Guessing on mythic we might need to though, I doubt you can ignore them
#protection
inland mesa
silent current
Grimmy what ilvl is your warrior btw
crystal heron
boys how important is the azerite traits?
simple kiln
I am 343 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kPLaAxgw6F7tNRG4#fight=last logs from the fight
crystal heron
is it make or break if i am minus one piece?
simple kiln
But yeah SB alone can take two, just use it at the last second
@inland mesa I agree for mythic, or I'd assume the same. At 25 people they have like 2.5 million HP and start to heal some, versus 3.5 million HP = 10% of the boss. So it just made sense to go for guaranteed damage
dusk locust
you're sure SB can take two? i thought thrashes were 6 seconds apart
silent current
more like 4
simple kiln
Positive it can, but it's like perfectly timed. If he does ANY other mechanic, then only one
Though on our kill I didn't get two out! So there is that
inland mesa
@crystal heron yar I believe only DC is worth not taking ilvl upgrade, someone correct me if wrong as I just upgraded a 340 IF to 355 IP
grim prism
Depends on the trait
crystal heron
its the revenge one
grim prism
Go 340
grim prism
Wait are you losing deafening crash from the 325?
inland mesa
I got a 380 bracer from normal last night. Too bad it was crit Vers D:
grim prism
I havent been following the convo
crystal heron
lemme check
grim prism
@inland mesa its armor. Equip it
inland mesa
I did, just made me sad
crystal heron
yes
grim prism
Dont be sad
inland mesa
And 340 fortress to 355 ignore pain is an upgrade right
crystal heron
id be losing DC but gaining the colossus one
grim prism
Garg, as much as it feelsbad, id keep the 325 with DC until you get a 340 with DC elsewhere
grim prism
Yeah its BY FAR our best trait
inland mesa
Yes, I think guide says it's worth at least 35 ilvls
grim prism
Like so much better that its almost stupid that we have to farm it
inland mesa
Thank God it's on an uldir piece....oh wait
crystal heron
BFI or IF for my chest piece? its same ilvl
grim prism
Kappa
@crystal heron BFI is marginally better, but honestly you arent going to notice a difference either way
crystal heron
hmm aight
grim prism
BiS trait: sack at least 25 ilvl to keep
Second and third BiS: ehh fuck it whichever
Thanks bliz
inland mesa
Perfect world is one dc, one brace for impacf, one iron fortress
But I'm running one dc and two ignore pain cuz that's what dropped at higher ilvl D:
uneven mason
perfect world is 1 DC 2 BFI
grim prism
Yep i just gave up the trifecta for a 15 ilvl upgrade last night myself
uneven mason
BFI is stronger than IF
inland mesa
True good call forget they aren't exclusive
crystal heron
something is making my demo shout a 15 second cd anyone know what that is?
grim prism
Pvp talent
wide juniper
war mode pvp trait
grim prism
It wont apply in dungeons
crystal heron
ah
uneven mason
Morale Killer
crystal heron
i aint in warmode tho
inland mesa
Does the inner ring heal stack or increase proc chance if you have more than 1?
uneven mason
You probably are, or have a bugged tooltip
grim prism
The game seems to think you are
ebon torrent
protection is for the BOIS
old night
340 rezans or 370 lions strength (arathi trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=161474/lions-strength&bonus=5119:1492).
Running one of these alongside a dmd: blockades
grim prism
@ebon torrent ayeeeee
old night
im leaning on the rezans for the haste proc
old night
but idk if the strength gains from the 370 are flat out better
grim prism
Possibly
uneven mason
I could see Lion's str at that item level being handy for like, Myth
grim prism
I for one dislike procs
uneven mason
since his melee is Mac Truck level
grim prism
But if you never click the thing
old night
yeah
uneven mason
and you can parry it
grim prism
/shrug
uneven mason
I'd use that click every time I taunted his ass
grim prism
Dont forget crit is pretty good defensively relative to last expac
uneven mason
cause he's nasty
inland mesa
@uneven mason did you 3 tank zul to do power tank dots in heroic?
grim prism
Its not that it is weak, its that you have no control over parry RNG
uneven mason
I tanked Zul by consuming battle resses like they were fucking pez
grim prism
LOL
uneven mason
fuck that DOT
wide juniper
That's how I OT'd Fetid.
sick sentinel
π¬
inland mesa
Yeah we might do 3 and try to swap at 2 dunno, it hurt enough on nornal
uneven mason
We even paladin cheesed three of his cones
inland mesa
Whose cones?
uneven mason
the DoT on Zul
is a cone he casts
applies a debuff
paladin tuant fixate with bubble to eat the cone
grim prism
@old night my vote is lion. More str and big crit is not-entirely-unuseful on big melee pulls
inland mesa
Think 3 tank swapping at 2 would fill platform too fast?
uneven mason
Yeah Film -the extra str is considerable, Crit isn't horrible, TBH overall Rezan's will be better for most fights (and magic damage fights) but for melee heavy bosses, you can make use of that Lion's str
uneven mason
yeha M+ too
old night
@grim prism thanks man! Youve been a big help today between the IP/shield block conversations and trinkets. Appreciate it man
grim prism
Hah i try π
modern tundra
you cant dodge the rupture dot on zul in p2 right ?
mild vigil
I made a spreadsheet of what mythic dungeons gave what gear for prot ^^
strong forum
now filter that by gear with good stats aka haste
ember arrow
all secondarystats are close
steel mauve
regardless there are still bis gear in dungeons
that has haste on it over other items that dont
sick sentinel
Do you prefer the haste weapon enchant or the armour one?
karmic sphinx
are prot warriors in a rough state or am i just bad? i find myself really squishy, every pull takes me to like 30% instantly. healers have also been saying that im kinda squishy compared to others.
graceful mason
Running into the first pull does suck.. really feel the slow gcds
I typically get my cotank to tank first
weary notch
it depends on what you're doing. Should be zero issues in raid. M+ I've been told the same, but I can still perform. There's no room for error, though
karmic sphinx
talking about M+ atm
raid worked perfect in assistance with a brewmaster
but M+ seems rough
i try to initiate with demo roar
but then GCD hits me
cinder pasture
Well that was interesting, just did a +10 shrine π
weary notch
Avatar > Intercept > TC + SB > Demo >
sour wigeon
i pop avatar before charge and then when i charge i have enough for SB
sour wigeon
ive only done a couples 4s though
karmic sphinx
but many near death experiences
cinder pasture
Cleared it in 1hr 32 minutes lol
cinder pasture
we had quite a few miss-communications with interrupts
sour wigeon
did a +10 atal dazar on my monk that was rough, i think alot of it was due to not knowing the dungeon and wasting time with the colossus packs
but just skip it and the dungeon isnt that bad
weary notch
you can skip the colossus packs?
karmic sphinx
so do i put the blame on prot warrior?
sour wigeon
yea i did not know
karmic sphinx
or is there something im doing wrong :/
weary notch
prot war has been rough this week due to casters + sanguine: there's often nothing we can do if they chain cast and you can't interrupt them
sour wigeon
how many packs are you pulling at once?
karmic sphinx
1-2
weary notch
IMO DKs and Pallies and VDH have too much of an advantage in that regard
karmic sphinx
depends if they're rippy
sure i dont die from the,
but the inital damage seems to heavy
weary notch
the most common mistake people make is saving Last Stand
karmic sphinx
thought i was doing something wronfg
weary notch
you use it to fill holes in SB uptime
sour wigeon
definitely dont facetank without 1-2 defensive abilities up
weary notch
also, your group is responsible for most interrupts - abuse the hell out of shockwave
don't be afraid to int shout, either - things won't run far before they're broken - use it like a stun/interrupt
karmic sphinx
dont think im lacking in gear either
but will defo try popping avatar before going in
to get that instant SB
might make things a bit more smooth
weary notch
you can shockwave out of the gate, too, if threat isn't a problem, just to let the healer stabilize
karmic sphinx
yeah we have a pretty good comp for kiting
shammy,druid,warr
so i try to get some threat
then start kiting
once i get going its no problem
just the initial damage
sour wigeon
i generally prefer to shockwave to wait a bit longer between SB
weary notch
I agree, but if I'm about to die I'll hit it
sour wigeon
yea
weary notch
some of the dungeons are just nightmares, though. MOTHERLODE is awful. Too many packs, all way too close together, and you have to kill nearly 90 trash mobs to get your percentage. It's this expac's cathedral
sour wigeon
i heard some waycrest trash isn't even giving percentage
ember arrow
cathedral was one of easiest
sour wigeon
might be intentional but assuming bug
weary notch
we accidentally pulled like 7 additional packs in ML and we still had to turn around at the last boss and kill more
yeah, pre nerf. It's horrible
and the bosses are all boring as hell and stupid easy. Boss time was for the healer to mana up
cedar crow
do any of you guys get this glitch where the animation for your auto attacks is super crazy?
sour wigeon
i haven't seen it
weary notch
me either, but I'm not really paying attention to it
sour wigeon
^
cedar crow
yeah it changes my auto attacks and devastates animation
like one of the animations is the old raging blow animation from legion, and thats for my auto attacks lol
delicate bone
So, i tanked normal today. My co-Tank was 10 GS below me (Druid) and I struggeled hard.
Whatβre your experience?
delicate bone
Yes, but the diffence was huge
karmic sphinx
i think we just gotta accept that we're mainly off tanks
well
did you use your IP and spell reflect effectivly?
i see alot of tanks forgetting about spell reflect
weary notch
I took less dmg than my pally co-tank in raid
half merlin
anyone else spell reflected the corrupted something on ghuun? the one that makes you spawn the 4 balls ?
delicate bone
I took less dmg overall but the spieks are the main problem
ember arrow
waht bosS?
half merlin
or does it just bounce to other players?
weary notch
don't save Last Stand - use it to fill holes in SB uptime
delicate bone
Mainly all bosses
karmic sphinx
and you do keep IP up at all times
delicate bone
Sure
karmic sphinx
try to avoid overlapping it as much as possible
i usually save some rage for when i know a big hit is gonna happen
delicate bone
Did you skill IP-buff or warden in Talents?
karmic sphinx
like void lash from warbringer
never surrender?
because that makes a huge difference indeed
delicate bone
stiff gate
Uhhhh
weary notch
no, no. Anything but the talent setup in the pins is a BAD idea
steel mauve
why would you never take bolster?
weary notch
NS is a bad idea
weary notch
there are no bosses that don't melee
ember arrow
ofc if u take NS u gonna get trucked
weary notch
Bolster benefits like crazy from AM and BV
ember arrow
lmao
karmic sphinx
i usually run bolster
but some bosses NS did the work for my guild
im not saying its better than bolster
just saying its an option according to me atleast
ember arrow
well
according to you it might be
but its a horrible talent
you must be at 0% hp to benefit from it fully
steel mauve
wasnt it capped at like a % of your missing health to be fully beneficial?
karmic sphinx
well im in no mood to argue
weary notch
nope
steel mauve
like at 50% hp it was fully benefitting
weary notch
no, it's 99% at 1% health
weary notch
that's why it's a useless talent. Don't forget, bolster brings last stand's CD to roughly 70 seconds with AM
that's 15 seconds of block (that yes, can crit block), every 70ish seconds
if there were a boss that didn't melee at all - magic only, you might be able to make an argument for NS, but Indom would still be a better choice
but there aren't any magic only bosses, which makes bolster objectively better in every situation
mild vigil
I'f I have SB and bolster at same time, will I have 100% critical block?
ember arrow
no
they dont stack
use LS with bolster if you dont ahve SBcharges
thats its purpose
open bluff
SB and Bolstered LS at the same time means you wasted SB
mild vigil
ilvl 340 legs and 350 belt. HC Zekvos can drop 370 legs, no other legs or belts in HC. Craft ilvl 370 belt for 45 expulsom, or ilvl 370 legs for 65 expulsom?
(legs from Taloc and belt from Mother, but I killed them and got no loot)
blazing pelican
i crafted belt to 370 because i had a 350 pants from honorbound exalted
mild vigil
After shear
past ledge
how many stacks till we go clear them?
mild vigil
Get hit by shear: other tank taunts, you go pick up all orbs.
past ledge
aight
delicate bone
Okay guy. Do you think Prot Warri gets a little buff sooner or later?
gilded girder
So what do ye think of each fight as a tank? I only did the first 5 on Normal so far and the Zek'Voz one hurt me quite a bit
Vectis hurt at first but that was just because of stacks
sick sentinel
Doesnt need a buff.
mild vigil
Mother is fun as a warrior. Save all rage for when people go through the barrier, and then just ignore pain and spell reflect the damage away.
And of course Heroic Leap is so good for mobility
weary notch
any good non-fatboss video guides for uldir? Preferably short ones?
plain vapor
shrewd knoll
So ive noticed that the guide for prot has made a few 180s since the last time i checked what happened to Stalwart Navigation that made the haste one more useful and why did darkmoon deck get boosted to the top?
weary notch
thanks, @plain vapor! Exactly what I wanted
next goblet
so anyone been playing devastator lately? lol
inland mesa
It lists the haste enchant as best now, yes. But doesn t list the 40 str gem, isn't that better first then haste gems?
weary notch
what lists it better?
hot locust
No, haste gems are better than strength
and yes the haste enchant is better than the armor enchant
inland mesa
Icy veins that marok is updating, why is haste gem better than the static strength?
severe summit
Hey guys, any tips for tanking mythic +?
finding it a little bit difficult
some dungeons are okay
solemn sorrel
@inland mesa you value haste more than strength per point so when you have 40 haste vs 40 strength haste wins
weary notch
@hot locust better in all situations or just raid or m+?
hot locust
Pretty much all.
@inland mesa Haste has been worth more than strength the whole time.
Gear just has massively more strength than secondaries
but if you are choosing between the same number just different stats
Haste is ahead.
inland mesa
Hmmm, but wouldn't that make 5 ilvl pieces closer if one was haste heavy at 340 but the 345 had no haste at all? As you could be losing 1xx haste for some str armor, and stam
hot locust
Depends on the piece
Like rings and stuff, sure.
major armor pieces, I don't think so really.
inland mesa
So I should grind the expulsm to reroll my 355 crafted belt and legs then before upgrading them to 370, sigh :(
As they rolled crit mastery, Vera mastery >.>
hot locust
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
merry cave
Do you upgrade them or is it a whole new item?
Because I thought you crafted a new set
weary notch
neat. Just bought the haste enchant, but when I right click it then click my weapon, the "do you want to replace" message appears then immediately disappears, so I can't enchant it. Disabled all addons. No luck.
solemn sorrel
@weary notch I had that problem also but kept trying and then it worked, go figure
inland mesa
@merry cave that's how I read it the first time too, that its entirely new but I thought someone said that's not the case.
Anyone craft the 370 plate pieces, is it the same stats as your 355
weary notch
@solemn sorrel well, I just fixed it by speccing into punish. Wonder if the constant change on my ITF stacks caused it
merry cave
I had that issue too, same thing sorted it out (or clicking really quickly lol). It's gotta be something with the haste stacks
solemn sorrel
ye, looks like it has to do something with haste stacks
and ye, clicking really quickly helped haha
warm rover
Heard some conflicting information, is booming voice actually that much better than devastator for raid tanking?
weary notch
@warm rover yes
warm rover
Alright, tyvm
lean sphinx
Are you able to int shout the adds on MOTHER?
weary notch
didn't work when I tried it
solemn sorrel
For mythic+, especially trash, I don't find time to cast devastate, is it me problem or you guys have same issue? Feels bad
dapper radish
Is there a armor trait sheet by chance?
lean sphinx
@solemn sorrel it's very rare it seems. I've been taking devastator for that reason
frosty wedge
pins
tiny rapids
I hate xenophobic people
dapper radish
looked in faq, saw nothing there
tiny rapids
I FUCKING hate.
sorry just had a run people were being an ass, I shouldnt rant here.
weary notch
devastator is a defensive and offensive loss in all situations compared to BV except single target offensively
shell night
@weary notch for the enchant just put the weapon in your bag then enchant it. Saves having to click fast
tiny rapids
So, I hasve a question, how do you deal with the pull before the Totem boss?
I always struggle there.
solemn sorrel
I dunno about math but that devastate seems like a waste spell (at least for m+) + IP on GCD drive me crazy. Maybe I'm just still used to devastator and spamming IP from legion
weary notch
@shell night tried that. Still didn't work. Speccing out of ITF was the only thing that helped
tiny rapids
I don't know if I have to pull and not let the totem die so I won't have venom pools everywhere or seomthing.
lean sphinx
Totem boss?
frosty wedge
mostly everyone hgere is nearish to 350
tiny rapids
Sorry, I'm a bit shaken with rage here
weary notch
6672 at 349
tiny rapids
Atal'Dazar, second boss
usually. The troll undead.
(I'm literally shaking with rage here because of the last run)
lean sphinx
@tiny rapids Oh. Ive been skulling the totem -> Witches, then kiting the poison guys down the stairs
Seems to work most of the time
ember arrow
if u kill totem last
they wont vomit poison everywhere
so kill hexers first
then totem
then leave them
lean sphinx
Not killing totem puts stack debuff on you doesn't it?
crystal heron
what % is that brunhilda?
ember arrow
totems heal the undead uards
if u kill the totaems, the ywont heal, but start vomiting poison
hot locust
I'm at 6937 which is 52.41% @crystal heron
ember arrow
same as vol kaal
crystal heron
damn son
weary notch
@crystal heron 51.43%
crystal heron
redonk thats alot of armor
fair mulch
So I keep running into this issue, especially in dungeons where I am capped on Rage, my Ignore Pain is fill, and I have a shield block rolling. Should I be hitting Revenge or my Rage Generators first? And does that change if I have Demoralizing Shout up? I have the Thunder Clap trait.
crystal heron
im curious as to if warriors will scale better at higher gear levels than they would at lower levels
tiny rapids
Block rating, yes.
crystal heron
hmm what brings us up most importantly?
lunar spade
Gitting gud
hot locust
block amount and increasing mastery
solemn sorrel
good prot knows how to run π
lunar spade
Good prot knows how to give their melee dps a living hell when a +8 king's rest Berserker puts their dot on the melee dps instead of the tank cause he was kiting π
solemn sorrel
that sounds to me like a dps problem π
lunar spade
xD they learned now , when I say i'm kiting they run aswell
solemn sorrel
haha
lunar spade
Anybody has any idea about the Azerite traits BIS for M+ , the icy veins guide is outdated being nearly a month old and only being raid specific , i can get a general idea with the Gear finder , but I am not the person hwo went through all the numbers to see which traits are best for DPS / HPS and raiding / M+. Feel like M+ and raiding would have different BIs pieces wouldn't they ?
lunar spade
There will always be a best tough , and as a person who wishes to push m+ that info is so valuable to me , even a 0.2% increase in survivability can mean the difference between a whipe and a win. And so far I haven't found a reliable and backed up source for this info. Besides a 15 minute rant on youtube by a person who can't keep shield block up
weary notch
best is DC + 2 Brace for Impact
lunar spade
Isn't that just for raid's tough , i think DC is bis for m+ too , but i feel brace for impact could be swapped for other things possibly in m+/
fresh dragon
G'Huun Shield with Evasion 955 .. love it!
vocal nimbus
If you want to hit harder in m+ get 3xDC
lunar spade
I'm more looking a bit for survivability to be fair , so I can grab aggro before kiting out , with all the dps doing 30 ish k dps i often lose aggro if I begin to kite to soon
raven kernel
if you think other traits are more useful for certain situations
just use them
its your choice
vocal nimbus
Defensively ger 1xDC and 2xBfI
lunar spade
Thinking is one thing , Knowing is what I want to do , hence why I ask it
vocal nimbus
You get a lot of value from the block bonus during a m+
Where 50% of the damage comes from melees
vocal nimbus
1 DC is bis for everything for obvious reasons
lunar spade
Just a quick side note , there is a typo on the icy veins page about the topic : " Deafening Crash Icon Deafening Crash increases Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap damange and extends the duration of your Demoralizing Shout Icon Demoralizing Shout by 2 seconds "
"Damange "
weary notch
unfortunately I don't think anyone here is pushing high keys on a war. They've all gone pally or monk
lunar spade
Well , no need for me to do it then :p
fierce juniper
weary notch
I dunno, I kinda like damange
vocal nimbus
I intend to fish 3xDC for meme damage
But my warrior is an alter this xpac
Cant really digest the cureent playstyle
lunar spade
Another small question , the vial trinket from "Underrot please no the ticks hurt me " who's name i can't think of , should it be used offensivly or defensivly ? , i now use it between prepot and pull for my burst damage
vocal nimbus
π€· my game is not in english, i tend to mess up the names
lunar spade
Last boss , STR increase trinket
digital arrow
what does this trinket do? i fucking hate those ticks
lunar spade
I used to be able to skip them , but you cannot skip all of them anymore D: you just get rekt by em xD
vocal nimbus
Str on use doesnt have a good defensive value
digital arrow
@lunar spade what??? really? did they change something in some hotfix or something? π¦
lunar spade
The ticks after the first boss , i normally skip them by hugging the right wall ,
but now they are spread out a bit more so you just clip their aggro range
vocal nimbus
I'd use it ofensively if i preplanned burst pulls
lunar spade
Alrighty boo , thanks β€ been a big help
vocal nimbus
Not worth imo
lunar spade
Love my 48K dps with Cd's π
digital arrow
goddammit i hate those ticks
frosty wedge
underrot ><
lunar spade
I most of the time let a hunter pet pull and stun them down / kill them
after that it's a gg
vocal nimbus
Charge, TC, shock wave, tc, heroic leap away
lunar spade
Nearly +2'd our +6 , but got a ninja pull on the last pack by a OMEGALUL fear that they didn't dodge
feels bad man
that's what I do if there is no other option :p
vocal nimbus
You can even body pull the ticks and shockwave from afar
That way you dont get hit by all of them
patent bane
Hi, do you take huge damage on guun nm on P2 ? 4 or 5 stacks it's very very huge (and my dk tank take 20 stacks+...)
lunar spade
I want to see that dk tank holy shit
lunar spade
20 stacks
that is 1 shot 10 times over
I just use taunt on CD unless my bro offtank says he can take it
ivory walrus
ive seen people using the armor enchant and the haste enchant while tanking is haste just better?
lunar spade
don't want to steal his spotlight
plain hill
hey guys i have 1 DF and 2 BFI on my gear is that a good set up or should i drop 1 of the BFI?
lunar spade
^ That is fine
plain hill
cool ty!
tawny sphinx
this any good for prot warr ?
amber siren
nope
lunar spade
Got the conch shell today too xD
inland mesa
Yea, you want to drop your gear and give it to me
amber siren
haste dps, armour surv is the tl;dr
ivory walrus
ty
lunar spade
I got the Eye trinket from Mythrax ,the : Extra ignore pain once you drop below 40% ...that one :p it seems good for surv atm
ivory walrus
whats the armor one called again?
lunar spade
Stalwart navigation
elder tusk
haste gives you survivability too though
ivory walrus
ty
elder tusk
indirectly
lunar spade
<- 36% haste when in dungeons
inland mesa
I thought haste was all around better, we had the discussion earlier today
lunar spade
./flex
amber siren
if you're going for surv then haste is the half assed enchant
just have two weapons with both
ez
elder tusk
π€
lunar spade
Off to sleep , tanked enough Atal'dazar's to get 0 trinkets or shields , did get a weapon tough :p Shieldwall down bois. Good night.
amber siren
π΄
elder tusk
ataldazar is the promised land
tidal sparrow
Is terrible thrash blockable?
final mist
Yes.
sick sentinel
ye
people even raiding for ghuun? im not seeing people progressing for it in twitch
tidal sparrow
ty
tiny rapids
@sick sentinel they are, they did, they finish
sick sentinel
only 2 guilds so far and i know its hard fight so
tiny rapids
I only raid weekend
solid mist
got all 3 azerite slots filled with 340 gear with decent traits... still rocking <=310 for shield and both trinkets π
tiny rapids
no
static pilot
just keep an eye on the sanguine pools and you'll be all right
be careful with body pulling when dropping pools though
grizzled stump
is there an uldir block list?
prisma night
Pins
grizzled stump
ty @prisma night
wicked trail
Dislike the current option of people that prot warriors are bad. Tanked normal uldir and took overall less damage consistently than my demon hunter partner.
frosty wedge
yeah DH are designed t take more dmg but have more self healing/sustain
steel mauve
you should take less damage than pretty much every other tank, thats not what people usually complain about
frosty wedge
we're not bad, we're just more difficult to play and less consistent/harder to heal than guardians, monks, etc
steel mauve
especially a self sustain tank like DH or DK
tanks are either gauged in over all damage taken, dps, smoothness, meaning how easy they are to heal, which deal in spikyness, not over all damage, and the biggest one is playstyle/fluidity
raven kernel
DHs are hard to heal now lol
Their self healing does not make up for their lack of mitigation
steel mauve
druid/brm atm are the most consistent, which is why top guilds want them, they can consistently do the same thing over and over with out much change, which is really nice in a WF environment, means there arent any surprises
raven kernel
Warriors are pretty smooth to heal when played right
steel mauve
and far from it when played wrong
raven kernel
Low skill floor yes
dreamy stag
^trudat.
raven kernel
DHs go splat when they fuck up too
weary notch
well, I was doing better than my pally tank until fetid. Somehow he could have SotR up for every thrash. I couldn't come close to that on war
mild vigil
Fetid devourer's terrible thrashes:
2 shield blocks for first 2.
Then 1 bolster for next 2.
Shield blocks back up for 5th. and 6th.
Shield wall for 7th.
What happens on 8+? Shout+ignore pain+disc shields+externals don't seem to bee enough, do I taunt and let the other tank deal with it?
weary notch
I died on 8
pally wasn't even getting hit for half his health without anything up but consecrate (this is normal tonight)
mild vigil
Oh, we 1shot normal. Asking for HC
weary notch
timing is the same
mild vigil
Yeah, but normal 1 missed cd just means you take damage which can be healed back up
On hc, I die at ilvl 350 with flask to 170k hp
weary notch
no, 1 missed CD meant a 207k hit. One shot
mild vigil
207k on normal?
weary notch
yup
mild vigil
after armor 50% armor?
weary notch
yup
mild vigil
Then how did I kill it on normal so easily?
hot locust
the damage scales with raid size
with 30 people, even when I block it was ~50% of my hp.
on normal
mild vigil
Hm, so less people => tank doesn't get 1shot?
mild vigil
Should we 10man fetid then?
mild vigil
I'm asking how to play right. What to do on thrashes 8 and after?
undone sun
should only really be using CDs for after he hits 50% health
and there should be plenty of externals
mild vigil
What count as CDs? Last stand (bolster), shield wall, shout. CD reduction with anger management
Last stand is 2min and reduced to shorter, same with shout. Use those normally, but not wall?
weary notch
yeah, this was frustrating. Pally just doesn't seem to have a weakness
magic estuary
I highly doubt that the damage scales that much with raid size tbh
ember arrow
@weary notch what do you mean
hot locust
mfw pally has the highest death rate on fetid
raven kernel
^
raven kernel
It should rightfully be DHs but I think most guilds are smart enough not to use DHs on fetid
magic estuary
What is the average time between two thrashes?
raven kernel
How many externals did he call
weary notch
none. This was normal, though
rustic python
Yo Ghuun hits like a truck
is anything blockable besides massive smash from young dark?
is prot this shit?
raven kernel
Asking levko lol
undone sun
corruption is reflectable
rustic python
says that was patched
raven kernel
Where?
undone sun
got a link to that?
chilly brook
So 370 tendril dropped any thoughts on whether I should just use it or not?
undone sun
@chilly brook what tendril, what drops it
raven kernel
If you have rezzes you can go out and just die for next round
kind prairie
is zul seriously a warrior issue?
raven kernel
Both at the same time?
kind prairie
no just relatively
magic estuary
Just because he has more hp?
raven kernel
Holding the dot that high just takes heals away from the rest of the raid
magic estuary
Don't know much about bear but does he have that much of an advantage regarding magic damage?
desert hamlet
the dot is physical sp no spell reflect for that
kind prairie
he was at 6 cause I died
magic estuary
Ahh i see
raven kernel
Higher hp pool helps
sick sentinel
hello
raven kernel
Healers still have to spam the fuck out of him at 6 stack tho
sick sentinel
in zul you change at 5 stacks right?
we did it yesterday with 2 warrior tank and it was ridiculous
kind prairie
I was a derp
brazen mortar
How is everyone feeling about warrior tanking in Uldir overall?
chilly brook
Seems fine
sick sentinel
in normal it is completely fine IMO
kind prairie
swapped at 4, and it was difficult, but doable
sick sentinel
I am going to do HC, at least I will try to do the first bosses
brazen mortar
Noob question, how should I maximize shield block when tanking bosses?
surreal stump
mother offical name danzig boss
brazen mortar
Just prioritize big abilities or up as much as possible?
raven kernel
Depends on the dmg ur taking
sick sentinel
If I want 100% uptime I use double shieldblock and then last stand with the bolster talent or some shit
it depends on a lot of things
raven kernel
With good haste you can allow 1 second gaps between shield blocks and get 3 sb before bolster
Then 3 more sb after
sick sentinel
you can also take heavy reprecussions even though I would not recommend it
well yeah it is pretty organic I would say
brazen mortar
What haste % should I aim for?
sick sentinel
like sometimes I have used both my charges on the shieldblock and I have 9 sec without shieldblock
all of the haste you can get
raven kernel
Many many haste
sick sentinel
the more haste you have the more haste you want
I aim to get haste versa on every piece
brazen mortar
Also are warrior tanks as bad as forums make it seem?
steel mauve
no, we're not
cloud bone
15 ivls isn't worth it if I have deafining crash in the slot right?
steel mauve
to the top like 50 guilds it matters, but 99.5% of the forums arent in the top 50 guilds
sick sentinel
I am 9th of all tanks on my realm right now
cloud bone
it's 25?
steel mauve
yes pixel, DC is worth 25 ilvls
undone sun
@chilly brook oh, yeah doesn't' seem too good
cloud bone
Thanks!
sick oriole
Anyone try Vanquished Tendril of G'Huun? Just got it but idk if its actually ok
sick sentinel
we have good dps at least
brazen mortar
IS there any good warrior focused guides for uldir?
modern brook
raven kernel
He taking thrashes?
raven kernel
Must be pretty op then idk how he can have demon spikes up for every thrash
ember arrow
he did get onehit 2 pulls
but third not even close
idk
fro mthere no more problems
errant coral
When we killed it, I started taking the thrash with demo, avatar for rage gen and just generate so much rage you can use ignore pain and shield block for the first few. Then you can use last stand/shield wall to mitigate another couple. Then we swapped I took the boss and the palidan took the thrash.
Anyone else have major issues with this boss?
As a raid
I think they will need thrash a little next weel
Week
undone sun
not after we figured out CDs, just have to have mitigation up for it
warrior is technically the best tank for taking thrashes
sick sentinel
We can parry thrashes right?
errant coral
I did seem to die a couple of times when I just had shield block up. But I wasn't topped up
I mean if you have a restoration druid you can also iron bark one
undone sun
@sick sentinel no
cloud bone
how good is the G'huun tank trinket?
undone sun
oh wait
surreal stump
u mean the dps trinket?
errant coral
You can only block the thrash to mitigate the damage. I found that you really need to use shield block and ignore pain together otherwise you will be practic desd a
mild vigil
How good is the Mythrax tanking trinket?
"Every 2 minutes, cast two thirds of an ignore pain"
errant coral
Practically dead*
mild vigil
So Mythrax trinket is pretty much just terrible?
brazen mortar
Uldir trinkets seem really lackluster
mild vigil
Does the shield at least block what's bringing you below 40%?
errant coral
Yeah definitely
Can we get back to the thrash's? π I'm curious to know how you guys managed it
sick sentinel
Right now I am using a 355 kings rest trinket with blockades
mild vigil
Fetid devourer's terrible thrashes:
2 shield blocks for first 2.
Then 1 bolster for next 2.
Shield blocks back up for 5th. and 6th.
Shield wall for 7th.
What happens on 8+? I taunt and let the other tank deal with it.
steel mauve
externals
sick sentinel
I cry for our 2 disc priests to pain sup me
errant coral
You could iron bark one right?
undone sun
past 50% it's likely you'll need to use CDs with SB so call for externals
errant coral
Also if you use shield wall right at the start for first it will be ready for 50%
steel mauve
if you run out of cd's/externals, which most likely will happen and you need to, im pretty sure the fight is structured around taunting off and letting your co tank use all their cd's
errant coral
But what about positioning do you keep moving him back to middle?
sick sentinel
We are taking that you are using anger management for granted right?
errant coral
Of course
When he does shockwave, quite often the other tank couldn't get back quick enough as I used intercept to get back. Aparantly I was too quick to get back
prisma crane
you know
for how much we prop up our aoe
its really just in bursts cuz
we're like bottom for max parses in aoe
mild vigil
For Fetid Devourer, are Punish and Heavy Repercussions worth it instead of Into the fray and Anger management?
Need bolster to block 2, so that's not being switched out
but 3% less damage instead of 6-15% haste for burst
undone sun
no
steel mauve
AM is much better
undone sun
punish vs. itf has always had that big if though
if you are always below 3 stacks then punish is defensively better
errant coral
I think am is much better
undone sun
but am is default
mild vigil
heavy repercussions though, each shield block could potentially block 2 thrashes instead of 1
short mist
is blockades trinket worth it for 20k
errant coral
Most definitely Fain!
short mist
kk
errant coral
It's the best trinket for a while
mild vigil
How many ItF stacks do you get on Fetid? 1 from other tank, 1 from boss. Others are 10+ yds away due to only tanks stacking?
short mist
i have a fathoms and a lion's streangth
sick sentinel
fathoms+blockades is sick tbh
errant coral
The 3% damage reduction is better imo
I have revans gleeming at 355 and blockades
Rezans*
Can I ask about positioning for Fetid?
Where did you find the best place to tank him is?
surreal stump
i tanked boss monk took trashes easy
sick sentinel
I haven't done any hc yet but I would think that MTing fetid is better for warr
frosty wedge
Is anyone else super annoyed at the artifact xmogging for prot?
sick sentinel
what do you mean?
static pilot
not super annoyed but it would be nice to mog the weapon and the shield separately. I like the hidden appearance shield but the mace is... not great.
frosty wedge
@sick sentinel to use the hidden artifact appearance shield, I have to use the 1H mace - the shield appearance isn't separate
earnest zinc
I don't think you can solo tank thrashes
As prot warrior
You instantly die if you can't keep up mitigation
sick tree
I mean like stacking with another tank in general
I notice some tanks have trouble with a double stack
But my partner is a brew
sick sentinel
@frosty wedge oh yeah I just noticed it
errant coral
The only issues I had is when it hit 50%
Shield block just isn't enough
You need more up for that
earnest zinc
Brew is the ideal thrash tank
sick sentinel
will we be able to do fetid HC with our double prot warr setup?
errant coral
Double protection? xD
That should be easy with all the shield blocks to be honest
Just rotate cds
You need to have mitigation for every one
earnest zinc
I got a feeling that brew is going to be required in mythic
errant coral
Druid can ironbark one of the tanks
earnest zinc
For that boss
frosty wedge
Yeah, stagger is super OP
earnest zinc
Every other tank will be one-shot
errant coral
I think they will nerf thrash a bit
raven kernel
Not sure if prot mt brew ot is better or the other way round
sick sentinel
maybe monk MTs before 50% and then the warr MTs after 50%?
that should probably work nicely
ember arrow
@junior ivy vendor/scrap
ember arrow
unless you got no other trinket at that ilvl
raven kernel
Tell him to gitgud
cinder nova
kek
undone sun
@junior ivy no
raven kernel
Prot dmg is significant lol
junior ivy
π¦ sad.
lapis tartan
How do you live the shadow of zul? dealing with it on 6 is just a death march
raven kernel
Are people soaking the circle?
cinder nova
^
sick sentinel
neither my disc priest nor my holy pala had a problem
like, you will not need CDs for the last boss anyway, it's an easy boss
provided you have shield block up during blade dance
and I am not a good prot, like I find it literally impossible to play the class without devastator
raven kernel
π± π± π± π±
sick sentinel
like the moment I first used the talent I felt so free
I can't take it off
send help
sand saffron
somehow just killed heroic devourer, literally no clue how
that boss felt like drowning and i was just barely keeping above the water the whole time
sick sentinel
did you get yelled up by your healers?
sand saffron
healers and tanks were pretty much yelling the whole time
sand saffron
he got like four heals off and we still managed the fight
strong hill
Is this where we talk about thrashes? I heard there were thrashes here
strong hill
I dislike the running thrashes personally.
sick sentinel
I have not felt that pain yet as I in I have not tanked HC, just did normal
And the thrashes there nothing lol
strong hill
Oh your in for a real treat.
chilly brook
Iβm pissed
Get a 370 in normal
Worthless trinket
Down mother in heroic
Loot a FUCKING GREEN BOE RING
this loot system is so aids
strong hill
^ I wouldnβt mind the ring for disenchanting
undone sun
π€¦
mild vigil
Patchwerk, Ultraxion, Butcher, Ursoc, Varimathras, Fetid Devourer. Tanks stand mostly still and need perfect mitigation timing or the raid wipes. Dps and healers do minimal movement and deal with simple mechanics. Dps must kill boss before some enrage timer.
What other fun gear checks are there?
bold gale
anyone else getting absolutely funked on by zul?
sick sentinel
fetid needs good positioning aswell xd
cloud bone
when you guys are on MOTHER are you guys usually the add tank or the boss tank?
astral crystal
When you hit p2 on zul itβs basically a burn or get dunked on stage
bold gale
what's the freq on his bleed?
ember arrow
@cloud bone our warr takes adds
bold gale
2 to 3. fighting him now lol
dear god... if you don't get EVERYTHING dead before zul becomes free it feels like this fight is WAY overtuned..
ember arrow
well yea
broken kite
chilly brook
Just dropped some logs in #449510248579858432 if someone wouldn't mind taking a look and coaching me up that'd be awesome π
My dumb self posted this in general
quiet relic
any one doing herioc fetidied and how the fuck you staying alive?
bold gale
I couldn't stay alive being the off-tank. You need to be holding the boss
quiet relic
even then seems the consistant dmg coming out is insnae im keeping ignore pain up and shield block up as much as possible
rotating CDs
ember arrow
yup
bold gale
yea this early around I think calling for cd's is pretty important
ember arrow
as does every tankthere
bold gale
utilize bolster and hope
fickle geyser
never take a hit without having something on
undone sun
π
weary notch
yeah, the timing on add spawns is so tight we couldn't phase him without adds up. I assume it's possible, but it didn't happen tonight
bold gale
on zul?
weary notch
yeah
bold gale
I'm gonna go with... spam 5's for titanforges and get ready for next week lol
weary notch
we were only doing normal, and the tank damage in P2 was still bonkers
bold gale
grats π
weary notch
gz
bold gale
Zul made me change my name irl to Phils Badman
junior ivy
nm it was a +4 im dumb lol
bold gale
hey. a 355 is a 355 π
junior ivy
true haha
raven kernel
It's OK to transition zul with a few adds up
If they are already damaged
Just don't transition with fresh spawns
Any adds that still live should be brought to boss and melted by melee cleave with lust up
Just don't buff boss with crusher
junior ivy
im in a +9 freehold, tanking it
daring patrol
after both zul and g'huun on heroic now, I definitely need a colostomy bag
cinder nova
Ready to kill myself
We barely cleared H Zek
because we spend 2 hours dying to fucking eyebeam
fathom field
elder steppe
Just posted my logs for Zul and ball boss
plucky ember
Alright so I'm an idiot for trying to have my brewmaster co-tank tank H Fetid Devourer while I tried to tank the Thrashes, yes? That was painful.
plucky ember
It felt good if I had block and IP up, but if I missed one it was just so difficult to get back into the rhythm
toxic scroll
As it should be
plucky ember
We're going back in tomorrow so I'll let him take the Thrashes and we'll see how it goes
cinder nova
I usually just lead with LS when tanking thrash
final mist
Leading with LS wastes SB charges.
cinder nova
Not if I don't use them?
final mist
That's wasting SB charges, yes.
"Leading" as in "starting with LS first on pull", right?
final mist
You'd be surprised.
Being the Thrash tank isn't too difficult - you have to play differently from the usual as every tank, and if you make a mistake, it's more difficult to recover from than a normal mistake would be.
raven kernel
Sb sb sb ls sb sb sw
raven kernel
Lol
junior ivy
someone in my group has dino mount
sick sentinel
Ask him for free gold
white flame
how many stacks do you get before you start cleansing debuff on mythrax
final mist
@sick sentinel No OT images here, take those to #off-topic.
You swap on Mythrax every time the Essence Shear happens.
sick sentinel
It's my freehold experience
white flame
seems there isn't enough orbs for the dps
final mist
DPS will never / should never be able to fully clear their stacks, nor should they have to.
The only two people who should be fully clearing their stacks are the tanks.
white flame
didn't say anything about fully clearing
final mist
@white flame That's what you do, though.
- Take Essence Shear, get a bunch of debuff stacks.
- Cotank taunts.
- Go soak a bunch of orbs until you're fully cleared.
- When cotank has Essence Shear cast on them, rinse and repeat.
The amount of stacks doesn't matter for when you start clearing. Whenever the boss or adds Shear you is when you clear.
surreal stump
i got a 360 bracers haste/mast and a 345 sword vers mast with socket from rares in arathi today
white flame
ok that makes sense Sal thank you
sick sentinel
Is there a reason youβd LS on pull? Trash packs? Or is there literally no reason youβd ever do it?
weary notch
no reason ever
copper tendon
Hello, i got to tank ghuun yesterday and got my face punched in. We got it down but it required alot of combat rezzes. Any good tips for tanking him. I tried to cycle my cds one by one but found i ran
out.
sick sentinel
Ok- I was wondering up there. Iβm new to warrior but always understand bolster LS to fill in the gaps between mitigation
weary notch
correct, but you always want to try and have one charge of SB on CD
so SB > SB > SB > Last Stand
sick sentinel
Or extend shield block-
Yeah. Keep one in the pocket, so to speak
copper tendon
Grats
sick sentinel
Grats man!
weary notch
on war, cat?
sick sentinel
My group hit the mother lode wall tonight. But I did get the mount schematic
weary notch
motherlode is the worst
weary notch
nice
junior ivy
took us 1.5 hours
we one shotted 3 of the bosses
and had 4 people for like, 30 mins, while one guys internet d/ced
weary notch
hey, that's what, a guaranteed 380 piece next week?
copper tendon
Impressive
junior ivy
i have a +20 freehold im gonna bring down to +10 to do this weekend lol
sick sentinel
i went in blind and thought that uldir was kind of okay with its trash
just one short corridor and one room between each boss and the first and second boss have like one trash mob to share
and then zul trash spawned
weary notch
zul trash is just way too much. It's all the same. You don't need that many packs of the same thing
raven kernel
We 4 tanked zul trash kappa
hard jackal
Question about ignore pain, should I care more about it (set up weak aura and see it visually) or its not exactly important anymore since we cant see min/max IP cap?
tiny sphinx
it's filler/rage dump, have to learn to use your best judgement with it
hard jackal
Hmmph. Oh well. Thanks then!
empty birch
heroic ghuun is super fun once you get through p1
undone sun
indeed
empty birch
that first phase is quite boring though
tired garden
anyone know if crystalline carapace trait stacks?
plain vapor
woo
fucking got zul down
he feels overtuned
did the cheese strat for him
seems to be the best way
hot locust
There is a cheese strat now?
raven kernel
Is that really a cheese
sick sentinel
you can also have someone tank one hexweaver far from the raid and cleave the second one on boss
it should die before it makes an ichor if your dps aren't slacking
raven kernel
Yeah cleave one down instantly and cc the other
ivory void
Is there an Azerite trait guide for Prot warriors?
sick sentinel
ivory void
Thank you sir
old zephyr
How do you Guys deal with guun'h adds in p2-3
next goblet
so i realized why i kinda felt squisher on muh war
i was letting spending more time than i should've w/o mitigation
now that i have these WA to monitor that shit
big difference
sick sentinel
should i get the darkmoon trinket, atm i got arms statstick trinkets
dunno if it would be better for m+ to have the heal from trink
round vortex
Thanks Sco... :/