Or go to Reddit, I know that Blizzard at least reads Reddit. And Reddit will echo you better than we will here, which is what you seem to want.
#protection
fathom field
@final mist
you tested stuff for the icy veins guide?
opaque pagoda
I hadn't posted here in a couple of weeks, I just thought maybe some experience in BFA would be enough for more people to come to their senses about how utterly disastrous the current rage model is
dark junco
damn lol warcraftlog is down
grim prism
Im assuming the end result is more or less just bigger uptime gaps
final mist
Most of the testing was done by a combination of myself, Sense, Lala, and Marok (among others), as well as a healthy dose of napkin math to boot.
steel mauve
heres a crazy idea, maybe its just you that cant play it and not other people who are out right wrong because they dont agree with you?
final mist
I personally didn't test those talents because of the way BV and AM was working out with D.C.
fathom field
@final mist
Well cool.
opaque pagoda
yeah, maybe I just suck and don't enjoy the turn-based rage game
grim prism
Its okay to let people enjoy things you dont enjoy
ember arrow
yes, lets overexaggerate
fathom field
Lol is this a nerd off?
ember arrow
that'll prove your point
final mist
Alright, enough is enough. Take your complaining elsewhere, I won't have it here any longer. Final warning for you.
inland mesa
I agree I don't like having to hit IP on GCD and stopping damage or anything else, that feels weird, but through 5 heroic last night I never felt like I caused any wipes or held us back unless I personally screwed up
ember arrow
if a gcd causes u to die, or the raid
thats your fault
not you you
but in general
fathom field
I mean if you hate playing wow dont play wow. Porn is free now.
opaque pagoda
I have no doubt that warriors can probably struggle through anything
it's just not remotely fun
fathom field
^
grim prism
Including your presence
fathom field
porn
grim prism
Gottem
exotic spoke
Its not a struggle. And fun is subjective. I prefer having to think ahead
ember arrow
i struggled through fetid on my dk
ember arrow
and i beat it
fathom field
Ahaha
ember arrow
grim prism
Sorry sorry
fathom field
Yo balsam. I'm sorry for all the hateful things I said about you.
grim prism
I have a hard time disengaging. You should see my M+ group
fathom field
balsam. bal..
inland mesa
You still haven't really explained how it's a struggle yet...or what experience you're tot'ing to be the authority o.O
fathom field
I must disengage auto correct when I'm drinking
grim prism
@fathom field its Balsa Q. I enjoy building models from wood and qtips
ember arrow
ifyou say "this class is bad, you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not one to tell others that's a fact, wtihout proving this
fathom field
I'm smashing faces in five mans with prot. Last stand is great for fortified.
last stand+sb+sb
grim prism
God damn i cant wait for tyrannical week
solid mist
dear lord. can't get a trinket or shield drop at allll 😦
fathom field
pretty easy
grim prism
Its gonna feel like such a breeze compared to this shit
old dawn
agreed Bal
inland mesa
those 340+ hands WQ from temple though O.O
old dawn
getting out of trash week will be good.
grim prism
Anyone else get RNGd to death in midair by being thrown over sanguine pools in freehold
That was a good "thanks bliz" moment
I dont mind trash being hard compared to old content
I kinda like it
But wow wee going from no plus to fort was rough
steel mauve
i took the upper path the first time i ran mythic freehold, and legit got sick because we accidentall;y pulled 3 or 4 packs, all those guys that toss you
fathom field
Take notes
fathom field
uh oh
grim prism
You may want to.add that to.your notes
grim prism
Lol
crystal heron
anyone wanna have a hoot in the ol general chat?
grim prism
No thanks i dont want to get muted again
fathom field
I mean I was doing it wrong and melting faces
old dawn
yeah dude prot is good.
fathom field
maybe I just suck at raiding
crystal heron
i wanna talk tank to people tho:(
fathom field
or following directions
But ya it seems we are built for five mans with the icy veins build
crystal heron
and its hard to tab out whilst tanking:(
granite flume
is there a guide for azerite traits?
grim prism
In the pinned messages still
Top right
Either three dots or a thumbtack icon depending on your platform
Icyveins link
old dawn
@fathom field thankfully we're rather good in both.
because of anger management in raids.
grim prism
because of anger management in raids
fathom field
Lol the thing with the contracts having no expiration was funny
steel mauve
and only took 3 weeks to fix
old dawn
lol
fathom field
The rep contracts. bliz is like..."o ya that's supposed to last 7 days"
full orbit
guys did u have azeritepowerweights string?
topaz ember
well i dont think they would weigh that much make like 100-200 grams
old dawn
wot
grim prism
@full orbit no weights for prot
old dawn
yeah I don't think they weigh much more than the armor does right
grim prism
You want one deafening crash and two armor ones. Check the pind
old dawn
as prot you're just looking for deaf crash and iron fortress or the other one.
one deaf crash, no more.
grim prism
Brace for Impact
old dawn
that's it
grim prism
Lol.almosy
grim prism
God damn i miss phones with keyboards
steel mauve
i cant type for shit on my phone...
grim prism
Did you see how i just tried to spell "impact"
old dawn
download swiftkey
grim prism
Not even close
grim prism
I did lol
old dawn
lol
grim prism
And now im nervous for unexpected guests
old dagger
is there a weapon I can buy on the AH which is good for a starting tank? Stuck with an ilvl 286 forever (sword)
old dawn
uh
old dawn
I wouldn't do it. I'd just get a wq
grim prism
Honestly, just dont tell anyone you have a 2xx weapon and spam +2 keys as a tank
old dawn
yeah what bal said too.
inland mesa
@final mist I'm not seeing a new tidy plate, if you get a chance to look at what you use that'd be awesome 😄
old dawn
and complain they're not watching their threat.
steel mauve
most probably just look at over all ilvl
final mist
@inland mesa Tidy Plates Continued
fathom field
l'm burned out from raiding. dont want to think about the world of stuncraft
final mist
Tidy Plates > KUI
tiny rapids
@final mist I'll find you, and lock KUI into your addons
fathom field
world of interrupt or die from trash mob craft
tiny rapids
You'll use it, you'll love it.
final mist
KUI sucks, don't @ me
grim prism
^
tiny rapids
❤
solid mist
que for TA and AD, do both, then que for randoms, get lucky and get both TA and DA again, and do a 3rd and get motherlode. No shields, no trinkets... 😐
grim prism
@old dagger all the Horde NA ones have been twohanders
inland mesa
Was it an external download and not through twitch?
old dawn
I like kui :(
old dagger
@grim prism ouch
sick sentinel
Happy I bought the 355 oswains. Still no shield drops still since heroic 325 2 weeks ago.
😬
grim prism
Id just spam low keys atm. Youll get one eventually
Tanks are high demand
Whats your overall ilvl at?
sick sentinel
346 here.
grim prism
Abz specifically
old dagger
315 but I just started doing heroics. I'm not comfortable tanking (yet). Haven't been a WoW player really
full orbit
@grim prism ty
final mist
Nah, it was on Twitch / Curse... although it seems to be removed now, for some reason.
grim prism
Maybe try to pug some m0
final mist
The author may have taken it down.
old dagger
yeh, I'll give it a shot
grim prism
And frankly not worth it at this point, imo
old dagger
what ilvl is solid to start M0's with?
old dagger
wow
grim prism
325 should be plenty
Most of us main prot tho
And had friends trying to powergear at launch
Im just saying its definitely doable at pretty much any ilvl
old dagger
yeh I like prot, want to main it
grim prism
325 should be comfy though
solid mist
don't be afraid to use LS and SW in trash packs
grim prism
You may want to give it a shot right now just to see how it feels
"Solid ilvl" is whichever one gets you past groupfinder lol
old dagger
hehe, true
steel mauve
with a good group you should be able to get through +2's with 315-320 probably
old dagger
im going to grind those heroics for now, feels challenging enough to practice
grim prism
Yeah just keep refining it
If you find you are having no problems then pull another pack
Go big or go home
Maybe thats not great advice
prisma crane
@final mist what do you use instead? I stick with threat plates for now
final mist
I still have the addon that was updated / is working, so I'll be using that until it breaks
Whereupon I'll probably just stop tanking xd
prisma crane
which is that?
final mist
Tidy Plates Continued
prisma crane
and yea, idk if i could ever tank without some form of nameplate addon
yea ok, i love it, so they actually updated that shit? i know threat plates is still active, but havent seen tidy in ages
shut summit
Yea I dropped tidy plates cuz hate relying on the updates when it breaks
Been using plater for now
strong forum
prisma crane
plater, hmm, i'll have to check that out, threat plates feels the same as tidy, but tbh i havent spent a lot of time with them unless they stop working lol
inland mesa
Tidy plates continued doesn't seem to be on twitch anymore or curse
prisma crane
stock plates are improving
but there's more i want
now, as a non-healer, i like stock raid frames
they're clean
grim prism
Yeah i boosted a lock and immediately was like "wow these are shit"
But theyve worked fine for me up to that point and i still use them on my war
Oh the raid frames
As a non-healer I hide that shit kappa
Looks like a heaping pile of not my problem
frosty wedge
I've just been using elvui for a while now, I used to spend hours on my ui but I can't bring myself to do that anymore, lol
west hound
is it worth going from a 355 vers/crit item to a 350 haste/vers one?
steel mauve
is it ring or armor?
i use elvui as well, im gonna end up redoing my entire ui in a little bit to consolidate it and make it smaller
fresh dragon
ç_ç
prisma crane
my ui is nearly all stock, i did the ui game once, then a patch hit, then i was done
solid mist
I use ElvUI a lot just for ease. but honestly, with how good weakauras that people have made... I could get by with stock UI and just some good WAs
weak zephyr
This game is literally unplayable without Addons for me now, since I spent so much time since wrath changing my UI with them.
rustic fractal
Heya, I've just dropped a azerite helmet which includes : Archive of the Titans, as a Wartank, is that a must have or should I not take it ?
This is the helmet dropped on the second boss from Uldir
Is someone able to advise me ?
frosty wedge
read the pins for azerite traits - you want one piece with deafening crash then two pieces with either iron fortress or brace for impact... bloodsport for magic heavy fghts
sacred sorrel
im aware
this may sound like the most retarded question ever
but where can I find a sword and a shield?
any vendors or someshit?
cos in AA theres only trash stuff... and people seeling lvl 90 axes for 3M xD
static pilot
what level are you?
sacred sorrel
I wanna respec as tank and im fucked in BFA cos no more artefact weapons
331
but that was with my 2 swords
static pilot
get the honor gear, ilevel 300
frosty wedge
oh, dude you can just get ilvl 300's off the AH for low
static pilot
goes for 500g or so on the AH
sacred sorrel
I did not find anything in the AH
only very expesive stuff and shitty lvls
whats the honor gear?
sry im kindof a noob
frosty wedge
change your search for only lvl 120 gear
static pilot
do a search for Honorable Combatant's Shield
they go for a few hundred gold on my server
frosty wedge
and honorable combatants cutlass
native coyote
or Stormsteel shield
frosty wedge
also those
final mist
😬
frosty wedge
that's insane, unless it rolled epic
sacred sorrel
im poor atm, bought a fuckton of heirlooms recently
frosty wedge
even then
sacred sorrel
it is epic
hasty cradle
I could make you an honorable shield if you want to buy the mats... not sure what the mats go for though tbh
native coyote
o.O I got mine (epic, 310) for less than 9k
final mist
Try and do heroics
sacred sorrel
nah but people on my server are apes
final mist
Or buy a cheap shield
frosty wedge
I made mine, haha
sacred sorrel
when it comes to AH shit
chrome falcon
Has anyone successfully tanked HC fetid here
I am really curious how the fuck I am meant to survive
Even my monk co-tank was getting their face melted
little star
i did fetid earlier and there was about 3 points where i had nothing for 1 or 2 terrible thrashes
worn hound
ye i am getting raped too
little star
i was tanking with a monk and he was getting destroyed more than me on the thrashes
little star
looking back at it i was lucky with blocks without SB up and crit blocked alot
chrome falcon
EU
worn hound
does SB block it?
kindred flint
How are prot war in raids so far?
worn hound
thrashe i mean
little star
ye it does
chrome falcon
yeah but if you have SB and nothing else you'll probably still die
or at least go very low
little star
took me down to like 30% hp with just block
worn hound
the hard part, is generate enought rage between the hits
lunar spade
I keep being smashed even with shield block and IP up on trash packs , I'm not sure how i can survvive without anyything up , Shield wall down , Last stand down ... been playing prot since late Vanilla , and i can survive for a short time , without taking any damage still but once demo falls off and a slight mistime of my SB = Near instant death
worn hound
yup
lunar spade
I don't think i can even get a 100% uptime can I ?
blissful pebble
What raid size?
lunar spade
of SB
Wasn't in a raid , was m+
in raids I was a beast and had no problem besides the occasional drop
lunar spade
3
past ledge
then go far to drop blood pool?
vocal nimbus
yes
bold dock
anyone know how often Lingering Sporepods procs?
i have a 360 and I figure it could be good in m+ if I can proc more than 1 shroom per pack
snow nest
would like to know too, just got a 365 one
royal oasis
For a bit of time I tried running HR to keep SB uptime higher on Fetid but that didn't quite work as intended
ended up 3 tanking it and it died that pull
sacred sorrel
is it possible to find bind guides for prot warrior?
cos im a noob and I really dunno how to bind shit properly
and please dont give me the "play what suits you best and what is confortable" answer
bold dock
12345 + shift modifiers
final mist
Buttons are personal preference though. I know people who prefer using numbers, I know people who don't. Just make sure your main abilities are whatever is closest / most comfortable for you, because you hit them the most.
Ex. My main keybindings are A, D, `, 1, 2, 3, with the 4 side mouse buttons accompanying them and shift modifiers for each as well.
That won't work for everyone though.
sick sentinel
Whatever is comfortable to your hands/muscle memory.
vocal nimbus
just type the skills
sick sentinel
/cast shield block xd
vocal nimbus
with the gcd you may even be able to pull it off
next goblet
im going to try this
earnest zinc
Normal you can easily survive it with just SB
Heroic I don't know
Though you will likely get one shot if you have nothing up on normal unless you are well geared (350+)
next goblet
question.. i never used weakauras.. are they hard to use and will they change my life?
i know they'll monitor my SB and IP better
floral rock
Just download a set that looks good to you and don't touch em
undone sun
Not hard to use unless you want to make your own them it's a slight learning curve
dapper copper
guys the Champion of Azeroth trait from the 355 rep helm is Better than Iron fortress right?
stoic kite
what buff food should i eat
chilly brook
frosty wedge
@dapper copper whats' the trait called?
dark junco
am I the only one who has issues fetching data from warcraftlogs ?
always get ..unable to generate a chart''
#Unforgiving
undone sun
yikes
narrow ocean
I'm seeing a few people going Devastator instead of Booming Voice on WC logs. Is there any reason where its better or is it certain situations?
fresh dragon
0.3% Zek'Voz
craggy harness
Oh boy, mother on heroic is reminding me of me learning fel hounds in argus and the wind/pull
fresh dragon
162k hp left :V
craggy harness
i hate forced movement :/
gaunt igloo
@narrow ocean its a rotational simplifier and a dps increase (not sure compared to booming voice, though)
craggy harness
hmm, the person that said "type /cast shield block"
i immediately went to think of asking Cortana/Alexa type for you
narrow ocean
@gaunt igloo Does it get better with more haste? Do you know?
craggy harness
And then "Twitch plays a Tank"
gaunt igloo
probably, since it scales with attack speed and the amount of shield slams you cast
final mist
Everything gets "better with more Haste".
narrow ocean
Hmmmm i might try it out then and see if I like it. I find myself barely casting devastate as it is. Not sure if its better than booming voice though.
final mist
Devastator is most likely a DPS increase in pure ST situations. It's a survival loss compared to BV, and a DPS loss in AoE compared to BV.
sick sentinel
never ever forever here.
gaunt igloo
is there anything about the new uldir azerite gear? i mean, i know there's the chance to get a m+ gear from dungeon, but you get the idea
next goblet
ST isn't devastator SLIGHTLY more dps?
hot locust
I was one of the devastator users and I didn't use it for damage or survival. Just comfort for bosses I didn't really care about progressing on.
In that, it took us like 1-3 pulls for all of them.
Come mythic week I will be running BV for everything.
next goblet
i mean you can use devastator talent.. you just have to be a lot smarter with your rage
hot locust
Sure, it's also not better.
hot locust
You are choosing to do something with a lower performance record.
final mist
Devastator baseline when, Blizz?
hot locust
In progress come mythic week I won't run it ever.
next goblet
oh yea i wouldn't run it in progress
but if i know i can get away with it
hell yeah im runnin it for more enjoyable gameplay
static lance
Depending on RNG, Devastator could end up being better survivability, because you can get back to back resets on Shield Slam. But its RNG.
I'm running it right now for ease of play, too.
next goblet
eh
static lance
And I'm not raiding, just doing m+, so it works out.
next goblet
you lost that guaranteed rage from demo
final mist
That's wrong. The only way Devastator is a survival increase is if it gives you more Rage than you'd get from BV - think about how many times you cast DS per minute with AM.
next goblet
and you resets would overlap
solid mist
even without devastate talent though.. how often you actually using devastate? I find myself rarely using it just because there is so much else available
final mist
There's absolutely no way you get enough SS to offset the Rage gained from BV.
static lance
Again, it only becomes more survivability if RNG goes your way. I've gotten 3 back to back resets before, but I know its not something I can depend on. The guaranteed Rage from BV is way better.
next goblet
but did you end up clipping your TC window when you have avatar up?
static lance
But at the same time, I'm getting those resets without having to do anything. It just makes the spec feel easier to play and less spammy.
cloud idol
whos got stat weights for prot
static lance
No, I don't recall doing that. TC is priority when Avatar is up, always.
final mist
We don't use stat weights.
static lance
RNG can also fuck you over and you can end up sitting there with your thumb up your ass because you didn't get resets and everything is on CD.
so there's that.
static lance
It actually highlights the biggest issue with prot right now. Lack of choice in talents.
Especially in the 60, 90 and 100 tiers.
grim prism
yeah i miss having more than one viable build reee
static lance
I'm levelling my paladin now and the amount of viable talents they have in comparison is annoying.
grim prism
IM FINALLY 340 BOIZ, RNGESUS HATH FINALLY SEEN FIT TO BLESS ME WITH A GOD DAMN CHESTPIECE
final mist
There's really not "viable" talents, so much as "Swap this talent here, swap this talent here, keep the rest the same everywhere".
I enjoy not having to swap talents at all as a Warrior.
weary notch
Mythic+ MOTHERLODE is bullshit. Sanguine + way to much trash - we accidentally pulled like 7 groups and still had to double back. The timer is 39 minutes max. Bullshit. It's not remotely fun at all
grim prism
i mean yeah i suppose
i still always err in the favor of choice
if nothing else it helps weed out bads
weary notch
underrot and atal'dazar were fun. I'm not sure I'll ever go back into Motherlode
final mist
There's always "choice", but there's never "choice" where "optimal" is concerned.
grim prism
this 340 chest loses iron fortress for plating and some leech bullshit
not even happy anymore
static lance
eh, not really @final mist. For prot paladins, at least, there are plenty of tiers where there is no clear optimal choice. Its either situational (which has its own set of issues, especially in m+), or all choices are equally optimal.
grim prism
i mean "situational choices" are not really choices either in the scope of how he is defining it
kindred flint
what talents u guys running for Uldir?
grim prism
the ones in the pins @kindred flint
next goblet
@static lance is devastator Ok gameplay in m+ tho? like lower keys
i know its not optimal
next goblet
but anytime i can play devastator and get away with it
final mist
There are no "equally optimal" choices. There are ST talents, AoE talents, and defensive talents. That's it.
next goblet
i will lol
grim prism
how would you define getting away with it
final mist
There's "choice" in what you're running for what you're doing, but that's not choice - that's "Am I being optimal for the content I'm about to do?"
static lance
lower keys, yeah.
weary notch
well sure, but if something is 0.0000001% more optimal than something else and you're playing a stat numbers game, it's not going to make a difference if you take the one that's 0.00000001% more optimal or not. There are degrees
there's optimal and there's reasonable
final mist
For Paladins, the talents are strong enough to a point that you want specific talents. That's not choice if you want optimal.
static lance
except that its not always so cut-and-dry as ST/AoE/Defensive.
final mist
Ex. Righteous Protector is much stronger in pure ST than Last Defender, and Last Defender is much stronger in AoE than RP.
With Seraphim being a potential DPS increase if you play your cards right (and a survival loss always).
weary notch
but more to the point, MOTHERLODE should be deleted.
wary crystal
lol
static lance
and that's perfectly fair. I'd rather have that than 'pick this one, the rest are terrible, no matter the situation', which is the case for some warrior tiers.
next goblet
i'd love to be able to have more choice as a warrior
warped hound
@modern tundra
final mist
- We are the best tank for Fetid (if played well, yadda yadda). 2. Take that to #off-topic, it doesn't go here.
wintry void
Best tank for Fetid??????????????
final mist
[Shield Block]
final mist
You get hit very hard, often as the Thrash tank, and cannot Purify often enough to reliably soak all of the damage (especially on higher raid sizes).
Whereas Blocking Thrashes is very, very, very good.
next goblet
oh my god, why havent i been using weak auras before?
final mist
Does not go here, take that to #off-topic, we are very good for Fetid.
static lance
i have spent hours aligning and arranging my WA icons.
mild vigil
For Fetid, how do I have mitigation up for every trash? 2 shield blocks, 1 bolster, 1 shield block, then what?
amber siren
Sw, ds, externals?
sick sentinel
Hey guys i imagine this has been asked many times before but its tl:dr in here: Is their some kind of breakpoint to hast stacking as Protwarrior? Iam currently at 30% Haste and in raid and esp in Mythic +5 i get a lot of damage, should i go for some Vers > Mastery > Crit and mb even drop down to idk mb 25% haste? Or just keep on stacking?
final mist
There is no Haste breakpoint, no.
mild vigil
can I get dbm to display fetid devourer's timers when I'm on a target dummy?
amber siren
30% with or without ITF? BCS ilvl is still the most important
final mist
Thrash comes at anywhere from 6 seconds in-between Thrashes to 22 seconds in between Thrashes.
dark junco
@final mist https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#boss=2128&metric=deaths&class=Tanks Deaths on Fetid devourer
mild vigil
taunt the boss and whisper other tank: it's your problem now
dark junco
We're middle of the pact
undone sun
6-8s is about average but of course he can delay it with the charges and devours
dark junco
Seems like brewmaster is the least dying tank on Fetid
undone sun
sick sentinel
@amber siren sry what does ITF stand for? Currently iam at 348 ilvl usually just going for highest item level for armor str and sta
sick sentinel
without
past ledge
30% haste without ITF?
dark junco
Yo wait, shouldn't have removed the meme lol, it checks out
sick sentinel
Nvm its with iam retarded
dark junco
Stats for Taloc and MOTHER are aweful for prot
undone sun
it was posted in #off-topic
dark junco
xD
past ledge
i have 16% without ITF
wintry void
Did we all forget that every other tank exists
dark junco
Hopefully we'll get a hotfix or something
next goblet
how often do i have to update my WA
warped hound
every 20minutes
sick sentinel
Its 33% with itf and 16 without, was locking on stats while in Arms Specc
wintry void
I do mine every 15 mins
junior kernel
I used ask mr robot and it tells me i need less haste but im only sitting at 12 percent without ITF
undone sun
the aura itself shouldn't need to be updated as frequently unless there's some major bugs
junior kernel
that cant be right?
dark junco
145 heroic parses, 16% of death, closest one is pally with 283 parses (almost double) and only 7% of deaths, so half of ours still
undone sun
correct
dark junco
lol
junior kernel
someone in guild told me to use that since raid bots wont sim
dark junco
You can't sim prot warrrior
wintry void
Kick him from your guild
junior kernel
O.o
undone sun
well first because atm we don't have supported sims
dark junco
Sims are broken for us since a long time, and its not getting fixed as a priority
undone sun
so raidbots and simc wont help
junior kernel
any recommendations other than icy veins then?
wintry void
Sims are broken because Warriors are so good the sim can't handle their Awesomeness!!!!
dark junco
here
undone sun
why not use IV
dark junco
IV has a terrible reputation outside of warrior circle
dark junco
thats probably why
amber siren
I read that as impending victory monkas
final mist
Enough with the memes and doom saying - I've warned multiple times.
If you suck at Fetid, that's on you.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
wintry void
omegalul
dark junco
Sal just take a look at the warcraftlogs
wintry void
@final mist Link me your logs
dark junco
Something's wrong
junior kernel
so i mostly use IV for azerite traits and talents specs but as far as stat ratings im not sure
wintry void
If u did it on hc, i want to see how amazing you are 😃
wintry void
Link me your logs
final mist
You're more than welcome to find them. I'm raiding atm.
wintry void
Char name and server and i will
next goblet
wow prot war has the LEAST amount of parses lol
wintry void
Must be because they are op
dark junco
The overrepresentation of warrior's dying in heroic Uldir says that the class probably still deserve a few changes. The fact that you're able to make do doesn't mean that, if you're the 1%, prot warriors shouldn't have a few fixes.
wintry void
Would be nice to see Sal's logs to see what he did
next goblet
makes me happy im not playing the fotm class 😄
wintry void
But i guess if he is busy "raiding" then thats fine 😛
vale gorge
@dark junco where did you find stats on prot warrior deaths in Uldir? Not doubting, just interested in seeing them
vale gorge
ah sweet, thanks
dark junco
Pretty revealing (sp?)
rare terrace
So prot warrior more sturdy than Prot paladin?
dark junco
Zul: 9 warrior parses
next goblet
i figured thats how it'd be.. in raids prot war would be sturdy but in m+ not so much
vale gorge
pretty interesting that prot warriors seem fine on Fetid Devourer, but die way more on most other bosses
dark junco
Would like to see where the damage comes from
Maybe they're not even trash tanking, but someone else is
dark junco
Most of the Val'kyr and Stormforged have multiple tank
Few of them use prot warrior as a raid tank
(If any)
wintry void
So how can he say that warrior is the best for Fetid
final mist
I am not playing it because I do not enjoy the BfA playstyle.
next goblet
wow i see not many prot wars are using DC O.o is it not that good in raid environment?
main vault
I dont play War and I can easily say its the best
wintry void
Makes Sense
main vault
I mean dont have to play it to not be stupid
wintry void
Do you actually think Prot warrior is the best tank?
main vault
At Fetid Thrashes, yes
verbal socket
do the crushers and hexers spwan at the same time on zul heroic?
broken kite
Maghar obv
orchid flower
Anyone else having issues with the amount of damage being taken from Zul, Reborn?
red sequoia
so ive gotten both the syringe and disc trinkets already... worth using for prot over blockades?
sacred sorrel
no
just the fact that Khadgar is not in it
this character alone made me stop wow for a bit
I fucking hated his face so much
on so many levels
I was the slave of one of the worst alliance characters ever written
as horde why the fuck do I have to work for this cunt?
and dont tell me "oooh but Kiriiiin tooor is neutral"
Its always been closer to alliance. Everyone knows that
I dont see no Trolls, Orcs or anything else in the kirin tor except dwarfs and humans
Keep characters to their factions for the love of god
I just hate doing a quest and some guy says For the Alliance right after, Its so annoying as horde player
sacred sorrel
aye mb
surreal stump
so how about that raid azerite gear ;/
red sequoia
how bout them trinkets huh
west kayak
I am trying to tank Mother and I am getting trucked it feels like.
subtle fable
Are you avoiding sanitizing strike?
surreal stump
i walk through wall first and afk basically
wintry void
But, Prot warrior is the best tank in the game
west kayak
I do avoid the Strike.
Her melee attacks seem to be just owning me.
This is Heroic.
static pilot
can we see your armory?
surreal stump
so im guessing we use 2 pcs from raid and one pc with dc from somewhere else?or am i blind and theres DC on some raid pc
plain ice
uhhh anyone finish a keystone in time and then have it downgrade?
surreal stump
yes seems buggy as hell cru
static pilot
I'll be the first to admit that warrior has some issues but we should be able to survive white hits and afaik mother doesn't hit particularly hard
west kayak
Aeoleon Stormrage US
static pilot
I'm no expert but I dont see anything that immediately stands out as bad. I'll leave a link here so that the wiser heads can chip in:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/stormrage/Aeoleon
west kayak
Thank you.
static pilot
you're very welcome and good luck with progression 😃
lucid kelp
if Heroic MOTHER is just kicking my ass...any tips?
raven kernel
Link logs
But it's probably just you not keeping shield block / bolster up enough
Also demo shout
And dodge sanitising strike
next goblet
why dont my WA save when i log out?
orchid flower
Im having huge issues on Zul, Reborn
Phase 2, I feel like nothing I do can save my prot ass
still sigil
guys, do i pick my 330 ring with 173stam, 173haste, 163 verse OR 345 ring with 204stam, 242vers 118 mastery
sick sentinel
lol
orchid flower
Normal
We've barely struggled with any boss for more than 2-3 wipes until Zul
We got him down after 18
prisma night
How many stacks are you swapping at
prisma night
Huh, it should be managable dmg. My co tank and i were fuckin retarded and swapped at 5 and somehow got zul to go down. Thought others might have done something similar
orchid flower
Yeah my Bear offtank seemed to be able to survive until like 5-6
and he's barely 340
prisma night
It does hurt a lot though to be fair, could be a healer issue since we cant outright save our selves from it
orchid flower
and in every other encounter, i've been able to soak more than him
I think the problem is when I run back to drop the blood off
I die, so maybe im outrunning the healers faster than they can keep up?
prisma night
Oh yeah but its something he could bring to their attention
lucid kelp
Most of the times I died were 75k damage melee swings + double hit from 2 people crossing the barrier on Mother
so..I just need to manage my CD's better
cause I shouldn't be getting hit for 75k
tiny rapids
or your team needs to wait for the right time
lucid kelp
bit of column a, bit of column b
stoic kite
So for Fetid Devourer in raid, every 4 attacks he does a big attack on the closest target (Me) and whenever my Shield Block was on CD it seemed like I would almost die... any suggestions?
Or is that normal
strong hill
From all accounts yes.
west kayak
So should we be tanking the boss or the Thrash?
raven kernel
We are good for the thrash
still sigil
did they get rid of the 2nd/3rd chest if u get a +2 or +3 keystone
steel mauve
they did that a long time ago
still sigil
havent played since 7.2
steel mauve
now its all 1 chest but the same rewards
so you dont need to open 3 different chests
still sigil
kk
thanks
also
330 ring with 173stam, 173haste, 163 verse OR 345 ring with 204stam, 242vers 118 mastery
steel mauve
QoL imo
hearty crater
does anyone know if on Zek spell relfect works on Void lash?
undone sun
doesn't seem to
hearty crater
thanks
crystal heron
does soloing half a heroic dungeon boss at ilvl 314 as a druid qualify me as a good tank?
hearty crater
got a link for that?
crystal heron
i got meters but i just finished the run
everyone died except me about half way through
it was bad man heals didnt do anything and no one did mechanics
open bluff
probably qualifies you as bored out of your mind since it took about 30 minutes to do that on a druid
crystal heron
lemme check
5 minutes 38 seconds
and yes
kiting healing on downtime and using frenzied on cd basically
ok boys tell me for mythic plus should i roll warrior or druid?
my job prevents me from being able to reliably raid
woeful reef
is there a 3rd option? 😛
mystic ferry
does anyone have any prot warrior logs/videos of heroic fetid
seems impossible to me
although i am pugging
amber siren
check pins
undone sun
post logs @prisma crane
undone sun
hmmm
prisma crane
can do every other one
balmy narwhal
do u swap at 8 stacks for ghuun?
cuz it was still hitting me pretty hard through SB
round vortex
I did G’huun last night. And we taunted on CD and there was no disadvantage to doing this. We took WAY less damage.
He didn’t hit any DR for taunt or become immune. We then changed our strat to “taunt when you have active mitigation available or he hits 4 stacks”
prisma crane
@undone sun 100% doesnt go on me, but, looks almost like it jumps to someone else, so idk lol
round vortex
It was our 6th hour in raid, and our strategy was completely mental but necessary and my keyboard turning was sooooo real when facing away for his gaze haha the kill video is a legit treat for any prot warrior to watch.
prisma crane
i'll check if the animation looks the same this time without SR
upper spoke
what is the best prot warrior engineering crafted goggles, please?
junior ivy
so wow. uldir even on normal is hard
upper spoke
i guess i mean best engineering trait to put on the gogles
tiny rapids
Hey guys, what determines how much our Block can mitigate? (Not Shield Block).
Total Armor or Shield Armor?
fierce juniper
Block DR is based solely on your total Block (stat).
tiny rapids
Thanks
cloud bone
Is there anywhere I can look to figure out how much the block DR I currently have is?
like block value to block dr
prisma crane
@undone sun ill pm a log in a bit, but, my eyes are telling me it redirects lol
still minnow
so what's the general consensus on prot at the moment relative to other tanks in mythics/raids?
woeful reef
mythics doable but not optimal, raids we'll see. I'm looking forward to breaking down the logs after a couple weeks of uldir and doing some comparisons.
surreal stump
its reflectable
if u take boss first for first 4 stacks u can almost always reflect the first cast
ghunn i mean
was doing it earlier
still minnow
i feel very yo-yo-y and ignore pain just feels so bad even acknowledging it was nuts in legion
mystic ferry
I feel meh on some fights and really bad on others
ember crest
wish it was off global
surreal stump
ffs how do i even track spell reflect in logs lol
mystic ferry
Off tanking mother was just the only part of the whole raid where I felt other classes wouldn’t be 10x better
still sigil
is ilvl still all that matters in pvp or did they change it after 7.2?
still minnow
I thought mother was kinda simple for MTing
woeful reef
stat templates are gone in pvp now
still minnow
it really isn't a tank fight
surreal stump
it is but standing in the other room for interrupts and leaping around was meh
mystic ferry
I’m not saying main tanking mother isn’t way more fun
It also wasn’t hard
I just felt other stuff would be stronger
Having self heals would be nice for MT there
Whereas off tanking I felt really strong with interrupts, chaining victory rush, and mobility to interrupt during winds
still sigil
@woeful reef so do stats actually matter now in pvp?
trinkets and all that other stuff procs too?
ember crest
prot has been rough in pvp, getting taken to lunch by anyone with sustain, only rogues and some casters have been prey
still sigil
i only wanted to know in general cause havent played since 7.2, is this just a bfa pvp change?
still sigil
are u saying that traots and trinkets dont do anything in pvp?
mystic ferry
The exact opposite
raven kernel
Did stat templates get turned on now?
Cos when I did arena skirms they weren't enabled
mystic ferry
I was watching a rogue one shot with half his gear unequipped
amber siren
not what i meant by scaling, was watching xaryu, the numbers you see aren't the numbers the other players see
ie if you do 1000 damage the other player sees 980
plain vapor
noice, you can reflect explosive corruption on ghuun
raven kernel
That's open world tho right
amber siren
arena and open
raven kernel
Didn't feel like there was scaling in arena
gritty citrus
The fun of "prot warrior just aren't good enough" after 2 nights of normal tanking... might as well delete the account since I don't have mass grip.
still minnow
it would be nice on vek'koz
or vek-zok or whatever his fucking name is
big red bug
lapis pasture
💔
gritty citrus
"Risk a wipe b/c of the lack of mitigation" LOL... all they want is self healing.
mystic ferry
the people shittalking prot are not wrong
if you tryhard you can be as good as a different tank barely trying
prot requires really good cooldown management for very little reward
raven kernel
U seem really ignorant
mystic ferry
im not saying no prot warriors are good because a good prot warrior will still easily clear heroic
just that its very easy for them to be bad
raven kernel
Narujoa
prisma night
coo ty
raven kernel
Not sure if I logged out in prot tho
U can find my pic if u scroll up enough
Or search my posts in here
prisma night
yeah i did but the response was, "it could be faked"
so armory is my go to atm to prove my point lel
raven kernel
I guess..
static lance
that is a weird hill to die on
raven kernel
Check my loot history or w/e
crude summit
hey guys hows prot looking if you just tank m+
raven kernel
Depends on individual skill
potent anvil
pretty strong, imo. i had no problems farming 5's or getting a 10 done.
shut summit
you can spell reflect explosive corruption and it doesnt go on anyone else, is actually huge becuz its constantly cast on tanks @undone sun @prisma crane
CD lines up so that you can do every other one
but ideally you use it on the one that comes with blood feast so you can stack and have no balls to worry about
shut summit
its godtier tbh
undone sun
ah
haughty minnow
raven kernel
@shut summit = nurfed?
shut summit
yes
still sigil
what is that transparent shwirling wind that monks place on the ground in pvp?
shut summit
👋
manic perch
hey guys, can i ask is anyone else struggling with kings rest as a prot warrior i just feel like the adds absolutely destroy my anus especially the ones after the 1st boss in that room then later on before the 3rd boss again and also the miniboss before the last boss, i literally use all my cd's and still get destroyed
raven kernel
Kite zerkers to let your bleed drop
If you reach 2 stacks
Or dark iron racial pogchamp
For the shade of zul make sure somebody is soaking the floor thing
still sigil
it def a circle shapred ability
minor pecan
so my addon is telling me that a 340 ring with (186 Crit and 167 Haste) is not as good as a 340 ring with (227 Vers and 125 Haste) for my prot war. Thought haste would be better. Is Crit just that much lower that Vers?
raven kernel
There are no real weights for prot
rich robin
Anyone else have trouble on Zul? Killed the other tank and myself
minor pecan
Trying Zul tomorrow!
raven kernel
Just go with ilvl first then haste if same ilvl
minor pecan
they are the same ilvl and thats what i thought but my addon says the other is my second best ring with same enchants and everything. not sure
raven kernel
Idk what weights ur using there aren't any valid ones for prot
So disregard your addon
sick sentinel
I just let the berserkers do their blood leap nonsense.
stay where I am. dot gone when they back.
minor pecan
cool. thats what I thought but wanted to get a second opinion. thxs
sick sentinel
kill em.
rich robin
I'm talking about Zul, Reborn in the raid
sick sentinel
someone was talking about kings rest adds before.
manic perch
yeah me, that throne room adds destroy me
sick sentinel
the 4 kings?
sick sentinel
focus pet kill, max ranged king when he chain lightnings, backtrack as you go/tank with the one the drops pools, and idr the 4th one. I tanked them usually in the hall before the actual room with the kings.
long as DPS focus target is good, is easy enough.
plain vapor
the void lash doesnt put a healing debuff anymore does it
rich robin
When I did it earlier it still gave the debuff
plain vapor
it gives a debuff but it doesnt actually do anything it seems
from what im observing right now
dungeon journal says nothing about healing debuff either. seems like taking a full combo is really easy
rich robin
My journal says that it reduces healing received.
sick sentinel
lol?
raven kernel
Is that on normal
raven kernel
No idea
static lance
@still sigil might be Ring of Peace
rich robin
I'm US as well
raven kernel
The matrix is invading you
undone sun
even the debuff didn't properly list the description for me last night
tawny crown
hey all, are prot warriors looking at getting a buff anytime soon? The playstyle is unbearable comnig from legion
undone sun
just said void lash and the duration, nothing about what it did
raven kernel
Have you guys been doing 1 tank soaks all
raven kernel
Ip sb ip?
rich robin
We tank swapped after the full Might of the void and it was fine.
I used SR for the 2nd void lash
hot locust
SR also works for the 20% DR too on the lash parts.
empty birch
you can easily handle the combo by swapping on the 3rd
plain vapor
so the damage from void lash didnt seem to stack but the healing debuff did
is what im gathering
empty birch
i'm not certain that the healing debuff stacks but it strains the healers to take a second 90k magic blast when you have 50% healing debuff
it also only lasts 8 seconds so if your cotank takes the second blast he/she can pop a defensive and handle his autoattacks
rich robin
I see where you’re coming from, but my cotank is a blood DK. 8 second of 50% might be a bigger issue for him. However, we’re open to trying other ways to tank bosses.
cinder nova
@empty birch It's void, sunder, taunt.
Then the OT takes void
If you can't manage that then there may be either a healer or a tanking problem
Because neither me nor my bear even flinch from it
hot locust
You can just have the whole combo eaten by 1 tank and then swap
so that your active tank doesnt have the healing debuff at all.
sick sentinel
can azerite armor drop on M+?
shut summit
no
hot locust
Only out of the end of the week cache
sick sentinel
oh wow
raven kernel
Poggers if you get 380 dc next week
sick sentinel
i saw 385 + socket trinket drop already :p
merry cave
Laptop fan started to die while in Germany for 2 months.. no raiding for me lol
rough jasper
Question regarding Zul heroic: How are you supposed to handle 3 or more tank debuffs in last phase? My healers are going crazy over how much damage I take. Externals and own CD are running.
Oh and we play the burn strat with two tanks
sick sentinel
You can try to 3 tank if you have a lot of dps
rough jasper
what comp did you run? How many heals?
sick sentinel
Oof
hot locust
Dunno we killed him in 3 pulls
so we didnt really experience the last phase much at all
hot locust
Yes
rough jasper
Did you lust last phase or first?
raven kernel
Bop and dwarf racials work I guess
rough jasper
ok, we lust first phase and we wonder why we get rekt in last phase
sick sentinel
i realized from M+ also that iron dwarf might be much better than other classes
rough jasper
Thanks for the Info Lala
sick sentinel
so many bleeds in M+ in BFA
lapis pasture
So I tried tanking Fetid Devourer on heroic and my group kept getting him to around 35% but like when I run out of cds to string I just get fucking decimated by single autos
Im at 345 ilvl and pretty happy I can survive until 35% on him just wondering if anyone else has tried tanking him on heroic and is having a hard time staying alive
hollow jolt
I did, we did it on 3 tanks. Wariors swaped when out of cds and monk tanked the boss
sick sentinel
doesn't devourer enrage at 50%?
you shouldn't need cooldowns to survive just the basic attacks
lapis pasture
Yeah gets 25% increased damage
sick sentinel
ye
lapis pasture
idk he beat the holy hell out of me
sick sentinel
but you blew all your cooldowns in 15%?
raven kernel
Were you main or ot
hollow jolt
Yes, but hit like a truck all the time, every 3 AA hit bonus dmg off tank
lapis pasture
Had been stringing since beginning of fight
I don't believe I can have 100% uptime on AM right?
Everyone once in awhile im gonna go a 1 or 2 seconds without something
And in those 1 or 2 seconds he chunked the hell out of me
sick sentinel
you could try just using demo and cover gaps with shield block
it should be enough to keep you alive through the first 50%
lapis pasture
Yeah I could get through the first 50% no problem
Just the enrage buff just trying to figure out if I just need a bit more gear
If eLLTree had to use 3 tanks im gonna assume im right to think I need a little more gear before I can 2 tank it
vital wren
Hey valarjar warriors! Question: Is it really possible to be viable tank as prot in Uldir nowadays or do atleast pugs prefer tanks that aren't a warrior? How's the magic damage intake on boss fights? I'm struggling to get myself to play my main prot atm. Cheerios!
lapis pasture
I cleared the first 5 bosses so far on normal I didn't really have any problems with them
Tanked the first 2 on heroic pretty easy as well
Didn't try past that
sick sentinel
you can do anything in normal and don't pug heroic on the first day of the raid
lapis pasture
Nah man first two bosses really easy on heroic
hollow jolt
Cleared 3 on hc only the Fetid dog hit like a truck
But warrior was the best for offtank on him
old zephyr
I have not run HM yet, but my Dk cotank tales way more Damages than me and his self healing is no Where near enough to make up go it
sick sentinel
warriors should be one of the best tanks for fetid
if not thte best
it's all autos
vital wren
You restored some faith for me guys, thanks hah