both
#protection
grim prism
SB = guaranteed block
brave oar
what about using Desvastator instead of BV? 1 less gcd no?
daring marlin
Devastator isn't worth anymore, unfortunately.
humble schooner
I've been using it for now, having the additional GCD free for IP / TC or whichever is nice but probably switch to BV soon
brave oar
Just using devastate otherwise feels stupid
exotic finch
i have few problem that when dps deal too much dmg i lose agro on the adds
karmic sphinx
same
daring marlin
between SS/free revenge procs with the AM/UF build I rarely ever hit devastate.
brave oar
low dmg, low rage generator, gcd
karmic sphinx
rogues especially
brave oar
rip
daring marlin
IP too, of course
karmic sphinx
my guild struggle at it tho
grim prism
@brave oar dev is a filler button. You should not be pressing it often at all
exotic finch
arerite skill which is better then?
brave oar
@grim prism yeah but regardless, it feels like other tank classes got better fillers than prot warriors... have noticed that on m+ sometimes the lack of rage and sustain does hurt
sick sentinel
uhhh
grim prism
Lack of rage in M+ is probably a rotational error
daring marlin
idk about that
grim prism
You might just be deving too much
daring marlin
should be near overcapping with trash at least
I feel like I have plenty of rage at all times
grim prism
Yeah, same
I honestly feel like i have more trouble keeping rage down than keeping it up lol
daring marlin
pretty much
grim prism
Are you using devastator instead of bv?
earnest zinc
I seem to be squishy in M+ but I do 6-7k overall dps as prot warrior
grim prism
@exotic finch 1x deafening crash, 2x brace for impact
earnest zinc
It feels like you are tanking in dps gear
grim prism
My biggest problem is overlapping defensives
Blocking while demo is running, at times when it isnt exaxcly necessary
daring marlin
same lol
grim prism
Then getting spiky when i have nothing up
exotic finch
@grim prism other then that ? or that it?
signal plover
U need the single DC trait
earnest zinc
DC is MANDATORY
grim prism
@exotic finch the guide in the pins explains them all fairly well. There are alternatives
earnest zinc
You are a bad tank without it
grim prism
But one DC is a must
signal plover
U can use IF instead of BfI and there's a couple other ok ones.
earnest zinc
More than one is a waste though
The problem with prot warriors comes when damage isn't blockable
Especially ranged attacks
steel mauve
It still does really good dps to have more than one, but you really only want it for the demo shout extension
earnest zinc
Magic is bad, but not as bad comparatively since all tanks had their magic defenses nerfed to the ground.
grim prism
There are exceptions ofc
My rule of thumb is, if it's single-target physical damage, you can probably block it
Idk how well that still applies this tier but its worked well for me thus far
dusk locust
is "shoot" blockable? like on that one miniboss in king's rest (one of the four groups during that one encounter)
earnest zinc
The only thing BRM is good for is tanking thrash on the 3 headed guy
shut summit
Nope @dusk locust
dusk locust
trying to figure out a good way to handle that part
shut summit
That guy is fun on raging week š
earnest zinc
Only option is demo and IP
dusk locust
and i guess saving all rage for IP and not blocking
except for the raptor
but he channels once in a while i suppose
earnest zinc
Also Shield Wall (assuming nothing cancerous was right before or is right after)
grim prism
Obvious to some, but inportant to note that demo does not apply if you arent in range
shut summit
Yea of those 4 packs the archer is the worst, just use all CDs for it basically
dusk locust
that's about what i figured
daring marlin
How many of you guys have tanked G'huun?
shut summit
Got him to 9% heroic last nite, boi is bit overtuned
Killable I'm sure but feels like mythic boss
dusk locust
for fights where you're often kind of isolated (fetid?) are you guys taking punish instead of into the fray?
daring marlin
We didn't do him too much. Is it a stupid idea to have me running as the tank? lol
crystal heron
is there a way to increase block chance?
wide juniper
Thanked last night on normal. Working to him on heroic tonight
crystal heron
besides mastery i mean
grim prism
Nope
shut summit
Just tell your melee to stack closer in boss on fetid @dusk locust
dusk locust
hm alright
wide juniper
Get dat haste
shut summit
You can do it pretty easily @crystal heron
I would do it during p1 if were gonna have the tank do it, not when boss is active
daring marlin
Yeah, I figured as much.
shut summit
Err sry wrong ping
grim prism
I was mad confused for a second there
wide juniper
lol same
grim prism
So no increase in baseline block chance aside from mastery. Lol
next goblet
does anyone else get fukt by trash in freehold?
sick sentinel
Nope
grim prism
Depends on whether or not they decide to randomly throw me over five stacks of sanguine :^)
next goblet
well my group really liked to facepull extra shit
dusk locust
there's yer problem
grim prism
Youd get fucked by that in any dungeon
next goblet
and im over here like "YA KNOW I DONT HAVE SELF HEALS, IF MY SB GOES DOWN IM DED"
next goblet
i wish people knew that
next goblet
when it was controlled pulls
grim prism
Not the meme kind
grim prism
Yerp
grim prism
That would happen to any tank though
grim prism
Having to unexpectedly get snap aggro and then take on twice the amount of intake you were just dealing with
Feelsbad to any class
daring marlin
Freehold is my favorite.
next goblet
i hate it
next goblet
all my mythic horror stories are from freehold
next goblet
not a fan of underrot either.. motherlode im iffy about
daring marlin
and yeah, the facepulling is fucking fantastic.
Good thing I got three freehold M+ keys in a row!
grim prism
Havent done motherlode
daring marlin
fuck off lol
next goblet
im trying to get the helm from freehold
daring marlin
I want any dungeon that drops a shield.
grim prism
Cant wait to have to clear the entire goddamb dungeon
next goblet
and i still have yet to see a shield drop..
next goblet
300
i cant get a fucking heroic shield either
part of the reason why im leveling a BDK.. im getting fed up with this bullshit shield never dropping lol
tawny panther
Got lucky with a 355 shield but need the grind on my other tank still :(
digital arrow
i've been stuck with the same 315 shield for two god damn weeks now
i killed rezan on mythic +2 like four times yesterday with no luck lmao
if only any of the emissaries could sell a shield š¦
grim prism
I finally got a shield higher than 325 just in time for M+ to start
digital arrow
nice
next goblet
i feel like getting a better shield would make my life so much easier
because block stronker then
tawny panther
I did read my message after posting and it did come across a bit shitty lol so I take no offense
next goblet
lol
tawny panther
Why I rolled 2 shield tanks I'll be know
grim prism
Hows this for some bullshit: I've done 28 mythics, a handful of pluses, and every WQ for gear or a cache, and I just turned 340 last night
digital arrow
what the fuuuuuuck
tawny panther
That's just impressive
daring marlin
yikes
grim prism
My coworker has done twelve mythics and no + and he is 346
next goblet
im still 332 because i cant get azerite helm, shoulders, and a shield
tawny panther
I've done every mythic on lockout , no raid though, and like 4 m+ and I'm 343 on both chars. How did he make 346
digital arrow
i cant even get a 325 to drop from heroics lmao
tawny panther
That's with buying a deck and getting a 355 boe too
We got a decent set of MDT import strings anywhere yet?
grim prism
He has always had buuuuullshit goof RNG
Which is a big part of why he loves the casual-centric direction the expac has taken
I hate him so much you guys
irl ragecap
earnest zinc
RIP Master Loot (2004-2018). You will be missed.
tawny panther
Or some place to find m+ routes if not the string
fathom field
Just got a 370 trinket from doomshowl. My first item upgrade In almost two weeks
earnest zinc
I was stuck with a crappy quest weapon for a while until I farmed a bunch for a 1H
First day I did M+ I got both a 1H and shield
It was only +2, but still a lot better than what I had
fathom field
damn
grim prism
still rocking a 325 blue 1h
fathom field
lol
grim prism
Ive had three 340+ 2H in the past week
lost mauve
Iāve been stuck on a 310 shield since hitting 120
fathom field
my shield is heroic and my ilvl is 347
lost mauve
I tried chain running heroics to even get a 325 shield, no luck
Struck out on the 5 mythics that drop shields 2 weeks in a row
earnest zinc
You got to keep at it
fathom field
I refuse to buy it from the ah
If you cant get it from dungeons you may as well unsub
earnest zinc
You can also steamroll +2 as you don't have a limit
tawny panther
M+ is farmable now
lost mauve
Thatās my plan now
lost mauve
Iām just going to join key groups for dungeons that have shields in the loot table
tawny panther
I have yet to discover true m+ pugs. Only ran with some people I found in a random mythic last night so far and we pigged 1 dps
worldly tinsel
what are the best Azerite traits for Prot for M+?
tawny panther
Though we found d mages frost nova things in the sanguine etc so a full group of that...my god
lost mauve
I have run 4 m+ runs so far, 3 were with the guild and we cleared easily, the 4th was a pug and we missed time by 10 minutes
And the pug was on a +2
It was bad
fathom field
that is bad
earnest zinc
I might need a new guild as I was doing about the same dps as the locks in my group as prot
tawny panther
I missed time in a 5 and 4 tbh, learning some stuff at this point
fathom field
lol
earnest zinc
They were about the same gear
sick sentinel
Montherlode was a shitshow with %troops
abstract surge
why are we so trash
fathom field
lol
abstract surge
compared to all others
lost mauve
I didnāt notice it until well into the dungeon but one of the DPS and the tank in that pug had sub 330 gear on, and the +2 Tol Dagor ended up being the DPSās first run on mythic difficulty, because they got the achievement after we finished
fathom field
Pshh I'm spanking 2-5
sick sentinel
We cleared pretty good then we're like before the last boss with 10% missing lol
grim prism
How many others do you play @abstract surge
exotic finch
running dev feel quite ok on rage for me lol
grim prism
Kappa
abstract surge
just war
lost mauve
I know gear isnāt everything but Iām being way more careful about group gear now. I have no idea why people in sub 330 gear are trying to run keystones
fathom field
Ya dev ain't as bad as ppl say
sick sentinel
Gitgud @abstract surge š”š”
grim prism
Then a) how do you know others are better, b) how do you know the problem isn't you
tawny panther
I'm finding paladin signifanctly better. But I'm forcing myself to stick with war as my main technically lol
earnest zinc
From what I gathered, we aren't the best tank but we aren't unviable for mythic raids
tawny panther
Everything is viable yeah
next goblet
running dev still gimps you tho
fathom field
Man I don't want to raid on prot
next goblet
unless its a pure single target scenario
fathom field
miss one sb and you burn a healer cd
daring marlin
idk dude
grim prism
Im not saying we are the best tank, I'm just saying we are awful with no context for comparison is retarded
daring marlin
15% damage boost during demo that you can extend is better than dev alone
fathom field
Mythic+ isn't bad for us with the icy veins build
next goblet
@daring marlin you'll do more dps during a longer fight with devastator iirc, only single target tho..
fathom field
I don't have a shield and I'm comfy doing 4s and 5a
wheat bronze
The last mob before the last boss in King's Rest was entertaining on high levels
fathom field
I need that aoe dmg bonus from b on mythic +
Lose aggro to geared ranged dps
otherwise I'd run heavy repercussions and devastator because it's easier.
daring marlin
life without AM isn't worth living, friend
fathom field
ya
exotic finch
AM?
wheat bronze
Anger Management
grim prism
Good thing youll die without it lolol
fathom field
Its mandatory in mythic +
wheat bronze
Raids, too
fathom field
every other pull you are using ls
wheat bronze
You need last stand as often as possible to try to prevent gaps in Shield Block uptime
Active tanking fetid made me really miss legion warriors
fathom field
I mean heavy repercussions gives you almost 100% an uptime with devastator
signal plover
Oh god
fathom field
ite not as good as am though
signal plover
100% uptime on what?
fathom field
shield block
earnest zinc
Can you keep up some form of mitigation up 100% of the time with anger management (and of course DC)?
fathom field
Its better
ls is better than an. reducing demos CD is mandatory
that's why I run the icy veins build
gotta have that 20 second demo shout cooldown
earnest zinc
Not having something up thrash tanking on normal is a death sentence
heavy chasm
I must have shit luck. I have not gotten a DC trait ever yet. I hear it's going to change my life
fathom field
ya
heavy chasm
Might go seek out a lower ilvl piece just to have haha
fathom field
Doesn't it double the duration of demo?
fathom field
that's huge in mythic +
fathom field
Ya that's why am is so mandatiry
tawny panther
2 seconds per clap
heavy chasm
That's gross
tawny panther
It becomes 100% uptime in ideal
heavy chasm
I'm missing out
fathom field
the avatar t clap combo gives us a huge survival burst
I wish it wasn't mandatory so I could mess around with more specs
fathom field
I'm giving up 15 to have it
heavy chasm
Since azerite doesn't give you secondaries anyway
daring marlin
hm
steel mauve
Dc is worth 25 ilvls to give up
daring marlin
That's fun. I just did some testing on a dummy. I can keep demo up for 47 seconds.
20 seconds later I can cast avatar and demo again.
old dawn
def crash and good rage useage
daring marlin
^
old dawn
our demo shout uptime is unnatural
that's what makes us so strong
or one of the things
fathom field
what's your haste?
next goblet
wtb devastator buff
fathom field
I have 15 and I cant get that
chilly brook
I wish Devastator was baseline lol
daring marlin
š©
I charge, DS->something->avatar->tclap rotation and just use DS on cooldown.
Avatar claps will keep DS up until DS CD is done
abstract surge
do you just use Shield block whenever you can
chilly brook
So say avatar comes of CD 15 seconds before DS, delay avatar or nah?
I havenāt been
obtuse vale
So I've been looking at the pin for trinkets. But it doesn't seem updated for uldir, unless none of the trinkets from there are any good
daring marlin
My avatar and DS cooldowns are within 5 seconds of eachother with what I do.
It's gr8.
chilly brook
Until you get to Mythic and thatās like a strength gain
grim prism
@fathom field i'm gonna want to see logs of that "near 100%" block uptime
chilly brook
When you donāt get nearly enough haste š
junior ivy
hey i asked but didnt see an answer, is there dailies or something for this arathi highlands stuff?
heavy chasm
Just rares cat
junior ivy
really no quests or anything?
heavy chasm
And the once a cycle quests
royal oasis
grim prism
Yeah demo with DC is nuts, with avatar you can cast another demo before the first even falls off
obtuse vale
Got a 345 shield off a rare there
heavy chasm
Swaps factions every 3-4 days
grim prism
Iz nice
willow topaz
Has anyone here tried to off-tank on fetid devourer?
chilly brook
@grim prism yep thatās my experience
daring marlin
After my initial DS/avatar claps I have like 2 seconds left on demo so I can actually delay the next DS
grim prism
Yep
daring marlin
for another extension
chilly brook
@willow topaz nope main ranked it but Iāll be OTāing it tonight in heroic
willow topaz
I had major trouble generating enough rage in between the hits
chilly brook
You are losing out on rage from melee hits
ember arrow
Sb is only 35 rage no?
willow topaz
So thinking either you gotta rotate through your big CDs then thank swap
obtuse vale
Ya it was spoken when I ot it
willow topaz
Or warriors just aren't good for being the other ot
ember arrow
We didnt swap at all
chilly brook
Nah just probably have to be better with rage usage from what Iāve seen
obtuse vale
Spikey*
chilly brook
Itās gonna be spiked @obtuse vale doesnāt matter what class you are
obtuse vale
I didn't say it wasn't going to be
willow topaz
@ember arrow levkobut that's the problem I had, couldn't generate the rage quick enough for sb
obtuse vale
Just have to pucker up
chilly brook
What were you spending the rage on?
And why werenāt you hitting last stand in cases where you couldnāt SB?
red sun
Quick question, does Bloodsport stack?
fathom field
I have like 6-7 seconds of demo shout gap I think so I must be doing something wrong
Antone else rocking the molten core set with the skullflame shield?
chilly brook
@willow topaz you got logs for this?
shut summit
@red sun yes
red sun
@shut summit thanks man!
willow topaz
Mmm I would've been spending on IP but not when I realised I wouldn't have enough for block
chilly brook
On something like thrash overall mitigation is much higher for SB than IP
Yea IP isnāt gonna make much of a difference on thrash
willow topaz
No logs, was just a quick pug earlier today didn't have time for many tries
chilly brook
Itāll take ~30k off the hit
And when the hit is that big thatās just a waste tbh unless youāre for some reason overflowing with rage
chilly brook
New raid itās to be expected
A lot of the beta stuff is outdated and conflicting information
fathom field
ikr
steep lily
Are fetids attacks blockable if you're the offtank? Have been main tanking it cause I wasn't sure.
steep lily
Yeah, is that blockable?
ember arrow
thrash is
steep lily
Okay
dark junco
Can we get a BoP for trash?
Or will we be considered a non-valid target for the cleave
heavy isle
BoP works.
sick sentinel
You can
dark junco
Wow
shut summit
Yup
dark junco
Lol
ember arrow
its not based on aggro
sick sentinel
But you're a warrior so you're like the best tank for that boss
ember arrow
its based on distance
dark junco
Alright gimme pally
ember arrow
warr and brm are prob best for it
sick sentinel
Y
ember arrow
my group did it with vdh taking the thrash
ember arrow
doesnt matter on offtank
dark junco
^
sick sentinel
War probably better for the main tank so you don't die if you drop sb
Because monks don't drop iron skin ever
Xddd
ember arrow
he meleed for 110k in 30 man hc yesterday
thrash is 300% of a melee attack
which do u prefer
sick sentinel
Ye because damage scales really high in high raid size
ember arrow
which makes tanking fun
sick sentinel
If your healers are decent and know they have externals
sick sentinel
Yeah
ember arrow
everything is on the tanks
dont even need externals
2 healers focus main, 2 heal up offtank during 6 sec
ember arrow
i got nightmares from it
sick sentinel
Ursoc rending your bp?
chilly brook
When someone asks if a physical hit is blockable š¤
sick sentinel
???
ember arrow
Ƭt not always is
sick sentinel
Like half of them aren't
dark junco
^
sick sentinel
Even if it's melee physical
ember arrow
yes and?
fathom field
Makes me a sad panda
sick sentinel
And warrior sucks in m+ because you don't have 100% uptime on your mitigation or enough cooldowns to cover every pack
Unlike some other tanks
sick sentinel
It's manageable
ember arrow
Lala take this for me
hot locust
Yeah I dunno, havent had that problem in M+.
fringe marten
I will say this though; they came outta' the gate strong with the affixes this time...this weeks affixes suck hard.
fathom field
sanguine blows
sick sentinel
At least you only need one +10 this week
ember arrow
reason warr isnt ptimal in m+_ has nothign to do with his defensive capabilities
hot locust
I've just been farming 6's all day after finishing my 10 for the week.
chilly brook
Havenāt had an issue in m+ as a prot warrior
fringe marten
Sanguine is annoying..but fort/necro, ugh...always hated that combo.
sick sentinel
Imagine if they memed on you with those affixes next week
sick sentinel
Skittish necro fort when
warm pebble
I'm sure he cheesed it somehow too
sick sentinel
š” š„
fringe marten
You guys still using the normal raid build, or are you guys using dragon roar for M+ due to necro?
fathom field
same build here
sick sentinel
shut summit
@warm pebble we didn't cheese, lol
ember arrow
they did same thing in legion, class viability isnt represented by how many times it appears in the top 100
chilly brook
Why use dragon roar when you could just take a frost mage š¤
ember arrow
heavily implying
shut summit
Dragon roar is pretty bad next to UF @fringe marten
chilly brook
Thereās also fury warriors with a perma aoe snare
warm pebble
Thunder clap?
fringe marten
Tclap is only 20% snare, in smaller coorridors and dungeons it's just not enough.
sick sentinel
Then intercept you're healer
ember arrow
what problem?
fathom field
Let's wrestle
chilly brook
Itās enough to keep them slower than you or the same speed @fringe marten
grim prism
He has a point tho
chilly brook
Which means you can jump away and theyāre not getting to you
grim prism
Lol
ember arrow
if one class cant do something, you try to do it with others, thats kinda the point
I.E. bring frostmages
fathom field
frostmage is my mistress
chilly brook
In other words seems like we actually have plenty of tools to deal with necrotic without dragon
sick sentinel
That works too
chilly brook
For thinking necrotic was a good idea to counter self sustain tanks
fathom field
I'm gonna blame lenko
sick sentinel
Just don't blame your healer
chilly brook
Whoās lenko?
sick sentinel
Unless he likes to be dommed
chilly brook
Whoās Levka? š¤
fathom field
Ima blame mitch mcconell
chilly brook
Iāll blame asmonās hairline
fathom field
Ya that dude freaks me out
chilly brook
Dude Asmon is the greatest
fathom field
I saw his stream for the first time and I wanted to back hand him
sick sentinel
Why blame asmons hairline when that's basically your playstyle in bfa
chilly brook
Dude is actually hilarious
fathom field
ahaha
sick sentinel
Get aggro and recede
fathom field
noice
chilly brook
lol
fathom field
who's got the best transmog here
sick sentinel
Me
daring marlin
Iām having trouble finding a transmog I like so Iām just using the kul tiran armor now
Was using the zandalari stuff before too
too many years of the same mogs
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
chilly brook
Iāve been meaning to put a new transmog together
fathom field
I don't trust pandas
chilly brook
But then I find the centerpiece and nothing matches the centerpiece
sick sentinel
get on my level
chilly brook
Pandas are the most trustworthy
fathom field
sweet
I need a flaming sword. this is my flamer transmog.
The axe matches the tabard in game though
stoic kite
I think arena for a 1h wep reward is how ill finally get a weapon
stoic kite
just need to learn how to play arms
old night
I keep hearing horror stories that normal g'huun is overtuned. Is this someone accurate or did you guys find him to be easy?
going to be on him tonight and if we kill him go into heroic
fathom field
There is one guild that had beaten him on heroic that I see on raider io
stoic kite
Is 1800 a arena rating goal-point for an armor piece?
I thought I just needed 500 conquest points for the weapon
old night
we're on normal g'huun tonight, hopefully starting heroic taloc/mother
grim prism
That gets 375 in the weekly
old night
i heard heroic is rough tho
fathom field
Can you link the arena rewards?
grim prism
fathom field
Wow. How hard is it to get gladiator?
delicate prism
2400+ are typically the top 1% - 5% of pvpers
fathom field
So not prot warriors huh
wanton verge
gueess there are š
fathom field
delicate prism
you'd be lucky to break 1600 as prot tbh.
glad venture
Should i go vengance and Hr when progression?
fathom field
Seems like you need good items to pvp
plain ice
it's hard and it requires a lot of practice - also, you can't do it as prot @fathom field
fathom field
but the reward for pvp ia more good items
fathom field
Thought it changed in bfa
plain ice
azerite traits are the most important
fathom field
so that equipment mattered more
delicate prism
Trinkets and traits matter.
plain ice
no - this convo is probably better for #223972896219856896 though
fathom field
o ok
glad venture
That's what i thought, so BV and AM right? pretty confident that's my pick
timber nest
on rings, is it stats over ilevel?
grim prism
Yep @glad venture
@timber nest we dont have specific values for how much better secondaries are relative to each other, but the consensus is the stat budget on more than 5 ilvl is probably going to be worth more than any one secondary in particular
timber nest
@grim prism https://gyazo.com/422e6115d2ebf1b5fcae26825d875ea4 the 355 and the 340 haste/mastery
obv haste mastery is better, but the stam from the haste/crit ring is nice too
misty charm
Guys how good is Meticulous Scheming for m+ compared to reinforced plating?
rose summit
Hey all, just joined the discord recently and just did a nearly full clear of Uldir. Having tons of issues surviving, figure I should take a look and see what I'm fucking up. I'm unable to find any guide that has breakpoints for secondaries, and was wondering where I should prioritize gear. When running Into The Fray, I'm at 31% haste in raids probably 90% of the time. What % unbuffed should I start moving to more crit/vers?
I also blame my 300 wep
lol
grim prism
@rose summit its always haste > the rest, there are no breakpoints
Ilvl > all on armor ofc
plain ice
what ilvl is your shield?
grim prism
The pinned guide explains all
rose summit
I just got a 340 shield from Atal
grim prism
Post logs
plain ice
what shield were you using for your uldir clear?
plain ice
340?
rose summit
yes, socket too
plain ice
you said you just got it, so i assumed you got it afterwards
rose summit
I got it the day before raid yesterday
yesterday we started off back at Zul
cleared up to ghuun, had issues with the other mechanics of that fight, I wasnt really dying then
mortal carbon
devourer should a prot maintank it or monk tank?
rose summit
I mainly felt squishy during p2 zul and all of the devourer fight
fathom field
let me see the prot transmogs dont be bashful
rose summit
I should also mention, this is my first time tanking since...BC?
@fathom field I posted above
I haven't had great luck with drops, hoping to get some better gear with some M+ spam this weekend
clear sapphire
That's mythic spam..... 1 up in 12 runs with 3 total drops >.<
fathom field
^ same
rose summit
I'm so excited for RNGesus to show up
grim prism
My WCL isnt working š”
rose summit
I've had issues too Balsaq, it cant gen graphs
For ghuun and some of mythrax I felt like when I would taunt off the other tank, I would have to pop a cooldown and pray
I can barely get IP and SB up at the same time
rose summit
and then I get trolled and boss turns away for all of my SB
steel mauve
I know khira has been religiously working on the site, doing a ton for it, but keeps getting over loaded
rose summit
I imagine it's the load of the first week
so many people raiding
and logging
can I assume everyone is running Bolster? It doesn't seem like +10% hp is worth at all
20% sure, but 10% seems....insignificant
I'm sitting at ~170k buffed
while our DK tank is sitting pretty at 230k just about
cinder pasture
Yea no, stay away from indomitable š
rose summit
Yeah, just seems so stronk
plain vapor
its really good
rose summit
I've fucked up and used Last Stand and then a couple SBs lol
need to get out of the habit
plain vapor
i still do that...
rose summit
I made a weak aura that yells at me when I do it
smoky wave
I roll my eyes hard every time I do it. Hitting sb is in my muscle memory so I just so it
shrewd bronze
Does Moments of Glory stack?
plain vapor
btw did anyone else pop hero at start for MOTHER in heroic and just burn her within the first two chambers?
didnt even need to go into the third chamber
fathom field
Let's see the transmog pics. Show me your sexy shields.
plain vapor
smoky wave
I'm rocking the zandalari stuff atm. Been amani troll set for years. Excited to try get some rattling bone gear cheap for blue amani troll stuff
plain vapor
we are just ruining this fast moving conversation right now
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/proudmoore/Jeffray @stoic kite you can see all the pieces on my armory
merry cave
Not dark iron š
stoic kite
thx
merry cave
I wish mag'har wasn't awful I've got a race change sitting there since the sale lol
Maybe zandalari or vulpera will be neat
grim prism
Theyre like orcs except bad!
merry cave
I love the dark skin option but not worth the change
merry cave
7 or 8. I'm away for studies tho atm so not pushing hard yet
fathom field
6 was easy
merry cave
We also lost our teams healer and finding a new one is rough
fathom field
6 pug
abstract surge
can you link your armory morg
twin hazel
Sanguine has been a bitch for all the keys we've managed to get š
merry cave
I can when I'm back home :)
twin hazel
Siege of boralus was supposed to be easy
abstract surge
or just write ur character name + realm
twin hazel
but you got gunners shooting in pools of sanguine
abstract surge
easier i guess
twin hazel
and they dont like to move
merry cave
Yeah tol dag sanguine wasn't a joyride
twin hazel
toldagor was too cramped š
abstract surge
I just need this week to be over. i hate sanguini
twin hazel
and all the prisoners you have to kill and little non elites
atal dazar tho ā¤
its the dream
merry cave
Yeah it's those non elite little shits dropping puddles
Yeah we hoping for a 10-11 free or atal
twin hazel
but anyway whats the best place to farm for a weapon?
twin hazel
oh man storm is just aweful without affixes
merry cave
Storm is the one dungeon I will admit is a lot easier on my dh
smoky wave
Atal has a 1h doesn't it?
merry cave
Silence sigil carries that place
fathom field
Can you send a private message in this?
smoky wave
Cool, know where I'm going when I get a chance to play
merry cave
I'm really hoping I can push tourn realm on war again but got my dh ready lol
glad venture
15+ ilvl even tho i lose haste and a socket?
https://gyazo.com/7ade519941cf1bb6995b0befe885a5ed which? Not sure if i can even sim it.. So is it worth going with 15+?
glad venture
Right
fathom field
I'm not the expert though
But look at the strength stam increase too
Anyone do fortified shrine? was tough
waycrest sanguine was insane. You don't have enough room to move
white yoke
Spent a lot of time in waycrest pulling back to bigger rooms
grim prism
355 is absolutely the way to go
Even 5 ilvls worth of armor and stat budget is going to be better than a socket
15 isnt even close
fathom field
alex your character is op
timber nest
hmm https://gyazo.com/67f95d44501fe16477d435c9d96aa5be think a 2nd crystalline carapace is better than lifespeed?
daring marlin
I donāt like sanguine in this expac in general.
timber nest
better yet, does it stack?
vocal nimbus
@fathom field fort shrine is fairly easy
vocal nimbus
I spammed it because the casters of my guild wanted that 2h staff
old night
Morning all, I had asked this last night but I just wanna double check for timing.
When using SB. I have 2 charges. I was told/read that you should use one, and keep one on deck and never double stack. Does this mean pop the other when it comes up or pop the other before a big hit such as fetid's 4th attack?
grim prism
It adds duration, stacking doesnt apply
fathom field
lightspeed is a terrible azerite trait
old night
yeah i know the duration is extended and doesn't stack the effect
I just mean, i was told to not double up SB off the bat
and to have one on deck
fathom field
lifespeed.
timber nest
@grim prism was that towards me or filmstrips?
grim prism
The wisdom you heard was probably more about not sitting on 2 charges while being meleed
grim prism
@timber nest filmstrips. Idk if it stacks but crystalline carapace is better in a vacuum
@old night well if you arent actively facetanking then you wouldnt use it at all. You just want to make sure you always have block running while active tanking (i.e. taking melees)
old night
i see
grim prism
Also note that Bolster turns Last Stand into a blocking cooldown. THAT would waste SB if you doubled them up.
But it is impossible to overlap two SBs. They just add duration
grim prism
Np
steady cedar
@timber nest what addon is that putting the traits in the tooltip?
also, what are everyones thoughts on raiding so far as prot? how the rage gen feel?
willow wraith
mother on 30 man heroic hit hard.
grim prism
I have only done m+, but in general i find excess rage to be a bigger problem than starvarion
willow wraith
gaps in AM were very noticeable. Had to call for externals
and let teh first take hold her for 15 secs or some when we first switch rooms
grim prism
Incl on bosses
pulsar crown
I have a specific question on choosing an azerite ability. Is there another resource besides wowhead or can I just ask?
grim prism
Well there is the icyveins guide in the pins, but iirc wowhead just copypasted that
So if that didnt answer then I suppose ask
pulsar crown
I am choosing between Callous Reprisal and Incite the Pack. The mastery from Incite the pack is nice but I am already sitting at 34% Mastery.
grim prism
CR is better
timber nest
@steady cedar azerite tooltip
steady cedar
thanks!
pulsar crown
I guess with procs and the short CD, CR will be no problem to maintain.
grim prism
Basically if it isnt in the guide then its not really worth taking from a defensive standpoint
And yes, maintaining CR is borderline effortless
pulsar crown
Alright, I appreciate the advice. Thanks.
steady cedar
so quick question regarding the rage gen'd from attacks... since its gone to rage per melee and not rage per dmg, has the amount been scaling with the dmg of the melee hit?
i know it seems like i answered my own question but i hope someone understands what im asking
grim prism
Yes
Rage gen and melees taken is linear (disregarding rage gen from your own attacks)
steady cedar
so for easy numbers... if a melee of 20k gens 10 rage... a melee for 40k gens 20?
grim prism
No
steady cedar
melee taken* sorry
grim prism
If taking 3 melees generates 12 rage, then taking 6 melees generates 24. Doesnt matter how much damage any indicidual hit caused
steady cedar
so im missing how it would sustainable on a progression fight atm
i mean, i know we have a ton of defenses.. but
just seems like rage gen would be way too low to suffice for progression
grim prism
Well itll be less than in a dungeon of course
scenic crater
so my guild downed heroic fetid last night. anyone got any tanking tip on that? was pretty rough
grim prism
But if nothing else, it's consistent
steady cedar
thanks @grim prism
grim prism
Probably not what you wanted to hear, but youre welcome lol
keen spire
when you pop LS with Bolster, your SB charge adds to the block chance, pushing into 100% critical block territory š¤
near sundial
is there a haste breakpoint for prot?
keen spire
depends on talents, but from personal play, I've noticed getting around 40% haste makes things feel the most noticeably improved.. after that it just gets better until you hit like 80% haste and things get kinda silly.
That's with Into the Fray
5 stacks
uneven mason
So was anyone else having trouble on Myth with his melee hits?
I felt like I was getting wrecked hardcore, started checking my damage intake every pull, namely blocked damage - noticed that he was bypassing block with shield block up.
keen spire
weird
uneven mason
His hitbox is fucked up, he'll hit you in the back if you're anywhere near his middle
grim prism
@keen spire no
uneven mason
you have to back the fuck up
grim prism
@near sundial also no
grim prism
Crit block chance is purely a function of mastery. This isnt legion
uneven mason
@keen spire The old "Rollover into critical block" was a cataclysm mechanic
its gone now
mild vigil
Is there any addon that adds bolster duration to the icons above your hp bar in the middle of your screen in normal UI? And IP shield amount on icon.
I got the weakaura for IP, but the icon is big and over my character instead of small and over the hp bar.
grim prism
Precisely @keen spire
grim prism
Lol
keen spire
@mild vigil you can configure the WA stuff if you open them up
they should be scale-able and resize-able
grim prism
@mild vigil you can drag WAs around and resize them from the WeakAuras menu. You can also make a duration progressbar for Last Stand (aka bolster) from the templates
Or do an icon and enter "%p" for the text
vast agate
is the section for traits on icy veins accurate?
grim prism
Yez
mild vigil
The hp and rage bar with SB and IP duration move to be near my character, follows camera and terrain etc. Can WA do that as well?
grim prism
Not easily
vast agate
I just found it odd that it said the best piece from dungeons was Ashvane's warden cuirass, when harpooner's plate cuirass should be better according to the trait tier list
delicate prism
How badly would i be gimping tanking ability by tanking general azerite traits instead of prot-specific?
vast agate
it depends if you want to do more damage, or tank better
grim prism
Anywhere from slightly to extremely
vast agate
just make it your #1 priority to get deafening crash
uneven mason
the damage does, the DS effect does not
jovial forge
Anyone had difficulty tanking the adds outside Vol'kaal inside atal'dazar ?
grim prism
@vast agate maybe because the third ring trait? Youd have to ask an officer
uneven mason
@jovial forge Kite that shit once they start barfing
Like, build some aggro, while the WD die, and then book the fuck out of there down the stairs once the totem dies
grim prism
There is going to be some wiggle room anyway depending on what you have deafening crash on
uneven mason
The primary defensive ability for tanking the barf zombies is [Heroic Leap] with [Bounding Stride]
delicate prism
Wait. Deafening crash adds 2 seconds per clap? Not a one time increase of 2 seconds?
keen spire
Yep
uneven mason
per clap
uneven mason
hence why you can have 40~ seconds of uptime on DS during Avatar (basically DS - extend during avatar, DS again when it fades)
delicate prism
holy smokies
uneven mason
thats why DC is the only trait that is worth keeping over an itemlevel increase
astral harness
clap trait missed the nerf pass since nobody plays this spec
delicate prism
lmao
keen spire
I hope it doesn't get nerfed
uneven mason
its funny because its true
keen spire
it's like a more fun version of the antorus set bonus with battlecry slam spam
uneven mason
I mean, in the long run, DC being nerfed wouldn't do a whole lot to us, its not game breaking
keen spire
in my opinion
uneven mason
it'd just make us take 1.2m less damage than a equally geared monk
rather than 1.5m less damage
grim prism
It sure is nice thougj
delicate prism
well the other traits are so boring
keen spire
I like brace for impact
uneven mason
but then again, I'm resistant to being pigeon holed into any piece of gear
heavy chasm
I'm literally trying to get all my plate wearers together to give me the helm from freehols
So I can swap out my fortress trait and keep my two brace
keen spire
Iron Fortress is also probably my favorite trait in the game, ngl
heavy chasm
Sad I gotta do another 0 but hey DC seems bae
jovial forge
š¦ 7 mythic + still no 1h
grim prism
Try 27 mythic and still no 1h
Shit could always be worse as long as you arent @grim prism
I nolifed the first three weeks and just hit 340 last night
old zephyr
blood siphon or earthlink, assuming main trait is the same?
grim prism
@old zephyr pins
grim prism
wintry ermine
people using devastator in raids?
simple kiln
Guys, prot off tanking Fetid Devourer is fantastic. Way too much work to solo it, but also really satisfying when you get it down
uneven mason
Bloodsport, I can honestly see...being handy in some parts of Uldir, the amount of non physical damage certainly puts the bonus absorb to use.
Some of those DoTs really overpower your base IP fast
lapis pasture
@simple kiln heroic or normal fetid devourer?
prisma crane
@wintry ermine Yea, for pure ST it's technically a dps gain, but general consensus is that the gain isnt worth the surv loss compared to BV. And in AoE, BV is more dps
lapis pasture
Also I had a question for something that may help offtanking heroic fetid devourer. I was thinking about taking Indomitable over bolster because you can't parry his thrash so having the flat Hp increase might make it somewhat less difficult to offtank
Or is bolster still worth it for simply giving 60 seconds off last stand as well
lapis pasture
I thought bolster gave you parry not block
uneven mason
@lapis pasture Bolster gives 100% block chance for 15seconds (for the duration of last stand) Indomitable will get you killed on fetid as it removes a huge source of block uptime.
lapis pasture
Oof
uneven mason
10% More health when Thrash without block is going to hit you for 150% of your health pool means you're still 37% dead.
lapis pasture
Yeah I kept bolster for my attempts at fetid regardless but yeah I misread it and thought it was parry
uneven mason
Ravager is parry
THat is the reason why we don't use ravager
(I mean besides AM being insanely strong)
prisma crane
well, parry would be the only reason you'd use ravager, since it sure as shit isnt used for its dmg, and yea, AM/HR are better, and AM still better than HR
uneven mason
Parry isn't reliable, doesn't actually solve any of the issues we face š
So @lapis pasture, for Fetid there is a secret
its a well kept one
but - you tank swap when you run out of CDs
if you run out beyond that
call for a BoP
if you run out beyond that, have a paladin come stand on the tank and bubble
externals too
Thrash hits the closest tank regardless of immunities
closest target to the tank*
lapis pasture
Was doing heroic on a pug the players were potatoes
oblique quarry
how many ilvls is worth lesser stat combos?
lapis pasture
Mother was pretty easy got it in 2 attempts
uneven mason
Item level > 2ndaries for armor slots
lapis pasture
When watching fatboss before the raid came out i thought MOTHER would be the pug killer
uneven mason
rings - high haste /vers is probably 5 over haste/crit vers/mast 10 over vers or mast /crit
oblique quarry
so if i have a haste vers 340 i should replace with a crit mas 345
upper spoke
how can alliance reach zuldazar (horde islands) at level 110?
upper spoke
oh i was hoping to bring a new toon there for a profession thing
uneven mason
Yeah I think you'll need a few friends to lock summon you there
you won't have any "Safe spots" either iirc
gotta unlock all them bases.
uneven mason
Don't do that
So, Warriors are all about being proactive
you watch for your CD gaps
inland mesa
Did people 3 tank zul heroic?
uneven mason
and scream like a scalded cat when you need an external
Tank swap until the tanks are out of CDs, then go to externals
then go to CHeese
(You can use BoP and Divine Shield)
inland mesa
Going in for the last 3 on heroic tonight, we cleared normal last night since our priest healer was moving D:
uneven mason
@inland mesa Careful on Myth - I foundout last night that his hitbox is slightly different than it appears, his "front" is actually like 2 feet in front of his nose
I was getting trucked because we had him near a wall - he was hitting me in the back
even though he was in front of me
stay near the outer edge of his circle.
otherwise he's gonna whack you for 70k
inland mesa
Did you finish all 8? Did you 3 tank zul for lower tank dots and help with adds?
And thanks good to know. Wonder if that's why on normal he would randomly punch me harder
fierce halo
at how many stacks of omega vector should tanks swap at heroic vectis?
inland mesa
Tanks don't get omega vector, you mean the dot? Believe we were doing 2
Unless I'm not remembering correctly omega vector is the bouncing dps mechanic
fierce halo
ty
plain vapor
mother will not be a pug killer at all
just pop hero at start of fight
end it in 2nd chamber
can be a pug killer i guess if the leader doesnt coordinate who goes over
inland mesa
We ended it in chamber 2 on normal, but heroic already?
unborn karma
Is protection viable for mythic+ pushing to 10s? Or are we dog shit?
inland mesa
@fierce halo yeah looked at our stuff, tank dot is evolving affliction taunt at 2. We did snore static just made 3 camps and make sure an omega vector buff is bouncing around each camp
Tanks don't get stacks as more we have more evolving hurts
wind hare
for mythic+ | 340 rezan's eye (205 str, chance of 599 haste). Or 350 Revasaur Skull (225 str, chance at summoning a dino)
I'm thinking +20 str isn't worth losing the haste chance
shut summit
@unborn karma yes can do it
simple kiln
@lapis pasture Sorry work slammed me. Heroic Fetid I solo tanked it the whole time.
old night
340 rezans or 370 lions strength (arathi trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=161474/lions-strength&bonus=5119:1492).
Running one of these alongside a dmd: blockades
simple kiln
I abused a few things, in asking my Mages / Hunters to take a hit or two while my shield blocks stacked up. Last stand can safely take two hits, just use a warlock cookie to make healers not hate you. Shield Wall can also take two hits if you time it right. Demo shout is not enough to take a hit (or wasnt for me at 343 ilvl)
inland mesa
Did you have no melee?
inland mesa
Solo tanking it with melee should kill them off 1 by 1 o.O
simple kiln
ohh I mean solo tanked the swipes
Like, main tank just kept Fetid the whole time and we didn't swap at all
zealous ingot
we did it with a monk as off tank
shrewd bronze
Guys, is hoping to tank mythic uldir progression as a warr too much?
simple kiln
Monk OT is ideal, but we are a warrior pala combo so!
zealous ingot
no, but it was tough
inland mesa
Yeah that's what we did until fetid tank didn't move him to a postule and I got distracted and didn't cd a thrash :-/
silent current
cuse if i fked up 1 GCD i was dead
simple kiln
As warrior you can't mess up at all, AND you need external support.
silent current
Fun 2 know-_-
simple kiln
Paladin bubble @ 50percent helped us a ton. I just got bubbled and took two hits while raid started the burn
Paladin bubble can take 2 hits, Hunter Turtle can do 2 hits. So as a warrior utilize them to take a couple of hits here and there and you /should/ be fine. (Except the boss still hits us for 75% of our health)
inland mesa
Were other people bothering to move him on postules
silent current
making it sound like its a cakewalk man XD
simple kiln
We didn't move him at all, tanks + tank healers sat static. Then raid just killed 1 postule, ignored the second
Oh it's hard. I imagine Warriors have to work a little harder, but it's possible with solid timing
silent current
So SB alone is enough 2 take the slash from fetid
dusk locust
what's the bare minimum for that
silent current
thrash