both pretty solid, given our options
#protection
prisma crane
prisma crane
all depends what you have
prisma crane
yea i know, i probably shouldnt have tagged you, ika was saying that even if it wouldnt have
uneven mason
Yes Jes' Howler with BLockades, will net better overall than the Emblem + either one.
errant coral
well i have jens howler, 340, emblem 345 and the blockades trinket π
thought i had jens at 345 π
uneven mason
Krotos - Avatar wouldn't quite have broken the 55%~ ish uptime it would've needed to beat RF even after AM was factored in, so no, probably wouldn't have π
errant coral
thanks π
uneven mason
100% uptime wins
errant coral
also does deafening crash stack? or should you only have it in one peice of gear. I currently have two but havent noticed it stacking?
grim prism
@errant coral not the good part of it
uneven mason
The damage for DC stacks, the DS extention doesn't
grim prism
Just the damage
paper apex
Jesus just got a 390 Lion's Guile... Assuming I use it over anything at this point?
grim prism
You only want one
uneven mason
SO you can do some baller DPS with 2x DC (or 3x) but the demo shout extension stays at 2s
With that much str Tyler
yeah
I Mean, the crit is lackluster
but that is a lot of str
errant coral
ah okay, so go for one DC and the others brace for impact?
grim prism
Ideally
uneven mason
yeah 2x BFI or IF and 1 DC
paper apex
I mean it hurts because where were the shoulders at, but yeah that str stick just seems to good
serene shuttle
I can have 2 BFI and 1 DC I'm wondering if I shouldnt do that instead of 1 DC, 1 BFL and 1 IF
uneven mason
2 BFI and 1 DC with item level being equal
BFI beats IF Because it can stack
but its a slim difference
errant coral
ah nice i have that aswell
grim prism
Up to you really... i mean the difference here is minimal
uneven mason
would probably come down to what your inner rings have on them if its worth the swap
grim prism
BFI is theoretically better
regal island
Have so say i love running prot, out dps the dps.
errant coral
ah are the inner rings random then?
grim prism
But nobody plays 100% perfect 100% of the time
uneven mason
No, the rings are set per item
errant coral
ah
regal island
25k thunderclap crits are just baller
grim prism
Jesus
fossil spindle
Sense top spot at M+ list. #proudtobeaprotwarr
errant coral
yeah they are nice π
uneven mason
but like say a IF with Gemhide is going to beat a BFI with bury the hatchet :p
regal island
and i'm only 345, running 2 clap traits.
imagine i could push it higher with another dps trinket instead of blockades
errant coral
is gemhide better than ablative shielding then?
thats what i have in one of my inner rings
uneven mason
there is a nifty little thing there
READSIT
but yeah more or less
different rings
tho, Gemhide and Ablative shielding
serene shuttle
if you join a Mythic group, be at the damn instance so we dont have to spend 15mins to summon you -_-
errant coral
ive read it ikar
errant coral
but none of my azerite gear has the inner oens π
strong forum
especially in raiding BFI is stronger though
strong forum
since you get more block value
uneven mason
BFI leads to less overall damage taken
any "spikes" you feel are imagined (the break in Block Value is razer thin at 1 stack and BFI wins at 2 stacks)
regal island
yeah but i don't really see myself holding back SS before a taunt swap.
so i'm sure there's overlap value. I just like the constant protection from IF
sly swan
Are you guys talking about the thunder clap spec?
regal island
IF compared to BFI
uneven mason
the buff lasts 9 seconds, you're going to have it up 100% of the time during active combat. π€· and more than likely have 2 stacks up ~30% of the time.
regal island
oh yeah i'll be mogging
brisk flax
and Tauren version of it is even worst
you dont even get the face on the helmet as a tauren
regal island
gotta hide my antlers with mythic pally t18 anyways
steel mauve
im gonna go with the usual miss matched non mogging set
brisk flax
it looks like fuckin dungeon gear from BC XD
sly swan
all of the uldir gear looks like doodoo
But some people like minimalist stiff like that
brisk flax
cant stand it lol
uneven mason
Well I mean, this is the intro raid, generally intro raid gear looks like dog crap.
Its very "Tron"
esp the weapons
regal island
yeah they save the better stuff for later tiers
brisk flax
true
sly swan
Most people enjoy being christmas trees
brisk flax
but you know
that later tier
they probably just gonna do what they did in legion
and retexture T6
brisk flax
but some other retexture / recolor
im not talking about sets man
talking about cosmetic look
uneven mason
Already have Brown, Yellow, Blue, Green, Red for T6 warrior
topaz badger
quick question, for raiding, stam or str flask?
uneven mason
Xiro - it depends
brisk flax
how they took the T6 look and gave it an HD texture and then that was a later tier set skin
topaz badger
I'm protwarr
uneven mason
Stam gives you some padding
topaz badger
oh wait, we all are :p
sly swan
Umm if you can even afford the flask.
uneven mason
PRO WARRIOR HERE? THE FUCK YOU SAY?
brisk flax
they will just do it with like T9 or something
topaz badger
I've got pro healers, so better go with str then?
steel mauve
just be alch, easy flasks
uneven mason
So Xiro - if its a high magic/DoT fight, you might find the stam handy
overall though
digital arrow
has anyone gotten their mythic chest?
uneven mason
thr STR is going to give you more
sly swan
Doesn't matter if you an alch
brisk flax
mythic+ just started this week how would you get your chest?
unless they giving out free chest look from non + dungeons
sly swan
They're expensive because mats are expensive. So unless you want to farm the mats yourself it will always be expensive
digital arrow
well for me it says I"ve earned a chest for last week's performance..
midnight trench
EN were not this basic/uninspired - first raid tier not a good enough excuse for me >.<
digital arrow
i have to claim it at my faction hub
brisk flax
if you are horde go into the vault in the top of the pyramid
steel mauve
i did a loop in drustvar for an hour or 2 and have 6 flasks made and can make 12 more
digital arrow
ahh im alliance, shoot
digital arrow
ty
uneven mason
@sly swan Most guilds who are pushing content have already farmed up cauldron's and feasts
I know mine has boatloads crafted already for both of our teams
M+ chests have been removed fro mthe world I think
as they remove all of the illgotten loot
formal kayak
sick sentinel
Wow 5k health
Incredible
Tbh reinforced plating is probably even worse
Do you have literally anything else
scenic crater
Ok just got a 360 version of the world boss trinket... Worth or not.
I have blockades and a 345 rezans with a socket
snow nest
is the world boss trinket any good for prot? just got a 355 Prism of Dark Intensity
weak zephyr
π ±AND AS ONE
snow nest
currently using Blockades and 340 ticking clock
chrome harbor
< blockades and 340 howler which i think is pretty good. not sure how great the prism would be. on-attack procs for tanking annoy me. especially if youre offtanking and it goes off
weary notch
Yeah, it's hard to say. Have a 340 Jes' Howler with 205 STR and just got a 370 Lion's Strength with 271 STR. The 370 has a worse on use (crit decreasing, vs a ton of vers), but I'm thinking the raw STR upgrade might be worth it alone
uneven mason
that is a lot of str
wild atlas
Whatβs the consensus on Taloc? Is it 1-tankable?
gilded girder
I'm still learning in mythics right now so this may be a dumb question. I read the Icyveins guide and it says to use Ignore Pain alongside Shield Block, but if Shield Block blocks all auto attacks is there any point in putting up Ignore Pain if it's all going to be blocked anyway?
royal pilot
for my azerite traits should i take Deafening Crash only one time or is it worth it to take it on every item
uneven mason
only 1 DC
the point of DC is to extend Demo Shout, that part doesn't stack (although 3x DC is a good way to make DPS in your dungeon cry)
gilded girder
I heard from people that one DC is good and maybe two of the Shield Slam one
royal pilot
ok thanks
uneven mason
so one of each (what I have) is still ok
raven kernel
rofl my friends are doing a +6 key
raven kernel
they are complaining the dh tank jumped into a pack of mobs
died immediately
π
VDH LUL
uneven mason
VDH do that.
gilded girder
Lul must suck to not block
raven kernel
they are too used to my warrior
ember arrow
or he didnt activate metigation
chrome harbor
VDH and hDH do that, its a DH thing regardless of role
raven kernel
with bolster we do
weary notch
only for the first 45 seconds (which granted, is a lot)
gaunt dawn
Hello Everyone.
The Uldir Tank Notes are now good to go :)
This has been a long project, but I think you will appreciate the work that has gone into it. This website will serve as the platform for all future note related projects.
The website will filter based on your class selected (and your class can be changed at the top right or bottom of each page).
If you have any feedback, please join the discord (link is in the top banner of the website)
ember arrow
:pin:
ember arrow
@gaunt dawn looks great!
gaunt dawn
Try refreshing the page, its working all from cached content, and this is the most activity its seen π¦
sick sentinel
it's working better now
grim prism
Yeah it might be getting hugboxed
ember arrow
even talent recomendations
grim prism
Based Kiwi with the pretty website though
ember arrow
this is smt id donate money to
grim prism
Very web 2.0
ember arrow
@gaunt dawn
uneven mason
@gaunt dawn Might wanna cut down on the opressive amount of scripting you're running π
ember arrow
is that possible
gaunt dawn
See at the top
uneven mason
I mean, its pretty
gaunt dawn
theres a patreon link π
ember arrow
ayyy
ember arrow
its not just him
gaunt dawn
@uneven mason Could you PM me about the script stuff. I've spent the last few days trying to cut down load time.
converted all the gifs to mp4s and optimised the pages for mobile browsers recently
sick sentinel
yeah this site is qt
viral jackal
where is the mythic chest when it will have stuff in it?
sick sentinel
i think the site is just getting death hugged. header.jpg takes like 10 seconds to load, is a 300k img
shut summit
they temp removed mythic weekly cache
grim prism
Yarg
shut summit
cuz not supposed to be gettin shit yet
viral jackal
right but when its back where does it spawn
shut summit
for horde is in main city on top of temple, in side room
viral jackal
kk
uneven mason
@gaunt dawn Sadly I don't have time to go through thread by thread, but a good place to start would be just using the console on the devtools and hunting the exceptions it's throwing (which is increasing your load time dramatically as the js fails to load)
prisma crane
is that near where you choose the zone you're going to quest in? cuz that's where it is for alliance, at least it's somewhat familiar
prisma crane
ah, nice, thanks!
supple pawn
since uldir is starting tomorrow for eu, what are the go with fodds and flask? full strenght in flask and pots and food or haste food?
strong forum
haste food, strength flask
steel mauve
wish i didnt have to change specs every wipe just to get str food, just flip loot spec back and forth bliz plz
vocal nimbus
But haste is better π€
steel mauve
100 str or 55 haste
merry cave
Sockets make choosing gear hard -_-
uneven mason
not really, you can put a 40stat gem in that socket
what is the ilvl where you gain that much stat?
merry cave
345 socket hate/vers vs 355 mast/haste. They're pretty comparable tbh
uneven mason
what slot?
delicate prism
Have artifact power rewards ramped up yet since launch?
merry cave
gloves
uneven mason
They won't ramp up Plisken, its going the other direction
the required amount per level is being reduced
delicate prism
Oh, is there a reference for that timeline?
sick sentinel
weekly reduction
uneven mason
I think weekly?
delicate prism
Ah.
sick sentinel
just like AK but automatic and behind the scenes
steel mauve
every tuesday, your required amount and the amount you have are reduced i think
uneven mason
correct
steel mauve
so you cant just automatically level with out logging in
delicate prism
gotcha
uneven mason
Since rewards never "ramp up" there is no reason not to continually complete as much azerite as you can
unlike AK in Legion where you wanted to sit on the big rewards until you needed it.
delicate prism
Grinding AP blows imo, especially for traits on ilvl 325 gear.
steel mauve
those tank notes are pretty sick
fresh dragon
which prepot for us to use???
serene shuttle
tank notes?
plain ice
vagrant cape
Ikar, that's not necessarily true. You want to sit on emissaries that you could open after reset. They're worth more of a level if you wait.
prisma crane
@uneven mason it'd still be worth sitting on large rewards, provided they dont cock block another one, because the purchasing power of AP still grows wk to wk
uneven mason
Only vs your current level, you won't have exponential gains for future levels by delaying current levels.
serene shuttle
tanknotes.tk is giving me a 503 error
prisma crane
what are you talking about? if i have 3 emissaries "saved" it'll do more to turn them in once AP req's shift than prior
sick sentinel
Did blizzard say anything about the chests
uneven mason
No, they didn't probably won't
they're hoping the majority of people don't notice it
blazing pelican
probably not saying anything until they figure out what they can actually do about it
prisma crane
and tbh, unless my math is off, it's worse than legion, since i'm fairly certain your progress % towards next trait is maintained through the reset, which means you effectively lose some amount of AP
sick sentinel
the equivalent loss in legion would be 'amount not gained by waiting to get this ap token under new AK level'
uneven mason
You're thinking in reverse, its best to gain the levels than delay them
Like, its not worse than legion, legion was "sit on this quest chain so you can gain 500% more AP later on"
since the points required did not shift
since we have both a retroactive loss and a preemptive reduction - sitting on AP is only a short term (that level) gain
prisma crane
i'm referring to stuff that's recurring, such as emissaries
uneven mason
while delaying the next level is an overall loss.
I was talking about the big quest chains
like we saw with folks doing to Suramar
prisma crane
the relative benefit never changed in legion either, it just looked bigger, but so were WQs and everything else around them
final mist
The only way you "lose" value is if it's shit that you could've waited to turn in, since AP after the AK is worth ~30% more
Like Emissaries
sick sentinel
now you're at 3.5k
sick sentinel
amount to gain trait was 5k
now amount to gain trait is 3.5k
so you didn't lose 1.5k
blazing pelican
you're 1.5k closer than before
final mist
Yes but the requirement dropped, from 10k to 7k, so you "gained" 3k as well
steel mauve
you dont lose any ap when it does the catch up
uneven mason
its actually a net gain - but you can't "ding" from the shift
steel mauve
it remains even
blazing pelican
you dont lose any progress, you gain progress
uneven mason
for time rather
sick sentinel
ya by the time enough shifts happen to ding you to the next rank
blazing pelican
the raw number is meaningless
sick sentinel
one AP item will prolly bump you up 3 traits
people looking too much into it. it's just AK but without 14 digit reward numbers later
sick sentinel
worth to do island on MM ?
time/azerite wise
ppl doing m+, how do you feel about prot?
chilly brook
I'll let you know in a few
prisma crane
i'd just rather if i did 6k worth of AP shit that i keep 6k worth of AP, regardless of net gains or not
sick sentinel
you did a % of the trait bar worth of AP shit
prisma crane
otherwise, i'd rather just sit at 0% into next level
blazing pelican
if you got to keep the AP raw value then you're double dipping AK
prisma crane
it's no different than holding onto stuff for a turnin
steel mauve
% wise its better
sick sentinel
yea think of it in terms of the value that doesn't change
otherwise you will feel bad
3 traits suuuucked to have before helya in legion, then in argus you do one wq and have 52
prisma crane
i mean im not planning on grinding this shit anyways, i just dont like the system
blazing pelican
just dont look at your ap value
sick sentinel
yea i don't even know how much a trait costs me
once you stabilize within the catchup system, every trait you get will cost about the same
blazing pelican
this is the mathematically correct way to do it
sick sentinel
so then 300 AP will start to have the same relative value
for each trait
if you play more, you will start to pull a bit ahead, and it'll have less value
prisma crane
but only to a point, you'll still stabilize, and with ~30% AK + ~30% more cost per trait, still 1 trait per wk
sick sentinel
yea
prisma crane
idk why they bother
fresh dragon
Which prepot we use?
blazing pelican
catch. up.
prisma crane
no i mean with the whole concept
sick sentinel
because otherwise streamer nerds would be accelerating away instead of just getting their 1 trait/wk at a different breakpoint
sick sentinel
same as a stacking buff in a raid, just slowly power creeps you to nerf content
blazing pelican
it's meant to keep active players relatively close in levels
prisma crane
sand, you're missing the point
blazing pelican
i don't think so
prisma crane
im saying the whole system is pointless
prisma crane
i understand why they have the % gains and AK and stuff
im just saying it's literally a means to make people feel like they have more shit to do
sick sentinel
there will probably be some kind of "always some kind of reward" system like this in every expansion from now on
yep
100%
blazing pelican
that's true
prisma crane
it's stupid, what's wrong with being "done"?
sick sentinel
lot of people don't like paying a monthly fee to be done
prisma crane
but objectively most people won't be "done" even if they play all the time
sick sentinel
yeah, because of other things they put in place
prisma crane
this game is massive, why add so many layers
blazing pelican
they're done if they have the traits they want
sick sentinel
like warforge/titanforge
prisma crane
yea it's better than legion was, for now
blazing pelican
it's up to players to define "done" for themselves
sick sentinel
a month after raid clear you have bis gear and no reason to do raid
plain oasis
i hate the method tier lists. Just got kicked out my guild because warriors "arnt very good for tanking raids"
blazing pelican
shit guild
prisma crane
^ this is why we've always hated those videos, but like @blazing pelican just said, better off not there anyways
if they think they're remotely good enough to where tank spec mattered that much, they'd know it doesnt matter that much
blazing pelican
on top of that you never know when balance passes hit
sick sentinel
yea
blazing pelican
maybe the raid tuning next week buffs prot and now they look like idiots
sick sentinel
someone will kill mythic ghuun with dual prot warrior before the people choosing their raid comp based on a youtube video
is what it boils down to
prisma crane
let's not get ahead of ourselves lol
blazing pelican
ok probably not but you never know lol
plain oasis
The ironic thing is that my monk is equally geared, but because my preference was warrior im booted
grim prism
They arent going to buff warrior
plain oasis
and monks are fotm
grim prism
They dont know whats wrong with it
plain oasis
take demo shout off gcd and its a great clas to play
sick sentinel
the first 4 seconds of jumping into a trash pack have so many activities you want to do, but you have to pace yourself
lol
serene shuttle
the battle runes are 900g per on my server lol
grim prism
They tried to make IP a rotational cast instead of a spammable uptime buff, and it left us without a rage dump and still ended up being a shitty uptime buff except now its undertuned
I havent seen any of the fights yet but i would imagine warriors will be fine in anything that involves a tank swap (i.e. most things)
Buckets and buckets of cooldowns is generally a good thing to have in a raid
fresh dragon
do we use
grim prism
But I'm kind of talking out my ass. The only thing I know for sure is, if you have to ask what class to play then it doesn't really matter what you pick
fresh dragon
stamina or STR prepot?
prisma crane
str
plain oasis
str
prisma crane
a stam prepot would be nearly worthless
prisma crane
you want a stam prepot, use LS
merry cave
why would you ever use a stamina pot unless your about to be 1 shot by an ability through multiple defensives and wouldleave you on the stamina pots worth of hp
prisma crane
do they make stam pots btw?
merry cave
yeh
prisma crane
TIL
merry cave
1100 stam for something seconds
grim prism
Yeah stam pot sounds like a complete waste
sick sentinel
does it heal you for the gained amount
grim prism
Especially a prepot
prisma crane
i'm sure it has limited usefulness
prisma crane
yea, or even LS or something
grim prism
If you used a healthstone with a stam pot running it would give you more HP back
sick sentinel
yea but
does the stam pot heal you for the health gained
on use
because then it's even more
grim prism
I would assume it would just inflate the numbers but give you the same % HP
sick sentinel
ah
grim prism
Or put simply, no
prisma crane
if not, then a health pot would do more
grim prism
I dont kmow though
sick sentinel
i dont' think i'll ever have a stam pot in my bags Β―_(γ)_/Β―
grim prism
Thats just my best guess
prisma crane
it all depends if it acts like LS or not
prisma crane
but yea, i usually use STR or armor
prisma crane
just test it if someone is on
grim prism
My guess is, your current and max HP both get fluffed up in proportion, so you remain at the same health % albeit with a larger number of hit points
Side note, I'm glad rallying cry drops you to 1hp instead of just killing you if it runs out while youre almost dead
prisma crane
would still effectively make your HS stronger
grim prism
Idk when they made that change
prisma crane
as well as the LS heal
grim prism
But its nice
Yes, percentage-based heals would be proportionally more effective for the duration
grim prism
But this probably needs actual testing, because who the fuck knows with blizzard
Not even blizzard probably lol
prisma crane
#consistency
grim prism
#showtooltip
And yeah, str pots are going to be better in most cases regardless. ESPECIALLY as prepot
Please dont ever prepot stam guys
dense anchor
can we get a max of two coins today? or can we get three?
grim prism
Two i think
uneven mason
two is weeky max
serene shuttle
ill prepot stam if i want to @grim prism π
grim prism
Reeee
grim prism
Do you have a gud shield yet
grim prism
That makes a colossal difference
mystic ferry
but its not just that
grim prism
Yeah
signal plover
How high of a key?
signal plover
It's also week 1
signal plover
Week 1 of keys I mean.
mystic ferry
ive done every lockout and 5 M+ that drop shield and still have a 325
i refuse to buy oswains
serene shuttle
exactly me to
grim prism
I have a 325 blue, hoping i'll be able to spam +5 ataldazars all day and fix that
signal plover
I had to buy oswains
delicate prism
You could be me and have a 300 ilvl shield
grim prism
No thanks
grim prism
I mean
junior ivy
im oveewhelmed by new stuff
mystic ferry
thats not even rng
grim prism
@junior ivy M+
signal plover
Go to wowhead
delicate prism
Not even rng?
junior ivy
whasts this arathi basin stuff
grim prism
Wait when is your raid
delicate prism
I don't understand.
grim prism
He's saying you didnt farm enough random heroics for your random drop and its your fault it didnt drop
Or something
serene shuttle
i can pug m+ without hurting my guilds lockout of them right
mystic ferry
yeah you can get fucked by rng in Mythics but heroics you can just farm
grim prism
Yes @serene shuttle there are no lockouts on M+
delicate prism
I've been farming
serene shuttle
not even loot lockouts
grim prism
Just individual keys
delicate prism
My dude bruh, just unlucky.
grim prism
Nope, keys drop loot regardless of who is doing them
serene shuttle
so you can only get 1 keey per week then?
delicate prism
lol
junior ivy
can i do a +4 siege
grim prism
Yes but the key keeps upgrading (or downgrading)
serene shuttle
oh so they dont become unusable
grim prism
@junior ivy only one way to find out; you definitely have the gear for it
topaz ember
33g from the world boss gg
grim prism
Probs wont be easy but you can probs do it if your group is competent
junior ivy
iom about to do it
topaz ember
wait there is another world boss in highlands?
uneven mason
for alliance
serene shuttle
well damn i need to farm herbs for my pots/flasks before raid tonight but i want to try some m+ keys π¦
topaz ember
what were you doing all last week>?
serene shuttle
farming mythics on main and alts
frosty surge
Anyone done any raiding yet?
Glad I didnβt buy oswains too lol got the shield from mother lode and it warforged to 345
serene shuttle
anyone done motherlode M+ yet?
if so how did it go
i also thought you got a key from each mythic dungeon you did for that dungoen, apparently not, its random
frosty surge
You should get it from the first one you do
serene shuttle
so we can only get 1 key per week and that just changes
frosty surge
Ya
frosty surge
Every time you finish that key itβll upgrade to something else
serene shuttle
i may have to try it then, if i dont finish it th ekey is depleted right
as in the gorup falls apart
broken kite
serene shuttle
so it cant go below+2 or +1
topaz ember
what dungeon drop the best loot for prot?
uneven mason
TD or AD
chrome harbor
atal-dazar has some nice stuff
frosty surge
I got rezans trink earlier and i was content
chrome harbor
also one of the easier ones
uneven mason
They both have good trinket + 1h + shield
serene shuttle
so you can get anything from m+ not just azerite armor right
frosty surge
Yes
chrome harbor
also blacksmithing keys work in AD
uneven mason
No azerite armor from M+ dungeon cache
chrome harbor
tested it out last week
topaz ember
do scrolls?
chrome harbor
no idea
frosty surge
Same gear as mythic zero but higher ilvl
chrome harbor
I would assume if the skeleton keys do the scrolls should
plain vapor
do we want to take the uldir only trait on the azerite gear
i assume you only take it on one piece toenable the orrigination array?
(whatever that does)
frosty surge
prisma crane
except from dungeon drops are capped at +5 this wk
frosty surge
Prob
topaz ember
omg there is a +11 siege of boralus in q not touching that yet
frosty surge
Lol siege isnβt that bad
topaz ember
i don't want to deal with the last boss
frosty surge
When you get that high you donβt need to complete it in time
Youβre just there for max gear
topaz ember
I'm doing a m4 motherload as my first keystone
frosty surge
GL
fossil delta
Is there a post that talks about other trinkets other then the ones posted in the icy veins page? or should i just do some sims?
frosty surge
Canβt really sim tanks
uneven mason
don't have sims, basically if its not on the IV guide, chances are its probably pretty weak heh
fossil delta
well, good to know i suppose, just trying to pick the "best" out of the ones i have/might get. procs versus ilvl and such
uneven mason
follow our stat priority, with the exception of high ilvl str is generally pretty solid
frosty surge
Ilvl is priority
uneven mason
not always for trinkets Dark
I mean, there are some REALLY bad trinkets for us π
plain ice
anyone else crafting their 355 pieces? trying to decide if it's worth it π€
frosty surge
Tru tru
I donβt think crafting 355 would be worth because knowing my luck Iβd replace that piece immediately
uneven mason
the 355 BS pieces will teach you the 370 recipe
clear sapphire
Knowing my luck is be the only new price this week :0
uneven mason
and the 385 patterns drop from Uldir iirc
clear sapphire
Peice*
plain ice
ya
and i don't plan on raiding mythic
but i can guarantee you that my first 2 pieces from the mythic+ chest will be waist/legs π
uneven mason
still employed, so, can't fix it.
dark junco
Whats rhe highes m+ you cleared in trime?
frosty surge
I personally havenβt tried any yet, I did a few zeros and the world boss
But Iβm gonna be raiding tonight
And then pluses tomorrow
sick sentinel
How are you doing as prot in m+?
stoic kite
Which mythic has the best 1h wepf or us?
not that any will drop
but I'm doing 1 mythic and I wanna try for a 1h
uneven mason
TD or AD are the best chances ccx
you've got a shot at 1h trinket and shield in both.
mystic ferry
@sick sentinel its rough
chilly brook
I mean tbh it's 140 haste for me
And tbh that feast is kinda well.....
Not feasible to get for the time required
shut summit
gr8 @sick sentinel
grim prism
Fwiw
The people who are in here regularly are the ones saying it is fine
The strongest spec is the one you play well :^)
chilly brook
TBH M+ is going to be difficult for most coming into the first week
There were people in Method who said the first week it was available on beta they didn't hit a +10 soooooo
glossy beacon
the trash seems like it'd be tough
serene shuttle
we went the volkaal path first
it was ok
you can skip the mid trash but our hunter pulled it
glossy beacon
stalkers in the mix?
lofty pier
what is the best now? Haste > Mastery >= Versatility or Haste > Versatility >= Mastery?
junior ivy
whyd i get a +20
serene shuttle
lol
sick sentinel
delete your key and do a m0
austere oar
how's prot in the raid for those who are NA ?
sick sentinel
for what i've seen most of the people roll on the normal
sick sentinel
only difficulty is strats
junior ivy
everyonhes doing +5s easily and i found a +4 hard π¦
junior ivy
where is new weeklky chest
quaint kiln
Whatβs the modifier on +5?
dark junco
We depleted the 5 waycrest, cause freeaking sanguine in hallways
And we had a few harsh pulls, like basement
serene shuttle
i found a +2 hard @junior ivy - hard as in i felt like the healer was having a hard time healing me lol
shut summit
@chilly brook already did 10 in time so will def be very easy after gettin gear from raid
serene shuttle
but they said i was fine and that i "knew how to kite" with jumps lol
junior ivy
the bosses were easy in the siege of boralus +4 but the trash was annoying
and we kept accidentally pulling extra packs
serene shuttle
you just have fortified until +5
junior ivy
i had fortified and sanguine
serene shuttle
or is it +4 you have 2 affixes
merry cave
+4 you get 2
underrot and tor really make me want that belf racial
or shield slam purge back π
balmy narwhal
i am getting dicked by zul phase 2
the dots hurt alot
something i am doing wrong?
swap at 2 3 stacks right?
stoic kite
Does the befouled spirit have to die first?
stoic kite
is it random each time
stoic kite
we ccd but then the mage broke all the cc w/ blizzard when I tried to pull back saying the befoul spirit has to die first or they wont take dmg
vocal nimbus
its very important to kick her
grim prism
so yeah
dont pull those
go on the other side
lol
haste buff from the matron will wipe you
stoic kite
I went left side last time and someone said right is easier
grim prism
its random
stoic kite
oh ok
grim prism
idk if its random in M+
vocal nimbus
focus the female caster while cleaving the group without the matrons
grim prism
but definitely go on the side that doesnt have matrons
vocal nimbus
dunno the name of the cast in english
its gotta be "offering to ghuun" or something
stoic kite
1 pull into the +2 key rogue says "Guys can we pause the timer? I have to pick up my car from the shop.. they close in 20 minutes"
vocal nimbus
just get another key π
grim prism
well yeah, thats what happens when your rogue quits 5 minutes in
stoic kite
I have a +5 freehold but saving it for later tonight w/ some other friends π
uncut fractal
Looks like a prot warrior already did +10, not bad
stoic kite
is there a wbsite that shows ideal pulls for M+ already?
or do I just gotta learn trial and error
sharp wyvern
anyone have the word doc link for blockable/reflectable abils in uldir/M+
scenic mica
Whos ready to do top dps in m+ as prot
serene shuttle
i can only get to about 5k ish ST damage wise π¦
plain ice
any chance we can get tanknotes.tk pinned?
undone sun
@final mist
plain ice
thanks thyme
i'm sure we'll get a lot of questions in the coming days - also, it's a pretty great resource. used it all throughout legion
fierce juniper
grim prism
word on the street is theyre rolling back those sick drops people got from their +15 weeklies this morning
old night
Punish or Into the Fray for Uldir raiding?
final mist
ItF
old night
okay cool. ty
chilly brook
@shut summit yea doesn't surprise me, but like I said I don't expect most to make a 10 this week without getting more gear
Hmmmmm
Fathoms or a 350 Eye of Rezan
π€
steel mauve
A 10 is doable at our gear lvl
final mist
Not everyone is geared or will be able to do a 10 even at ~340/350.
chilly brook
^
steel mauve
Some one said they mathed out that at most a 14 or 15 is doable but extremely difficult at our gear lvl, at max
final mist
You're overestimating the average player's capabilities.
chilly brook
Math is great on paper
steel mauve
The only logged high key is an 11, only took 2 hours lol
royal marten
What does the stronger together azerite power even do on the world boss tank shoulders
fair root
So I have some guildys who got a +15 key this week and downgraded it to a +10 and finished that like 2 hours over time. Their key will get removed but will they still have the +10 for the weekly chest next week as theres no way they would have got a +9 in time ?
balmy narwhal
anybody tanked zul yet?
shut summit
@chilly brook def
junior ivy
how do i defeat horde at the battle for stormgarde?
steel mauve
The bar needs to be 100% for horde contributions
junior ivy
o im confused
steel mauve
Those dailies by the quest guy, every one gives a contribution to the war effort, the horde do them and once its 100% you can queue for the thing to complete the quest for the warfront
Or weeklies idk which they are
I think the mat/profession ones are weeklies and the gold/resources ones are dailies
warm pebble
Who's turn is it this week to get the warfront weekly quest for the 370 piece? Horde or alliance?
severe summit
Hey guys, for tomorrow should i take endless fathoms flask or undertow?
severe summit
thank you levko much appreciated
dawn warren
Is the stat prio for prot Haste-Mastery-Vers-Crit?
undone sun
yes
dawn warren
wasnt it before Vers as #2?
ember arrow
nope
undone sun
no
dawn warren
hmm ok
dawn warren
ok
undone sun
i mean most of the time it was mastery>=verse because it was fight dependent, physical vs. magic types of damage
but generally mastery was ahead
dawn warren
Ok thx for heads up π i was little confused because icyveins said vers over mastery
bronze sand
hey what secondary stat should i focus on as prot?
chilly brook
Anyone know if a 350 Rezan would be a better trinket choice than a Fathoms?
undone sun
defensively speaking, probably
chilly brook
Aight
final mirage
Quick question guys: should we farm non stop +5 or +6?
which one gives the cap ilvl?
serene shuttle
question, Taloc, when he casts his hammer I run during the cast away right or what, I don't understand when the damage actually hits vs when it doesnt
undone sun
You can heroic leap out of the cudgel after Taloc has charged at you to take 0 dmg from it according to tanknotes, yeah when he's mid charge
serene shuttle
That's what I was wondering. Leap during the charge.
astral crystal
do dark young go immobile when they cast dark bargain?
gilded girder
I just looked through the Dungeon Journal for Uldir and not a single Azerite piece has Deafening Crash
ember arrow
yea
gilded girder
This ain't good bois
ember arrow
that was known for long time
gilded girder
Of course Reinforced Plating is represented
sick sentinel
get lucky with weekly cache xd
gilded girder
I have a 340 DC anyway so for now it's not a big deal, but later...
glossy bramble
@final mirage i believe 5 is all you need to cap the weekly chest ilvl
sick sentinel
+10 is for weekly chest +5 is for this weeks end of the dungeon chest ilvl cap
glossy bramble
what do yall think about blood siphon (mast+leech) vs winds of war (32 dodge stacking 5x)? theyre both A tier by icyvein's reckoning
sick sentinel
icyvein's guide is written either by sal or marok i think so you can make sure its the a guide you can follow and have no problems
topaz ember
My off atnk for normal riad has a 286 green sheild as a pally should i be scared?
sick sentinel
i dont know how hard block rate affects them but thats really low ilvl π
onyx sandal
Hey all. Speaking of icy veins and traits does anyone else find it weird that Azerite Carapce is ranked as S Tier (best)? 62 armor is nothing
I would think that Blood Siphon, Life Speed, or Ablative Shielding would be better
twilit yoke
into the fray or punish for main tanking first boss uldir?
junior ivy
ITF
twilit yoke
thats what i figured, thanks
misty charm
Hey guys, havent tanked in a long time and was thinking about playing prot, can someone tell me a bit about prots current state?
onyx sandal
Not the best but not the worst
misty charm
will i have trouble trying "higher" m+?
onyx sandal
And itβs all subject to change after this weeks supposed tuning pass
brave jetty
The outside consensus seems to be that we're on the lower end of tanks right now. I don't know that a lot of people in here feel that same way, my impression from folks here (and myself) is that we're adequate but not great at the moment.
onyx sandal
Weβre probably one of the least desired m+ but should still be good enough to push the weekly requirement. Just donβt expect to be clearing the highest level keys
misty charm
But is it fun to play? i mean i rather play something fun to play than something at the top but borring
digital arrow
why does everyone say prot is low tier? do u guys find urself dying to trash more often than expected
prisma night
fun is subjective
brave jetty
Overall? Yeah, I think so. Compared to Prot Warrior in Legion? I think the gameplay is a little worse relatively speaking, but Prot Warr is still very fun to play.
modern canopy
Play style is different from Legion, but still incredibly fun to play
misty charm
what did change from legion?
onyx sandal
I have fun with it. But thatβs mostly because i like charge, leap, overall mobility and the sword and board feel.
modern canopy
IP is no longer spammed. Now you rotate through AM skills more
brave jetty
We have a very fun and versatile kit, baseline, it's just they clunked it up a bit with the GCD stuff but it's ultimately probably something we can live with.
onyx sandal
All tanks got slower with GCD. Ignore Pain being on GCD took a while to get used to and definitely makes us feel slower but itβs all part of blizzards βsmart choicesβ push
modern canopy
The GCD hurts, but it isn't completely terrible. Unless you are bleeding edge, prot wars are a great tank for M+
digital arrow
blizz was all about being strategic and they think making us choose more often between revenge and IP is their smart choices lmao
brave jetty
The big changes were the addition of Intercept, IP, Demo Shout, and then some of our other cooldowns to the GCD
IP being the big clunker and Demo Shout also being a pain in the ass.
modern canopy
My only complaint with prot wars was initially gearing once at 120. That was a bit of a slog, but nothing unbearable
brave jetty
I see what they're going for in terms of gameplay but it doesn't feel particularly good compared to Legion. Maybe not even noticeable if you didn't play the spec a ton before BFA.
misty charm
my warrior is already at 340 so i should be fine, just need a good weapon >.>
alright that doesnt sound to bad
brave jetty
We're also not in a great spot in terms of talent variation, IMO
Not a lot of meaningful choices there.
sick sentinel
you will be fine with prot actualy more then enough damage is really insane we got good cds block is up for really long time with bolster we got good utility fear shockwave battle shout it might not match with grip and silence dh has yet prot is way better then people give credit to the spec
brave jetty
Since most tiers have pretty strictly superior options.
But yeah, we're probably viewed to be worse off than we actually are. You'll be fine.
sick sentinel
and prot is okey after you get used to it but IP on GCD takes some time to get used to im still not used to it
but its okey
onyx sandal
Iβm more thrown off by demo shout on the GCD tbh
modern canopy
I think the changes in BfA have made me better overall. I was spoiled in Legion. IP spamming gimped me
misty charm
Thanks people π
sick sentinel
the thing is prot was insanely fast-paced in t20 and t21 going from highest apm spec to mid-tier was triggering at start
onyx sandal
Rip berserker rage utility
brave jetty
Honestly it's looking to me like there's a very strong chance this expansion turns out to be a huge failure
Mission system is pure fucking garbage, Island expeditions are a massive, massive letdown
Azerite armor has some huge flaws
grim prism
ive really been maintaining optimism this whole time in the face of boneheaded design decisions
but really this is just carelessness
brave jetty
If they don't rein this shit in, things are really going to sour once the sheen of the new expansion wears off for people
sick sentinel
what happened?
brave jetty
I find it incredibly concerning that such a touted feature (expeditions, for example) made it to live despite being so bad and so shallow
grim prism
weekly chests giving 400s and +16s, subsequent rollbacks, server issues this evening, and the indefinite postponement of a pvp season that was supposed to start today because they still havent fixed the scaling issues that have apparently existed since Legion
sick sentinel
islands will take longer now cause of reasons
people were completing them faster then blizzard wanted them to
brave jetty
The fact that they're a race in the first place is kind of inane
grim prism
i.e. you can equip low level shit and put all your high ilvl shit in the void bank, and then absolutely dickstomp in pvp against people 250 ilvl higher than you because lolscaling
hence no season
ripski
people were pointing this shit out in beta and they said that it was unchanged since legion
sick sentinel
as game designer they have their own reasons when making those decisions sometimes make sense to you sometimes it doesnt yet dont forget %70 of players are just casuals who love to RP do lfr and collect stuff so their idea is to satisfy that group
grim prism
like got damn dude, ive really been maintaining positivity despite loot decisions and azerite drop tables and all the other needling little details that are kind of red-flaggy
but today is a dumpster fire
no, it doesnt make sense to any good developer to cancel a pvp season the day it was supposed to start
lol
these arent questionable design decisions
these are technical errors
sick sentinel
and yeah US bugs were really funny
well as i said their main idea to hype the casual players with horde alliance faction war and hype them with mounts in islands
how many people raid actualy heroic and above or do more challenging content part of the game
grim prism
dude
sick sentinel
im not saying its good dont get me wrong some decisions they made im still pissed yet its the fact for me
grim prism
rated pvp was the entirety of their "esports" prior to MDI last year
brave jetty
The best parts of this expansion so far (the quality of the zones and quests, storylines) are on features that are most fleeting
grim prism
this isnt something just a couple niche people are pissed about
brave jetty
They needed to really get their shit together when it came to core systems and features of the expansion
brave jetty
Well execution is part of the picture too
grim prism
a pretty fucking big part at tha
brave jetty
They're going to stop getting a pass eventually
And I can very easily see the consensus turning on them
sick sentinel
i would agree with bfa being released earlier then it should lots of bugs with wqs still having lag issues todays US m+ thingy was stupid
final cliff
Meanwhile in EU mostly everything has been smooth
I haven't had a single disconnect or lag, except AH and inspect features having a 2 second delay sometimes.
steel mauve
Ya i agree they should have held off on releasing bfa, i mean i even feel like the beta/alpha stages of the game were short compared to past expansions
final cliff
However i'm only playing on a high population server
Actually been enjoying tanking in mythic0 at least as a warrior, much better than legion imo
hazy drift
Stormsong Valley on my server today was absolute hell.
3/5 second loot time.
2/3 second combat delay.
final cliff
Are you in US or EU?
hazy drift
EU
hazy drift
Defias Brotherhood
This was earlier though, didnβt go back after I did the emissary.
Maybe 8 server time? I think itβs an hour ahead of local for me.
Itβs the worst Iβve had yet, and when I moved zones it was fine.
Went back and the lag was back, not sure what was happening.
serene shuttle
So Taloc drops a 2h weapon while I have prot spec selected, wth
Rank 8 on MOTHER π I'm happy
wary fractal
plain ice
π does Crystalline Carapace stack?
obviously it's still 10% - the armor and damage taken part
plain gyro
steel mauve
Hm we're still 7th
Ya, usually a lot of guilds raid at 7
We just have an odd ball like 10 am team lol
undone sun
Idk
topaz ember
if your not doing heroic the warfront world boss drop 370 gear
serene shuttle
my first raid drop was a 2h weapon while on prot loot spec π
junior ivy
you must knowww
undone sun
I'm not playing warrior this tier so I haven't looked indepth for it
steel mauve
Should probably be able to look at boss gear drops and see what you need for bonus rolls...
topaz ember
I'm saving my rolls for sheild drop
junior ivy
which boss is that
topaz ember
Vectis
junior ivy
ty
topaz ember
and the loast boss
digital arrow
anybody having trouble tanking heartsbane triad in waycrest manor? or is it just me?
im able to keep aggro on whoever is holding the iris
but the other two keep randomly attacking or spellcasting on random targets in my party, and i'll sometimes check their aggro and it'll be at like 278% for example
ivory barn
https://gyazo.com/37763a57c5cfe919e510a4979eb04360 anything other than higher ilvl pieces? what would u guys focus on first
digital arrow
not sure if they do enough damage to have to worry about it (when they arent holding iris)
tiny rapids
I ignore them
digital arrow
ahh
serene shuttle
thats how the pally felt on the first two bosses @junior ivy
glossy bramble
thoughts on blood siphon (mast/leech) vs winds of war (stacking dodge)?
serene shuttle
Does stormbolt interupt or just stun?
glossy bramble
IV guide puts them both on A tier so theres not a clear better
@serene shuttle stuns obviously also interrupt so im not sure what youre asking
its a stun if youre wondering if its just an interrupt
serene shuttle
adds on Zek'vaz
undone sun
if it doesn't stun it doesn't interrupt
sick sentinel
prime umbra
Can prot warriors block Fetid Devourers 4th hit
idk if its treated as an attack that can be blocked, but if so this might make prot the ideal tank for the fetid devourer
tiny rapids
shadow of zul REALLY hurts
solid mist
@sick sentinel where's the devastates? :troll:
serene shuttle
Intercepting the co-tank on Zek'vas takes their Shatter debuff just FYI
prime umbra
oh yeah
exotic matrix
Tank trinket from Zek'voz...how useless is it for prot?
prime umbra
Does anyone actually have any confirmation on this at all
The Fetid Devourers 4th strong hit
is it blockable
steel mauve
Says you can in the blockables list, and i believe the tank notes guide, both in the pins
crystal night
https://gyazo.com/d2cf38e745f2fee9b0ce9b4a7fad8c68 that ring on the right is a 330 and i feel like its better for me than the 355 I got from normal today
what do you guys think?
astral crystal
is archive > brace for impact?
amber siren
@crystal night Since it has a socket it's probably better
ember arrow
@prime umbra ot cant be blocked/parried
but idk about block
@crystal night 355 is definitely an upgrade
crystal night
Its only giving me stamina
astral crystal
someone halp
ember arrow
removal of BC made crit more valuable, also parry has much smaller diminishing returns than in legion
from crit
astral crystal
someone halp, there's nothing on archive of the titans in the warrior guides
jade ridge
no pawn strings available for prot warriors?
cinder nova
I don't think we have any info for uh
ember arrow
no
jade ridge
ok thx, so we rockin haste>vers>mastery?
jade ridge
talkin azurite pieces
astral crystal
any theorybois wanna clarify
crystal night
I just got 355 shoulders from Cthraxx and just tossed iron fortress on it
LOL and I think I broke the re roll https://gyazo.com/7d7d1cbc7594b0fe336fbaff8a6f62a2
chilly brook
Some of this stuff in Uldir hit's like a truck
sick sentinel
what would you guys say the pros of using prot war over other tank specs are