and is reason why for most part 10+ iLvl on ring is still worth it even if going from haste heavy ring to one without haste.
#protection
leaden blaze
kindred flint
idk how to gear for tank without simc
steel mauve
probably trolling on the crit thing
its pretty easy milk
gear with armor 5+ ilvl is upgrade
grim prism
No, crit is actually decent mitigatively compared to previous expacs. You just have no control over when it is effective unlike haste, which gives better rotational control, or vers/mast flat bonuses
steel mauve
on rings try to go with the stat priority
grim prism
So crit is still considered our least desirable secondary
steel mauve
but still a high enough ilvl will still win
grim prism
It isnt "desirable" but you arent torpedoing yourself if you have some crit pieces on
steel mauve
we dont need stat weights necessarily, since we still have a stat priority, but our stats are really close behind, as balsaq says, crit is our worst stat in the priority, but doesnt mean its bad either, as its still really close to our others
leaden blaze
Other tanks have simple iLvl>Primary>Secondaries and only compare secondaries up to 5 iLvl on rings and same iLvl on armor pieces, haven't checked much warrior stuff yet (Playing Blood/Protadin/BrM and Veng atm)
leaden blaze
Haven't got around leveling warrior and druid yet
Still trying to keep up tank specs discords incase there is some nice cheesy stuff to do on any of the tanks.
ebon geyser
all this time idk why i though marok was a dwarf but hes a tauren ๐ข
steel mauve
good, true master race
ebon geyser
i though he was part of the Chad Alliance
undone sun
he was a dwarf before he went horde
kindred flint
So if its 5 ilvl higher its an upgrade?
steel mauve
on pieces with armor on it
idk about cloaks though, some one will have to confirm, it has armor on them, but the armor gain per 5 ivls is like 6 or 7 iirc
rings are a grey area, they're only secondaries and stam, so the secondaries are more important than ilvl on them
kindred flint
Ok got it, thankss
vocal nimbus
Btw the crit thing wasnt trolling
The total amount of secondary stats whatever they are with, say, a 10 ilvl upgrade beats something with haste
potent aurora
the DMF trinket worth getting for prot or nah?
stoic kite
What's that addon called the flashes a spell/ability icon in the center of your screen when it comes off cooldown?
steel mauve
but crits not desirable, just how our stats are that an ilvl upgrade is an upgrade, you still want basically every thing over crit if you can help it
some one was saying the other day to stack crit for parry, which although isnt wrong, the wording makes it sound like you should be going for crit over every thing else just because parry
ember arrow
Well. Sine bc is gone crits gone up in value. Also crit has much smaller diminishing returns on parry than in legion
Is there an uldir tank sheet like there was for antorus?
undone sun
it's very close to being ready
ember arrow
Im a sheep thats too lazy to read up tactics help
wary crystal
As far as I know the dmf trinket is one of the best pretaid trinkets so yeah
robust urchin
I'm just about to give up on my prot warrior because i yet have to get a shield over 320
ember arrow
Well lets not go that far shall we
@wary crystal
Its the least terrible of the tank trinkets
robust urchin
It has been buffed to useful tier recently
wary crystal
lol yeah
And since tank trinkets don't seem to be a thing any more
ember arrow
The effect is still negligible
stoic kite
i just got a 340 shield from that dinosaur boss
robust urchin
It's still better then some questing greenw some people might have
wary crystal
I don't remember but do they typically offer ways to upgrade the dmf trinkets as the xpac progresses?
robust urchin
Definitely better then the stupid blood vial
stoic kite
In the haunted house, the 3 sisters boss. Do we need to keep agro on the sisters that aren't taking damage?
Seems like they attack others
not sure because stupid dps not switching or because I need to keep threat too
stoic kite
ok thx
stoic kite
any1 know a good prot warrior streamer i can watch
stoic kite
oh
robust urchin
I definitely don't know any prot streamers
ember arrow
Sense does i think
robust urchin
Maybe marok does
magic sonnet
Does anyone know a cool red shield for transmog ?
ember arrow
@shut summit do you stream prot?
dull pilot
whats the best weapon enchant for survival
lucid kelp
at what point do we get a 6 second shield block cooldown? is it like...90%?
mystic ferry
Is there anything like these Brewmaster guides for prot warrior? https://www.peakofserenity.com/bfa/brewmaster/dungeons/ataldazar/
austere oar
@dull pilot just play quick navigation tbh
ember arrow
Stack OP like i do on dk and get 91% haste procs
final mist
Not yet, @mystic ferry
austere oar
Armor enchant is survival on a proc so trashtier
mystic ferry
Ah I see probably because ded class
undone sun
๐ค
ember arrow
robust urchin
Dead AF
ember arrow
Moving on
final mist
Okay, if that's how you feel.
lucid kelp
ye I'm trying to figure out what kind of crazy proc's or buffs i'd need to hit that...and im drawing blanks XD
robust urchin
Blizzard actually announced that they will remove the pror spec from the game in 8.1
ember arrow
Sal with the motivational speech
mystic ferry
nobody will notice but us
ember arrow
Can we stop memeing in a spec channel. Lurkers will bslieve it
dull pilot
what about http://prntscr.com/kq9ar0
austere oar
That's a healer one
dull pilot
austere oar
Yeah this one
mystic ferry
isnt it just quick navigation or stalwart navigation
mystic ferry
keep trying dude
undone sun
it's a choice between quick nav or stalwart
mystic ferry
you'll spell it one day
lucid kelp
the Vers one's not considered?
robust urchin
It's not even a spell
magic sonnet
Thatโs it!
ember arrow
Player2 with the shots firing
dull pilot
my druid off tanks useing coastal but i gess that wont work on me
robust urchin
Stop bullying the stam flask
undone sun
it deserves to be bullied
austere oar
^
mystic ferry
@dull pilot why are you trying so hard to avoid using QN
dull pilot
qn ?
undone sun
but it's best isn't good enough
austere oar
Quick nav
ember arrow
Didnt marok write an article how more hp isnt necessarily bad @undone sun
undone sun
lucid kelp
they should make the Stam flask be an Armor flask...or something
dull pilot
i have it on now just makeing sure i have the best 1 on
ember arrow
Why are u ing me
robust urchin
STOP BULLYING THE STAM FLASK IT'S NOT IT'S FAULT BLIZZARD MADE IT THE WAY IT IS
austere oar
Isn't our core mitigation based on stats now ?
mystic ferry
Talking about meme consumables, why do we still have to switch spec before eating
shits dumb
ember arrow
Not the active part
ember arrow
Who
robust urchin
Everyone really
mystic ferry
not playing dual gather
ember arrow
caring about gold
robust urchin
dual gather a month after expac launch
dark junco
Got a druid alt for that
robust urchin
ember arrow
No external emotes forces ppl to be creative 
robust urchin
Also can someone explain to me why the tokens crashed so hard
austere oar
BoE gear I'd say
mystic ferry
Because we all spent all our gold on 350s
I've managed to join a guild that doesn't realize prot is bad
robust urchin
I can't wait to sell overpriced flasks tomorrow
mystic ferry
They'll never know
ember arrow
You top 100 world?
robust urchin
Im contacting them right now
dull pilot
so this is useless ? http://prntscr.com/kq9cmf
robust urchin
Sending them scos video
mystic ferry
buddy im not top 100 in my own house
austere oar
Not useless but mediocre
dull pilot
k
undone sun
armor is fine but useless against magic
ember arrow
Armor proc that when procs needs to build up
Defibition of useless
Also definition
austere oar
You dont want to base your mitigation on procs
robust urchin
When a new player creates a warrior they should really play a collage of scos tanking breakdowns tbh
austere oar
Do these streamers intentionally pick every trash tier talents to try their classes ?
mystic ferry
When a new player creates a warrior Blizzard should really create them a DK, DH, or monk
robust urchin
Why not a paladin
mystic ferry
we dont need more white knights
robust urchin
Paladin are cool they block spells and aren't aftaid of anything
ember arrow
๐ค
austere oar
During legion + before pre patch heh?
mystic ferry
The warrior class is actually so thought out
ember arrow
Most classes didnt got tested pst 110
mystic ferry
you play prot or arms which makes you really fucking mad at Blizzard so you play fury
ember arrow
Dk discord memes the fck outta him too
tiny sphinx
we were the first tank, even though shaman and rogue were supposed to be tanks too but that got scrapped
robust urchin
I can't stop playing my warrior
austere oar
Unless you're cutting edge you can play anything anyway
robust urchin
I wanted to try out fury the other day so i equipped my 2 one handers waited 30 minutes in dps que just to discover smf is a thing of the past
robust urchin
And you can't play fury without 2handers
balmy narwhal
there are a lot of magic damage in uldir from what i see
ember arrow
Hehehe
robust urchin
I don't believe that you have 30 nanoseconds dps ques
mystic ferry
just queue as tank and then dps
robust urchin
Thats what i end up doing anyway
ember arrow
^ why idont do hc randoms
austere oar
fury warrior w/ 125k hp
ember arrow
Fury gets no bonus hp
mystic ferry
you can totally out dps the randoms in heroic lfgs as prot
its rare that anything else happens tbh
sick sentinel
Until you wipe cus no one interrupts or dps is shit or pull more trash.
robust urchin
join hc with some premade brazilians from area52
healer says go fast pls
go fast
he barely keeps up
go slow pls
ember arrow
Lol
robust urchin
Always area52
austere oar
Did you notice the massive arrival of tank hunters in pugs also ?
inland silo
thats not a br server tho
robust urchin
No
austere oar
Can't even finish my trashpack
robust urchin
I only notice dead hunters
austere oar
Another ones coming
austere oar
One day I did a Motherlode pug, we literally cleared every trash pack until 2nd boss bc trash pull
I left their trash grp instant
robust urchin
Im waiting 0 seconds for a que they wait like 40 minutes
mystic ferry
motherlode is fucking cancer with dps who pull everything
austere oar
Fckn Bombs everywhere
mystic ferry
you end up fighting like 5 packs at once because the dps feels like they constantly have to be holding a or d
robust urchin
That's why i just pull everything on my own
bombing part
12 bombs on the ground
all the dps die in it
mystic ferry
thats next level
robust urchin
๐ ๐
mystic ferry
i just pull all the bombs in our path because someone else will anyway
austere oar
But can't moooove, muuuh dips
robust urchin
There is nothing to dps
Its the finishing move when the mobs die they just carpet bomb the area
mystic ferry
"i cant kick the bombs i have to be doing dmg to the boss"
thats a real quote from motherlode pug
robust urchin
The footballs?
undone sun
๐ค
ember arrow
"You have been banned from skyhold, again"
robust urchin
Eh just join again
mystic ferry
how hard do you have to meme in here to get banned lol
robust urchin
Not like they monitor it
mystic ferry
we're hardly ever on topic
frosty wedge
lol
robust urchin
But yeah fuck motherload
austere oar
That's a chill discord compared to the monk one
frosty wedge
pugging is killing me - my warr is at 344, so I'm trying to gear up my guardian so i ahve 2 tanks for m/m+ nextw eek and my god
austere oar
You have like 6 sub categories for each spec
harsh dagger
I do motherload with 2 locks and a shaman and we just skip every trash pack with soulstone/ankh
robust urchin
Imagine skittish teeming motherload
mystic ferry
if your two tanks are guardian and prot warr dont you have 0 tanks? ๐ค
ember arrow
For m+
austere oar
playing bear in 2018
robust urchin
not having a blood dk for m+
robust urchin
What is wrong with you sum dum
ember arrow
Pala
mystic ferry
dh > brm > dk you heard it here first
undone sun
gross
ember arrow
Right
undone sun
brm ๐คฃ
austere oar
DK can literally solo trash at this point
frosty wedge
I've never really liked DK at all
mystic ferry
dk can solo trash but prot warrior IS trash, how can they compete
robust urchin
Just delete ur warriors tbh
austere oar
Can DK solo warrior then ?
mystic ferry
the worst part about prot warrior is its really fun
so im stuck playing this awful class because its more fun than the good tanks
if they made prot warrior less fun i could play other things
austere oar
I'm maining BrM with prot as main alt
wicked snow
I would have to agree with that. I used to run a blood dk. But prot warrior is way more fun
mystic ferry
add shield block to the gcd
austere oar
now balanced
ember arrow
Yikes
robust urchin
My guild is running prot and bear as main tanks
austere oar
Oof
frosty wedge
yeah if he can't hold aggro on aoe playing prot isn't his problem
robust urchin
It's fine it's a super casual guild that takes itself seriously
mystic ferry
I think they should add shield block the GCD so i have more time to click all my abilities
its too hard right now
austere oar
Well only time I lost aggro as prot is when I dont have Ava and playing with Havoc DHs
ember arrow
@mystic ferry u have stockholm syndrome with prot warrior lmao
mystic ferry
im not the only one
balmy narwhal
Reading all this makes me really discouraged for m+ tomorrow
ember arrow
@balmy narwhal me too. Since for me it comes out wednesday
austere oar
Put GCD on autos
mystic ferry
this discussion is still a million times better than the "UF needs a nerf" discussion before
robust urchin
Actually you know the debuff in freehold that stuns you when you jumo
ember arrow
"Nerf the tbing warr excels at"
robust urchin
That for prot warriors after every ability
ember arrow
Yees
robust urchin
Also blizzard needs to delete every warrior who has devastor still speced
mystic ferry
no devastator is good for my passives build where i press no buttons
ember arrow
Player2 is a max level memer i see
wintry ermine
tidal surge vs reinforced plating?
robust urchin
And it makes me angery
austere oar
RP I'd say
mystic ferry
i kinda want safeguard to be made baseline
undone sun
we all wanted warbringer to be made baseline but blizz thought it was too good
robust urchin
It's pretty good though
mystic ferry
mass spell reflection in pve pls
supple path
Is there any resource for how the more general azerite traits stack up? e.g. filthy transfusion vs iron fortress
austere oar
Lifesteal
robust urchin
Leech?
austere oar
Pop a ground AoE that leeches an ennemy
mystic ferry
anyone planning on streaming prot raids tm?
robust urchin
I do
austere oar
If you do I'll come by
My first raid is my guild's alt run Wed 2PM so I'll bring my warr
mystic ferry
im planning on pugging heroic uldir tm because i hate myself
and i dont feel like waiting for my guild raid
mystic ferry
i think i'll require discord and then mute people
like teaching a kindergarten classroom
robust urchin
Well i have no choice then to pug uldir
austere oar
Fun times await
robust urchin
My guild is kinda bad and they already have bad tanks for the 2 slots filled
mystic ferry
so usurp them my dude
robust urchin
Nah fuck them
mystic ferry
play dps and make passive aggressive comments until they let you tank
its a classic wow strategy
robust urchin
It's their loss
austere oar
We have a 30 players roster so we're going in 3/7/rest on our first night 
robust urchin
I'm planning on moving servers anyway
mystic ferry
i feel like the best way to get better as a tank is to guild hop like an asshole
robust urchin
Because so many people hit max level like a week ago our raid leaders decided to put the ilvl needed for raid to 325
austere oar
Or to find good ppl
robust urchin
Also none of our "raid" alchemist even has rank 3 recipes
snow osprey
Do you think 30ppl raid is a good idea? My guild has split it into 2 raids of 15 peeps
robust urchin
Or cauldron for that matter
austere oar
Well if you can assume every role then yeah 15 is enough
obsidian siren
30 man raid on MOTHER
snow osprey
@robust urchin damn mate, run from this guild :monkaS:
obsidian siren
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obsidian siren
i think we're like 27 or 29 first the first raid night
snow osprey
@robust urchin consider doing uldir with some raiding discord. Lije EuroRaid if you are from EU. NA probly has something similar
austere oar
That's mostly like that bc of the hype
obsidian siren
still expecting 9 or 10 to drop out tho
austere oar
To bring back the whole roster after a long break
obsidian siren
"urgh, mythic is so haaaaaaaaaawrd"
robust urchin
I am i euro raid
And hope to go with them
Im literally only in the guild because i like a handful of people there
snow osprey
I thought your name looked familiar)))
robust urchin
Haven't really been active on discord the past weeks
snow osprey
Me too)
robust urchin
#metoo
snow osprey
Funny how tanks life got more difficult compared to legion, yet amount of tanks in guild is insane... i am going as a fury and will be a backup tank only because guild is split in 2 raids
mystic ferry
its so dumb dude
snow osprey
Wonder if amount of tanks is high everywhere
snow osprey
In my previous guild weve had like 3 tanks and a bunch of people who could tank as offspec. In my current guild there is tonn of guys who main tank and refuse to switch to dd
Maybe its just a coincidence
mystic ferry
because tanking is fun
robust urchin
Stop bullying me its half past 2 in the morning and im on my mobile device
mystic ferry
its like dps but you matter
robust urchin
In my guild it's literally only 3 tanks
snow osprey
Ye, tanking is fun idd.... cant wait for obe of tanks to fail so I can fill in ๐
robust urchin
And when one of them can't make it the gm and rl who is a prot warrior forces a dps to switch to tank
Because he knows im better at prot then him
And he hates it
snow osprey
That is the kind of abusive relationship you dont need
mystic ferry
if only it was easily possible to leave guild and find another
robust urchin
Yeah i basically told him im never raiding with the guild ever and just stay for aome friends
Yeah i know imma switch servers anyway soon
It just amuses me
stoic kite
4 mythics left.. can I do it before reset
robust urchin
Sure you have like a whole day
stoic kite
motherlode, underot, tol dagor and waycrest manor
robust urchin
Casual af tbh
stoic kite
I just wont look at the loot from those dungeons
robust urchin
Motherload and waycrest really dont have anything usefull
robust urchin
He already has one
stoic kite
I think ill do waycrest for the night for a 1h chance
i lied and looked at all the loots
robust urchin
Ducking liar
severe summit
Vast Horizon or Undertow for this wednesday guys?
prisma night
str flask
robust urchin
You disgrace the great Marok with this question
robust urchin
check guild forum
since none of the raider alchemist has rank 3 or cauldron flask is not mandatory for raid right now
The gift that keeps on giving
mystic ferry
you guys going for world first?
mystic ferry
youve got all the signs of a great guild
is the RL requiring a higher ilvl than he has too?
thats a good one
robust urchin
No he lowered it from 340 to 325
Because many raiders didn't hit max level until last week
sick sentinel
Wow
robust urchin
Yeah that's because many of the dps complained how they cant make it
Because they have to wait in ques for so long
It's like a comedy gold mine
One of the gms needs 1on1 babysitting to even function
steel mauve
My girlfriend visited me for the launch and is still here and ive barely played much and am still 340
prisma night
i was able to get one toon up to 335 ish decide i dont think dks are fun and then swap mains to warrior and get back up to 335
steel mauve
Think ive played maybe 6 or 7 days in the last 3 weeks, was easy to get ilvl honestly, and a guild group can do mythics at like 290, so there shouldnt be a whining of queue times
robust urchin
Yeah but one of our healers who is also the second guild master doesn't like doing mythics
prisma night
pffft wut
robust urchin
Because they are hectic
steel mauve
Thats a part of the gearing process though...
prisma night
fishing for those sick tf's in heroic dungeons then i guess lol
steel mauve
If you dont then you are only holding your guild back, should do whatever possible to be raid ready...
robust urchin
Nah its ok
Those people who actually did gear up are going to carry her
No questions asked
prisma night
sounds about right
steel mauve
Guess im old school, but i cant stand the thought of my team carrying me
mystic ferry
thats a yikes
round vortex
Our raid has people with 3 toons at 340 lol
steel mauve
I did one full day of mythics, since limited time with the girlfriend visiting, and the next week ive done like 2 mythics, and got to 340
round vortex
Yeah I set the bench mark at 17 for my guild on the neck.
robust urchin
Maybe like 5 raiders have that
round vortex
340 ilvl and if itโs under itโs a case by case basis. So if someone is 338 but is short on like off pieces Iโm fine. But if they are 335 because of weapons and trinkets - unlucky lol
steel mauve
I wanted to be 18 before raid, but i think ill only be 17 by the time my raid starts
robust urchin
By the time i completed my first myth lockout most of my guild started doing heroics
steep lily
What weapon enchant are most people thinking of getting for raid? Haste or armor?
robust urchin
Haste
amber siren
For defensive armour is going to win out 98% of the time, haste is more of a dps enchant
It's up to you either way
steep lily
I guess I'm more worried about any magic heavy fights where the haste should win out defensively
steep lily
Guess so. Are the proc rates equal? Just seems like 600 haste is a bigger deal than 600 armor right now
amber siren
I'm guessing they're equal
stoic kite
No weapon but 340 chest from waycrest ๐
steep lily
Ya, guess after a couple weeks people should have a better idea what works better
velvet cargo
holy crap thunderclap does so much damage
velvet cargo
I last tanked heroics like first patch of legion, I don't remember it doing that much damage single target back then, so I wasn't using it as much
limpid pewter
the icy veins guide says typically the secondary stats are close enough that you take the higher ilevel. but approx how many ilevels would you take a socketed piece over another?
junior ivy
is everyone scared for raid tomorrow
shut summit
no
junior ivy
i dunno any of th fights yet
shut summit
yolo
junior ivy
true. i gotta learn.
junior ivy
thanks!
weary notch
we're expecting class tuning tomorrow, yes?
weary notch
thought they said first week of sept. Guess you could read that either way
undone sun
it's usually after the first heroic week
stoic kite
334 ilvl from one day of mythics ๐
and a bought 355 trinket off the AH of course
and a lucky 355 titanforge
steady cedar
had the same sort of luck with my bdk alt
hit 120 sat. sitting 339.whatever tonight
stoic kite
yeah I got 120 yesterday
way luckier than my shaman
helps that i can get instant groups as prot though
solid mist
if I'm like 320 and wanting to do mythics. what are some good ones to start with?
weary notch
any. 320 is plenty to do mythics
stoic kite
all of them
weary notch
would say king's rest is the toughest, but not by a lot
empty locust
Some really good info in that guide for raid
some of it may change, hard to say
was made by Crzypck from Mist, very easy to read
astral crystal
yeah for real just yolo
solid mist
any hilariously broken spell reflectable abilities in any of the mythics or upcoming raid? ๐
torpid prism
do any of the guides go over best talent setup for levelling as prot?
at first glance, they appear to be spec's for after you hit 120
undone sun
it's not much different if at all for leveling
torpid prism
albeit, most of the talents will likely be similar. Just wandering if there are any worth swapping out for ease of levelling
dull pilot
junior ivy
grats!
dull pilot
ta
plain vapor
hey is there a tanking spreadsheet goin around for uldir yet?
undone sun
There's a few going around, the one made by panthea in particular is nearly complete
like there's this one, a Gif guide for each boss https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hBdqFguqV01NXA8n0WTF2gWim1zXsih83hfJ8a5yAkw/htmlview#
junior ivy
@undone sun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is just what i need !!!!!!!!!!
omg i love this
undone sun
๐
junior ivy
thanks !!!
sharp garden
i use raidbot to sim dps for arms and fury, but does is there a way to sim for defensive gameplay ala raidbot or some other simulator?
stoic kite
where's the underot
undone sun
@sharp garden nope, there is no accurate way to sim defensively
candid cobalt
undone sun
The Icy veins guide in the pins has the correct Traits to go for
and DC is really the only one worth sacrificing ilevel for
prisma night
would iron fortress trait be better than BfI in m+?
since it works better for aoe dmg?
or does it have an Internal cd?
amber siren
not enough of a difference really to warrant a distinct preference tbh
bfi gives more block
damage from if is meg
meh
prisma night
overlapping the block for bfi is more important i guess
than the extra dmg from iron fortress on aoe pulls
then bfi also pulls ahead on ST dmg for raid bosses since they have slow swing timers and you wont be tanking 100% of the time
sick sentinel
Rut rue
amber siren
๐ข
stoic kite
330 strength trinket or 340 mastery trinket?
330 str strinket is just +187 str and the 340 mastery has a use that increase str by 1077
1.5 min cd same as avatar (on 340 use trinket)
stoic kite
Oh it has a chance to summon a risen ravasaur to my side for 12s
stoic kite
yeah probably since I an macro it w/ avatar for a lil more dps
Are dps spec warriors bad atm? I keep inviting one for my mythics and they are always lowest dps
sometimes horribly bad
yet really geared
amber siren
nope very strong in m+ rn with high burst damage
a lot more warriors atm since arms was fotm for a bit
not so much anymore with sims coming out
next goblet
so how bad am i really gimping myself not using booming voice? lol i mean aside from the rage and 15% dmg boost when i use DS.. am i really gimped that bad?
i thought Devastator actually gave more dps than BV.. but i could be mistaken
undone sun
pretty sure it doesn't ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
raven kernel
You're gimping yourself pretty badly
fierce juniper
raven kernel
Devastator is a crutch talent for people that haven't adapted to the gcd changes
Plus the opportunity cost of NOT having bv
upbeat folio
While the GCD are awful and nonsensical, it's time.
What I really don't understand is why monks don't have a similar restriction.
next goblet
i so enjoy the devastator playstyle better tho lol
upbeat folio
Both brews are off the GCD.
raven kernel
Sb is our main mitigation now and it's off the gcd
upbeat folio
I would be less sour if they just took IP off.
raven kernel
Think of ip as a bonus buffer, not your primary tool
upbeat folio
But playing my monk feels so smooth and predictable.
raven kernel
Monk is good no doubt
upbeat folio
I'm just talking from a play standpoint, not so much effectiveness.
Although there's no doubt they are great.
raven kernel
There will always be easier and harder classes to play though
Like outlaw rogue is pretty brain dead atm
upbeat folio
I don't have any experience with that, but if it's anything like the old days of slice and dice, I don' know how anyone does it.
inland wasp
honestly im getting quite used to the new play style of prot and while i feel monk does feel smoother warriors arnt in that bad of a spot
upbeat folio
They really need to give most of the pure DPS classes the 2 spec treatment.
So they end up in that position less often.
inland wasp
this is going to be my first year being MT tho for mythics im kinda excited and terrified all at once lol
raven kernel
My death recap when I got ganked by one was like 8 sinisters with one finisher in between
Skilled gank
sick sentinel
@raven kernel I dont feel that IP should be treated as bonus, with it reduced A LOT of dmg if used correctly (of a dps cost) for now at least
SB > IP for sure but still
raven kernel
You need sb up first
If you do raw ip it just gets munched almost instantly
If you do raw ip it just gets munched almost instantly
inland wasp
IP is decent if you need extra deffences.
raven kernel
Sb then ip and your mitigation is god
inland wasp
thing im wrapping my head on is Last Stand as a defensive option now with Bolster
upbeat folio
It's really cool.
inland wasp
it is its just not how im used to using it
raven kernel
Bolster is huge
upbeat folio
It's hard to get out of the habit of using shield block, but once you do, you get a lot out of it.
raven kernel
When I pull a huge pack, or if someone aggros an extra pack
I usually pop last stand straight away
next goblet
so when playing with BV how often do you actually find yourself using devastate?
sick sentinel
@inland wasp yea I felt the same, then I got WA for bolster/SB and it changed a lot for me
inland wasp
i like the fact of it giving a full block for duration and that it means i can get my SB back its just a new mind set that my mind is having a hard time wrapping around
raven kernel
So I can devote all my rage to ip
upbeat folio
@next goblet Not often. Devastate sees more use on bosses than anywhere else.
next goblet
ok so i haven't been playing wrong then lol
raven kernel
Yeah you hardly ever devastate when aoeing
next goblet
idk i just felt kinda more in control with my procs with devastator, and its not like i was getting murked or anything but if im really gimping myself that hard.. back to BV
inland wasp
yeah for CD's Dev is lowest priority
upbeat folio
No one here is going to advocate for hyper-focusing on devastate. None of us are that bored yet.
Also, the way thunderclap changed how we deal damage kind of made it unimportant.
next goblet
tru
upbeat folio
Shield slam ain't what it used to be, you know?
inland wasp
yeah TC is just nuts these days
next goblet
yeah i know ๐ฆ
upbeat folio
If you can focus on damage, you're going to be trading globals between revenge/thunder clap.
(assuming you have enough mobs present and you can justify not using IP.)
next goblet
also its weird not relying on IP as much
inland wasp
so between Brace for Impact and Iron Fortress what are you all finding more useful?
i really enjoy Iron Fortress
sick sentinel
where is DC on ur list
inland wasp
must have 1
sick sentinel
DC is bis (only 1 tho)
inland wasp
which is why im asking about the other 2
next goblet
i mean you CAN tank w/o DC..
inland wasp
you shouldnt
amber siren
bfi is better for dps and has the potential for higher block value with ss resets
sick sentinel
dont know exact numbers but it might be also best dmg trait
amber siren
if is just the average version
inland wasp
fair enough
next goblet
yeet got some 340 boots finally
would you guys dump a 310 plunderbeards flask for a 340 gore crusted butchers block? i know the static STR is definitely good but i also understand trinkets have a little more leeway
other trinket is a 340 big red button
raven kernel
I use Fathoms and Blockades lul
inland wasp
yes i would. while haste is useful the str upgrade to me is worth it
raven kernel
Str affects block never4get
inland wasp
and parry to a lesser extent but it mitigation
next goblet
man i need to get a better set of shoulders that have DC on them
but im capped on mythics for the week.. time to spam heroics
310 shoulders O.o
i have the WORST luck when it comes to drops lol
merry cave
I honestly expect a TC nerf and SS buff
sick sentinel
just go iron dwarfes, isnt it the best race for tanks?
@next goblet I never got any shield nor weapon from mythics0, did 30 of them, using 294 2h for arms
tiny sphinx
there are very few bad races for tanks
next goblet
i mean any race can tank if they want to
sick sentinel
ofc all races are ok if u are not top 2%, but just wondering, dwarves in general can remove bleeds which is very present in kings rest
and damn ticks
next goblet
and humans can get out of stuns ๐คท๐ฟ
sick sentinel
I feel like pretty much all stuns are dispellable or avoidable
also MS+ indoors for faster mythic+ :p
upbeat folio
I've been a draenei for a decade or something.
It's not amazing, but it's also not awful.
The heal over time is only five seconds these days.
sick sentinel
drenai here too, macro last stand + healing is nice
upbeat folio
Yeah, that's how mine is set up.
raven kernel
Dark iron dwarf is really nice
crude summit
troll , orc or UD?
static lance
i dont think offhand WQ exist currently
so far its all been mainhand
rn i'm 340+ in everything except shield. but thats not so bad.
becoming a lot more zen about my drops now. it will come eventually.
jagged sluice
Yeah - I'm started mythics and have had no luck with a shield - even in heroic So the one im using is still 300
wild sandal
Is devstator better than booming voice? Preaches be video went for it and I was wondering
undone sun
nope
sick sentinel
bv gives more rage and more damage on anything aoe
wild sandal
Alright, thanks
granite crag
Well if we're talking about normal wqs then yes, alliance eu yesterday had a wq with shield reward
sick sentinel
i ran with a 320 shield from an elite wq for the longest time
there totally are shield quests
are you sure you're in prot lootspec ๐ค
granite crag
Or was it the day before? Don't remember anymore
I'm sure the shield was there for me although I wasn't in Prot lootspecc
Maybe it's like emissary where it's just depending on class instead of specc
willow dirge
Yeah it's like that - I had arms loot spec and could see the shield
static lance
my entire guild calls out weapon WQs when they pop. I've seen 3 that award two handers but none that give str one handers or shields.
there were a couple over the past 3 days that gave an agility one hander and intellect one hander, though.
so they're appearing, its just not our turn yet.
smoky wave
Had a str fist weapon pop up yesterday. not tanked with a fist weapon for years. Wrath maybe?
serene shuttle
Mythics for 3 damn weeks still have a 325il shield ๐ฆ
frosty holly
M+ time now you can at least grind for one ๐
serene shuttle
I don't have access to any shamans in my guidl ๐ฆ
like NONE what so ever
So I thought M+ opened next week with Mythic raids. Apparently it opens this reset. So what ilvl are the M+'s dropping at the end of the run in the chests? I didn't play much in Legion so I don't know how their ilvl works in there
smoky wave
https://mythicpl.us/ has a nice summary table
raven kernel
Buy that oswains
serene shuttle
I'm probably going to have to since we don't get a shield drop until what like halfway through the raid.
I just am cheap with gold and don't want to pay the 200k for it
frosty holly
Bought the 2h BoE Axe for 450k myself after it had been 600k for like a week, next day one up for 399k ๐
static lance
oswain's is going for 350k on my server
serene shuttle
We should get a group and go farm some oswain's ๐
All the farming groups want monk tanks for Dave ๐ฆ
prisma night
Eh im sure we'll survive until a shield drops in raid
serene shuttle
BIS one imo is off last boss
ember arrow
M+ tomorrow hyype
serene shuttle
I'm not looking forward to it. I have a shitty guild group comp for them.
serene shuttle
Holy Priest, Frost Mage, Prot Warrior, Huntard and we usually hav eto pug the last spot
Only the frost mage is decent though for my group ๐
static lance
prot warrior, disc priest, enhancement shaman, ret paladin and a floating spot in my group.
serene shuttle
I just want to get a M+ done that has a shield before raid lol
junior igloo
m0 = m1?
static lance
i mean technically the lowest keystone you can get is a +2, so a basic mythic is an m1.
serene shuttle
is it?
vocal nimbus
there arent +1 keystones
serene shuttle
well i stand corrected then
ember arrow
Noone calls them m1
west pelican
Guys, protection warriors and mythic+ - How do you use shockwave if rolling with a group that has a longer aoe stun? Do you take it off the bars to not DR?
I could see it potentially doing more harm than good with the super short duration it has
static lance
depends. sometimes i use it to interrupt something. sometimes the other AoE stun is on cool down.
south patrol
I would keep it, there's always a chance you need it
west pelican
@static lance yeah, my point there with the interrupt - I do that as well, but it might actually wipe the group on high keys if you DR aoe stun just to interrupt
static lance
well, if the only other choice is to let the spell go off and possibly also wipe the group...
west pelican
I wonder what the purpose of it is... I mean it's not meant for raid tanking. And it's not good for high keys. Not sure what they intended it's uses to be... HC dungeons?
static lance
also, some casts need a stun to interrupt, so again, not much choice in the matter. unless you spec stormbolt, which i know some people on here are fans of.
static lance
i know its baseline. never said it wasn't.
merry cave
What are you talking about, unless you are rolling with 2-3 other aoe stuns you will still use it
Taking it off your bars is moronic
merry cave
Are you running with 3 other aoe stuns?
west pelican
In high keys where you do HUGE pulls every 2 minutes and kite/stun
you don't need 3 other stuns
But, yeah, it has it's uses in low keys
sharp lotus
raged for the first time in years today during a mythic, kinda worried if i caught a report will i get banned for uldir release
static lance
so what you're afraid of is that you might DR the AoE stun from the monk (as an example), by using Shockwave? That would only be an issue if you Shockwave first.
sharp lotus
do you guys think they would cut me some slack?
static lance
just dont use shockwave first and save it for interrupts. by the time you get to those high keys, you'd know which pulls need that interrupt and which ones don't.
west pelican
@static lance yeah, I guess that's it
It just feels really meh... 2 sec stun that fucks up for the other classes ๐
Not sure what blizz intended with it - seems badly designed
@sharp lotus I think you're fine ๐ depends what you wrote tho I guess
junior igloo
You will not get banned, you might get muted (can't talk in public channels for a time) @sharp lotus
sharp lotus
is party considered public/raid?
vocal nimbus
unless you were quite spammy or used racial slurs you wont get muted
sudden tapir
I wouldnโt sweat it too much, you may simply get a mute out of principle for a few days. You most likely will get nothing at all..
But hey, would you rage again given the same scenario? Really not worth getting heated over ๐ฆ
sharp lotus
i genuinely never get mad, maybe frustrated but never angry. I dont know what got into me, its embarrassing for sure
over a normal mythic especially
i should be good then, thanks
ember arrow
you raged in voice or in chat
sharp lotus
not in voice chat, just in party with a pug
vagrant arrow
how much oswain shield in ur realm
smoky wave
~175k on mine. As nice as it is, it's not worth a month's sub for me.
hearty portal
Anyone thats going to tank uldir tomorrow?
prisma night
I will
knotty herald
Damn straight @hearty portal
hearty portal
I will probably wait untill the patch and hope that they make prot more enjoyable
vagrant arrow
i will
undone sun
i'm definitely enjoying protadin atm
ember arrow
dk for me ^^
old zephyr
prisma night
I think its a little clunky at times at the beginning of pulls but ultimately fun
Hoping for even a little change to ip tho
cosmic cargo
aoe makes vengeance shine
prisma night
75% instead of 50% or something. Higher cap perhaps
austere oar
Fracture x2 bomb fracture bomb yay dh
cosmic cargo
hence why i said aoe
the trait that gives more souls from some fractures + the immolation aura souls help
and cycle of binding
prisma night
Think im gonna level protadin next
cloud bone
I'm having fun with monk it's playstyle is pretty much the same as legion and I like it then too
prisma night
I mained monk since wod and bfa actually made me quit it
cloud bone
what made you not like it?
austere oar
Tier 100 talent for sure x)
prisma night
Mainly the just keep isb up and purify when the math allows you to. Not a bfa specific thing but they didnt address the core issues that the monk active mit system has
austere oar
Well monk is extremely particular in his AM, it's really hard to fix the issues without making it absurdly overpowered
prisma night
Oh absolutely its hard to make it work but its just inherently boring knowing for any encounter you just have to have isb up all time. No thought about encounter. Big hit? Okay lets see if i can purify without dropping isb
Fun
Had to go hard on parses just to not kms in legion
Perhaps it was just my time. 2 expacs of monk maybe i was just too familiar with it
austere oar
Yeah I agree with that tbh, ISB is boring
prisma night
If monk didnt get trucked outside of isb and isb wasnt optimal to use at 100% uptime then it might be interesting again
Choices when to get that sick extra stagger but knowing you cant always have it
austere oar
Yeah but the problem is we dont mitigate dmg
That's where ISB comes in play
You can't make a partial AM gameplay like pally or warrior since monks dont mitigate at all
prisma night
Exactly
It requires an entire rework to get that sorta thing going with interesting choices
austere oar
Exactly yeah
prisma night
Oh i know the isb doesnt actually mitigate argument all too well
austere oar
But stagger is limiting options and is a core monk mechanic
prisma night
I mean wod had stagger play a lesser role
And guard and expel harm and dodge were bigger more active roles
Seems to have swapped. All about stagger. Little to nothing else
austere oar
Back when brms had chi
prisma night
Oh man those were the days
austere oar
I preferred the ancient mechanics too with guard and statue baseline
prisma night
I did really like the fp trait on legion though. Made tp feel like worth hitting since it was the hardest hitter with boc
That felt really nice. And bfa ruined boc
austere oar
Yeah, but that would be a discussion for another channel tbh haha
austere oar
Yay rage
ionic ridge
You guys ready to have your metal tested ?
austere oar
cant wait to try fetid
prisma night
Oh yeah
radiant musk
Hey guys! When m+ hits, does it remove the 1 week instance lock thing?
not the appropriate channel I know but I kind of like the user mindset here
manic oyster
regular mythics will still be only once a week but you can run as many M+s as you can find keystones
radiant musk
Ah ok thx! and keystones will be awarded for any regular m instance then? (but only one per character?)
amber siren
yeah any m0 or m+ completed grant s akey
vocal nimbus
And that key is valid for all the week
The item itself changes wether you clear or you fail the timer
harsh dagger
how is plunder beards flask for prot? im currently running blockades and fathoms and idk if it can compete
rolled 355 from wq
harsh dagger
cheers
vocal nimbus
offensively there is nothing for any other class better than fathoms
for prot warr without working sims ๐คท
i guess its still the best dps trinket
undone sun
technically beard is good defensively if you follow the give stat weights being str worse than haste
vocal nimbus
i still look with bad eyes at haste > str
undone sun
i haven't done the math so my opinion is invalid ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vocal nimbus
i mean, it may be better but it sounds really bad
sick sentinel
Str gives you bigger ip and some armor, haste gives you more rage for IP and better uptime on your cooldowns
merry cave
Yeah but crit gives parry, stack crit and win ๐
undone sun
sick sentinel
vocal nimbus
why you came back
sick sentinel
Because marok begged me
undone sun
lol
vocal nimbus
tru memehold still has :bruu:
sick sentinel
Memehold big gay
lunar sparrow
any pawn strings available? amr is very different than whats recommended here...
green isle
pawn strings are not good for tanks, follow stat priority in pins/guides
sick sentinel
Jacob why aren't you storm forged
sick sentinel
old dawn
everyone else as happy as I am with prot right now? Anything you guys think blizzard could improve?
fickle abyss
i think prot is really good the way it is rn
strong forum
Well, we gonna see what patch notes bring, but yes I'm happy aswell
austere oar
prot is good but could be better in terms of QoL
raven kernel
prot is criminally underrated
but that means we'll get free buffs
so w/e just sandbag
old dawn
rofl
Yo i'm for it
I'm comfortable playing an underrated but strong spec. either get buffs or slide under the nerf radar
strong forum
I don't want to get buffed or nerfed.
sick sentinel
same
strong forum
If we get buffed we might get fotm
sick sentinel
fotm
old dawn
I'd rather stay right where we are right now
sick sentinel
O_O
raven kernel
yah im happy with prot
strong forum
If we get nerfed we will be shit
sick sentinel
no want.
lunar sparrow
I dont know why you guys are so against pawn strings. when comparing two pieces at the same item level - its nice to have that added up for you. Like there is a stat priority... but when comparing a mast/vers piece vs a haste/crit piece.... pawn strings would help
old dawn
it's nice to be a strong enough spec to do everything without seeing warriors everywhere, that's for sure
old dawn
p r a w n
strong forum
Doesn't usually work for prot, only for dps
sick sentinel
and well personally, I've never needed to use it. ever.
I just big brain stat prios.
lunar sparrow
youre simming prot now?
old dawn
pawn is great for dps if you sim and get your stat weights relatively consistently.
sick sentinel
haste always max. (every slot/all slots), enchants, gems. vers/mast bring up together with a vers lean.
not hard to figure out.
amber siren
i dont think i said i was simming prot
undone sun
Would still need to sim after every piece anyways
raven kernel
you cant use pawn for prot without sims for weights and as tanks wtf weights do u sim for anyway
old dawn
as a tank there's not as much of a point unless you're trying to push dps ๐ค
sick sentinel
mhm ๐ค
old dawn
i don't think there's a way to sim for survivability, right?
amber siren
no
old dawn
so yea
sick sentinel
nope
raven kernel
you cant quantify the usefulness of stats into a numerical value for defensive purposes
old dawn
kinda pointless
we're currently still looking at being tanky more than looking at damage.
even then, haste will be better for us no matter what
for lowering the GCD.
raven kernel
shield block cd
old dawn
ye.
old dawn
yee
raven kernel
so more haste = higher sb uptime
old dawn
yeee
raven kernel
althought right now we cheat the uptime with bolster
old dawn
bolster 2 good
raven kernel
yeah we can go like... 45-50 secs of block uptime? with maybe minor gaps of 1-2s in between (negligible)
ask a dh to tank for that long
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old dawn
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