protection

[paper flower]

just kill the boss 4head

[uneven mason]

Demo on the charge means it goes off before you're in range 😉

[plain ice]

bruh

i wait till i'm in range

[sick sentinel]

Then you don't generatr threat

[plain ice]

i've played prot for 10 years. i'm not a flipperhanded monkey, although i do appreciate the sentiment

[uneven mason]

But eh, the GCD changes are a matter of opinion

[plain ice]

holy moly

c'mon man, if you actually believe the GCD changes feel better and more fluid than it did in legion, then i honestly dk what to say

[uneven mason]

I didn't say anything about better or worse

[ember arrow]

dk know whatt osay

hehe

[wide juniper]

Nobody says it's more fluid. Just that it doesn't matter much

[digital arrow]

Lmao @ flipperhanded monkey

[uneven mason]

I think it changes how the spec is played in a minimal fashion, its like, the only thing that is REALLY noticable on the GCD is demo shout.

and even that doesn't feel "bad" to press

[ember arrow]

@digital arrow at 30 man hc thrash does 550k dmg

[plain ice]

and charge? hello?

[uneven mason]

Demo shout does a considerable

I don't notice a 0.5s GCD

[ember arrow]

i mean

[uneven mason]

because I can cast an ability mid charge

[ember arrow]

if you dont like it, dont play it,

or adapt

wow has gone over many changes

this is just one of em

[plain ice]

kind of like. casting demo shout mid charge

crazy

[uneven mason]

Like, I'll tell you this, I like this version of prot more than the WOD and Legion iterations

[ember arrow]

casting DS mid charge

and hit nothing with it?

[uneven mason]

that's what I said

[plain ice]

you can hit the whole pack

[uneven mason]

didn't believe me

[wide juniper]

Not mid charge you don't

[plain ice]

3/4 charge - w/e you want to call it

[digital arrow]

Prob Aly have to time it toward the end of charge 🤔

Probably**

[uneven mason]

You can 1. Avatar mid charge and have a 1s delay remaining when you impact but, have rage for shield block, or you avatar before you charge, so you can TC immediately upon engaging (and still have SB up)

you DS immediatly after taht TC

then TC again

like, the magic of holding aggro

[ember arrow]

@plain ice i do agreewit u somewhat, i stopped playing prot in bfa because it plays liek shit

it cna be effective, sure but ye

[plain ice]

@uneven mason i never said i had a problem holding aggro - i said that it works for me

[frosty wedge]

bru mentioned aggro, i think that was the disconnect

[uneven mason]

Levko Prot plays amazing, you're just a quitter!

[ember arrow]

call it what you want

[ivory barn]

Is 331 to low for a Mythic 2?

[chilly brook]

Prot plays fine

[uneven mason]

No Nerdbot

[chilly brook]

It’d play better with IP and Demo off the gcd

[uneven mason]

that'll be just fine

[chilly brook]

But it plays fine nonetheless

[calm whale]

Is there any plan to take IP off the GCD?

[shut summit]

@ivory barn should be fine

@calm whale 🤷

[uneven mason]

🏏 🐴 💀

[vagrant cape]

if you consider laying siege to blizzard HQ to get them to change IP a "plan" then maybe

[calm whale]

It crossed my mind

[ivory barn]

Trying to get to 340 guild won't let me raid till then lol and cool thanks

[chilly brook]

Speaking of siege

Looking forward to being a full time shield main now

[sick sentinel]

wtf raid offer only lvl 350 loots ?

[frosty wedge]

noral does

normal*

[uneven mason]

if anything I'd besiege them to boost up some of our weaker talents than worry about IP being on the GCD

[frosty wedge]

355

[sick sentinel]

yeah but that's pretty low no ?

[uneven mason]

355 Goub

no

[chilly brook]

I mean I’d like a higher absorb amount on IP over it being off the gcd

[sick sentinel]

oh on wowhead tooltips are at 350

[uneven mason]

its about on par with how Mythics and raids worked in Legion (15 ilvl gap)

[frosty wedge]

no, 355 normal, 370 heroic, 385 mythic

[sick sentinel]

nvm then

[uneven mason]

you mean, you'd like a higher absorb % Griff?

[chilly brook]

But Demoralizing Shout shouldn’t be on gcd

[ivory barn]

Bbl I'll link my too in a sec

[frosty wedge]

not necessarily higher % - higher total absorb amount

is what I feel IP needs

[chilly brook]

@uneven mason no I think the absorb percent is fair I mean the actual “up to x amount”

[uneven mason]

hm ok

I suppose

that's a tricky animal

[chilly brook]

Or idk I’d like them to bring t21 4 set baseline

That’d be cool

[uneven mason]

IP scales really well with our mastery, vers, and str already

as far as volume goes

and Weapon DPS

since WDPS is translated to its attack power value

[sick sentinel]

The weak talents have a bad playstyle tho

Super clap is fun

15% haste is more fun than a slightly bigger number on slam

[uneven mason]

agian tho, IP being a larger per cast, just means for MOST situations you'll cast it less often

[vagrant cape]

@uneven mason I had an idea that'd I'd love to see implemented with prot talents.

You know how we have this demo shout + avatar + thunderclap "build" because of the insane synergy? I want talent/trait combos that synergize as well for other abilities. I'd love to talent into a "revenge + IP" build or a "charge + leap + shockwave" build of equal power for different situations. There's so much potential that's being wasted on these stagnant talents we have now.

[sick sentinel]

I miss variable cost IP

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m fine with casting it less @uneven mason

It’d feel more weighty

[uneven mason]

I'm not heh

[final mist]

I'd prefer for it to be off the GCD.

[chilly brook]

I actually really loved the block interaction it had with t21 after prepatch

[final mist]

But that's just me repeating myself.

[digital arrow]

I'd prefer all abilities to be off gcd 😈

[chilly brook]

It actually gave me a reason to press revenge when it’s not lit up

[sick sentinel]

You already have a reason

[uneven mason]

Thats the thing tho

[sick sentinel]

Making your dps cry on aoe

[uneven mason]

if that was the case

You'd lose that choice

you have a choice right now - Revenge to spend rage, or IP again

if IP is a 100% uptime

or much meatier

[chilly brook]

Ehhh

[uneven mason]

that choice goes away you'll press IP to refresh it, and then use revenge to burn rage

[chilly brook]

I mean you’re still having to make a choice

It’s not like IP or SB loses its rage cost

[vagrant cape]

Imagine all the cool stuff we could do if blizzard let us have fun. What if a talent removed shockwave's stun but put the demo shout debuff on everything? What if spell reflect also granted shield block? What if IP had a chance to proc a thing that made shield slam hit an aoe cone in front of you? There are so many cool things that could change our gameplay so much, but we're stuck with this singular build for everything and I don't like it.

[chilly brook]

You just spend less overall on IP and shuffle it to Revenge

[uneven mason]

it doesn't but you'll be reducing the frequency in which that matters.

[chilly brook]

It almost never matters rn

It’s almost always a better bet to spend defensively at lower gear levels

[uneven mason]

Tanking raid last night

it matters a lot

I think having IP be a larger absorb would have really trivialized some situations

that actually had me engaged

[sick sentinel]

I'd be okay with current play style if there were less things that destroy prot

[vagrant cape]

fewer* but yeah, I feel like a lot of dungeons wreck me with unavoidable magic damage

[chilly brook]

That’s part of the reason why I think IP should be a little more beefy @sick sentinel

[vagrant cape]

I just want old spell reflect back, honestly

it feels so pitiful on large packs of magic mobs

[uneven mason]

If you try and bulldoze stuff, you'll probably get wrecked

Cmon now, PLAY YOUR CLASS FANTASY

Warriors are Strategists, tacticians

and occasionally we get mad and yell and hit things

[chilly brook]

I though my class fantasy was smashing people in the face with a shield

[uneven mason]

mostly getting mad and yelling and hitting things

[chilly brook]

While yelling

[vagrant cape]

I'm not even bulldozing, I'm talking about the normal trash packs of casters in tol dagor or SotS

[fathom marten]

When I hover over the chest graphic on the mythic dungeons window it says mythic level 2 wilil reward you a weekly item of 201 ilvl. Tf is going on here

[uneven mason]

There are so many sightlines in TD and SoTS

thats a bug from Legion (201 sounds right for Legion)

So like, no tank is going to truck through casters

gotta LOS them

[sick sentinel]

rage starving is a big issue too

[uneven mason]

do a little dance

hm

[fathom marten]

Thanks Ikar

[sick sentinel]

the difference between taking 0 damage and getting twoshot is about 2 rage per second

[digital arrow]

@fathom marten I saw the same thing and I could never find that chest anywhere

[ivory barn]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/thrall/Levixi here is my too that people keep telling me I can't do the M+ that's why I asked earlier

[vagrant cape]

There aren't any sightlines near the cultists pats after the two big tentacles

[fathom marten]

Rage starving when?

[uneven mason]

Rage use is going to be a by feel learning process

Byron there is

its called the bridge

[blissful imp]

Boss melee damage scales(however little it may be) with raid size, right?

[sick sentinel]

dying to a random spell you can do nothing about because you have 39 rage sucks

[chilly brook]

There are some times on a boss when I feel like my rage generation isn’t high enough

Nothing that’s cause me to wipe

But definitely get uncomfortable

[uneven mason]

If you're low enough that a single spell kills you Bru - the mistake was made long before that spell got cast

[vagrant cape]

@uneven mason are you talking about sightlines for LoSing or the ability to actually SEE the monsters?

[uneven mason]

LOSing

[vagrant cape]

how does one los on the bridge?

[uneven mason]

You have your group wait below the crest behind a pillar (there are pillars on the sides) jog up, heroic throw, leap back over the edge

they'll come to you

[chilly brook]

@blissful imp I thought it was only health and mechanics that scaled

[uneven mason]

faster than getting your ass chain stunned while trying to fight both packs at once.

[final mist]

Melees scale.

[chilly brook]

Learned something new today then

👌🏻

[vagrant cape]

that sounds safe, actually. It'll suck when the packs are patted far away, but I'll try that

[uneven mason]

Well they patrol closer

[final mist]

You should be getting hit harder by a melee in 30M Heroic than you will in 20M Mythic

[uneven mason]

and alternate

[dusk locust]

speaking of LoS, learned that you can LoS your own big red button trinket apparently

[chilly brook]

I just usually heroic throw and leap away

[vagrant cape]

they do, but they occasionally are both far away

[uneven mason]

yup

[final mist]

CC the lead mob and the rest will stand still

[uneven mason]

still faster to wait and get them one at a time

unless you have some baller DPS to burn them down inside of stuns/silences

[final mist]

So CC the one group you don't want to pull and wait for the other to come closer / out of agro range

[uneven mason]

^^

that too

a rogue can get them pulled while your LOS'd no problem

[chilly brook]

Class about to start

[vagrant cape]

oh yeah, I forgot that CCing the lead mob will stall the whole pack

it's so nice

[chilly brook]

Finna break out my switch and go hunt some monsters

[vagrant cape]

good luck getting a solid education

sounds like a fun bio class

[chilly brook]

Because who needs to pay attention to lecture amirite?

“History of Life”

[vagrant cape]

that sounds interesting, actually

[digital arrow]

Nice @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

When you’re a video production major and just knocking out one last rando requirement so you can walk in May

[vagrant cape]

Is it about evolution from the first simple cell to present?

[chilly brook]

Yea

Honestly not a super interesting subject to me

[vagrant cape]

I'd love to know where the whole "face" thing came in, honestly

what was the first thing with a face?

why is it so common among life?

especially the similar pattern of two eyes, two ears, a nose, and a mouth all in the same arrangement

it's fascinating

you should let me know if you find out

[chilly brook]

I mean this is an example of a video production classroom so when I have to sit in an auditorium I’m slightly bored

[vagrant cape]

damn, that looks like a NASA control room

[bold gale]

cool

[chilly brook]

That’s because it is a control room

For a live broadcast

[uneven mason]

How not to tank Thrash

[digital arrow]

Anyone staggering their shield blocks so they are timed with each thrash?

[blissful imp]

You should be if your the thrash tank. I was MT and Monk was my thrash tank

[digital arrow]

I see

[uneven mason]

6s duration 6s between thrash

but yeah, you don't want to empty air a SB

had to tell melee to stand closer a few times lol

cause the boss is so big

need that haste

[digital arrow]

Lol

[cerulean sail]

hi guys, as the prot cant not be simced by now where can I get some exact stats weights

[grim prism]

There arent any because prot cant be simced

Doesnt matter though, ilvl is always priority on armor and haste is always your best secondary

[cerulean sail]

ok yes I aware that ,just using pawn to make life easier

[chilly brook]

Don’t

[cerulean sail]

ty

[dusk locust]

i feel you on that having come from a dps but yeah, can't use pawn

[grim prism]

Pawn makes life harder for us. Lol

[cerulean sail]

why is that?

[chilly brook]

It lies to you

[cerulean sail]

but how , every time I simc stat weights after change gear

[sick sentinel]

Fucking Vectis my dudes. What size raids have you completed this guy on? We blew through everything and stopped hard at him.

[grim prism]

There is no meaningful way to precisely weight stats in a defensive context because there is no all-encompassing tank metric

[chilly brook]

Because you can’t get stat weights for prot

[dusk locust]

small raid sizes are reporting a lot of difficulty on vectis

[grim prism]

DPS sims are comparatively because you are always striving to maximize DPS

[dusk locust]

we cleared it (normal) without much issue with 30 people

vectis that is

[grim prism]

Also SimC is just objectively broken for prot war atm, so any weights it is generating are just wrong.

[chilly brook]

@dusk locust how’d you do with G’huun?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah we raid with 13. It's so fucking hard to manage vectors

[cerulean sail]

vectis is just fine

yes

[uneven mason]

yeah the debuff spreading is not scaled right i think on Vect

[cerulean sail]

SimC is broken for prot

[chilly brook]

Cleared everything except mythrax without much issue and didn’t down g’huun last night

[uneven mason]

doing him with 20 the only issue was me and the monk got stacks from derping and soaking shit

[cerulean sail]

are you doing normal or hard ?

[sick sentinel]

It doesn't even jump to the nearest person everytime.

[dusk locust]

we didn't quite get to p3 (basketball guys still need to get it down) but tanking him wasn't excessively difficult in p2

i found fetid harder

[chilly brook]

Yea I feel that’s the big problem with us atm

The balls

7+ minute fight without getting one beam off in p2

[sick sentinel]

Normal with everyone above 340 ilvl

[chilly brook]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[uneven mason]

I'll be doing Zul, Myth and Ghuun tonight >< when we only raid 2 hours a night, its hard to push for full clears

although now that we know the mechanics, it'll probably be a blowthrough

next week

[chilly brook]

Normal is an ez clear in one night

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[sick sentinel]

In what size raid

[uneven mason]

WHy do normal, when you could do HC

20~

[chilly brook]

Assuming your group doesn’t develop Alzheimer’s once you hit g’huun

[uneven mason]

we're raiding with the same raid that we'll be taking into Mythic

[grim prism]

To fish for tier gear @uneven mason owaitrip

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, the issue is having a smaller group making Vectis dramatically harder

[uneven mason]

To fish for Warforged shields!

[sick sentinel]

You have 7 more people to trade stacks to

[uneven mason]

yeah

[chilly brook]

Because tbh with personal loot your chances of actually getting gear dropping for you in normal that you can trade if you’ve already done heroic are low af anyways

[uneven mason]

there was mention that Vetis was going to be a problem for smaller raids

it could be that 13 is just sitting on the border of having 1+ stacks

and doing it with 12 would be easier or 14

[sick sentinel]

It's always 3 shots even in a ten man

[chilly brook]

Vectis wasn’t too bad imo

[fathom field]

I have no desire to raid at all with prot. I'm reading that farming m5 is a good strategy to hear. Anyone want to spec arms and fury and run some keys? :)

[sick sentinel]

Only stacks after 20 I think

Griff what's your raid size

[chilly brook]

We did like 25 last night

Trying out some trials

[sick sentinel]

Okay so again vectis would be easier for you

12 more people to trade stacks

[wide juniper]

Personal loot can suck my d

[chilly brook]

They pretty much balance around 20 people I wouldn’t take less

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I think we are going to have to PUG DPS tonigjt

[errant thorn]

New emote!

Enjoy TC while it lasts

[digital arrow]

Vectis not scaling for smaller groups seems like a massive oversight wtf blizz

[blissful imp]

They've never balanced well for flex groups below 20 people. Sucks but it is what it is

[digital arrow]

Ah

[sick sentinel]

It wouldn't even be an issue if it was like 2 vectors for under 15 people

[prisma crane]

[uneven mason]

I love how Warcraft logs now gives you the "last time used" on defensive shit that would've saved your ass

good way of saying "dude died because bad"

[steel mauve]

wasnt that there the entire last expansion?

if not longer

[uneven mason]

I never noticed it

probably was

but I was a filthy casual

and I didn't check logs

[fathom field]

teach me about this log checking stuff

assume I don't know shit about it.

[uneven mason]

go to warcraftlogs.com

and click on "Rankings"

and sort it

however you want

and then look at the tabs

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

[fathom field]

sweet

[uneven mason]

wowhead also has a nifty write up

that might be somewhat usful

[steel mauve]

also just takes practice

[digital arrow]

I'm still new and just found out about the mythic attribute Skittish 😨

[stark sage]

dont worry about it, prot does so much aoe dps that its basically not an affix

[tulip arch]

And really it's more of an affix that is the responsibility of the DPS to be cognizant of

Granted you should be looking out for something going wrong, but with good DPS it should not go wrong much

[modern pulsar]

How are you starting the pull for aoe? It feels like pop avatar/demo/tclap takes an age and by then im peeling mobs off the arms warrior

[fathom field]

Any other talent specs viable in mythic plus besides the one listed in the guide? I'm surprised how few issues I'm having in m5 with this build

[delicate prism]

Avatar before you charge.

[grim prism]

@fathom fieldno

[digital arrow]

Ah okok that's good

[fathom field]

I'm smashing faces

[frosty wedge]

@modern pulsar precast avatar, charge, tclap +sb, ds, tclap

[junior kernel]

is there currently anyway to sim prot spec on raidbots?

[grim prism]

No

[junior kernel]

doh

[grim prism]

Raidbots is just simc in a browser and the simc module for prot is broken atm

[junior kernel]

i noticed my fury spec has no issues but havent been able to use the prot spec in raidbots since launch

[grim prism]

Yeah, thats probably preferable to letting people run it on a broken module and get shit results

People are working on it but there is no ETA

[junior kernel]

fair

[modern pulsar]

Can avatar be macroed to charge or does gcd screw that idea

[fathom field]

I precast avatar charge t clap stun demo shout then shield block t clap

[modern pulsar]

Just to not lose that 2 secs of uptime

[stark sage]

the GCDs stop you

you could write a sequence macro but i dont recommend doing that

[steel mauve]

both on gcd any ways so you cant gain any thing froma macro

[modern pulsar]

Ok thanks for the precast avatar advice! Didnt think of doing that

[fathom field]

You can do a priority macro

[delicate prism]

Don't waste Shield Block uptime when the mobs are stunned.

[fathom field]

I demo shout then sb though

sb is up when stun wears off

[prisma crane]

is the rotation that difficult where people need macros for everything?

[fathom field]

lol not rly

[plain vapor]

@uneven mason where do you see the last time used thing for defensives

[modern pulsar]

Its not a difficult rotation its a matter of min/maxing which is why i come here for advice

[prisma crane]

i mean, dont get me wrong, macros can help, but i think in general (not pointing at you directly Erus) people try to use them more than they should

control is a beautiful thing

[modern pulsar]

Yeah i get it. I've been doing this since the 3 sunder days, but if anything will help me eek out a possible mythic plus win or raid boss kill i will use it

[prisma crane]

fair enough

[uneven mason]

Protection warriors can be bound to 4 keys with modifiers

3 keys if you're feeling snazzy

complexity we aint

@plain vapor under deaths

[plain vapor]

ah

yeah i see now

tight

[uneven mason]

if you look at each individual death it'll be like "This is what killed him" and above that "last defensive used"

[plain vapor]

have to actually click on a user

[uneven mason]

yeah

I mean, you COULD look at the death log all together

but you'd be looking at a lot of pointless "so and sos ineffectual HoT ticked for 342 | 0.44s"

Just remember, once you begin to see the data in logs, you cannot unsee, once you know, the excuse of "YOU DIDN'T HEAL ME" no longer works...

I mean, it could, but it'll be a reason

with factual backing

[dusk locust]

one of mine is terrible thrash, shield block last used 6.3 seconds ago 😛

[uneven mason]

Like, when sense died.

in his Heroic Fetid kill

was because SB wore off .2 s early BUT

But Last Stand was off CD

so no excuses

(in theory .2s is within the margin of error if there is any latency for a WA to update)

[plain vapor]

i got one shot by thrash last night

xd

[uneven mason]

Track that shit

[dusk locust]

you can only block 1 per shield block, so if you blocked 1 it won't block the next

[uneven mason]

THrash is one of those mechanics where screaming like a dog who shit on the rug is allowed

[smoky acorn]

Any idea if that shows in details in game?

[plain vapor]

yeah i have trackers n shit for my stuff

[uneven mason]

it should show if you've got details set up right

[plain vapor]

i mistimed some stuff and was seeing how the fight is

[uneven mason]

Like, if you're in trouble

[dusk locust]

i have a verbal countdown for each thrash

[uneven mason]

you start harping for externals

[plain vapor]

it was an enraged thrash too

[uneven mason]

@smoky acorn I prefer to use livelogging and then run Skada in game, because details is just too obnoxious especially when I can have WCL open in the other window and get shit done in game while perusing data

[vale gorge]

http://puu.sh/BqedJ/3d45374843.jpg is this any good?

[weary notch]

I uprgraded from a 340 STR trinket that was similar just for the raw STR gain

plus that has a socket. Depends on what you're replacing

[uneven mason]

the raw str

[inland mesa]

I forgot to bonus roll vectus, shame in the chat plz

[uneven mason]

and socket yeah probably better

@inland mesa the fuck is wrong with you

[vale gorge]

I have a 350 dinobone and a 340 emblem of zandalar

[inland mesa]

I guess roll heroic and normal g'huun now? :(

[little star]

any1 here tanked Fetid? which OT did you have and which roll did you have?

[uneven mason]

@inland mesa what were you too busy sniffing your co tanks ass? Do you feel the need to perpetuate the "stupid prot" meme through action?

that shamed enough?

[inland mesa]

The stupid server log in issues had me get on right at raid time and I forgot rolls and thought the shield was zul g'huun for some reason

<3

[vale gorge]

I just tanked Fetid heroic

[weary notch]

I still don't get the prot hate. I mean, I kinda get it fo M+ but I did better than my pally co-tank in raid last night

[vale gorge]

@little star

às prot warr

[uneven mason]

@little star Yes, I did both

[little star]

with what OT

[uneven mason]

Amazingly you rotate CD with your offtank

BrM

[vale gorge]

yeah we did the same

[little star]

in the enrage phase you rotate?

[inland mesa]

Yeah I was 500k to a mil less than the druid on fights I actually tanked and didn't gimmick

[uneven mason]

I dunno why everyone is like "You take the Trash and I'll take the normal melee, and we'll both be this for the whole fight!"

[vale gorge]

you can cheese the thrash though, with pala bubble and BoP

[uneven mason]

yeah

you can

for what a total of 18s of the fight?

[vale gorge]

uhh yeah?

[uneven mason]

I suppose if you had more than 1 paladin (who the fuck more than 1 paladin?)

[vale gorge]

to help you recharge some of your cds as tank

[uneven mason]

it does

didn't need it tho

I did call for Pain Supression and Barkskin tho at the last few %

[vale gorge]

well our guild is not as awesome as yours, so we did need it

[inland mesa]

People just have the sco vid and the omg you can't guarantee 100% reduction or heal yourself stuck in your head thus by maths prot is shit

[uneven mason]

Oh I used externals, I just didn't even think to ask for cheese (I've been a warrior too long!)

Sco never said we suck

he just said we were not going to be good in stuff

which was months TBH before we were finished and prior to the last 2 buffs we got

[inland mesa]

We weren't S tier which meant we did to the community

[uneven mason]

yeah I get that

but shit on the community for being lemmings not on Sco for doing his job

because it is literally his job

to produce media for Method

[inland mesa]

Which sure it feels bad in mitigation holes, but whatever outside of that and good timing we take less than the rest so I'm fine with that

[uneven mason]

We do feel good as long as we have SB up

And all in all we're doing awesome in M+

[stoic wagon]

Personally, I like warrior tanking lol

[uneven mason]

a bit underreppresented

but we're doing it

just fine, infact #1 Raider.io tank this morning

was a war

[weary notch]

I actually had to manage my resources last night in raid. Can't remember the last time I did that. Mannoroth, maybe?

and that was fun, though I'm not a fan of this raid overall. The fights are really uninspired for the most part

[uneven mason]

It felt good 😄

Wat

this raid is an innovation

in raiding

We had fights that didn't have hard tank swaps

like, each tank had a job

[steel mauve]

entry level raids are almost always bland though, its just a starter to get warmed up usually

[uneven mason]

but we didn't have to swap it was kind've "up to us"

[steel mauve]

granted i dont raid until the weekend so idk what this raid is like

[weary notch]

when "not having tank swaps" is an innovation, you need to up your design game

[uneven mason]

That is upping their design game

because tank swapping has been such a ZZZzzz mechanic for so long

[weary notch]

not by enough

[uneven mason]

its annoying

[steel mauve]

i would raather each tank have a role, than a mindless tank swap 98% of a fight

[uneven mason]

The fights were well done IMO

^^^

Basically that

[steel mauve]

not moving for an entire fight and hitting taunt every 10 seconds is kind of boring

[uneven mason]

I think my favorite 2 fights so far were mother and Vect

Because Vect was a challenge where it felt that every ounce of rage had to be spent properly or I would die

Mother because it let me go hogwild with my AE derps

and it was a lot of motion

[steel mauve]

we add tanks this round too or boss tanks?

[dusk locust]

kinda depends on the boss

[weary notch]

well, taloc had zero new stuff. All stuff we've seen before. Mother would be standing still were it not for the buster dodge and wind, mostly. Fetid was tank swap and little else. Vectis and on were reasonably fun. But compared to Ulduar, ICC, HFC, etc, the creative encounter design doesn't match up

[uneven mason]

Iron we can do either

[stoic wagon]

IMO prot warrior has highest aoe dps right now

Good add tanks

[uneven mason]

highlight of Taloc was taking bets on which monk would roll off the elevator first

[steel mauve]

HFC was an end tier raid, icc end tier, ulduar wasnt first tier, like EN was bland too, as a starter tier raid

[uneven mason]

Yeah but, Brunhilda you can't compare a opening raid to endcap raid

[weary notch]

I mean, I guess that's fair

[uneven mason]

ICC and HFC were amazing because (well ICC was amazing because it was Tigole's farewell from WoW) and they were the crown of the Xpac

[weary notch]

but I preferred the EN fights to these, mostly

and the highmaul fights

[steel mauve]

they never bring complicated boss fightsa out first, starter raids are always there to get you warmed up

[uneven mason]

Ulduar was massive, but If you released it as a raid now under a different name with a somewhat different look, people owuld be going "WTF is this garbage"

[fathom field]

Hell I thought it was complicated!

[uneven mason]

Ulduar also shined because it was sandwhiched between Naxxramas 25 and Trial of the Crusader

both of which were rather shit

Ulduar was complicated

Ulduar was great for its time

the hardmode toggles, I had a blast

but all the fights in there were nearly solo tankable

[fathom field]

^ got some thoughts huh

[uneven mason]

it was rather, compared to later raids, uninventive, but for its time it was amazing

[steel mauve]

i felt tanking EN and highmaul both over all were boring raids

[weary notch]

and the first raid tier in cata was the best raid tier that expansion

[uneven mason]

Cata was a full tier

on release

BWD and BoT

We've been following the MoP model of releases tho

since well, MoP

[weary notch]

firelands and deathwing raids were shit

[uneven mason]

so you have a 0.5 tier

[fathom field]

Does haste affect deep wounds' dot timer?

🤔 🤔

[uneven mason]

I Liked Fandral and Ragnaros

no but it does scale the damage iirc

I loved Dragonsoul up until Spine

[summer kestrel]

which poison to pick 🤔

[uneven mason]

ugh

I Mean

from a flat mitigation point, the mastery trinket might be better

but its hard to give up that much armor/str

[summer kestrel]

yeah but on attack procs on prot are kinda meh

[uneven mason]

whats the PPM of the effect

well, I use big red button for m+

its quite nice for a ranged pickup

[summer kestrel]

and for aoe spamming

avatar + tc + BIG red button "wow I like your dps"

but in raid is kinda a stat stick

[uneven mason]

I actually swapped to it for Zul

lol

Just so many adds spawning spread out

made me

for half a second, wish I was BDK

well....0.0005 second

[summer kestrel]

eh Im liking prot in this exp a lot, in legion it was a spam monkey for me, but eveytime I see those BDK i think "damm that guy is cool"

[uneven mason]

Its mostly because of grip

Like 99% of ever loooking at BDK for me is grip

because its just so handy

[next goblet]

^^

[fathom field]

pun?

[stoic wagon]

True

[next goblet]

im dedicated to maining prot war this xpac

[summer kestrel]

^

[uneven mason]

then I remember stuff like, "they move slower than a turtle fucking a upside down snail"

[next goblet]

i was brewmaster for legion

i love brewmaster

[uneven mason]

Unintended Screw

but

[next goblet]

but i refuse to play flavor of the month

[fathom field]

turtle...snail

[uneven mason]

they're slow

[fathom field]

👀

[summer kestrel]

thats why DH looks even cooler

[uneven mason]

alrighty

BDK is when you want to Roleplay walk everywhere

because no one will notice

[next goblet]

so i go prot warrior.. i just pray that i get good healers

[uneven mason]

Warriors are all about self reliance

you've gotta be good

since mistakes wreck us

[next goblet]

yes

[summer kestrel]

one minute of silence for aggramar stride 😑

[next goblet]

but a pooper healer can fuck us as well

[stoic wagon]

Oh yea, knowing those cooldowns and popping ip and sb and reflecting like a boss

[uneven mason]

eh

no more than any other tank Fuzzy

[fathom field]

Dont see many of those in mythics. Only for bad ones in heroic

[sick sentinel]

The only time I feel like I’m screwed is if the healer stands in bad and dies

Then it’s hard to finish things off because we don’t have a good way to regain health

[uneven mason]

I mean, I've hit a point where I throw on my Raptor King helm and self sustain through a M0 more or less

[sick sentinel]

Well I’m 338 because RNG hates me

[uneven mason]

BS + AV + IV

[sick sentinel]

I still don’t have a m0 weapon or shield

[uneven mason]

its a lot of healing overall, between that and VR procs because mobs die

[fathom field]

Yo I did 8/8 yesterday and 5 mythic +'s and got zero upgrades

[uneven mason]

I got 2 pairs of legs

[sick sentinel]

I know that feel

[uneven mason]

Vers mastery and haste mastery

[fathom field]

I mean wtf

[uneven mason]

kept the haste legs

handed off the vers legs to a holy paladin

[sick sentinel]

The gear will come I keep telling myself

[fathom field]

You should have made him pay

20k for the legs bra

[stoic wagon]

200k*

[sick sentinel]

Nah I pass loot like that hoping one day someone will remember me

And hook me up

[fathom field]

I see you need it. Well I need oswains and its 200m

that'll be 200 big ones mr. retribution

[stoic wagon]

And an extra 20k for being a pally

[sick sentinel]

If I forgot to bonus roll the regular world boss can I grab a seal and go rekill him and use the coin?

[summer kestrel]

ye

[fathom field]

what does grab a mean?

grab a seal?

[uneven mason]

Paladin paid me more than 200ks worth of healing lastnight

No Tobit, you can't

"seals of fate" the reroll coins

they made it so you can't kill the world bosses over and over and continually use rerolls

unless

they didn't carry it over

[summer kestrel]

you can only use one coin per boss kill / week

but you can use it whenever

[uneven mason]

hm

[summer kestrel]

even when already saved to the boss

[uneven mason]

Ok, go with that one, pretty sure I made the same booboo a while back in Legion and it didn't let me attempt a reroll even after rekilling the boss

[dusk locust]

er for clarity's sake, if i already killed taloc, can i go back in a pug, kill him again, and bonus roll?

[errant coral]

is disc of systematic regression any good for prot?

trinket

[ember arrow]

i killed fetid

[fathom field]

disc of who

[real rover]

I didn't find any prot guide mentioning the Laser Matrix azerite trait

someone has a guide and/or opinion on it?

[dark junco]

Been told dc is better

[real rover]

I only have bloodsport on it

[delicate prism]

bloodsport is worthless

[fresh dragon]

3rd boss HC... its impossibile to have ALWAYS active mitigation up

it spam the ability

200k damage

how the hell u do it?

[dusk locust]

call for externals or taunt swap when you run out of cds

[steel mauve]

pretty sure its meant to be taunt swapped, just use all your cd's call for a swap and let them use all their cd's

[dusk locust]

yeah. it can be soloed it's just more difficult

[errant dagger]

lets be real i actually struggle to raid hc with my warrior...

[grim prism]

DC is better

[granite flume]

hiu

[errant dagger]

let alone talk about mythic which is not out yet we need some fixing asap

@fierce juniper Did you do any raiding yet as prot warrior?

[fresh dragon]

lol the 2nd boss we suck in damage taken

when ppl pass the gate

[uneven mason]

have IP up?

[fierce juniper]

@errant dagger Uhh kinda. This week I ran heroic early on my warr so I was mainly arms. Did a couple of fights as prot

[fresh dragon]

sure but it its REALLY hard

the 3rd is ridicolous... it cast the ability every 5-6 sec

and without Act.Mit up it its for 200k

:V

in P1.. in p2 with enrage up it its for 250k

:V

[uneven mason]

Thrashisn't horribly hard to handle either direction you tank him

[astral crystal]

does azerite veins stack?

[uneven mason]

yes

[broken kite]

Man zul pre-trash is such a chore

[uneven mason]

I'll agree with that

Zul pre trash made us call it a night after 2 pulls on the boy himself

[broken kite]

I was so happy that the trash was so care free, then hit zul

[wide juniper]

We didn't taunt swap.

We just used externals.

The monk was getting melted when we swapped.

[uneven mason]

yeah

Monks will

[modern pulsar]

Any notable trash? My team raids thursday and plenty of boss guides, but trash is always a suprise

[uneven mason]

The blood adds before zul

[dusk locust]

^

[uneven mason]

the big dudes should be pull single or pulled far away from the rest of the trash

[exotic spoke]

^^

[uneven mason]

other than that, no not really

most trash was mowable

If there is a blood pool under your feet

move

is the name of the instance

[broken kite]

The big dudes can be soothed by druids too

[exotic spoke]

Stay out of bad

[uneven mason]

Yeah, but if they enrage all 20 of the little adds

[clear sapphire]

I was doing fine on thrash until CDs were all on CD and before I could ask for one my DH tanking the boss called for em >.< Leaving me Sol.

[uneven mason]

Druids arn't doing shit vs that

[broken kite]

Yeah pull em separate xD

[exotic spoke]

Says you. we had 8 druids last night >.>

[uneven mason]

VDH calling for externals while tanking normal melee

[broken kite]

We had 6 shamans

[uneven mason]

Playing that Emo boi class fantasy

[broken kite]

I'm not looking forward to heroic fetid

[uneven mason]

"It hurts, help me, he's hitting for 30k! help help!!! My HAIR MY HAIR"

[clear sapphire]

We we're doing heroic. Though at times it feels our healing would get behind on tank healing.

[uneven mason]

Yeah

That did happen occasionally

To be fair, the VDH probably gets hit for more like 60k on normal melee

[broken kite]

"oh prot warriors need healing now??"

🤔

[uneven mason]

Yeah all tanksdo

pretty heavy actually

Gone are the days of having 75% of our HP Pool up in an absorb

and then critically blocking everything on top of it

[exotic spoke]

and taking like 500 damage

[clear sapphire]

I was doing some keys and the healer was saying troughout the dunguen.. "what are you doing ? I have nothing to heal" at least that changed in raid lol.

[uneven mason]

"Scythe #13 inc? OH Lookie, NF came off of CD"

[broken kite]

Actually missing NF

Sigh

[uneven mason]

Yeah hahaha

NF would be handy for Thrash post 50%

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[broken kite]

Good for sb gaps

[exotic spoke]

I find I actually miss it more than I thought I would

[dusk locust]

same

[clear sapphire]

Something of the nature of NF should have stayed as a CD : l

[errant dagger]

its not the amount of healing we need its the amout of dmg we take in general its just to much ..

[split ingot]

stepping into Uldir tonight with the guild. Wish me luck boys and girls.

[exotic spoke]

Heroic or Normal?

[uneven mason]

???

[split ingot]

just knocking normal out tonight.

[errant dagger]

@split ingot good luck

[uneven mason]

Enu we're taking less damage than other tanks when played properly

[split ingot]

Praises @errant dagger

[exotic spoke]

That's what we did last night vanguy. You'll be fine.

[uneven mason]

like, a noticeable amount

[exotic spoke]

We've always been focused more on mitigation rather than recovery.

[uneven mason]

gotta be proactive

see your gaps

[split ingot]

Good way to put it @real rover

[uneven mason]

call for externals when they're gonna happen

[split ingot]

@exotic spoke

[errant dagger]

@uneven mason in general maybe but i did the runs with brm and warrior now both first 3 hc bosses and i noticed a huge difference

[exotic spoke]

I was taking less damage than our monk for almost the whole night. Tank swaps meaning I don't have to have 100% shield block up time for the whole fight is great. Can have damn near 100% while I'm actively tanking.

[uneven mason]

my co tank is a BrM, they take the most damage (on average) we take the least

if you're taking more than your BrM buddy, there are errors being made

[errant dagger]

nono i was in 2 seperate raids brm and warrior both mine

and i struggle with warrior and monk is pretty easy

[uneven mason]

Monk is pretty autopilot

Warrior is way more proactive and far more active in general

BrM is the favored tank because it has a lot of error forgiveness

[errant dagger]

maybe thats the difference but even with a high uptime on my demoshout i still feel like i have to work much harder then other tanks without getting a reward if you know what i mean

[uneven mason]

if we make a booboo we die as warriors

[grim prism]

The perk of monks isnt mitigation, it's smoothing

[uneven mason]

We do Enu that is our thing

[exotic spoke]

The reward is less overall damage taken. That's what I saw.

[uneven mason]

Reward is we're easier to heal

[next goblet]

so are lockouts still account wide to eliminate split runs?

[uneven mason]

punishment is we die

I don't think they're account wide

[grim prism]

Since when are lockouts account wide?

[uneven mason]

don't think that was ever a thing for Normal/Heroic

or eve mythic

[grim prism]

This is literally the first ive heard of it

[next goblet]

i thought they did that to eliminate split runs

[uneven mason]

no

[brisk flax]

pro tip

[uneven mason]

they did personal loot to discourage split runs

[brisk flax]

dont make boo boos

[bleak breach]

We suck atm lol

[grim prism]

No, they fucked master loot to elimimate split runs

Lol

[brisk flax]

sucks if your active mitigation up time is bad

get good at it and we are just fine

[uneven mason]

@bleak breach you can try harder than that bruvh, didn't even register on the g8b8 meter.

[bleak breach]

What’s a g8b8 meter lol

[grim prism]

(Hint: just like WQ groups, people will still do split runs it'll just be clunkier)

[wide juniper]

Maybe let the guild or raid leader decide what loot system to use

Instead of just fucking over master loot

[bleak breach]

Not possible for us to kept massive uptime anymore. Not at the stage of xpac

[broken kite]

Not everyone who thinks we're doing badly is trying to troll fyi

[grim prism]

Then youre doing it wrong @bleak breach

Dont get me wrong not everyone thinks prot feels great to play

But you can keep pretty massive uptimes on AM

[bleak breach]

18second base shield block cd, ignore pain in gcd. Then I guess demo shout counts sort of.

[grim prism]

You just need to be aware that SB isnt your only AM

(inb4 its literally AM)

Demo shout doesnt "sort of count", its just as critical to the rotation as SB

[bleak breach]

You can keep reasonable periods, trust me I can play prot. It’s just not matter how good you are, you’re gonna get smacked at stages

[delicate prism]

Not wearing pants increases your parry chance.

[uneven mason]

Yup Sokraxx guess what other tanks do?

get smacked at stages

[bleak breach]

Not too the same extent

[uneven mason]

0_o

VDH and BDK at base get smacked harder than us

[chrome falcon]

Anyone else been on HC fetid monstrosity?

My god, the pain

[uneven mason]

yeah

its rough

[grim prism]

They also dont mitigate as hard as us

[uneven mason]

use externals

[grim prism]

So its a tradeoff

[bleak breach]

Don’t oversell it. I love prot still find it fun to play, but we are just bad atm.

[uneven mason]

I'm thinking its you

I mean, if you want advice

[bleak breach]

We have great cds and stuff, still a low health pool.

[uneven mason]

we'll be happy to impart it

[grim prism]

i think we need some tweaks

Health pool isnt one of them

[uneven mason]

but coming in here and 🏏 🐴 💀 that prot is bad

just won't sit

[exotic spoke]

I disagree. I don't think we're bad. We're different. We have a different style of tanking / effective health / recovery etc

[bleak breach]

We definitely need tweaks. Prot is bad man. Don’t be naive.

[uneven mason]

esp when we now have live data supporting our niche.

[grim prism]

Bad at what

[broken kite]

I think the required tweaks (apart from IP gcd) are mostly utility for m+ attractiveness

[grim prism]

People are taking less damage as prot in raids than other specs

[broken kite]

Raid defensiveness seems good

[exotic spoke]

IP on GCD is probably the worst thing imo.

[bleak breach]

Shockwave is great now it’s baseline, really helps for mythic+

[dark junco]

Its not about less damage as about survivability

[bleak breach]

Yeah IP is a killer

[uneven mason]

You want M+ attractiveness?

Here's your fucking beauty school

[dark junco]

If we take less damage but we have a huge burst of damage taken sometimes

[sick sentinel]

lol

[dark junco]

We wont be mainstream

[uneven mason]

Literally top tank in M+ right now

[grim prism]

IP on GCD isnt the intrinsic problem, its the fact that they moved IP to GCD and tuned it down at the same time, which left us without a consistent rage spender

[uneven mason]

is a fucking prot war

[broken kite]

Bit defensive aren't you

[hexed geyser]

Anyone tried m+5 motherlode?? What a fuckin pain

[plain ice]

4 hours???

[frosty wedge]

it's a +16

[broken kite]

Let's give it a week and check the representation

[frosty wedge]

lol

[civic aspen]

Does shield blocking a boss ability completely negate the damage?

[grim prism]

Nooooooo

[uneven mason]

😄

[sick sentinel]

prot is still fine.

smh.

[civic aspen]

like fetid devourer terrible thrash it says its blockable

[broken kite]

It is

[uneven mason]

No PAirate block works on a damage reduction scale

[grim prism]

@civic aspen it reduces damage by an amount determined by your block rating

[exotic spoke]

@uneven mason I'm telling you.. I want to run four prot warrior + Resto druid on a fortified week. Everything is an AOE pull if you try hard enough

[grim prism]

Doubled for crit blocks

[sick sentinel]

literally. learn to play it, realize its NOT A SUSTAIN TANK, and maximize your stat priorities, work out your rotation.

holy shit.

[uneven mason]

If you can't plan ahead 15seconds

protection isn't the tank for you

[frosty wedge]

^

[old dawn]

Prot as a tank is dope as hell

[sick sentinel]

instead of spamming "sky is falling" nonsense that prot is bad when it clear is not for some of us.

[old dawn]

great tank.

[uneven mason]

I mean, that is basically what it comes down to, thinking about where your gaps are going to be a covering them

[grim prism]

@civic aspen the vast majority of single-target physical damage is blockable

[uneven mason]

Most fun I've had as prot in 2 Xpacs

[fresh dragon]

im quite depressed.. i died twice on devourer....

[uneven mason]

Takkero do you have logs?

[fresh dragon]

ye

just a sec

[old dawn]

it requires thought and foresight. It's the most interesting it's ever been

[grim prism]

I enjoy where its at

[old dawn]

and strong enough to match the thought it takes.

[sick sentinel]

its not a spam lazy class like DH or DK

[grim prism]

Again i think we need tweaks

But i dont think we are bad

[uneven mason]

Well lets not go too far

[sick sentinel]

or boring like guardian

[uneven mason]

BDK is not spammy tanking

thats how you die and tank like paper

you optimize your Deathstrike returns

otherwise you're going to burn out ofRunic power and drop like a rock

[grim prism]

Man I miss resolve. It was broken af but it was fun

[uneven mason]

SoO Garrosh solo tanking

Its like, the DPS we have now

[bleak breach]

I like the activity of prot, just the downtime of mitigation is too high.

[uneven mason]

but EVERY FIGHT

[prisma crane]

our dps now is nowhere close to solo tank garrosh in mop lol

[uneven mason]

we have effective 100% uptime for mitigation of some sort Sokraxx

[grim prism]

When i started tanking and i had no idea what i was doing i just had a WA for resolve and just mashed shield barrier when it was super high

Didnt even block shit

Still worked

Real protier shit guys

[next goblet]

i enjoy prot

[old dawn]

yea, you shouldn't have mitigation downtime.

[next goblet]

i'd just like to see us with some tweaks

[bleak breach]

No we don’t

[exotic spoke]

You don't need 100% mitigation through out the fight. You just need it when you're actively tanking. We can get that between SB / Demo / IP etc

[old dawn]

should basically always have block up.

[sick sentinel]

yes we do.

use rotation properly.

[grim prism]

@bleak breach you need to use defensive cooldowns rotationally

[fathom field]

@exotic spoke

I'd do that

[sick sentinel]

and gets better/easier with haste.

[grim prism]

LS with bolster = almost three SBs worth of block uptime

[fathom field]

1

[grim prism]

You cant just use SB and IP and expect to be fine

[exotic spoke]

@fathom field Are you alliance or dirty horde

[earnest zinc]

Prot seems lackluster

[grim prism]

Thats not how we work right now

[earnest zinc]

Seems like a DK or Monk can do way better in raids

[bleak breach]

@grim prism I know man, I’m not exactly the average prot warrior. It’s just no matter how good someone thinks they are, prot is just sitting a little too low.

[grim prism]

Throw coolies early and get them back up quick with anger management

Honestly raids should be a non-issue. With a tank swap involved you should have more than enough effective uptime

[bleak breach]

We are always a great raid tank

[grim prism]

M+ is the only context i'm talking about being undertuned

And even then i think it's overstated

[bleak breach]

Well to fix the mythic+ issue

Just go with a good mistweave monk, you don’t even need to mitigate

[earnest zinc]

Will I be able to tank M+ for gear without any issues?

[potent anvil]

im just gonna say, getting a +10 done this week was significantly easier on my warr as prot than my brewmaster. equal ilvl considering.

[fresh dragon]

Vectis HC incoming.. lets pray..... 😄

[exotic spoke]

But yet @uneven mason is linking that we're the highest rated currently.
Yes I know that sample size is incredibly small but its a good starting point.

[grim prism]

@earnest zinc that depends on you specifically

[bleak breach]

@earnest zinc easy, depending on group and difficulty

[old dawn]

you will. just play well.

[dusky sentinel]

U up at +10 already? Damn

[old dawn]

prot is fine. I'd rather be where we are than op and fotm and then get nerfed

[earnest zinc]

I remember being brokenly OP at launch

[dark junco]

We’ll do a 10, expecting a 1-2h something run

[earnest zinc]

Though part of that was EN being undertuned

[grim prism]

Which launch? Lol

[potent anvil]

i honestly tanked a pack of like 6-7 rotating CDs and held like 30+ stacks of necrotic

[dark junco]

Got a 14 and a 16 we wanna downgrade first

Never been able to do 7+ in time at the moment, not used enough to pulls and all

[exotic spoke]

I remember topping healing charts as a prot warrior in Antorus at points.

[dark junco]

Espacially on dogs

[exotic spoke]

1.5 Million HPS

[earnest zinc]

I thought blood DK was the goto tank that tier

[exotic spoke]

Basically Solo tanking dogs

[dark junco]

With t21 and t20 ‘ol

[next goblet]

^^

[dark junco]

Yeah I was solo tanking H dogs

[granite flume]

is mchimba's ritual bandages good for tanking?

[exotic spoke]

Garun, I've played a warrior since day 1. I don't really play alts. My guild is now a two night a week mythic raiding guild and no longer going for region top ten like we did in vanilla / TBC. As long as I'm not holding the raid back I'm fine.

[sick sentinel]

@grim prism #1 tank US current is prot warr mythic+16

We're fine.

[dark junco]

Yeah but its a 3h almost 4h run

[grim prism]

What are you tagging me for

[dark junco]

And pretty much everyone else is doing h antorus and spamming lower level keys

[fresh dragon]

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[dark junco]

Yeah

Many times, logs wont load properly

[granite flume]

is there place i can see what stats prot actually needs? seen a lot of different stuff

[grim prism]

Busy week for them im sure

@granite flume in the pins

[granite flume]

pins?

[grim prism]

Tldr: Ilvl > haste > whatever

[dark junco]

Theres no strings or anything, only order on icey veins

[grim prism]

There is a guide in the pinned messages

[granite flume]

how do i get to those?

[dark junco]

And for traits I’ve seen 30 ilvl to replace DC

[granite flume]

oh guides

dug

duh

[sick sentinel]

Because you stated concern of prot warr undertuned for mythic+?

Unless I misread

[fathom field]

anyone know the +16 prots build?

[grim prism]

I think that +16 is more a testament to that guy's patience than prot war's fitness for M+

I mean

Four hours is longer than i played total last night

[fathom field]

@exotic spoke
alliance

[exotic spoke]

It means someone tanked at least a 15 on time. I'm curious about who had the key.

@fathom field I like you more already

[steel mauve]

unless you used the bug to your advantager from last expac

[fathom field]

love me. use me.

[steel mauve]

and got a 16 out of your first mythic

[exotic spoke]

lol

[fathom field]

Looks like that's what he did he went from 6 to 16

[grim prism]

And @sick sentinel you misunderstood. i do think we could use some tweaks, but that was more about saying that nobody should be having problems in raids, than saying people should expecr problems in m+

@exotic spoke @fathom field they mistakenly handed out +16 keys for people who completed high keys in the end of Legion. The guy didnt work up to a 16

Again

They were in there for four fucking hours

Im sure they knew what they were doing and they did it on purpose

[fathom field]

That's how long it takes me to make a woman orgasm

[ember arrow]

[grim prism]

Did you try using demo shout

[fathom field]

There is no time on love

If you succeed sometimes you have to give her a key

[grim prism]

[exotic spoke]

@grim prism Fair, I was assuming the best.

[granite flume]

i find it odd another warrior with the same ilvl as me has 50k or so more hp

[grim prism]

I mean

If they DID timer a 15

[opaque pagoda]

so is anybody around here still beating the "prot warriors feel fine" drum?

[exotic spoke]

Probably stam trinket magi?

[fathom field]

yes

[steel mauve]

indomitable?

[grim prism]

They sure fucked the hell out of the next one

[granite flume]

i mean 10% really going to add 50k?

[exotic spoke]

Yes Krom. Because we're fine

[fathom field]

If I can do +5 keys on launch day anybody can.

[grim prism]

How come this guy hasnt been kicked yet

All he fucking does is complain

[fathom field]

Top m+ tank rn is a warrior and I'm melting faces in five mans

[grim prism]

Jesus christ it must suck to know you irl buddy

[ember arrow]

ITS TIME TO STOP

[grim prism]

Holy fucking cow

@mods

[inland mesa]

no, if we claim we're bad they'll leave us alone with tuning next week 😉

[fathom field]

I thought raiding as prot sucked but maybe I just suck. Ppl here say they did great.

[inland mesa]

anyone have a good working threat plate mod, both the ones I used to use suck now or don't work properly

[grim prism]

Raids shouldve been easier than m+ @fathom field

I mean you did one of them right so good on ya

[fathom field]

^ nope

[final mist]

@inland mesa the new Tidy Plates is as good as the old one.

[fathom field]

I'm like 2 or 3 in total dps most runs at 345

[inland mesa]

that's what I literally just looked for and twitch just said the only updated version of it was 7.0.1

[final mist]

There's one that's not the Old tidy Plates

[opaque pagoda]

I just think it's unfortunate that some people just feel obligated to tough out any shitty state of affairs, rather than demand improvements

[final mist]

It's called like "Tidy Plates Redux" or something

[grim prism]

Go to the forum if you want to demand shit

[final mist]

Maybe because the spec is fine and just needs some QoL changes, similar to every other tank?

[grim prism]

We dont work for blizzard

[weary notch]

Threat Plates

[steel mauve]

i think it's if you dont feel fine then you probably arent playing well

[weary notch]

I was able to get ThreatPlates to work and look exactly like TidyPlates. Also by the same author who did the original TidyPlates ThreatPlates addon

[opaque pagoda]

haha yeah, that's it

surely

[final mist]

Demanding and complaining here does nothing - Blizzard doesn't read these servers, and frankly, I'm tired of the constant doom saying from you and other people.

[weary notch]

https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/tidy-plates-threat-plates

[final mist]

Take it elsewhere.

Like the forums, where you can actually talk to Blizzard.

[fathom field]

Anyone mess around with a devastator/heavy repercussion build?

[grim prism]

Nah not really

[final mist]

Yes, and it's worse than the current "meta" one.

[fathom field]

You tried it in mythic?

[final mist]

You "get" more SSs, but that does nothing for you.

[dark junco]

Blizzard doesn't listen to forums, it listen to the community

[final mist]

We tested talents and other things extensively on beta and live.

[grim prism]

I think he meant the SB uptime aspect of it more than deva

[fathom field]

oo

[dark junco]

If anything we say here gets traction, they're more bound to listen to it

[fathom field]

ya the sb increase

[final mist]

What do you know Kral, the forums are the community too

[grim prism]

Not that im disagreeing

[inland mesa]

I mean, what did you feel was bad? Blood soaking on Taloc was so easy and cudgel placement, Mother add control in other room was spot on, Fetid we're best geared for I only died cuz I blew a shield block charge when ranged didn't kill the add, Vectiz I took 600k less than the bear, Zek Voz I took 500k less than it and that's with not knowing the fight and needing to get timing down. What feels bad besides it being counter inuitive to have gaps and just face tank, but we've had that a while and just call for externals