protection

[uneven mason]

swap when you get the explosive snotball pingpong debuff

[dusk locust]

ok that's what me and my co-tank were considering

[uneven mason]

as soon as he starts to cast it, taunt

[thorn fox]

The guide I read for the fight was tank swapping on 8 to 10 stacks and we were just getting wrecked

[dusk locust]

we were doing 5 stacks previously

[chilly brook]

@dusk locust I mean we did it when dbm told us

[uneven mason]

then the other tank runs out

DBM is wrong on Ghuun normal

[chilly brook]

Yea figured

[uneven mason]

its looking at the arcane stacks

which is not how you wanna play that.

[undone sun]

bw was also delayed on goon

[dusk locust]

yeah i'm using bigwigs

[undone sun]

timers didn't line up with when he actually casted the abilities

[chilly brook]

Either way tbh g’huun comes down to healers and orb teams

[grim prism]

Any fight in particular you want me to take a look at @chilly brook

[dusk locust]

how high do stacks get when you taunt every balls debuff

[thorn fox]

Does he still cast that ball debuff at 0-15%?

[chilly brook]

@grim prism prolly the two heroics

[uneven mason]

Not quite Griff, last 20% Is totally about tanks maximizing their EHP

Yes SPuck

he does

[chilly brook]

Sure the last 20%

[thorn fox]

Ok good to know

[grim prism]

Damn sick parses bro

[chilly brook]

But a majority of the fight is on heals and the orbs

[uneven mason]

Yeah healers have to really carry the last bit

[chilly brook]

P2 is a nightmare if you don’t have quick groups

[uneven mason]

that is true

[thorn fox]

When is it best to lust on Ghuun? My guilds doing it when he gets stunned

[uneven mason]

DH + 3 warriors and 2 warlock portals

some swift orbs

lemme tell ya

[dusk locust]

yeah we're lusting on the stun

[uneven mason]

Spuck you save lust for after collapse

[chilly brook]

@grim prism thanks xD like I said my concern isn’t my damage output it’s more or less maximizing my mitigation at this point

[uneven mason]

(20%)

Because you can't remove stacks anymore

[chilly brook]

^yep

[dusk locust]

hm alright we might try that

[uneven mason]

so you only have so much time before you're overwhelmed

Lusting on the stun just increases the likelyhood you're going to transition him while the entire raid has a ton of stacks

[chilly brook]

Or increases the probability of him being immune

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

you want to transitionhim AS the last add spawns (and kill the add during cave in, due to Ghuun being 99% immune for that time)

[dusk locust]

you drop all the stacks on the 2nd add though right?

and then stun

[uneven mason]

Ghuun goes "inactive' during cave in

so you want the add to spawn just as that happens

no stacks + a bit of a breather for everyone

just dodge rocks

[thorn fox]

Sounds like good timing is a must for a lot of that fight

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[thorn fox]

My guild has gotten phase 1 down perfectly

[chilly brook]

I just wish our group would melt the add faster during that fight

[uneven mason]

pushing or pausing is a part of it

[thorn fox]

We are just cleaning up phase 2

[dusk locust]

wait so, 2nd add spawns, you stun, and you focus g'huun and not the add to push him into collapse, then kill add during collapse?

[uneven mason]

TBH P3 is the real fight

[thorn fox]

Oh I’m sure. Just haven’t gotten there yet XD

[chilly brook]

Part of me feels g’huun with a 3rd tank would make it much easier

[uneven mason]

No, you should be spawning the 2nd add when he's at 20~, or 3rd add (as the case may be)

[grim prism]

Right off the bat, you are underutilizing LS on these pulls. Two casts in six minutes, one of which overlaps an SB (Taloc). Looks like you are managing rage fairly well, but you do cap out and sit there several times. I'm also only seeing one SW. So you could absolutely reduce intake by not sitting on CDs

[chilly brook]

Have the 3rd be the add tank

[uneven mason]

What part of Ghuun would a 3rd tank make easier?

erm

[chilly brook]

But not in normal

[undone sun]

it would if you have somewhere around 30 people in the raid

[uneven mason]

yeah

a lot of stackjs

[undone sun]

i've seen many guilds do it on heroic

[chilly brook]

We were running with 26 or so

[grim prism]

Demo uptime looks very good tho

[uneven mason]

I guess yeah with a bigger raid

a 3rd tank would make a lot of sense

[undone sun]

25 here and i can see where a 3rd would be useful

[uneven mason]

since that add is going to be up for a while

[undone sun]

yeah

[uneven mason]

We've been running on 20

[chilly brook]

@grim prism awesome, part of me wants to sit on SW just simply because I don’t want to not have anything to pop in a bad situation

[uneven mason]

2 teams right now

"BOTB get to be the primary mythic team"

[grim prism]

Yeah i feel that, i underuse SW badly

[uneven mason]

@chilly brook you use SW to either pull more, or cover gaps in other CDs

[wary gyro]

yeah im always like that with long CDs i never want to use them

[grim prism]

But if its not getting pressed at all, its a bigger waste than pressing it at an off time

[chilly brook]

I was actually trying to be better on LS during mother

SB,SB, 1-2 globals, SB, LS let the charges come back

[uneven mason]

Who is your add tank on mother?

[chilly brook]

Blood DK

[uneven mason]

I guess that works

I did adds on Mother because Warriors just truck those things

[chilly brook]

Our BrM (and also our GM) had to step down because his mother had a serious spinal injury and he just got a promotion

@grim prism true if I’m using at an “oh shit moment” it’s probably too late anyways

[grim prism]

Looks like you overlap a couple SBs in there on mother, enough to be significant. Also, I may be misreading, but it looks like you are popping LS slightly after high intake moments

Where it may be better used proactively to squish the damage intake relative to total HP

But again, without me knowing the fight you should take w/ grain of salt

[chilly brook]

Most of those times it’s more or less because a majority of the group has left the room so my damage intake seems higher because less heals

The SB thing I knew about because I’m a dumbass

😜

[grim prism]

Demo uptime again looks pretty good

Well I am looking purely at damage taken for the purpose of "high intake", not your HP

[chilly brook]

Right

[silent current]

Hey did some HC yesterday and got smashed. So im looking for some advice for tanking please check it out https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kRzcNpTw9XxrjYm7/

[chilly brook]

That high intake is most likely just a regular melee that didn’t have any mitigation up

Since melees actually hit decently hard in heroic

[grim prism]

Tell your lock he needs to keep haunt up better lolol

[chilly brook]

Me? Or Tim?

[grim prism]

Yeah they were mostly melees

You lol

[chilly brook]

Oh lul

Lemme go tag him

[grim prism]

Oh nm

He died

Dont tell him

[chilly brook]

There was lots of that lol

[grim prism]

Yeah i hear thats been going around

[chilly brook]

When you take a bunch of extra trials 🤔

Or when your “core” wants to be dumb and not do their homework

I mean I’m not immune to that though, someone lusted on room 2 and I just couldn’t take my eyes and mind off the lust debuff and the fact that someone lusted in room 2 and ended up eating a laser

[grim prism]

@silent current im having a hard time getting your logs up on mobile... its been an issue with WCL this week

[chilly brook]

Anyways appreciate it, I was looking at some other classes and my damage taken per second is typically lower and in some cases much lower but one of our healers was still like “you’re getting hit really hard”

And I’m sitting here like “all tanks are getting hit really hard lol”

WCL has been having issues a lot this week

Understandably though

[wary gyro]

because warriors tend to take large spikes of damage

[uneven mason]

@silent current What exactly were you looking for help on?

[silent current]

How can I make the spikes be no more?

[chilly brook]

You don’t 😉

You can just reduce them

[silent current]

Either i have rage for SB or IP

and IP for magic/pen ability

[chilly brook]

SB>IP on any physical boss that’s blockable

[silent current]

and SB for melee

[uneven mason]

I mean, you're going to take spikes because HC bosses deal a ton of damage

TBH the spikes look worse on us

because we have lower HP pools

[silent current]

yeah how come we suck at it?

[chilly brook]

So we should take indom right?

:kappa

[undone sun]

[chilly brook]

Define suck at it?

[uneven mason]

We don't suck at it?

We're the best at it

well

I mean apart from monks "situationally"

[silent current]

like suck on midigating dmg constantly

• the lower Hp pool dsnt help

[grim prism]

@silent current you look like you are overlapping CDs quite a bit

[digital arrow]

🤔

[silent current]

yeah

[grim prism]

I didnt get to do a deep dive because WCL is giving me shit

[silent current]

might have panicked

[chilly brook]

I mean we have some gaps

But we don’t suck at mitigating damage

We still take overall less damage than other tanks

[grim prism]

But in one extreme example, i think it was taloc around 1:30, you have LS, SB, SW, and demo all up at the same time

[digital arrow]

thats how u play war.. panic 24/7

[grim prism]

fear is the mind-killer

[silent current]

Just that we are spike?

[grim prism]

Overlapping shit is what leads to spikiness

[chilly brook]

You’re just gonna get spiked every once in a while

[grim prism]

You take disproportionately small damage and then are left defenseless after

[uneven mason]

If you don't cast shield block, you're going to die

[grim prism]

Demo uptime looks decent, maybe slightly underutilized, but idk the movement requirements on that fight

[uneven mason]

If you spam IP, you're going to die

[digital arrow]

does anyone ever cast last stand and demo together, or do u stagger those

[grim prism]

Biggest advice i can give is to try not to overlap, ESPECIALLY SB with LS

[uneven mason]

I tend to use DS on CD

unless I have a reason to delay it

[grim prism]

Sorry i cant get more specific but WCL is giving me shit today

And i have a job im neglecting right now lolol

[digital arrow]

whatcha mean? ip absorbs damage, y is that bad

@uneven mason

[chilly brook]

@grim prism so since I’m a fairly new prot warrior, I know in Legion SW was used really just for gaps in mitigation. But in BFA if I use it is it a waste to use SW and SB at the same time? I’d assume not but I don’t wanna SB during SW if it’s not worth

[digital arrow]

sorry tagged wrong person

[uneven mason]

Because Pocky, they were casting IP at the expense of Shield block uptime

[digital arrow]

ohh gotta do em together

[uneven mason]

well in general SB is better for mitigation than IP

[digital arrow]

1st shield though

[chilly brook]

You don’t gotta do them together

[grim prism]

No its not a waste, but it might not be necessary and then you dont have SW if you need it in the next 2:30 @chilly brook

[digital arrow]

👌

[chilly brook]

Right @grim prism I was thinking more for when I have a gap pop it and then SB when it’s off CD because there’s usually some overlap

[grim prism]

LS and SB is the combo thats purely wasteful

[chilly brook]

Yea

Because bolster

100% block

[grim prism]

Yarg

[uneven mason]

If only we had Cataclysm block mechanics

[chilly brook]

On top of 100% block

[digital arrow]

ohhh right

[uneven mason]

230% block means 100% critical blocks! /s

haha

[grim prism]

Legion SW, in my mind, was more of an "oh shit button"

Now we dont really seem to have one

[uneven mason]

I used The walls fell

SW was rotational for me in ABT

[grim prism]

Thats why i sit on SW inappropriately

[chilly brook]

I guess using SW more often will probably help smooth it out a little for me

[uneven mason]

that 2p bonus with The Wall Fells, 40s avg CD F

[grim prism]

I dont know if youll really be able to get nuch more out of it. I didnt look at your block rate and i'm not repulling your logs becayse WCL is pissing me off, but you seemed to have good raw uptime

[chilly brook]

Well damage reduction is still damage reduction

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven mason]

yeah

[grim prism]

Yes

If you can SB more, you probably should be. Lol

[chilly brook]

Just realized i typed SB not SW

Meant SW

[grim prism]

LOL

Yes, you need to SW more for sure

[uneven mason]

Zul is aggrivating

[digital arrow]

fuck i forget about bolster when i panick and end up blocking as well, i gotta stop doing that

[chilly brook]

Zul is crazy

[uneven mason]

"Here is a boss that does insane DOT damage - oh he melees for 50k as well, have fun"

[chilly brook]

Gotta push him super fast outta p1

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[chilly brook]

But that’s easier said than done

[uneven mason]

was the biggest error folks made

we were focusing on adds

our kill was when we started focusing Zul

and just killing adds with cleave

+++ arms warriors

[chilly brook]

Yep

Gotta keep close to boss

[uneven mason]

Like I can tank 2 Crushers

[chilly brook]

Had a trial yelling at me for having two casters close together

[uneven mason]

I can't tank Zul if we're in P1 when that 3rd Crusher spawns

[chilly brook]

I was like “boi do you know who I am”

[uneven mason]

because by then its basically death time

[chilly brook]

Yep

Looking forward to getting back in and pushing deep into heroic on Sunday

Assuming people can actually do mechanics 😑

[waxen nest]

Oy. Anyone have stat weight for prot?

[uneven mason]

We don't do weights

ilvl > haste > vers => mastery > crit

[waxen nest]

Yep, yep. Not much of a difference between the secondary stats, I guess.

[uneven mason]

Well there is

its just in general our best 2 stats

are Armor and str

which come with item level on armor pieces

then we have a priority for rings/trinkets

[waxen nest]

I see

[grim prism]

There isnt much of a difference in individual secondaries relative to previous expacs

Some are still better than others

[uneven mason]

High haste on a ring is probably worth 10ilvls over high crit on a ring

maybe 15

[grim prism]

Do we have anything concrete to base that on

[waxen nest]

Thanks. Good to know

[uneven mason]

"FEELYCRAFTING"

my trademark Balsaq

[digital arrow]

i thought ilevel was king

then haste

[uneven mason]

for armor peices

[digital arrow]

oh

[grim prism]

Ilvl is absolutely king on armor

[digital arrow]

i see

[grim prism]

We mean for ringa

[old zephyr]

Yes "haste is very good and crit sucks"

[grim prism]

Crit doesnt suck, its just inconsistent. The other secondaries all give you a flat increase and crit parry is

[waxen nest]

damn, I must have teared up some old wounds

[uneven mason]

Its more "Haste is always haste, while crit does nothing vs boss mechanics"

[grim prism]

That is true, yeah

[uneven mason]

You can't parry tankbusters

hence why crit is our weakest stat in general

Crit is actually pretty damn strong in M+

because you can parry trash melee hits

but haste is also strong

because it gives us more SB uptime

[graceful mason]

to be fair as well.. white damage on bosses is real now

[grim prism]

@waxen nest nah not really, there just hasnt been an official ruling because our sim tools dont work atm. (Hence no weights)

[graceful mason]

but still RNG if parry works

[uneven mason]

I'd say Crit is very close to mastery for M+ vs trash

but vs bosses and magic its very weak

because yeah, flip a coin "I might not get hit if it lands on its edge"

[old zephyr]

Until you have to kite then It's useless again

[grim prism]

Yeah, the general consensus among the officers here seems to be that raw stat budget can outvalue individual secondaries. I dont know what the cutoff is, and frankly we dont really have a way of saying for sure

[uneven mason]

now if they gave us something like.......generate 5 rage on parry/double rage on critical auto attacks, crit would be vers >= mastery >= crit

[grim prism]

In the vast majority of cases, I personally would not give up more than 10 ilvl on a ring

[calm whale]

Is there a read up on Block vs crit block?

[grim prism]

Honestly even 10 is pushing it

[uneven mason]

yeah like I said, High haste/low vers ring vs a high crit/low vers>mast ring might be 15ilvls

MIGHT BE

if you're at low haste %

[grim prism]

@calm whale its all mastery. Block rate and crit block rate are % based on mastery and nothing else this expac

Crit block = double the reduction of a regular block

[calm whale]

Oh word, thank you.

[waxen nest]

Thanks fellas

[grim prism]

Np, sorry it was a feelycraft answer but its the best we have right now

And ilvl is better on armor pieces in 100% of cases

[waxen nest]

Noted

[chilly brook]

Yea I’d kinda like a concrete number on how many ilvl to sandbag on rings

FUCK

[old zephyr]

5

[chilly brook]

I hate my life

That just reminded me

370 trinket

[uneven mason]

caveat is Deafening Crash pieces

[grim prism]

Yeah +5 is really the highest ive sacked so far

[chilly brook]

And it’s WORTHLESS

Fml

[uneven mason]

DC is worth 25 item levels

if you're utilizing DS to its maximum

[chilly brook]

Why tf would the game give me g’huun’s tentacle trinket as prot

[uneven mason]

Mind you, I was finding that with DC I was having DS last longer than I was actually tanking the boss in situations where it would matter

[grim prism]

Oh yeah thats important @waxen nest. Having one azerite piece with deafening crash is critically important.

[uneven mason]

Because it has a lot of str on it

Griff

[old zephyr]

And It's only Weekly chest...

[chilly brook]

It has no strength

[grim prism]

Like +25 or more ilvl important

[chilly brook]

It’s like 170 vers

[uneven mason]

after tanking Ghuun lastnight hto

I I think I want to triple stack Bloodsport lol

[chilly brook]

Lolololol

[grim prism]

F E E L I E S

[chilly brook]

Bruh I’ve been thinking just that in all of Uldir

“Triple bloodsport would be nice”

[frosty wedge]

lol

[grim prism]

Hey man I'm all for trial and error

[frosty wedge]

I was thinking 1x DC 2x BS

[old zephyr]

1dc 1 blood sport and 1 engineer helm because "haste"

[grim prism]

LOL

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason now you see why I think IP could be a little beefier in terms of absorb cap

[grim prism]

All ICC gear with 13 haste gems

GG no re

[chilly brook]

If I can get double bloodsport I’ll definitely be trying it

[uneven mason]

TBH BFI is still better than Bloodsport overall

but yeah

its like "I Have to transcend my block roots"

but in reality block works on Ghuun just fine, its just that every 3rd swap I have a gap in my block

[next goblet]

so of all the bosses in uldir

what one is cancerous to be a war tank on?

[uneven mason]

Zul

[old zephyr]

Ghuub

[uneven mason]

Ghuun is bad for all tanks

its not a warrior thing, its just he hurts tanking

Zul - fuck that DoT

which is also

not a warrior thing

[old zephyr]

Mythrax is pretty warrior ftiendly

[chilly brook]

Zul tbh

[uneven mason]

But he's the one that reliably would kill me every time

[chilly brook]

I hated mythrax tbh

[uneven mason]

I tanked Zul by leaping out and getting battle ressed

[chilly brook]

But Zul is by far the worst imo

[uneven mason]

Griff if yo uwere getting trucked by Myth check where your standing, if you're too close he'll hit you in the back

[chilly brook]

Wut

[uneven mason]

yeha

his hitbox is fun

[chilly brook]

Dafuq

[uneven mason]

I was getting destroyed by him

[grim prism]

The only thing shittier than Blizzard tooltips are Blizzard hitboxes

[uneven mason]

and it turns out that he can be facing you, and if you're not at the edge of his targeting circle, he'll be like "I"MINURREARBRUDDA"

which means no shield armor and no block

[grim prism]

Idk why they dont just make the ring under entities indicative of hitboxes... they dont do it in WoW or HotS, the only games where it matters

[old zephyr]

I had to have 80% time active tanking because6my cotank was getting trucked and it was fine

[grim prism]

Seems like it should be fucking obvious but iM nOt A gAmE DeV so

[old zephyr]

SR is up for every cleave, ip that shit and laugh

You can also bolster half of them

And sw a pair

There is like 1 in the who le fight that Will Hurt à bit

[tiny rapids]

Everyone who cries that prot war is bad deserves to play druid guardian. Yesterday the damn healer fake dc in a freehold +5 after second boss.

[shut summit]

Lol

[tiny rapids]

We finished with an Elemental off healing

[prisma crane]

i think, other than standard issues with tanks across the board, my main issue is still minor bad habits from legion

[strong hill]

Lol

[prisma crane]

also, hitting IP, forgetting it's not always going to pop the time i hit it and continue spamming my rotation abilities, only to not apply IP

im slow

[willow wraith]

what is a good DS uptime on a boss like Maiden where you are tanking 100% of the time.

[grim prism]

About 45-50%? Someone gud verify that please, I've only seen a few logs

[uneven mason]

45% would be near optimal

since every other DS you're going to extend it to the full CD of DS since you'll also be using avatar

[next goblet]

does having a better shield really make a big difference?

[uneven mason]

yes

[next goblet]

right now i have a 300ilvl because i cant get one to drop

[uneven mason]

Shields double dip

[next goblet]

ooooh

[uneven mason]

it gives you armor, and gives you block rating

[grim prism]

Sense has almost 60% on one fight

[uneven mason]

which is basically ~1.5* more armor

[grim prism]

So yeah

[next goblet]

so it'll really help me out

[grim prism]

Call it 50% uptime

[next goblet]

i feel like as we get gear, we'll get stronk as fuck

[grim prism]

@next goblet huge difference yeah

[uneven mason]

that is how warriors have worked since Vanilla

[next goblet]

true

[chilly brook]

@willow wraith

[smoky wave]

That's impressive!

[chilly brook]

I’d call this close to optimal uptime on DS for MOTHER

[grim prism]

Yeah

So assume 50% is "good"

But clearly over 60 is attainable

Under 40 is safe to call "bad"

[next goblet]

so i learned to keep IP up as much as possible

[dark junco]

Got a 355 shield! Yay 😄

[next goblet]

really smoothes dmg

[grim prism]

I think a lot of it falls to properly extending demo with avatar

[next goblet]

lol

[grim prism]

@dark junco 🙌

Just got mine on tuesday too lol

[dark junco]

Well be running a 10 sunday, freaking hope I ger a shield from chest/cache

[tiny rapids]

Damn nice DS

[chilly brook]

@grim prism yep and using DS literally on CD

Now I’m curious as to what my Taloc uptime was

[mild vigil]

Beta: spell reflect gives annihilation to Mythrax. I wish they didn't patch that out for live

[tiny rapids]

Quick question, if I reset my key to downgrade it will change dungeon right?

I'm holding a +12 Atal'Dazar 😦

[next goblet]

i was prioritizing SB over IP

and i kept getting SHREDDED

[chilly brook]

Not nearly as good but still decent

[shut summit]

@tiny rapids stays same

Just goes down 1

[chilly brook]

Oof only 42% on g’huun but then again p1 I’m running the ball and don’t start actually worrying about popping much until g’huun comes out in p2

[prisma crane]

i mean

g'huun isnt even active in P1

you can just change logs to check P2 only

[raven kernel]

😱 BIS

[chilly brook]

How do @prisma crane

[rancid palm]

Can you get a shield from 500 conquest? I only see a 1h but people are telling me there are options

[prisma crane]

um

at the top

next to the boss drop down tab

above the yellow "entire fight" it says phase

[hasty ice]

PepeHands

[prisma crane]

@chilly brook this is your P2 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x1FfwgmpA3tkjnLz#fight=5&type=damage-done&phase=2

[sick sentinel]

thats deaths where? uldir?

[plain vapor]

where can i find that @hasty ice

[hasty ice]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#metric=deaths&dataset=0

[plain ice]

yes - heroic uldir

we're winning

[sick sentinel]

Kanj, that's just based on not knowing bosses/bad play

[hasty ice]

Ofc

[sick sentinel]

Died 6/8 Wednesday as Arms on normal

[chilly brook]

So 56% uptime in p2 not bad

[sick sentinel]

0/5 yesterday on hc

[chilly brook]

Still not the greatest

@prisma crane thanks it’s a little unintuitive on mobile when opened through discord

[sick sentinel]

why the hell there is no bloodmallet or herodamage for us

[ember arrow]

because

prot warrs cant be simmed

[uneven mason]

because no one has fixed simC

for prot

because

we don't give a fuck about our DPS

[sick sentinel]

"we"

[uneven mason]

rather our DPS sims

Like simming DPS as a prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

Sense safed Avatar for adds on Zek'voz :p

[uneven mason]

+++

Thats just working with mechanics

not padding

the purpose is literally to fucking kill adds

[prisma crane]

@chilly brook yea np, there's a lot of weird toggles in WCL that you just kinda have to "know" cuz it's a bitch to stumble upon them on your own, and worse for mobile since some require mousing over.

[chilly brook]

Yea

[uneven mason]

So saving avatar makes sense (If you need to sim to tell you how to press TC every other GCD you have bigger problems )

[sick sentinel]

You're some rude fellow.

[prisma crane]

thats not what sims are for though, sims there would be for which stats/traits i want to maximize my dmg during those windows

sims already assume rotations

[mild vigil]

Ghuun: when to taunt? Debuff or stacks?

[uneven mason]

debuff

[prisma crane]

stacks imo

debuffs makes it simpler from a mechanic standpoint, but stacks keeps overall dmg taken way down

[chilly brook]

TBH the debuff isn’t all that bad if your melee is going to be retarded

You can always reposition

[grim prism]

Always assume melee will be retarded

[chilly brook]

I just assume everyone is

[uneven mason]

I mean, if you do stacks, taunting every 4, the same tank will take the debuff every time

makes it easier to deal with

[prisma crane]

if you do it that way, the warrior should be the one every time

SR every other, and leap out for the rest

[junior ivy]

what boss comes after mythrax

[prisma crane]

g'huun

[junior ivy]

my guild is stuck at mythrax 😦

well, the B team that im on lol. the main team full cleared

[prisma crane]

heroic?

[junior ivy]

normal!

😦

main team i think is on zul heroic

[prisma crane]

it's ok, he's honestly easier than zul imo

[junior ivy]

b team is stuck on mythrax normal

[prisma crane]

people jsut have to be good about the MC things

[junior ivy]

we dunno how to handle the adds

we have so many adds during p2 that each dps has to kill 2

[prisma crane]

have range focus them and make sure people arent playing volleyball with the people inthe orbs

[junior ivy]

and it seems impossible

we only have 11 people in our group

[chilly brook]

Mythrax is actually a really cool boss tbh

[prisma crane]

you can hero that phase if it helps

[junior ivy]

zul was hard, we wiped for 2 hours on him before killin him

[chilly brook]

I like a lot of the encounters outside of some of their retard level damage

cough Zul cough

[prisma crane]

zul is a dps check

[chilly brook]

Absolutely

[prisma crane]

honestly, this raid is full of bosses that high dps trivializes

like, full

[clear sapphire]

High DPS saves tank lives.

[chilly brook]

But he’s at least an interesting DPS check

[prisma crane]

lol, but these are fights where if you have high dps, you nearly just stand around

yea, i dont mind it

[plain vapor]

for zul does the blood puddle get bigger the more stacks you have

[prisma crane]

it just grows

[plain vapor]

ah

[clear sapphire]

Didn't seem to be. We went with 5 stacks before dieing.

[prisma crane]

the more stacks you can survive, the less puddles overall there will be

[plain vapor]

jesus 5 stacks

on heroic?

[clear sapphire]

We we're suicidng and yes

[next goblet]

I NEED A NEW SHIELD

WTB shield drop chance boost

[plain vapor]

we were doin 2 stacks and then running out to bop it off and then came back in

[prisma crane]

suiciding my be the strat actually

[magic sluice]

hello guys, how strong are warrior tanks at the moments for raids and m+? ty

[prisma crane]

bop works too? good to know

[plain vapor]

yeah

[prisma crane]

@magic sluice not to put against you in any way, but basically if you have to ask, then for you we're 👌

[grim prism]

@magic sluice raids, very strong. M+, pretty strong but easy to play wrong

[junior ivy]

i tried to pug heroic

and they wanted 350 ilvl

[merry cave]

Surely swapping on 2 isn't the intended method the debuff lasts too long

[junior ivy]

thats pretty high right

im only 347 so i got declined

[grim prism]

Lmfao yeah

Thats kind of high

[magic sluice]

sorry i mained tank warrior last expansion and im going to level it now again, just wanted to know a bit of our situation

[plain vapor]

yeah forberance kind of makes things a bit fucky

[merry cave]

I'd say 350 is more than fair for last 3-4 bosses, the rest you could do myxh lower

[magic sluice]

cause at the start of legion protect was a bit behind

[junior ivy]

i only really want maybe first 4 or 5 on heroic

[plain vapor]

might have to try 3 stacks with more gear

[magic sluice]

@grim prism ok ty 😃

[plain vapor]

had to cockroach our zul H kill last night

[grim prism]

@magic sluice just get used to IP being on the global cooldown as opposed to spammable and you'll be fine. The IcyVeins guide in the pins has all the info you need

[magic sluice]

wtf ip on gcd

is it a nerf?

[plain vapor]

need to put some planning into your rotation now 😃

[grim prism]

Its not bad once you burn it into muscle memory

Yes but all tanks got nerfed

Relative to last expac

We are more about using defensive cooldowns rotationally (demo, LS) than bruteforcing shit with a huge absorb bubble

[prisma crane]

@magic sluice we're probably in about the same shoes as we were in ToS

for reference

[ebon hound]

Any kind feller want to tell me what stats I should be chasing as prot war?

[grim prism]

@ebon hound ilvl

[prisma crane]

it's int he pinned guide on IV

[magic sluice]

fine, thanks krotos

[prisma crane]

but mostly ilvl, then haste

yea np, Grash, we're really not bad

[ebon hound]

Will be juicing the ilvl stat then, thanks bois

[grim prism]

👌

[merry cave]

Ghuun feels more like praying for heals than brute forcing cooldowns lol

[next goblet]

we're bad if you play wrong

[prisma crane]

it really felt that way for me too @merry cave

just running through CDs like mad

[merry cave]

Yeah, mashing IP, I can really see how the 2x IP relics on that right would be unreal

[junior ivy]

anbyone know why my +4 atal dazar isnt showing on raider io? is it confirmed bug?

[stark sage]

mine is working, maybe it hasnt updated yet. their servers been working overtime

[junior ivy]

i did it last night, before my +9 freehold

and the +9 freehold shows up 😦

[stark sage]

all of mine are showing up including a 5 atal dazar ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma crane]

with how many 5s ppl are spamming

it's possible that teh 4 is below the threshold to be recorded

[junior ivy]

wow 😦

thats sad lol

i better do a +5

[prisma crane]

i cant confirm, there's a section on the site that shows the thresholds

[stark sage]

i had a 2 freehold show up

i dunno

maybe i manually updated it

[junior ivy]

im queuin for a +6 temple now

wonjder if ill get in

[grim prism]

I think getting gear is more important than whether or not people saw you did a 4

Lol

[eternal solstice]

Wish we could get mitigation logs back 😦 some how someway

[prisma crane]

depends on when you did it and how populated your server is

[grim prism]

@eternal solstice ?

[junior ivy]

true and i did get that amazing 355 shield 😄

[eternal solstice]

rankings*

[grim prism]

They are meaningless

[eternal solstice]

Was kinda neat though

[strong hill]

@junior ivy did you get in?

[junior ivy]

not yet

still pending

[grim prism]

Theh are only good for apples-to-apples comparisons of same fight on same spec

And not for nothing, but im pretty sure you can still see the actual metrics

[eternal solstice]

Is throwing our damage up for percentile better though?

[prisma crane]

@junior ivy https://raider.io/mythic-plus/realms/us/current

[grim prism]

Tank ranks are purely damage-based

[prisma crane]

you have to do at least a 5

and likely a 6

[grim prism]

Idk if i understand your question

[junior ivy]

yep, has to be a +5

youre rkight

[prisma crane]

what server are you on @stark sage

[junior ivy]

if i was still on rexxar.. lol

[prisma crane]

@junior ivy you have to do a 5 in under 25 min 41 sec for it to count atm

[eternal solstice]

Ranking tank damage as same as dps on logs, it kinda sucks. If you're spending more time throwing damage out instead of mitigation you're not gonna look good in any aspect of logs but then again people it would matter to would dig deeper I guess and see the mit

Just not a fan of percentile damage rankings on tanks on logs

[junior ivy]

someone better invite me

[grim prism]

Yeah basically. Later on in the tier, highest-ranked tank logs are going to show you how to maximize damage, not how to survive

[prisma crane]

@eternal solstice but i could cheese that so easily

jsut be a 3rd tank and take no dmg

[eternal solstice]

You'd be able to see that blatantly

[strong hill]

@junior ivy fingers crossed for you

[prisma crane]

being a tank from a surv standpoint is fairly binary

[grim prism]

Fortunately, at this point in the tier, just finishing a fight is a good indication of doing it right

[junior ivy]

yay i got in +6 kings rest !!

[prisma crane]

the days of take no dmg only are long gone

[merry cave]

Lol kr

[grim prism]

Well @eternal solstice thats kind of why they got rid of it in the first place

[merry cave]

Have fun

[strong hill]

God speed @junior ivy

[grim prism]

Too easily cheesed and its not really meaningful

[prisma crane]

GL cat, it's a shitshow

[merry cave]

I can see that key being rough in a pug

[strong hill]

@merry cave yup.

[eternal solstice]

Just wish we could go back to being seen as mitigation and mana savers than just raw dmg

[grim prism]

I mean, how would you even rank tanks? DTPS? EHRPS? TMI? There are individual metrics that are meaningful on their own, but not really valuable for sake of comparison

They stopped doing them in the first place for that exact reason

Too cheesable and not meaningful enough

[prisma crane]

but you have to realize that tanks arent teh main source of healer mana spent

[eternal solstice]

I understand that

[rustic python]

lol

[prisma crane]

plus, all that changes is that if we take less dmg, healers just do dmg instead

which is very apparent in M+

[grim prism]

I could be wrong, but I think the way they were ranking before was uptime-weighted TMI

[prisma crane]

healer jobs are simple, dont let ppl die, tanks, same, dont die, dmg is the one that can keep scaling

[grim prism]

It was some kind of uptime-weighted number

But its almost impossible to compare beteeen different specs

[eternal solstice]

It would just be cool to see again, if it was monitiored accurately how I don't know. Would just prefer it over dmg rankings is all I was trying to get out

[prisma crane]

fair enough

[eternal solstice]

Always liked being a tank

Not trying to push as much dps out as possible

[prisma crane]

meanwhile i always liked beating dps while tanking

[grim prism]

You still can view those exact metrics on the damage taken tab, at least you could last expac

I think we all agree we would like to have a mitigation-based tank ranking

[prisma crane]

but nowadays, if you arent maxing dmg once you've figured out how to not die, you're playing suboptimally at best

[grim prism]

But it's just not really feasible in practice

[eternal solstice]

Word

[grim prism]

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE

I dont think anybody is explicitly trying to maximize damage right now

So the top ranked tanks are still a good reference for what to do properly

[prisma crane]

on normal and heroic a few are for sure

but tbh

[grim prism]

Obviously its not what you wanted but hey

Lol

[prisma crane]

our talents are the same anyways

except maybe deva for pure ST dmg

[eternal solstice]

No but there's still always a little voice back there... "take the hit do dmg for the meters pussy"

lel

[junior ivy]

this kings rest is goin so bad

lol

[eternal solstice]

KR is difficult

[grim prism]

And thats why you play prot @eternal solstice 👌

I wont tell if you dont tell

[eternal solstice]

lol

[strong hill]

@junior ivy ya I think most of us were expecting it to be. Its got some interesting trash in there

[prisma crane]

plus, if you take mroe dmg, you help healers parse 😉

[grim prism]

Yeah really you are helping the whole team look better by taking more damage

Not to mention your extra 500 dps you squeezed out means a shorter killtime for your DPS' parses

[strong hill]

Stand In the fire dps higher

[grim prism]

^

[eternal solstice]

iso vengeance

but yeah take more dmg dps higher

Selfless

[stark sage]

@prisma crane khaz modan/azjol nerub

[strong hill]

Heroic thok in siege. Top dps abs healing charts

[grim prism]

The best way to get high damage parses is to play a resto druid

[prisma crane]

ahh, yea thats why yours showed up, smaller server, less logs

says you only need a 2 still on any dungeon to show up there

[stark sage]

gotcha

[grim prism]

Throw a single moonfire and youre in the top 50%

[eternal solstice]

haha

[chilly brook]

I mean I try to maximize damage while not sacrificing survivability

[strong hill]

Lol

[chilly brook]

In my mind maxing my damage typically means more rage which means more defense

[grim prism]

I mean I try to maximize damage while not sacrificing survivability

[prisma crane]

imo that was more the case in legion than now

but yea, principle is the same

all thanks to AM

[grim prism]

Do more spammage to mitigate damage

Add that to the rhymebook

[chilly brook]

You’re not wrong

If only they’d just make AM a baseline passive for all warriors

[stark sage]

that wouldnt solve the talent issues with prot

[chilly brook]

Didn’t say it would

[stark sage]

making a talent baseline should be done with the idea of making the tree more interesting or diverse

[junior ivy]

macros are permanent right?

or theyre supposed to be?

[dusk locust]

yeah they persist through logging out

[junior ivy]

i made a macro for /rt pull 10

and then changed it to /rt pull 4 for m+

but whenever i enter a new dungeon it defualts back to +10 !

i mean /rt pull 10

[signal plover]

Self aware macro

[merry cave]

Why not make two? /Pull 10 and /pull 4

Button for raids button for m+

[junior ivy]

true

good idea

[steel mauve]

If you dc then the macros get changed back before you changed them as well, it only saves when you intentionally log out

[junior ivy]

oh, i dc a lot

[steel mauve]

All settings that are changed and keybinds and macros included only get saved when logging out, thats how wow saves it to the wtf folder, so if you make a change then d/c it wont save and you need to make that same change again next time you log on

[lilac onyx]

what are best in slot trinkets for prot atm?

[junior ivy]

😦

[cloud bone]

oof

[junior ivy]

someone left

lol

[cloud bone]

OOF

[junior ivy]

so we're done

[chilly brook]

@junior ivy make three macros 10/5/3 then add them all to opie ring and profit

[uneven mason]

We're back to the time frame of folks leaving M+ because they don't want to learn?

gotta love beginning of Xpac pseudo elitists

[dusk locust]

it's day 4 everyone should be experts kappa

[uneven mason]

"WTF MAN ITS JUST A +10, I DID A +17 IN LEGION!"

[chilly brook]

I mean like OPie is an amazing addon

One keybind and all my tank relevant stuff is right there on a radial menu

[sick sentinel]

I need help with tanking, can someone assist me?

[chilly brook]

Ready check, pull timers, gear sets, consumables

[uneven mason]

@sick sentinel What part of tanking?

[sick sentinel]

Whenever I do Mythics I seem to take a shitload of damage. My healers complain that I'm very spiky whereas in Legion I was almost godlike. Is this normal? Do I really have to use a major CD on every trash pack? My shield block uptime is as high as it will go.

[uneven mason]

In Legions tanks could more or less self sustain through nearly anything

this isn't the case anymore

[sick sentinel]

ok

[weak zephyr]

Ease up on your pulls, and keep using that Ignore Pain.

[uneven mason]

but are you following the build on Icy Veins?

[daring marlin]

As long as you have your active mitigation up, use IP and rotate CDs

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[daring marlin]

They need to git gud

[uneven mason]

Ok, are you kiting whne you need too?

[sick sentinel]

I'm still learning about when to kite

[uneven mason]

kk, a lot of prot is just leaning limitations

But healers QQing about you being squishy are not really understanding the healer tank dynamic as it is now

[daring marlin]

You know what drives me nuts? When DPS don’t know when to LoS. Like in SoB.

aids everywhere

[uneven mason]

Protection is 100% proactive, so you've gotta know when the spikes are coming and prepare for them. In general tho, we're the hardest tank to play right now

highly punished for mistakes

[weak zephyr]

What truly rustles my jimmies is when I do siege and everyone stands in the firing squad

[sick sentinel]

Ok

[daring marlin]

YEAH LOL

THAT TOO

[sick sentinel]

I guess I'll just rotate my major CD's efficiently

[uneven mason]

We're also gear dependent

Yeah,try not to overlap

but keep things on CD as much as is logical

[sick sentinel]

It just doesn't feel right having to use shield wall and LS so much

[uneven mason]

Like, Demo shout you can overlap

with everything more or less

[daring marlin]

It may bot feel right

[uneven mason]

LS is a 1min CD with normal rage use heh

[daring marlin]

Just remember AM bud

AM 2gud

[uneven mason]

but having that 15s of block is amazing

[sick sentinel]

Yeah AM is extremely important

[uneven mason]

means you can funnle all of your rage into IPs

[daring marlin]

ABC BABY

[sick sentinel]

I feel like the block is way less than legion

[daring marlin]

we’ll scale

[sick sentinel]

My block uptime was literally 100% at all times in legion

[daring marlin]

it’s nbd

[sick sentinel]

I was using the legs and had 40% haste

[uneven mason]

Another mistake folks make is hitting Rev when they should be hitting IP to reduce their damage

[glad cradle]

Really feels like if you don't have a strong healer I get trucked in any key higher than 3

[daring marlin]

Just rotate revenge/IP during your avaclaps

[uneven mason]

Legs were garbo in Legion 😄

[cloud bone]

but muh deeps

[daring marlin]

It makes a world of difference.

[uneven mason]

But yeah in Legion warriors were either 100% health (because nothing broke Block + IP) or dead (Because damage got so high that even all of our reductions couldn't stop it)

[strong hill]

@daring marlin lol I was doing waycrest, taunted a mob and step around the corner in the hall , dps just stood in the door way and got casted on.

[uneven mason]

Now we take damage

but we do take LESS damage

relative to Health pool size though

[sick sentinel]

I found the legs useful. I was able to push +22's a lot.

[daring marlin]

yeah dude @strong hill they’re the fucking worst

[uneven mason]

we take MORE damage (so to the untrained eye it looks like we're taking more)

[weak zephyr]

LMFAO @strong hill

[grim prism]

Never trust a pug

[weak zephyr]

I never try to side step trash packs with PuGs.

[sick sentinel]

Okay well thank you for the insights

[uneven mason]

^^

In general tho, its hard to give very specific advice without logs

[grim prism]

I was in a pug group once

I think it was ataldazar

The guy literally TOLD ME to LoS this pack behind a corner

Then proceeded to stand in the open

[uneven mason]

WAT

[weak zephyr]

dps truly be like that though.

[grim prism]

And then told me i didnt have aggro because he died to casts

[uneven mason]

My favorite is when I ask a hunter to MD to me

and they say ok

and then just shoot the mobs and run to me

like they don't know what the fuck MD is

[weak zephyr]

oh my god

[uneven mason]

its happened so often

[weak zephyr]

I've never had that happen to me, but I never knew the brains of some hunters were so powerful

[true hazel]

Its rare to have hunters MD.

[willow wraith]

The ink the leggo legs had uses. I loved taking thos into High Nelths Lair keys. Could Reflect every single tankbuster on the last boss. Reflect most of the wurms hits. and reflect most of the 2nd bosses thing. forget whats its called

[edgy solstice]

the hunter misdirected you for sure, just not the spell

[willow wraith]

also on Upp Kara. Legs let you reflect most every arcane missles. And you sit theere an laugh as boss does 12m+ to himself

[grim prism]

I have an irl friend i run with who semi-frequently dies to fixates and other mechanics and says "welp maybe if you wouldnt lose aggro"

[weak zephyr]

shield slam him in real life

[dusk locust]

i was running with two demon hunters yesterday for a few dungeons. that was interesting

[grim prism]

I just Ignore Pain

I bet Double DH was super fun on sanguine

[sick sentinel]

345 rezans or darkmoon trinket? second trinket is a 370 jes howler

[grim prism]

This week I had the worst pug I have ever run with

@sick sentinel DMD

[dusk locust]

double DH was a lesson in aggro management, especially when kiting for necrotic

[grim prism]

This guy actively heroic leaped INTO the Rezan fixate because "we have good heals, its better than spawning adds"

Note that he had to be out of melee range in the first place for that to be a thing

Proceeded to take as much damage as me on every trashpack we pulled between Rezan and Priestess

Due to standing in every AoE possible

Halfway there our fifth pug straight up ragequit midpull

And then i shit you not

Priestess on m0 took us almost four minutes to kill

Because he was pulling 4k dps as a 346 arms war

And not even applying on the add, just tunneling the boss

At this point he started angrytyping at us because he was "the only one doing the fucking mechanic"

HE WAS SOAKING MULTIPLE POOLS PER TRANSFUSION

I disbanded entirely after priestess

Never, ever trust a pug

So to reiterate

Took as much damage as the tank

Did the same damage as a ST prot war and and a disc priest

[uneven mason]

"WTF AM I SOAKING ALL THE POOLS"

"Why are you soaking any of them

[grim prism]

And then yelled at us for the mechanic that he fucked up

[uneven mason]

before the mechanic

I had a Feral druid do that to me

dash through 4 pools

like - ok she's gonna heal now?

[grim prism]

Thank the christ this guy was probably never going to reproduce in the first place because god damn

NTP

[uneven mason]

never underestimate the ability of stupid people to procreate.

[grim prism]

Seems like its always the stupid ones that spawn the most kids too

No wonder this country is a dumpster fire

[uneven mason]

Putting a raincoat on takes forethought....

[grim prism]

But i digress

[uneven mason]

🤷

[grim prism]

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦

[brave jetty]

anyone else really liking Menace over Rumbling Earth?

[dusk locust]

i haven't given it a try yet

i feel like i would miss rumbling earth too much

[brave jetty]

I thought I would too

[dusk locust]

that's a great deal of damage and demo shout duration to miss i think

[brave jetty]

???

neither has much of an impact on either of those two things

[dusk locust]

oh wait derp i was thinking the wrong thing

heh

how are you using menace

[twin hazel]

first time I've seen wowanalyzer been used, is it a good tool for protection warrior log analizing?

[brave jetty]

generally same situations as when i'd use shockwave, to me it feels like a choice between more sustained CC in mythics w/rumbling earth or quicker successive CC since you can chain shockwave into shout reliably

often to disrupt large groups for a bit

[uneven mason]

Meance is good for situations where you need an extended "break" from a mob, like in M+ AD I'll charge the colossus pack, hit IS and leap the golem out while the other dudes just kinda hang back for that 12s

[brave jetty]

either to help roll into kiting on M+ or to interrupt like 2 casters in a pack at once

[uneven mason]

I Mean, IS you can use as an interrupt

as logn as you AE right after

[brave jetty]

it's pretty flexible

[uneven mason]

it is, but Rumbling will generally endup being better overall

Now, if Menace reduced the CD on IS

I'd take it

[dusk locust]

yeah i do find that the fear breaks fast enough that they don't need to be held still, but i can see some good uses as an extended CC

[uneven mason]

but it doesn't

so it feels pretty bad hehe

[dusk locust]

if say your comp lacks it

[brave jetty]

I figured I'd always stick with Rumbling but like I said, I was just surprised at how good Menace was feeling at times

[dusk locust]

you know i might have to give it a try

maybe i'll be less shy about casing intimidating

especially in tight places like tol dagor

[brave jetty]

yeah in a lot of situations it's as good as giving you a brand new CD

because standard intimidating is such a liability so often

that i often just end up not using it ever

[dusk locust]

i definitely don't intimidating shout as often as i should

regardless of talents

intimidating and shockwave are both on gcd right

[brave jetty]

yeah

[dusk locust]

i wish they weren't since i largely use them as an interrupt

most casts are long enough that it works out though

now on sanguine i'd be inclined to argue against menace

[brave jetty]

it's felt fine on sanguine

[dusk locust]

it's nice to fear them out of it

or spread them out some before they die

[brave jetty]

i try very hard to ensure my groups kill anything that i would have difficulty pulling out of a pool anyways

kill it first* that is

[dusk locust]

yeah

[molten rivet]

So, Fetid Devourer; do any of you guys really risk taking two Thrashes with one SB?

[dusk locust]

i was under the impression you can't

[molten rivet]

I've heard some people say you can. But I'm too chicken to really try it on the opportunities that I'm getting

[sick sentinel]

in a prot pala/prot warr setup who MTs?

the thrashes

in fetid

[thick flume]

some minutes ago i did a kingsrest +5 as prot and got big cock dmg in my face, any tips for m+ which arent in the guide or is it just our destiny to get big dick dmg?

[dusk locust]

i off-tanked fetid full time and it worked out pretty well

you need to be on point with cds though

and potentially call for an external if you see a gap

[prisma crane]

all tanks take the cock in KR @thick flume

[thick flume]

thank you krots xD

[dusk locust]

is there some cheesy way to deal with that heavy bleed in KR trash?

[prisma crane]

lol np, just advising you to do your stretches first, and lots of kiting

kite and have melee do the same

[dusk locust]

oh does that not apply to anyone if nobody is in melee range?

[ebon geyser]

how are we doing in normal/heroic uldir?

[kind urchin]

The blood ticks in underrot... Charge in tc revenge to get threat... Heroic leap out and already have 10 stacks of that dot... So brutal.

[strong hill]

Hopefully we’re staying under the radar so they don’t nerf us

[ebon geyser]

im leveling a monk , but i have a warrior and a paladin so im just looking around

but i wanna know how you guys feel warrior is doing

[dusk locust]

there's a learning curve, but i think well once you have a good sense of the damage pattern

[ebon geyser]

cool ,ty

[sick sentinel]

I actually enjoy tanking

and that's coming from a rogue/feral druid guy

[near dirge]

How many stacks are you guys taking on G'Huun? My co tank and I were swapping on 5 or whenever we got Explosive Corruption

[plain vapor]

dang theres so much "prot wars r bad " misinformation going around right now

just heard asmongold say on stream he heard thye suck and didnt invite one

[grim prism]

Been that way since 2016

[plain vapor]

[strong hill]

@near dirge everyone seems to just swap on the explosive corruption debuff

[near dirge]

ty

[grim prism]

To be fair, most prots do suck, because wow has become so "streamlined" that any spec requiring attention and forethought is too difficult for 80% of the playerbase

[frosty wedge]

so true

[grim prism]

Most tanks are PRESS BUTTON TO MAKE STAY ALIVE and we are PRESS SPECIFIC BUTTON TO MAKE STAY ALIVE

Its really complicated shit tbh

[frosty wedge]

the number of times I"ve heard shit like "oh great a warr tank" before pug runs

[weak zephyr]

and we have our "lmao lets flex on the dps button" which is avatar

[frosty wedge]

which is up like every pull with AM, lol

[grim prism]

Which is taunt* lmao

[uncut fractal]

is archive for azeroth good?

[grim prism]

I will gladly perpetuate the stereotype of being a mongo tank if it means flexing on shitter pugs

I embrace toxicity

[random jay]

going to be streaming some m+ in a bit if any arms US are capable

[grim prism]

Try posting in #arms

[hushed swallow]

Doing Lk dungeons as healer with warrior tank

He never uses thunder clap on ST and only once ever in groups

For some reason he TCs before leaping in

Then never uses it

Kill me

[grim prism]

Scroll up slightly to see what i said about why prots are bad

Homeboy is a sterling example

Its a decent spec but you cant just smash your face into the keyboard and expect to be successful

[frosty surge]

Method did a vid ranking all of the tanks for raiding and Prot ranked 5/6

[vivid sage]

idk i think you can be remotely ok just slamming buttons

[frosty surge]

DH was the lowest

[grim prism]

Yeah but he also ranked all tanks within three points of each other on an 18 point scale 🤔

DUMPSTER SPEC

UNPLAYABLE

[frosty surge]

🤷🏻‍♂️

Still playing it tho

[fleet ridge]

I'm just now starting to levell; excited to play prot even though people say it sucks; warriors are a blast.

[weak zephyr]

I really wanted to yeet myself out a window when a resto shaman told me that blood dk tanks are much nicer to heal than my mitigation based one.

[steel mauve]

Too bad it doesnt suck 😛

[weary notch]

we're at a disadvantage in M+ compared to every tank aside from druid

[grim prism]

There are no bad tanks this patch, just bad players

[steel mauve]

And there is always a worst tank, but being the "worst" or "second worst" doesnt mean its bad and unplayable

[weary notch]

a fairly significant disadvantage at that

[frosty surge]

You’re right, it’s not bad and it’s def not unplayable. It’s just that people would rather play a class that has a built in oh shit button instead of actually trying

[weary notch]

well, things like pally shield, dk grip and dh sigils are highly distinct advantages in M+ We have nothing to control add groups, which is 90% of the M+ game

[grim prism]

On the flipside, probs 90% of M+ damage is blockable melee damage, and between AM and breaks between pulls we have cooldowns for every pull. Not to mention being one of the more mobile tanks for when kiting is necessary (which it is for prettty much everything but DK)

Not saying we are the best tanks in the game of course

Just saying the disadvantage is heavily overstated

[weary notch]

we can't kite as well as DK, pally, DH or monk

[frosty surge]

The other disadvantage is the nonexistent self sustain

[weary notch]

we need some kind of additional advantage. Why bring a warrior where the group has to work harder on add control when you can bring a tank that can add control all by themselves?

[frosty surge]

If you have a shit healer, you’re done

[grim prism]

Good thing you have a pocket healer in literally all ilvl-appropriate pve content

[sick sentinel]

We do damage

😂 👌

[grim prism]

[remote thunder]

is waycrest manor random every time in m+?

[frosty surge]

Every week

[sick sentinel]

Ah noice info

[frosty surge]

Ya a buddy of mine was going for the trinket and we ran it 4 times in a row on diff keys and it was the same pattern every time

[weary notch]

we used to have a glyph that caused Heroic Throw to silence a target every 10 sec or so (I don't remember exactly). We need something like that. Some of these other tanks (monk, pally, dk, dh) have no disadvantages in M+

[grim prism]

Try facetanking as a DH and lemme know how it works out for you guy

[sick sentinel]

At least when you're doing a good job as a prot people praise you

[grim prism]

Different tanks have different strengths and weaknesses

[sick sentinel]

It's a good advantage

[strong hill]

@weary notch that was back in wod, made some of the dungeons like the mine one a lot easier.

[crimson raft]

guys is the uldir azerite trait worth taking?

[grim prism]

No

Well

Idk if the guide is up-to-date post-Uldir

However, its DEFINITELY not better than deafening crash

And BFI is probably still going to outperform the Uldir traits for physical mitigation

@fierce juniperpls

[crimson raft]

It's +15 ilvls and the prot trait is reinforced plating so i guess it's not much of a choice

in this specific case

[fierce juniper]

No the Uldir trait kinda sucks

[grim prism]

That settles that!

[fierce juniper]

compared to DC/BFI/IF

the uldir trait gives you more stat the more bosses you kill, iirc, or something like that
so it may get better in future

but currently the secondary effect gives you ~75 haste

[crimson raft]

I think it's kinda like the ICC buff that got stronger each week

[merry cave]

I got the revenge chest..feels bad but 15ilvl is too much stats lol

[mortal pike]

Any math done on the Uldir trinkets?

[fierce juniper]

they all suck

actually though, they do
they're really bad for survivability