There's something likable hearing the shield slams and blocking
#protection
vital wren
old zephyr
Never had any "oh shit" moment but had hé did get some
radiant tendon
Does anyone have rough stat weight values for pawn for a quick at a glance estimation of upgrades?
undone sun
don't use pawn
old zephyr
Except J'en the logs says they don't =)
sick sentinel
shit bdk then
vital wren
How worth is darkmoon tank trinket for Uldir btw?
old zephyr
I don't think so
zealous crest
Just got pauldrons from Mythrax. Should I get Archive of Titans or Iron Fortress trait?
radiant tendon
Thanks for the help
vital wren
For some reason I kinda like Iron Fortress more
zealous crest
😄
old zephyr
Toping AoE chats in à 30 Man raid, feels good Man
zealous crest
guys, what is this Reorgination Array that I have if I pick Archive of the Titans?
sick sentinel
it gives you more stats in uldir
tacit storm
best talents for prot?
lapis pasture
First tier Into the Fray. 2nd tier is up to you. 3rd Unstoppable Force. 4th Bolster. 5th up to you. 6th Booming Voice. 7th Anger Management
Thats what im running
undone sun
covered in the pins
vital wren
@lapis pasture the uptime on Demo shout even with timewarp/heroism is insane with this combo, going full offensive with Avatar + TC -> Ignore Pain / SS proc
^^
timber nest
Anyone wanna talk about how shit warriors are with necrotic?
sick sentinel
just leap away
you can bleed everything and clap a bit before getting out
enemies are slowed, taking damage so you dont lose aggro and you have 3 ways to get out
undone sun
stuns and kites like always
merry cave
Wars are by no means the worst necrotic tank
amber siren
worst necrotic tank is bears isn't it? with the whole limited kiting options
lapis pasture
I haven't done a necrotic just yet only had Sanguine on my +4
Sanguine is annoying as fuck in Tol Dagor
sick sentinel
that's because sanguine is always shit
lapis pasture
Yeah but like that tiny ass tunnel after first boss lmao
lapis pasture
Group didn't seem to grasp that
sour osprey
So soo how did you do on the first wing of the raid ? As a tank it worked pretty well for me, only the 3 headed boss was a bit hard because of the pretty high damage
sick sentinel
the cancer starts when you start fightig humanaoids
and they start running into blood
amber siren
my fav on taldagor is damage clipping through the cells and them proceeding to teleport put sanguine everywhere
stray wedge
Imo sanguine is one of the easiest affixes, but it is very annoying
The fleeing mobs in Tol Dagor were particularly irritating yeah
sick sentinel
yeah it's easy but it eats up so much time if you don't have a druid or dk and a caster decides to plant himself in ten bloods
you can try to put yourself between the mobs and bloods and hope they don't flee through you
stray wedge
Not really - typhoon and grip are both very useful but it's extremely rare that you are unable to LoS or outrange a mob to make it move
But they certainly do make it easier yes
old night
should IP be looked at as a rage dump?
i read this on the guide and was confused slightly
"On single-target, you will generate a decent amount of Rage, but you will rarely ever get close to capping out on Rage unless playing incorrectly."
amber siren
Yep IP is a rage dump
old night
so if I'm at like, 90 rage, I have SB up, and an SS proc i generally hit IP to dump some rage and bank off the proc
is that correct?
i just got confused by the wording as I do get close to rage cap usually when ss procs and only casting rev on free
empty birch
real quick off topic question. can i change my name to my character name in this discord only?
old night
yeah, right click your name and hit change nickname
but yeah, i suppose im doing it right. I usually try to use IP as both a rage dump and a blanket when SB is gapped as my cooldown for it rn is 16 seconds
obv with SB on priority of the two
static lance
That sounds about right. I have a different problem where I sometimes use IP too much and don't leave enough rage for SB.
empty birch
hmmm I don't think I have permission to change my nickname on this channel so I may need to have someone else do it (if any mod is looking at this I am Drogan-Boulderfist) Back to prot stuff. For me, IP usage has become a bit more complex due to the addition of the gcd. IP is definitely a good rage dump when you are concerned about the damage intake so you are doing well there.
static lance
Rage management is a thing in BfA, something I have to get used to again.
empty birch
I added additional functions to my rage bar that changes the color based on what I can use. Red = rage < 30, blue = shield block, orange = IP, green = 70+ rage (shield block and IP available)
old night
@static lance same
im trying to figure out if im fucking up by double stacking SB
or having one stack up
empty birch
With the removal of RFDT, rage management is key as @static lance stated
old night
and using a second stack on deck
empty birch
don't double stack
static lance
Yeah, don't double stack. There's a bit of a pandemic timer on SB, but it's like 1 sec or something, not worth it.
old night
kk
my idea rn and rage management corrections im trying to fix with myself is basically to have one sb up with one on deck
old night
avoid rev on st unless its free, and take the saved rage and funnel it into more and stronger IP's when I rage dump
hopefully thats the right thinking. been reading the guide and trying to see what i was doing wrong
static lance
no, that's about right.
static lance
sometimes, depending on the fight, I Rev instead of IP to rage dump, cos i'm not taking a lot of damage and/or the pack is about to die.
old night
yeah, that seems fair too
i think I'll have more IP uptime now because of my rotation change
tanking fetid really had me think about what I was doing wrong. he was destroying me
static lance
Sco has a great WA for IP, where the absorb value turns red if you're at the IP cap. So you know you shouldn't use IP again (because then it will just reset the shield).
old night
Yeah, I use khakhan's that does that
its a godsend
its the main WA suite I use. been using for a while now
anyway, off to bed
thanks for the input @static lance
take it easy
static lance
no problem, hth
empty birch
imo the indication of IP overlap is a bit overkill and takes your attention away from your SB/Last Stand timing. My reasoning behind this is that the reduction of the IP cap reduces the need for you to overlap any IP casts. So if you have one stack IP you should be okay unless your IP is at a lower value
empty birch
same
raven kernel
Easy to visually tell how much I have remaining
empty birch
I took the code from the IP tracker pinned in this discord and put in an progress bar
static lance
the one i have works for me /shrug
empty birch
left text = IP value, right text = Remaining time
top left bar = IP, top right = SB progress, the two bars below are the SB charges, and the rest are explainable
still in the works, but trying to get a WA pack together that can be utilized by anyone
sour osprey
Wow it looks really nice
sour osprey
You did it with which addon ?
empty birch
the unit frames are Shadowed Unit Frames, and the rest is simply WeakAuras
I actually also used bartender to handle the bars but they are hidden in combat
sour osprey
Weakaura can also do bars ?
raven kernel
Yes
sour osprey
I especially like the bars of charge for SB, i don't know how you did to separate the first and second SB stack but this must be so useful
empty birch
Here is my current, in development, weakaura group https://wago.io/r1rUSwCw7
sour osprey
Thx !
empty birch
you are very welcome. if you have any questions about it feel free to ask. i was planning on making a guide and a finalized version before I posted it but if it is useful why not share!
sour osprey
i will definitely do ! I really want to master the way of the war prot to shut the mouth of every one that say they are low tier 😛
empty birch
people will always say that but as long as we can block we will be just fine 😃
elder steppe
They are low tier, but that’s what makes them fun to play.
Got a question, how did your guild handle tanking Fetid?
empty birch
I don't believe them to be low tier. Shield block will be absolutely crucial come mythic.
Unless they nerf the auto attack damage from the bosses
sour osprey
Just yesterday when e finished the first wing of the raid they said i did well but i still received big damages
empty birch
Heroic Zul hit me with a 100k autoattack when my shield block charges were down
brave jetty
I was going to ask about Zul. What're people doing with positioning on the adds there? I'm seeing some groups starting to cheat a bit with cleavers not separated.
Crushers*
empty birch
You can actually slow the intake of the hexers on Zul by sheeping/ccing as they come in
brave jetty
We've been doing that
sour osprey
We did 1 try on fetid, 9% then we called the raid off because it was midnight, the tanking was pretty easy without the omega thing on us
elder steppe
When I say low tier, I encompass everything. Public opinion, raid damage, boss damage, and utility.
empty birch
but you have to make sure to delete them before any others come in
brave jetty
One is always sheeped until the other is dead
Crawgs I always have on top of Zul
And other tank always has crushers outside the group
empty birch
what is the issue exactly?
empty birch
Yeah that does become an issue if there is not enough dps
brave jetty
Especially come the p2 transition
empty birch
Are you lusting phase 1?
elder steppe
For Zul, couldn’t you tank the crusher on the boss until he cats? Isn’t his buff on a timer?
empty birch
you can
brave jetty
Yeah lusting on pull
empty birch
keep the crusher on the boss until 85 energy
elder steppe
Yea
empty birch
80 energy to be safe, then pull him out
elder steppe
Guess the difficult part is figuring out the range
empty birch
as long as you pull him to the edge you will be fine
elder steppe
Cool, I’m starting on Zul here in a few hours
empty birch
trying to find the edge of that 30yd range ring is difficult so as long as you give yourself enough time to pull the crusher to the edge the raid will be safe
elder steppe
Any tips would be greatly appreciated
empty birch
3rd phase is a bit rough on tanks as the scaling with larger groups seemingly increases the boss damage?
3 tanking is definitely a possibility on this fight as it allows the tanks to take only 2 stacks of the tank debuff in the final phase
empty birch
uuuuuh
elder steppe
Yea that’s what Death Jesters did today
empty birch
wtf
ember arrow
I used it 2 days ago
elder steppe
But that is unfortunate
empty birch
If we could actually block the damage from the debuff we would be amazing in that final phase but we are in the same position as we were when we fought M Ursoc
empty birch
the dot applied is physical damage
empty birch
and you cannot block it, so your damage reduction is reliant on your armor and your CDs/External CDs
elder steppe
Ok, I’ll have to sort externals then
empty birch
That would be the best bet. Figure out an external rotation and you should be fine if everything is handled correctly
sour osprey
Did the war tank already reached top tier in tanking in the past ?
vocal nimbus
Everyone used 2 warriors in emerald nightmare
empty birch
Prior to the Cenarius nerf
vocal nimbus
IP was too broken
empty birch
IP was amazing at the beginning of EN lol
vocal nimbus
Focused rage playstyle was fun too
empty birch
I did really enjoy that
They should have replaced Focused Rage with Heroic Strike or something
made devastator baseline
devastate is incredibly out of place with the changes in gcd
elder steppe
Yea the whole rotation feels off. Granted I have tanked on my warrior since H LK
I don’t have much experience with other classes, but it always feels like a choice between damage or survivability
Outside of TC and Demo shout
empty birch
That's the exact issue I am having with the spec right now
Demo and IP need to be off the gcd
elder steppe
I’m not to concerned with Demo shout cause it gives rage and dmg reduction.
empty birch
The problem there though is that if you did not choose that talent it would not give you rage and therefore would be a damage reduction skill
elder steppe
But IP just feels wrong, having to choose between that and a SB or TC just to provide a little absorb
sour osprey
And also in the end it is just lasting 1 or 2 hits on raid boss or big MM bosses
for a pretty high cost in rage
they should put the cost down a bit
elder steppe
Yea
empty birch
yea the rage cost of SB and IP are a bit much
maybe make IP have a range of 20-40 and shield block 20
and increase the stack of IP to x2
elder steppe
Doing that would also help increase our ST dmg
Less rage spent more rage for damage
sour osprey
and overall the war tank is harder to play than BM monk for example
elder steppe
My ST damage is a bit lacking I noticed. That’s mainly cause I’m trying to pool for big hits and mechanics
It wouldn’t bother me if all tank were that way, but my DK counter part was above me by 1.5k outside of AoE
empty birch
Our aoe can be absolutely insane with avatar and unstoppable force but I will agree with you that our ST is a bit lackluster
especially if you're trying to ready yourself for a mechanic or not misuse a gcd
elder steppe
See how I do today on Zul, looking forward to this fight. Feel like our hang up might be damage
Think we are two tanking as well
empty birch
if your group is small the final phase will likely be easier on you as the debuff is apparently scaling with raid size (not confirmed)
sour osprey
As long as the tanks remained untouched the fight is not that hard
we did 10% on first try
i got only 7 stacks
and we could have win if some dps with debuff didnt rushed in the main group X)
This boss is mostly a challenge for dps and healers not really for tanks in my opinion
sour osprey
One boss really funny as a tank is the three headed boss
The terrible thrash is really fun because when you see a dps getting to close to you --> ded
elder steppe
Yea I offtanked Fetid, got one shot at 7 percent
I feel like I would be better off MT that fight
Since my health pool is lower
sour osprey
This was my feeling at each terrible trash https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456882483284148235/487023985637326858/Darksouls_stomp.gif
sour osprey
But overall the first wing is really fun to tank 😄
vocal nimbus
A bit too simple imo
elder steppe
Yea
vocal nimbus
3 fights without swaps out of 5
sour osprey
Yeah sometime a bit simple
elder steppe
Tanking adds on Mother 😴😴😴
vocal nimbus
Tanking mother 😴
sour osprey
Which one is it ?
frail tangle
Hello guys. Quick question, i see on our fight log that my prot warrior co tank is only at 1-3% shield block uptime on every boss. I guess something is wrong right?
frail tangle
ok thanks for the answer!
indigo bobcat
Tell him to tone down his IP/revenge spam? SB is main AM
vocal nimbus
Its easier if you post the log and people here look at it
undone sun
1-3% is very low for just about everything
indigo bobcat
Wouldn't that be more in line with legion prot? Didn't play prot in legion but wasn't IP>all?
frail tangle
just took a look at the replay, he is spamming devastate shield slam and reveng only
undone sun
sb was still the main mitigation that you'd use in legion
it hasn't changed
IP just absorbed a lot more than it does currently inflating numbers
sick sentinel
wtf hw
indigo bobcat
Ok. Got the answer on what he did wrong anyhow 😂
sick sentinel
how do you achieve 1% uptime
sick sentinel
you need to press it once in a 10m fight
i mean if you're fighting shadow of zul but for 10 minutes then i guess maybe it's okay
jaunty ermine
hi everyone quick question. how many ilvls is a socket on a ring worth. ive got a 340 socketed ring and a 355 unsocketed ring. both have crit/mastery
indigo bobcat
Poor healers
frail tangle
taloc NM, only use ne time at the end of the fight, maybe a miss click... but ok i'll teach him, thanks for all!
one*
ember arrow
@sour osprey warrior are much better vs thrash than a dk
sick sentinel
u ok
sour osprey
Yeah i agree but even with the CD when you see the big hit on your life bar it feels bad XD
shrewd bronze
Guys, have you tanked Shrine of Storm at least +5 this week? Those god damn water bolts hit 20k everytime, the fuck is up with that
solemn kelp
IT'S MITIGATION TIME
round vortex
@jaunty ermine I’d say if the 355 has main stat as crit then the 340 might win out with a haste gem. But even then maybe not. Can you post a SS of them both?
shrewd bronze
@solemn kelp Oh mitigation time, like... Our current shitass ignore pain and 4sec uptime 20sec cd spell block?
fathom field
I tanked fortified shrine st +2
ember arrow
20k isnt much
shrewd bronze
They literally spam water bolt for 20k each hit
ember arrow
thats literally an autoattack
fathom field
It wasn't that bad except it was annoying
shrewd bronze
Well, that's their autoattack, yeah
round vortex
I have a +19 temple key 😳
shrewd bronze
And they usually come in packs of 2 to 4
fathom field
whoa
solemn kelp
Uh... abort rallying cry, abort...
shrewd bronze
So that's 40k/sec
fathom field
That would make me cry
sanguine way rest +5 was the worst I've done
so hard to see in those dark halls
shrewd bronze
Like that pack with 2 of those bois and the big water elemental is a super pain in the ass. When he throws you up into the air you cant do much about the water bolts being cast anymore
round vortex
Lol I went in and tested it. Mobs had 1.5M hp and I got 3 shot through last stand lol
shrewd bronze
Any real tips on how to tank that pack? Except you know, CCing the casters and taking down the water elemental first
Cuz that was just a +5, can't imagine surviving through that on a +10
mortal carbon
about fetid we have a monk tank and prot warrior monk offtank and prot main tank?
solemn kelp
I'm at a loss also, best advice I can give is to drink heavily.
shrewd bronze
How are you guys feeling overall in +5's this week? Compared to other tanks, that is
fickle kiln
why warrior tanks have the lowest hp tho?
mortal carbon
+5 is fine
shrewd bronze
Cuz we have ignore pain, i assume. But then again that'd be a retarded reason
fickle kiln
I see DH/DK sittign at 200k+ hp while im at 165k
shrewd bronze
Even more now, considering how ignore pain is kinda trash
raven kernel
We mitigate way more
shrewd bronze
I mean, physical, for sure. But magic?
raven kernel
Dh extra hp is pretty meaningless for most situations
mortal carbon
warrior is fine recovering from fails is a problem for prot
fickle kiln
im thinkign about pickign somethign else over Bolster
shrewd bronze
Oh, i wouldn't. Bolster is much more valuable than any extra Hp
humble mason
I feel like bolster + AM is one of the greatest combinations ever
fickle kiln
yeah same
fickle kiln
running 1/1/2/3/1/1/1 for talents
humble mason
Probably one of the best panic buttons in game right now
fickle kiln
for M+
shrewd bronze
Btw dudes, honestly. How to cope with stacking poison/bleeding debuffs? Such as Boralus' packs before the giant boss. By the time i generate enough aggro to start kiting shit's at 5 stacks at least
And when i'm kiting i can't generate that much rage to cast ignore pain back to back and keep up with the dot
humble mason
I would use a cool down. LS or demo shout would probably work
Do you use anger management?
shrewd bronze
Yep
humble mason
Then just throw out your cool downs whenever you want. You can demo shout almost every pack
Same with last stand
shrewd bronze
Yeah maybe being too conservative
humble mason
The only one you should conserve is shield wall
sick sentinel
you can easily generate a lot of aggro with just clap rev
shrewd bronze
Only struggling with undispellable dots/constant magic, I'm doing fine otherwise so far
sick sentinel
well that's what warrior cant mitigate
shrewd bronze
@sick sentinel our outlaw was bursting 20k on AoE packs right off the bat, the clap wasn't doing it for me 😦
Even though he was missdirecting
sick sentinel
he has evasion
humble mason
I feel like that's his fault.
sick sentinel
let him kill himself
shrewd bronze
lul
But yeah, not being able to mitigate dots/magic is kinda annoying currently. Especially with so many trash applying them
Or at least self-heal
Would you guys attempt to tank every mythic uldir progression with prot warr?
Or is that just not viable
ember arrow
no tank has enough self heal to be relevant in raids
except bdk
also, what do u mean, you cant metigate dots?
SW, LS, DS, IP, SR
humble mason
Aren't warriors still on top?
shrewd bronze
I was talking about Mythic+ @ember arrow , not raids. Where 2-3 packs of mobs may have the same heavy hitting dot on fortified weeks and high keys
You won't have SW, LS for every one of them
sick sentinel
Then you die
sick sentinel
Warriors are bad in m+
ember arrow
uhh
you will have SW
its on a 2 min cd
same as LS
also, you should cc them, or kite them
as all tanks do
shrewd bronze
Yeah, kiting is the way to deal with it
sick sentinel
It's stupid how blizzard wants to remove tanks kiting but keeps forcing you to kite
shrewd bronze
That's the point though
They fuck our threat and make packs impossible to tank, kek
sick sentinel
Watch ion lower threat even more
shrewd bronze
No it isnt
sick sentinel
Because warriors do tons of damage
ember arrow
i dont even paly warrior
shrewd bronze
Right, you thunderclap, start kiting
Your dps burst the shit out of the mobs. Play better?
And if you stay there for 2 thunderclaps
That's some easy 4+ stacks of dots and shit
flint nexus
Lol when your dps start warbreaker bladestorm you don't hold that shit
shrewd bronze
What?
ember arrow
isntead of classes with utility or not melee
flint nexus
Shut up that was an example
shrewd bronze
Cuz its one of the best fucking dps for keys?
flint nexus
But yeah let's pretend we only play with 3 different class because we're all MDI players
ember arrow
how is taht relevant?
flint nexus
How is the fact that you don't even play prot warrior relevant
Like I don't think your input is needed
If your input is just "git gud"
shrewd bronze
Well, BFA aint legion mate
sick sentinel
in d3 they realised that having to kite or get oneshot isn't fun so they made dps the requirement to completing a grift in time and you have to figure out how to get enough mob density to kill things fast enough
shrewd bronze
Your info is outdated
sick sentinel
But in BFA DPS is basically irrelevant and dying will kill your key instead
ember arrow
how is my info irrelevant, if someone says that we cant metigate magic, bleeds
shrewd bronze
I mean, DPS is still pretty relevant in tyrannical
ember arrow
when thats false
flint nexus
We're talking about threat
you say it's the same as legion
yet you haven't even played
ember arrow
it feels the same
shrewd bronze
It's not the mitigation, it's the threat lol
flint nexus
Not a warrior
shrewd bronze
"I play a dk, lets talk about warriors"
ember arrow
and i got no issues wit threat
flint nexus
Do you want me to point you to the dk discord ?
ember arrow
you press one aoe ability, you gain threat
shrewd bronze
Yeah
flint nexus
Damn thank you man
ember arrow
indeed
saying that classes only matter if youre an MDI players is strange, since a class that performs better overall, will be especially good for worse players
shrewd bronze
Lemme go ahead and block your dk advice, this aint the dk discord
sick sentinel
Idk I don't have trouble holding threat
ember arrow
since its more forgiving and easy
flint nexus
Ha yes because this is what I said
shrewd bronze
Nobody said that, really
round vortex
Levko always toxic. It’s a fact.
flint nexus
Yeah class don't matter until a certain level, everybody knows that
ember arrow
"But yeah let's pretend we only play with 3 different class because we're all MDI players"
flint nexus
Because that's what you fucking do
by saying you don't bring arm warriors
yet we weren't talking about +25 keys
but it was a general discussion
yet your argument is "why would you bring arm warrior lul"
shrewd bronze
^
round vortex
You could take an arms warrior to the best key. They are meta right now.
shrewd bronze
EXACTLY
flint nexus
See, even better
shrewd bronze
That's what i said earlier
flint nexus
But that's not even the point
shrewd bronze
Who the fuck said to do that with all melee and stuff dude?
flint nexus
Holy fucking shit
shrewd bronze
This dude
sick sentinel
Bladestorm
flint nexus
You're always bringing something more
round vortex
I don’t know how to justify that. Except Jdotb said it and I think he’s more qualified than anyone here. Given that he’s arguably the best M+ player in the world
flint nexus
lol
round vortex
@flint nexus All of the above lol
flint nexus
Yeah I'll just stop "debating" with him
flint nexus
No no
shrewd bronze
No
shrewd bronze
You're missing the point (yet again)
sick sentinel
At least the room before second boss is fun with all melee
flint nexus
you change the subject or bring something else up
ember arrow
you do care if i agree
round vortex
@ember arrow can I say something constructive to you that’s meant not to offend but help you?
shrewd bronze
The thing is that you keep adding your own shit into someone's else arguments
ember arrow
you are arguing wit me
ember arrow
go for it baratus
flint nexus
I was arguing until I realised you were a moron that only cared about trying to prove people wrong
ember arrow
if people are wrong
shrewd bronze
You'll have the right to talk about prot warr when you play one. Until then, please, go back to the dk discord
flint nexus
You don't
shrewd bronze
Cuz your info is outdated
flint nexus
You come here saying you don't( play prot warrior
shrewd bronze
And you're just looking like a fool
flint nexus
Saying that "w/e why would you bring arm warrior lul"
And saying that tank threat feels the same as legion
when it fucking does not
shrewd bronze
If threat feels the same as legion for you. You're playing with shit dps
Its that simple
round vortex
I spend a lot of time in this discord. More than a large % here. I am yet to see you value add to a discussion. And even if someone is wrong (in your view which is wrong enough that I’ve seen) you jump down their throat and come across toxic as shit. I have never once thought “wow that dude was helpful” because even if you are right - you sound like an asshat when you do.
My 2c - maybe work on the delivery. @ember arrow
flint nexus
But that doesn't change the fact that it's harder to hold when a dps goes crazy than in Legion
round vortex
Again my opinion only. Of the perception I have from onlooking and even debating with you once.
flint nexus
@round vortex I mean, I don't think he cares, he probably sees himself as almighty/edgy and people don't get it
you know iamverysmart material
round vortex
^^^^
flint nexus
Anyway, see you later
round vortex
That supports what I’m saying. Again I could be wrong but it’s my perception bro and looking at it - not the only one
round vortex
Lol there’s the proof. Anyway me too. I don’t want a response. More just to think about what I’ve said. Back in an hour lol
errant coral
does resounding protection trait stack?
sick sentinel
Yes
undone sun
just about every trait stacks
resounding's shield stacks but that's it, the duration is static
shell night
How do people find G'huun? I'm finding taking more than 6 stacks a bitch. 8 stacks was just a bit to close for comfort
ember arrow
i think 5-6 is a comfortable moment to swap if possible
shell night
Think ill stay around the 5 mark. We killed it going 6-8 but it was a bit hairy tbh
round vortex
@shell night he has no DR on taunt as well. For our kill we just taunted on CD if you had any active mitigation up. Usually was about 3-4
humble mason
In my experience, threat is harder to hold but you won't have an issue if you don't stop hitting the pack.
As long as you keep using abilities you'll always be ahead, but if you just run away there is a chance you'll lose threat, which never happened in legion.
merry cave
Even on my dk (which feels much lower aoe dps than war/dh) I haven't noticed threat lol
fathom field
What kind of shield transmogs you have?
lunar spade
anybody has a bis azerite traits for high m+ pushing ? Or is it just the same as the ones for raids
zealous ore
@ember arrow Threat isn't an issue
ionic fern
Ofc it ain't. 🤷
crude pond
is there any Uldyr boss where I should use Heavy Repercussions instead of AM?
frank wagon
tips for mother hc? i'm taking so much damage 😦
undone sun
@crude pond no
@frank wagon to what exactly
mostly melees with the strike being avoidable
crude pond
thanks , can you suggest what potion should I use for Uldyr?
undone sun
strength
vocal nimbus
Str
keen yacht
vocal nimbus
Move away from it
undone sun
yes
frank wagon
yea
vocal nimbus
Or aim it at someone you dont like
frank wagon
@undone sun it's the melee damage, like sometime she hit for 78-80k 😦 is that normal?
frank wagon
sure
crude pond
@undone sun You mean Battle Potion of Strength, which increases str by 900? why not that of stamina?
undone sun
strength is more effective
vocal nimbus
Stamina isnt really needed unless some mehanic one shots you through all your defensive cooldowns
And strength also gives armor
native quartz
Been AFK for a bit this week. How is everyone finding m+?
frank wagon
crude pond
then Flask of the Vast Horizon is not recommended either?
vocal nimbus
No
vocal nimbus
@native quartz very bugged
sick sentinel
I'll shank you irl @raven kernel
raven kernel
ill block it
sick sentinel
Critical block
static pilot
still 20% shanked ^^
tawny panther
That is more shanked than most would like to be
vocal nimbus
@frank wagon everything looks normal
How many people in the raid?
Damage scales up with people
static pilot
Yeah, I feel like shanking is really a binary condition - you either got shanked or you didn't
final mist
The scaling on heroic is really odd / off.
vocal nimbus
Is it bugged too? Still havent done hc
final mist
15m feels fine, 30m feels like I'm getting smacked by two Mac trucks from multiple directions.
vocal nimbus
I did NM yesterday in 30m
prisma night
thanks @raven kernel that'll show em for thinking shields cant tf
vocal nimbus
And some things hit really hard
final mist
I haven't encountered many bugs in Heroic other than HotP still being bugged.
But that's a Paladin issue.
final mist
I'm unfortunately unable to watch that at the moment.
junior igloo
Heroic raids always scale with number of players.
Tank damage is usually similar in H~27 as it is in Mythic.
vocal nimbus
Basically, we had a guy with the dc bug
Which kicks you instantly when you log in that char
final mist
Ah, that happened to me
vocal nimbus
We kicked him to go on, even waited for his char to leave the raid
undone sun
yeh, happened on tuesday to a hunter
vocal nimbus
Filled in with another guildie and pulled
He then went to do something with his dk
And his main appeared in the middle of the boss
Instakilling everyone
Because we were 31 people inside
final mist
My Pally was DC locked, kicked him and logged in to my warrior, then swapped back and it was fixed.
undone sun
yup
vocal nimbus
The thing is that his main appeared in the middle of everyone when he logged his alter
final mist
Yikes
vocal nimbus
Fun wipe lmao
fathom field
What's the highest key y'all have made it to?
vocal nimbus
I still didnt try to get past +5
orchid osprey
How is prot in m+? Was considering leveling my alt but wasn't sure
vocal nimbus
I will push at the end of the week
fathom field
Seems great to me.
final mist
I haven't had much time to do M+, but I'll be hitting it hard this weekend.
fathom field
Hitting it like a teenage Tommy chong
What's the best gear y'all have gotten from the raid?
final mist
People in my raid have gotten fairly high titanforges. I've only gotten two azerite pieces.
vocal nimbus
Ive only got one 355 in normal
whole harness
any tips to dealing with berserkers in king's rest ?
fathom field
sal can you link your armory?
final mist
My Warrior's or my Paladin's?
Armory is bugged and not showing my artifact shield on the Paladin, but it's the PvP appearance.
static pilot
Sal, you mentioned earlier you're not enjoying Prot warrior in BFA. Could you elaborate a little bit on that?
final mist
I do not enjoy IP being on the GCD, nor do I enjoy being completely reliant on healers. I enjoy Avatar/DS and the damage and all that, but I just enjoy Paladin's play style and the utility it offers more.
final mist
Ex. On Zul, you can immune the debuff off, so I'd take 4 stacks, zoom out and Divine Shield myself immediately to drop the blood pools and get rid of all of that damage, then do the same for my co-tank when he hit 4, and repeat with our other two paladins' BoPs
primal crypt
My holy refuses to heal keys when I'm on my warrior now...its unfortunate
ember arrow
i mean, i dud fetid on dk, i was reliant on healers very much too
even though i was top of the healing page 
final mist
Also being able to do other things like LoH, Sac, freedom, etc, all of that is enjoyable.
static pilot
Hang on guys, let's let Sal finish his argument
undone sun
protadin is also pretty reliant because hotp is bugged haHAA
raven kernel
i'm vanilla boi
raven kernel
being reliant on healers is standard to me
final mist
If IP was off the GCD, I'd be back to Warrior in a heartbeat.
undone sun
100%
tawny panther
I am in literally the same boat sal. As I'm sure many are and it makes me sad cos I really want my warrior to be my main.
static pilot
Did you main warrior in legion?
primal crypt
Mannn...if IP was off GCD mannnn
primal crypt
We would all be happier
tawny panther
I did a +5 last night, think it was temple. Then did runs on paladin and it's such a contrast
prisma night
or alteast make it strong it enough to be worth a gcd
final mist
There have been times where I've played other classes for small periods of time or alongside my Warrior (ex. I played Paladin often in HFC too), but my warrior has usually been my main.
prisma night
if they wont change the gcd part
fathom field
paladin is easier on +5?
static pilot
Okay, final wuestion: if you could have a beer with the Warr Prot design lead and he asks you what your warrior wish list is, what would you say?
tawny panther
I felt I could just close my eyes and win compared to warrior
raven kernel
with current balance, IP going off the gcd might make bad players even worse and tank the skill floor for prot
primal crypt
I try to do the same pulls on my warrior as my dk, not a good time lol
final mist
Even with my gripes with it, my warrior is still my "main alt", so I'm going to keep it reasonably geared so I can still play it.
My wish list is very long
And everyone has heard me talk about banners too often
fathom field
damn
tawny panther
I'm keeping both maxed out but the new 9nce per account stuff in arsthi might go on my paladin noe
final mist
So I'd just say Devastator baseline and IP off the GCD
raven kernel
@tawny panther arathi stuff is not meant to be once per account
there was a blue post
primal crypt
Banners :)
tawny panther
I know it's not meant to be but figured be over a week to fix
heavy chasm
Imo IP is essentially meant to be used for anger management. As the absorb is so weak ass for the gcs
tawny panther
My pally is a level or two behind warrior in ap so won't hurt to catch up
static pilot
Hm... Those changes wouldn't change the warrior reliance on external healing
tawny panther
Aside from having a much higher ehp you mean?
final mist
No, but they'd solve my personal enjoyment issues with the class.
tawny panther
It lets you be self reliant 8n bursts like during healer drinking pulls more
final mist
Ex. The GCD is too cluttered - IP being off the GCD alone would solve a lot of that.
static pilot
No argument there
tawny panther
Current gcd breaks the class, you can't get the ss benefit of SB during Ava with TC spam etc just jarring
Like it's flawed design
final mist
It feels too cluttered and clunky, claustrophobic trying to fit in TC and SS on CD, and free Revs, and IP, while still hitting DS and Avatar at some point
smoky wave
Am I the only person who doesn't mind IP on the gcd? I have no issue with it. It's not an oh-crap button, and it means I have to actively make a choice between offence and defence gcd use?
dull granite
I'd take avatar and demo shout off of gcd over IP
tawny panther
On pull feel nicer but overall IP off would feel way better
heavy chasm
It just feels underwhelming to use is all when it locks you out of a GCD and gets absorbed in like a hit
Which is why I feel like it's essentially just their to reduce the cd of your shit by 4 seconds
smoky wave
the issue isn't the gcd, it's that it feels a bit rubbish to press
prisma night
either take it off gcd , or make it worth the gcd spent
undone sun
well imo the gcd is definitely part of it
heavy chasm
It goes hand in hand
undone sun
partly because it costs a gcd and doesn't really do a whole lot it doesn't feel impactful to press
nor rewarding
smoky wave
keep it on the gcd, make it feel good to press.
worn stratus
I’ve gotten used to it on the gcd but I do wish it was more powerful
static pilot
I get that the GCD is a hot-button topic but let's move on for a sec - you mentioned "nor do I enjoy being completely reliant on healers."
heavy chasm
I mean I'm going to play warrior regardless, but it would be nice if it felt even okay to press
static pilot
Legion warrior had pretty decent self-healing (relative to other tanks), partially because of legendaries (bracers)
lunar sparrow
Does LS+Bolster successfully handle Terrible Thrash?
final mist
That's more of a problem I have with the current state of tanking than it is Warrior specific.
prisma night
i think thats in part cuz ip is only 50% now. if need be ip doesnt even have the chance to save anyone even in relatively low dmg momments
lunar sparrow
Or is it not a true melee hit...
final mist
It's Blockable, red.
heavy chasm
I guess I'm fortunate I didn't play legion enough on my warrior to get bracers to get that false security blanket
lunar sparrow
ok cool ty
worn stratus
All tanks rely on healers now some more than others but I don’t get that argument about us at all
prisma night
how arent we reliant?
vital wren
I think he meant we are
heavy chasm
Warriors are literally the proactive mitigation tank. We have one reactive ability in last stand, but it works better as a semi proactive cd with the bolster design
vital wren
True
heavy chasm
Every other tank has some form of regeneration hence why we are most reliant
final mist
I loved being able to basically do my job and let the healers focus on theirs, and it was enjoyable for me to have it be noticeable when I did well and when I didn't. It's completely 180'd - and part of it is the fact that healers are still getting used to it - but there have been multiple points in the raid where I've just been repeating, "Healme" in voice over and over until I'm stable again.
smoky wave
been levelling my blooddk, cos I'm a heathen, and it feels nice that my mistakes aren't mistakes but just how it plays. We're as reliant for same level content it feels, but it's just punishing if you make a mistake/when SB isn't up.
vital wren
We are more reliant but the damage taken is less spiky compared to other tanks
worn stratus
But they also take more damage as a result of that regeneration
vital wren
I see that as a +
prisma night
yeah i agree sal
final mist
I despise being 100% reliant on someone I can't control to stay alive, no matter how much I trust them (and I trust my healers).
prisma night
i dont trust mine and i despise not having more control
heavy chasm
Hahaha ^^
vital wren
Haha lol true story
static pilot
how does the lack of self-healing affect you when you're doing world content?
prisma night
i had 3 healers group around the blood dk in phase two mythrax adds
smoky wave
my wife made noise about trying resto on her shaman and I'm trying not to be too overenthusiastic about her healing me.
prisma night
meanwhile i didnt get a single healer near me
final mist
As a Warrior, it's mitigated by Victory Rush.
raven kernel
here's a contrasting thought, on my vdh alt i also feelt super reliant on my healers cos i have practically no defensives to use when im getting trucked, and my self heals arent what they used to be in legion
final mist
Outside of that, it fuckin' sucks, but that's always been Warrior
static pilot
but Victory Rush is reliant on killing blows - do you intentionally pull non-elites as well so you can get procs?
final mist
No Rei, all tanks need to be hard focused on tanks, that's consistent across tanking
undone sun
4 hours
final mist
Also yes I do
undone sun
anyone could do that
worn stratus
Yeah anyone saying other tanks aren’t reliant hasn’t played them in any meaningful way
static pilot
I saw that - there are 4 warriors in the top 100 and 4 DKs in the top 10
kudos to that guy though, keep on trucking
round vortex
hells yeah - so there is hope haha
final mist
I do need to step away for work though, so I'll be back later.
primal crypt
The shadow of zul man
static pilot
see you later Sal, thanks for answering my questions 😃
heavy chasm
The fact isn't the other tanks aren't relient they are less relient
primal crypt
we had to blow CDs on my warrior
heavy chasm
Big difference
primal crypt
feels ultra bad
wooden dove
quick question, i have 1 DC and 1 BfI azerite traits on 2 of my azerite gear, on my last one, i have options of another BfI or a Meticulous Scheming one
should i take the second BfI or a Meticulous Scheming for extra haste
prisma night
id take bfi personally
compact sigil
isnt the current recommendation 2 BFI 1 DC?
wooden dove
among the prot traits, yes
cloud bone
where are you seeing the top keys done?
sick sentinel
🙄
robust bronze
i saw i Preachs video his POV when tanking and he played with devistator, is that something we want or still booming voice?
static pilot
afaik booming voice still ranks ahead, but the rotation can feel better with Devastator
gives you more gaps to fit in IP without feeling like you're wasting DPS
robust bronze
ok, cuz with booming voice you useally do alot of aoe dps i have noticed
sick sentinel
devestator will give you lots of empty GCDs
compact sigil
hmm, that raises an interesting question, what about devastator over booming voice for raiding? Where your damage doesnt necessarily need to be as high
static pilot
I'd still take BV for the rage tbh
undone sun
defensively bv is better in all situations
offensively deva is likely better on ST
but even then
it differs greatly from player to player
just look at current logs
vital wren
One thing I love about a prot warr, simple little trick - mouseover Intervene macro on other tank/raid/party member for extra rage when you are rage starving and desperately need a quick IP
It's not much but hey every rage counts
Can be tricky with unwanted debuffs headed your other tanks way tho, so be careful
Intervene shouldn't be underestimated, it's kind of external cd and u can easily help out with some dmg taken
Just talking my mind here, don't mind me ahahah
prisma night
if you mess up you die
round fox
Anyone got a quick note or screenshot of what they use for keybinds? I find my keybinds clunky and figure before I get going with mythic tanking that I get some tips...
vital wren
That's the downside
round fox
I used ot have a focus healer intervene macro.
heavy chasm
Mouse over intervene in nice for shit like.mythic underrot with the fixate mechanic
smoky wave
the talent for intervene is super fun for mythic islands. Super helpful.
heavy chasm
Reduce some.damage drop a Tclap to help em out
vital wren
Yeah a neat spell that ppl forget sometimes, I like that u can help out like this
heavy chasm
I remember when charge and intervene were not built in lol
vital wren
Yea dude lol
heavy chasm
Gotta say I like the built in better haha
smoky wave
Last stand still has a 6min cd in my head.
heavy chasm
Yeah still feels kind of odd using it so.liberally lol
vital wren
Cause the OP blocking
smoky wave
Were there 2 charges of charge in wrath and 1 intervene? I remember pinging about a lot as I used them all gathering trash and just getting about.
vital wren
I think u had to def stance dance for intervene, I might be wrong
smoky wave
you did, my wife says watching me play was like watching someone play a piano one handed. I'm glad they removed stance dancing, but it was a lot of fun
heavy chasm
Right
frosty wedge
man, I miss stance dancing so much
round fox
Zerker stance for onyxias fear
wary crystal
I think I still have all my macros for spell reflect and whatnot
heavy chasm
For all them fears swapping to zerker rage
frosty wedge
@round fox trying not to get gibbed stance dancing nef's fear.
while he had a windfury totem down.
lol
heavy chasm
Hahaha oh my god yes
heavy chasm
I was a healer back in those days
frosty wedge
haha, lucky you. "oh, nef gets a bubble for a bit"
heavy chasm
Was scary as shit.
frosty wedge
not, nef procs windfury and instagibs your tank.
round fox
patch 1.1 windfury gibbed..
frosty wedge
remember when swapping aggro required you and your offtank to be communicating?
round fox
I feel like I'm talking like we are a buncha war vets... how sad is that.
frosty wedge
like, trading off on huhuran
round fox
Vael you mean?
frosty wedge
naw, vael was easy - you just died
round fox
true
frosty wedge
lol
round fox
keeping 1234 threat was the hard part there
smoky wave
We never made it past huhuran. I still don't like wasps.
frosty wedge
huhuran had that crazy poison, but I guess... you could just have both tanks doing as much threat as possible and BOP the one that had aggro to drop the poison and reset his threat
frosty wedge
lol
smoky wave
running joke for me and my wife is everytime we do rfk now the nr leather gloves drop. we spent hours and hours farming that with no luck.
frosty wedge
hahaha, yep that sounds right
heavy chasm
I remember having a God damn clown get up on my paladin for huhu
Nominated soaker woo
Cloth, mail, leather who gives a shit just NR
frosty wedge
yeah, so much NR gear
heavy chasm
I think with aspect of the wild I had like 350+ was kinda nasty
frosty wedge
man, I kinda miss how hard some of those fights were
heavy chasm
I remember when BC dropped
And everyone ran to their bank and pulled out their FR gear for nazan
frosty wedge
c'thun required 40 people to actually be competent and be almost flawless for like 20+ minutes
junior igloo
- pre-heroic raiding
- hard fights
choose one
heavy chasm
I think that's the appeal of high key m+
Is that to actually succeed you need people on point even though it's 5 opposed to 20+
I'd like hard fights
heavy chasm
I do appreciate the flexibility component
Never got the emps down as current content
round fox
I made the realization last night that my group are no longer "good"
We're just lazy now
expect someone to tell us what to do and when to move
14 years is a long time to play a game together...
heavy chasm
That feel man
round fox
hugs
smoky wave
heh. only people I still play with from back then are my wife and her brother. He's still as impatient as he was back then, I'm just better at letting him die and grabbing the mobs before they kill everyone else.
heavy chasm
I'm jealous you still play with some of your originals haha
I have like one or two people instill play with and none of them are healers anymore :( gotta rebuild that trust haha
sick sentinel
Miss my original healers/arena mates. They moved on/play diff games now. :c
Healers been a guild weakness of dependability since WoD.
molten rivet
Is it worth equiping 15ilvl lower just to keep DC?
heavy chasm
Probably not. But get some more opinions I'd think
undone sun
yes
smoky wave
I'd lean towards yes
timid pumice
does anyone have the stat weights for prot warrior? simcraft somehow doesn't work and icy veins and pawn kinda show different priorities
fathom marten
We dont have ones
heavy chasm
On that note how many ilvls would you sacrifice?
fathom marten
Theres no stat weights for prot
fathom marten
It's a self assessment. Go by the stat priority list in the pins.
smoky wave
Personally? 15 I'd be ok with, 25 likely where I start wondering harder. Thyme has said 25 before iirc?
fathom marten
Like 8/10 you'll want haste
heavy chasm
Haste is usually the go to. Mastery and verse are better then Crit and pretty close to even iirc
undone sun
Don't use pawn @timid pumice
Can't sim Defensively. Period.
offensively we don't have working sims atm so raidbots/simc wont give anything nearly accurate
timid pumice
i have 11% crit, 10% haste, 28% mastery, 8%versatility, 3% dodge, 15% parry and 26% block and have no idea if thts good or not xD haven't played warrior in a long time
fathom marten
Just look for haste
undone sun
ilevel>haste>mastery>=verse>crit
timid pumice
ok thx xD
rain dune
So I've had no luck with shields after running mythics for the past three weeks and clearing Uldir last night. Get another two chances on heroic Vectis tonight (Coin). How much is a 325 going to hold us back progression wise?
I'm planning on farming M+ motherlode this weekend but even still I'm not going to hold my breath.
vital wren
morrig asking the real questions
shields are bread and butter now since block value is more important
tawny panther
Mother lode wasn't the bis shield was it
smoky wave
I won't be held back by a 325 shield. Mostly cos I accidentally scrapped it, can't recover, and will be held back by a 310 instead.
tawny panther
Atal I think?
smoky wave
Rezan yeah, thought it was
tawny panther
Atal or tol are good I forget if the shield in told was ideal or just cos of weapons too
round fox
I'm still running a 290 green shield
kind urchin
Yeah rezan shield is bis
tawny panther
He also has trinket so farm AD
rain dune
Lmao. I thought Motherlode had haste so that's why I picked it. I'll run AD to death instead then.
kind urchin
I got the one from motherload though... Rip
tawny panther
Thought it best to call it since you would waste yr time lol
round fox
Wonder if I should buy the BOE epic one
rain dune
My luck is so good this expansion that I'm one of the lucky ones that got the "oops it's actually a transmog mace" from heroic taloc
kind urchin
Rezan shield is haste/mast. Motherload is crit haste
rain dune
I'm going to buy the BoE if I don't get a drop this weekend. And then I'll get one from next reset.
kind urchin
I want the G'huun shield
daring marlin
Don't we all?!
rain dune
From a rare?
static pilot
remember what rare by any chance?
static pilot
^^
kind urchin
Yup. Go to arathi... Got a couple sweet gear drops from the rares there.
static pilot
guess I've been unlucky, I got a few toys and sad levels of azerite
loud jungle
Hey guys, how much is Avoidance worht in ilvl? Have 350 Ring Vers/Mastery and 340 Vers/Mastery with 60 Avoidance
cursive minnow
how often can you farm the rares for loot?
open bluff
not daily
knotty herald
Seems to be pretty good droprate. me and 2 friends cleared all rares yesterday = 14 epics and 1 mount
quartz ridge
does shimmering haven stack?
open bluff
likely bi-weekly, since control of arathi should change roughly once a week
knotty herald
I read several people claiming it was daily resets, anyone have confirmation?
open bluff
and lol droprate, rng is gonna rng; my wife went with me on two toons on tuesday, got 10 pieces between the two
i took two toons, got one drop between the both of them 
smoky wave
@loud jungle Avoidance isn't worth dropping ilvl for as I understand it. If an identicle item has avoidance then take that, but otherwise judge it on the other stats.
open bluff
@knotty herald i can confirm it is not a daily reset
loud jungle
@smoky wave ok thanks. So having it with same ilvl is nice, but not having it is also ok.
smoky wave
@loud jungle yeah, not the worlds best on the theory, but if I had a 340 and a 350 and the only difference was the avoidance I'm taking the 340.
open bluff
if i had a 340 and 350 of the same item but the 340 had avoidance, i'd take the 350
there's a reason avoidance is a tertiary stat while str is primary and haste et al are secondary
smoky wave
is there a flat str/ilvl? cos you're basically that much str or 60 avoidance and there's really no competition.
all the strength!
royal oasis
I want to say it was one of the mount rares
Sorry notification didn't pop up
It was on the east side of the zone
tight elk
what tips would you give to a new prot warrior?
dapper copper
mmm he said ring so no str
but i mean its honestly like playstyle at that margin of stats, if we were talking about like every slot +10ilvl vs having 500 avoidance, then ofc ilvl
smoky wave
I'd missed that, good spot
tawny panther
@tight elkread the icy veins guide twice
tight elk
@tawny panther lol, i followed the sticky's directions, but people always have little nuggets of useful information
tawny panther
Then probably know your dangerous trash and encounters
Since we are entirely preemptive
old dawn
@tight elk running Bulwark, you never want shield block and last stand up at the same time because that's useless. use sb, sb, ls for your cooldown rotation and you can do two shield blocks after last stand to get really long periods of constant block.
Make sure you get Deafening Crash as one of your traits and try to keep Demo shout up as often as possible.
Most of your rage should go to IP or Shield Block unless you're not taking damage, then you can spend it on revenge
junior ivy
soi this new arathi highlands warfronts thingy.. is there dailies?
astral crystal
sick sentinel
just hit 120 on my war and geared up to 320
i haven't touched prot war since like cata, lol
what did they dooo to my classsssss
humble schooner
I dont find it that bad, only thing clunky is IP on GCD
sick sentinel
IP and SB feels like the rage cost is too high
old dawn
if you're running booming voice
you have plenty of rage
you're spending it mostly on those two moves still
fathom field
bm+am
old dawn
but you do a ton of damage without rage
humble schooner
I find I have enough rage generally, useless I use revenge too much
old dawn
IP on GCD just requires forethought instead of just hammering buttons
yea just don't really use revenge
unless you're free to spend it because you're not taking damage
humble schooner
IP usage is for spell damage I find, or the "oh shit" times
humble schooner
yeah, bosses I am more careful with it
old dawn
i only ever hit it if it's free
grim prism
Youre going to need to keep IP up more or less as an uptime buff in higher content
old dawn
there's no reason to use it on a boss without it being free
humble schooner
used to being out in the world and killign standard mobs
old dawn
you might as well hit revenge.
grim prism
Especially considering its your only consistent rage spender
It isnt an oh shit button
old dawn
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signal plover
IP makes a huge difference on heroic bosses atm
old dawn
IP you spend a lot on, tbh
exotic finch
btw how the block work tbh? when SB up or passively change ?
grim prism
Both @exotic finch