Thought so
#protection
mortal pike
I guess we can hope for some tuning
Or maybe its another expansion of using Darkmoon Deck
ashen flower
guys would u wear 325 with deafening clash or 355 with shittyest trait ever?
grim prism
325 DC until i get an ilvl upgrade in another slot with DC on it
ashen flower
ait
grim prism
Hang onto that shitass 355
coarse pewter
hey guys, which nameplates would you recommend?
sick sentinel
Elvui got some nice nameplate
coarse pewter
yeah, but whenever I use them they enable that weird thing in the middle
which I don't need
it's like an extra bar with your health and rage
shell nova
and the stamina of a dk for example or DH is a joke with 350ilvl 200k has or more and my warrior with 353 154k
coarse pewter
on second, I need to login to see what it's called
sick sentinel
You can maybe change that in the options i guess
coarse pewter
it's called the personal resource display
and every time I use elvui nameplates, it turns it on
grim prism
Thats on by default in the stock UI
coarse pewter
I know
grim prism
ElvUI is probably just togglinng it back on
coarse pewter
but I can't turn it off with elvui
sick sentinel
I'm using an elvui profile made by someone so i don't know how to help
grim prism
Imo elvui causes more problems than it solves /shrug
coarse pewter
darn
grim prism
I hear lots of gripes about stuff like that
When I installed and uninstalled it last expac it fucked up all my scrolling combat text
sick sentinel
On wago try an elvui profile for tank
grim prism
I had to nuke my entire UI
sick sentinel
That's just a command to writz for the combat text iirc
I am back after fetid HC
I could take it like a fucking champ
the paladin tank died a lot though
God praise SB ?
and bolster
and demo shout/deafening crash
uneven mason
I just did my base math for Fetid
sick sentinel
and AM in general
uneven mason
looks like up until 2minutes 6 seconds its all kosher
think thats when I had to ask for externals
sick sentinel
No god praising IP tho 👀
sick sentinel
Oh ?
IP was there for me during tough times
Thought it would be negligible at higher lvl
vocal nimbus
It kinda scales
sick sentinel
Nah sb use rage buddy 😡
sorry fixed it
Np haha was jk
I'm new to tanking. Do I just hit all my buttons and hope that I don't die?
sick sentinel
No you'll die
uneven mason
if you want that, VDH is for you!
sick sentinel
Or dk
uneven mason
DKs you have to manage runic power
or you'll die
I know, its a change from Legion
sick sentinel
Eh
uneven mason
Monks are pretty autopilot
sick sentinel
Thought it was the same shit
uneven mason
but @sick sentinel I suggest checking the pins up top
sick sentinel
Aren't monk totally op for progress btw ?
uneven mason
reading the icy veins guide
sick sentinel
Thanks
uneven mason
They're not OP
they're just more forgiving
like, you can goof on a monk and not die
a warrior you're just going to explode
uneven mason
Don't hit revenge if you're being trucked (hit IP instead)
sick sentinel
Or sb
sick sentinel
Rage wise i mean
If you're getting super truckes
D
The healers I ran with always complain I take too much damage lol
Discopriest ?
Maybe I'm not using sb enough
Yeah always have a charge on CD
It's smooth the damage a lot
Don't use it when you're not taking damage 😡
Don't SB and Last stand bolster togethef
R
merry cave
Lol method doing heroic, entire raid is leather except for a sham and a lock
Oh nvm there's a priest and pally too!!
merry cave
Nah they stacking armour types for loot like crazy
sick sentinel
Oh right
merry cave
And using scrolls
sick sentinel
But they can't give if high ilvl right ?
uneven mason
They're running each raid as an armor type, and they've been stacking armor types in M+ runs
"Split raiding is dead" Method is all like "TEH FUCK YOU SAY"
Also, Monks are insanely powerful right now, so no reason not to stack leather
uneven mason
getting rid of master looter was so they could have unique weapon types still on loot tables
vocal nimbus
I went with monk this tier
jade socket
wut
uneven mason
like warglaives and int 2h swords/maces
jade socket
🤦
uneven mason
(not that we've seen int 2h sword/mace yet)
vocal nimbus
Would insta change to warrior if they changed IP
They got rid of master loot in a bad attempt to stop split raiding and overgearong
frosty wedge
There's a shammy heale rin method's raid too, lol
uneven mason
SLT - best raid healing CD
vocal nimbus
Link totem is link totem
uneven mason
Nothing even comes close
because it basically allows your entire raid to lean on the classes that have strong personals
jade socket
🤔
merry cave
Slt still has crazy synergy with darkness as well doesn't it
uneven mason
it has synergy with anything that reduces damage
crude hound
Is it possible to block the terrible thrash as offtank?
Or can only the main tank do it
vocal nimbus
You can block as both roles
Terrible thrash hits the closest player to the main tank (obviously the offtank has to be the closest player)
grim prism
I thought it was established that Thrash cannot be blocked by the offtank?
vocal nimbus
vocal nimbus
@crude hound Thrash will only hit the offtank, and this spell can be blocked
As main tank you will be only tanking auto attacks
Which can also be blocked
steady dock
Hey everyone. So how can you figure out whether a spell is blockable? You just try it or there's another way?
vocal nimbus
Yes
You can also find a blockable/reflectable list already tested
Its pinned
Blockable Spell List: by @ Sense https://goo.gl/9oXvRK
crude hound
alright ty soulwalker
dense anchor
Any tips on increasing my DPS? it seems i'm using every GCD available, but using GCDs for IP and rage for shield block is hurting my DPS.
grim prism
Why are you worried about DPS?
Also we are just comparatively weak on single target. Pull more to hit harder
dense anchor
cuz i think i've mastered the defensive part. but i would like to increase my dps
for the 0-1% wipes
vocal nimbus
Warr's ST is pretty low to begin with
Incresing the dps would mean using SB offensively, which you wouldnt want to do through prigress
grim prism
Yeah theres really not much you can do aside from spending rage on rev instead of IP (which is only like 50% more damage than devastate)
uneven mason
5%~
grim prism
Honestly if you are staying alive and the group is having 0% wipes
sick sentinel
I just had a brutal time in 3 different 2+ AltaDazar. I mark the big golem at the top of the stairs headed to priestess and It just seems to go horribly wrong. The aoe kills everyone and I don’t have a good way to move the caster out of his bubble. But I have cleared the dungeon each week on mythic I feel like it shouldn’t be this hard
grim prism
Its not your problem to fix
uneven mason
So like
vocal nimbus
I prefer the right side tobit
grim prism
@sick sentinel are they kicking wildfire? Also yeah standing in fire is bad
uneven mason
If your group is charging up and not giving you time to pull/position
find better groups
grim prism
The right side gives me an aneurysm
uneven mason
Most of these dungeons
grim prism
What do you find easier about it
vocal nimbus
You only have 2 pulls in the right side
uneven mason
arnt they barf zobos
grim prism
There are two totem pulls, a pat, and some hidden adds
uneven mason
like
grim prism
Not to mention that gnarly AoE
sick sentinel
So with the golem pack- would you pull him down the stairs and LoS? But then you gotta clear the other golem pack
grim prism
Hey man if it works for you it works for you
Can I borrow some of your competent DPS?
I dont know any
uneven mason
^^^^
vocal nimbus
You are na so no
signal plover
Kill the confessor then the augur imo
sick sentinel
I want to farm the shield from undead Dino boi
grim prism
I know some but they are no-lifing raids
uneven mason
mmhmm
vocal nimbus
Isnt the dangerous part about left side the bubble?
sick sentinel
I also had a healer yelling at me about the adds charging him.
Pug life is rough. All for a shield
uneven mason
"The add charged me!!!" - that is their mechanic
signal plover
U can kick mantle(that is the bubble) on the confessor, then stun the augur fire spin with shockwave
sick sentinel
Yes it is
signal plover
They should die before it's an issue again
sick sentinel
There’s just so much to kick in those pulls. It seems rough with a pug group
signal plover
Everything I described you can do by yourself
gleaming viper
!traits
signal plover
vocal nimbus
Check the pins
sick sentinel
Well it sounds like I shouldn’t be focusing the golem then. Hmm.
So focus the confessor and perhaps my life improves?
signal plover
The augur too
uneven mason
dramatically
signal plover
If a confessor gets a bubble off tho it's much jarder
uneven mason
You have a mouseover pummel macro right?
sick sentinel
I was mistakenly worried about him buffing up
uneven mason
or a focus macro
signal plover
I mean that's an issue on high fortified but in a +2 it's minor
Don't get baited by the confessors earlier casts either
sick sentinel
2+ is feeling like high fortified LUL
gleaming viper
any one have good resource for prot azerite trait sims? WoWhead and icyveins seem incomplete or outdated
vocal nimbus
They are not incomplete
signal plover
Nor outdated
uneven mason
high quality infact
sick sentinel
thanks everyone. I’m trying to get my play up to par. Keys have felt rough
signal plover
Meh, less than 4 hours .. basically a speed clear
sick sentinel
Speed clear WutFace
shut summit
👀
uneven mason
"Keep throwing ourselves at this trash eventually we'll get lucky enough and avoid every swing and kite it untill it dies
sick sentinel
10 hours dang
uneven mason
explains everything
grim prism
Like I have to think someone took a nap, or had to drive their kid to the hospital mid-pull or something
sick sentinel
or everyone took a dinner break
vocal nimbus
lunch and dinner break?
grim prism
They all went to work and came back
Memes aside, theyd have gotten booted for inactivity, so they legitimately mustve just rammed their head into the wall for ten hours
Can you imagine wiping on the same trashpack over and over and over and over like it's a raid boss
violet coral
i have to do a 12 tonight, my angus is peppered
raven kernel
get more red bull
prisma crane
explains that monk's name
strong hill
sweet jesus 10 hours,
vocal nimbus
You cant be flaged for inactivity if you leave the character in autorun against a corner
upper spoke
W/ Avatar & Demo shout active, is TC basically priority 1 (even against single target?)
Oh. And w/ deafening crash
w/ avatar and deafening crash, thunderclapping on cd i can keep demo shout up until there are about 33 seconds left on my next avatar cooldown
toxic scroll
What you on about
weary notch
Group size scaling on Fetid Devourer's Terrible Thrash reduced by 33% in all difficulties.
brisk flax
Crystalline Carapace stacks or no?
weary notch
Enemy Forces requirement in The MOTHERLODE reduced by 10%.
magic sonnet
My prot warrior is taking so much dmg , i think i'm doing everything fine , but idk why , im tanking so much damage (especially against M+ mobs) can someone help me ?
gleaming viper
@uneven mason IV azerite guide is not up to date it doesnt even list half the middle tier traits
plain ice
do you have logs @magic sonnet
magic sonnet
I don't think so...
fathom field
I think alliance bgs are worse than pugs as a tank. But just barely.
hoary pumice
i dont have logs. i just started tanking too, so i never wanted to ask... but i feel the same way junKo does. i feel like im getting wrecked and all i'm trying to do is keep IP+SB+DS going while using my rage-generating abilities when im supposed to.
i think im just bad at tanking, since i just started it, and i have nfc what im supposed to properly do lol
steel mauve
mmo-c front page
red oyster
Stack bloodsport or Iron Fortress?
red oyster
Bloodsport isnt that bad, but the equips have a nice 3rd tier, its a 10k heal every 6 seconds. IF gets a 28k shield every 30 seconds
grim prism
@arctic pulsar shammies have gud aoe heals and utility tho
Its better than bringing a shammy dps lolol
arctic pulsar
shammy healers suck with preot
hoary pumice
does SB overcap to an extent like IP does?
chrome falcon
Using SB while SB is up will add 6 seconds to the duration, yes
hoary pumice
a full 6? so double-casting it will give you 12? or is it like IP where you cant completely 2x it
weary notch
yes, a full 6
hoary pumice
thanks!
rocky plank
Should I choose Laser Matrix (Uldir Traits) or Reinforced Plating for the outmost ring of my Azerite Helm ? cant find a guide that compares Zone Traits with Role traits
ashen trellis
Uldir parses for all tanks. was the Same for Antorus too
lapis pasture
@hoary pumice @magic sonnet I feel the same way I tried doing a mythic 5 the other day and I just couldn't tank the trash mobs damage the only thing you can really do is get in there and survive long enough to grab decent aggro then leap the fuck away
ashen trellis
This is antorus
real rover
I made +6 with my 348 warrior tank without any problems at all..
ashen trellis
wtb something that will change this 😦
lapis pasture
Maybe I just didn't have a good healer then 🤷
real rover
or you need to improve on your cd usage & positioning
alot of folks are failing on that
lapis pasture
I've been playing a long time bud it isn't my first rodeo
real rover
my healer is essentially dpsing half the dungeon.
lapis pasture
I know the cds I need to use and the appropriate timing just something's hurt like hell
real rover
I mean prot needs a buff, but it's nowhere near as bad as you are making it
lapis pasture
If they are getting crushed by trash you don't think they should try kiting?
real rover
I didn't die a single time in >20 +5 mythics to trash
so I think that's not an issue at all.
lapis pasture
Which mythic was it?
real rover
all of them.
I died twice in shrine of the storms because I was too retarded to properly position myself
that exludes bosses obv.
lapis pasture
Only time I take an absurd amount of damage is certain trash on king's rest but all tank gets smacked by those bleeds
Gotta kite xd
real rover
apart from that, I can only say - positioning, cd usages, asking for externals, CC and correct interrupts - all of that combined will determine whether you will go out with 0 deaths out of a +5 or 10 +
and don't forget spell reflect
that shit is ridicoulus op in some dungeons
lapis pasture
Yeah especially in waycrest
real rover
Kings Rest Debuff is Kiting all the time
lapis pasture
The two witches that give you a 15% damage increase can be reflected its lit
lapis pasture
3 is serious ouchies
real rover
and that's why you failed if you get 3
lapis pasture
I do fine on kings rest
The +5 I had trouble with was sethralis
Or however you spell it
lapis pasture
The trash before 2nd boss like in the room where the 2nd boss spawns
But fuck boys weren't interrupting
Not really my fault
real rover
that was the snake right?
real rover
well your dps obviously have to interrupt the heals
and use your stun on lightning in a bottle
then it's essentially tank n spank
lapis pasture
The kept hitting the first boss with the electric shield REEEEEE
lapis pasture
I like prot I just think it could have some quality of life touch ups
toxic scroll
Its not braindead tank
real rover
I'd be totally fine if we'd get a small IP buff and the rage victory rush baseline..
real rover
because we get a selfheal that's the shittiest version possible?
toxic scroll
All I want is IP off global
lapis pasture
I don't necessarily want IP to be overpowered because I like needing to rotate all my cds but would still like a little love tap
Yes
Take it off global
real rover
I don't even mind it on the global anymore
lapis pasture
Just because you've become accustomed to the shitty gcd doesn't mean its the right way
Obviously Im over nothing is gonna change and I have to accept it
But I can still pray dammit
real rover
It occured to me maybe 2-3 times in whole uldir hc where I wanted it to be off gcd
lapis pasture
I barely used it in uldir honestly
real rover
there's a lot of magic only phases
lapis pasture
Except for magic stuff
Obv
I haven't full cleared yet I can't find a guild </3 haven't been looking hard so I can't be too sad
Only cleared 5/8 norm and then the first 2 on heroic
Haven't tried Zul yet
real rover
so you essentially didn't try anything which is a challenge? OsSloth
lapis pasture
No pugs on Zul m8
That I could find anyway after a point I gave up and started doing mythic +
toxic scroll
Imo flow was alot better with ip off global
toxic scroll
Well in general
lapis pasture
Anything that makes you wait before using an ability ruins the flow
real rover
like all the abilities in the game?
lapis pasture
If it wasn't already clear Im pretty annoyed by the gcd changes
real rover
best advice I can give you
accept it - if the state of your mind changes, you will perform better.
doesnt mean you cannot out cry bout it
lapis pasture
Already have
toxic scroll
Yeah
real rover
also
lapis pasture
Wish we had something off gcd that's spammable like my guardian druid's ironfur
burnt iron
Would i be able to go prot and tank keystones 5+ with 2x dps trinkets? I have fathoms, gore-crusted, emblem of zand, rezans etc to choose from
lapis pasture
Actually that'd be boring af
real rover
May I ask which 3 azerite traits you have in the outer and middle ring?
lapis pasture
Probably why I don't play my druid is because how fucking boring the are
real rover
emblem of zandalar & rezans is actually one of the strongest prot trinkets @burnt iron ..
toxic scroll
Prot is more about gameplay than gear
burnt iron
Nice so should just be able to use both of them and go prot for m+ spam, its so hard to get into groups as a dps warrior atm
lapis pasture
Im not home so I can't tell you exactly what I have i know my helm has the one they extends DS with thunderclap
real rover
you can just tell me your name n server and Ill look it up^^
lapis pasture
Let me figure out its accented letters lmao
real rover
lol.
toxic scroll
YiekS
real rover
stormreaver is an NA server isn't it?
arctic pulsar
whats easiest m+ for prot
real rover
freehold imo
lapis pasture
Im at work ill see if I can find it with my shitty ass phone
fair root
use the wow app and pull it from there
real rover
Fantasy fitting names are a gods blessing 😅
real rover
is there a question missing?
arctic pulsar
is AM best talent for m+
digital arrow
i think tol dagor is the easiest for prot because freehold launches u everywhere and has so many patrols and extra groups standing around
shut summit
@arctic pulsar yes
real rover
Into the fray, Bounding Stride, Unstoppable Force, Bolster, Rumbling Earth, Booming Voice, Anger Management imho
tol dagor is a pain in the ass in m5.
freehold is just a matter of knowing the patrol paths
real rover
tol dagor is even the worst dungeon by far in bfa if I am honest.
coarse pewter
idk, I got cancer in siege with sanguine
lapis pasture
Did a +4 tol dagor the other day make sure you bring buddies that aren't idiots
real rover
siege has plenty of space?
we even did the second boss in siege without a healer because he didn't enter before the door closed lol
lapis pasture
Took like 40minutes damage wasn't bad at all but people just sucked dick at the 3rd and fourth boss mechanics
coarse pewter
the boss is a really easy, don't get me wrong
but there are some mobs that just refuse to leave the puddles
and there's no place to los them
real rover
you gotta have to start kiting when a mob hits 5-8% hp
lapis pasture
Make sure you bring a dk or druid
real rover
and try to stunlock the mob whose about to die
coarse pewter
and then there's that part after the second boss with the narrow alleys
lapis pasture
Grip or typhoon
real rover
you have about 1-2 seconds to reposition yourself before the blood will affect the living mobs.
thats when your pummel has to be up.
coarse pewter
mind you, it was mostly a pub and the DPS was less than organized
lapis pasture
Pug groups can be nightmares
real rover
then you have the reason why it was a nightmare
lapis pasture
Ill typically start moving to the next group of adds when my current ones are around 25ish% so they have to move to hit me
Also gets a good pace going
lapis pasture
Little bit
real rover
it'll all depend on your group anyways
I didn't do a single pug dungeon this addon till now.
lapis pasture
Its not so bad if you don't have potatoes in your group
But typically that is the case unfortunately
real rover
I'd rather go herb farming than running with less than 3 mates I regularly play with tbh
oh random side fact
lapis pasture
When I move on i don't just sit there and fight the adds though ill go and use DS SB and IP if I can get a good couple thunderclaps on top of shockwave then leap away so Im not constantly needing the healer and dps have time to catch up
real rover
I never go with less buffs in m+ than all of them but augment runes & potions
maybe that might be a factor as well
lapis pasture
Obviously isn't super effective if the pack is magic reliant
Unless good los points but I can't think of many in siege
bleak breach
Insane how powerful into the fray is now
broken kite
100% mandatory
bleak breach
I didn’t even realise it had been changed so was using the shield slam one on single target, took the change and my numbers went up dramatically and obviously survivability
real rover
punish is still better on some encounters.
fathom field
anyone do pvp as a prot?
clear sapphire
fathom field
I'm doing well on randoms but I dont think alliance is good at rateds
Got to 6 mil on a few elite bgs. Led in killing blows on the brawl a few times.
I put the alliance banner in the flag room and camp it :)
Dragonroar just confuses the shit out of people
bleak breach
Random bgs are a lot more on skill level than class
bleak breach
Arena and rbgs will be interesting, we have a great pvp toolkit for a 3/5 team I wouldn’t imagine we could go 2200 in 2s neither can any tank really though.
Rbgs there is always spots for a tank and we have massive mobility if specced correctly so we seem well off.
fathom field
3s have been fun. I'm not the best but ppl dont know what to do when you protect the healer
they still melee the healer and have to eat through both our hps
bleak breach
Yeah, you can simply run demo shout, bodyguard and spell reflect and protect the group, then take a nuker. Works well.
fathom field
Nobody attacks you so you just protect get stunned...demo shout stun
Its be funny as shit to do a random bg with 4 ports running dragon roar
just knock them out if the way if the flag carrier
I'd like to see a vet prot player in a bg
bleak breach
I really like how we have shockwave and then can take another stun now
fathom field
2 stuns and a fear
bleak breach
The fear is op
fathom field
last 3v3 they grouped up and I shockwaves the fuck out them lawl
bleak breach
Can blow out their trinks/cds in 1burst if required
lucid kelp
So I have a stupid question
What stat increases the Amount of % that Block stops?
is it just shield block value?
lucid kelp
I need better azerite traits on my chest.
fathom field
mastery
Mastery ( Mastery: Critical Block) increases your chance to block, your chance to critically block, and your Attack Power. Not only does it increase your overall damage reduction, the increased attack power also increases the size of your  Ignore Pain.
earnest zinc
Anyone know if tuning changes will help us?
fathom field
Dunno
jovial reef
they should but i doubt there'll be any tank changes
fathom field
Funny story. just queued against double rogue with BM hunter prot and we wrecked them
had protect on hunter and my aoe and pets melted the rogues
Imagine two rogues beating on a guy you have protected while you have shield wall up. frustrated as hell
fathom field
yup
sick sentinel
ATC revival
fathom field
Melee just looks frustrated trying to do anything
sick sentinel
good mongoloid cleave stopper.
fathom field
Does anyone play on stormrage?
reef fulcrum
Protection is really strong. A bit clumsy rotation but you get used to it. 🤔
south bison
We talking pvp here?
south bison
Yeah i just don't know if I'd say really strong
sick sentinel
and best shield can get in both cases pvp/pve
south bison
viable and fun yeah
reef fulcrum
PvE. I've tanked uldir without any issues
south bison
Uldir i haven't done yet
sick sentinel
prot is support class in all aspects for pvp. not necessarily killer carrier.
like arms is.
sick sentinel
Yeah, kinda expect it. LoW and/or blade storm/deep wounds mastery
real rover
No prot buffs for Wednesday so I guess blizz feels like they are fine 👀
reef fulcrum
All I want is a buff to prot warrs so that people change their mind about them 🙄
sick sentinel
prots fine.
and you cant really fix that with buffs, unless made into FOTM that sco will jump dick for them like he has for monks/DH to speak about them
Slootbag speaks well of them, but no one cares. 😦
chilly brook
When Sloot is a good tank but no one really knows him 😑
south bison
i don't see them taking IP off the gcd
south bison
it'd just give us more survivability outside of demo shout/avatar
chilly brook
I wouldn’t mind Demo being off gcd
chilly brook
And tbh the best change they could make for warriors imo is adding more absorb cap to IP
Because it’s gone in less than 2 seconds in heroic
rich robin
This. ^
chilly brook
And rage really is the least of our issues imo
south bison
would it be too crazy for it to last the full duration
chilly brook
Probably
weak talon
I'd rather see IP become a more meaningful spell and rage gen buffed a little for ST
south bison
or maybe if IP gets broken early you get some additional rage?
weak talon
On AOE you have alot
chilly brook
Even in single target 🤔
south bison
yes there's times where rage is totally fine
chilly brook
You just need proper rage management
south bison
wouldn't say it's our #1 problem or anything
just that it's a potential tweak to give IP a little extra pep
chilly brook
For the most part of they buff our ST rage generation I just see a lot of wasted rage
weak talon
IP just needs to be a bigger shield (not more %DR) and a larger cap on the shield imo. RN it feels really underwhelming to use
chilly brook
I’m not exactly struggling for rage for defensive abilities and you shouldn’t really use revenge without a proc in ST anyways not at this gear level
mossy dew
@weak talon gili agree and it needs to scale better so we are good for progression.
weak talon
It can run out before the global even rotates over to the next right now which just kinda sucks
south bison
so my bad
chilly brook
What I’m asking is what would a rage buff in ST accomplish?
hushed cobalt
Unstoppable force > revenge served cold
But in m+, is this still true?
south bison
a general rage buff would allow us to spam IP more for magic heavy fights
that's about it and I don't think that would be a big impact
chilly brook
With what globals?
rich robin
Quick question. Bleeds. Is IP the only way to mitigate them?
chilly brook
That’d practically be a useless change without actually buffing IP since your IP is gone in a second anyways
So if you leave it as is you’d need to basically make 1-2 globals generate the rage needed to Ip
It’s a self defeating idea
Doesn’t end up solving the problem
And I’m not even worried about magic damage rn tbh we’re literally sitting pretty in second place for magic damage
weak talon
You have demo and SR for dealing with magic and its really good at doing so
chilly brook
Heroic Uldir literally makes me want to run 2 bloodsport
weak talon
IP just needs to last longer than half a global in raids
winged elm
hmmmmm 340 rezans or 350 jes's howler
sick sentinel
jes howler.
chilly brook
Prolly Jes
dusky sentinel
Why are ppl whining about prot warriors while I see other channels talking about that prot war is one of the upper classes? Im confused
reef fulcrum
I honestly think prot is strong and viable, it has some issues though
red peak
Hey guys! I am wondering about stats.
To start with, why is Str the WORST stat in the lists I have seen on Icy Veins and Wowhead? Shouldn't that be the main and prioritized stat? :)
Secondly, I received the Jes Howler trinket 350 warforged and I currently use bloackades 355 and Vial of Animated Blood 355 Titanforged with a +40 haste gem. My initial thought was to instantly change the Howler tirnket for the Animated Blood one untill I saw that Strength wasnt as good as haste.
What's your opinions? What's the correct choice? 😃
sick sentinel
str above all else
people were using blockades+fathoms without even needing the fathoms proc
just because they both give flat str
red peak
Allright. But why is it ranked in the bottom on the lists I mentioned? Aren't the authors from method on icy veins?
sick sentinel
I do not know who runs the prot guides but I know that archimtiros from this discord writes the fury guides
but everywhere I asked they stay that str is king
and I have actually noticed that myself
I try to get pieces with haste or versa (ideally both) but otherwise, I wear the highest ilvl
and I could tank fetid devourers HC hits like a champ
charred thunder
Quick question on prot in mythics. I’m largely fine every other pull thanks to demo/avatar, but this leaves me fragile af for the even pulls while CDs are going. My monk, comparatively geared is savage and made out of steel vs my steel to paper to steel to paper.
Is there something I should be doing to mitigate more between avatar CDs?
sick sentinel
I am fine by just using SB
and if you are using anger management you have most of your CDs every pull
random finch
Don’t be afraid to use last stand with bolster it comes back up really quick and don’t do what I did and use sb while using last stand
charred thunder
My group’s dps is pretty high, I find that we’re chunking through pulls way faster than I can regent the cds. I should definitely get more liberal with last stand. That’s a good idea.
random finch
@sick sentinel str is king cause str gives armour
sick sentinel
depends on your haste you had SB 3 times then bolster and then SB again 3 times
dusk hill
I guess it feels shitty using cooldowns as normal tanking, when you're used to them being "oh shit something went wrong" buttons.
sick sentinel
if you do not have enough haste even 2 SB works
random finch
I can normally get 3 sb then a bolster that’ll get you both charges back then another 3 sb
Using cds is what we do you pretty much keep rolling cds and a.m. gets them back for you
sick sentinel
I have 1 sec of downtime between my second sb and my 3rd
I never stop in a mythic unless my healer tells me to stop for mana after a huge pull
and the only times I do not have anything is if I fatfinger and press 2 at the same time
random finch
I often find myself using commanding shout for myself more then the group
steel mauve
armor str and stam budgets + all our secondaries being close togather is why ilvl is a priority on armor gear, not exactly just the strength, and you still use haste gems over strength gems
jes howler is pretty much bis outside of a fathoms for dps purposes
random finch
I reckon razens is better that haste proc with pure str
red peak
@sick sentinel Do you kite in m+? As you just keep going you say, do you pull several packs and kite them or do you pull one by one?
sick sentinel
and bleed everything deep wounds.
and also, mobs try to get on your sides
you you have to walk back to have them in front of you
so you can parry/block etc
red peak
You dont find it hard keeping aggro on large packs when kite:ing?
slim vortex
So 360 crit/vers shield vs 355 haste/mastery with socket? 360 wins, right?
random finch
360
sick sentinel
check the block rating
random finch
If your gonna kite get deep wounds on them first and you won’t have much trouble spam heroic throw
red peak
Ah cool. 😃
dark junco
is Azerite veins worth giving up on BfI and grabbing like bloodsport ?
steel mauve
with how close our secondaires are, you can gain more versa with jes howler than rezans haste gives you, som thats some thing to consider
random finch
I prefer more haste that’s just me
slim vortex
@random finch it's 132 more block rating if you are curious.
dark junco
Without any procs and just ITF, I get 42% haste
But when you get that high haste, you get to have to spam devastate again
which, tbh, sucks lol
charred thunder
Mmm devastate spam
random finch
@slim vortex which one the 360?
steel mauve
the socket makes that choice questionable honestly, because thats 40 more haste
slim vortex
The crit/vers one.
dark junco
40 haste wont replace 132 block rating
charred thunder
^^
slim vortex
That's my thinking too. I just wanted second opinions 😃
sick sentinel
shield is god based on ilvl, regardless of stats, unless same ilvl.
I don't have to spam devastate because I do not have devastate on my bars
sick sentinel
devastator for life ( in M+ )
charred thunder
Bold!
dark junco
BV is better even then
random finch
I’m easy and I like the increase damage so I take booming voice always
Especially in m+
charred thunder
I haven’t tried devastator yet, I’m terrified of the loss of instant rage need, though in m+ I’m often flooded
random finch
Plus between the 20% increase damage to tc and revenge is wayyyy better then more procs of ss during aoe pulls
random finch
No want when I do cause holy shit with avatar up and demo shout 2 sec CD tc and a fuck load of damage % increase tc hitting very hard
sick sentinel
I still outdps on overall dps in m+
I do not have the GCDs to use devastate anyway
20k+ easy tclap each
random finch
I don’t find my self using devastate that much anyways only on boss fights mostly and that like what 10% of a dungeon
sick sentinel
I used to play with devastator and vengeful
and now they are at the same tier
and the "correct" choice is to use none of them
btw between the wipes on HC fetid I swapped TO devastator and I was feeling tankier
random finch
You can use devastator there’s nothing wrong with it you just won’t get the 20% increase from demo
sick sentinel
maybe I am just bad with booming
random finch
Well booming prompts you to play more offensive
@sick sentinel have you got a thundering clap azerite trait
sick sentinel
I play deafening crash and double the shield slam trait
random finch
Sorry yer deafening crash my bad
charred thunder
Deafening crash is bonkers
sick sentinel
with avatar and bl you can keep it enough to recast it
and AM ofc
logged off as fury but still, realm best on prot warrs 😄
and 9th of all warrs
forest fern
Hotfixes 7/2018
Fetid Devourer
Terrible Thrash damage should now be consistent based on raid size.
Hmm so is this why it was wrecking us so much...?
past ledge
Hey guys, how much HP and IL u guys have?
im at 350IL and 163k i feel pretty low compared to other tanks
forest fern
that big board you're carrying in front of you is the extra effective health instead of your "green" bar showing it 😃
sick sentinel
critically blocking a terrible thrash with IP feels so good
your HP bar does not even move
forest fern
yep, but then you hit a gap without shield block...
and your butthole doesn't feel good 😃
twin eagle
Is a socket still worth about 5 ilvls?
ember arrow
oh well, nerfedas always in wow
sick sentinel
depends where is the socket
twin eagle
Boots
sick sentinel
a socket on a ring is worth 20 ilvls
twin eagle
I have a 340 boots crit > master + socket
steel mauve
how does the tank combo work for zek'voz?
twin eagle
and 345 boots vers > mastery no socket
past ledge
i think switch after every Void lash
sick sentinel
I would take versa mastery over crit mastery any day
past ledge
Whats ur haste at guys ?
sick sentinel
depends on the melee of the group 😉
your goal is to have haste on every piece of gear
astral crystal
EU
past ledge
yes
reef fulcrum
8 is enough
static pilot
Does anyone know if there another class balance patch otw or is this it till 8.1?
sick sentinel
there will be one before mythic release
you can check wowhead some specs already nerfed or buffed including traits
static pilot
Reading it now, thanks :)
sick sentinel
There was a class post 20 mins ago
Nvm it is only for bm hunters and arms and only for pvp
rogues got nerfed aswell
pve nerfs
Holy palas were buffed in general
Disc priests nerfs
Made my gm angry because he dropped his holy pala to play disc lol
dark junco
Was hoping for a boost to warrior, but nope
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9e00lq/class_tuning_september_11_world_of_warcraft_forums
Ie: Optimizability’s post
dark junco
Well according to the data from uldir, in which we’re the most dying tank even though we have the least representation, and the upvotes from reddit, it seems like the empirical data doesn’t back your claim.
Even if the fix isn’t in actual numbers but is in perception, we still need something
Reminds me of the whole brewmaster situation in legion
Maybe having azerite veins sloted in all slot will be overall better than having, say BfI
coarse pewter
where is that data from?
coarse pewter
yeet
sick sentinel
I want azerite veins but the outer rings traits are shit
I want it so I can do my islands in peace
undone sun
it's also important to look at how many parses there are compared to each other
dark junco
But I don’t think we’re trashtier, we just need a few fixes, or maybe Azerite veins is really more important than we think
astral crystal
mythrax is pretty rough
dark junco
Yeah thats what I said, we have no representation, and the one we have are trash (overall)
Will try to farm for AV and see how it feels. Hopefully it does stacks
undone sun
yes they do
dark junco
Would you say AV > BFI?
undone sun
probably not
dark junco
Then what would you aim for to close the gap that we seems to be having?
Just wanna make sure I squeeze the most outta prot and look up to par
supple path
Hrm, 340 shield with haste/mastery/avoidance vs 350 shield with crit/mastery, thoughts?
supple path
Figured, thanks.
supple path
I do love me my avoidance, but so situational.
dark junco
(But > 5ilvl even if you lose a socket = upgrade)
Avoidance is nice, but mainly while offtanking, standing in shit
supple path
Yeah, the list of "unavoidable threatening abilities that qualify as AE but hit tanks" ain't high.
dark junco
Anymore
supple path
Now that we live in the grand world of "move 3 feet to the side while it casts" yeah.
dark junco
Antorus= Home of avoidance cap please
Them scythes lol
Aggramar
Dogs
Like all bosses even
Can’t think of a single boss that didn’t have a mechanic affected by avoidance
dull pilot
mage told me if geting aggro and runing away = tank that means hes a tank unsure what he wanted me to do with 15 stacks of Necrotic
sick sentinel
he prolly just wanted you to kys.
dull pilot
kys ?
dull pilot
a
signal plover
Necrotic is a tough affix with the threat changes
supple path
Feels like there's certain packs you NEED avatar for so that you can lock threat before fleeing time.
dull pilot
on the frist week of + its hard dont have the hp pool
only 347
ilvl
+7 was not fun
crude summit
i know prot is alittle clunky right now but overall how has it been for you guys?
sick sentinel
For me, @crude summit , as long as you follow the priority in the guide- it’s fine. My haste is 16% unbuffed now and the clunkiness is starting to feel a lot better
I also finally got a mythic dungeon shield tonight and it made such a big difference. The only time I struggle is when there’s no where for me to Los pull casters. I’m more dependent on group CC than I have been on my DH
But overall I feel so dang satisfied when I play well on warrior
crude summit
ok i have been jumping back and forth between my prot warrior and pally cant really seem to stick to one
sick sentinel
Oh I went Mag’har and have never looked back
weary notch
when do you get second affix? lvl 7?
crude summit
shield**
chilly brook
@crude summit doesn’t feel clunky at all to me tbh
Outside of demo being on gcd
And avatar but you adjust to it
Everything else feels fine
crude summit
ok i mean im still lvling so i figured it would die down at some point
weary python
Seriously, what does a prot warrior bring to the table right now?
dull pilot
been playing prot since the start not enjoying it atm
weary python
I have less health that equal ilevel other tanks, I feel paper thin. I have to decide whether I want to survive or hold agro on initial pull.
It's just straight ass to play right now.
weary notch
if you're having aggro problems you're not running the recommended setup or your doing something very wrong
woeful reef
Prot certainly has had better days, that's for sure.
tiny rapids
Yeah, but it's not doom and gloom as everyone say. Ilvl, gear up
woeful reef
I get a kick out of this statistic, even though it doesn't necessarily mean much. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#class=Tanks&metric=deaths
It shows that Prot is by far the lowest represented by population, and they die the most per %
dull pilot
but is it fun
weary python
I'm 346, and +5's are fucking awful to tank.
dull pilot
for me not as much as it use to be
woeful reef
I don't think anyone can argue that. They are full of themselves if they disagree with you imo Riderr.
It doesn't have great flow right now like it used to
weary python
good boy
weary notch
this is an especially bad week of affixes for prot. It's hard for us to pull casters out of sanguine. Necrotic always sucks
dull pilot
yes yes yes if u play just right and use cds just right u can do it but other tanks have more room for error and enjoy ther play more
woeful reef
Necrotic is in theory where we are supposed to shine. Mitigation over self heals.
weary notch
I don't. I don't like the playstyle on pally, dh, monk and especially guardian. DK isn't awful
tiny rapids
Not arguing against that. We could be better, yes. I think the only dg I avoid all costs is king's rest
inland silo
why avoid it
weary notch
and I greatly prefer prot's playstyle now to legion. GREATLY. I won't argue that we could use a tad more utility. Wouldn't mind a silence on Heroic Throw every 15 seconds or something like that
tiny rapids
I am ashamed to admit zul eats my...
weary python
I'd love to know how you are taking no damage when I'm getting smashed.
no damage might be a bit of hyperbole
dull pilot
got to say i have been playing warrior a long long time and this right now is the lest i have enjoyed it http://prntscr.com/krympc
inland silo
using SB and last stand correctly you have insane SB uptime
when SBs down you get smashed
woeful reef
There will still be gaps though, and you get wrecked in those gaps
inland silo
with it up you're god
plain vapor
tiny rapids
Exactly, Bolster makes LS act as Sb
weary notch
45 seconds of SB uptime. Then externals
tiny rapids
For 15s or 20s I forgot
woeful reef
15
tiny rapids
It's too damn long mitigation
inland silo
if anything lives long enough to get through that
tiny rapids
It's great.
woeful reef
if you'
if you're pushing high keys you arent clearing trash in 45s
But you can kite and such
tiny rapids
Look, in reality most of us are having trouble with gear, low haste and low mast/versa
woeful reef
What are you guys at for haste anyway? I'm at 15% with 0 stacks, 30% with 5
woeful reef
That's pretty good for this early into the xpac
And losing 3 gear slots with potential haste
tiny rapids
I logout as arms, I retard.
raven kernel
i got pretty decent gear
could be even higher
got no haste on gloves legs boots shield
tiny rapids
I am still trying to decide versa or mast as 2nd
I see mast being better with higher shield
But I heard other prots focusing versa.
woeful reef
its crazy how important shield is now
tiny rapids
It is great how block rating is important now.
tiny rapids
I see classes
ember arrow
🤔
topaz ember
just wipped on The last boss and he only had 44k hp left
tiny rapids
Impressive.
ember arrow
@topaz ember what dungoen
tiny rapids
I mean it. 9k dps
topaz ember
raid
tiny rapids
Which undead you got?
ember arrow
beastmaster
ember arrow
tiny rapids
not bad. Thanks @ember arrow
tiny rapids
I better sleep cause tomorrow is my raid
tiny rapids
Cya
inland mesa
355 ring that's crit heavy and haste vs 340 haste vers ring - going to 355 gain 26 haste, 34 stam (227 crit) for 227 vers
lost mauve
Someone on reddit claimed Prot warriors are less that 20% of Uldir tanks but account for 50% of Uldir tank deaths
Not sure if that’s accurate at all
woeful reef
I posted the link above, it wasn't that high
amber siren
Not super surprising
raven kernel
the metric is pretty irrelevant though unless you can filter it to only take stats from a higher precentile of performing players
but since u cant measure tank performance with logs
¯_(ツ)_/¯
woeful reef
You can sort by the top 75%
woeful reef
I assume overall performance
inland mesa
with haste being so important i'm thinking the 26 haste is worth it, any other thoughts?
sudden tapir
Is there no method to measure block uptime and incoming damage 😮
raven kernel
at least WCL has no proper algorithm to do so
junior ivy
amber siren
monkaS
sudden tapir
Oh my
lost mauve
Yikes
junior ivy
😄
lost mauve
I see lode m+ I don’t even even bother, lol
raven kernel
eh its fine
last boss took like 2 hours
but we figured it out now
if we ever redo the same key we can do it in 1.5-2hrs
lost mauve
Is there a key level where you just stop even trying to make time
raven kernel
10 lol
lost mauve
Yeah that makes sense
smoky wave
Gz!
junior ivy
thanks
smoky wave
How was infested?
junior ivy
tbh i didnt notice it that much
i was much more worried about necrotic
and sanguine
ugh so close to 350
tiny sphinx
my kingdom for a shield
exotic matrix
@junior ivy what addon do you use to show your ilvls on equipped pieces?
ember arrow
dejacharactersheets
exotic matrix
thank you 😃
unkempt orchid
@tiny rapids did u just kite everything?
lavish sierra
@junior ivy I must ask, how much uptime do you have on IP? Im having abit of a hard time to find a good balance, feel abit squishy when Im not keeping it up like all the time.
raven kernel
prioritise your shield block uptime
not ip
IP as much as your rage allows without affecting shield block
lavish sierra
Yeh shield block is ofc nr 1
twin hazel
someone wanna link me to a good Vectis prot warrior log?
warm plinth
👋 Good morning
sudden gazelle
Hey guys, anyone got any great prot weakauras to suggest?
astral notch
It depends what you want, some will show shield block charges and ip. Some will remove the need to show your action bars.
plush swallow
sudden gazelle
metavore that looks pretty neat
twin hazel
khakanz served me well in legion
mild maple
Do you wind up casting Devastate a lot at 120? I've just started leveling my Warrior from 110 and I find I hardly press it, though I think my inflated stats are probably the reason
inland mesa
no, you almost never press it later as well - only if there's absolutely nothing left
twin hazel
you cast it when you have nothing else to press