protection

[robust urchin]

None

[sick sentinel]

It's that bad now?

[frosty wedge]

not that bad - justr nothing thats tands out

[amber siren]

strongest cooldowns than the other tanks classes

[muted wyvern]

Mark of Warsong enchant for 1h not worth>?

[wary crystal]

holy shit boys I finally GOT A WEAPON

now what enchant.. gale force?

[cinder nova]

@muted wyvern @wary crystal

[sick sentinel]

Jesus christ Mythrax

So

His melees are crazy

[weary notch]

well, I took less damage than my paladin co-tank tonight. So there's that

especially on magic heavy stuff, like Vectis

I outhealed him, too

[daring patrol]

devourer is insane on intake

[grim prism]

@weary notch but👏your👏self👏sustain

[weary notch]

IP is mah self sustain

[junior ivy]

soo wow vectis is hard

[chilly brook]

Wtf is G'huun

[hot locust]

pain

he is pain

pure and unbridled pain

[ember arrow]

@junior ivy vectis is zzzz

patchwork

i dont think there are that many warriors to begin with competing oof

[chilly brook]

not at all

I'm a dummy

[astral crystal]

lala

now that you're here

is the archive of the titans trait worth a shit?

got a thicc 370 helm

but i'd be giving up my 340 DC

[fierce juniper]

not worth giving up DC

for that trait

[astral crystal]

the trait on it is brace for impact

[candid cove]

even at 30 ilvls?

[chilly brook]

I thought I beat Marok's parse

But then I realized

Wrong difficulty lul

[ember arrow]

i thought it was 25ilvls

the threshhol;d

[chilly brook]

Shoot me

please

[ember arrow]

which one u did?

[fierce juniper]

Just a rough threshold. You're probably still losing survivability by giving up DC.

[astral crystal]

gotcha, thanks

[fierce juniper]

If you take Brace though it's probably pretty close. I mean, it's kind of one of those things where it doesn't matter. As in, either choice is gonna be really close in value.

[chilly brook]

Honestly why does everything seem to hit so hard in the later half of Uldir?

[astral crystal]

i did end up taking brace regardless

just wasnt sure if archive was worth anything at that point

[daring patrol]

how are we supposed to deal with Terrible Thrash? Just let the other tank do it?

[chilly brook]

Save shield block?

It wasn't an issue for me

[fossil spindle]

My spidey senses are tingling

[daring patrol]

I was getting hit for 214k through block

[chilly brook]

uhhhhhhh

wut

[daring patrol]

Was just flat out unable to take them. Had to have our monk do it.

[chilly brook]

What difficulty?

[daring patrol]

heroic

[chilly brook]

It should show up as melee damage in logs yea?

[hot locust]

@astral crystal sorry was afk, and yeah I think brace is better still.

[junior ivy]

this ... sounds like a stupid reason to decline me 😦

it was for a shrine +5

[lilac onyx]

did they buff prot?

[stoic kite]

is this trinket better than my 350?

[chilly brook]

Ah that would make sense hit's the closest target to the tank

No wonder

Either way my DK offtank only took 100k hits from Terrible Thrash in normal which was like 172k hits on average before mitigation it seems.

Definitely feel like a lot of this stuff is over tuned though as far as tank damage is concerned

[kindred flint]

how are we supposed to tank the last trash pull before Vol'kaal in Atal'Dazzar? the grp that drops mad poison on the ground

[chilly brook]

Kill everything first then kill the totem and the big dudes

they don't start dropping poison until the totem is dead

[kindred flint]

not the boss, the trash before the boss

by the stairs

[chilly brook]

Yes

I know

They still have a totem

[kindred flint]

yah the sec i charge in, im 50% hp, this was in mythics 2

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

What ilvl are you

[kindred flint]

341

[chilly brook]

really dunno what to say then

[kindred flint]

i guess we just need to CC more then

[chilly brook]

Maybe

But priestess chicks should die first

then totem

then big dudes

[kindred flint]

ok

thanks

[wide juniper]

Kiss my ass, thrash

[astral crystal]

charging in and getting clapped is prot warr life

just throw up sblock and demo

you wont run a risk of death

[serene shuttle]

anyone done motherlode m+ yet?

[native kelp]

yes

2x +2

ilvl 343

[serene shuttle]

it's necortic at +4 isn't it

[amber siren]

ye

wait no

sanguine at 4

[serene shuttle]

ok

well here goes gonna try a +4 motherlode

[junior ivy]

i got a 375 item !!

[amber siren]

💃

[fossil spindle]

Gz dude

[frosty wedge]

nice

Just ran 3 m+'s and got 0 drops

[junior ivy]

thanks 😄

[frosty wedge]

we had 4 of my normal group and 1 pug for each - both of the pugs got 370 titanforges

lol

[modest dragon]

Did a motherload +4 fairly easily with a mw, about an hour ago @serene shuttle

[frosty wedge]

just did a 3 king's rest, not too bad

shadow of zul is the hardest thing in the instance

lol

[junior ivy]

i just did +5 shrine

surprisingly not bad

[frosty wedge]

nice

[junior ivy]

we would have beat timer if it wasnt for tentacle being stuck in sanguine

[frosty wedge]

lol

that sucks

[junior ivy]

ialso did a +4 siege of boralus

didnt come close to beating timer

like 12 mins over

and 2 chested a +2 freehold

thats all ive done so far

[frosty wedge]

ah, I've only done a 2 underrot, 2 king's and 3 king's

beat the timers on all of them, no 2 chests though

[old dawn]

2 underrot was a bit painful

[frosty wedge]

yeah, thsoe ticks are gross

[old dawn]

healer was just not prepared for some of the damage spikes.

especially the ticks.

the two pulls of ticks are basically just guaranteed death, lol

[junior ivy]

what dungeon drops jes howler trinkety

iu forget the namr

[frosty wedge]

haha, yep pretty much, I was also with an entirely melee group

if you have mages it's super trivial

tol'dagor

jes' Howler

[junior ivy]

i should do that dungeon now

[frosty wedge]

yeah for sure

[old dawn]

had a frost mage and a hunter, but the brief exposure to the bite debuff was bad.

and the one pull with the ticks and the maggot

🤢

[frosty wedge]

haha, I legit avatar/last stand leaped, tclapped, and ran the fuck away

[old dawn]

that's what I had to start doing

rofl

besides that, did a 2 waycrest

that was pretty fun.

waycrest is probably my favorite of the current dungeons.

[junior ivy]

i hate waycresttt

[frosty wedge]

I also hate waycrest

[junior ivy]

im convinced ill never know my way around

[frosty wedge]

yep.

[mystic ember]

Any tips for living P2 on Zul?

[junior ivy]

who is zul again

[daring patrol]

waycrest is awful, especially raal's trash with sanguine

[junior ivy]

oh nm i havent gotten to zul yet

i only did first 5 bosses

[mystic ember]

The DoT is just trucking me. Even after the swap.

[junior ivy]

would it be crazy to attempt a +20 this weekend?

[fossil spindle]

Yes

Saw few +15s yesterday and all over by an hour or so. Have to check now.

[chilly brook]

Honestly who at blizz thinks the tank damage is ok rn in Uldir lol

[onyx vessel]

How is uldir

Painful?

[chilly brook]

First few bosses not bad

Last few are painful

Off tank on fetid for example takes 100+k hits

In normal

[onyx vessel]

Matters whos ot

Prot wouldnt do great unless its blockable

[chilly brook]

It is

Still hits for 240k in heroic apparently

[kindred plume]

how is prot warr surviving zul stacks in phase 2? damage is nutty

[chilly brook]

I didn’t lol

Neither of our tanks did

[onyx vessel]

3 tank it

[chilly brook]

Downed him without a tank

[onyx vessel]

Dh tanks would suck on fetid

Lel

Best would be bear/prot warrior/pally and monk

Or 2 monks

Lul

[chilly brook]

I mean it’s just dumb the amount of damage tanks are taking

Really wouldn’t be surprised to see a nerf to the damage intake

[near blaze]

guys . if you remmber at Tos raid the raid comes out be4 the reset with 1h we killed like 3 boss's be 4 the reset . this may happend now ?

[dark junco]

well we stopped on ghuul in normal, doing heroic thursday, been told fetid is a nightmare for tanks

ghuun or whatever

[undone sun]

fetid's thrash definitely hits like a truck

[chilly brook]

Ya g’huun tore us apart in normal

[serene shuttle]

+2 tol dagor just a pity chest, +2 atal, just 1 key upgrade, +2 kings rest, a pity chest, +4 motherlode, a pity chest =/

I don't know if it's me as a tank or the dps in the groups -__

[undone sun]

we went straight into heroic and got to zul tonight

[mystic ember]

Motherlode timer is pretty hard to hit. You have to pull everything basically.

[serene shuttle]

wasnt just the timer, just felt like i get tanked at times

[lucid ginkgo]

Shit hurts. 😦

[hot locust]

Only boss I really think is ridiculous is G'huun. Everything else felt ok.

[hexed geyser]

How is prot warrior doing in mythic plus so far ?

[hot locust]

Some stuff hurts like a bitch, but feels fine for the most part.

Necrotic is no fun, as always.

[merry cave]

We did a 7 Kings rest last night, trash in there definitely smashes tanks

But did a few 4/5 and they were very simple

Should of timed the 7 but we lost our usual key healer and having trouble finding a new one as a good replacement

[lofty crow]

Is stronger together worth a crap as a tanking talent

over brace for impact

[merry cave]

What talents are those 🤔

[raven kernel]

its on pvp gear

dunno the numbers for the buff

[modern brook]

How did people feel with MOTHER? We tried solo tanking it and I had trouble maintaining ignore pain through the raid damage portions

[lofty crow]

Im thinking better for M+ because its only for 4 other allies and may help with group output/survivability

[chilly brook]

I mean I think Zul’s dot is insane

[modern brook]

I'm unsure if I suck or if thats just hard for us to do

[merry cave]

Ooo of course azerite traits, I knew I'd heard brace for impact but couldn't remember wtf from 😂 😂

[hexed geyser]

Am sitting at the moment with 346 ilvl wondering if I should just start with +5 m

[chilly brook]

Perfectly doable for a +5 at 346

[rich robin]

I did a 5+ Altal’Dazar today

At 344

The trash was a pain, but the bosses were fine

[snow nest]

Shields are a lie

[rich robin]

Because they never drop?

[mystic ferry]

whats our new bis trinket?

[merry cave]

The one that titanforges a lot

[amber charm]

So is warrior tank worth trying or should I roll something else?

[amber siren]

[old zephyr]

So any news about today's dreaded tuning ?

[chilly brook]

I mean all tanks seem to be getting hit just as hard as the others @amber charm

[prisma night]

How many stacks of rupturing blood do you guys take before taunt swapping for zul

[daring patrol]

everything has it's ups and downs, play what you enjoy unless you're in a top guild, you'll do 10x better on something you like playing vs something you dont

[prisma night]

5 ended up killing both tanks 1 prot war 1 dk at one point or another

[chilly brook]

Bruh zul’s dot is insane

[prisma night]

Right?

[torpid fulcrum]

i think prot will be fine in raid

[prisma night]

We downed him but fuck that bleed

[torpid fulcrum]

but in M+ it will very very hard to play

[merry cave]

Tuning will be next week probably

After a week of heroic and mythic + data

[lapis pasture]

Whats the reason for us having significantly lower hp than other tanks

Went into a raid today and a DH had like 30k more than me with same ilvl

[prisma night]

Probably the passive. It gives different % increases to different classes

[daring patrol]

"30k AoE dps? they don't need that HP"

[lapis pasture]

I think we're the lowest hp tanks

30k more hp

Was my off tank

[prisma night]

Vanguard only gives us 35% increased stam

[undone sun]

because we have the option to pick indom ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma night]

Dk gets 60 iirc

[old zephyr]

Ip gives us the rest

Plus shitload Damage réduction

[digital arrow]

Where's muh hp blizzard

[old zephyr]

We have the best EHP

[chilly brook]

@prisma night their reasoning is because EHP

[lapis pasture]

I don't know man

Saw my first brewmaster monk tank today

Guy didn't take damage

[chilly brook]

Oh no they take all the damage

[prisma night]

Guy didnt spike* you mean

[lapis pasture]

He didn't drop below 85%

Was a good boy

[prisma night]

They take the most dmg but its easiest to heal

[chilly brook]

Yea they don’t spike much

Exactly

Technically they don’t “mitigate” attacks

[digital arrow]

Panda monks have that extra fat layer, you see. More cushion

[lapis pasture]

If they take the most damage but they are the easiest to heal do they really take the most damage 🤔

[old zephyr]

Yes Because healer have mana

[lapis pasture]

🤔

[swift willow]

Yes because they turn everything into a dot

so they don't spike but they're always taking dmg

[lapis pasture]

Yeah I know I played brewmaster last expansion

Went back to my OG warrior for this xpac

[sick sentinel]

We have more Armor and IP lets you basically make up the difference with one cast

Obviously this means you get fucked by magic

[lapis pasture]

Yeah did a king's rest +2 when we got to the shadow of zul trash it was a real fucking struggle to stay alive

Don't think I can live any higher than that difficulty just yet

[digital arrow]

Yup same here man

[sick sentinel]

That's literally the worst dungeon for you

[ember arrow]

Evenwhile kiting him? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

You kite or you die

Idk line of sight it

[ember arrow]

No u dont

[digital arrow]

Sometimes I gotta leap away to have some moments to recover health

[lapis pasture]

Yeah I didn't try to kite him I had good dps so just wanted to burn him down quick

[sick sentinel]

That's what it's for

[digital arrow]

Leaping away like a coward but at least I live

[dark junco]

That beauty

[onyx vessel]

Damn if only it had avoidance

[dark junco]

it would've been more than the 375k I paid lol

[onyx vessel]

Lul

Prob worth like 300k tomorrow

But eh yolo

[dark junco]

Will still be pretty good even after heroic Uldir tbh

[onyx vessel]

Ye

Uldir overtuned ive been hearing

Should be fun

[dark junco]

it is

Fucking trash cleave on heroic is wtf

[onyx vessel]

Oof

I raid on on saturday prob be nerfed by then

Joys of nightcrew jobs cant raid during the week

Hows normal

Faceroll?

[dark junco]

Mother is a bit somethign if your raid is dumb

Zek is a pain if group is dumb

[onyx vessel]

Well shit

[dark junco]

Ghuun, even on normal, is kinda hard

[onyx vessel]

Means its a good final boss

[dark junco]

And Mythrax is a pain if your dps loot all the essences

Also shit hits hard, every-fucking-where

[onyx vessel]

Just take 2 monks

Nothing hits hard

[dark junco]

Welp, its warrior's discord

But yeah

2 monk gg

Sadly i'm no monk

[onyx vessel]

Prob what the tanks gonna be for mythic

2 monks or monk drood

[dark junco]

Either that, or a druid

yup

druid with shitton of vers

Cause there's a decent amount of shadow/nature/magic damage

Alright i'm off, gnight bro

[onyx vessel]

Mostly phys

Which is why monk and drood

Only 3hrs left of work

[prisma night]

Zuul bleed is overtuned for sure

My co tank got up to about 38k dtps in the time it takes to get 5 stacks and for it to drop off

I got up to about 32k dtps

[empty birch]

tank damage is out of control in heroic uldir lol

[prisma night]

My comment was for normal zuul, makes it even worse

I dont even want to think about heroic

[clear sapphire]

After getting 4 bosses in heroic I felt like my #$%@ was getting pushed in a bit. I hope it gets better with ilvl

[restive orbit]

how is Uldir treating us warriors?

[lapis pasture]

Vectus DoT tears my ass

[amber siren]

👏

[raven kernel]

dark iron dorf

[clear sapphire]

@lapis pasture I thought vectis was a breathe of fresh air before going back into the slaughter house.

[mystic ferry]

You’re basically just depending on your dps lol

Vectis is real ez to tank with coordinated dps

But if people are shitting the bed it’s impossible

[clear sapphire]

Most clenching boss I think so far has been the fetid devourer. I tanked the thrashes. each one scared me a lil.

[prisma night]

Does dwarf racial work on zul?

[solar spear]

tank damage isnt overtuned tank healing is undertuned XD

[prisma night]

Yeah our hps for ourselves gets maxed out pretty quick

[wild hamlet]

so how have you been finding it?

Are we surprising everyone?

[fresh dragon]

if i reset a M+ key

it will goes down by 1 level?

[ember arrow]

Ye

[tidal spire]

What do I need to prioritize after haste?

[tiny sphinx]

moar haste

[tidal spire]

Lol

[tiny sphinx]

i don't understand the question, but most ppl will tell you to check the pins

[tidal spire]

You must be jokan with me

Vers or mastery

[undone sun]

depends on the source of damage

[ember arrow]

Alot of bosses like MOTHER are almost all aa dmg

There mastery shines

[tidal spire]

And in m+ as well I assume

[ember arrow]

Yea

Autos were always at least 50% of total dmg

Same as legion

In m+

[tidal spire]

Thanks boys.

[prisma night]

Out of dk or prot war whats better for terrible thrash on fetid?

I did thrash cuz we can block it

[ember arrow]

Well

Does either get oneshot?

[prisma night]

But he still took a lot more dmg overall. Or is the spike the only worrying part not the overal dmg

[ember arrow]

If not then doesnt matter

[prisma night]

No

Gotcha

[ember arrow]

He is who

Warr or dk

[prisma night]

Hes dk

[ember arrow]

Well ofc dk takes more dmg

If not then the warr is afk

In any situation

[prisma night]

I guess im just trying to figure out what combination in what role gives the healers the easiest time

[ember arrow]

Well

Tell dk to run rune tap

And red tjirst

Super turtle defense mode

Cds for every thrash imagineable

[prisma night]

Okay if he doesnt run that then thrash should be on me i imagine

[ember arrow]

If he talebts wotn

He wont get oneshot

But ur q sounds like u want healers to have easier time

If dk talents wotn he will heal back 25% of dmg back himself at least

More even

[prisma night]

Yeah just optimal placement for which tank to take which part

Cuz in heroic itll hurt more

[ember arrow]

Id say let him tank thrash

If a dk doesnt get oneshot its same as taking no dmg

[prisma night]

Rune tap plus death strike = ez mode

Kk cool ty

[ember arrow]

Death strike is after

Id say test if he gets onehit without cds

[prisma night]

Yeah ik, just pararprhasing

[ember arrow]

If he doesnt ez

[uncut fractal]

Why do warriors have smallest health pool? I'm at 157k HP at 346 ilvl meanwhile a 335 paladin gets 160k

[fathom marten]

What's up with the talent tree in the Uldir guide?

[ember arrow]

Its about ehp. Total hp without considering it is meaningless

[undone sun]

what about it @fathom marten

[fathom marten]

It's wrong lol

[lucid bough]

brewmaster have the lowest, not warrior i think

[prisma night]

@uncut fractal vanguard only gives us 35% extra stam. Other tanks get a different multiplier

[fathom marten]

It has indom at 3

[prisma night]

Dk gets 60% iirc

[ember arrow]

We have option to pick indom

Thats one of reasons

Thanks

[fathom marten]

NO

sorry caps

[undone sun]

lol i didn't even catch that

[fathom marten]

no im saying its in the wrong tier

Its the old beta tree

it looks like

[broken kite]

that fetid damage

kek

[fathom marten]

And there's an arms talent in there lol

[ember arrow]

@broken kite thrash?

[fathom marten]

Did Marok make that?

[broken kite]

ye xD

[undone sun]

no

[smoky basin]

so uh, has anyone figured out how to make prot war not feel so trash in M+ yet?

[undone sun]

it's being changed

[fathom marten]

Either way its fuckin awesome nonetheless

Wanted to make something like that myself

[undone sun]

i don't know how i missed it when it was first sent to me

[fathom marten]

WIth dungeons

[undone sun]

🤣

[fathom marten]

haha np np

I literally logged on just to check and was like there's no effin way I missed that

How'd i not know aobut this change?!

[next goblet]

anyone do some m+ today as a prot war?

[hearty sphinx]

can we proc 400ilvl in mm+ ?

[next goblet]

are we pooper in m+?

[cinder pasture]

I’ll be tanking m+ later hopefully. Depends if my paladin co-tank wants to do m+ aswell (he refuses to dps/heal >__<)

No, we are fine. We’re not the best, but you should easily be able to do m+ as prot

[next goblet]

alright

i dont play prot war to play fotm i play prot war because its my fav tank spec

as long as i can do m+ im happy

and raids obviously

[hearty sphinx]

what is the max ilvl titanforged in m+ pls ?

[ember arrow]

@smoky basin what would you suggest

[ancient basalt]

@hearty sphinx my brother looted 390 titanforged so thats the highest ive seen so far

[prisma night]

Is anyone working on our simc model for prot?

[old zephyr]

What is fotm?

[prisma night]

Or whatever its called

[brave jetty]

FOTM probably DK rn

[ember arrow]

For what

[brave jetty]

as tanks, anyhow

[old zephyr]

What does fotm means

[ember arrow]

Flavor of the montg @old zephyr

[brave jetty]

flavor of the month

[ember arrow]

Uhm no

Not in raiding at least

[brave jetty]

Just in general expansion so far

Lots of people very high on DK atm

[ember arrow]

Monk

[brave jetty]

Them too

[old zephyr]

Makes sense

[ember arrow]

Very high?

Bosses? M+?

[brave jetty]

M+ that I've seen but mostly conjecture, obv a lot of stuff has started to take shape today

[ember arrow]

Dh. Monk dk pala

All goid m+ tanks

Warrior works but it flows as well as a river of bricks

[old zephyr]

Warrior works very well Utah à good team

Go PUG i'll agree It's terrible

[ember arrow]

I mean

Not enough utility

[prisma night]

Whats pally utility? Genuine question, dont know them very well

[mild vigil]

Vectis: does tank run into raid when tank debuff drops? Or stay with other tank apart from raid the whole time?

[next goblet]

so i was wondering why this m+ was awful

my healer is in like all blue

[prisma night]

Staying away from raid keeps the stacks of lingering infection lower

So i think staying away is better imo since the tank debuff is nature dmg

[ember arrow]

@prisma night lay on hands, offhealing, giving others immubity to movespeed effects/physical dmg

Also a skovald like shiel in a talent

[prisma night]

I mean dk and dh have a whole new level of utility

[ember arrow]

Its different kind

[prisma night]

But yeah pally still more util than us

[ember arrow]

Dk can still grip some cc immune adds

[gilded girder]

I love how the other tanks all have to use some kind of magic stuff but warriors just use their own badass bodies

[prisma night]

Yeah we just become more manly when we pop a cd

They rely on magic and tricks

[pastel widget]

how much is ilvl worth over haste?

[gilded girder]

An ability just called Ignore Pain where the warrior just says "f it I'm good"

[long gorge]

ok guys

serious question

does leap reset taunt baseline?

[undone sun]

yes

[fathom marten]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2422483-Prot-is-horrible-and-needs-buffs/page9

This thread is killing me

[gilded girder]

Not worth using?

If you don't use it you get fucked by anything not blockable

[fathom marten]

The whole thread i mean

People arguing

[next goblet]

dude this m+ was fucking cancer

[fathom marten]

Thinking prot is the worst thing

[next goblet]

didnt help i had an undergeared healer

[hearty portal]

Which m+ was it?

[next goblet]

freehold

[hearty portal]

Ok

[gilded girder]

Oh lol yeah it seems very whiney

[hearty portal]

Was it only the trash that was a problem?

[next goblet]

yes

i got in the habit of leaping away

when it doubt, kite it out

[hearty portal]

I understand the whine. Bad players are always in a majority and the specc isnt "good"

Yeah I always kite aswell. The aoe on TC is huge anyway

[next goblet]

yea

but like i said, undergeared healer didnt help at all

[hearty portal]

Nope

That doesnt work with warrior 😅

[next goblet]

no not at all

almost full blue mistweaver

[prisma night]

Not anymore feelsbadman

[wild hamlet]

Bad players and whiners are just the vocal minority

people who are happy don't tend to say anything

[hearty portal]

Im going to be really surprised if they keep warriors as they are atm

Thats true

[oblique quarry]

my friend who accidently set his loot spec to prot when he only plays dps just got an epic shield from the warfront rares

[hearty portal]

But does anyone here actually think the current prot is so good that it doesnt need improvements?

[oblique quarry]

should i enact blood rites to damn him for all eternity to the coven?

[next goblet]

yes

because some of us still have a 300 shield

lol

[old zephyr]

I do

[oblique quarry]

i have a 340 weap

from emmisary

[next goblet]

i got the mace from atal dazar with a leech proc.. but cant get a shield drop

[hearty portal]

There was a 330 shield for some days ago for me in wq

Eu alliance

[oblique quarry]

my off spec has a green 2 hander still lol

[prisma night]

Yeah i think warrior is good but id like to see some tweaks

[oblique quarry]

need to run atal mythic

id like to see a bit more love to fixing ignore pain

it feels weird to use atm. too weak

[prisma night]

^

[next goblet]

i mean i love my warrior dont get me wrong

[prisma night]

There are times i put it up and i look at it and its already gonr within a global

[next goblet]

but after that m+.. im scared lol

[oblique quarry]

I DESPISE the new globals

oh you want buffs?

go wait

[hearty portal]

What was the diffuculty?

[next goblet]

just a +2

lol

[hearty portal]

Lol ok

[next goblet]

im going to blame bad group

and we'll try again

[hearty portal]

Im going to raid today so we'll see how that goes

[prisma night]

All i want is to not instantly die when my healers are retarded

[oblique quarry]

@next goblet as all tanks should

[next goblet]

^^^^^^

[old zephyr]

Good group is everything in m+

[hearty portal]

Wts stagger

👌

[next goblet]

i mean i did everything i possibly could.. and then some to not die

but dem healz were WEAKE

so bad had to add an extra letter.

[hearty portal]

I like paladins the most as healer in pve i think

[prisma night]

Like im parsing 85% for healing in uldir at 2k hps

Like cmon

2k hps aint shit

[next goblet]

as a warrior?

lol

[prisma night]

Yeah

[next goblet]

ignore pain?

[prisma night]

Yep

3k or so if i take more dmg but its not a lot

[next goblet]

meh

[prisma night]

2.7k hps on vectis normal

84% parse on that

We just cant do much sustain

[wild hamlet]

Isn't the main issue not that Prot is bad

just that Blizzard wanted to make healers more relevant again?

[old zephyr]

^

[fathom marten]

Well they shouldn't give other tanks clear advantage of being able to self heal

If that's the case

[old zephyr]

It's not clear Advantage though

[fathom marten]

It is a clear advantage, its just not some crazy huge one

[amber siren]

self healing isn't near legion levels

[fathom marten]

I'm not arguing that

[amber siren]

but as gear gets better it's going to be a wider and wider margin

[wild hamlet]

Does IP not scale with better gear?

[fathom marten]

I mean tanking on my DH is a very noticeable diffrence

[next goblet]

whats better tho.. a heal or ignore pain?

[amber siren]

it does but IP isn't an 100% absorb so it's not self reliandce

[old zephyr]

Nope self healing scale with personnal gear, war DR scale with everything

[wild hamlet]

IP is meant as a damage smoother right?

[amber siren]

yes

[wild hamlet]

It's not meant to be Legion level catch all button

[prisma night]

Okay make it 75%

Something so if my healers fuck up i can clutch it out

[next goblet]

either take it off the global and keep it where its at or buff it to keep it on the global

[prisma night]

^

[fathom marten]

I'd much rather buff it and keep it on global

[old zephyr]

Better your healer are the better your Dr is, also makes consumable and azerite healing traits better

[wild hamlet]

But IP isn't meant to be an "oh fuck" button

it's meant as a extra damage smoother

[next goblet]

its meant to basically buff our SB

[prisma night]

Thus the 75% not 90

[fathom marten]

lol

yeah

I like the way Fuzzy puts it

[next goblet]

because if you have SB up with IP, its pretty good physical mitigation

[old zephyr]

War don't need "oh ffff buttons"

[fathom marten]

I mean it just seems like a fair trade off, we don't have self heals like other tanks, but we have IP /shrug

THat's how I'd like to think of it

but IP isn't strong enough for me to think that. Don't get me wrong wars are in a good spot but

[prisma night]

Yeah but ip effectiveness caps out around 3k hps atm

[fathom marten]

I still think they should be reworked in some way to give us more self sustain

[old zephyr]

We don't need sustain

[wild hamlet]

Just need a good healer

If you weave SB > LS > SB and then also weave IP in during your roatation

you should be fine right?

Physical damage is basically a joke

SW and SR for Magic

[fathom marten]

We don't need it to be viable but it is competitively or comparably speaking.

[old zephyr]

Most tanks :
-big hit happen
-oh shit
-press buttons
-phew

War:
-press buttons
-big hit happen
-laugh

[fathom marten]

I mean there's a reason when I sign up for mythics, the healers will go "oh no not a warrior"

Granted most people just don't know how to play right

[prisma night]

Eh not really wow is a mob mentality

[wild hamlet]

Community perception is the biggest problem

[prisma night]

Beginning of legion the same thing happened with monks and they functioned

[wild hamlet]

a lot of people are bad at playing a warrior

and the community perception is already bad thanks to Sco

so therefore everyone thinks warriors are rubbish

[next goblet]

^^

[prisma night]

Lol sco is a joke

[old zephyr]

I won't PUG mostly so i'm gonna ne fine

[next goblet]

if you play it right warrior is pretty fuckin great in certain scenarios

[prisma night]

I mean if it gets bliz to buff us i cant complain

[fathom marten]

Again, I'm not saying that we are not viable, I'm just saying comparably speaking, other tanks just have it better because the less reliance on the healer.

[next goblet]

also ^^

[prisma night]

I do like less reliance on my dumbass raid healers

[next goblet]

or in my case.. pooper healers

[prisma night]

They all clump around the blood dk on mythrax 2nd phase adds and i have no healer with me. Fuckin idiots

[next goblet]

i haven't touched uldir yet

matter of fact my guild doesn't need me this week

i thought they would.. but the other tank showed up and we have too many dps for me to even OS in there

#puglyfe

[prisma night]

Damn thats lame

[next goblet]

yea

because i cant make all 3 raid nights

i lost my priority as a MT

[wild hamlet]

That's the only reason I don't main my warrior is because I hate people and I like to be as self sufficient as possible

[prisma night]

We had to ditch one of our new tanks since he didnt get geared enough lol

[next goblet]

work schedule changed and dicked my raid schedule lol

[prisma night]

What do you main wolf?

Dk?

[next goblet]

please say monk

lol

[prisma night]

Lol

Ultimate meme

[next goblet]

i giggled

[wild hamlet]

Paladin

I always have

[next goblet]

isn't it cancer to have LOTP on GCD tho?

[wild hamlet]

Yep

I hate it

but it's not an oh fuck button

[next goblet]

basically thats like our IP issue

[prisma night]

How does their heal do? Does it do a decent jump in "oh shit" scenarios?

[wild hamlet]

I just have to play when to use it

*plan

Warrior is my alt

[prisma night]

How much does it heal around 50% hp?

[wild hamlet]

then I have the other tanks to 120 as well if I get bored 😄

nah man it's like 25 - 30%

[next goblet]

im working on my monk and bdk

[wild hamlet]

it's not great

[next goblet]

i'll never play guardian

[prisma night]

Damn thought itd be more

[wild hamlet]

Nah it's really not great

and the CD on SOTR is ok

but it's not up all the time

[next goblet]

but judgement reduces it doesn't it?

[wild hamlet]

I basically weave cooldowns again

[prisma night]

Its neat that sotr is aoe now

[wild hamlet]

Yea

Paladins just have a relatively well balanced kit IMO

[prisma night]

Yeah my next level adventure is gonna be pally

[wild hamlet]

But I will defend warriors as i do think the main issue is an L2P + community perception, I personally think IP is fine once you get used to weaving it into the rotation

I usually have enough space to drop an IP every 3rd button presson

so it's nearly always up

[next goblet]

if i get bored.. i play devastator build

is that bad

[wild hamlet]

and it's just a little extra smoothing

[old zephyr]

Dévastatrice is bad

[next goblet]

lol

its not the worst thing i could do tho

i could do the ravager build

[wild hamlet]

I'm also stubborn in that I won't play a Monk as they are easy mode now, BDK is so irritatingly slow, VDH is fun and mobile but just gets trucked and Guardian is a 2 button spec but I love the fantasy of Guardians 😄

[prisma night]

I feel the same way

[wild hamlet]

Warrior is fun because it's engaging also Orc's look fricking badass in plate armour

[prisma night]

Im race changing to zandalari as soon as i can

They are just too cool

[wild hamlet]

Paladins are fun all round for me and i've mained since vanilla so it's a nostalgia thing as well

I wish I could have better Paladin races though

Mag'har orc for Warrior

[smoky wave]

I'll second that. Was hoping for zandalari paladins.

[wild hamlet]

but I hate the way Tauran horns clip through armour and they are so big they stretch shit so it looks weird, then blood elfs just look too weedy in the plate plus the eyebrows clipping through helmets fuck me off

[prisma night]

Lol

I hate regular trolls cuz hunchback so zandalari fixes everything

[next goblet]

im just a human

[lapis pasture]

@clear sapphire Yeah you're right Vectis was easy I was doing the fight wrong he didn't hit me that hard when I realized I wasn't supposed to be stacking with melee dps lmao

[fair zephyr]

29man heroic mother hits like a not very nice lady

[lapis pasture]

Lmao I bet she does

[next goblet]

im totally gonna play devastator for the memes

and make a garbage transmog

[small storm]

What talents are you guys rolling with in +5s?

[tiny sphinx]

the same talents we use every night, pinky

[lapis pasture]

We don't really have many other options

[undone sun]

@fathom marten the talents have been fixed in the guide, thanks for bringing to our attention 👍

[sick sentinel]

Same as we always use.

[fair zephyr]

i'm on Terrible Thrash duty in 29m heroic

send help

urgently

[muted crane]

This is all i got for now, i'm at work and on EU. 😁

[oblique quarry]

are the two WB up right now worth re-rolling on?

[fierce halo]

Depends what you Raid, if you don't Raid HC and mythic, then sure roll on the one in arathi. If you do Raid HC, but not mythic, maybe (don't know what slots he drops). If you are going to Raid mythic, then hell no.

[oblique quarry]

what if i raid m+

sanguine ghuun is fun

[old zephyr]

What's the swing timer for this boss ?

Terrible trash

[undone sun]

1.5s as usual

thrash is about every 6-8 seconds

but can be delayed by other abilities

[old zephyr]

Okay how does it ibterract with ibtercept ?

[undone sun]

no clue

[old zephyr]

Wondering if there is à way to cheese that thing with safeguard

[prisma night]

I would imagine it would just make the warrior take entirely too much dmg. Outside of the thrash tank getting one shot it probably not the best idea

[cosmic cargo]

@undone sun aren't uldir boss swing timers 2secs?

[undone sun]

just checked fetid before i answered it, 1.5

[cosmic cargo]

hmm interesting

[old zephyr]

I suppose it is not safe to ibtercept main tank for rage gen either ?

[amber siren]

no, intercept takes the full hit not just the damage, if you hit a tank swap mechanic you'll get it instead

safer to not do it

[old zephyr]

There is no tank swap mechanics here though

Or would that make the met take the terrible trash

[vocal nimbus]

@cosmic cargo some hit each 2s, some each 1.5 i believe

[cosmic cargo]

so its like ToS

[prisma night]

Intercept would take the thrash if youre within 10yds i think

[vocal nimbus]

ye

dunno if wowhead has swing timers

[undone sun]

so far fetid and zekvoz have 1.5s swing timers but mother, taloc, and vectis have 2s

zul's is much faster

https://puu.sh/Bq3XW/f8ef825748.png

@vocal nimbus @cosmic cargo

[prisma night]

You could theoretically out range the intercept portion (the 10yds) so you dont take the full thrash and make use of the safeguard talent. But youd have to be farther than 10yds away from the intercept person but still the closest person to the tank

Unless safeguard also works off that 10yd range. Idk how it works. Havent used it

[vocal nimbus]

zul hits either each 1.9~ or 2.1~

[old zephyr]

My main idea was to see it we can one tank it and ibtercept à dps

[vocal nimbus]

🤔

[prisma night]

You could but youd be taking all the autos and all the thrashes

I think

And thats kind of a lot

[undone sun]

too much damage to be worth doing

[fresh dragon]

didnt the key no more deplete???

if u do it out of time it still lower by 1

why?

[prisma night]

Lower by 1 isnt depleted

[vocal nimbus]

it has been like that since mid legion

[undone sun]

that's technically not depleting, just lowering the key
old school depleting actually made it so you had to do the key twice to upgrade it

[prisma night]

^

[vocal nimbus]

now you just lose 1 level if you fail

[old zephyr]

In high command we used to put tanks in the pod to maximise dps else we didn't beat soft enrage lol

[prisma night]

On mythic?

[old zephyr]

On HM (Yes we were bad)

[prisma night]

Oh man, i thought my dpsers were bad

[old zephyr]

I was so good at aiming that thing

But nvm.
We also had to 4heal 14 Man argus (hm)...

The overheal was gross

[inland mesa]

Prot didn't feel bad the first 5 heroic, but that fetid devourer thrash was easy as a warrior until you dont have anything up and get 1 shot lol

[merry cave]

Is DS enough? We don't touch heroic till weekend

[undone sun]

nah, you need sb up

especially past 50%

it was hitting for 110k-150k on my paladin with sotr up

[old zephyr]

Swap tank if needed =)

[inland mesa]

I think I lived through one with DS and double IP, but then I died as ranged didn't kill add so he charged when he should have thrashed

[prisma night]

Im looking at my logs from normal idk if the timing is any different but you can have something up for each thrash

[inland mesa]

So I blew shield block charge and had nothing when he came back, should have bop'd

Yeah I did through 46% then just got baited

It does feel bad to have to just get punched by the boss with nothing up though, but I was calling mitigation gaps and it didn't seem horrible

[sick sentinel]

i got no access to boralus and got the key to do it

am i fucked ?

[prisma night]

Get access or use someone elses key

I dont think itll let you go in even with a keystone

[sick sentinel]

it's just 7500 honored w/ honorbound, not revered as i thought
can you delete the key and get another?

i have a friend that got underot +2

[old dawn]

u n d e r r o t + 2

get

fuckin

ticked

[vocal nimbus]

still no access to boralus 😰

[hidden axle]

is the 370 Lions strength tricket from doom howl world boss any good?

currently rocking 340 rezans/howl

[ember arrow]

u can block it?

terrible trash

[signal plover]

Ya

[dusk locust]

wasn't expecting it to hit so hard on normal. i'm going to have to go back in there with a better plan next time

those hits come fast

[inland mesa]

Were other people experiencing mitigation gaps or was I just doing shoddy play raid leading?

[signal plover]

I def had a couple gaps on mother but wasn't too bad once the grid transfer order settled in

[dusk locust]

i'm in a similar boat. was raid leading and found myself without mitigation a lot on that one

[signal plover]

Fetid you'll have to play around the thrash but should be doable.

[weary flare]

anybody got good Pawn String for protection warriors?

[inland mesa]

Taloc I didn't feel any, mother I went through grid for stuns so meh, fetid I messed up timing but was ok before, vectiz I believe I was fine, zek'voz I took some on purpose and called them so I had it up for his combo

[signal plover]

Did u take all 3 of combo on zek?

[inland mesa]

Felt really strong on taloc doing add soaking

[uneven mason]

@signal plover Even on HC Zek's combo tickles as long as you planned for it.

[signal plover]

Just wanted to know if they tuned it from beta or not.

[inland mesa]

Not on purpose we were doing just taunt at shatter, but lived through when tank missed taunt with it being hectic few times

[uneven mason]

It was infrequent enough that a large CD was almost always available, I think I was able to SW every one.

erm nix that, all but one

[inland mesa]

Figure on mythic trying to live through all of it wasn't worth it

[uneven mason]

Yeah mythic I think Zek might be a 3tanker tbh

the adds are the hardest part

[inland mesa]

With 27 eye beam was the bane of our existence

[uneven mason]

😄

now imagine that with 40

in a smaller room

And you have Cthun

[inland mesa]

Yeah I did that back in the day, gotta love door wipes

[uneven mason]

mmhmm

[weary flare]

Hey guys, Anybody got a good Pawn String to use for checking out which equipment is the best?

[uneven mason]

don't use pawn

use stat priority

[weary flare]

the addon statpriority?

[uneven mason]

No

[final mist]

No, no addon.

[inland mesa]

Just feels yucky when you're like and I have nothing to mitigate spam IP tell healers and pray, I was spoiled on the monk

[uneven mason]

literally ilvl > haste > vers =>mastery > crit

Monk thinks I was spoiled (my cotank is BRM)

I took about 30% less damage overall than him

[weary flare]

thanks

[inland mesa]

Both my crafted pieces rolled crit mastery :(

[final mist]

BRM always take "more" damage. That was never really the draw to them.

[uneven mason]

right

its the fact he was eating some mechanics and just purifying it off

BrM and Prot tho, fetid was a joke

[chilly brook]

When a monk complains about taking more damage 🤔

[inland mesa]

Did you swap and face tank and then let your cd come back up, or did you take thrash full time

[chilly brook]

I would assume monk would take thrash full time

[final mist]

Warriors are probably better for it.

[inland mesa]

I tried druid taking it and he got eaten alive

[final mist]

Not enough PBs to comfortably handle all of them.

[uneven mason]

He took thrash because he wanted to see how much it actually hurt

we swapped at 50% tho

cause the first thrash after that almost dropped him

[chilly brook]

Normal or heroic?

[uneven mason]

HC

the enrage caught him by surprise I think tho, hah

[chilly brook]

How much were you getting hit for on thrash?

[inland mesa]

Hmm I was usually taking 500k to a mil less damage than the druid. 64-70% mitigated, active up around 57-60% not sure if that a horrible or not

[uneven mason]

letmecheck my logs

[frosty wedge]

omg the ticks

are the worst.

[inland mesa]

Vectiz I had 86% active but more damage than the druid as I had tank add on me even with boss lol, and yay magic dots

[old dagger]

I was wondering if Avatar and DS generate enmity, does anyone know?

[open bluff]

On their own no, you have to deal damage to generate threat

[old dagger]

ah okay, so for dungeons I'd want to thunderclap first after intercept, and then pop those two?

[vocal nimbus]

No

Yo precast avatar

Then charge

Thunderclap + Shield block

DemoShout

Thunderclap

And you should have the aggro until you or the pull dies

[old dagger]

ah, that makes sense

[vocal nimbus]

While avatar is up just cast something between thunderclaps

Revenge to deal damage or IP if you are in danger

[inland mesa]

@uneven mason are your logs private or different character name?

[frosty wedge]

berserkers in KR are awful.

that bleed sucks so hard

[old dagger]

Yeah, I was wondering about the opener, felt like Demo into Avatar was a bit too long doing nothing. Thanks a bunch!

[uneven mason]

apperntly they're bugged and not uploaded

and yeah, not this character name

gonna poke some folks in the run if they logged

[inland mesa]

Anyone do zul, mythrax or g'huun and see how they Felt? Or tips, sounds like g'huun isn't any fun

[dusk locust]

zul's p2 dot was hitting me pretty hard

g'huun and mythrax were fine

[inland mesa]

On normal or heroic?

[dusk locust]

normal

[inland mesa]

G'huun seems to be more don't make add to big and can orb people do it right

What were you taunting off at for zul dot?

[dusk locust]

eh that got a bit chaotic (we only did the 1 pull and he died) but we were basically swapping immediately when we could

[sick sentinel]

underrot +2 was a shitshow

are they overtuned ?

[uneven mason]

yeah DoTs were horrible in there

[dusk locust]

not sure how many stacks that came out to be

[frosty wedge]

the fucking ticks in underrot

[sick sentinel]

not only that

the skellies

hit like a truck

[frosty wedge]

meh, skellies weren't too bad

[crystal night]

You guys saving am specifically for the thrashing bite on feti

[frosty wedge]

depends on yoru DPS too though, I don't think I ever had skellies up without demo on them

[crystal night]

Fetid is fun for tnks

[vocal nimbus]

Did underrot +5 pretty easily

[sick sentinel]

nobody kicked the boner shields

[frosty wedge]

oh, yeah that's a problem

lol

[sick sentinel]

had a 310 dps friend

[inland mesa]

Doesn't his dot and ability do less damage the quicker you get out of p1 zul? People are still lusting the top, right?

[sick sentinel]

and the healer was a disco with a lot of gear but no clue how to heal a prot

[dusk locust]

yeah my understanding is lust on pull for zul because of his energy

[chilly brook]

I mean if that’s the way it works that’d explain why his dot hurt so much yesterday

Feels good outside of Zul lol

[sick sentinel]

perf means something day 1 ?

[chilly brook]

Does to me

[sick sentinel]

❤

[inland mesa]

Should mean something to you every day if you want to play better, right?

[chilly brook]

That’s what I would assume

[inland mesa]

Unless you take all the shit jobs like me :(

Blood popper on taloc, first mother transition, mah dps :(

[sick sentinel]

how many dps can you pull on average ?

st fight

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh on taloc you don’t even need a second tank

Until Mythic

[primal bramble]

Has anyone tried +5s or more with Prot Warr? How did it feel?

[inland mesa]

Mythic just adds heart and you swap right?

[chilly brook]

+5s are fine

[uneven mason]

So @inland mesa just off the top of my head I was taking 30-70k (probably the difference in critical blocks) on Thrash

but I wasn't paying much attention to raw numbers last night

I'll see if I can pull logs

[chilly brook]

Huh interesting, since someone in here was crying about taking a 240k hit from thrash through block

[primal bramble]

Do you reckon prot will be viable at higher keystones?

[uneven mason]

erm reupload them when I get home

"viable"

that word

VIABLE

Yes I beleive we'll survive being born

[sick sentinel]

people already did +10 as a prot war yesterday iirc

[primal bramble]

it means, within context and considering constraints, it is a fairly sufficient choice

[dusk locust]

yes we are able to walk into m+

[primal bramble]

i can get you the proper definiton

[final mist]

As in, "Can a Protection Warrior do +5's"?

[uneven mason]

+10s?

"Speedrun MDI Level?"

[sick sentinel]

i'm stuggling in pug group on +2 but shitty healer and no kicks and i'm not good too

[primal bramble]

No, as in, can I pug it without a super co-ordinated group

[uneven mason]

yes

[primal bramble]

not now

[final mist]

Yes.

[primal bramble]

ok

They're viable then

[sick sentinel]

IkarikazeAujourd'hui à 15:41
+10s?
"Speedrun MDI Level?"

someone here said that yesterday

i don't care enough to look up if it's right

[uneven mason]

Its frequently asked question

[vocal nimbus]

If you get through the mentality "prot warr sucks" that people have then you will be fine with pugs

[uneven mason]

which without context

doesn't mean anything

[sick sentinel]

yeah people assume prot war suck dick

[uneven mason]

Like, we were "viable" to do high keys in Legion too

but we were not setting many speed records

so folks go "prot sucks"

[sick sentinel]

then when you play "oh lol first time i got a good prot war with me"

yea i had to convert guildies yesterday

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel on an uninterrupted connection to the boss and assuming 5+ minutes most likely somewhere between 5.5-6k

[frosty wedge]

Yeah I had a guy say last night he hadn't seen a warr do the same dmg or stay alive yet in BFA last night, lol

[sick sentinel]

i guess we're the best at pulling damage in m+ right ?

[primal bramble]

Well in general, you have to take the implication of the question without actually them typing it out
when someone asks if theyre viable, you could take the example of trying to get one of those horrible dps specs to mythic at the time..

[sick sentinel]

thanks @chilly brook

[primal bramble]

cant remmeber.. like maybe arcane mage at the start of legion, or wod, i forgot

[inland mesa]

Hmmm @uneven mason my minimum was 62677, max 171,215, average was 134.5k

[chilly brook]

When our damage averages out over time it’s not anything super impressive

[vocal nimbus]

Dont overthink it andy, prot is viable

[uneven mason]

did you have a disc healer CHew?

[royal pilot]

one question on my azerite equip: should i take archive of the titans one time or on all my equip

[inland mesa]

Nah think she's holy

[uneven mason]

Kk, that's probably the difference

[sick sentinel]

i fucking hate disc priest

[primal bramble]

Good i'll stick with it, first time tanking as main and learning

[uneven mason]

I was also getting come externals cycled

[sick sentinel]

😡

[chilly brook]

Hmmmm disc lowers damage output from boss doesn’t it?

[uneven mason]

as healer mana was getting rough at the end

I mean, disc overall reduces the net damage you take

due to running more absorbs

[chilly brook]

Well yea

[uneven mason]

but I dunno I didn't research if they have a debuff :p

[chilly brook]

But I mean doesn’t smite also reduce the damage done on next attack?

[uneven mason]

I know they have pain supression 😄

[inland mesa]

They killed it from 46% on with me dead lol slowly killing off melee with thrash and letting it heal but beating the heal

[chilly brook]

Cuz that could be super useful on G’huun

[sick sentinel]

how many haste do you rock ?

how much*