i think

[karmic sphinx]

man im about to give up on warrior

can barely do +7

in time

either im bad or the class is

but i just cant get it to work

[fathom marten]

As I've been doing more difficult content. Yeah, I'm starting to see the weakness in wars compared to other tanks.

[burnt iron]

i've just done a +5 and thought i was taking way too much damage compared to the other tanks i've been grouped with lol

[sick sentinel]

I'm really pissed that US can easily do 10s this week while EU can't if not top notch progression

[cinder bridge]

+6 and +7 kicking my butt -_-

[sick sentinel]

Best bet is a +6 Atal/Waycrest +3 and then getting a reasonable +9

[burnt iron]

wait, US have different affixes or?

[fathom marten]

No we just better

hehehehe

😉

[sick sentinel]

@burnt iron US got high keys from weekly chest/EU didn't

[burnt iron]

oh ok true i guess getting the key is the hardest thing

[strong hill]

@young oasis the general consensus for devourer is 1) make sure you have block up for thrash 2) call for an external as needed 3) tighten your butt cheeks because things are going to get rough

[sick sentinel]

For my m+ set: Would you still use Resounding Protection over Vampiric Speed?

The Champions Helm is so nicely traited imho

[vocal nimbus]

people with +8/9/10 experience, can you make those in time playing pull by pull?

[trim portal]

hey guys is this a good place to ask for log advice?

[signal plover]

#449510248579858432

[trim portal]

oh i'm blind

thanks

❤

[signal plover]

But also here if there's like one specific question

[trim portal]

ehh just problems with fetid

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BpkpvlkMvk&t

Yep

[trim portal]

tanking for the guild while one of the main tanks away and just taking alot of dmg on fetid

we tried a small group before taking the rest in at 2/3/7 and was dying alot

[signal plover]

Are u tanking thrash?

Or the boss?

[trim portal]

thrash

dk wouldn't let me have aggro taunting on cd

well not cd

[signal plover]

It should be established

[trim portal]

ill post the log

or the longest pull i guess they killed it when i had to step out and got a brew in ☹

[frosty wedge]

we're always weak at the beginning of patches, we're a lot more gear dependent than other tanks I feel

[trim portal]

got a rank 22 on heroic taloc 😃

so felt good about that atleast

but my tanking wasn't good

i felt

[signal plover]

fetid thrash is doable on heroic for prot warr, we're one of the best for it

because it's blockable

[trim portal]

i was probably just managing my cd's and rage badly which wouldn't suprise me

[lucid bough]

Prot should be MT right?

in that fight

im sauying

saying

[hexed geyser]

Am really struggling with necrotic... any advice?

[sick sentinel]

Bring a Frost Mage/Monk with Ring of Peace

[hexed geyser]

Do rogues do the trick ?

[sick sentinel]

Not lucky enough to have a rogue in my mythic comp

[warped cove]

Whats a good Hp pool atm?

[sick sentinel]

There's no stamina trinkets afaik, so rly depends on your ilvl

Also Str > Stam in terms of survival

[mortal pike]

You can offtank or maintank Fetid, both are fine as Warrior

[sick sentinel]

I took the thrashes like a champ

ok, the one/two times I didn't have SB I almost died but the rest were fine

esp, critical blocks, it barely got past my IP

I also having Rets put kings on me in that fight, you can eat them with only shieldblock

[opaque harness]

So if they listed no warrior changes for the september 11th class tuning, does that mean none are coming for that day?

[jagged bay]

relax

[raven kernel]

no thats just a preview

[opaque harness]

I am! Just a question. I imagine they are planning on changes for 8.1

[real thunder]

Hello, just wondering your thoughts on the following. I know right now "Booming Voice" is the preferred talent for all situations. However it seems to me that "Devastator" brings SS off of cooldown alot. Right now on single enemy tanking(boss) in Uldir, i seem to need more rage to spam our weak IP. I know it would be a DPS loss, but would "Devastator" actually be more helpful for survival because of the rage generation from the extra SS procs?

[sick sentinel]

Booming voice with DC and AM is BONKERS because the uptime is ridiculous

but I still prefer playing with devastator

[real thunder]

DC?

[sick sentinel]

Deafening crash

[fathom field]

Devastator is not a dps loss 1v1 from what ive seen

[real thunder]

duh..lol

[sick sentinel]

since they put IP on GCD I find playing without devastator literally unplayable

[real thunder]

Cant you still benefit from DC w/o booming voice? It would seem that rage gain from the SS procs from Devestator would be greater than the 40 rage from Booming voice.

[fathom field]

Yes. I get more rage when i need it from bv though

[sick sentinel]

you need DC whatever your talents are

IMHO

[fathom field]

You need it at the start of fights to pop ip and sb

thats why bv rly shines for me

[sick sentinel]

if you are playing double Brace of impact, play with devastator

for more SB

[fathom field]

I dunno about that

[obsidian granite]

Yeah, being able to pop Demo and then have SB/IP immediately available to me is invaluable imo

[undone sun]

DC makes BV more valuable and vice versa

[fathom field]

I mean you can run devastator for more consistent rage gen

[obsidian granite]

i'll also take the 15% damage boost for ridiculous aoe dps

[real thunder]

Im playing with an arms trait chest( Ilvl 370 ) instead of my brace for impact( ilvl 340 ) because of the Ilvl increaset. Is this wrong?

[undone sun]

Devastator is likely to be a dps increase on single target, it's hard to say without working sims and as we can see from logs it's hit or miss

defensively it's definitely not better

[fathom field]

What do the logs say about dev and 2x brace for impacts?

I mean if you want to run devaststor id just do it. its not meta though. I run it all the time.

[real thunder]

Also, is there a tank sim? Tried simcraft but it didn't support tank specs, i get an error when i try to sim my tank.

[undone sun]

only for offensive reasons

you cannot sim defensively

but, prot warrior doesn't even have support atm

[prisma night]

is anyone working on it?

[undone sun]

yes

[graceful mason]

You can sim on AMR but the community doesn't agree with their tool

[undone sun]

because it's incredibly inaccurate

just because you can, doesn't mean you should

[graceful mason]

How can you know though

[undone sun]

what

[graceful mason]

Community perception that it is?

[real thunder]

@undone sun why is BM better for defense than Devastator? Wouldn't Devastator rage gain be greater and therefor allow you to spend more rage so that AM can bring BM off of CD faster?

sorry DM

[fathom field]

Bm generates on demand rage

[undone sun]

deva doesn't generate rage innately, it's just based on rng ss resets

[fathom field]

its more valuable to me to have that 40 at the start of a pull then 40 spread out through the fight

[prisma night]

on demand has value

[raven kernel]

frontloaded rage

with AM

[fathom field]

Ya especially since we need sb and ip up and its 65 rage

[steel mauve]

Still have to spend a gcd on dev, and if you dont then you lose out on procs, so it doesnt technically generate rage with out a cost of another action

[fathom field]

thats two intercepts and a demo shout

[raven kernel]

devastator has almost no value during avatar

since TC eats up half your gcds

and your other half you have to juggle ip revenge ss

and demo once

[burnt iron]

what sort of uptime should you be having for shield block? i'm only managing around 40% in dungeons atm

[raven kernel]

cant give u a number for that

esp in dungeons

when you're kiting you dont need sb up

uptime gets rekt

[sick sentinel]

Well it's a 6s buff on a ~16s cooldown so there's not much you can do

But uptime on SB doesn't matter now

[burnt iron]

yeah makes sense, i kite alot because we use a frostm age

[sick sentinel]

Uptime during big damage bursts is what matters and you can't really check that

[burnt iron]

i keep it up pretty much constantly when i am getting attacked

[raven kernel]

yeah thats what you want

[sick sentinel]

That's good

Only brewmaster wants high uptime

[fathom marten]

You can check up time with high damage burst with details

[real thunder]

oh btw thanks for the info, it was appreciated

[fathom field]

I tried running devastate with hr to keep sb up all the time but I couldnt do it against one target. Would be nice :)

[solid mist]

@fathom marten how do you see uptime with high damage burst in details?

[merry cave]

So motherload 11 wasnt so bad, until last boss

which is fucking ruining us lol

[fathom field]

Damn. as prot?

[tiny rapids]

In your opinion guys: 34% haste 7% versa or 30% haste 10% versa?

being picky here.

[sick sentinel]

if you are not losing ilvl haste

and if its only 5-10 ilvl on rings then haste again

[tiny rapids]

yeah I'm not, deciding between 2 rings 340

alright thanks

[formal cargo]

After you have DC, is it worth grabbing the Uldir specific azerite traits?

[balmy cove]

Any tips on handling the magic damage from vectis?

[formal cargo]

IP, spell reflect, lock rocks and last stand. High up time on demo shout. If your gear has good haste optimization, punish might be good if you need raw mitigation

[balmy cove]

Ok cool! I'll work on that

Thanks

[humble mason]

My god it's been a while since I played, I don't remember the third 1st tier skill

Punish, ITF an something

[dusk locust]

impending victory

[humble mason]

Right

[formal cargo]

Right? I ran punish in early beta cause “omg permanent 3% magic resist” then realized I didn’t have to play with 5% haste anymore

[burnt iron]

Currently using 340 Rezan's and 340 Emblem of Zandalar, should i buy blockades?

[humble mason]

Considering the GCD change, is ITF even good? I feel like the self heal wood generally be better in most situations.

Blockades is probably one of the best trinkets in the game right now. Haven't looked at the raid to be fair, but that heal is hard to beat I think. Right?

[fathom field]

Blockades is cheap as hell now. def buy it

[humble mason]

Cheap? God damn it I paid like 180k

[formal cargo]

Blockade is rad. The stamina is basically magic resist. The healing is just icing. Strength and stamina alone make it worth while till heroic uldir

[fathom field]

Its under 30k on stormrage

[humble mason]

Excuse me while I cry into my wallet.

[fathom field]

lol ya rly

[burnt iron]

it's 14k on kazzak

[humble mason]

My god I got ripped off

[fathom field]

a token and a half of game time right there

[formal cargo]

I think the reason you’ll never see IV being popular is how geared out kit is towards mitigation. Being able to sometimes mitigate and sometimes heal isn’t as valuable as ITP giving you the haste to reliably have IP and Demo up

[humble mason]

Well to be fair, I'm jobless in Sweden. The state pays for my game time.

[fathom field]

Aha

[formal cargo]

Haste increases damage, rotation speed, block up time, IP casts per fight, which anger management converts into last stand CD reduction

It’s the full combo of talents that makes ITF so good

[humble mason]

Right, something I've been meaning to ask the community, I cannot think of a reason to ever take anything but anger management now that last stand is so ducking good

Am I wrong? Is it situational at all?

[steel mauve]

The heal from IV is really low, on a cd, and it eats a valuable gcd that we would need for other abilities

[formal cargo]

Yup. And if you have DC azerite trait, you can cast demo right after demo ends if you cast avatar during the first cast

[humble mason]

With bolster it's just so god dam good

[formal cargo]

Basically every other demo shout is double duration

[steel mauve]

With how our kit is you dont take any thing but AM

[digital arrow]

especially not fun when your shield is 315

[humble mason]

And then there's that trait too.

[merry cave]

So motherload last boss doign 0 physical damage is fun

[formal cargo]

It’s lame how we have one viable talent build, but the synergy is so strong

[digital arrow]

it's pretty sad that u can only get a new shield from five dungeons and two bosses in uldir

[compact sigil]

Hey all, for those that need it, Horde US got a 1h wep from wq in Atal

[digital arrow]

when u could get armor pieces from world quests or buy them from emissaries

[fathom field]

^

Ya i cant push past +5 until my shield goes up like 30 ilvls

[humble mason]

Maybe they will drop item levels like they did after night hold?

[compact sigil]

i got super lucky and got a shield from an Atal 5, just hold strong, you guys will get them

[formal cargo]

My holy paladin got a 355 shield last night. Real bitter

[burnt iron]

we got AP from the atal'dazar wq lol

[digital arrow]

@fathom field same here, except not confident to even push +4.. i'm stuck to grinding the same +2 dungeons for hours

[burnt iron]

i haven't been taken for longer than 2 hours and i'm about to do an 8 atal'dazar 😄

taken = tanking*

[fathom field]

wtf

Thats a good group you have

[digital arrow]

🤔

[dense lichen]

@fierce juniper the prot warrior stat analysis is cool, but i think the block value is really too low. With my block set boe from ah, i m alrdy 4239 block value ( shield ilvl 350).
If we add the 2 block azerite talents every prot should have in the equation, the block is way higher again : +263 with iron fortress ilvl340 i got, all the time, and +200/400 from 9sec buff when i start using shield slam (brace for impact only ilvl330). That give 4702 block value after using one shield slam.
So making the mastery calculation weight value with 3500 seem erroned. Then i conclude mastery should worth way higher, close to haste or armor value.

( Stat Analysis Sheet - https://goo.gl/oguKzo )

[digital arrow]

whoa 350 shield from AH? i'm a newbie and only checked ah like once, never saw a shield that high

i'll start looking again

im desperate

[dense lichen]

u can even buy a 355 one for higher block, like 4200 isntead 4075

[digital arrow]

mind blown

[fathom field]

oswains impasdable guard is the shield

[dense lichen]

then add 164block ifg u get the boots with it, same set

[digital arrow]

im buying a shield off the AH, i dont care if i have to buy gold

[dense lichen]

ur lucky, if u buy it now, since raid alrdy started, u should buy it really cheaper than me 2weeks ago

[digital arrow]

i see

[fathom field]

They arr 250-400k on stormrage

Same price as last week :(

[dense lichen]

bought mine 140k on big server two weeks ago, but 350, and guy was selling it like 30 less than ah

[wicked ridge]

problem with favoring mastery that heavily is it all goes out the door when non blockable dmg is prominent

[dense lichen]

sure hykon. But u can still compare it with armor and strenght value.

[wicked ridge]

haste/vers cover all the bases as well as they can. mastery covers one.

[dense lichen]

yeah ok. But i was talking about the value they get from their calculation, i think they still usin really too much low block number (3500) to be fair.

[strong forum]

Got the shield from normal ghuun :^), although I had 355 oswains already but ghuun shield is sexy

[digital arrow]

nice

[crisp elk]

Might be lazy, but is there a decent way to generate a pawn string for prot?

[undone sun]

nope

[merry cave]

lol 11 motherload over 2hrs -_-

at least 45 mins on that last boss

[wicked ridge]

360 vers/haste gloves with socket or 370 crit/vers no socket?

[minor pecan]

does crysalline Carapace stack from being on multiple pieces of azerite gear?

[dense lichen]

@crisp elk i searched a simcraft for prot but it seems there is nothing available right now.
Actually i m using this one. It's more about mythic key than raiding, and with using high block value/block traits.
So i boosted strenght/crit taking aggro in consideration, and mastery too...and lowered armor...
I considered ignore pain with more weight, as in m+ u only got one healer.
( Pawn: v1: "prot": Class=Warrior, Spec=Protection, MovementSpeed=5, HasteRating=9.4, MasteryRating=8.8, Armor=7, Avoidance=15, Strength=7.8, Leech=3, CritRating=7.5, Versatility=8, Stamina=4, Dps=9 )

[vagrant cape]

has there ever been a WQ for the alliance that rewards a shield?

[minor pecan]

i havent seen it. still have a 325 shield and ive done every mythic that drops a shield since week one

[vale gorge]

@dense lichen why do you value tertiary stats so high?

[vagrant cape]

wtf are tertiaries? leech/speed/avoidance?

[vale gorge]

yes

[vagrant cape]

nifty

@minor pecan same. Shields must be made solely of vibranium. no one wants to give em up

[fathom field]

Yo do i need to get down on my knees for a shield

Is it like that

[dense lichen]

Well i rly think avoidance helps a lot.
Speed can help for kiting in m+ . It's pretty useless in raid. Well not totally, it got some use when i tanked fetid hm, cause u have to move him a lot in a huge room.
Maybe leech worth less in m+. And surely even lower in raid, with many healers available.

i got 166 avoidance it alrdy give me a huge 5.93% reduction on aoe damages. I think void lash from fourth Uldir raid boss, per example, is aoe too. Many raid boss are using big cleaving skill on tank, so i guess it's reduced by avoidance.

[strong hill]

@merry cave 2 hours for a 11 doesn’t sound bad. Some guildies did a 12 shrine. 6 hours to complete. 2nd and last boss were in real

[vale gorge]

hmm yeah I agree avoidance is pretty good

but it feels like each avoidance point shouldn't be valued twice as much as each versa point though

I'm not really an expert though 😄

[fathom field]

The transmog discord sucks. Post your prot warrior on this beast

[undone sun]

there's #transmog for a reason 😉

[fathom field]

Its just pictures of orcs

With two handers

Show me the shield

[dense lichen]

@vale gorge About avoidance :Yeah well it's my choice xD But as most aoe are spell damages, they really hurt. And usually it's really big number who can kill you. And no block, no armor can help :/
And this week with sanguine it s pretty helpful too.

[fathom field]

Dont be scared

[merry cave]

@strong hill thats an awful long time lol

[wraith moth]

@vagrant cape yes. I got a 330 shield from wq. Alliance. Think it was week before raid opened.

[strong hill]

@merry cave yup. I did my dailies , some arena and other stuff and they were still at it.

[vale gorge]

@dense lichen yeah, I agree with everything you said

I think I'll be using your pawn string but with the tertiary stat weights lowered a bit haha

[fathom field]

shield from wq? i didnt see it

[dense lichen]

yea. Do what fits you 😃

[lunar spade]

does a fully blocked attack still give you a necrotic stack ? how do we deal with it besides Kiting ?

[undone sun]

yes

stuns and kites

[sleek radish]

Does any1 know if you can trust ask mr robots optimizer? I mean it feels like it should be good but if i compare to icy veins stat weights it say diffrent things

[wraith moth]

@fathom field was a small golden circle one. Loa-bound defender

[undone sun]

i would strongly recommend against using AMR @sleek radish

[lunar spade]

What would be an ideal set up for a M+ pushing group with a prot warrior , currently running disc priest ( cause i got no PALA D:) Frost mage , Rogue , Warlock

[fathom field]

I dunno about disc priest with a prot. Im hating on it.

[lunar spade]

Yeah , had a resto shaman and a holy paladin

disc priest was 354

and couldn't spot heal me when needed as much as the 333 paladin or the 341 resto shaamn

yet he gets 95% logs

and I know he aint a shit person , he is just used to dpsing more than healing as he playted with my blood dk / DH

[undone sun]

definitely have to pull around the disc' CDs and not overpull even if it is slight

[lunar spade]

I often have to cc two mobs out of a 4 pack just to not get overwhelmed..

but that might have been due to me not knowing my buttons yet after getting a new UI and slightly changing the keys

[shut summit]

MW works pretty well with us

[lunar spade]

( was a +9 btw )

[fathom field]

Thats with every tank though

cc all the time in these dungeons

[lunar spade]

Also , Just a quick reminder , the Voldunai world quest award ( i don't know if it's the same for all ) the azerite piece has some of the best traits on it , ( BFI , Liffespeed , and either Impassive visage or resounding protection , depending what you want )

( on EU )

[burnt iron]

not bad, completed an 8 atal'dazar, wasn't in time (40mins) but i've only been tanking for about 2 hours or so, really wasn't confident going in lol

[lunar spade]

if necrotic is being handlked correctly , you will be fine is what i'm feeling

[fathom field]

+8 is high

[merry cave]

i really wish they'd of made spell refect stop necrotic stacks similar to how AMS works

would be relaly nice buff for us on those weeks

[undone sun]

in legion that would have been too op

[merry cave]

Least it would stop the pug morons say 'warriors cant do necrotic'

[fleet galleon]

I don't think you can balance classes around "pug morons"

[merry cave]

On the same note its not about to make wars #1 mdi pick either 😛

[undone sun]

with only pally and dk preventing stacks, i guess they think it's balanced

even if they added it now, it'll only prevent a single stack

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[merry cave]

mm

just take ravager for the dodge 😂

[dense lichen]

i just tanked atal azar +7 with the necrotic. I think war are ok with it : we can flee and kite easily. And we mitigate a lot : block/absorb...and no healing in our set who can be wasted by necrotic.

[undone sun]

yikes

ravager memes this early in the morning

[merry cave]

6:30pm here, ravagermeme o'clock

[undone sun]

930 am

[dense lichen]

died few times on the undeads packs. The rest was cool, no death. Boss was a joke. ilvl 352 equipped.

@vale gorge i listened and lowered speed/leech, but cant change myself about the insane avoidance weight xD i changed a bit some number for str/vers/crit too.
( Pawn: v1: "prot": Class=Warrior, Spec=Protection, MovementSpeed=4, HasteRating=9.4, MasteryRating=8.8, Armor=7, Avoidance=15, Strength=7.8, Leech=3, CritRating=7.5, Versatility=8, Stamina=4, Dps=9 )
Armor still low because : no damages/aggro boost, not IP boosting, and working only vs physical.

[fathom field]

free do you have the mastery enchant on your weapon?

[undone sun]

avoidance only works for some abilities, rating it at 15 is ridiculous

the whole thing seems incredibly wrong to begin with

[vivid sage]

who's pawn line is it anyways

[dense lichen]

mine 😄

[vivid sage]

no i meant that as a joke

like who's line is it anyway

where everything is made up and the points don't matter

[fathom field]

i assign that a value of 10

[dense lichen]

@fathom field i ve done wrong : i put stalwart nav on my axe. Should have go haste. Why mastery if i value haste higher?

[fathom field]

Cause its probably super cheap

[dense lichen]

@undone sun yea my avoidance rating is a special choice.
about "the whole thing seems incredibly wrong" : can you argue ? xD

[junior ivy]

at what ilvl ring is it worht it to use expensive enchant instead of cheap one?

[edgy solstice]

whatever you can afford I'd say

[fathom field]

Man id say 385. is +10 haste worth 10-30k for ya?

[dense lichen]

@fathom field well i dont care paying 2-3k higher if i get the enchant i want. I do a lot a "business" at ah, and so, got enough gold to afford that.

[junior ivy]

i can never afford it

[edgy solstice]

[fathom field]

lol

I mean the +27 hastes are basically free

[junior ivy]

i got 37 on my 345 ring and 27 on my 340 ring right now

i guess its not a huge difference

10 haste

[fathom field]

Ya i mean thr haste food buff gives you like 7 times that

[undone sun]

for tanks, most of the time defensive stats can differ from fight to fight and avoidance is incredibly niche/situational and by no means out weights every other fucking stat in any given scenario
There's also no feasible way you could have gotten those to be nearly accurate enough to hand out to others let alone use for personal use, you cannot sim defensively so how you determined exact weights is beyond me.

[fathom field]

Save the gold and buy 500 health pots and food buffs I think

[undone sun]

pawn as a whole isn't worth using for tanks because it differs so much, following the stat priority is plenty

[steel mauve]

I usually have the rule of thumb myhic 0 dungeon loot is worth cheap enchants, any thing over normal raid gear is worth the expensive ones, but thats a semi hardcore mythic stand point

[dense lichen]

i put +37haste on 370ring. But yeah, i was using only +27 before.
Here +37 is 15k gold. I dont think it worth +10, especially if your gold limited .

[fathom field]

15 isnt bad on a 370 ring i guess

[junior ivy]

370 wow

i have no luck with titanforges

im only 348 ilvl

[fathom field]

Hey me too :)

bars > raiding

[dense lichen]

@undone sun i dont know if u rode my previous messages, but i think mastery is under valued since it give huge mitigation as soon as ur using big ilvl shield and block traits.

[fathom field]

ya but how do you accurately quantify it?

[undone sun]

mastery still interacts heavily with crit blocks, yes it does drop slightly the higher shield you have but it's nothing significant afaik

also rating speed the same as stam....

that makes very little sense

[dense lichen]

@undone sun yeah mastery give crit blocks, and if u go block setup, mastery give really better results. That s why i value it higher than versa and close to haste.
About using weight : well it helps choose what item to use, when u have like 6rings 340-345.
pawn make the choice way easier.

[timid jay]

Run away from the damage

[fathom field]

avoidance is worth 4x stamina? seems high

[undone sun]

using your brain also makes it much easier

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid jay]

Its still just a arbitrary choice, you're basing it on what? How the stats feel?

[fathom field]

I rate my transmog as a 10 and yours a 2.5

[dense lichen]

i put 4 on stam, but put the number you want. Usually we dont need to pool hp but to mitigate damage. Stam mitigate nothing, everyone know that since many expansions 😉

[timid jay]

So just because it doesnt mitigate its bad?

[dense lichen]

yea 😄

[undone sun]

🤦

[timid jay]

🤔

[vocal nimbus]

Stamina is a DR too

[undone sun]

stamina obviously isn't #1 BiS stat but it adds to EHP and that's incredibly important for a tank

no way in hell i'd rank it evenly with speed

[dense lichen]

when mobs cant hit me i dont need stam xD

[kindred mulch]

[timid jay]

Just stack crit for parry

100% DR

[shut summit]

🤦

[undone sun]

might as well talent ravager

[dense lichen]

man, there is stam everywhere. This is never a choice about choosing a stam item

[clever plinth]

Just kill the mobs before they hit you

[undone sun]

obviously

[dense lichen]

unless stam trinkets

[vocal nimbus]

If you have 100 hp and something hits you for 20 dmg, that hit does 20%. If you have 200 hp that hit hits for 10%, so in some way stamina is a damage reduction

[fathom field]

That doesnt impact its importance though

Just because it is prevalent

[edgy solstice]

if you don't enter the instance the mobs can never hit you 🤔

[strong hill]

@undone sun ravager is the true meme spec talent

[clever plinth]

If you don't log in you can't take damage

🤔

[dense lichen]

@vocal nimbus u got healers. If u got only hp they gonna get oom fast.

obvious

[timid jay]

I'd rather have 400 and 0% Dr than 100hp and 25% dr

[dense lichen]

if mobs hit u for 10 and u got a healer, then ur wrong

[timid jay]

what

[midnight citrus]

Anyone have a recommendation for a prot warrior streamer for Uldir or mythic+ runs? Or a good tank to watch for mythic+ pull order

[errant coral]

So would you say a 355 trinket with crit mastery is better than a 345 with haste vers?

Ring* even

[timid jay]

Only if it has speed

[undone sun]

🏃

[dense lichen]

xD

[timid jay]

🤒

[clever plinth]

Sanic warrior op

[edgy solstice]

gotta go fast

[kindred mulch]

🤤

[timid jay]

Even trying to make pawn work based on such lose terms

[rare cradle]

So, i have rezan trinket 340, and i have vial of blood 355, which one should i use?

nvm rezan is 325

[fathom field]

vial!!!

[rare cradle]

Should i keep rezan or go vial

thanks ❤

[fathom field]

I base that on my pawn string. Got this shit figured out.

[timid jay]

Pawn should just die off now that raidbots is so prevalent, pawn has no place for defensive values and for offense you might as well use raidbots

[sick sentinel]

so it has begun, most of +7 are only for DK (maybe DH monk pala)

[fathom field]

My stat weight is 10. Yours is 5.

[rare cradle]

So... is there any guide i can check on how to Sim prot? aren't tanks not supposed to be simmed?

[sick sentinel]

u dont sim prot

unless for dmg only

[undone sun]

we don't currently have a working profile for simc

[fathom field]

I'd like to sim diana lane. If you know what I mean.

[rare cradle]

Ah, ok thanks

[vivid sage]

i'm wearing my pawn g string right now actually

[fathom field]

Pics or it didnt happen

[stark isle]

im guessing everyone here has tanked fetid devourer?

[errant coral]

Here we go again with fetid😀

[crisp elk]

thanlks @dense lichen i'll check it out

[stark isle]

we are having a few issues with our prot warrior taking thrash stacks on him.

[steep grotto]

have changes in war prot in this patch?

[stark isle]

i thought crit block would be a huge reduction in damage

[timid jay]

Depends on shield

[undone sun]

it is, but you can't guarantee crit blocks anymore

[timid jay]

and you cant guarantee a crit block

[edgy solstice]

well they nerfed the thrash damage too didn't they?

[stark isle]

is it very difficult to deal with the thrash

[edgy solstice]

or is that still upcoming?

[errant coral]

Not really

[undone sun]

they made it so it doesn't scale with raid size

[edgy solstice]

ah yeah

[stark isle]

when did that fix go live?

[native kelp]

Yo - what the fuck!?

[undone sun]

it was a hotfix so it should be live

[stark isle]

was that before or after thursday

[native kelp]

Anyone have a WQ reward for something they recently got today?

[undone sun]

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/world-of-warcraft/21973195/hotfixes-september-7-2018

7th

[errant coral]

Back to fetid,you can mitigate alot of the damage as a warrior

[native kelp]

For Atal Dazar?

[steel mauve]

Yesterday

[stark isle]

so its just a rotating your own CDs kinda thing? you should be able to take every thrash right

[native kelp]

yes

[errant coral]

You have to manage your CDs really well, judge if you can use shield wall so it's ready for enrage etc

[undone sun]

pretty much past 50% you should start using Cds yeah

[errant coral]

You can use shield wall at start and it should be ready again for 50%

[stark isle]

kk we were having a couple issues with our tank just getting trucked and i needed information before i talked to him I appreciate that

[undone sun]

plenty of externals too

[stark isle]

yeah

/g yo t

[errant coral]

It's hard to manage the first time you try it @stark isle so go easy on him :)

[stark isle]

oh theres no judgment lol

[rare cradle]

Should i use wowhead or icy veins for azerite traits?

[undone sun]

they basically say the same thing

[rare cradle]

Ok ty

[errant coral]

What do you guys think? My guild wasn't very happy when I and the other tank died a few times on fetid. Got alot of criticism especially because I'm on trial.

[reef fulcrum]

Heroic?

[errant coral]

Of course

We one shotted everything on normal apart from mother and ghuun

[undone sun]

definitely a few leading causes like not having mitigation up at the correct times

[errant coral]

One time im sure it's because I wasn't topped up before the attack

[undone sun]

that's another factor, yup

[dense lichen]

@stark isle Personnally i tanked fetid hm as main tank. As war i think we can mitigate a lot of his melee. A dk was taking the trash damage. I don t know which class is the best mt2. Or if it s better to tank switch. As war i tough it would be best to be the main tank.
But the dk lacking movement skills. So maybe it would have worked better with another class, who can move faster. Since we was moving the boss to the adds.

[errant coral]

How can you track if you were at full hp before the attack?

[cinder bridge]

is there such a thing as too much haste?

sitting at 35% rn with 5 stacks itf

[dense lichen]

@stark isle but, i got very high block setup too. That's what is usually advised for warriors : 2 block traits + 1thunder clap. And good shield.
And you re warrior have to know when he can avoid using shield block, since there is often times in the fight to let shield block recharge.

[edgy solstice]

go for 350% haste 😃

[reef fulcrum]

Warcraft logs?

[edgy solstice]

I'm sure there's a point where haste would be overkill for rotation, but I don't think anyone can feasibly get anywhere near that at the moment so I wouldn't worry about it

[old zephyr]

quick question, what is the max level for weekly chest this week?

[edgy solstice]

370 from +10 isn't it?

[woeful reef]

weekly is 380, if you get an azerite its 385

380 could be higher with forges

[reef fulcrum]

Weekly is 380

[midnight citrus]

anyone have a recommended prot war stream?

[undone sun]

warr is actually one of, if not the best tank for off tanking on fetid because of how useful block is against thrash

and as usual healers have to be ready to top the tank off before every hit

[dense lichen]

yeah but can u have shield block every 4seconds he trash?*

[undone sun]

yes

[dense lichen]

ok

[undone sun]

it's also closer to 6-8 seconds

with much longer delays

[dense lichen]

oh ok

[steel mauve]

So you can get by with just a shield block and IP above 50% on fetid?

[junior ivy]

i asked in off topic if anyone could recommend me a good but cheap headset for talking on discord. sooo if anyone is good at this stuff, please please !

[undone sun]

most likely @steel mauve

[woeful reef]

depends on your price point cat

[junior ivy]

less than $50

[steel mauve]

My teams first raid night was last night and i did taloc, then my power went out and came back on just in time for mythrx 🙃

[dense lichen]

well i dont know which dk skill my mt2 was using for trash but he did great and closely never died.
But aren't war good too to mitigate all the front melee damage he deal all the long, as mt1 ?

[junior ivy]

maybe $60 ish for a blyetooth one

bluetooth*

but tel lme in off topic so we dont distravt prot people

[undone sun]

main tanking requires much higher mitigation uptime than thrash tanking would

[steel mauve]

Its rained so much here that the house we bought and im working on, the basement is about chest level flooded

[signal plover]

Yes this is related to protection warriors.

[steel mauve]

Chat usually goes off topic on an hourly basis

[errant coral]

@undone sun mind if I send you a message? Wondering if you could have a look at my logs

[undone sun]

sure

[vague belfry]

why can I not select a shield for my conquest weekly

[glad cradle]

How are you guys doing in +5s and up? I'm getting trucked fairly frequently

[boreal patrol]

Better off using a 340 shield with socket or 355 shield?

[undone sun]

355

[boreal patrol]

Thanks

[dense lichen]

@boreal patrol on shield there is a crazy value for prot : block. On 355 u got a lot more block than 340. Rly a lot. There is no way a 40str/haste gem can compete with 15ilvl of blocking. And you will have +15ilv more of str/stats/armor/stam too. I can't see any reason to hesitate. And even between 350+socket with better stats vs 355 shield, i think 355 win. Just because : block value.

[vivid sage]

What if the shield has a socket and avoidance

[open bluff]

There is no way a 40str/haste gem can compete with 15ilvl of blocking.

also no way avoidance can compete with that much block

[dense lichen]

sure

[undone sun]

block rating is way too important

[dense lichen]

@vivid sage "What if the shield has a socket and avoidance " Maybe if it's vs a mage boss with closely nothing to block and tons of aoe xD

[vivid sage]

But avoidance is a 15 in the pawn string

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, tanking been a breeze ever since got 355 oswains

[dense lichen]

mythic boss. All raid boss use tons of melee hits

[sick sentinel]

Value too huge.

To put into words

[dense lichen]

it could have been better

355 Oswain with avoidance xD

[sick sentinel]

Nah w/ a socket

[dense lichen]

avoidance AND socket

to put crit gem xD

[final mist]

@vivid sage Don't use Pawn, there is no way to accurately generate stat weight strings for tanks.

[strong hill]

@dense lichen wtb old world pvp gems for that socket

[sick sentinel]

Crit gem tf?

[final mist]

Just like there's no way a socket and avoidance can outweigh 15 ilevel upgrades.

[dense lichen]

+4 all resist xD

[stuck oxide]

Does the G'huun Hotfix are live ?!

[vivid sage]

I'm sorry I was trolling

[strong hill]

Now you’re talking

[floral rock]

Does Bruno mars is gay?

[sick sentinel]

I got 340 bracers vers/mast with sock and 44 fire resist.

[undone sun]

lol

they should be fuzza

[sick sentinel]

Those are neat.

[stuck oxide]

i was watching method just now and 3 person were hit by the exploding corrupt 😦

[sick sentinel]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/shadow-council/Bèthrèzèn

[stuck oxide]

suppose to be 1

[undone sun]

hmmm

[sick sentinel]

Gonna do heroic zul, myth, ghuun tonight.

Emergency exraider tank.

🙃

[fathom field]

Is it worth it to switch to engineering for the absorb belt enchant?

[echo galleon]

Do we do the leech wep enchant?

[undone sun]

no

haste

[echo galleon]

Excellent

[hasty slate]

Gotta love how I've seen one shield drop form anything in the 3 weeks i've been playing.

[echo galleon]

Just decided to start tanking, hop into ML and get the shield 😃

[fathom field]

i hate you

Life is just unfair for us shield bearers

[topaz badger]

Hey guys, does anyone here use Synaptic Spark Capacitor on their engi goggles?

[dense lichen]

@undone sun about my stam value shaming :
Since most guides i rode advice to use str flask instead stam flask.
And since there is 1.5 more stam on stam flask ( like on item, tons of stam, ever more than 1.5 time more stam than str )
So u have to take in account the "stam disponibility". The ratio. I mean on my i350 belt, there is only 158 secondary stats. Only 67 avoidance. And 178 str. BUT 286 stam.
So if we use str flask, that mean that stam worth LESS than 0.6667 str. I can tell how much less. But less, since we have to use str one ( dam/aggro/armor/ ip boost), and there is 0.6667 less str than stam on flasks.
So, as i valued, for myself, str to 7.8, biggest number is could use for stam value is 7.8x 0.6667 = 5.2
Well, i choose 4 some time ago. Then i raised other value for some reason and untouched stam. but 4 is not so far from 5.2 ( and i repeat the number is supposed to be lower from guides advices ).
The exception is, ofc, some special case with rly huge damages in short time, when u have to raise your stam. Like fetid mt2 trash i guess.
But in these kind of special events, no one need pawn or calculations to just put on the highest ilvl stuff on him. And to take a stam flask. xD

[heady gulch]

🤔

[digital arrow]

@echo galleon whats an ML

?

oh motherload

motherlode*

nice dude

[final mist]

@dense lichen Where did you get any of those numbers you "chose" or "raised for some reason"?

[digital arrow]

i've been spamming ML and still no shield. i did get 365 sabatons today at least

[final mist]

You can't work with numbers like that in any way for determining values.

[fathom field]

I feel like im a 10

[echo galleon]

Thanks fam, I even elected to just try tanking mythic mode with a 300 shield I crafted

[fathom field]

That sounds valid as f

I feel like sal is a 4. Ok 4.5.

But I'm a 12 now

[dense lichen]

well i carefully manage to chose a special value for each stats accordly to some guides, and Stat Analysis Sheet - https://goo.gl/oguKzo. And adding some more things in consideration : like having a high block shield+ block traits...and tanking m+

[tiny shard]

Hey, sorry If this is in the wrong place, I am a long time warrior tank player but havent really played past heroics, I have started doing mythic plus this expansion and noticed my HP rubber banding a huge amount, has anyone had this or know how to counter act it, I read a guide that has a huge emphasis on 100% up time on shield block which I know I havent been doing, would this fix the issue?

[echo galleon]

Well it can block Crits so if you don’t have it up all the time you’re getting melee crit for sure

[final mist]

Free, I have no idea what that means you're doing. When working with math, you need an equal base so everything has a relevant and valid starting point, you can't just pick and chose different numbers based on how you feel and call it a day.

Many or all of those models you're chosing "special values" from may have different base values, which throw your entire "decision making" out of sync.

And Stamina is still worse than Strength.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense lichen]

i mean, in this Stat Analysis Sheet, str is supposed to be the lowest, under crit value.
In my stats weights, i raised up str a lot because m+ : only 1 healer, and agggro and damage are a way lot more important.

[fathom field]

lol

[final mist]

ANd again, you can't just "raise things up" because you feel like it.

THat's not how math works.

That's not how any of this works.

[dense lichen]

it s just a way to put some numbers on the stats value

[final mist]

But you can't do that.

You can't just "put some value" to shit with no forethought.

That's feelycrafting.

[dense lichen]

u can use 2 instead 4 and 7,8 / 2 instead 7.8, who care

[tiny shard]

@echo galleon thanks man. Ill keep messing around hopefully ill find something, but my HP shouldnt bounce around like that right?

[vocal nimbus]

Thats how inflation works

[final mist]

that's

🤦

[fathom field]

who care

[timber nest]

hmm 330 or 340?https://gyazo.com/84ed8f776949b1fa94e4c4cafadc2f5e

[dense lichen]

it s not feeling, it s a way to put higher number on haste than the stat supposed to be second, etc...

[vocal nimbus]

You will end up with 300 trillion of zimbawean dollars

[fathom field]

Lol

[echo galleon]

Breve keep the shield up, i am specced into Last Stand to kind of be able to use as a third “block” cd

[digital arrow]

2+7 = 1 who care

[fathom field]

I think the government should give me $50,000. Who care

[echo galleon]

Use ignore pain more often than you rage dump on other stuff too

[dense lichen]

i mean , the number i chose are not important, it s the ratio between them

numbers

[tiny shard]

Shield block > Ignore Pain?

[final mist]

You have no understanding of how math or theorycrafting works.

[digital arrow]

@fathom field same

[fathom field]

Maths is solid

[tiny shard]

on most trash

[fathom field]

who care

[vocal nimbus]

@tiny shard generally yes

[timber nest]

https://gyazo.com/84ed8f776949b1fa94e4c4cafadc2f5e 340 or 330?

[vocal nimbus]

its more important to maintain SB than maintain IP @tiny shard

[echo galleon]

Shield block should always be up because it means you’re actively@blocking melee attacks. Ignore pain ignores 50% of damage up to a certain amount

[dense lichen]

i just have put numbers to let pawn works with stats priorities from guides.

Well gl, i have to go raiding

[tiny shard]

Thanks guys, Im 90% sure this will solve my issues

[echo galleon]

The problem could lie in that you are wasting rage by maybe using revenge too much when it’s not proc to be rage free

[vocal nimbus]

First, pawn doesnt work because the backend of the simc prot module is broken

Second, pawn is useless

[fathom field]

Yo. People don't get math.

[tiny shard]

I was having that issue when I started Mythic, but I have been working on that.

[echo galleon]

So make sure you not wasting rage on damage moves when you could be spending it on maintaining your block and ignoring future pain

[fathom field]

Its like a derivative because I think it is

[steel mauve]

if he wants to skew his own survival and what not with his own fantasized made up pawn string, i say let him, but if only there was a way to keep him from giving it out to other people to fuck over as well lol

[final mist]

The takeaway from this is 1. Don't listen to that guy, and 2. Pawn is still shite, and 3. Strength flasks are still better than Stamina ones.

Move on boys.

[fathom field]

Its a function of what I want it to be

[vocal nimbus]

@tiny shard just joined the convo and dunno if you were already told this but remember to not waste SB charges when you use Last Stand

[digital arrow]

but who care

[vocal nimbus]

that way you will gain more block uptime

[echo galleon]

Pawn is shite even if you’re plugging in from simc?

[fathom field]

I am raiding at 3pm with my avoidance gear. Who care

[digital arrow]

shrugs

[ember arrow]

who car

[undone sun]

how would you be plugging it from simc when it was just stated we don't have a working profile

[ember arrow]

Ayy lmao

[sick sentinel]

Yikes. Feelycraft.

[vocal nimbus]

Pawn is shite because you have to keep updating the string every time you change a piece

[fathom field]

Aoe dmg? who care

[vocal nimbus]

And the string is often wrong because it doesnt take into account the stats you lose by unequipping

[fathom field]

avoidance 37.2

[tiny shard]

No I wasnt told that, but Ill keep it in mind!

[vocal nimbus]

That is if simc would even work for prot warrior

[digital arrow]

sometimes i use a costly revenge to help keep aggro on mobs with that extra damage

[echo galleon]

Ah that sucks

[digital arrow]

when i pull too much

and im like fuuuck i regret

[vocal nimbus]

Which doesnt, and that alone should be enough to stop talking about pawn

[fathom field]

I use avoidance flasks

[undone sun]

haHAA

[sick sentinel]

Know what's better than avoidance gear? Real tank gear, and proactively moving out of mechanics/graphics to take no damage.

🙃

[final mist]

OKay, enough. Chill with the memeing.

[sick sentinel]

No lazy tanking.

[undone sun]

outrunning the boss obviously

[final mist]

Some is fine, but you guys are taking it too far, too often as of late.

[digital arrow]

lol

[final mist]

Back on topic, the lot of you.

[echo galleon]

So shields...

[undone sun]

i missed off topic friday

[vocal nimbus]

Sal why didnt you drink some beer today?

[steel mauve]

kinda wish some animations were more visible while tanking some of the dungeons

a slight dust pattern on tops of a brown ground doesnt help me much

[vocal nimbus]

That may be a graphic option issue

[echo galleon]

Ironkuting try playing on the lowest graphics, I just upgraded my rig finally and was amazed 😂😂😂

[vocal nimbus]

I see everything quite clear

[sick sentinel]

Is Blockades trinket worth 50k?

[fathom field]

50k? who care

[vocal nimbus]

I wouldnt spend 50k on that

[fathom field]

I use my avoidance enchant on that boom 150k

[vocal nimbus]

I got mine for 20k

[final mist]

@fathom field Did you not just see what I warned the entire channel about?

Chill.

[digital arrow]

back to talking about awful shield drops in this game

[crisp elk]

50k seems pricy. Got mine for about 26k?

[digital arrow]

is it easy to get a 340 shield through pvp? can anyone tell me please

i'm at my wits end here

[sick sentinel]

I see, I will pass xD

[digital arrow]

tears up

[vocal nimbus]

Afaik they dont drop there

[crisp elk]

How lucky are you at heroic titanforge? lol

[digital arrow]

heheh

i'll keep trying heroic daily lockout

[echo galleon]

Do shields drop in Arathi?

[digital arrow]

i dont think so, i was talking about the drops u get from doing rated pvp

[echo galleon]

No you don’t get a shield from that

[digital arrow]

oh phooey

[echo galleon]

No clue why

[vocal nimbus]

Check the arathi rare database and loot table

maybe there are some there

[digital arrow]

oh so arathi does drop stuff huh? i've only done it once

[steel mauve]

50k is pricy now that raiding is out, if it was like 2 weeks ago i would say it was, but i wouldnt pay more than 30k for blockades honestly

[digital arrow]

there is hope

[sick sentinel]

Got a nice 355 haste/vers cloak out of arathi.

[vocal nimbus]

Arathi drops pets, toys, mounts and 340+ gear

[digital arrow]

whoa

[echo galleon]

Temple of Seth has a shield

[steel mauve]

ya, the rares drop gear in arathi

[digital arrow]

time to learn how to play WoW PvP Online

[undone sun]

yikes

[fathom field]

It just doesnt drop

[digital arrow]

as a prot tank

[echo galleon]

It’s stats are ass too

[vocal nimbus]

I dont think theres much pvp in arathi,

[strong hill]

@sick sentinel I spent 50k on mine when they were 85k.

[vocal nimbus]

Join a farming raid in group finder

[fathom field]

wish we could enchant shield

[sick sentinel]

I play in a small realm so prices are kinda fucked

[finite burrow]

Hey guys, I don't knwo if this is the place but I'm a new warrior for BFA and I don't hear many good things about tanking with ia warrior in this exp. Is it worth it or should i focus on my DPS? Ty for your attention 😃

[vocal nimbus]

Prot warrior is a class capable and viable of doing all the content

You would need more attention to your playstyle than with other classes because mistakes are punished harder as warrior

[finite burrow]

Uhm yeah, understand, just harder, not impossible haha

[vocal nimbus]

But as long as you dont make many mistakes you are very tanky

And hit hard in aoe

[undone sun]

don't make any mistake

[runic parcel]

So, i just ask how prot is doing in mythic plus?

[vocal nimbus]

Read above

[fathom field]

Ive only gotten to +5 but it feels fine

Biggest issue is finding dps who dont facepull shit

[vocal nimbus]

Get friends 🤷

[runic parcel]

What the heals looking like for a prot. I know they arnt dks but i feel like they do just fine in hps right?

[fathom field]

cry

[steel mauve]

we're not meant to be self sustain

[vocal nimbus]

Every tank is 100% healer dependant this expansion

[runic parcel]

So 1k hps is common for prot?

[finite burrow]

Blood DK are helear dependant? haha

[vocal nimbus]

Warrior reduces more damage and doesnt heal, DK doent reduce damage but heals

[undone sun]

yes

[runic parcel]

^ lol

[vocal nimbus]

Yes

[finite burrow]

What a surprise

[errant coral]

It's been a while since I have tanked in raids what are the main externals I can call for? All I can think of is ironbark lol

[vocal nimbus]

ironbark, pain supression, bop, sacrifice, disc bubble

[undone sun]

Ironbark, Pain sup, Guardian spirit, sacrifice, cocoon

[vocal nimbus]

lay of hands

[fathom field]

But you cant heal when you are stunned

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/RaidCDs

[fathom field]

Put that in your pawn string

[undone sun]

should display the necessary externals in raids

[vocal nimbus]

just drop it screw 🙃

[steel mauve]

i love tehr's raid cd weakaura, i used bloodlegions, ERT's, and ora, but i like the actual weakaura one the best, mad props to that guy

[runic parcel]

never ask for bop

[fathom field]

Show me your prot transmogs. Now.

[vocal nimbus]

BoP was mandatory in Imonar

🤷

[undone sun]

for bridge clearing sure

weren't actually tanking during it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal nimbus]

as long as it works /shrug

🤔 why it isnt working

[undone sun]

put it before the rest

it'll always shrug at the end

[vocal nimbus]

oh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque harness]

I am 336 ilvl and still have a 300 wep, 315 shield. I have done Arathi, I have done all reg mythics this week. I have done 3 different m+'s. Am I missing anything? Can I get a 1h wep from pvp? (I know i cant get a shield)

[strong hill]

@opaque harness yes you can get a one hander from pvp

[vocal nimbus]

^

You can spam heroics, m+ or pvp

[opaque harness]

cool cool, thank you

[vocal nimbus]

If you have the money you can buy stuff too

[opaque harness]

is the pvp thing like a weekly quest? or where would I find the quest on wowhead?

[fathom field]

Anyone enjoy dragon charging ppl in enclosed areas?

[vocal nimbus]

If you check the pvp menu you will find the info about the weekly caps and rewards

iLvL rewards at the end of an arena or for the weekly cap are based off your rating

[tawny perch]

would u use the 355 for prot?

[opaque harness]

alright awesome. thanks for he help!

skyhold helps me get through work everyday!

[errant coral]

Most definitely

[fathom field]

me? 355

[tawny perch]

kinda forgot crit adds to parry again

[strong hill]

@tawny perch yes because I only have 340s

[tawny perch]

Ye kinda had good luck with drops

[vocal nimbus]

I'd use the 355 too

[tawny perch]

first week 340 weapon n shield, jes howler 340

[errant coral]

What happens if you use immunities on fetish? Will he just smack the next nearest player?

[undone sun]

no

you're still the main target, just immunes it

[errant coral]

Sweet

That's useful to know

Anyone else have monks killing themselves with karma by the way? It's so annoying 😪

[cinder dirge]

Guys is it possible to spell reflect necrotic?

[final mist]

No.

[ashen shell]

Is there any caps you should try hit for secondary stats or just pure stack haste and vers?

[vocal nimbus]

No caps

[snow nest]

quick nav better than stalwart nav now?

[vocal nimbus]

yes

[snow nest]

word

[tender berry]

do we have any data on Laser Matrix i got the cheast from zul

[old dawn]

Got the Mythrax sword last night 👌

G'huun didn't drop my shield tho

😢

[mild vigil]

Are steelskin potions (900 armor for 25 seconds) worth it? My current armor is 6.9k, which reduces physical damage by 52%. Can it be used for big bursts when other cooldowns are unavailable, such as terrible thrashes?

[steel mauve]

general consensus are rage pots

[quiet relic]

Servent Spliter or resinating sim?

just got a spi,ter 350 witha socket

spliter vs a 345 resonating simitar

[opaque temple]

So i've been doing some mythics + (2~4). I feel really weak, can't stay alive for 1 sec on thrash without anything up. Is it just me (i'm 345) or anyone feel warr isnt thats great in mythic+?

[fathom field]

you doing pick up groups?

Im smashing most 2-5 keys with a deceny group

[opaque temple]

Yea pugs and sometimes with guildies

[fathom field]

im 348 and Its tougher because my shield sucks. Link your armory and the ppl here can help you

[cinder dirge]

Ok guys, i have now attempted a 8 Tol Dagor, 8 Sethralis & 7 King's rest as prot warrior

what the actual fuck is wrong with blizzard

[fathom field]

whats up

[sick sentinel]

?

[robust bronze]

Should u just go for ilvl on shield or do we care about stats on them?

[fathom field]

I dont feel weak in mythic or bgs. I'm tearing up random bgs

[sick sentinel]

Ilvl shield maximum meaning

[fathom field]

both but ilvl is better according to the guide

[sick sentinel]

Higher the better. Secondary stats not as important as the armor/block/primary you gain from it.

The shield is literally prot warrior specc, far as any other piece of gear concern.

[robust bronze]

cuz i just got a 360(mastery,vers) vs my 355(crit,vers) shield

[sick sentinel]

Night/day difference between consecutive ilvl increase increments for warrior centric around blocking.

360 flat out better.

Stats better too than crit/vers

[steep lily]

does ablative shielding stack?

[pulsar orchid]

hi i'm tired of 10 year dps queues

how trash is prot right now

and can i just slap on a shield and tank with arms gear

[rustic cypress]

prot is fine

and pretty much, yeah

[steel mauve]

kinda

[sick sentinel]

Btw a gem slot on a ring is worth more than 20 ilvls in stats, so a socketed 340 should be better than a nonsocketed 355 (same stats)

Just because there is no main start on rings

@tawny perch

[chilly brook]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

[sick sentinel]

Mythic 10 355 ? 🤔

[knotty ermine]

Came here to search for any tips to deal with Spectral Berserkers in higher KR keys because I'm annoyed with being so stressed. Searched "Berserkers." Glad I'm not alone, at least.

[pulsar orchid]

355 is cap

without titanforge

[chilly brook]

355 is cap for this week

[sick sentinel]

Lol equal to 355 oswains

[chilly brook]

And guess what

This is free

[pulsar orchid]

how well do prot compete

with other tanks in M+

[sick sentinel]

So was my oswains.

🙃

Oh i thought we could already get more

[chilly brook]

Then you're one lucky man

[knotty ermine]

@@pulsar orchid Bit of an open question there. You mean pure survivability, threat or dmg output, what they bring to the group, or what? All tanks are competitive ATM, with some having significant situational advantages (DKs in Kings Rest, for example)

[untold adder]

hey guys. any tips on tanking Mythrax? something i can do to ease the fight?

[rustic cypress]

https://tanknotes.tk/

this site has some great boss to boss info

[untold adder]

oh cool didn know that one ill check it out